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The War of Ideas in the Middle East
I feel wickedly sorry for American citizens who are Isreal-firsters. I mean how pathetically dupable are these morons?
You can sell them anything so long as it's swaddled in the fuzzy cloak of the holocaust.
LongliveIsrael,
The systematic killing of Semitic Palestinians in the holy land by the convert Euro Jews/Isrealis, is the ULTIMATE act of anti-antisemitism.
Long Live Falastine!
David,
Today I posted what I personally gleaned from talking to people from the region about the issue. It is what they believe and want. They can accept Judaism, indeed they already do - but they outright reject everything to do with Zionism. They will fight it today and their children will fight it in their millions tomorrow.
Me, personally, I still think the Euro Jews should go back to Europe - and if they want to live in the holy lands and make positive contributions to the historic multi-cultures there, then they should, like everyone else on the planet, apply for a residency/citizenship. Ingratiating yourself into a society instead of invading it, will guarantee you friends. With many friends your trade increases. With increased trade, mutual securities are assured. With mutual securities assured, peace reigns.
Apologies if I occasionally seem a little out of sorts, but years of watching child after Palestinian child bleed to death from the same wound while the world watches idly, can sometimes bring out the frustrated and bitter in me.
My point to Mr. Moor is that federalism in the holy land can only work if Zionism is discarded out of the equation. Until this happens, federalism, 1SS and the 2SS will all fail. If the Jews insist on Zionism, which frankly they don't need, then there will be war after war after war till it is broken into bankruptcy, both financial and moral .
I can't see why Jews need Zionism, a political ideology, to remain or be recognized as Jews. Jews survived off the back of Judaism and not Zionism for two thousand years (as they themselves claim). So what's the big deal about dropping it? They won't lose anything except the turgid albatross flown in all the way from Europe.
Ahmed Moor,
I spent the last summer on the beaches of Beirut listening to many, many people there discussing the 'federalization' of the holy land. And yes, many were using the French/Belgian systems of governance as examples.
But more often than not, these discussions always ended with people throwing their hands up in the air in despair: it would never work!
Why?
Well the fundamental structure of Zionism does not include a single universal tenet. It is all about tribalism. It cannot be married to today's practice of democracy and rights of minorities - impossible! It is also specifically conceived to protect and promote only a single religion: Judaism (its shield and cover). There is no soulful love or sacred haven under Zionism for Christians, Moslems, Buddhists, Atheists, Hindus, Pagan, Satanists, etc., only a temporary one. The more land Zionism gains, the lower the levels of tolerance-of-the-other its society observes.
So long as the Israelis and other Jews of the world remain duped by Zionism and its exclusionary ideology, so long as they falsely equate it with the 'Judaism-of-the-holocaust' and not the ancient Judaism of the desert Bedouins - there will only ever be one solution: armed conflict till the end of time, or as most in the region perceive, till the end of Zionism.
Zionism must be weakened/degraded into the realms of absurdity, like the flat-earth society people, before any kind of successful federalization can occur. The Jews themselves have to soundly reject it before any kind of equitable peace can take hold and remain so.
In other words, Jews have to willingly give up Zionism if they want to live in peace in the middle east. And they should give it up - it's brought them nothing but misery, paranoia, delusion, dependency, death and the walls of hatred closing-in.
Turn and twist it whichever way you want, but fact is: war and peace in the middle east is about Zionism (land possession), not religion. Impossible therefore to make peace, under any kind of 'peace plan', with Zionism in the picture. People of the region will never allow it. But they will allow the Jews to live amongst them as equal citizens. All three Abrahamic religions can live together in relative peace, we know this from history. Despite extremist elements in all three religions, they can in fact co-exist as indeed they did before the arrival of imported Zionism.
Zionism 'pushed' people off their lands and homes. Zionism has no room for compromising with the 'other'. Therefore Zionism must be 'pushed' till the end. That's what the majority of the people of the region have determined is the solution.
Anything else in between will cost them more loss of land, not peace.
History has shown them this.
My money is on the majority-people getting what they want in the end.
Thanks Phil.
That was a cool trip.
Waiting for Chris Mathew et al to wake up from their hasbara stupor is like waiting for godot.
Your cross-referencing is deep, vast and impressive.
You've read all the great books that I' m too lazy to bother with.
Kudos again.
Hip hip hurray Shmuel!
You shiny shiny treasure!
mendacity [mɛnˈdæsɪtɪ]
1. the tendency to be untruthful
2. a falsehood
[from Late Latin mendācitās, from Latin mendāx untruthful]
Potsherd, you're too kind to him when you use the word 'mendacity'. Simon Wiesenthal is an out and out liar and worshiper of the golden calf.
Using F16's to murder children while they sleep is more diabolic and barbaric than moving gravestones or bones of the dead.
Don't even start on the 'who's worse than who' tangent - by far, the list of Israeli atrocities is already documented as being the longest and the most cruel!
Yorina:
Dismissing it, belittling it, doesn't make it go away.
Sad to see the grandchildren of holocaust survivors being the most ignorant people on the planet.
My above posting is directed at DAVID SAMEL.
You are trashing on justice, whining that re-confiscation of stolen land is cruel to the land-thief. Go figure!
You really need to understand that what you are suggesting, your solution, is a 'westernized/sanitized' proposition and one that IS NOT shared by the people of the region. They utterly reject this solution. They are the ones whose voices I am echoing. It is THEIR will that I repeat. They DO NOT WANT to LIVE with Zionism, and at the end of the day, their will indeed will be done.
Frankly, what you personally think, you sitting in the comfort of your nice existence, is inconsequential to the people of the middle east. They reject your detachment from their grievance. The pleasant ones would politely ask you to re-examine your view of their true catastrophe - the rude ones would tell you, eye to eye, to go F yourself for suggesting that the foreign murderers of their mothers and children should be allowed to live free amongst them. That would be like asking you to accept several million Al Qaida members to live in your region.
Whatever we may think over here, the people of the middle east see Israel as a nazi-esque state and they will fight every inch of it till the end.
If you have a problem with their thinking, if you think that they 'victimize' Israel to view it in this way, then you are truly naive. Though you mean well, and this should be acknowledged.
Bulls-eye, Mooser!
Thanks sammy for seeing it from EVERY SINGLE VICTIMIZED PALESTINIAN's point of view.
In any court of justice, you do not EVER reward the criminal OR HIS CHILDREN. It's simply ludicrous to suggest that land thieves and murderers of entire families should be allowed to keep any loot and down the line of time just pass it on to their children as if nothing had happened.
In our courts of justice, you indeed aim to fully redress the grievances of the victim to the last and fair penny.
Occupiers and their (tragic) children DO NOT get to vote on the terms and rules of the compensation to be awarded the victim. It's downright insanity to suggest that Israel/the criminal has the right to dictate and insist on 'preferential' treatment in any decent court of justice.
DAVID SAMEL:
Israel 'pushed' millions of Palestinians out. That was 'allowed'. Well then the same can be done right back to them, mate. What South Africa chose to do is suited for South Africa and not for the Palestinians - totally different sets of complexities with religion added to the Palestinian mix. In other words, what may work for South Africa, does not necessarily work for Palestine. Sad truth is that people of the region don't themselves believe that 'peace in the middle east' is possible with Israel's continuing existence. They don't forgive their atrocities lightly and will forever see them as European invaders, con artists falsely claiming ancestral lineage and a chunk of their Abrahamic real estate. They want Judaism in the middle east but they definitely don't want Zionism. They will fight it and fight and fight till it finally crumbles overspent on an endless chain of pin-prick wars. It happened to Rome, and many other powers since.
WITTY:
Everything changes.
I believe all European convert Jews should go back to Europe, all Arab Jews should be allowed to return to their Arab homelands, and all Palestinians (Christian, Moslem and Jewish ones) should get back the WHOLE of Palestine.
This is justice.
I don't believe in compromising with criminals and murderers of children - ever!
Happy new year chaos!
Happy new year everyone!
Happy new year Palestine!
Great pics - thanks for the link.
It's called 'Arab Zionism' in action.
Practiced most frequently by the governments of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - and the two-face Janus/ Fatah headed by Mahmoud Abbas.
Unless you deal the beast a single instant and fatal blow!
C'mon Mr. Mubarak - don't let sweet little Hedy go hungry in your own country!! C'mon give yourself some good (and cheap) public relations coup and let them peacemaker buggers in - sure you can give the nod - all you have to do is bounce your head up and down, but more down - that's right, just like that...
Nah - who am I kidding?!
That man would starve his own grandmother for 2bn dollars a year.
All I can say is I'm worried about the whole situation.
I can't stand the though of Hedy not eating.
Fatah is now synonymous with Mosad+CIA agents.
All now belong to the same team, all work for Israel's security apparatus, paid for by our taxes.
As boring as this may sound, but if a Hamas member was gunned down, then one or all of the above entities would highly likely have a hand in it.
The Chinese need Arab oil, not Israeli bullshit. For the Chinese, the issue of Israel is just doing the usual trading/business - not like here where our president has to always preempt his mideast statements with the customary:"Our friendship and commitment to Israel is unshakable blah blah blah..."
No sane rising world power would touch Israel, not even with a ten-foot pole.
Yes folks, we have a bunch of rouges running around the holy lands.
I love you and your family and your people, Khulood Ghanem.
I wish you peace and safety and assure you that you are not forgotten by some of us here in the USA. We may not be many, but we are growing in numbers all the time.
Hizbollah already told us how to destroy it: remove israel from the mideast equation and it self-destructs.
Otherwise, live with it.
They don't go to sites with photos.
Only sites with mind-fuck re-writes of history.
'Persuade' can mean soooo many things, chaos :-)
Yes and Apple too for promoting and re-publishing - c'mon microsoft ain't exactly the archangel Gabriel!
Apple PAYS these zionist culture-thugs to come up with their own Apple effing dictionary!
They PUBLISHED it!
They ENABLED it!
APPLE MANAGEMENT SHOULD FIRE THIS EDITOR IMMEDIATELY and redresses the disgusting racism by changing the word Arab to zionist!
:-)
I was about to buy an Apple laptop for xmas - FOR-FUCKING-GET IT!!
I wonder how the Shalit Family feels about the israeli supreme court's take on this.
Here's one 'overview' link:
link to fas.org
I also had another link to 'charities and special programs' but it's since been removed:
link to justforeignpolicy.org
The article was claiming $35 Billion per year is processed under the USA tax table through charities, religious & cultural programs - with statistics and charity names and organizations listed for verification.
It's a real maddening shame this vital page has been removed.
But as the saying goes: Everything turns back up, eventually.
The old testament is full of criminal acts committed by our supposed 'god'.
Why are we surprised then that it's adherents want to act in his/her image?!
The Lebs know how 'predictable' the zios are - pre-emptive strikes on civilian populations etc. They don't care if they go it alone or not. Just look at what Lebanon alone managed to do in 2006. Granted they took a mighty thrashing from the Israelis. But wow - that thrashing only improved their resolve and performance.
And you're right, Chaos. The next one coming, they won't be fighting alone against the zios.
I actually met people there who were rubbing their hands together in glad anticipation of the event - and they weren't religious zealots, they were bikini-clad ladies relaxing on the beach!
You're right on all points, Chaos.
Just look at what they've done to Blair post Iraq.
When exactly are we going to ask our politicians the same questions about Iraq that the Brits demanded of their leaders?!!
The next war is referred to as 'The Great Broom' in Lebanon:
It will sweep Palestine clean for once and for all.
And yes they do have their 'broom' ready.
They're just waiting for the right 'wind conditions'.
Yes Shmuel is a rare bird that fled the cage - for the right reasons.
Yes I hear Livni wants the Brits to change their rules and laws to cover up Israeli war crimes.
Mililband, the UK's FM has 'promised' to change this law to help Livni, who's known as a war criminal by the British people.
Truth is he wouldn't dare change this law - otherwise he knows he will dearly pay the price at the next election. The Brits are more savvy at mideast politics than us yankee doodles with blindfolds willfully on.
By 'us', do you mean the propagandists?
Cause it sure as hell sounds like it.
Arab birth rate is high and rising, my dear, in all sections of their society. Just google it for the stats.
Jewish birth rate is high ONLY in settler zealot Jewish communities, not amongst secular Jews.
Perhaps you're in denial of the Arab demographic bomb huh.
I forgive you your intended ignorance, but it doesn't serve your cause. It just makes you sound like an idiot who knows naught.
I beg to differ:
Arab Jews were not sent off to be gassed in specially built compounds in the mideast - like the convert-Jews of Europe had happen to them.
We can therefore safely say that Arab Jews co-existed in relative neighborly peace in the holy lands pre the zionist invasion.
Include also the Moslem protection of Jews in Spanish Europe as well as other places, and you have yourself a relative peace between these two half-brothers writ on the pages of history.
Look closer at Islam teachings and you find that it is forbidden to victimize the 'people of the book' by order of 'god' (whatever that means!)
The conflict was always about land and land-thieves. Yet so distorted, it has now become radicalized by the religions of both sides.
Perhaps you should see yourself more of a 'wondering' Jew, instead of the 'wandering' one. You may, small chance that is, find more facts before you.
Here in America we talk a lot about 1SS or 2SS.
Over there in the mideast, everyone talks about the AS - Armed Solution.
I wonder who knows best.
Sad sad sad but true true true.
(forgive the repetition but I wasn't allowed to post the simple 'sad but true' - too short I was told by the electronic monitor.)
Chaos,
Let's always remember that Obama-the-good is president in name only.
That his hair is more gray everyday because he realizes that being president is just another shop-front for the same bunch of gangsters who want to operate their business-as-usual without any funk or accountability.
Months ago, after Obama's Cairo speech, I stated that I wasn't sure if Rahm was actually working for Obama or Israel when he neglected to plan for the possibility of both Aipac and the Pharmaceuticals joining forces against Obama.
Considering the fact that most pharma bosses are zionists and Rahm would indeed have knowledge of this, I am now convinced that he is a double-agent working against the American people.
Lieberman is enabled by Rahm at every turn.
Otherwise, that croaking ventriloquist's dummy Lieberman would have zero air-time considering his betrayal of Obama/support for Mcain during the elections.
Folks, I ask you just to imagine what the headlines would be if Joe Lieberman's name was Joe Abu Mohammad - as he goes about Capitol Hill objecting to healthcare reform.
Anyone who even thinks that the deluded Peres means well is as pathetically deluded.
All that make-up that Peres wears WILL NEVER HIDE THE EVIL MONSTER LURKING BEHIND.
We DO NOT FORGET the assault on Qana, Lebanon that Peres ordered in 1986 - which killed 124 women and children standing in line to buy bread at the UN bakery - including two babies whose heads were severed.
Peres is a war criminal who should be arrested immediately!
People wake up to the facts: All Isreali leaders have the blood of innocents on their hands.
The fact that it's called 'Canada Park' immediately tells you it is a foreign entity.
Do we all live in Alice-in-Wonderland or what?!
America and Israel are an absurdity!!
The back-lash to all this hubris and criminal deception will be incalculable.
We're heading for WW3.
Thanks Aipac and Friends of Israel!
I'm sure you guys won't be around to help clean up your fucking mess after we Americans fall from grace and lose our super-powerhood, soldiers and dollars!
I see that the inconsequential Sarah has been studying some international geography.
Ah yes - Jesus is coming back to the holy lands with the help of that bint!
Hallafuckingluyah!
You're right Chaos.
Still, if she punches him hard in the nose and we see blood, she increases her chances for the presidency in 2016 :-)
I wish Hillary would just go ahead and punch Natanyahu right in the nose. You can tell that's what she really wants to do everytime she's in a room with him.
Israel has lost it's deterrence muscle and it's nukes are useless against the Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese - their geography is too close to let one them stinkers loose without effecting Israel proper.
The Syrians are certainly better conventionally armed than the '67 war. Rumors also continue to circulate regarding their chemical warfare capabilities.
The Hizb is already trained, experienced, willing and better armed than even back in 2006. They now also, crucially, have acquired anti-aircraft missiles that are capable of bringing down Israeli Drones, F15's and F16's. The time for Israeli domination of skies is already over - they will be challenged in the next round.
Hamas might not have much but heck now they're home-manufacturing rockets that Israelis themselves keep telling us are mucho dangerous!
These three peoples know that come the right time, all they have to do is point their firepower at Tel Aviv and south - this will find a substantial number of Israelis fleeing overseas to safety. In other words, 'room' will be created.
For sure they're ready and all they're doing is waiting for Israel to fire the first bullet.
Israel knows all this and knows that to fight now would be easier than fighting later when their enemies would even be stronger, more lethal.
There is actually no way out of war.
Peace will come after the war, not before it. The 2SS, the 1SS or the end of Israel will be determined by the outcome of this inevitable approaching war.
We know for sure that Obama's people would rather be working with Tzipi Livni.
Never mind she too is a war criminal eh - Lebanon '06 is still fresh as baked bread in our memories.
The zionists in their folly hadn't accounted all those years ago for the strength of Palestinian resistance both civic and militarily. They assumed by now they'd have moved!
Naaaaah! They're here to stay come hell or high water.
I'm telling you folks - the Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians aren't waiting for Washington or Tel Aviv to restore them their occupied lands.
They are now recovered enough from Israeli assaults to get it together themselves and in the case of the Palestinians, they will begin with unilaterally declaring their own state - just like Israel did in 1948.
Do I smell karma?
Capitol Hill is not a monument - it's a heap of trash that need recycling.
Why don't the Israelis built monuments for the thousands of Iraqi children they'd killed in 2003 by proxy?
Potsherd,
Syria has been quiet for years despite being attacked by Israel on several occasions - for tactical reasons.
Make of it what you will, Potsherd, but everyone around Israel is just arming up some more and waiting for the right 'environment'.
Potsherd,
The Palestinians aren't waiting on Mubarak for nothing!
They're waiting on the Iran/Syria/Lebanon defense pact to kick in - with the grand possibility of Turkey joining the signatories.
Aprisian,
You're right, the Arabs aren't united. But the Moslems are of the region are. Including the Turks.
I keep saying this: you have to visit the middle east itself to get a real feel of the fire and pulse of the situation. No point in just sitting around in the USA saying maybe peace this way or that. It ain't gonna happen.
All everyone is waiting for is for the first shot to be fired.
yorina,
Where will I go?... what on earth do you mean?...
"you’re a product of some sort of misadventure…". You mean my mum and dad were drunk when they conceived me so I was an accident, a 'misadventure'?... I'm sorry I just don't earnestly understand what you mean. ...
And I talk about ww3 because it's coming. And it's coming because of zionism NOT BECAUSE I SAY SO!
And no, i don't want ww3.
I would prefer it if the zionists colonials just packed up peacefully and went back to Odessa etc. etc. But will they? No chance. Then the thieves must be forced out.
I'm all for that.
Nolan,
It's about the Palestinians regaining governance of historic Palestine - not just a little home to live in. With euro colonialists still 'lurking' in the shadows of historic Palestine, there will most certainly be foul play committed against the Palestinians, as history can clearly show us. Simplified: The Palestinian majority have less than zero trust in ANYTHING zionist. They really do want them out out out!
"So, what you propose would punish a generation...."
Unless full justice is applied, you're still punishing the Palestinians - I'm sure you'll agree they've been more than punished in the name of 'protection of the Jews'.
Now, if the new generation of euro jews want to still live in the holy lands, then they should, like everyone else in the world, apply for a fucking visa or residency.
The one state solution is a sham, just like the two state solution.
Nothing short of returning the WHOLE of historic Palestine to it's Palestinian owners (Muslim, Jew and Christian), as well as reparations and safe return of other Arab Jews back to their motherlands - not forgetting of course, all Euro colonialist back to Euro land - nothing short of these three events can bring REAL JUSTICE.
This is what the people of the region want, if anyone would care to listen.
No one in the region is depending on the USA or the EU to stop Israel.
They will do it themselves in good time.
And they will win.
Why?
A few rained missiles on tel aviv and a few downed IDF F16's will empty out Israel from north to south and east to west.
The region is better armed now to fight the Israelis than ever before.
And if American comes to Israel's aid, then it's WW3.
And if WW3 arrives, then it's bye-bye Israel.
They haven't got a chance in hell of survival.
It's just a question of when.
Yorina,
Nobody uses the word 'Nazi' as much as the zionists.
Peres is a war criminal who ordered the Qana UN bakery Masacre in south Lebanon which killed 124 civilians, mostly mothers and children, as they stood in line to buy bread.
I wouldn't be so nice as to call him "a small man". I would call him a wicked and evil war criminal who should be sent to hell with no clothes or make-up on.
Peres is a despicable man who cares more about the make-up he wears daily than about real peace.
Why do we even care what this thinks - he belongs to the nineteenth century.
My suggestion for a new Palestinian National Anthem:
Oh, give me land,
Lots of land under starry skies above,
Don’t fucking fence me in,
Let me ride thru
The wide open country that I love,
Don’t fucking fence me in.
Let me be by myself
In the evening breeze,
Listen to the murmur
Of the OLIVE trees,
Send me off forever,
But I ask you please,
Don’t fucking fence me in.
Tralala lalala dududu tralala
DON’T FUCKING FENCE ME IN.
sorry folks I meant to post that song on another article post!
Oh, give me land,
Lots of land under starry skies above,
Don't fence me in,
Let me ride thru
The wide open country that I love,
Don't fence me in.
Let me be by myself
In the evening breeze,
Listen to the murmur
Of the cottonwood trees,
Send me off forever,
But I ask you please,
Don't fence me in.
Just turn me loose,
Let me straddle my old saddle
Underneath the western skies,
On my cay-use
Let me wander over yonder
Till I see the mountains rise.
I want to ride to the ridge
Where the West commences,
Gaze at the moon
Till I lose my senses;
Can't look at hobbles
And I can't stand fences,
Don't fence me in.
Tralala lalala dududu tralala
DON'T FUCKING FENCE ME IN.
Why if my 'neighbors' kept throwing all their trash on my property, I'd surely have to kick the b-moses out of them!
Chaos dude you're fast on the trigger tonight hah :-)
The "...five media giants...",
Are affectionately known as the 'Big Five' in D.C. lingo.
You're asking for the impossible, Phil.
Like asking Chris 'caffeine' Mathews to critique coffee.
My favorite myth is the one where this cult of people claim to be the 'Chosen Ones'.
Actually the myth of Masada was debunked soon as they dug up some pig bones.
link to archaeology.org
Here's another fun Masada link:
link to jaygary.com
But really, the only interesting thing about it all is whether the feeble Israeli psyche is so entrenched in the fantastical Masada myth that they would now be willing to commit mass-suicide in real-time in order to avoid submission to a greater force - in today's case this would be the Palestinian demographic.
Ahhhhhhh sweet soft silk of martydom.
When Zionists complain about Lebanon,
This indeed is a good thing.
Means Lebanon is doing something right and good about the colonial thugs.
Or call it 'The Holy Lands' - the Democratic Republic of the Holy Lands.
No one objects to the name: Holy Lands.
The only difference between White South Africans and Israelis is that Israelis have a suicidal tendency due to their belief in the myth of Masada.
White South Africans were not drunk on religion and therefore were more likely to compromise.
Israelis want to die while drunk on religion and take as many innocents down with them as they possibly can.
We're trying to stop them from doing just that and failing.
Yes, we have entered a new era regarding the 2SS.
Cracked open by the Lebanon '06 war. Blasted into being by the assault on Gaza in '06.
And now, two years down the line of time and it's clear to discerning minds that the end of the rule of Zionism in the middle east is surely upon us.
But not without the bloodbath that is surely coming along with it.
It's gonna get real ugly before the roses are back.
BONDAGE!
bondage [ˈbɒndɪdʒ]
n
1. slavery or serfdom; servitude.
2. (Historical Terms) Also called villeinage (in medieval Europe) the condition and status of unfree peasants who provided labour and other services for their lord in return for holdings of land.
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Aawg for fuck's sakes how many times does Obama have to say over and over and over again: "America's bonds with our Israeli ally are unbreakable". ?!! (Note the use of the plural)
How embarrassing robotic of him.
Or are the Israelis so fucking insecure about us even though we've literally given them the shirts off our backs, our soldiers in Iraq twice, billions and more trillions etc. etc. - that they need their (bloody) hand held 24/7?
In other words, is Obama babying the Israelis? Or is he a simpleton telling everyone the same story everywhere he goes?....."America's BONDS with our Israeli blah blah blah....
Oh but it's much uglier than just a simple 'national suicide'.
It's been a self-decapitation in slow-mo.
I can't personally underestimate the connection and loyalties the African American community feels towards Obama.
Radical African Americans may agree with you, but I think the majority (who are not radical) fully support Obama. Of course should any harm either politically or physically come to Obama through Aipac, methinks the 'average' African American would indeed become radicalized AGAINST American Jews.
This is a scenario I easily foresee happening.
Hey I'm feeling pooped by Obama's 'method' too - but I hold back just slightly due to the fact the battle between Natanyahu and Obama is so very full on behind closed doors at the moment, despite how the MSM's attempt to state otherwise.
p.s. sorry chaos, but I have to go out for a few hours now and won't be able to respond to you in real time - but i'll be back to this thread later. Have a good one in the meantime.
Au contraire, chaos, my friend, Obama is clever and wise but his hands are cuffed with the star of David and he knows it and he is super duper peeved.
Always remember that he is dealing with truly the worst kind of zionist - far more wretched than Mr. Witty could ever dream of being.
In Obama's corner, the African American community watch how the Jewish community are treating him and they are appalled and becoming more and more distrustful of them.
I get the sense that Obama is about to take his gloves off, having given Natanyahu enough rope since the Cairo Speech.
I also get the sense that Natanyahu is about to duck Obama's punch with the help of some of his fan club who also happen to work for Obama.
Really, if Obama misses his upper-cut on Natanyahu's jaw this time round, people will start to really think that Obama intends to treat the Palestinians even worse than George W Bush ever did.
Surely you mean 'Pirates of Khazar' not 'Pirates of the Mediterranean' :-)
Here's another 'scoop' for you folks:
The ship that was earlier this week intercepted by Israel in International waters, apparently had "tons" of Iranian ammunition heading towards Hizbollah bases.
The thing is, everyone in Lebanon (where I still am) is laughing their head off at such an Israeli "low-budget movie".
Why the national cackle?
Because the Hizb already controls Beirut airport. They don't need to 'smuggle' anything into the country from Iran or Shmiran.
Geddit?!
There hasn't been a single goddamn scoop in this country since the birth of the internet!
Chaos,
Part of the boycott/divest Israel campaign is to also boycott all MSM opinion makers (drip-fed by the zios) and make your objections known to them if possible.
Rachael and Keith are a big part of the MSM and both are enablers of zionist hate propaganda against Palestinians/Arabs/Moslems.
These people have nothing of value to say regarding P/I conflict.
Eff 'em!
R.I.P. young people of Fort Hood.
The inevitable aftermath of this extreme folly:
The rise of China.
Citizen,
Israel no doubt is preparing for a 2010 war. And so are it's neighbors, as well as Iran.
No doubt Israel is looking for an opportunity to deal the first blow, to provoke a skirmish or start a mini war in the name of the usual 'existential threat', as per it's usual pattern of behavior ie provoke, battle, conquer but just a little then stop the war, hold on the occupied new bit of land and immediately start stoking the fires of the next 'skirmish' - time after time we've seen this.
Except this time round will be different. This time round, Israel will start something it can't actually finish by itself or STOP. Why? For the following reasons/new realities:
1- There are today more fires either burning or about to blaze in more hot-spots in the greater mideast than in known memory. There are also more conventional weapons there than ever before - more weapons of mass-destruction, be they nuclear or chemical.
2- There are secret regional defense/security pacts established between Israel's neighbors against it, both direct and afar, that haven't existed before. In other words, the wider region is politically and militarily solid against Israel unlike yesteryears.
3- American influence is at it's low in the region, ie: no one cares what Washington says around there anymore. No one is waiting on either Israel or Obama to deliver them justice. No influence = No power or control over events.
4- Last but certainly not least, Jerusalem for the first time in living memory, looks to be undergoing a rapid and extreme zionist makeover - an overt ethnic cleansing before the appalled eyes of the world. A most emotive issue that the leaders of some 1.3 billion Moslems are already instructing their members in the four corners of the earth, to be ready to come forth and sacrifice their own bodies to liberate holy Jerusalem from the evils of zionism.
Citizen, the next war will be different because NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL the region's multi-sided fires that will undoubtedly merge into one big effing bang.
Because the internet now exists, unlike in the days of USS Liberty, any Israeli foul-play against us Americans will easily become known despite the MSM's collusion and misinformation, despite our politicians and their perpetual crimes of aiding and abetting.
Any fuckedup Israeli maneuver against our armed forces will DEFINITELY become known and would immediately unleash the most horrid, numerous waves of violence against all Jews in America.
With Israel on fire, America unsafe for Jews, Europe still Judaphobic (according to zionists that is) - where the hell would the Jews go to next?
Would they then collectively realize the folly and suicidal tendencies embedded in the very ideologies of Zionism?
Would they take responsibility for the catastrophe created by their own hands?
Or would even then still insist on being the world's victim?
Em, Blue Pear,
Israel has clearly lost its deterrent power during Lebanon '06 war - Hizbollah made sure of this.
Israel's nukes cannot be used on it's immediate neighbors for obvious reasons so these hard-weapons are inconsequential. Moreover, Israel's enemies now have bigger-badder and more guns than ever before - their smaller weapons still kill.
Israel today is not the same as the old pioneering Israel of yesteryear - it is now full of over-indulged, lazy and a fear-drunk citizens. Let us remember how the Hizbollah's poxy rockets EMPTIED OUT HALF of Israel during the '06 war.
No I'm sorry you're completely wrong. Israel is in a corner with two choices:
Make real peace - which means giving up being nasty zionists and instead becoming nice Jews.
Or,
Gamble their WHOLE nation in WW3.
The Palestinian Mandella is Marwan Barghouti.
Beloved and respected by all sides of his struggling nation.
And like Mandella, Marwan sits in his Israeli prison cell, unjustly paying for someone else' dues.
In fact, if you look around the Arab world, you will not find a single young and talented would-be leader.... except amongst the Palestinians who seem to be giving birth and rearing some of the brightest future leaders the Arab world will know this millennium.
We're not talking militant Hamas or corrupt Fatah here - we're talking a bright and progressive breed of Palestinian.
What Natanyahoo the Zionist will bring is his fist to shove-up the ass-crack of the world.
And the world will like it?
Hello Israeli own-goal!
Except the Israelis are gonna now kill the referee, reject the draw score, and refuse to ever play again.
That's where WW3 comes into the picture to settle the championship.
Are you waving or drowning, Mooser?
nomi998,
Freakoid hasbara-robot on steroids or wot!
I just thank god I don't know what your actual voice sounds like the way you go on and on and on and on. I mean if were so wretched as to be married to you, why I'd be jumping off a bridge for freedom at first opportunity.
If I survived that, I'd have to take a hammer to my own ears - or to the source of my disturbance.
I applaud you for unwittingly evoking the longed for UNITED STATES OF ARABS.
A very desirable dream for most Arab people (though not their leaders as they'll all lose in fair elections).
A successful, prosperous and democratic USA (United States of Arabs) would easily swallow-up that plucked-up little country called Israel in its midst.
THEN we can have the REAL one state solution in the middle east.