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The War of Ideas in the Middle East
Here:
"George Tenet Screamed About Jews In Saudi Prince's Pool: Book"
CIA director George Tenet, drunk on scotch at Saudi Prince Bandar's pool, rants about Bush administration "Jews" who are "setting me up" to take the fall for the false WMD claims:
link to huffingtonpost.com
I think it's time for Oleg and Fredblog to be given the boot. They have shown their limits and it's unfair to other ziobots who may be waiting impatiently to have a go and trying their hand.
Norman Finkelstein:
"See the little monster,/See the brave Israeli soldier chase the little monster,/See the Nazi anti-Semite assault the brave Israeli soldier"
link to normanfinkelstein.com
So many flags= Ultra nationalism= Fascism.
And thank you, Sahar. You're an admirable person. Much love and appreciation.
The reason I'm sure ykohen is Yishai is because of this very quote he keeps bringing up in every discussion. Have seen it 100 times. That can't be a coincidence. Another point. He may be well aware of a moderation policy on this site which may push him to soften his edges a little trying to make his way through. But it doesn't take long for his true colours to show regardless.
PS. He also adopts a dozen of monikers that can barely camouflage the character behind them.
I wish I could retrieve some of his comments and make a pot pourri of the most "eloquent" ones. I have archived most of his production over a period of 2 years but when I changed my template and comments section provider forgetting to make a backup, all was lost.
"The Philistines are cockroaches that we're keeping in a bottle" is just one sample.
"eretz israel."
But where is this frigging eretz Israel he keeps talking of? Where does he (Oleg) draw the lines and borders, I asked him but he didn't respond! Do Jews have the right to settle in Lebanon, Jordan an Syria? Since they too seem to be part of this bat-shit crazy mythical eretz israel as featured in the Wiki article!
"Any normal person reading that Charter and the “Article 24″ link you just provided would understand that it means exactly the opposite of what you just wrote."
Ritzl
Yishai Kohen perfectly knows and understands that. We have put it to him thousand times but who cares? He just thinks it's a good trick worth giving a try on a site where he's never been before thinking that he's dealing with amateurs. There will be more of this trick , selectively and out of context, quoting Palestinian characters/leaders/spokespersons "proving" that there's no such a thing as Palestine and Palestinians. Expect that any time he'll be back. And he will be soon.
According to the maps in Wiki, Eretz Israel also includes Lebanon in one and Syria and Lebanon in another. Do you think they have the right to settle there too? Answer please.
link to en.wikipedia.org
"Do Jews have the right to settle in Eretz Israel or don’t they ?"
There's no legal entity called Eretz Israel. It a biblical name, Eretz Yisrael, but if you think otherwise please tell us why should Jews be allowed to settle outside what the international community recognises as Israel. Personally I don't think they have the right to settle illegally anywhere for that matter.
He used to comment on my blog and the Palestinian Pundit as well. He was banned from both for using some of the vilest and meanest comments EVER seen anywhere on the web. He used to boast about serving on a checkpoint and submitting Palestinians to abuse and humiliation.
I'm not sure if VR is still around but he's very familiar with this nasty character as well.
BTW, we should also expect him to deny he's Yishai. Typical of him.
Ykohen is Yishai Kohen, a well known (to all those who used to comment on the Angry Arab blog when a comment section was available ) is a far right settler and disciple of Meir Kahane and Rabbi Kook. Expect hasbara on crack and if it isn't for a moderation policy over here he'd be calling for "Arabs" to be gassed.
You want to feel the hate? Have a look how settlers and their supporters have overwhelmed the comments section on this video documenting yesterday's shooting of a Palestinian villager in the head by a settler thug! Whadyya know? Settlers are the poor victims only defending themselves against barbaric stone throwers who set fire themselves to their own fields!
link to youtube.com
"The NYR is read in Paris on the left bank,"
Exactly! It's via the NYRB that I discovered David Levine's caricatured portraits (there was almost one in every page) of which I fell in love while a debuting illustrator. In many ways it has determined the course of my work over a decade period.
"We’re still losing"
Nope! Maybe still not winning but certainly not losing.
I heard Apartheid South Africa had great surgeons! Some magnificent hotels too! Oh, and their Rugby team was the best in the world! Also, some of their women were most beautiful too, I should know I met one..
Sh*t for brains!
"I enjoyed your role as devil’s advocate, Phil."
I can't be sure it was his intention. But I could be wrong.
The comment above has this quote (by Asherpat) missing without which it doesn't make sense:
"And the Palsetinian Aythority in the West Bank demolishes many more structures for illegal buidling than Israel does"
So...
Where did you pull this out from? Links please!
Where did you pull this out from? Links please!
"We are way beyond occupation. I think we are also way beyond apartheid. There are two words that capture the political reality but don't have any legal substance today. One of them is Judaisation. It's a word that the government uses, to Judaise Jerusalem, the Galilee, so that's a Judaisation process that really is the heart of what's going on. But it has no legal reference. So one of our project, we're working with Michael Sfard and some other lawyers, is to try to introduce those terms into the discourse with the idea of trying to give them some legal frame.
We have to try to match the political process, the political reality, because it is unprecedented in the world. Another term is "warehousing" because I think that captures what's going on better than apartheid. Warehousing is permanent. Apartheid recognises that there is another side. With warehousing it's like prisons. There is no other side. There is us, and then there are these people that we control, they have no rights, they have no identity, they're inmates. It's not political, it's permanent, static. Apartheid you can resist. The whole brilliance of warehousing is that you can't resist because you're a prisoner. It's like prisons. Prisoners can rise in the prison yards but prison guards have all the rights in the world to put them down. That's what Israel has come to."
link to aljazeera.com
"Israel is nothing like apartheid South Africa." Says giladg.
'We've gone way beyond Apartheid', says Jeff Halper.
link to aljazeera.com
(the name Jacob in fact derives from the Hebrew word for heel).
Why! Of course! And it's the Arabic "Ka'ab" for heel ! I never thought of it that way. Thanks Shmuel. :)
(the wine obviously helped)
I, too, wondered, a little, why this Shmully character was serving Phil one glass after the other. The manoeuvre in retrospect looks like an obvious one.. BTW, everything about this Shmully made my stomach feel queasy to the point of almost throwing up! The West Bank belongs to us, Abraham "bought Hebron", didn't you read the Bible?
For a fraction of a second, I wondered if he was serious.
“smkh”
Well since the transliteration mentioned above is "smach" (not "smack"), it lead me to believe there's similarity but with a kh, true, it's a different story. The example I had in mind is "chai" (alive), "hai" in Arabic. But thanks for the correction.
“smoch alai”
Not strangely, 'smoch alai' sounds like the Arabic 'smah li', allow me, permit me, pardon me. Same roots for both words 'smh' and "li", literally "to me".
"Am I a Nazi?"
Defending the occupation may not necessarily make you one but it certainly doesn't prove you're not one either.
"perhaps TERRY was being ironic,"
I bet he is. Too dumb for words if he isn't. I mean..that would be like the guy who used to comment here, forgot his handle. "why do you always attack Israel? Come and see how beautiful the beaches are! And Israeli women! They're beautiful, you'd like them!".
That kind of thing..
"Belgian slippers in pale pink"
Sorry for being trivial but never saw them in that shade. Are you sure they're Belgian slippers (a brand, not a national shoe)?
"The politically correct depiction of the colonialist as a racist and covetous brute must give space to the majority of well-meaning administrators that helped build roads, schools, and hospitals for the natives."
Admitting this is "true", Israel isn't even good at that because it's destroying the natives' roads, schools and hospitals on every occasion..
On a couple of occasions where I had to deal with right-wing and far right Israelis on fora they said to me something to the effect of "You keep talking about colonialism in such bad terms, what's so bad about it?". I couldn't believe my eyes!
Tony Greenstein:
The Tragedy of Norman Finkelstein – Time to Say Goodbye
link to azvsas.blogspot.in
"As Finkelstein says, ‘I’m 58 years old, I gave my life to the cause and I’m not going to be anyone’s fool. I’ve lost patience with it.’ It is a fact that people, even Norman Finkelstein, can get burnt out and become lost to the movement. Norman Finkelstein’s present position is that of a historical curiosity, a relic of past battles. His books relevant for what Finkelstein used to believe in rather than what we currently preaches. Norman Finkelstein today is a performing bear, dancing to imperialism’s melodies whilst the older lyrics remain unsung."
A critique of Norman's interview in Zcommunications by Chris Green:
"I am a great admirer of Finkelstein's intellect but his imperious manner in his debate with Barat seems to cloud the effectiveness of his arguments. This, possibly, is why Finkelstein apparently requested that Barat remove the video of the interview from Barat's website. Apparently Finkelstein recognized that the interview was ineffective."
link to zcommunications.org
"Because both have nowhere to go."
Why? Did you lose your American passport?
Israelis celebrate the death of 10 Palestinian Kindergarten children in a bus/truck collision :
link to english.al-akhbar.com
David Samel nails it.
Everything that is wrong with Zionism, Israel, and mythology is demonstrated here. I became an atheist for far far less than that!
More than Islamophobia. This is barbarism. The dome is over 1300 years old. An attack on it is an attack on humanity's cultural heritage similar to the Taliban blowing up Buddha's statues in Afghanistan. Israelis and Talibans "kif kif bourricot"( pardon my French)..
"The Arab world in the 20′s resented Jewish immigration for fears of colonialism, but also because the Jewish women were young and immodestly dressed."
I'm still wondering how this gem escaped everyone's attention. The Arab world feared that Jewish women were young and immodestly dressed?!!!
Are you sure you're right in the head, Witty? If this is not a mirror image of what geniuses like Bush and his cronies advanced as reasons for 9/11 attacks, what is? That the terrorists hated "us" for our freedom and that they resented the loose morals of Western women wearing miniskirts and such!
You really don't have a clue my friend. You're moronic in the most strict of terms. I mean it.
"I can understand you and Jesse and Phil saying that Palestinian welfare is more important than Jewish welfare."
They didn't say that and you KNOW it! But you couldn't prevent yourself from being intellectually dishonest and corrupt, could you?
Unbelievable!
"do you think there is an opportunity to repair the friendship charon?"
I lost 3 friends due to my criticism of Israel and support for the Palestinians. I repaired one friendship but not completely the other two. It hasn't been the same ever since the dispute. They would talk to me occasionally but never invite me to dinner as it was regularly the case before. I'm, somehow, "tainted".
Charon and all. Let me bring to your attention the fact that the alleged support of MLK junior to Israel (that "famous" letter) is a hoax, a fabrication:
"Israel’s apologists and the Martin Luther King Jr. hoax "
link to electronicintifada.net
Even the Zionist mouthpiece CAMERA admits the fact and warns about it:
CAMERA ALERT: Letter by Martin Luther King a Hoax
link to camera.org
“inferior lebanese baklava”
Based on how many tries, tasted in how many different places? Tripolitan Baklava is famous in the whole region, prepared the same traditional way as in Damascus, usually home to the best.
"Editor Gabriella Gershenson is Jewish. I’m afraid this fact tilts the scales towards “intentional.”"
Of course. Personally, I didn't bother to check because something was telling me it was. It fits in a pattern..
"What a stupid comment. Like Jews can’t be as stupid and lazy as non-Jews."
Yawn..
Jonah cannot, and should not, be taken seriously. Here is someone who asserted on many occasions that the Palestinians started calling themselves as such in the 60s, a meme widely spread among far right Israelis. And I'm highlighting only one of his valuable judgments.
"If anyone needed any further proof of the irrelevance of the american liberal class, look no further than this essay"
If only it was a matter of irrelevance. It's much much worse!
Chris Hedges on Death of the Liberal Class: Ouch!
link to youtube.com
"People like you are the most despicable arm-chair warriors on this planet. You want to attack Iran? Here’s a gun and a parachute. We’ll let them know you are coming."
Reasonable words considering the outrageous gist of this piece. Well said.
"You really have to appreciate the level of arrogance eee showed with his partial quote of richb’s statement. "
Exactly, Donald! Made me feel like puking! Such a shockingly morally corrupt person should be moderated/banned from this site forever.
eee's knee-jerk reaction has always, ALWAYS been along the lines of "why going after Israel? Why not going after the US?" It's so predictable now that there's no more need to read his comments to know the gist of it. And since he's basically addressing Americans, in his pathetic mind, he's guaranteed, he thinks, of getting them to shut up and mind "their own business" and let the genocidal enterprise in Palestine continue unabated.
It's really very easy to figure you out eee.
"(Abraham lived about the year 1950 b.c."
Are you telling us that you believe that Abraham myth, Wondering Jew? That you didn't know that the origin of this myth (Abraham and Sarah) goes back to India's Brahma and Sarawasati?
Gee!
Alex and Phil
This photo of Mustafa after he was shot in the face would have perfectly complemented the illustration of this odious act:
link to 972mag.com
link to 972mag.com
In 1948, Ben Gurion, a man who wasn't known for lacking percpicacity, , said something which showed how, in the end, short sighted was he, and the Zionists at large were all together. He said, "Their children will forget". That was one big mistake.
All of Israel is occupied Palestine. 60 years plus aren't going to make us forget what is what. Neither we nor our children will forget. You, Zionists, can factor that in your calculations whichever way you want. It's also history that is going to teach the Zionists a Geography lesson.
"they cannot literally afford to vote against the AIPAC agenda–campaign financing is an on-going thing and our financing system is the root problem. Zionist money talks, and those senators walk."
Citizen, with all due respect this doesn't seem to be the only problem. Only to a certain extent. As this French documentary, "La puissance du lobby pro-israélien aux USA" (The Power of the pro-Israel Lobby in the US)" explains it goes beyond the money to something more evident. As Tony Judt explains, (min.29:00) Any Senator/Congressman whose vote runs against what's perceived to be in Israel's interest would find himself in the future in a position where nothing he proposes, even when it has nothing to do with the I/P issue, something in the interest of his own constituency, own district, would find himself completely isolated and his propositions would not pass. Link here:
link to video.google.com
Although the documentary is in French, all the Interviews are conducted in English and among the interviewees are Steven Walt, John Mearsheimer, Tony Judt and many others..
Combined Tactical Systems Co. manufacturer . An Israeli company located in Jamestown, PA. Photo as evidence. Israeli flag flying.
link to mondoweiss.net
"I dunno American, I mean I could be wrong, but I think teta was being sarcastic."
Exactly how I read it.
"Golda was scary."
I always used to mistake her for Lyndon B. Johnson.
Time to bring back a more integer character, Chas Freeman.
"You are antisemitic assholes."
Haha..When everything else fails...
"proudzionist777"
What kind of person who picks such a sick name? Ah, yeah, a Zionist!
Canada too, cuts funding for UNESCO
link to ynetnews.com
Canada is joining the US in cutting off funding for the UN cultural agency UNESCO because it approved a Palestinian bid for full membership. Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird said Tuesday the decision is not in the best interests of peace in the Middle East, so Canada
is freezing all future voluntary contributions to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization.
Canada contributes about $10 million a year to the agency. The United States has also announced it will pull its $60 million in funding from UNESCO, which depends heavily on American funding. The UNESCO vote represented a fallback plan for the Palestinian leadership after its bid for UN recognition as a state and full membership in the global body foundered in September. (AP)
Vogue put a note emphasising that the clothes, 'throughout' are her own...
Kudos to Tilda.
Sorry for being off topic but this is interesting: Scottish actress Tilda Swinton is wearing a Palestine scarf in Vogue (Nov 2011)
link to angryarabscommentsection.blogspot.com
Walid did you listen to Azmi Bishara on the question of Islamist movements' participation in governments? Or more accurately, the future of political Islam? He doesn't seem to see all the negatives you're mentioning here. A must watch. Too many valid points. (In Arabic, of course, and a rather long lecture)
link to youtube.com
"I don’t think you have Asbergers." R.W
I don't think either, Richard, but not so sure about Asperger's though. ;)
"molohaje"
I'm sure you meant molokhiyah, Phil, but the 'haj' in it makes it more local color, I concede. :)
A surprise to hear that knowing that in the media it's generally referred to Israel as «L'État juif» (the Jewish state), especially on national TV. For Sarkozy to challenge this "accepted" (because massively enforced) notion is extraordinary.
Exactly Jeffrey. Although I do not exclude the possibility they do exist in some few hotels or palaces but certainly not mainstream enough to have created a reference in Lebanese pop culture. And to be accurate, I've never seen one in Lebanon myself! This Werdine fish is starting to seriously stink..
"Again, thanks for the reply. And, best regards,
Robert Werdine"
As of following recommendations by hasbara masterminds to be "respectful" and "considerate" online while disseminating toxic material, something your average, regular, honest commenter wouldn't bother as much (not as much!) to be..
“they walk into a revolving door behind you and come out ahead!”
Well crafted..TOO well crafted I'd say!