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Thanks David. I'm loving this "obsession" of yours exposing this unethical, unprincipled personage and I suggest that it becomes a feature on Mondo like M. Ellis's 'The Exile and the prophetic'. I'm sure there's enough materiel to keep them coming. The guy seems to be inexhaustible on the BS front.
Did this unprincipled man himself, Alan Dershowitz, call for a boycott of or even criticise China and Zimbabwe outside the frame of defence of Israel? Is he on record doing such thing? I would like to know.
"whose became well known"
Who became..
The idea that any journalist from Gaza or working in Gaza is automatically affiliated to Hamas is grotesque to say the least. Not all Gazans are Hamas members and if you consider the case of the Gazan journalist Mohammed Omar (whose became well known after he's been subjected to torture/beatings at the hands of Israel) is not affiliated to Hamas or any other militant group in any shape or form.
Excellent, thank you, RomanH.
Great comment, justicewillprevail. Very funny.
BTW, where's mooser?!!
Miriam
10 foot long comment jam-packed with prove nothing links is DESPERATION.
"Hawkings was one man who should not have been brought into the fray."
To say he was "brought" is an insult to the man. He took a decision after pondering the facts. And btw, it's not the first time, though verbally only in the past:
"Hawking has visited Israel four times in the past. Most recently, in 2006, he delivered public lectures at Israeli and Palestinian universities as the guest of the British embassy in Tel Aviv. At the time, he said he was "looking forward to coming out to Israel and the Palestinian territories and excited about meeting both Israeli and Palestinian scientists".
Since then, his attitude to Israel appears to have hardened. In 2009, Hawking denounced Israel's three-week attack on Gaza, telling Riz Khan on Al-Jazeera that Israel's response to rocket fire from Gaza was "plain out of proportion … The situation is like that of South Africa before 1990 and cannot continue."
From the Guardian article
Dershowitz. One of the most unprincipled men the world has ever seen. The mind boggles.
"Even the Saudi and Qatar backed militias inside Syria will begin wondering if entering into an alliance with Israel is such a good idea."
ToivoS
They're not thinking of "entering" an alliance because they are in one already and for quite sometime.
"there is something surreal about the arabic ‘god is great’ chant in response to the IDF strike on the Mount Qassioun complex."
Biorabbi
The chant AllahouAkbar is not always meant as cheering or praising, it's an invocation that can also be used when one is facing or witnessing something terrible happening. In this video the rebels are doing the same while the scuds of the (official) Syrian army are pounding a rebel position. Obviously not a reason to cheer.
link to youtube.com
Edit:
I can see now that Inanna beat me to it.
giladg
Believe it or not, I don't believe for a single brief moment that you have the slightest concern about any Arab life, alive or dead, killed or by accident. This is one of your tactics to downplay the importance of what's going on the Israeli front in terms of abuses of human rights and other crimes against humanity by pointing out to other directions like Syria. You're not fooling anyone but yourself.
ISRAEL ATTEMPTS TO PROVOKE REGIONAL WAR
"It’s clear that Israel’s strategy is to use the Syrian Civil War to deliberately provoke Hezbollah. The provocation is designed to goad Hezbollah into retaliation for over-flying Lebanon while on their way to apparently destroy weapons that the Israelis say are bound for Hezbollah.
The strategy has worked before. In 2006 the Israelis flew low level high speed jet sorties over Lebanon. Hezbollah responded by launching rockets into Israel. The situation then quickly escalated when the Israelis prepared reconnaissance patrols into south Lebanon. This resulted in an Israeli patrol unit being attacked close to the Lebanese border when three Israelis were killed and two others taken either dead or mortally wounded. The result was a war that the Israelis hoped would put an end to Hezbollah once and for all. However, Hezbollah turned out to be far more tenacious than the Israelis imagined and the war ended when the US under Bush and Condoleezza Rice were no longer able to support Israeli aggression due to international pressure to stop the war as hundreds of Lebanese civilians were being killed. 44 Israeli civilians were killed and 121 Israeli military personnel died. While many Lebanese civilians lost their lives and there was horrendous damage done to Lebanon’s infrastructure, Israel, considering its war aims were to destroy Hezbollah and occupy south Lebanon up to the Litani River, suffered a humiliating defeat. Now the Israelis are trying a different tack except this time their war aims are far grander and they hope to include the US."
link to lataan.blogspot.com.au
And have a look at his posts on his FB page. Sorry but I'll have to reserve my appreciation and admiration to a more worthy characters.
"rightwing Israel National News"
Actually, Arutz Sheva (Israel National News) mouth piece of the settler movement, is far-right. In any other country except Israel it would be branded far-right.
"with it’s elitist"
"shrug off it’s left-wing"
"at it’s political constituency"
I'm sure you meant "its", miriam. Not wanting to be a grammar police but it's (correct use here) becoming an epidemic and it's (correct again) frankly irritating.
OTH..."Great Neck Synagogue Cancels Speech by Pamela Geller"
The Great Neck Synagogue has cancelled a planned talk Sunday by activist Pamela Geller, Geller announced Wednesday.
"Due to relentless intimidation, bullying and threats, the Great Neck Synagogue is cancelling my talk," said Geller to Patch. "It is a very sad day for freedom-loving peoples when fascist tactics trump free speech."
A coordinated campaign by prominent officials to cancel Geller's appearence has been underway since last month.
link to greatneck.patch.com
Miriam, I'm sure you've noticed, Taxi, is of the old school of 'Hey, nothing to see here, look over there'. In every comment she wants us to turn a blind eye to her folk's crimes and start gazing at some other crime somewhere else. I wonder why (not really).
'La hayata liman tunadi' as the Arabic expression goes. There's no life in those you are calling on, Samer.
BTW, OlegR! What kind of mischief did you commit that made you leave Russia for Israel in a hurry? Pray tell.
" Our side sometimes even gets to hang your side’s leaders if they misbehave enough …And yes it’s democracy."
If taunts and provocations of such a despicable nature are allowed on this site then I have something to say to this degenerate called Oleg (and his "side") that can cross the borderline as well. How long Jewish Nazis like him are going to be tolerated?
"No, I want to say that we’re a moral people, as concerned about the Palestinian people as anybody else."
Delicious Golda, no? The woman (shudder) who said that there's no such a thing called Palestinian people should have made up her mind. Do they or don't they exist?
"but many such arabs would refuse to live in a Palestinian state,"
HUH?!!
What they refuse is to leave* their historical homeland no matter what name you give it. Big difference. Why is this hard to understand?
"Ah, well, in that case, you are as responsible for Palestinian suicide bombing as the guy who actually blows himself up."
Suicide bombers are (by definition) all dead and there are no more and haven't been for a good while. The degenerate settlers are wreaking havoc all over the occupied territories, uncountable and free.
Nice try, though.
"Israel’s great challenge: gun-hating, gay-backing, grass-smoking young Americans"
Support for Israel is lowest among the very same demographic groups that are increasingly winning American hearts and minds on domestic and social issues.
A Pew Research poll released this week found that for the first time, a majority of Americans favor the legalization of marijuana, by a 52%-45% margin. Support is lowest among older, conservative Republicans and highest among younger, liberal Democrats.
The same trend holds true, in varying degrees, in all the recent polling on the issues that top the current American domestic agenda, such as gun control, gay marriage and immigration reform. The younger and more liberal you are, the more you are likely to support such measures; the older and more conservative you are, the more you are likely to oppose them.
Support for Israel, on the other hand, runs in the opposite direction: older, conservative and Republican Americans tend to prefer Israel over the Palestinians by overwhelming numbers, while younger, liberal and Democratic Americans are more ambivalent. In a January Pew poll, the gap between “conservative Republicans” and “liberal Democrats” on this matter was no less than a staggering 75%-33%.
Thus, while Israel’s continues to enjoy substantial overall support in the American public, its weakest links are to be found among the groups that are now on the ascendant on most domestic and social issues of the day. Generational gaps and demographic trends have combined to produce a significant shift in American public opinion, as the National Journal wrote this week: “The culture wars now favor the Democrats. The wind is in their backs.”
The question, therefore, is whether this wind might not eventually erode traditional support for Israel in American public opinion as well. Is the so-called “partisan gap” on Israel a permanent feature of the American political landscape that should worry Israelis or is it a reversible trend that will change with the times?
It is tempting, for example, to comfort oneself with the assumption that support for Israel comes with age, that young liberals who are now equivocating about the Jewish state will evolve over the years and become strong Israel-supporters, just like their elders. But that intuitive theory is rebuffed in a paper published earlier this year by Israel’s Institute of National Strategic Studies (INSS) in which researchers Owen Alterman and Cameron Brown cite polls showing that in the late 1970s, the generational divide was the other way round: Americans aged 18-29 were more supportive of Israel than those 65+ and over.
link to haaretz.com
Yehuda Shenhav:
"Spineless bookkeeping: The use of Mizrahi Jews as pawns against Palestinian refugees"
The analogy between the Palestinian refugees and the Jewish Mizrahis is baseless, not to mention offensive and immoral. It serves to cause friction between Mizrahi Jews and Palestinians, it is an insult to a great number of Mizrahim and harms chances for real reconciliation. More than that: the analogy points to a clear lack of understanding regarding the meaning of the Nakba. The Nakba does not only refer to the events of the war. The Nakba is, at its core, the prevention of those who were expelled from returning to their homes, lands and families after the establishment of the State of Israel. The Nakba is an active and clear policy of the State of Israel – not just the chaos of war.
link to 972mag.com
Jonathan Cook:
"Israel’s concern for Arab Jews is really a cynical attempt to undermine Palestinian refugees’ rights"
Israel’s goal is transparent: it hopes the international community can be persuaded that the suffering of Palestinian refugees is effectively cancelled out by the experiences of “Jewish refugees.” If nothing can be done for Arab Jews all these years later, then Palestinians should expect no restitution either....
...Classifying Arab Jews as “refugees” skewers the central justification used by Zionists for Israel’s creation: that it is the natural homeland for all Jews, and the only place where they can be safe. As a former Israeli parliamentarian, Ran Hacohen, once observed: “I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee.”
link to electronicintifada.net
“Tell me, why do you hate us?”
Because you're a whining shoot and cry psychopath?
"Liars are presumed troublemakers and may be denied entry at Israel’s border crossings."
Presumed trouble makers? Fine. Deny them entry but for f&%#s sake! Those methods of interrogation, deliberate humiliation and invasion of privacy by asking them to log on to their facebook and email accounts are beyond ridiculous. You have lost your mind!! And you reflexive defenders of the rogue settler state, there's no shred of humanity left in your body and soul. You disgust me.
Thank you, just. When a spade is a spade...well.
@yrn and Obsidian..Are you that thick? It's not as much denial of entry (can happen anywhere for various reasons) It's the way Israelis submit people to interrogation!! To ask one to log on his/her Facebook and email accounts and confiscate cell phones to check the contacts are unheard of in our times! Yes, Gestapo!
Clearly a country that has a lot to hide.
Gestapo!
What other country anywhere behaves in a similar fashion today?!
Could it be because one gets killed for as much as protesting peacefully all so often?
OOOPS! Posted a similar comment (downstairs) before I see yours, JennieS.
Herculese (or is it Polyphemus?) throwing a boulder:
link to hoocher.com
"a boulder"
He means that they were throwing something like this?
link to nwaber.files.wordpress.com
Who knew?! Some mighty little Herculeses, those Palestinian children..
Character assassination is a well documented method vile Zionists like yourself, Obsidian, always resort to when everything else fails. It's actually used before* anything else is. It's like the 'Arafat had AIDS' slur your petty, small men Zionist colleagues use mostly out of desperation.
"What was the reason the Palestinians were against Jewish emigration to Palestine? Oh yes. Demographics."
Maybe you can tell us why they should have conceded their lands to Eastern European colonists.
How about those who refer to Israel as "she" and "her"?
Vomit..
"stop all this formatting"
Signed..Treasures are embedded there that I can't read.
"When “BRICS” refer to “increasing” occupation, what is “increasing” in the “occupation” since 1967? if you don’t count life expentancy and income per capita that is. Pls explain to me, someone."
How about emptying entire zones of their inhabitants and declaring others as "State Land" for the benefit of illegal settlements?!
BTW, are you saying that Palestinian life "expectancy and income per capita increase" are due to the occupation?! And you wouldn't want us to see you for the fascistoid arseh*le that you are?
"there will be Jewish soldiers with guns protecting the Jews who wish to bake matzos in Jerusalem."
Rationalising the occupation is a tough job but someone must do it. You can always count on Yonah.
"what’s your point? who cares?"
Oh, his point is veeeery clear. Once you've been in a place you own it for all eternity. It's yours! Never mind that for close to 2 thousand years you had no significant presence in it and never stepped a foot in much of the frigging thing.
That's the putz' point.
Excellent article by Khalid Amayrah you linked to Biorabbi, thanks.. I don't quite well get the headline but everything else is remarkably cogent.
And this is not even new. It's been a while that the "New Historians" in Israel have been stressing this point out. You should know this! Educated Israelis know of this fact! Unless you're a recent immigrant of course which is a plausible explanation. Or you live in a pathological state of denial which is also very common among your folk..
"we think of this of this land as our historic homeland, not land we “stole”"
Obviously, you haven't been reading your own historians who now admit to have taken the land by force. In "The Scars of War" Shlomo Ben-Ami, historian but also an ex foreign minister under Barack wrote that only 6 to 7% of the land was bought. The rest was taken by force.
Here:
"...as a whole, I think that not more than 6 or 7% of the entire surface of the state of Israel was bought. The rest of it was either taken over or won during the war."
link to normanfinkelstein.com
Time for an update, Zionist.
"I’m not watching any of this."
Me neither. Delicate stomach sucks..
"For decades the palestinians have counted on Amerrica to ultimatly do what is right and deliever them from oppression."
Edward Said once wrote that the biggest mistake the Palestinians ever did was to accept the idea of the US as a broker in this conflict. America cannot be an honest broker, he said, because it's entirely favorable to the Israeli side. Nothing good can be expected of the US.
"Insane airport security procedures."
Talking of which, did you read this in Haaretz? Priceless. Security personnel "welcoming" Obama at Ben Gurion airport:
"Just a few routine security questions, sir"
PBO: Sure. It's good to be here. Shalom.
(She opens his passport.) What is your name?
PBO: Barack Obama.
Barack Obama. What kind of a name is that?
PBO: My parents shared an abiding faith that in a tolerant world your name is no barrier to success. Barack means blessed...
(Interrupting) I see. Do you have any middle names?
PBO: Um...
The security officer waits.
PBO: That’s my name.
And what are the names of your grandparents?
PBO: Hussein and Habiba Obama.
What community did they belong to?
PBO: They were Kenyan Muslims...
Step aside please. (PBO is directed to an isolated corner of the arrivals hall. After some time, another security agent appears.) I need to ask you a few questions. You understand that this is for your own security. What are the names of your grandparents?
link to haaretz.com
"deci·mation n.
Usage Note: Decimate originally referred to the killing of every tenth person, a punishment used in the Roman army for mutinous legions. Today this meaning is commonly extended to include the killing of any large proportion of a group."
link to thefreedictionary.com
"Decimated means 90% survived."
Yes and no..While it's literally true (kill a tenth) it was largely extrapolated to figuratively mean to kill a large portion. In French, taking from Latin, decimer means to cut the head/summet (cime). It simply means to annihilate.
No Israeli leader ever wanted a Palestinian state. Uri Avnery explains it very clearly here:
"WHEN A strategist plans a war, he first of all defines its aim. That is the Main Effort. Every other effort must be considered accordingly. If it supports the main effort, it is acceptable. If it hurts the main effort, it must be rejected.
The Main Effort of the Zionist/Israeli movement is to achieve a Jewish State in all of Eretz Israel - the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. In other words: the prevention of an Arab Palestinian state.
When one grasps this, all the events of the last 115 years make sense. All the twists and turns, all the seeming contradictions and deviations, all the curious-looking decisions make perfect sense.
In a bird’s eye view, the Zionist-Israeli policy looks like a river striving towards the sea. When it meets an obstacle, it goes around it. The path deviates to the right and to the left, sometimes even going backwards. But it perseveres with a wondrous determination towards its goal.
The guiding principle was to accept every compromise that gives us what we can get at any stage, but never let the final aim out of our sight.
This policy allows us to compromise about everything, except one: an Arab Palestinian state that would confirm the existence of an Arab Palestinian people."
link to zope.gush-shalom.org
"This is because of the occupation obviously…"
Why? Do you read it differently?
"One Rachel died by accident"
No, it wasn't an accident. She intentionally threw herself under the bulldozer in order to make Israel look bad.. Ask, dimadok, olegr and giladg, wallah I'm not lying.
In other words shoot first ask questions later.
"Unhealthy by what f’ing standard?"
Your own..As you would like us to believe they exist.
Hilarious back-peddling considering that in your first comment you were so confident..
"That’s just fucking antisemitism-straight up."
Triple yawn...
"and probably wrote a crappy novel."
Probably? You're even less sure now, aren't you? Nice back-peddling though.
"it was rejected because you don’t even understand the editors comments which were about the quality of your writing, not geo-politics."
How can you be so sure? Did you read his novel?
Feh!
"I don’t think they should be pimping their daughters death like this."
Oh, please!
I'd be interested in knowing who paid for those creeps' "study trip" to Israel. Not that I don't have an idea though..
"The Hon. Dr Peter Phelps: I met with him.
The Hon. LYNDA VOLTZ: It is a woman, so I doubt you met with him."
As my son says: "Epic fail!"
But.. but.. but giladg and all his friends here say that Iran wants to wipe out the Jews! Whom should I believe?
"there is no Mandela on the Palestinian side who recognizes that Jerusalem is as important to Jews as it is to anyone else"
Jerusalem is as important to the Jews? So what? A spiritual connection doesn't give you the right to take over the area and kick out the locals. Not nice.
As for the Palestinian Mandela canard..Come on now! It doesn't bother you to sound like a parrot?
"Disputed lands"
This might sound strange to you living in a Zio bubble but the only disputed land is Israel "proper" from which Palestinians were wrongfully kicked out..
"fringe groups which seek their (the Jews!) annihilation such as “BdS” movement."
Yes, I heard that the BDS "movement, Abunimah, Barghouti et all have advanced plans to build 50 concentration camps fully equipped with gas chambers and are looking for a convenient location to gather all Jews of the world. They found one in the Namib desert but shshsh! it's top secret for the time being and can't say more about it but you will discover shortly..
"No mention of the repeated-multiple times, by the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad-threat to annihilate Israel, to wipe it and its people"
"Wiping out the Zionist REGIME" was the correct quote but that doesn't sound as scary as "annihilate Israel" does it? Schmuck!
"You have to be crazy. You have to demonize the whole country. You have to claim that when Jews die, they’re probably killing themselves. You have to throw your lot in with those who say Jews should share in the blame for the Holocaust"
You're clearly off your rails. Someone calls an ambulance. Quick!
"Killing Jews?"
That old trick again, Hophmi? Have you no shame?
"Fifty-six countries openly and unreservedly identify themselves as a religious (Islam) State"
Because it's what they are. Unreservedly. Exactly. They don't force it on any objecting part within as Israel does.. Israel forces its Palestinian minority to accept a definition they don't identify with. Which excludes them.
"I see that prophetic prediction being eventually fulfilled."
What I can see and predict is your imminent self-destruction drunk driving straight into the wall of your arrogance and greed.
"Democracy is the religion of those who don’t really have one."
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know the kind. Messianic, fascistic settlers!
"I believe in God. And what He taught through His prophets concerning the role of a restored Israel.
He ordered nations in a certain way and made Israel to be a “light to the nations.”"
Not that we couldn't figure it out. A nutter.
RJL
The only country in the world which doesn't make Israel look bad is Saudi Arabia. But then again S.A did not kick out any indigenous population to establish itself. In that regard Israel is far worse.
"Some of us see that if the Palestinians agree to accept 22% of what was Palestine in 1946"
Without a right of return to the land where they were kicked out from? I strongly doubt it.
When your welfare is my nightmare I don't call it self-determination. I call it a crime against my person. But I don't expect an ethnocentric, racist right-wing Israeli to grasp this basic concept.
"Eeee what’s up doc ?"
Don't like it when you're given the change for your money, Oleg?
"Neither does the Arab World that deny their minorities equal rights."
"Arab world" is a bullshit term here. You have to talk of individual countries. In Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Jordan, minorities have equal constitutional rights..
Thou shall not self-determine on someone Else's land. Thou shall not self-determine on someone Else's land. Thou shall not self-determine on someone Else's land. Thou shall not self-determine on someone Else's land.
Enter this in your thick skull.
"This is a pretty good prediction of what will happen given the way minorities are treated in the region."
If by any chance your "pretty good prediction" becomes reality it would have had nothing to do with becoming simply a minority in the region. It would only be due to the fact that for over 64 years your folk have behaved in the most atrocious way imaginable, inflicting on them unspeakable suffering. No other minority have conducted itself in such a way. And if you take the example of the right-wing Christian Lebanese, they have never attempted to take over the whole of Lebanon. You missed an important difference.
"A Jewish minority would not survive."
Oh, shut up! They survived for centuries, no problem until you brought your racist asses in order to take over the whole country. And now you whine that they may hold no tender feelings towards repugnant ethnocentric racist colonisers.
Hyperbole! Obama didn't defeat the Lobby. On one issue, Hagel, maybe. He exploited one guy's, (Schumer) ambition to "become leader of Senate Democrats when Harry Reid retires" and it worked. On many other numerous issues there may not be similar golden opportunities. My 2 cents.
Yeah but 6000 years ago it was all Israel, so that should settle it. (pardon the pun). (And the sarcasm)
"Lula da Silva died of cancer"
Meant to say contracted (throat) cancer. He's still alive. Also forgot to add Paraguay’s Fernando Lugo to the list.
"Cancer: “Epidemic” Among Anti-US Latin American Leaders?"
Before his death during many public speeches Hugo Chavez called cases of cancer among presidents throughout Latin America an “epidemic” and a strange and alarming phenomenon. Not only was cancer spreading with non-coincidental regularity at approximately the same time to leaders in Latin America but it was attacking Latin America’s leading left leaning anti-US Imperialists, including Brazil’s President Dilma Rousseff, Paraguay’s Fernando Lugo, the former President of Brazil Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Argentinean President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. We might also add the mysterious illness of Fidel Castro to the list. Was this possibly a coincidence?
link to eurasiareview.com
"mentioned the demise of Arafat as a form of proof."
Not that I believe (or not) that Chavez death is suspicious but he and Arafat aren't the only ones:
Brazil’s president Lula da Silva died of cancer. Dilma Rousseff, his successor, diagnosed with lymphoma (blood cancer). Cristina Kirchner president of Argentina diagnosed with thyroid cancer. They and Chavez all got cancer around the same time.
link to forbes.com
Thanks Avi for setting the rabbi straight on Chavez. My bet is that the reason he hates him so much has a lot to do with the little love Chavez had for his beloved settler state of Israel.
Ah, the settlers. Once there were Mussolini's Blackshirts, Hitler's Brown Shirts and now "god"'s White Shirts..
"I think Biden’s father was referring to the Jews as a group that live in many countries rather than the Jews who live in America." Yonah
Maybe his father was but Biden himself adds "like the United States". Here:
"My father would say, were he a Jew, he would never, never entrust the security of his people to any individual nation, no matter how good and how noble it was, like the United States. (Applause.)"
"But it takes two to tango, and the rest of the Arab world has to get in the game. "
One word comes to mind: Porn.
The woman is beautiful! I want to marry her.
Update: Bummer! I'm already married! Pffff.
"Standing on a wind-swept hilltop overlooking the biblical hills of Judea."
Martin Fletcher, Correspondent, NBC News..
Biblical hills of Judea? Right! And you know where you can shove your prose, don't you? Yup, right there.
"Settlers perform religious rituals in evacuated Jenin settlement"
Isn't that nice of them, pious thugs! Reminds me of Al Capone who was a very religious man too. Never missed mass, I read.
"It is outragous to compare the settlers to the “activist Palestinians” … A true insult and unwarranted smear to the settlers."
I bet they, or you, wouldn't feel insulted if compared to the Brown Shirts of yore, would you?
"tolerant Jewish advocate for the settler movement"
It's like "liberal Zionist". There's no such a thing. A settler who is pro peace buggers off (Aussie slang for f**#k off) the stolen land he squats on post swift!
Jon
It's Cohen himself who cited Barghouti and the BDS as extreme. It was only fair to juxtapose what he himself viewed as being at the opposite poles.
Yup! Sounds like a settler alright. Arrived yesterday and thinks he already owns the place, hehe.
"we have here a number of people who regard those puppets as the legitimate and fully sovereign representatives of the People of Palestine."
Names please because personally I haven't seen/read any.
Yeah, israelnational news or arutz Sheva. As credible and honest as the fascists at Massada 2000. Nice showing of your true coulours, settler.
My thought exactly that I posted above.
Also, it's funny how it turned out that all the Zionists who post here, dimadok, olegr, obsidian, mcohen, mondonut and what's his name are ALL supporters of the settlers.
Linking to a settlers' site. Very credible knowing that they regularly accuse the Palestinians of torching their own groves in order to put the blame on the poor, innocent, cuddly, "god"-fearing settler scum. Get out of here!
Very well said Cliff..
"That’s simply untrue. The lowest numbers in the last 20 years other than this poll were in 2002, right after 9/11."
Do you know how to post a link or should we teach you?
"the land was stolen from the Jews by the Romans."
And the Jews stole it from someone else. Your "story" is not the beginning of history. By the way, for 2000 years the caretakers of the land were/ are the Palestinians and their ancestors, no one else. And not a thank you from your folk.
The fruit of the olive tree that you steal in broad light you do not leave half of it but take it all and on top of it you cut the tree. Do NOT talk about something you have no concept of called sharing.
I'll have to agree with you, David. This is very likely to stir anti-Semitic sentiments among those who do not know better. The thug is off on so many levels it makes one feel funny.
For the subtitles turn on the caption button.
Susan Abulhawa details here the discriminatory laws against the Palestinians, Muslim and Christians:
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"Facts on Israel's systemic discrimination against non-Jewish inhabitants.
Susan abulhawa
• Section 5 in the Law of Political Parties and section 7A of the Basic Law: Stipulates that any party platform that calls for full and complete equality between Jews and non-Jews, can be disqualified from any political post. The law demands that Palestinian Arab citizens may not challenge the state's Zionist identity.
• Law of Return: “Every Jew has the right to become a citizen no matter where they come from” while the indigenous non-Jewish inhabitants who were expelled in 1948 are expressly barred from returning to their homes
• Nakba Law: Penalizes any institution that commemorates or publicly mourns the expulsion of the native Palestinian population
• Anti-boycott law: Provides anyone calling for the boycott of Israel, or its illegal settlements, can be sued by the boycott's targets without having to prove that they sustained damage. The court will then decide how much compensation is to be paid.
• Admission Committees Law formally allows neighborhood screening committees to prevent non-Jewish citizens from living in Jewish communities that control 81 percent of the territory in Israel. In March 2011 Israel passed a law to allow residents of Jewish towns to refuse non Jews from living in their communities.
• Amendment to the Citizenship Law: Stipulates that an Israeli citizen who marries a Palestinian cannot live as a couple in Israel with his or her spouse. A Palestinian spouse can neither gain citizenship nor residency.
• 93% of the land, the vast majority of which was confiscated from Palestinian owners after 1948, can only be owned by Jewish agencies for the benefit of Jews only. One of these agencies is the Jewish National Fund, which, in its charter forbids sale or lease to non-Jews.
• Specified Goods Tax and Luxury Tax Law [art 26, Laws of the State of Israel, vol. 6, p. 150 (1952)] Authorizes lower import taxes for Jewish citizens of Israel compared with non-Jewish citizens of Israel.
• National Planning and Building Law (1965) Through various zoning laws freezes the growth of existing Arab villages while providing for the expansion Jewish settlements and creation of new ones. The law also re-classifies a large portion of established Arab villages as "unrecognized” and therefore nonexistent, allowing the state to cut off water and electricity as well as to simply appropriate that property.
• Appropriations are carried out under The Requisitions Law which allows a “competent authority” to requisition the land – called “land requisition order” – so that only he may “use and exploit the land” as he sees fit. This applies to “home requisition orders” as well, whereby another “competent authority” who can “order the occupier of a house to surrender the house to the control of a person specified in the order, for residential purposes or for any other use, as may be prescribed in the order. “
• In the education sector within Israel, as an example, the state spends $192 per year per non-Jewish student compared to $1,100 per Jewish student.
• There is a planned Mosque Law that will prohibit the broadcasting of the Muslim call to prayer, which has been sounding over that land since the beginning of Islam.
• Non-Jews living in the West Bank are denied access to the holy places of Jerusalem, which are only a few kilometers away from them.
• ALSO, for the first time in the history of Islam and the history of Christianity, Palestinian Muslims and Christians in the West Bank and Gaza are denied access to their holy Places of Jerusalem, even on the high holy days of Eid, Christmas, and Easter Sunday.
• Since Israel took the West Bank, the Christian population has declined from 20,000 in 1967 to less than 7500 today.
• Military Order 1229: authorizes Israel to hold Palestinians in administrative detention for up to six months without charge or trial. Six-month detentions can be renewed indefinitely, without charge or trial.
• Military Order 329 and 1650 effectively prevents Palestinians from being anywhere in the West Bank without a specific permit to be there, making it a criminal offense to go from one Palestinian town to another.
• Military Oder #92 and #158: gives the Israeli military control of all water resources in the West Bank, which belongs to Palestinians.
• Israel then allows the Palestinians access to only a fraction of the shared water resources, while unlawful Israeli settlements there receive virtually unlimited supplies creating a reality of green lawns and swimming pools for Jewish settlers and a parched life for Palestinians, whose access to water, according to the World Health Organization does not meet the minimum requirements for basic human water needs.
• Furthermore, that fraction of confiscated Palestinian water is sold to Palestinians at 300% more than what it costs Jewish settlers in the same area. ($1.20/cubic meter vs $.40/cubic meter).
• Military Orders #811 and #847: Allows Jews to purchase land from unwilling Palestinian sellers by using “power of attorney”.
• Military Order #25: forbids public inspection of land transactions.
• Militar Order #998: requires Palestinians to get Israeli military permission to make a withdrawal from their bank account.
• Military Order #128: gives the Israeli military the right to take over any Palestinian business which is not open during regular business hours.
• Military Order #138 & #134: forbids Palestinians from operating tractors or other heavy farm machinery on their land.
• Military Order #93: gives all Palestinian insurance businesses to the Israeli Insurance Syndicate.
• Military Order # 1015: requires Palestinians to get Israeli military permission to plant and grow fruit trees. This permit expires every year.
• Through various military orders, according to the WHO, Israel has uprooted 2.5 million trees belonging to Palestinians, and which often represent their only means of sustenance.
• (UNICEF): “Conditions have rarely been worse for Palestinian children.” One in 10 Palestinian children now suffer from stunted growth due to compromised health, poor diet and nutrition and 50% of Palestinian children are anemic, and 75% of those under 5 suffer from vitamin A deficiency.
• Palestinian children are routinely imprisoned for months and years for throwing stones at Israeli jeeps, tanks, and soldiers. Many of them, as young as 12 years old, are tortured and held in solitary confinement.
• Meanwhile, for bludgeoning a 10 year old Palestinian boy (Hilmi Shusha) to death with the butt of his rifle, an Israeli settler received community service and a fine.
• A Palestinian man was convicted of rape and sentenced to 1.5 years in prison for having consensual sex with a Jewish woman, because he did not disabuse her of her assumption that he was Jewish.
link to angryarabscommentsection.blogspot.com.au
"Israeli Arabs, Muslims and Christians, are doing very well."
Keep peddling that lie settler.
Someone here, yes in the NYT, begs to differ:
"Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal"
link to nytimes.com
Messianic, far-right giladg! Surprised? Not me!
sardelapasti
Sadly, the 22% is what the PA (not the Palestinian people) agreed to in concert with most Arab countries, in the form of the Arab initiative. Still got rejected by the settler state.
"The Blackshirts"
There's no way on earth 'The Blackshirts' were half as bad as those degenerates. If you think otherwise I would love to know how or why. Honestly.
“for more than 10 years nothing was done on the piece of land in question.” Giladg..
And how do you go about it when you’re not allowed to access your land, for one? Two, when very often you're not even allowed to own a tractor. Which makes things even more difficult. Did you even know that in most cases it's forbidden for a Palestinian to own a tractor?
Finally. This trash that you call a “farmer”. He’s not. Just a colonist settler thief with no moral compass of any shape or form. Please. Don’t mistake shit for barbecue sauce.
"At least they are talking and not shooting each other."
And "surpridingly" you don't see much you disapprove of in what he says or does. Thugs of a feather..
Found them! Not in photos but as a post scrolling down. My bad.
"14 very disturbing photographs of the attack"
She must have taken them off her fb page. Only one photo there, the same one above.
By the way, did you people see this? A mob of ultra-Orthodox women assaults a Palestinian woman and beat her up in Jerusalem:
link to maannews.net
Another photo of the assault here:
link to shehab.ps
"A Nazi who’s also a Jew. Who would have though such a thing was possible?"
A friend who's a Jew laughs at me when I say such things. "Don't be so naive" he says. "There's no reason for a Jew not to be a Nazi. Look at the hard-core settlers."
Why 5 Broken Cameras or The Gatekeepers could not have won at the Oscars:
Jonathan Cook:
"Guy Davidi, the Israeli co-director of 5 Broken Cameras, one of the finalists, said industry insiders had warned him that pressure was being exerted on the Academy to stop the films winning the award.
“Many people in Hollywood are working very hard to make sure that neither film wins,” he said. “From Israel’s point of view, an Oscar would be a public relations disaster and mean more people get to see our films.”"
link to jonathan-cook.net
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Not that we couldn't figure it out mind you.
Hophmi
To continue to drag about the Husseini canard shows the high intellectual dishonesty you're ready to jump to. Husseini in visiting Germany didn't act out of ideological conviction. He had no business whatsoever with the Nazi ideology. He was not in a position to carefully chose and pick allies having been repeatedly deceived and cheated by the British who broke every promise they made to the Palestinians and went ahead favoring the Jews. He acted out of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". He thought there was an opportunity that could work for to strengthen the Palestinian position and he took it.
Sheesh.
BTW, many a Zionist acted in the same way and approached Hitler with a similar idea in mind.
"The Mufti ran Birkenau.
Most of the camp guards were so called Palestinians who only came to Erez Israel in 1932 when they opened the first Walmart in Rosh Hashana just outside Junction 5 of the Tel Aviv to Hasbara motorway."
Very funny because close to something that an average Christian Zionist moron is ready to repeat without questioning. I met quite a few of these online and one has to see it to believe it.
A Jerusalem Post poll found only 4% of Israelis have positive views of Obama. He is disliked and even hated (one "mainstream" fellow would shoot him if he could!) for being black and "Muslim": Al Jazeera video
link to youtube.com
"Please cite a single mainstream Israeli who has slurred Obama for being Black and having a Muslim name."
Will you tell us that those (basically settlers) are not mainstream in Israel?:
JEWS AGAINST OBAMA
A Web-Blog Warning America & Israel About Barack Hussein Obama
link to jewagainstobama.wordpress.com
Yes Avi. Viewed from that angle, you're right.
Kathleen. Here it is on Youtube. Ted the bear and Mark Walberg. "Are you Jewish? I'm Jewish"
Ted And Mark Wahlberg @ 2013 Oscars Academy Awards
link to youtube.com
"Emad’s son’s name — is the Arabic “Gabriel”, a Christian name."
Also a Muslim name, Avi. Remember Ahmad Jibreel/Jibril leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC)? The name of the archangel is also cited in the Qur'an as Jibra'eel.
The role of Hollywood in enabling Israel is immense and not only for having created myths like the vile Exodus. More importantly in their past and ongoing effort to shape and control the image of an ugly, backward, terror-loving Arab that no decent American can sympathise with no matter how victimised he can be. The place for a victim is already taken. Eternally one can add.
Hollowood...
Danaa
Are their posts/comments in Hebrew any worse than those regularly posted in the comments section of YNet, The Jerusalem Post and occasionally in Haaretz? Hard to imagine, in fact. It only takes me 2 comments to read before I start vomiting in the mouth.
Look at his face in this photo for goozsake! What could have caused this swollen right side of his forehead, the broken cheekbone, the bruised eye if not thorough beating and pounding?
Monster!
link to angryarabscommentsection.blogspot.com.au
"if only Dimadok had been there to reassure him."
The fact that this bot didn't show on this thread speaks volume about this lousy character.
Photo of his pummeled face is evidence of beating/torture:
link to angryarabscommentsection.blogspot.com.au
Already in 1970 Israel Shahak wrote his famous article "Torture in Israel".
Torture policy for Palestinian prisoners within Israeli Jails
link to a-w-i-p.com
Torture in Israeli prisons:
link to uruknet.info
Beatings are a regular procedure:
link to occupiedpalestine.files.wordpress.com
Palestinian young woman severely tortured by Israeli soldiers from Nahshon unit:
link to realisticbird.wordpress.com
The question to be asked is why a doctor is needed during interrogation if no torture is involved.
Off-topic but of some importance to address the "argument" that some ignorant, brainwashed Zionists in denial still use in regards to the existence of a country called Palestine. Here is a video of a Football match Australia V Palestine which took place in Sydney in 1939 recorded by the British Pathe Gazetta.
link to britishpathe.com
Jon s
You may want to have a look what David J Wasserstein wrote about just that:
" So, what did the Muslims do for the Jews?"
By David J Wasserstein, May 24, 2012
"Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth. The argument for it is double. First, in 570 CE, when the Prophet Mohammad was born, the Jews and Judaism were on the way to oblivion. And second, the coming of Islam saved them, providing a new context in which they not only survived, but flourished, laying foundations for subsequent Jewish cultural prosperity - also in Christendom - through the medieval period into the modern world."
And:
"In the developing Islamic societies of the classical and medieval periods, being a Jew meant belonging to a category defined under law, enjoying certain rights and protections, alongside various obligations. These rights and protections were not as extensive or as generous as those enjoyed by Muslims, and the obligations were greater but, for the first few centuries, the Muslims themselves were a minority, and the practical differences were not all that great.
Along with legal near-equality came social and economic equality. Jews were not confined to ghettos, either literally or in terms of economic activity. The societies of Islam were, in effect, open societies. In religious terms, too, Jews enjoyed virtually full freedom. They might not build many new synagogues - in theory - and they might not make too public their profession of their faith, but there was no really significant restriction on the practice of their religion. Along with internal legal autonomy, they also enjoyed formal representation, through leaders of their own, before the authorities of the state. Imperfect and often not quite as rosy as this might sound, it was at least the broad norm."
And:
"Jewish cultural prosperity in the middle ages operated in large part as a function of Muslim, Arabic cultural (and to some degree political) prosperity: when Muslim Arabic culture thrived, so did that of the Jews; when Muslim Arabic culture declined, so did that of the Jews."
link to thejc.com
I was too much in a hurry to go to sleep (too late) before finishing with the subject which is completed by a second Golden Age, Andalusian Arab/Islamic in Spain this time (711 to 1492) without which the European/Western Renaissance wouldn't have taken place:
The Genius of Arab Civilization: Source of Renaissance
By John John Richard Hayes
link to books.google.com.au
There's no excuse, even for a porn star gay or straight to ignore the existence of such a thing as the Islamic Golden Age which only came to a halt thanks to the terrifying Mogol onslaught:
link to en.wikipedia.org
"They have not contributed to civilization in any way, in any field — political thought, science, music, architecture, nothing for century after century. "
Was this your money shot? Just because you have no knowledge of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Google is your friend. Just enter two words "Islamic civilisation" and there's a year (conservative estimation) worth of reading material about scientists, astronomers, doctors, mathematicians, philosophers, architects, poets, musicians, theologians, etc. century after century, dumbass!
Today in the Age (also in the Sydney Morning Herald):
Zygier spy case gets ever curiouser
link to theage.com.au