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The Hasbara Buster

Linguist from Rosario, Argentina. Amateur musician. Committed anti-zionist.

Website: http://thehasbarabuster.blogspot.com

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  • The 'double standards' issue and moral judgment of Israeli policies
    • I would add a couple of thoughts to Slater's generally consistent article.

      In the first place, it makes sense for an individual not to boycott Iran because Iran is already subjected to international sanctions. There's no need for the rank-and-file citizen to act because the whole world is acting against the country (even if, contrary to Israel, Iran is not accused of violating international law). In the case of Israel, a concerted effort by individuals is required because the institutions aren't acting.

      In the second place, even if we admitted, for the sake of argument, that a boycott of Israel is based on a double standard, that wouldn't be a reason not to implement it, because by the same yardstick the boycott against South Africa was also based on a double standard (China or Mozambique were worse human-rights violators), yet it ended Apartheid.

  • Behind the story: A beating caught by settlers' camera exposes violent encroachment on a village's land
    • In the information war, this video is an instance of friendly fire. The settler rejoicing in the beating of the Palestinian youth provided close ups that proved invaluable to document the war crime. But how long until some Zio declares it an example of Pallywood?

  • Reluctantly taking down monstrous orientalist video, college union in Israel protests that it got '1000s of positive reactions'
    • You don't seem to get it.

      A few years back, a cartoon in a Spanish newspaper featured a bearded, hat-wearing Jew representing an Israeli official. A journalist asks him, "But how can Israel violate human and internationa laws with total impunity?," to which the Jew answers with a bored look in his face "It costs us a good deal of money." This is quite funny, especially in Spanish, where the word order stresses the concept of money. The point is that the political groups putting up the Arab-disrespecting video were the same ones who decried the Spanish cartoon as monstrous antisemitism.

      Either coffee for all or coffee for none. You can't accept racism as disrespect in some cases while denouncing disrespect as racism in others.

  • The power of Stephen Hawking
    • Simple. Scientists who do attend won't even be noticed. Hawking is far more famous than all of them combined.

      Not that I like the opinions of someone not an expert in Middle Eastern history to carry so much weight, mind you. But it's the rules of the game. The Zionists started it when they alleged that Martin Luther king equated anti-Zionism to antisemitism. Now it's boomeranging.

    • I sometimes pity the Zionists. They have no right to independent opinion on any living or deceased person; all people must be judged in relation to their stance on Israel, not on their merits.

      In the case of Hawking, Zionists made an egregious U-turn from lavishing praise on him just a few weeks back ("The "most famous" living scientist in the world [who] greatly enlarged our understanding of the origin and possible fate of the Universe [and] has a flourishing scientific career") to calling him a cripple who hasn't got a clue.

  • Latest Geller ad seeks to mute criticism of Israeli apartheid
    • GELLER: “Stop US aid to Islamic states.”

      Well, on this one I support Geller. Indeed -- stop US aid to the Islamic state of Egypt. Without the US's cash gifts, Egypt would have no incentive to keep diplomatic ties with Israel, and in a short time it might go to war with it.

  • Legal fight continues against NYPD spying on Muslims: an interview with civil rights lawyer Jethro Eisenstein
    • @ivri

      Would you still rationally expect the authorities to spend the same efforts (and in our times, a much restricted budget) on both groups?

      As any person with the ability to read English can understand, Eisenstein says nothing about the percentage of the budget allocated to spying on each group. He says that blanket spying on Muslims should be done away with.

  • 'NYT' runs another piece warning people not to intermarry during delusory secular interval of 30s and 40s
    • Remarkably, less than half of the interfaith couples in my survey said they’d discussed, before marrying, what faith they planned to raise their kids in...

      One of the most puzzling aspects of American society, as compared to other Western countries, is the social pressure to have a religion. Why on earth are kids expected to be raised in a faith?

      Even in my country, where the new Pope comes from, the people are nominally Catholic but essentially secular, going to church maybe two or three times a year and, in a large and growing number of cases, completely skipping a religious wedding. Despite my funny-sounding Middle Eastern last name, I don't recall ever being asked what my religion is except in connection with my views on abortion.

      My children were raised without any religious training, but with many books on different faiths in the house. The result is that my daughter is completely indifferent to all religion, while my son is virulently atheist. That brainwashing from the crib, in the form of an imposed religion, should be advocated and even expected is simply unacceptable in an enlightened society.

  • Israelis flock to Berlin-- some for 'multicultural vibe'
    • While the superficial reason for the exile of so many Israelis may be the country's high cost of living, the ultimate cause is the conflict. It is thanks to the conflict that a circle of some 20 families can dominate the real estate, utility and retail sectors, charging exorbitant prices for goods and services with little protest from the society.

      Since most of the political debate is focused on security and the gaining of ever more territory, little attention is paid to issues of wealth distribution and regulatory measures to stop the concentration of economic power in a very few hands.

      Seeing as there is little chance of changing that from within, many prefer to emigrate. That would not be the case in a normalized situation, in which the citizenry would prioritize their well-being and act --and vote-- accordingly.

  • Israeli drumbeat grows for Pollard's release ahead of Obama visit
  • Biden says Jews can't be safe in the U.S. without a Jewish state
  • Netanyahu's agenda for Obama leaves out Palestinian state-- 'especially in this Middle East'
    • And that is the Israel that will never stop standing shoulder to shoulder with the country that has been the greatest force for good that the world has ever known - the United States of America.

      Interesting that Netanyahu seems to hold America in greater esteem than its own Vice President, John Biden.

      But then Netanyahu doesn't need the Lobby to get elected.

  • Dershowitz unveils new hasbara claim: IDF has lowest rape rate
    • David:

      Around 2002 Israel's apologists were claiming that the IDF was the most moral army in the world because instead of bombing refugee camps from the air they conducted house-to-house searches. Dershowitz himself claimed as much in The Case for Israel:

      Not only was Jenin not a massacre or an unparalleled catastrophe but it is regarded by many as a model of how to conduct urban warfare against terrorists hiding among civilians. (...) Instead of bombing the terrorists' camp from the air, as the United States did in Afghanistan and as Russia did in Chechnya, with little risk to their own soldiers but much to civilians, Israeli infantrymen entered the camp, going house to house in search of terrorists and bomb-making equipment, which they found. Twenty-three Israeli soldiers and fifty-two Palestinians, many of whom were combatants, were killed.

      Then in 2006 Israel conducted the Lebanon war almost exclusively from the air, "with little risk to their own soldiers but much to civilians." The Zionists had to find some new excuse, and what they came up with was the claim that because "the terrorists" hid among civilians, a large number of civilian casualties was to be expected. The previous line about the morality of house-to-house urban warfare vs. the immorality of carpet-bombing was completely dropped, now that Israel itself was carpet-bombing.

      That's why you began to hear the "they hide among civilians" argument more around that date.

  • AIPAC won't let us report on its policy conference
  • 'An Arab is the son of a prostitute, a Jew is a (blessed) soul' -- Jerusalem mob chants
  • Cruz's McCarthyite accusation: Hagel got money from 'radical and extreme... anti-Israel groups'
  • 'New York Daily News' distorts why student Israel advocates were tossed from Brooklyn College event (updated)
    • In one of the comments to Melanie Goldberg's Facebook account, Ari Ziegler, another of the students kicked out of the event, states:

      I fail to see how my behavior, sitting, listening, and taking notes, or even my brother's whispering to me about an aspect of the info sheet he didn't understand, can be construed as behavior that would make someone feel "incredibly uncomfortable."

      Here he recognizes they were whispering things to each other. While he may not feel uncomfortable if other people do that, the average person attending and event where you've got to pay a lot of attention, be it a play or a BDS conference, is very much distracted by whispering. So that what Emma Snyders claims --"I was directly in front of you and had to ask you to be quiet numerous times before you were asked to leave"-- appears to be quite probably true.

  • 'Daily News' jumps on 'Jews tossed from Brooklyn College' claim (updated)
    • Let's see, Judith Butler is a Jew, and not only was she allowed into the event, she was one of the speakers. So that while the Post's report is technically correct -- four Jews were escorted out of the event --, it would have been just as accurate to report that four whites were booted from the hall. The suggestion that they were removed because they're Jewish is grotesque, ridiculous and preposterous.

      That leaves the Zios with the charge that they were expelled because they opposed the event, turning the issue into one of freedom of expression. But they heckled the speakers. An argument can be made that heckling is acceptable when the speaker says too offensive things and has a history of denying the audience the right of reply (and even then the heckler must accept to be peacefully removed by the security personnel, although not by other members of the public). But in this case, both Butler and Barghouti are open to dialog and always politely answer questions, so that the disruption of these "four Jews" was totally uncalled-for.

      Turning these four young people into some sort of pogrom victims or freedom martyrs will no doubt backfire. The public is not mentally-retarded.

  • The latest existential threat to Israel? Those Russians the world was implored to free
    • @JeffB:

      I may disagree with Haredi on conversion standards, that doesn’t mean I want to see their flesh ripped off their bones using shrapnel laced with anticoagulants to help them bleed to death if the original would doesn’t kill them. And the Haredi feel the same way about secularists.

      You need to update a bit your Hasbara. You see, since the Jews also blew up people in markets when they didn't have a state (and even named a moshav, Ramat Raziel, after their most notorious mass murderer), they had to make up this story about the anticoagulants to prove that the Palestinians are more demonic. But it's a lie. Bad news for Hasbarists: the Internet now exists, and canards and fabrications are not easy to peddle anymore.

      If you've been duped on this, on how many other things may you have been brainwashed? Think about it.

      Oh, and as for the Haredim and secularists, the Rabin murder exempts me from any further comment.

  • Terror lurking in a Christmas tree? Israel tries to ban non-Jewish celebrations
    • A couple of years ago I was waiting for my brother outside the Catholic church in my neighborhood, were a Mozart concert was scheduled after the evening mass. Also waiting was an elderly Jewish couple.

      "It's getting cold," the wife said. "Do we get in?" "But -- they're saying Mass in there!," the husband objected. "So what's the problem?," was the wife's reasonable answer, and she dragged the man inside the temple.

      Many Jews are raised in deep contempt of Christianity, whose ceremonies are portrayed as some sort of pagan rituals to be avoided like the pest. The spitting on Armenian priests in Jerusalem and this ban on Christmas trees in Upper Nazareth seem to reflect this hateful upbringing.

  • Washington Post defends picture of dead Gaza child after complaints from 'Jews in large numbers'
    • In fairness, once sharing Pexton's generalization, I used to do posts saying that there are too many Jews on the Israel beat in our newspapers and too many Jews at the Council on Foreign Relations. I dropped that line because it was imprecise and because I came to believe, based on all the anti-Zionists I was meeting, that there is actual diversity inside the Jewish community.

      Actually, it is regrettable that you dropped that line. I once asked the question "Can one say 'the Jews'?". I concluded that one can. The Jews, as a collective, can be held accountable for what their elected leaders overwhelmingly do, notably supporting Israel. Also, when journalists like Charles Krauthammer disseminate pro-Israel crap from their privileged tribunes, that has everything to do with their Jewishness, which is where their Zionism stems from in the first place. As the world currently stands, the default for a Jew is being a Zionist, at least until the marginally few ones who defy that norm become a sizable minority, which is a long way down the road.

  • West's lecture on free speech would go down better if Islamophobia was not 'acceptable bigotry'
    • It’s sobering to note that the likes of Jesse Helms, scoundrel that he was, was *extremely* civilized compared to the “democracy activists” of the Muslim/Arab world.

      Unfortunately, other reactions in the West are not as civilized. Ernst Zündel and David Irving have been repeatedly jailed simply for exercising their freedom of speech, namely by denying the Holocaust. Dissident rabbi Ahron Cohen had his house pelted with thousands of eggs and his windows smashed with bricks for attending Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial conference. Israeli ambassador to Sweden Zvi Mazel destroyed an artwork he didn't like, in which a picture of a Palestinian suicide bomber floated on a pool of red liquid resembling blood.

      Even more outrageously, a host of notable rabbis and politicians, including presidential candidate Mitt Romney, have actively worked to deny the Muslims of New York the right to build a 13-storey Islamic center on their own property near Ground Zero, on the grounds that it would offend the WTC victims. All Muslims were thus made responsible for what just 19 of them did, and the sensitivity of a group of people became more important than freedom of assembly -- which would have made the West go ballistic if the sensitive group had been the Muslims.

  • Netanyahu arrives in NY with his public image in smithereens
    • Or simply trying to defend the citizens of his country from the threat of an actual crazy messianic regime that has threaten Israel time and again and armed its enemies.

      Except that Iran's threats are purely rhetorical and the country has never initiated war against any other nation.

      On another note, the only messianic leader I can think of is Netanyahu himself, who has increasingly cited the Bible to reaffirm the Jews' right to the land of Israel. Israel is currently the only democratic country basing its claim to a territory on religious grounds. Iran is making no such claims.

      As regards Iran's support of anti-Israel groups: big deal! Israel maintains an extensive network of anti-Palestinian informers, and in the past gave full support to Lebanon's Phalangists who committed mass murder. Should Israel be nuked?

  • Moses and Mohammed are not equivalent figures in Jewish and Islamic faiths
    • Hophmi:

      But the equivalent of what is going on in the Middle East is like the people in Meah Shearim rioting because some girl walked down the street with a short skirt in New York.

      The Israeli ambassador to Sweden destroyed an artwork in Sweden because he felt offended by it, and his government stood behind him.

      Jewish vandals feel free to attack free speech, and they enjoy the full support of their authorities.

    • Hophmi said:

      Source?

      Again, your comparison is nonsense. No one attacked Muslim embassies or killed Muslim diplomats after Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denied the Holocaust.

      Stop apologizing for extremism.

      I was responding to Goldberg's sanctimonious statement that "my faith doesn't allow me to hurt a person because another person has offended my sensibilities."

      Goldberg's faith is the Jewish faith and British Jews attacked a dissident rabbi because Ahmadinejad denied the Holocaust and the rabbi attended that conference. From AP:

      When Cohen returned from Iran, he needed police protection. His house was barraged by hundreds of eggs, his window smashed by a brick and a billiard ball and he continues to be pelted with pebbles, eggs and insults in the street, he said.

      Last week, two tires on his Volvo were slashed, he said, and his synagogue has closed its doors to him.

      Essentially, this rabbi was attacked for blasphemy. And those who attacked him are incredibly well-to-do Jews who have a lot to lose if they're caught, unlike the impoverished Muslims who demonstrate when their faith is intentionally ridiculed in the West.

    • I refuse to accept that it’s OK for anyone to kill or hurt another person or to engage in wanton destruction of property simply because a man – a human being who died centuries ago – was disrespected.

      Myself, I refuse to see any difference between disrespecting Mohammed and disrespecting the memory of the Shoah.

      When a Birmingham dissident Jew attended Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial conference, he was shunned from the Jewish community, his house was pelted with thousands of eggs, his car was destroyed, etc. This didn't happen in an impoverished society; it happened in a city of very well-to-do Jews. All of which Goldberg had nothing to say about.

      Goldberg's message is, essentially, that there are acceptable and unacceptable irrational behaviors. The acceptable one is the Jews'.

  • You say Jucheck, I say CHKJEW, let's call the whole thing off
  • Sarah Schulman takes on pinkwashing at OUT Magazine
    • Priority in employment is given to veterans, and Palestinians are prohibited from serving in the army, and so are legally discriminated against in employment.

      Be careful!!!

      It is not true that Palestinians are prohibited from serving in the army. Certain groups, like the Druze and the Bedouin, are customarily drafted. Also, individual Arabs may apply to join the IDF, and some are indeed inducted. Zionists will seize any opportunity you give them to debunk you, and a factual inaccuracy plays heavily into their hands.

      How to demonstrate, then, the discrimination Arabs face in employment? A good starting point is a statement Ehud Olmert made when he was Prime Minister of Israel:

      It is terrible that there is not even one Arab employee at the Bank of Israel (out of 900 employees) and that in the Israel Electric Company Arabs constitute fewer than 1% of all workers.

      The issue of integrating Arab employees into the public service has been occupying me greatly. The gap between their ratio in the population and their integration into the public service arouses concern and unease.

  • Clockwork hasbara
  • Confronting anti-semitic discourses head on: How to avoid self-silencing
    • Some who oppose the occupation, which goes against international law, also oppose the legitimacy of the state of Israel – and no other nation. They thereby cast the Israeli state as uniquely sinister. First, it isn’t true. Many states engage in violent suppression of minorities, neighboring communities, or inhabitants of distant nations. There are many nations whose origins entailed the displacement of populations, including our own. Second, depicting Israel as a uniquely evil state that has no right to exist aligns too neatly with the centuries-old depiction of Jews as a uniquely evil people who have no right to exist.

      Ms. Satter, is this as deep as your analysis can get? The almost servile transcription of tired Hasbara points?

      Too many fallacies in a single paragraph:

      1) We don't oppose the legitimacy of the State of Israel. We oppose the legitimacy of the Zionist regime. The day Israel gives the vote to all the population it controls and removes legislation favoring Jews, we won't oppose it at all.

      2) We don't have any obligation, moral or otherwise, to oppose other regimes than Israel's. This is not expected of critics of the Cuban or the Iranian regimes, and it shouldn't be expected of us either.

      3) We don't cast Israel as uniquely sinister. We criticize Israel without comparing it to other countries.

      4) Any comparison between the displacement of Native Americans and the Nakba is disingenuous, since the latter is an extant problem, and was done in the name of moral justice.

      The problem is not that we focus uniquely on Israel; the problem is that of all the people in the world who focus uniquely on a country, you focus uniquely on us.

  • Sheldon Adelson's daughter rams 'Democracy Now' crew as it questions her dad
  • Israeli court rejects Corrie family lawsuit; calls Rachel Corrie's death 'regrettable accident'
    • "She (Corrie) did not distance herself from the area, as any thinking person would have done."

      "Any thinking person" would have "distanced themselves" from Tian An Men square once it was declared a closed military zone. The judge should not engage in cheap psichology but instead determine if killing a person is admissible in the context of a non-combat military operation where the Israeli soldiers were not facing any risk or armed opposition to their objective of demolishing houses.

      Shame on a justice system that has just convalidated any State massacre so long as the victims are warned not to stay in a closed zone.

  • Israeli Settler: 'If I see her coming, no matter what age she is 3, 4, 7, I'll f*ck her over'. Israeli Soldier: 'No problem'
    • I am not doubting the sincerity of emotions of the participants just the sincerity of the situation.

      LOL, OlegR, I recall participating in a debate a few years ago in which a Zionist claimed that the IDF would never deliberately expose Palestinian children to harm. By that time, fortunately, an insincere photographer in the Occupied Territories published a picture of a 13-year-old Palestinian boy who had been bound to the windshield of an Isreali jeep to prevent the vehicle from being pelted with stones. Soon, other pictures and videos began to arise showing teenagers used as human shields, and talk about IDF kindness towards children accordingly vanished.

      We need to insincerily go with cameras and record the IDF's behavior because otherwise you'll deny what's going on.

  • Guardian fires Treviño
  • A Lynching in Jerusalem: Anatomy of Jewish racism
    • I don’t believe that hundreds of people cheered

      As I documented above, in 2008 some 60 Jews were caught on camera beating an Arab to a pulp, and chasing and stabbing another. So that the report that hundreds of people cheered in the Zion square incident gains some credibility.

    • Let's see. Prominent state-paid rabbis incite against the Arabs and don't get fired. Same goes for prominent politicians. As a result, dozens of nationalist-driven anti-Arab attacks, from mosque burnings to murder by stabbing, have taken place. The perpetrators are either not caught or given very lenient prison terms. A similar lynching was caught on video in 2008, a firebomb was thrown against a Palestinian taxi in the same week as the Zion square incident, a young gang was convicted in 2010 of luring Arabs to parks and beating them...

      What we've got here is a pattern of violence instigated by state-paid actors, and which enjoys a large measure of impunity from the justice system. That's the decisive difference with the French case, in which the violence is isolated and not encouraged by the institutions.

    • Actually, there's hardly anything new about this lynching. Four years ago, a similar Jewish mob attack against two Arabs, which resulted in one stabbed in the back and the other beaten to a pulp, was caught on camera in Jerusalem. See it:

      link to youtube.com

      Notice how ominously the Jews converge on one of the defenseless Arabs, after which they savagely beat him and leave him lying on the ground in the middle of a boulevard. I don't know what the perpetrators' eventual fate was, but I would be very surprised to learn they're serving prison terms.

  • My grandfather sparked my interest in debate over Zionism
    • In 1978 I began hearing the land question discussed and for the first time I came across the argument that most of the land bought by the Zionists was sold by absentee feudal landlords, whose "tenants" were then run off by the purchasers. In my view of property this was illegitimate.

      This is the kind of moral argument that won't pass the Zionist test, in which plausible deniability is all that counts. If the Jews have a piece of paper granting them rights to a territory, then it's Jewish territory, whatever the wishes of the people actually living and working there.

      A stronger rebuttal to the "the Jews bought the land" argument, however, is that they didn't. They bought some of the land -- about 1,800 sq km out of Israel's current land area of 22,000 sq km. If ownership automatically translates into sovereignty (itself a very dubious claim), then the Zionist Jews only had the right to establish a state on less than 10% of the territory they currently control.

  • B'nai B'rith and World Jewish Congress defend settlements as 'Israel'
    • The subtext of these recommendations is that Jews cannot legitimately establish working communities in Biblical Israel

      No, the subtext is that they cannot illegitimately establish such communities. Israeli settlements on the West Bank have no legal validity according to a binding UN Security Council resolution.

      What next, B'nai B'rith? A declaration that jailing a Jewish thief is antisemitic?

  • Geller's 'savage' bus ad meets strong resistance from the Bay Area
    • @Fredblogs:

      What anti-Muslim language is there in the ad?

      Well, any reasonable person would conclude that calling the Muslims savage is anti-Muslim language. The judge said as much in his ruling.

    • The Munich Olympic massacre was savage.

      In the process of assassinating the perpetrators of the massacre, the Israelis killed a waiter in Norway and four passersby in Lebanon, none of them related with the incident.

      Prioritizing vengeance over the life of innocents, now that's savage.

  • 'NYT' publishes op-ed saying there are 'too many Palestinians and Arabs' in Israel
    • Black and Whites are not at war in Alabama

      Jews and Israeli Arabs are not at war in Israel either, yet the article says there are too many Israeli Arabs.

      American politicians make constant cause out of the number of Hispanics from Latin America

      Hispanics are immigrants to the US. Israeli Arabs are the descendants of people who were already there before the grandparents of 90% of Israeli Jews set foot in Israel. After having expelled a majority of Arabs from Israel in 1949, claiming that there are two many of them today adds insult to injury.

      Israel’s demographic case has little to do with racism.

      When a prominent state-paid rabbi says that Gentile sperm shouldn't be used to impregnate Jewish women because it passes on barbaric traits, one cannot be faulted for believing that racism plays an important role in Israel's "demographic case."

  • Why Israel is 'singled out'
    • Oh please. That’s nonsense. Egypt has gotten billions in aid from the US for years.

      The aid the US gives to Egypt is a bribe so that the country won't make war on Israel. So that it must be counted as aid to Israel, too.

  • Savage Geller bus ad hits San Francisco Muni
    • It's curious how the Zionists who pushed for the removal of the Seattle ads (which contained no racial slurs), claiming that it was hate speech, not free speech, are now supporting these racist Geller ads on the grounds that they're free speech. Cake, having, eating.

    • OK, here's what I'll do.

      I'll place an ad in the NYC subway reading:

      Between the civilized man and the one who kills little children to drink from their blood, support the civilized man.

      ☪SUPPORT THE PALESTINIANS☪
      DEFEAT ZIONISM

      Yeah I know, it's the f*cking old blood libel, but I think Judge Engelmayer will have no problem with it. After all, it's "core political speech" advocating "a pro-Palestinian perspective in the Israel-Palestine conflict", and implicitly calling for "a change in US policy regarding that conflict;" and, as such, it “is afforded the highest level of protection under the First Amendment.” No objection to make.

      DISCLAIMER (heeding David Samel's advice): I don't plan to run such an ad; it's a reductio ad absurdum argument, for God's sake.

      Seriously now, how can a man with such a large piece of sh*t in the brain become a NY judge?

  • Traveling through the occupied West Bank on an Israelis-only road
    • @dimadok: The small detail you fail to mention is that a large section of the road was built on private Palestinian property. As usual, the aggression (in this case, land-stealing) came from the Israeli Jews in the first place, and the Palestinians only reacted to that abuse. What do you suggest they do to get their land back?

    • It is an Israelis-only road, so it is not racist against non-Jews, just against the non-Jews who live in the territory it is built on. Zionists are very fond of making an accurate distinction between "Israeli" and "Jew" as regards these roads. Sadly, they don't make the same distinction regarding the Palestinian laws that impose the death penalty on those who sell land to Israelis, which the Zionists irresponsibly describe as antisemitic.

  • Stand With Us to run counter-ads to maps showing loss of Palestinian land
    • Six different posters include messages about Israel’s history and contributions to technology.

      And again the Zionists will be using one of their favorite rhetorical devices -- the straw man.

      Israel makes valuable contributions to technology. So did the Nazis. Indeed, jet airplanes and guided missiles, two weapons widely used by Israel, were largely developed by Nazi Germany. This didn't prevent them from committing genocide. And what about apartheid South Africa -- they performed the first heart transplant at the same time that blacks were denied the vote and banned from beaches.

      In contemporary times, China has undergone awesome change to become the world's largest provider of consumer goods, even as it crushes individual freedoms and represses its minorities.

      So that yes, Israel may produce high technology, but that it isn't incompatible with its having stolen Palestinian land. The SWU posters will be addressing a completely different issue than the signs they purport to rebutt.

  • How many of you are uncomfortable with the phrase 'oppression of Palestinians'? In the packed room, just a few heads nodded
    • there was little, if not none at all, collective identity as a people called Palestinians. This really started in the 60′s

      A fairly large contingent of Palestinian Arabs immigrated into Chile in the first two decades of the 20th century, and on 20 August 1920 they founded a soccer club.

      Do you know how it was called?

      Club Deportivo Palestino.

  • The (what about) China syndrome
    • So when people wonder why you can draw from a bottomless well of exclusive hate for Israel while remaining indifferent to any other conflict with much higher body counts either near or far to Israel, they’re not trying to excuse whatever wrongs Israel has committed, they’re trying to understand why your hatred is so focused and bottomless.

      This isn’t about Israel, it’s about you.

      You know, Apartheid was a far more benign regime than those in China, Mozambique or Saudi Arabia, but only South Africa was subjected to sanctions. Would you describe that as "focused and bottomless" hate against South Africa's whites? Would you be happy with a situation in which Apartheid had not been eradicated, because other nondemocratic systems were even worse? Answer that. Would you be happy with such a situation?

      Thank you. You now understand why choosing to focus on one conflict and not others has nothing to do with hate and can have a very positive outcome.

  • Defining 'occupation' with Israeli Consul General Akiva Tor
    • And here's my exchange with Akiva Tor.

      THB: So you say Israel does not occupy the West Bank.
      AT: That's what I said.
      THB: But are you aware that it is the UN that makes the call?
      AT: Wa, wa, wa...
      THB: As a member state, Israel is bound by the UNSC's resolution that the settlements are illegal, and by the ICJ's finding that Israel is an occupying power.
      AT: Wait a minute...
      THB: So that your opinions and wishes notwithstanding, Israel does occupy the West Bank.
      AT: Wait a minute. We must carefully distinguish between the State of Israel occupying the West Bank and the Patriarch Israel doing as much. So what I'm saying, and you will concur, is that the Patriarch Israel is definitely not occupying the West Bank.
      THB: But it is the State of Israel that is normally meant by...
      AT: I think I have adequately answered your question.

  • Israeli gov't study declares West Bank not occupied, Earth flat
    • This paper is also a very good read on the subject of Jewish legal rights under international law to settle and rule over mandate Palestine.

      The paper you link to is a piece of scholarship. Now ownership rights are not granted by scholars (or by commenters on blogs), but by the relevant legal bodies.

      In the case of the West Bank, the UN's Security Council has declared the Jewish settlements to be legally invalid, and the International Court of Justice has ruled that Israel is an occupier in that territory. Thus, and contrary to your claim, the Jews have no right under international law to settle and rule over that part of Mandate Palestine.

  • Deep political differences became the elephant in my therapist's office
    • Had a similar experience with my eye doctor. After participating in an e-mail debate in which I presented pro-Palestinian arguments ane he and other people defended the Zionist viewpoint, he refused to see me for a while. When I needed new eyeglasses he was always busy and could not see me, even when he did have time for new patients; he finally referred me to a young female doctor who had started to practice at his clinic.

      A few years later, when I again needed new eyeglasses, he agreed to see me again, but of course we didn't talk about that issue. Our relationship has been correct since.

  • The country with the fourth largest Jewish population in the world isn't even a country
  • Evelyn Garcia welcomes a debate on US Middle East policy -- not smears and misrepresentation and hate mail
    • The Jewish State of Israel is a legitimate, sovereign nation that I have long admired for its self-determination and generosity to others, including the recent victims of the Haiti earthquake.

      I think you may not be completely unaware that Israel's "generosity to others" mostly consists of sending aid to disaster sites for clearly PR reasons. The giant prison for African asylum-seekers being built inside Israel gives us a more accurate picture of what the country's generosity looks like.

  • Norman Finkelstein's disinformation about BDS
    • The words Finkelstein once directed at Cristopher Hitchens now apply to himself:

      If apostasy weren't conditioned by power considerations, one would anticipate roughly equal movements in both directions. But that's never been the case. The would-be apostate almost always pulls towards power's magnetic field, rarely away. However elaborate the testimonials on how one came to "see the light," the impetus behind political apostasy is - pardon my cynicism - a fairly straightforward, uncomplicated affair: to cash in, or keep cashing in, on earthly pleasures.

  • State Dep't says it is 'not consistent' on human rights violations involving Israel and neighbors
    • It is clear that there is far too much focus on Israel, based also on the abuse of the freedoms they enjoy in Israel fed by their historic stereotypical views of Jews .

      During the Apartheid era, there was "far too much focus" on South Africa, when other countries had much worse human-rights records. Black people could travel abroad (unlike in China); black women could drive (unlike in Saudi Arabia). Do you believe that excessive focus reflected the media's prejucie against Afrikaners?

      But that aside, your comment does not address the issue: the Department of State has one standard for eyewitnesses in Syiria (whom it always believes) and for those in the West Bank (whom it always dismisses).

  • The therapist blurts
    • We anti-Zionists need to stop being defensive and apologetic when someone asks us why Israel and not Saudi Arabia.

      First of all, there's a concept called freedom of thought. I choose the issues I care about, there's nothing intrinsically wrong about that, and it isn't unfair to criticize any one country in particular.

      In the second place, it is absolutely reasonable to become involved in hotly disputed issues, rather than in those everyone agrees about. Why should I criticize Saudi Arabia when there are no pundits, bloggers or think-tankers defending that country's record? It would be a waste of time; we all know the kingdom sucks. It is much more logical to blast Israel, a country about which egregious lies ("the IDF's purity of arms requires soldiers to put their own lives at risk to avoid harming civilians"; "Jewish terrorists did not target civilians "; "the territories are disputed, not occupied, and the settlements are not illegal"; "Arab leaders incite the people against the Jews, but there's no Jewish incitement against the Arabs"; ...) are being told -- and believed -- all the time.

  • Et tu Elena-- Justice Kagan's in Israel, celebrating 'deep commitment to the rule of law'
  • Head's up Mr. President-- Romney's going to Israel
    • "Israel is our home for any eventuality.”
      I have to admit that I have a problem with such an attitude.

      I recall my one and only visit to the Hebrew school in my city. I went there to invite the school to the city's Poetry Festival, where I organized the kids' sessions. As I walked along the corridors, I saw Israeli flags hanging from everywhere, which gave me an eery feeling of foreignness. Maps of Israel and pictures of Israeli cities and places decorated the walls. Only when I got to the principal's office did I see the required Argentinian flag on one side of her desk -- alongside yet another Israeli one.

      Of course there's nothing illegal in their prioritizing one of their identities -- the one related to a distant country -- over the other -- the one related to the country where they live and which pays their teachers' salaries. What I don't understand, however, is why you're an antisemite if you say that they care more about Israel than about Argentina.

  • Soccer's tragic flaw made a farce of Euro Cup final
    • Phil, as a citizen of a soccer-mad country I can assure you that a team being left with 10 men because it has already made all 3 substitutions and another player got injured is an extremely rare event in professional play.

      If anything needs to be changed in the rules, it is the equal weight given to behavioral offenses, like cursing or arguing with the referee, and personal fouls, which sees many players sent off after two yellow cards without having engaged in violent play.

      Other than that, the game is OK as it is. The scarcity of goals is no problem, because it's the tension that makes the game interesting. What's more, the fact that so few goals are scored introduces an element of unexpectedness, because a team that its dominating is rival, but leading by a meager 1-0, can suddenly allow two goals and lose the game.

      Also, the variety of situations in which goals can be scored, and their beauty, are unrivalled in any other sport. Not to get too nationalistic, but if you had the chance to watch the Argentina-Brazil friendly recently played in NJ, you'll have to agree that there's no way a touchdown in football can compare to Lionel Messi's third goal in that classic game.

      Your advice on how to make Americans like soccer more is welcome -- but face it, we're doing just fine without you.

  • 24 Hours in Israeli Custody: The arrest of an American activist in Palestine
    • The area is disputed – if it wasn’t there would be no conflict. You just happen to think you’re right. Others disagree.

      Unfortunately, whether the area is disputed or illegally occupied is not for you to decide. It's the United Nations, through its Security Council and the International Court of Justice, that makes the call. And both UNSC resolutions and ICJ advisory rulings are unequivocal that Israel illegally occupies the West Bank, and that its settlements there have no legal validity and are an obstacle to peace.

      You may "disagree" with international law, but it's still the law. If you don't like it, you're free to ask Israel to leave the UN, or to go to live in the alternative universe where your ideas prevail.

  • Controversy boils over 'New Yorker' fiction parody contest!
    • You mean like in Deir Yassin and the King David Hotel? Oops sorry – they weren’t Jews who were killed

      You're wrong, straightline -- 17 Jews were killed in the King David bombing, alongside with 28 Britons and 41 Arab civilians. In a drive to embellish the attack, the plaque that today commemorates the terror act reads: "To the Irgun's regret, 92 persons were killed." This is a lie. The Jewish terrorists issued a communiqué regretting the Jewish deaths only, which is further proof, if any is needed, of Zionism's intrinsic racism.

  • Israel's education minister leads $13 trip to settlement for 'advanced' Anglos
    • You antisemite! There are no Jews-only roads in the West Bank. They're Israeli-only. The fact that all Israelis in the West Bank are Jewish doesn't matter, because if an Arab from Haifa wants to drive on those roads, he can.

      Now. If a foreign university, NGO, whatever, boycotts goods made in the West Bank, then you're authorized to confuse Israeli with Jew, and to call the move antisemitic, even if your boycott covers the production of Israeli Arabs who have moved to the West Bank. And if a Palestinian law prescribes death for those who sell land to Israelis, you're also authorized to conflate Israeli and Jew and decry the antisemitism of the Palestinian authority.

      So my advice to you is that you read the rules before saying "Israeli" or "Jewish."

  • Peretz says, 'Only Jews will have Israel's back'
    • Nothing about modern Israel suggests that Israel doesn’t understand interdependence. Its economy is global, much of its population is cosmopolitan and its values are largely Western values.

      To the extent that Israel has values, these are not Western. While the West cherishes integration, Israel's housing minister is on record saying that Jews and Arabs are "populations that should not mix" -- something unthinkable in a Western country. While Western nations strive to achieve equality among all citizens, Israel values its Jewish citizens more than it does its Arab citizens. While the West tends to abolish religious interference in civil affairs, Israel leaves key aspects of a person's life, such as marriage, inheritance and burial, in the hands of religious authorities. While in the West anti-gay discourse is increasingly taboo, Israel's minister of the interior calls gays sick people without hardly an eyebrow being raised. While in the West no religious leader would survive after delivering a hateful sermon, in Israel 300+ religious figures have called on their followers not to rent houses to Arabs, and the State keeps paying their salaries. While in the West any form of segregation is anathema, Israel has gender-segregated buses.

      Of course, an overwhelming majority of Israelis reject all these things. But the minority that lobbies for them (i.e. the ultra-Orthodox) enjoy the status of guardians of the nation's identity, and impose its Arab-, woman- and gay-hating values on the rest of the population. This is abnormal and quite non-Western.

  • Sam Harris, uncovered
    • Regarding the glorifying of terrorists, I've found interesting stuff on what appears to be the Irgun's official page:

      YAAKOV RAZ
      On July 26, 1938, Yaakov Raz was sent to the Old City of Jerusalem disguised as an Arab and carrying a basket of vegetables in which a mine was concealed. His commanding officers, who had planned the operation far in advance, did not heed the fact that the Arabs had proclaimed a general strike that day in protest against the Irgun's incessant attacks. When Raz placed the basket beside one of the stores whose doors were barred, he aroused the suspicion of the Arab bystanders. His basket was overturned and when the mine was found, Raz was repeatedly stabbed. The Arabs then fled, leaving him for dead. Yaakov Raz was severely injured, and was taken by the police to the government hospital. Despite his serious condition, he was interrogated by the British Intelligence, the CID (Criminal Investigation Department), throughout his hospital stay. For two weeks he fought for his life. When he felt his strength waning, and feared he would not be able to withstand further interrogation and was liable to betray secret information, he tore off his bandages and died of blood loss.

      Yaakov Raz was the first member of the Irgun to die as a result of an operation. The heroism he displayed, and particularly the manner of his death, made him a symbol and inspiration for generations of young Irgun members.

      In summary, a Jew who planned to blow up an Arab store was hailed as a hero by the group that later became what is currently Israel's ruling party. Can Harris offer any thoughts on that? Something along the lines of "it was our barbarianism, and since it was ours, it must have been necessary", perhaps?

    • A neat exposé of this charlatan. I'll just add that, concerning Tibet, Harris gets everything wrong. China does not occupy Tibet; it has annexed the region -- which is a quite different thing. Tibetans are Chinese citizens and enjoy exactly the same rights as the majority Han population. In a dictatorship like China these may not seem to amount to much, but they include the right to use the same roads as the Han, as well as the highest railroad in the world that was built by China for the region. By contrast, Palestinians in the West Bank not only can't choose the authorities that will build roads on their expropriated lands; they also can't drive on those roads.

      On another note, during the 2008 riots the Tibetans burnt alive at least 10 people, including five girls in a store. This shatters the image of a peace-loving people that contrasts with irrationally violent Palestinians.

      Not to mention, of course, that the Jewish terrorist David Raziel, who killed hundreds of Arab civilians, including 39 at a Haifa market on 25 July 1938, is revered by the state of Israel, to the point that the town of Ramat Raziel has been named after him.

  • Circumcision deaths are a legalized non-scandal
    • Will be overturned, but encouraging nonetheless.

    • I doubt you can substantiate that claim.

      You may want to check this article.

      But atheism is not the province of intelligent people only. It is, arguably, the belief system the human mind drifts towards if not coerced or brainwashed. My two teenage kids got no religious training whatsoever and are both staunch atheists, and as far as I know this is the case with an overwhelming percentage of those not exposed to religious doctrine.

    • I still have not heard a rejoinder to why a ban on circumcision because children cannot consent should not be grounds for a ban on other, much more harmful practices of child-rearing that children cannot consent to either.

      When my parents chose to raise me in Spanish, not in English or French which they also spoke fluently, they made a decision that may have hurt me.

      When they sent me to a secular school, not to any of the religious schools in the neighborhood which were far better, they also made a decision that may have hurt me.

      When they fed me mostly beef, not fish or soybeans, they made a 3rd decision that may have hurt me.

      What do these decisions have in common? They're unavoidable choices. All people must speak a language, get an education and eat food. So I can't blame my parents for making those decisions even if they were wrong.

      However, having a religion is not essential or even necessary for leading a meaningful life -- 93% of Nobel laureates are atheists. And if joining one particular religion involves mutilation, that choice should be left to the interested or uninterested person, not to their parents.

    • But Phil, I think you've ignored the key argument we've been making. If female genital mutilation is demonized but circumcision "is not considered a crime by society," that's bigotry, plain and simple. The American society, and the West in general, is monstruously bigoted against any barbaric practice not Christian or Jewish, and that is part of the I/P conflict, because Muslims are depicted as primitive, and Jews as sophisticated and, thus, more deserving of the land.

      It is part of a general worldview. Thus, primitive Muslims wear headscarves; primitive African women go around bare-breasted; only we Westerners wear the exact amount of clothing needed to be civilized. My sense in my years reading Mondoweiss is that this site fights such views.

      One last thing -- your argument that society does not object the clearly abusive practice of circumcision, and criticizing it won't win us any friends, reminds me strongly of Finkelstein's argument that society does not accept BDS or the 1ss and so it's not convenient to propound them.

    • Sorry -- I overgeneralized. My son's two Muslim friends were circumcized when they turned 13, but after some Googling I see that the timing varies from country to country and from rite to rite.

    • For one thing, Muslim boys are circumcized at age 13, when they can object to it and refuse to undergo the procedure. Hardly the same thing as abusing a newborn.

      For another thing, this has to do with the I/P conflict in that Muslims are consistently demonized for practicing female genital mutilation (which, by the way, is far from common to the whole religious group), while Jews get away with male genital mutilation without the media saying a word. It is true that they also don't say a word about Muslim MGM, but the procedure is accepted because it's practiced by Jews, and it would be disingenuous to claim otherwise. This confirms the theory that America overtly favors Jews over Muslims, which is very relevant to the conflict.

      On another note, are some people here crazy or what? From a rational point of view it is unfathomable to allow adults to deform a baby's body, be it by sticking a piece of carved bone through their nose or by painfully removing their foreskin. The fact that it is our disgusting procedure should not blind us to its barbaric nature.

  • Race, class, religion-- an American wedding
    • OK, this thread has been drifting from subject to subject; I'll tackle but two.

      @Annie Robbins: as a 5 ft 4 in man, I for one am thankful to have been born and raised in Argentina, not the US or Sweden. You went to the dancing clubs and half the girls were shorter than that. In my next life, however, I'll move to the US and marry you.

      @Americans commenting here: although your professed reason for occupying yourselves with Israel, rather than Saudi Arabia or China, is valid (it's your tax dollars that are killing and maiming kids), that reason doesn't apply to those of us whose countries don't donate to the Zionist cause. My reason is more powerful in that it can apply to anybody: I am more concerned with Israel because its human rights violations (evidently far milder than China's) are a) vehemently denied and b) committed in the name of morality. It makes no sense to repeat time and again what everyone agrees about. It makes much more sense to devote time to disputed issues, especially one in which the victim is consistently blamed by politicians and the media.

  • Alice Walker refuses to publish 'The Color Purple' in Israel due to 'apartheid and persecution of the Palestinian people'
    • Alice Walker unwittingly spares the Israeli populace from having to read her shitty books

      It is always amusing to see how Zionists forfeit the right to all independent thinking, and judge human creations, be it a book, an invention or a recipee for a cake, not on their intrinsic merit, but on their author's attitude towards Israel.

      The world must be wrong and Walker's long-lasting success must be the result of antisemitic lobbying. No writer can be good that calls for a boycott of Israel.

  • Tourism in Israeli settlements: Practice shooting Palestinians
  • Doublethink in the 'LA Times'
    • There is no liberty where it is denied to half of the population.

      Interesting how the same phrase Peres uses to describe the situation of women under Islam also accurately depicts the situation of Palestinians under Israeli apartheid.

  • Israeli army OK's attack dogs as 'non-lethal weapons'
    • Figures, giladg... can you provide figures? Indeed, how many people have actually died from rock-throwing?

      But even if rocks were that lethal, you're begging the question in that you're suggesting that dogs are the response to rocks. Not so. Israeli soldiers fire both rubber-coated and live ammunition, as well as tear-gas canisters, and have tanks with which to grab Palestinian land (which is the reason Palestinians fight back in the first place). In that context, the dogs are a minor weapon, but an especially cruel one in view of the pain they can and do inflict. This has a powerful symbolic value, since unleashing dogs to attack defenseless people has been typical of tyrannical regimes over the centuries.

      Also, are you aware that the mista'aravim (Jewish soldiers masquerading as Arabs) frequently mix into the Palestinian crowds and start throwing rocks so that other Israeli soldiers will have an excuse to tear-gas the demonstrators?

    • He was then pepper-sprayed and arrested as well.

      If the Israeli soldiers had pepper-sprayed the dog instead of the member of the village's popular committee, it would probably have opened its mouth and released Ahmad Shtawi's arm. But the soldiers prioritized the animal's welfare over that of the human beings in the village.

      A frequent Zionist complaint is that Palestinians chant "the Jews are our dogs." The reality in the field, however, is that in the eyes of Israelis Palestinians are worse than dogs.

  • How do we make Zionism 101 an everyday reality? Yeah, how?
    • One problem is that the Zionists who come here to "discuss" are not actually interested in an exchange of ideas, but in repeating tired Hasbara talking points and canards (e.g. "Israel was attacked in 1967") and deploying convoluted justifications for clearly indefensible Israeli behavior. When said Zionists are confronted with well-documented refutations, they suddenly vanish, only to return a few days later, in another thread, to continue the cycle of disruption.

      So that yes, the whole process is rather monotonous, but I can't see how the blog authors can be blamed for it. Zionists are given ample freedom to say whatever they wish. It is up to them to say something interesting.

  • Israeli school exam warns Jewish girls not to 'hang around with' Arabs
    • This is not a part of an official exam sanctioned by the State of Israel

      Except that State-funded schools in Israel do have programs to teach Jewish girls not to date Arabs. See the following video:

      link to haaretz.com

      Also, the State of Israel pays the salaries of the about 50 rabbis who have called on their followers not to rent houses to Arabs.

      Israel is a racist state and the school primers accurately reflect that reality.

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