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  • Israel threatened to turn West Bank into '2nd Gaza' if P.A. didn't sell out on Goldstone
    • Not bad, Baruch. Have you considered getting financial compensation for what you do? It's not the kind of information people like to share since there isn't enough for everyone, and you'd do it anyway for the love of Israel, but you could always query for details with the people here : link to .

  • Obama capitulates to the Israeli side
    • There once was a guy named Rorschach who covered naughty pictures with formations of inkblots and then asked people if they recognized the inkblots. Results were variable but good. Often people wanted to buy the set . In some countries he got arrested, which he assumed ment that they recognized the pictures.
      In one country people kept replying "I don't know what it is but I feel the hate." He got arrested too for inciting hatred but the court released him because there was reasonable doubt.

  • Chomsky/Abunimah (the left and Zionism)
    • I recognize Chomsky in Shahak's description. I'd attach more importance to Chomsky's methodological rigidity than his emotional attachment to zionism. The cognitive linguists Lakoff and Johnson have a chapter on Chomsky's thinking in their book 'Philosophy in the flesh'. I wouldn't expect Chomsky to be 'wrong' in his opinions. He makes few mistakes. But I also wouldn't expect him to move from an elegant model with mediocre fit to a different model with better fit unless the first elegant model is proven wrong. The recommended approach then for moving on is to think in terms of fit instead of right and wrong.

  • Goldstone blitz shows peril for Jews breaking ranks
    • I don't have a direct reference but Goldstone pointed out that it was not smart of the Israelis not to present their case. Pogrebin's description of Goldstone as formidable ally is an exaggeration, but she didn't pull it out of thin air.

    • Ok, I get it now. Convinced.

    • Avi, I think the English version is also clear about it being a Haganah cache. I can't read the page with the funny symbols but I'm not convinced :)
      Ran Hacohen once wrote an article about differences between english and hebrew version (link to and I'd appreciate him doing a follow up. Nudge nudge, Ran.

    • Clearly not the same people who are making :)

    • Also a good reminder: It should have been harder to besmirch the man whom Aharon Barak, former president of the Israeli Supreme Court, calls “a dear friend” with “very deep ties to Israel.” In fact, had Israel cooperated with the mission and presented its case persuasively, I believe it would have had a formidable ally in Richard Goldstone.

      Well, there's not much left we haven't yet copied to here now.

  • Frank Gehry pulls out of 'Museum of Tolerance' desecration project
  • Only way to stop delegitimation is to 'sustain personal relationships with the elite' (like Friedman and Arianna)
  • Othman's human rights activities may be circumscribed
  • Sullivan: blockade, racism, checkpoints, militarism are 'betrayal of Jewish virtues'
    • And I'd prefer "a shift towards adventurous militarism etc" a bit more grossly generalized too. There's a shift but it's not as if it's all new.

  • From Hebron to Yad Vashem: Jewish Sorrow Justifying the Sorrow of Others
    • A lot you know, you, you, you…pianist! Ouch! well I deserved that.

    • IZI: “Oh in that case, you can expect a concentration camp and a helping of Zyklon B, or worse, end up listening to rotary speakers, you traitor to the Jews!!”
      There, fixed that for ya.

  • all the stars are out at Tel Aviv march against Gaza slaughter Jan. 2
  • An English politician watches Israeli soldiers lose control at a peaceful demonstration and vows to bear witness
  • Earthquakes and inequality
  • Jews in recovery (or why liberal American Jews might help to imagine a binational future)
    • I should try to spell that out, for my own benefit if nobody elses. Bill O'Reilly is an american rightwing shockjock.
      Stephen Colbert parodies O'Reilly (on comedycentral television,
      it's available online).
      To some extent Colbert can say the same things as O'Reilly, but it's not enough.
      as Frank Zappa liked to put it, you have to put the eyebrows on it. That is to fully develop the cliche. You have to make the framing more explicit.
      Colbert does it for laughs, but the value is, if you make the framing more explicit you can observe it better. If it's implicit it just sneaks up on you.

    • But just in case anyone thinks you are being seriousRoHa, why do people want to know if a quote was uttered by Colbert or O'Reilly before reacting I wonder.

    • Don't congratulate me RoHa, I'm only highlighting what I find. BDS is just terror light. You want to be a terrorist?

    • Ethnic cleansing is such a dirty word. It's forceful relocation to allow the Palestinians to realize their aspirations for self-government.

  • the meritocracy and Jewish kinship networks
    • A small note on bookishness. The Belgian newspaper I'm subscribed to very often interprets things from an Israeli narrative. There's a variety for reasons for that. It also pays a lot of attention to literature, and Grossman and Oz can do no wrong. I think these two writers are huge assets in the 'number one' area(Israel rocks), appealing to bookish people all over the world. I'm not sure if I should blame them but in any case, I think it sucks.

  • I divine the powerful lobby in an anonymous letter. I'm wrong
    • And claiming Zionists can't be liberal is too much like claiming intelligent people who do stupid things therefore aren't really intelligent. It's bad thinking. Intelligent=good. Stupid=not good >> not really intelligent.
      Then I prefer PEP, at least this acknowledges progressive thinking.

    • Nineteenth century nationalism in Europe was about ethnic countries. Panslavism and Pangermanism, Zionism. One people, one country. The US is nationalistic too but it's much more inclusive. Quite different(well, you've got both types there too). Accusing Zionism of being nationalistic is a bit like saying it's just another country like France. That would be misleading. The excluding type of nationalism is tolerable when there's nobody else around anyway.

      Nationalism in its inclusive form also has its pros and cons. It's a glue that's especially attractive when the country can be split in groups that really don't see any reason why they should talk to each other. It's also a key ingredient for an aggressive foreign policy.

  • Israel's crisis
  • 'Take me back to my homeland, even as a rose'
    • I won't deny being deliberately mean at times. Quite liberating actually - as long as nobody's hurt too much. BTW, it's ad hominem.

    • Point took , Shmuel. To the anthropologist in me it's fascinating though.

    • ES is a hasbaraklutz, nanana!
      "But I want to help fight the big fight!"
      "Thanks, it's very nice and we appreciate it. But you'll help us much more by staying out of it."

  • History and Hebron
    • I don't understand Citizen's comment but from how I've understood Leander's writings the Nazis were an evil that can't be compared to anything, and he has done extensive research to back it up. I don't disagree though I believe it's a bad starting point if you want to spot early warnings.

    • Hm, I don't doubt the numbers and the censoring but for the moment I'll stick to my prejudice that there has been little mutual influence between events in Europe and in Palestine. I prefer to minimalize the impact of Zionist acts on the course of events in Europe, as I want to minimalize the impact Nazism had on the actions of the Zionists.

    • The Iranians are ALWAYS worse than the Nazis In a way they are. The nazis are a key element in the national religion, namely all the world hates Jews and the tough state of Israel will protect them. Iran on the other hand challenges the regional hegemony of Israel, and with that, western support.
      But of course, that's not what you mean...

  • A year later, life has yet to return to normal in Gaza
    • Yes, it was unwise.

    • December 26th there was a bomb in Beirut that killed Hamas people. Same day or the next day there were 3 dead in Gaza and 3 al-aqsa people in the west bank. There've been frequent bombings on Gaza since, not killing anyone. I'd leave the Al-Aqsa people out of it for now, but considering that the Shalit deal is contentious(say, because Marwan Barghouti would be released). some people may want to increase tension to make the deal fall through. The other way round, a show of restraint is a sign that you want to make the deal go ahead. This not enough to build an opinion on. It's more the kind of clue you use to search a bit without knowing if it leads anywhere.

    • Quite a lot of killing at the moment from the IDF side. Could this be related to the Shalit deal?

  • Andrew Sullivan gets pushback
    • There are pragmatic reasons to accept facts on the ground , for example with paying out compensation. But. The strategy of creating facts on the ground is similar to the strategy of aiming for time limitation in legal issues.
      When there has been a deliberate strategy to take advantage of pragmatic attitudes I would take as much as possible(which is how much exactly?) the principled attitude as a reference. All claims for limitation are off. The worst response is to upgrade the state of affairs to some kind of moral right.

    • The value of Sand's thesis is it strenghtens the theory that founding myths were created to justify the legitimacy, the morality of the project.
      You could compare the function of the founding myths with the supporting construction used when building a roman arc. It's needed to build the arc but once it's ready you can remove the supports one by one and the arc will not collapse.

  • Israeli television confrontation is 'a metaphor of the moral crisis in which Zionism is found today'
    • That'll teach you not to upgrade to Vista. I stuck to XP.

    • (WJ) My general attitude to the war against Gaza is that it was unwise. When I click 'unwise' I get a dialog asking do you want to uninstall the Zionism application? Ok/Cancel. I clicked Ok and am now waiting for something to happen.

    • The only people that take anything seriously from the Guardian anymore are propagandists and apologists for crimes against humanity like yourself James Bradley. And me!

  • Some recent headlines from Israel/Palestine
    • from the article Some 85 percent of respondents said they would be willing to participate in Israel's public relations campaign and represent Israel while they are traveling abroad. Israelis traveled abroad more than 4.2 million times last year. That's not one proposal, everyone is volunteering - in principle.

  • Look familiar?
    • One of the textscreens in the movie says "this is a story of two countries". which made me vacillate on what would be in the next scene.

  • Udi Aloni to Israelis: BDS is a movement for 'justice, peace and equality'
  • A Palestinian corrects the New York Review of Books
    • Koshiro, there are two angles: what the big players are thinking, and what it means to the palestinians. If I put myself in the shoes of the US , bringing in the Jordanians can help make a Palestinian state more viable, or give it more the semblance of viability. There can be many variants, but as a prototype idea I would think of masquerading a Jordan-supported Bantustan option as an independent Palestinian state.

      I entered a few keywords and got two very recent links to things that I think aren't likely to happen if Jordan would categorically refuse to take any responsibility for the WestBank: electricity and policing
      link to
      link to
      Egypt accepted to build an energy plant to provide Gaza with electricity btw. Barak was involved in that. It's not clear to me what the position of Jordan is, but if they see possibilities there they'll surely not let on, because it's hard to sell.

      While in principle I don't have major objections to Palestine being part of Jordan(but I didn't think about this much)
      I expect the Palestinians would be getting screwed again(or did you think I didn't?) and Israel would be getting off cheap. So it's best to be prepared for people trying to sell the idea in new ways - with Israel doing 'unprecedented' concessions with very real dismantling of peripheral settlements. But certainly keeping what matters most - Jerusalem, maybe the water. Hell they probably would offer as an ultimate sacrifice a part of Israel proper, the little triangle.

    • i suppose I'm not kidding. You're right that it shouldn't be called 'the jordanian option' though. Maybe "Jordanian enhanced independent Palestian" :)

    • One thing is to expose the jordanian scenario, another is to put yourself in the shoes of the parties involved. I think it's attractive to the US, Europe, Israel, and Jordan can be convinced. As for the Palestinians well, make the alternatives worse. The Palestinian police (american trained) were already Jordanian I thought.

    • My feeling that the scenario where a less than independently viable remainder of the westbank is annexed to Jordan is becoming increasingly likely. And the mirror scenario for Gaza. And I don't like it. Very ugly pragmatism but the salesmen can make a good case for it - since it does improve the situation and it provides a kind of solution. Benny Morris made a similar appeal. I suspect this is being actively pursued.
      As for Segev, he's done good things. Not the type who will be critical of Israel in front of outsiders though.

  • Meet the Post-zionist Zionists: Tania Hary
    • It should be a belief system, there's an internal fit that can be very comprehensive while at the same time it seems silly from the outside. Denial can happen when there's too much dissonnance, and there's probably a lot of it now .
      Should one condemn people for only performing averagely and not escaping the belief system? It's also difficult to accuse people of being passive and in denial so that they can get on with their life.
      I just wouldn't count too much on the people on the inside for fixing this.

      I remember encountering the Dorian Gray analogy somewhere...

    • Sammy, I would just imagine someone asking that question long ago. Then flood with justifying myths about everything happening somehow in self defense. Make sure the wars and the occupation don't interfere with daily life. I think many still disapprove of the occupation. But a lot of it can be covered with 'unfortunately necessary(the separation inside the westbank)' , with narrowing down the actions to an isolated part of the population, and neutralized to 'disapproval in principle but nothing else'. It will help a lot to be gullible, as well as loyal to 'your own group'. It's easy to go on once you get the feel. Now that the 1948 myths are starting to wear off, it's time to switch to 'long time ago'.
      Note, I'm still talking about the nice leftist people here.

    • This series has an unfortunate title, sort of ruining the idea of 'postzionism'. I believe that from the start many people were not politically zionist, they just wanted a decent life, and often desired to be a good person, and the main part of zionist indoctrination was just 'but the arabs hate us so we have to stick together but we still wish them all the best they should just leave us alone'. It's nice to see that Tanya Hart doesn't seem to fit that - but of course the system can keep on track while acommodating a lot of nice people.

  • Meet the Post-zionist Zionists: Dvir Tzur
    • “If you know it’s wrong for Palestinians to shoot rockets at Sderot then you don’t wait eight years to retaliate.” The subtext to Israel’s inaction, ... uh. I've heard that narrative before.

  • Putting the anxiety back in Christmas
    • Wild Man Fischer gives some background on his life as a Hanukkah bush. link to . Incidentally, he's barking.

    • I'd go the full hog and put a minature stable at the foot of the tree, and a star on top.

      "What Do You Care What Other People Think?" is the title of a book of autobiographical stories of Richard Feynman.

  • Nakba never ends
    • People don't want to be morally wrong - and they're capable of coming up with the wackiest justifications to avoid this. So you get the following mechanics: the basic concept is "only us", but that doesn't sound right enough. Modified version: we have no problem with Palestinians at all, as long as they leave us alone. "leaving alone" means to be far away. You don't want to expel them unprovoked because that would be morally wrong. This leaves -at least- two public tracks: the nice track is to make it easy and attractive for Palestinians to leave. A poll asking "wouldn't it be nice if Palestinians left voluntarily" will get many votes. The angry track is that you wouldn't use force normally but all the bad things they've done leave you no other choice - it's self defence. Results of a poll then will vary wildly depending on whether these tracks are activated, whether responsibility is taken away. The task of the policymakers then is to take away responsibility.

      There is a huge difference between "only us" and wanting to be accepted. I see no sign of any desire to be accepted by the neighboring countries.

    • Normally Israeli Arabs are not included when polling 'Israelis', and if pollers happen to be aware of this, they rarely let on.

  • We let Jackie Robinson play ball 62 years ago
    • There's a claim about change in companies, that when new people arrive they first have to learn the new environment. Then after 6 to 9 months they start to understand the mechanics and start becoming able to bring fresh insight. After a few years though they're fully absorbed in the company culture and you can't expect much deviation anymore.
      Being immersed in a system for a long time helps some forms of insight, and blocks other forms of insight. Being immersed in Israel for a long time is not very helpful for some forms of understanding about that country.

    • I think you're all looking at it the wrong way. There is a budget for internet hasbara, and those who manage the budget are only too glad that you're not asking for compensation. The word 'freiers' comes to mind...

      The occasional visitor Awamori is probably getting compensated, but he only gets to talk about Goldstone - on every type of forum you can imagine - sounds like fun.

  • 1 Shalit = 10,000 Palestinians
  • Masters on a hill
    • Well, if I put my mayven cap on it's trivial. electrolytic capacitors wear out relatively fast(depending on size/operating temperature). Recapping after 20 years is no luxury. I know cases where 10-yearly recaps are recommended. Some people try to tweak the sonic signature by switching between different brands of capacitors too . The relevance of freudian slips is, if they're loose enough they lower the operating temperature of the organ, which improves performance and increases time till recap.

  • Why it's appropriate to remember the Warsaw Ghetto when considering Gaza
    • In Western Europe the reference frames that are most available as things to avoid at all cost are nazism, and then communism. So it's natural to easily spot analogies with those two cases, and I mean from a point of view of sincere perception, not for namecalling.
      This means
      - the analogies can be too readily available and overused. A richer set of analogies helps.
      - the analogies can be dismissed too easily by using the 'no genocide' argument. Well, then nazism anno 1940 wouldn't be recognized as nazism since no genocide had been committed yet. Or if Turkey had gotten into real trouble with the genocide of the Armenians, causing Hitler to conclude the idea was too tricky. People who use that argument to dismiss the analogy wouldn't recognize nazism if it were dancing in front of them in a pink tutu. Alright, so it's a good disguise.
      - the analogy is heavily loaded, making it unusable in normal discussion.

  • Luddite
    • I blame Hasan's religion for causing him to see Afghans as humans - which is very distressing.
      .. my coat? What do you mean , why are you giving me my coat? I didn't ask for my coat.

  • A Palestinian state is fine just so long as the Palestinians don't declare it
  • An optimistic Israeli
    • In fact their site could become a useful portal.

    • I tend to worry a bit over the value of the Israeli grassroots organizations but my first impression of Grassroots Jeruzalem is good. It's not a 'good zionist' or 'let's try not to fight' agenda . It also doesn't seem to be stuck with the dilemma that Nomi Lalo of Machsom Watch describes in an article by Jonathan Cook.

      How effective does she feel Machsom Watch is? Does it really help the Palestinians or merely add a veneer of legitimacy to the checkpoints by suggesting, like the humanitarian post, that Israel cares about its occupied subjects? It is, Nomi admits, a question that troubles her a great deal.

      "It's a dilemma. The Palestinians here used to have to queue under the sun without shelter or water. Now that we have got them a roof, maybe we have made the occupation look a little more humane, a little more acceptable. There are some women who argue we should only watch, and not interfere, even if we see Palestinians being abused or beaten.'

    • Amazing spin “A man said to him, “We have our boot on the Palestinians’ face. But how do we get our boot off their face, when they have a knife that they are going to kill us witI don't think it's spin Kathleen. It's a core myth.

    • Mooser, you're going to fast for me. Are you thinking of Shlomo Sand here? In any case, my 'no choice' joke is only dressed up as a joke. It's the shooting and crying thing. That is, I'm focusing on the apologists rather than on the likudniks. Imagine a small modification to the Israeli flag, add a bullet top left and a tear bottom right. Now wouldn't that be appropriate?

    • "We have our boot on the Palestinians’ face. But how do we get our boot off their face, when they have a knife that they are going to kill us with?" I recognize that! It's the national founding slogan of Israel: "No Choice".

  • Why we write
    • Have Gulden's mustard sponsor it? I have a feeling Phil's point also applies to an earlier expose on how individualism was powerless against tribalism (was that Danaa?). Individualism also serves as an example for how to act and think, especially when it's using universalist principles. The effect may be too weak, but it's still there.

  • If it was a war for oil, the US lost
    • I once joked about those meetings that big oil kept asking "So you're going in, replace the man and get out. Nothing fancy right? You're not going to try anything fancy?" And then Cheney "Sure, sure. We're not going to do anything wild that would upset the region. We're just going to replace Saddam. It's ok. Trust me."

    • As if Iraq could be a threat oh but if the situation with Iraq would have been allowed to normalize, then Iraq would become a player again. It's legitimate being a player in the region, but of course not tolerable.

    • If it was a pure neocon anti OPEC war , then the neocons lost too. If it was about disintegrating Iraq, the neocons won.
      I more or less agree with v... that control can take many forms, and some of them involve control of reserves, control of pipelines and routes, and control of refineries. The free market cannot counteract all that.
      I prefer the idea that the aim was controlling the region. Then controlling its oil is a considerable part of it.

      I believe that few politicians took the WMD claim seriously. What the claim provided was a convenient excuse to legitimize support. Preferably the claim has some degree of truth behind it, but that doesn't mean it was considered relevant. So when Military analysts would draw a huge distinction between posessing old chemical and biological weapons stocks, and posing an actual military threat. That is of course also why Colin Powell is being disingenious when he claims having been fooled about the WMD . Nobody considered Iraq a military threat. So a find of old mustard gas grenades, we're talking about weapons that existed in WWI, feeds into the 'technical violation' claim, which feeds into the 'imminent military threat' claim, but only as long as you take care to obfuscate the distinction. Scott Ritter did a good job early on to draw that distinction. I recall that Wolfowitz also made the interesting claim before the war that he could take Iraq with what was it, 10.000 or 40.000 soldiers.

  • I-dont-hate-Israel orders demolition of 9 Palestinian houses near Nablus
  • There is an old American proverb: Put your money where your mouth is
    • I've dwelled on the issue of pragmatism before and I use a spectrum(till I come up with something better). First you need a concept of ludecy, which is the ability to know and play the rules of the game- in this case the game of politics. If you don't understand the game and are willing to play it you lose. Simple. The spectrum:
      - game players: all that counts is the game, if you survive and gain power, you're doing right. A bit like economic fundamentalism.
      - weak pragmatism: you do have valuable aims but you're so involved in political survival and caution you're only pursuing them half heartedly, and you regret it.
      - strong pragmatism: you know the rules, take them in account, but bloodymindedly pursue things that matter.
      - principled behaviour: principles trump rules. Occasionally this will be successful. Usually you end up on the outside of the game.
      Obama looks like a weak pragmatist to me, not a game fundamentalist. He did stick his neck out in the I/P issue, aligning himself with the Kadima camp, but without the necessary bloodymindedness.

  • The Israel lobby and the Jewish kings
    • On second thought you'd better cut back on the insulting nouns too I'm afraid. They're easier to process than adjectives, agreed, but they're still problematic and the AUP objects to them.

    • Cliff, I didn't react to this single post of you. Your posts strain my Adjective Processing Device(APD) which has the job of handling the emotional load that's plopped onto content. The device drains a lot of resources leading to unreliable results in other modules. Restraining your adjective count would help me. Nudge nudge :)

    • You're sure you don't need to lie down for a moment now?

    • more than half of the money in Democratic politics comes from Jews Recently someone mentioned the number of 40% . I'd appreciate it if someone could point me towards what all the numbers mean. I'm uneducated in the subject of financing parties.

  • Who gets the stolen mustard?
    • Their posts have a colored background Mooser -light blue colored, because of a html tag problem. The double meaning was not intended. Ah, another fine joke that's gone totally wasted.

    • You should study the concept of overdiagnosis some day. There's even a branch of psychology dedicated to making people overdiagnose themselves. Called psychoanalysis.

    • Hey! Not fair! everyone who replied to Phil got a colored background!

  • Obama's capitulation, the whodunnit
    • Great, homework again, reading Chomsky. I'm not going to be hurried in judging the power of the lobby. From what I've read of Chomsky -not that much and not that recent- I'd say that people who say he's wrong, are usually wrong. I do have the impression though that Chomsky will hold on to a weak theory as long as it's not proven wrong, while there are theories around that are much better. The trick is to use "better/worse" rather than "wrong/right".

  • 'Does everyone hate us? Possibly so' (Why isn't the Times doing this story?)
    • I wish people would work those descriptors a bit. "Hate" is the preferred descriptor of the apologists, because it's more easy to dismiss and to assign it to antisemitism ("I feel your hate").
      The attitude of someone -from the left let's say- who judges Israel in cruel and venomous terms and is intolerant of the apologists, can cover a very wide range. Usually "hate" is a bad match and in the cases that it is a good match, antisemitism is usually a bad match. People should work on that vocabulary a bit.

  • appeal to readers
    • Since the zionists failed to conquer this site with words they resorted to even more devious practices though. I asked the kids if they had eaten the last cookies in the cookie jar and they said they didn't. Which can only mean one thing...

    • I already did - as non owner.

    • This number rule is odd. I looked up a few blogs via google news and some followed the numbers rule, others didn't. Maybe for existing sites the rule is not enforced(and mondoweiss had to reregister). Maybe is yyyy/mm/dd considered good enough too.

      They say the rule is waived with news sitemaps . Maybe since the number rule is not followed google news can only rely on the sitemap and maybe this site doesn't have a news sitemap or there's a syntax error in it.

    • The technical requirements mention a rule about numbers in urls:
      link to
      Articles should have unique 3 digit numbers in the url. This site uses year and month. From the google instructions I would conclude the urls of this site do not pass but maybe it's a borderline case.

  • Obama aide is not post-racial
  • conspiracy theories are like good wine
    • D'oh. and I mean - always skipping the step of plainly acknowledging of the facts - of course.

    • Old hat. Or old cow with old hat.

    • Show me a wine from 54 that's still drinkable now Bruce... (actually, they exist :-) .

      The ease with which the Haaretz article handles this subject suggests that's it's a long way on the timeline of denial (ridicule, denial, conceding parts of the truth while indignantly holding on for the rest .. until the story can be dismissed as an old cow).

  • sympathy issue
    • Morocco has seen considerable emigration of people to europe, jewish as well as not jewish.

    • The Arab Jews were needed, of course, for cheap labor which continued a policy of bringing Jews from Yemen that had begun earlier in the century. The simple fact, acknowledged in Israel, is that Asheknazi Jews are allergic to hard labor. I won't contradict the racist implications but I was under the naive impression that the new state did everything to attract jews from the middle east because the people from europe, who had originally been their first choice, were all dead.

    • In the case of Libya and Egypt it's clear that there have been unambiguous acts of expulsion. It's an interesting idea to see if some form of return could be arranged with them sometime in the future. After all, if they dislike zionism ...

    • I think it's valuable to point out the intensive and unscrupulous effort of the new state of Israel to get Jews all over the world to move to Israel, often not to the benefit of these people. This does not diminish what they've been through. It's also valuable to counter the myths about what happened and to provide an alternative narrative. This alternative narrative helps to distinguish between the theoretical and appealing construct of "the good and very moral zionist" and what it means to implement an ideal.

      I can see that pressing on the theme of voluntary migration can lead do minimizing suffering and I'd be careful about "going there" too.

  • Israelis said to violate another U.N. resolution
    • A thought on the issue of making loud bangs. The occasional report on Hebron mentions that there is little visible damage from the qassams. Because it gets repaired quickly and because they don't do all that much damage. But there's also what happens in people's heads that doesn't just go away. To some extent supersonic overflights achieve the same psychological effect(obviously it depends how far away you are) - but they don't even register in the press.

  • Why does Hassan hate us?
    • Oh please. It's people like you that made it impossible to practice sarcasm on the net.

    • Two additional remarks

      Attitudes of the military about the current wars vary from "teaching them ragheads a lesson about 9/11" to "assisting the good people of Afghanistan to build a shiny new democracy" and the intuition device on my left elbow tells me the mentality at Fort Hood might lean pretty much to the former.

      Fort Hood seems to be one of those places that has become completely unhinged. Dahr Jamail (link to mentions that they're at a rate of 10 suicides per month.

      The idea that I extract from the whole is that while Nidal Hassan has extra reasons concerning Islam and I/P to quit with a loud bang, there will be runners up without those extra reasons.

  • Brian Baird compared his own children to three slaughtered in Gaza
  • Palestinian students describe anti-Arab discrimination
    • Let's combine a previous post about "Israeli companies unwilling to hire arabs who are not graduates" with"universities trying to prevent arabs from attending".
      A good meal is better than the ingredients that went into making it.

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