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I love it when they do that. It makes them look bad without any effort from me.
I suspect the main difference is that Indians answer more honestly.
Lol. In Israel they would have to change the map to show over 60%...
Not that we have seen a shred of evidence that Hizbullah is transferring weapons. But seriously do you know what 'ceasefire' means?
Maybe you should ask the members of the PFLP who retalliated to the murder of their political leader by assassinating Israeli minister of tourism and all-round settler thug Ze'evi what charges the Israeli regime brought against them. Those will probably be the ones that the ICC could use.
"he will risk forfeiting his regime"
How pompous can you get...
Maher is a dick in so many ways, it's not even funny.
First of all: I think she's doing it wrong. How is that Apartheid?
Secondly: So we should punish all Muslims (or all Muslim countries) for what some Muslim countries do? That is how the Israelis treat the Palestinians, so it makes sense for Geller I suppose.
Anyway, by all means end aid to Israel and the Arab world. It would still be a step forward. The aid to Egypt is basically a bribe to keep the peace with Israel anyway.
It's like those Orange parades they have in Northern Ireland to rub in who's the boss. Mixing religion, politics, one-sided versions of history and bigotry with a nice day out.
So what is Mark Steyn, a new-school fascist?
Up to 68 now.
"In 2012, some 22,800 babies were born in Jerusalem, of whom 14,600 were Jewish and 7,900 were Muslim."
Eh, no. None of them were born Jewish and none of them were born Muslim.
How ridiculous can you get? The moment is not far away when journalists start laughing to their faces when they come up with crap like this.
Oh, it hit the NYT now: link to nytimes.com
Did you guys see this? link to reuters.com According to this Reuters article the Syrian rebels, not the regime, are accused by UN investigators of having used sarin gas. I only found it through the Times of Israel of all places, it seems Reuters is burying its own story.
So Israel is al Qaeda's airforce now?
I think it is mostly the regions that were heavily populated at the time - Central America and Mexico, Peru and the other Inca countries - that have a mainly mixed population now.
It is certainly not the preferred solution of the Palestinians in the diaspora.
Jews are not 'now called Zionists'. Zionists are called Zionists, Jews are still called Jews. Jews are fine, Zionists are a problem.
Israel Defense Forces... Never in the history of mankind has an army had a less appropriate name.
In other news, I read yesterday that G4S is going to quit its contracts in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, here's a link to the Financial Times, but it's register only: link to ft.com
Someone else's lemons. Yep, they're pretty good at that.
Not just in France or the Warsaw Ghetto, all over Europe collaborators were killed by the resistance while the war and occupation were ongoing. And during liberation ordinary people took revenge on collaborators by shaving their heads and lynching them if they got the chance, with allied forces not always able to stop them.
The bulk of Shimon Peres is and always has been hardcore BS.
Thanks for this. That whole Femen thing has been annoying me from the start. I never got the impression they represent anyone but themselves.
It's like the guy who kills his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan.
You have to understand the Israelis think of themselves as David. So the Palestinians must be Goliath and Goliath throws boulders and donkey carcasses.
Meanwhile in other news: link to electronicintifada.net
I'm not surprised at all they are pleased that Obama is coming to Israel. That's the main reason I think he should have stayed at home: his visit is going to be widely seen as support for the status quo, by everyone involved.
I fail to see why everyone seems to think of Bernard-Henri Levy as an intellectual. He keeps demonstrating he is a very shallow tribalist thinker. You can bet your life he'll find a way to defend this Israeli move.
That's exactly what I've been thinking, they're doing it on purpose to provoke a response. Then they can point to the absence of a 'peace partner' and all that stale crap that apparently still gets gobbled up by the increasingly useless press.
How, pray tell, would BDS lead to the 'annihilation' of the Jewish people, oh hysterical one?
It's gonna be the first black president blessing racial Apartheid.
It's hard to take seriously anyone who comes up with 'cultural marxism', but seriously do you really think reproduction is the only way to create new atheists? That is the classic mistake I see every time: orthodox Jews/Muslims have a very high birthrate, therefore in the future everyone will be an orthodox Jew/Muslim. In the Netherlands the Catholic Church pushed their followers to produce more kids so they would outnumber the Protestants. That still seemed like a viable plan in the early sixties. Then all of a sudden thousands and thousands of Catholics stopped being Catholics and it was secularism that turned out to be the future.
That's not a collective, that's a tribe. The past, not the future.
Let's make it official and let the president wear a shock collar for AIPAC!
They're gonna get it too: "Secretary Hagel is committed to working with members of Congress to ensure that there is no interruption of funding for Iron Dome, Arrow, and David's Sling rocket and missile defense systems," a U.S. defense official said."
link to reuters.com
Which country is that?
Indeed, this seems like a pretty one-sided, unbalanced affair.
Is it just me or is almost every sentence of that incredibly racist? Or maybe tribalist is a better word.
Cool, I hope they spread these far and wide. I would even help do that. It's exactly the kind of insane hyperbole that makes them look like idiots. And helps make look even more 'moderate' versions of this look insane.
“I define speakers who advocate for the annihilation of a nation because it is a Jewish state as hate speakers.”
Funny, I define a**holes who start name-calling instead of coming up with real arguments and then defend that by coming up with lame-ass excuses and lies as hate speakers.
Please don't use the abbreviation IDF. They're not defence forces. They're occupation forces. Please use Israeli army instead.
Meanwhile in the land of the ICC, the daily NRC reported today that Unilever has moved a pretzel factory from the Barkan industrial zone which is part of the Ariel settlement to an industrial zone inside the Green Line near Safed. Not in response to the UN report, apparently it was moved some time around New Year's day. It says in the article that the French Carrefour and British Harrods were alreadyboycotting the pretzels over the West Bank connection. The article also states there are other Unilever companies registered in the Netherlands that are still active in the occupied WB. NRC is one of the major newspapers, so this brings talk about BDS in the mainstream media here too.
"For example, in 2002, an Israeli F-16 dropped a one-ton bomb on an apartment building in a densely populated Gaza neighborhood, killing a Hamas military leader, Salah Shehadeh, and 14 others, including his wife and seven children under the age of 15."
I was in Gaza when this happened, we went to the scene of the bombing early in the morning at about 6 (the bombing had taken place at midnight). The press had already left, but there were a lot of people around. I remember the smell most of all, the smell of burnt flesh. And the dust that was a building that had been pulverised along with the people in it, was everywhere. The building next door where the neighbour walked around in a daze, locking doors that no longer locked anything out because half the wall was gone. His television was still playing though.
In this article in the International Business Times the case is made that the cartoon is a bit crude and not very funny, but definitely not anti-semitic: link to ibtimes.co.uk Gerald Scarfe's Sunday Times Cartoon Anti-Semitic? You're Having a Laugh
I tried 3 links from the article, none of them worked. The first 2 and the one that says Maan News reported.
Exactly. Reminds me of the fears of white South Africans or the fears of slave owners that still echo in the US.
"I respect the woman and her concerns."
But I'm gonna ignore them anyway.
The proper name would be Likudstan.
Or Settlerthugistan. That's probably more accurate.
Ok, I don't see how Netanyahu can win the elections now...
"The notion that cabinet officials must be sufficiently pro-Israel to be appointable is one of the reasons the rest of the world doubts our ability to evenhandedly mediate Israeli-Palestinian peace."
We don't doubt. There's no room for doubt, really.
Please don't use 'Jerusalem' as a synonym for Israel's political centre.
The BBC is occupied territory. BBC News used to be my number one news site, but now I hardly go there at all anymore.
She's been criticized before on Girls being so white, so maybe it's not just Palestinians she doesn't see?
@Dutch: You have to show id now to buy anything, so in practice it is only for citizens. Which is kinda ironic given the topic of this thread.
THIS! I keep telling everyone that. This is not a freaking toy you just bought, this is a very dangerous man.
Joe Rogan was in the sitcom Newsradio, with Dave Foley, Stephen Root (stapler guy from Office Space), Andy Dick, Maura Tierney, Phil Hartman and Khandi Alexander. One of the greatest sitcoms of all time IMO. Rogan also does standup, but not very well...
The one in the poster can be found here, along with many others: link to passia.org
How she survived it? By stabbing her family in the back and lying to Dutch authorities to get into the country. Best rolemodel since Ayn Rand.
They still do, but you rarely meet any in Western Europe anyway. This whole ritual slaughter thing was meant to hurt Muslims, Jews are just collateral damage, but nobody gives a crap about that. The same anti-religious types who hate everything Muslim, are not prepared to make any exceptions for Jews either. This is one of those things where Europe is really different from the US. Another thing is that gay-bashing is absolutely not done here and gays were among the first to turn against Muslims for their (perceived or not) intolerance to the gay lifestyle. The first populist Dutch rightwing leader Pim Fortuyn was gay himself and would have probably made prime-minister if he hadn't been murdered right before the election.
The German is awful, Google Translate?
If someone steps on her toe it's antisemitism.
They are badly losing in the comments of that Facebook page, btw...
Dutch seat of gov't is The Hague. Capital is Amsterdam. So in that case it's not the same thing at least.
"They were about to have their first glimpse of the City of Gold."
Note that the Gold is the gold-plated dome of the Dome of the Rock, one of islam's holy places.
Sadly, this is the only way to get attention. Forget the news sections, go for the Sports section (ask Sepp Blatter what he thinks of Palestinian football players being held indefinitely), Twitter (JihadiChickenBrigade) or the Guinness Book.
I think Israel would perfer to leave Assad in place. The US position will be determined more by the Saudi support for the rebels than by the Iranian support for the regime IMO. Someone should remind them what happened the last time they helped the Saudis arm Sunni "freedom fighters" against a secular regime.
"On the final day of the Scottish football season, one of the biggest crowds in Europe turned up to watch Celtic FC being crowned champions.
Nearly 60,000 fans danced and sang as their heroes demolished Edinburgh club Heart of Midlothian 5-0. Anthems such as "You’ll Never Walk Alone" and "The Celtic Song" mingled with tributes to players past and present.
Then something different happened. For a few minutes, in one corner of the stadium, a flurry of Palestinian flags flew proudly amidst the green and white colours of the home supporters.
A banner appeared reading: "Dignity is More Precious than Food."
This display of support for Palestinian hunger strikers in Israeli jails was organised by members of the Green Brigade, a well-known "ultras" group who describe themselves as left-wing, anti-racist and anti-sectarian."
link to aljazeera.com
It got a lot of attention from the MSM yesterday as FIFA boss Sepp Mayer called on the Israeli Football Association to speak on his behalf. Today Eric Cantona spoke up too: "French football icon Eric Cantona on Tuesday joined in calls for the release of Palestinian footballer Mahmud Sarsak, who is on hunger strike in an Israeli prison.
In a letter sent to British Sports Minister Hugh Robertson and UEFA President Michel Platini, the former Manchester United forward said Israel should be subjected to the same scrutiny faced by Euro 2012 hosts Poland and Ukraine.
Left-wing critic Noam Chomsky and film director Ken Loach were also among those who signed the letter."
link to uk.news.yahoo.com
The US MSM are noticing now, but only because the head of FIFA, Sepp Blatter voiced his concerns: link to edition.cnn.com
Kudos to Blatter on this one.
Plus they threw in a bit about 'Israel's capital city of Jerusalem'. Not even the US recognizes that claim.
"Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL)"
IL stands for Israel?
Maastricht is very far from Holland. Telling someone from Maastricht they are from Holland is about as good an idea as telling a Scotsman he's from England.
Yeah, the PVV supported government actually relied upon a tiny Christian fundamentalist party a couple of times. In return for that they gave up plans to scratch the ban on blasphemy that the PVV supposedly wanted. They are a rightwing party at the core. The rest is just populism, which takes a different form here than in the US.
I think it is largely because Zionism still has huge amounts of money to throw around at everyone who's willing to support it and Israel.
"Love the title of his new book: “Marked for Death: Islam’s War Against the West and Me”"
Tell me about it. It's like "Adolf Hitler: My role in his downfall"
The PVV is pro-gay rights only in as far as the Israeli government is: it is great for pretending to be liberal, but if you really have to take a stand, then forget it if it's too much trouble. The PVV is pro-gay rights and pro-gender equality on paper only and only because it makes Muslims look bad in comparison.
They're not that different. The Danes and Wilders's PVV have figured out a bit earlier that there's no profit in hating Jews anymore and that hating Muslims is all the rage, but the rest of them, including the French Front National, are following in their footsteps.
As for the Dutch putting the PVV in power: the PVV supported a rightwing minority government of Christian Democrats and the market-fundamentalist VVD until last month, which had a very slight majority even with PVV support, but collapsed the minute Wilders withdrew that support. Wilders sold out on all his supposed 'left wing' election promises, but then decided he couldn't live with the EU norm of a deficit of no more than 3%, even though he was demanding that everyone else stick to it less than a year earlier. Wilders may not have lost support among voters yet, but the 'respectable' right has had its fill of trying to please him.
I'd like to point out here that Holland is not a country, anymore than England is.
Also that bullies always kick the ones who are down and brownnose the ones who are above them. So do extreme rightists. Jews have long ago ceased to be easy prey.
"Israel must confront the acute dangers of delegitimization as it did armies and bombers in the past."
By extreme military overkill that is. Prepare to be bombed to smithereens, mondoweiss.
Link is funked up. You can see the petition here: link to ijsn.net but then if you click their 'Read more' link that one is funked up too...
Democratic you say? Are you sure?
She lied about certain things connected to why she had to leave Somalia. This was at a time when the Netherlands was deporting refugees who had even the slightest inconsistency in the story of why they became refugees, wildly cheered by Ms Hirsi Ali's political allies. She left for the US shortly after that.
Last thing we heard from her was when she asked our national Islamophobic troll Geert Wilders to tone it down. Looks like she's toning it up again...
It's all part of the whole freakshow that is intended to put pressure on Iran and on the rest of the world to treat Iran as if it is doing something that is somehow 'wrong'. It's one giant expanding bubble of nothing and it's straining. Personally I am pretty convinced by now there will never be a US attack and certainly no Israeli attack. They still might stumble into the abyss though.
Could everyone please stop calling him Bibi? It makes me throw up in my mouth. He's not a care bear.
They're already starting to retaliate. A Dutch newspaper reported today that Iranian newspapers say Iran is ready to stop oil exports to the European Union countries by next week (link to trouw.nl) in order to pre-empt the EU oil boycott. The EU decided to start the boycott in July to leave the countries that import the most Iranian oil, Spain, Italy, Greece, time to find alternatives. If Iran goes through with this it could plunge Greece into total chaos...
If BHL is involved this is just another attempt to institutionalize the status quo. This guy is claiming to be some kind of humanitarian but he is actually one hundred percent tribal. Noboday needs this kind of initiative which does nothing more than 'keep them talking' while the Israelis are doing their best to make any talk superfluous.
So now it's 'sabotage' when Israel does it? You know what they would call it if this was an Israeli or US base, right?
I had no idea MoA was back again, thanks for pointing that out. I must have deleted the bookmark after I was convinced it would not return. I still miss billmon...
If the Torygraph says it, there must be some very unhappy conservatives in Britian right now.
I made it pretty clear what I was talking about: 1) The Netherlands, 2) My parents' generation.
That's what the Catholics tried here (Netherlands) to get a majority. I was raised Catholic myself and my parent's generation got a visit from the priest after they had just been married, asking them to hurry up and have kids already. They didn't count on those kids turning away from Catholicism in such large numbers that they are now a tinier minority than ever before.
Just when I stopped believing in capitalism, it works...
It's mostly because the extremist PVV led by Geert Wilders is extremely pro-Israeli. And that in itself has little to do with Israel itself but is tied closely to their Muslim-hating. Muslims like Palestine? Then we'll like Israel.
Holland is not a country...
But it was perfectly clear that the Netherlands would vote no. Zionists are in government here.
It's the ideal ally for the military-industrial complex: it comes with its own set of enemies.
Indeed.
And Israel is holding thousands of Palestinians as hostages.
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Not only that, they were instrumental in blocking a united European position on it.
Meanwhile in the Netherlands we have the most pro-Israeli government in our history (a history of extremely pro-Israeli governments), with a Jewish foreign minister married to an Israeli woman. But he is a moderate compared to the zionist fanatics in Geert Wilders' PVV. The PVV election program mentioned Israel more than the Netherlands itself...
Sloppy? I am sure he knows exactly who runs the West Bank, his son is one of the people running it...
Are you serious? There is no doubt the Iranian regime has killed a lot of dissidents. The Iranian regime still isn't worse than most Gulf countries and certainly still a lot better than Saudi Arabia, but there is no need to glorify it.
But this story that Obama is trying to sell us here (and he seems to be selling it personally), the way it is told, is a lie. There is no clear tie between this amateurish scheme and the Iranian regime.
Here's an op-ed from German public broadcasting that is not swallowing it either: link to dw-world.de,,15458373,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf
Who is America's biggest enemy?
Saudi Arabia. And the sooner the US public realizes that it's supposed best buddy in the Middle East is actually responsible for most Sunni fundamentalism/terrorism in the Middle East and beyond, the better.
Israel is a pretty close second.
Israel and Saudi Arabia are NOT your friends.
This means that Iran is not your enemy either.
Palestinian Gandhi is probably in an Israeli jail as we speak.
So attacking the Israeli army is 'crossing a red line', but attacking Palestinian civilians is perfectly fine?
The Arab League has offered to replace the aid: link to haaretz.com
And the Arabic for Palestine (and Palestinians) is Filistin. Filistini is Palestinian. It's pretty obvious if you think about it.
Wow, that whole 'there was no mention of Palestine before the Romans renamed Judea' routine is such a standard that I've always believed it. It did seem odd that the Romans named it after a people that had not been heard of for centuries, so this makes a lot more sense.
I can't believe the PA thinks Tony Blair ever had any credibility to lose. He lost any credibility he may have once had when he was Bush's lapdog during the run up to the Iraq invasion.
Which in itself is pretty telling about the power of AIPAC...
"You cannot rewind history."
Haha, that is funny coming from a zionist. You whole political philosophy is based on rewinding history.
I think Turkey is jumping with both feet into the huge power vacuum in the Middle East. All these years no country has ever openly questioned the legality of the Gaza Blockade. Not even the Syrians or the Saudis. And here's Turkey filling the void. The US is clearly not leading anybody anywhere and the EU is as divided as ever. Turkey is the first to let Israel know that its bullying days are over. Egypt is getting more assertive too. There was also a report today that Egypt is trying to convince members of the non-aligned countries to vote in favour of a Palestinian state within the 1967 boundaries. Erdogan is clearly thinking of some kind of cooperation with Egypt. In both countries supporting the Palestinians and standing up to Israel is a very popular/populist stance. Israel is feeling the pain of the US decline earlier than anyone else.
Ok, now the Turkish government says Turkey will ask the International Court of Justice for a verdict on the Gaza Blockade. I am kinda surprised that nobody did that before. Why didn't the Palestinians think of this or what stopped them?
It's funny that this UN report gives Israel almost everything it wants and does more damage to Israeli-Turkish ties than a more critical report could have done.
Wow, I am completely blown away by the enormity of the lie. Not a shred of it is true, yet it comes out with so much conviction.
I was wondering why it looked so familiar, I read this article a year ago when it appeared.
No, actually this one is the only one that is a real border and was the border between the mandate territory of Palestine (administered by the British) and the mandate territory of Lebanon/Syria (administered by the French).
As for Hezbollah being 'sworn to Israel's destruction', so? Are we supposed to be all: 'ok, that totally disqualifies them'? I don't give a crap about Israel surviving as a state. And anyway, how many Israeli political parties are 'sworn to Palestine's destruction'? I think a couple of them are in government right now.
And why is it that when Jewish settlers start throwing stones the Israelis always do manage not to kill any of them?
Yeah, they DID march on the border. They did breach a fence near the ceasefire line in the occupied Golan Heights (reported as 'the Syrian-Israeli border' by most Western newspapers, even though not a single country in the world recognizes it as an international border).
Well, I sent my letter to the Greek embassy. Didn't help though, still feel powerless...
Netanyahoo has bought up Greece's foreign policy. That should give Greek demonstrators some new ammunition...
Armed struggle sure got the Israelis a lot though.
Good doggie!
"Apartheid (my personal translation of “Hafrada”)"
Apartheid is Dutch/Afrikaans) for 'separateness', so will do nicely as translation of separation.