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Expert in ME history, politics, Islam and good grasp of Jewish history

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• Fallout of Attack: Egypt launches Sinai air raids
  • vivarto August 11, 2012 at 1:16 am

    I agree with you that Holocaust can be compared with the Armenian, and Rwandan and other genocides. As they indeed were genocides. The Palestinian Arab refugee crisis was not and is not a genocide. It is a very different sort of tragedy. I don't deny that this is a tragedy, and I do wish to see it solved. Where we differ, is that you blame Israel, and I blame the Arab states. Arab states expelled more Jews than the other way round. Yet, the Arab Jews were all absorbed in the tiny Israel without even the UN help. On the other hand the Arab states (with the partial exception of Jordan) did not accept Palestinian Arabs as their citizens and used them as pawns in their strategy to destroy the Jewish state.

    You must try and understand what i am saying, instead of putting your meaning in my words. Palestinian refugee crisis must be resolved as humanitarian issue, not a national issue.
    If it was approach it like that, it would have been resolved long ago.
    Palestinian Arabs never were a nation, and their "national identity" was artificially created, really imposed on them, for strategic reasons.
    Read the quotes from Arab leaders in my previous comments.

  • vivarto August 11, 2012 at 12:48 am

    Jordan is an exception. They did grant the citizenship, to Palestinians. Now they are taking it away from many. But Jordan is the only Arab country to do so. Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, did not.
    You are also mixing two issues. Recognizing the "Palestine" is not the same as granting Lebanese citizenship to "Palestinians" living there.

    The fact that 130 countries recognize "Palestine" does not mean anything. Palestine is not a viable state. They don't have a legitimate government, and without the international, mostly Western help, they would be yet another failed state, of which there are more than enough in the Muslim world.

    In particular I don't see why that recognition should affect Israel?
    Suppose one day 130 countries will recognize London's East End, as and independent country, or part of Pakistan, does that mean that England should cede Part of London?
    I hope not. If English have any ball left, (which is not certain) they will chase out the Muslims from East End back to Pakistan and regain their country.

  • vivarto August 10, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    vivarto is simply a common, gutter-trawling zio bigot.

    Poor Woody, run out of arguments, and has to resort to insults.

    Yes, Woody, anyone who does not share your views is definitely a bigot, with gutter, and zio.

    Now to be sure, I proudly support Zionism, the Jewish national liberation movement. Just like I support the Kurdish nationalism, and the Tibetan struggle.
    Jews definitely need their own state, because the world is full of antisemites of whom you are a fine example.

  • vivarto August 10, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    perfectly reasonable to hate a rapist or a child-molester, independent of who they may be

    When you were saying that, I was wondering if you were referring to Prophet Muhammad, or to Yasser Arafat, then out of the context I deduced that you were referring to the Jewish state.

    The surprising thing is that it is considered politically incorrect among the "progressives" to mention these well know facts about the two above mentioned individuals.

  • vivarto August 10, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    I’m glad that you recognize the justice in the Palestinian demand for right of return.

    Never said that.

    bastards running the zionist entity to agree with us of the injustice of their demonic creation

    You keep using the word "demonic".
    Interesting inheritance from the centuries of antisemitic demonization of Jews. Otherwise there is nothing particularly "demonic" about Israel.
    Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, are much worse in every respect...
    Or think of Saudi Arabia, where girls were forced to a burning school by their "moral "police because they were not properly dressed, when they run out. They all died in fires. Now that's beyond Demonic. Or Iran, where the dictatorship has killed raped and tortured 1000s of young people demanding freedom. That's demonic.
    Israel is relatively nice country, and very tolerant. They allow Christians, Jews, Bahais and Atheists to practice their religions unmolested. They have free press (as free as in any Western country.)
    So I don't share your view of Zionists as "demonic", rather I see them as Jewish national liberation movement.

    and return the land to be a state for all its people.

    I don't see any possibility of Jews and Arabs living harmoniously together in the same state. The only way Jews can live in an Arab majority state is as Dhimmies == second class citizens with very limited rights, prone to abuses at the hands of their Arab overlords.

  • vivarto August 10, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Nakba denial is as devilish as Holocaust denial and should be treated as such.

    The comparison of the Palestinian Arab refugee crisis with the Holocaust is obscene.
    The first is the case of ideological attempt to murder an entire nation. Specifically resulting on murder of 90% of Polish Jewish population. Similar though slightly smaller percentages for Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Hungary.
    The coldblooded industrial scale extermination is indeed unprecedented in human history.
    The Palestinian Arab refugee crisis, on the other hand is one of over 100 similar crisis of the 20th and other centuries.
    Expulsion and escape of 2 million Greeks from Turkey, 15 million Germans from Poland, Czech, Russia, Hungary, Flight of 15 million Muslims from India, and Hindus from Pakistan, 3 million Vietnamese refugees, tens of million refugees in Africa, and of course so often forgotten the nearly 1 million of Jewish refugees from Arab and Muslim countries.
    The Palestinian Arab, during their Nakba managed to increase their numbers 10 fold, more than any other human group in the same period.
    Jews during the Holocaust lost 1/3 of their world-wide population, an 75% of their European population.

    Without denying the seriousness and human tragedy of the Palestinian refugee situation, it is still obscene to compare it with Holocaust.
    Doing so, is a form of Holocaust denial.

  • vivarto August 10, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    I have traveled in Afghanistan, and was not killed. This does not mean that it was safe...

  • vivarto August 10, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    That should teach Jews and all other sensible Western person to stay away from Egypt.

    is this more clear?

  • vivarto August 10, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    By absorbing Patestinian refugees, other countries would have aided and abetted Israelis in ethnic cleansing of Palestine and rewarded them by financing care of the refugees, the cost of which is Israel’s responsibility
    Sure, it is better to keep the "Palestinian" brothers stateless, bared from good jobs, with limited access to higher education, in some countries not allowed to live outside the designated areas. That's Arab and leftist compassion.
    At the same time, the value of property confiscated by the Arab states from Jewish refugees is more than 10 times the value of the Arab property lost to Israel. Arab refugees form Israel received and are continuing to receive the largest per capita international help any group has ever received. Jewish refugees from Arab countries, came with nothing to Israel, and Israel refused the United Nation help.

    However it is significant that the point you are making is that Palestinian refugees should not be resettled and absorbed because that would legitimize Israel. Therefore it is more important to oppose Israel than to help the "Palestinians"!
    You are a good exemplar to illustrate my point. The support for "Palestinians" is not out of love for them, but out of hatred for the Jewish state. 1800 years of antisemitism is not going to disappear overnight.

  • vivarto August 10, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Not enough for a laugh, but a smile. So this Jewish idiot from Canada managed to organize a mega terrorist attack on Egyptian and Israeli forces.
    Hahahha, actually now I am laughing.
    I have a pretty good imagination, but hard as I try, I cannot imagine how he could possibly pull off such a stunt.

    I don't know what to think about his fake ID. We can speculate forever, especially since we don't even know if it is true. Assuming that it is, we can still speculate forever.

  • vivarto August 10, 2012 at 2:20 am with 22 replies

    That should teach Jews and any other sensible Western person to stay away from Egypt. The Egyptian idiots are already suffering from the loss of tourists. Several million people lost their jobs because of that. Now with thin nonsense provocation, they are going to lose more.
    A Jewish student from Canada. What a great idea!
    Surely this will appease the antisemitic crowd.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 10:16 pm with 1 replies

    You are right that the Bedouin tribes in the area are corrupt. But they don't trade in organs!
    Those are false allegations. Not because these Bedouins are too "moral" and would not do such thing. They would for sure do it for enough money. The problem is that it is not medically possible under the conditions.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    Hatred of Israel has become more powerful than love for the Palestinians and their well-being.

    That's only logical.
    "Palestinian nation" is a product of that hatred.
    The period there were many more refugees from other countries, but they were absorbed and lasting refugee problem resulted. Among them were nearly 1 million Jewish refugees from Arab and Muslim countries. Most went to Israel, where they were absorbed, and assimilated.
    Other groups are Hindus and Muslims in India's independence form Britain.
    Germans from Poland, Czech, Russia, Greeks from Turkey (a bit earlier), Armenians from Azerbaijan a bit later. In all of those cases, the refugees were absorbed in the host countries populations where they became full citizens.

    On the other hand, the Arab countries cynically prevented their Palestinian brothers and sisters from becoming citizens is their countries. They prevented them from getting many benefits and bared them from various professions. They did that with only one purpose, to perpetrate the hatred of Israel with the ultimate goal of final destruction of the "Zionist enemy".
    So yes, hatred is the primary cause of the very existence of the Palestinian Arab nation.
    And indeed this is a tragedy, that needs to be resolved.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    or could be almost anyone….everyone hates Israel…with reason.

    No, not everyone, just the antisemites.
    Of course Israel does horrible things.
    However all countries surrounding , all without exceptions do MUCH MORE horrible things. From honor killing and mutilating little girls, to ethnic cleansing and persecution of minorities, lack of religious tolerance, lack of freedom of speech, and wide-spread torture. It is all present in Egypt, Syria, Saudi, Iraq, Jordan, and everywhere else in the entire Arab and Muslim world.
    Now there those who say that hating Israel has nothing to do with antisemitism. But what they cannot explain is why they hate Israel rather than all those other countries.
    The only reason why Israel is singled out is because Israel is the only JEWISH state in the world.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    I have been respectful and expect the same from you.
    No need to put me down, as lacking in comprehension skills.
    When two people have different opinions, it is the time to find the truth, rather than insult each other. At least this is my idea of o sincere conversation.

    From all my research I am not aware of any serious consequences on the general population of the "millions of Palestinians blocked in Gaza".
    According to everything I read, the living standard in Gaza is very good, far better than the median for Egypt.

    Also the fact that they are densely populated has nothing to do with living standard. For your comparison here is a table of population per square mile:

    Macau 73,350
    Monaco 42,143
    Singapore 18,645
    Hong Kong 18,176
    Gibraltar 12,056
    Gaza Strip 9,713

    As you can see, the first 5 countries listed above have very high living standard. Gaza is 6th by population density, and has median living standard, comparable to Mexico, Bulgaria, Jordan, and higher than Egypt.
    They are among the richest non-oily Arab states.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Based on the previous incidents where the jidadi terrorists operated with full knowledge of the Egyptian soldiers. Attacking Israel from the areas right next to the soldiers.
    This resulted in the death of several Egyptian soldiers a year or so ago.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    I did not use the term "begging the Egyptian army", biorabbi did.
    It is true that Israel wants the Egyptians to rain in the jihadis in Sinai, at the same time, Israel does not want them to use this as an excuse to re-militarize Sinai.
    Israel wants Egypt to use their existing forces to get clean out the terrorists.

    The US is the party to the "peace agreement", if the remaining parties chose to re-negotiate it, US will have no problem.
    However if Egypt broke the agreement unilaterally, then Israel would demand that the US to ends their support for Egypt as per the peace agreement signed by Carter.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    i think after years of mubarak the cat’s out of the bag on the military leadership in egypt, don’t you?

    Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 3:52 pm with 8 replies

    then why do they have to get permission from lieberman to police their own territory? several msm reports referenced this.

    Because the "peace agreement" with Israel, limits the presence of the Egyptian military in Sinai. Sinai is supposed to be a military buffer zone between Israel and Egypt.
    If Egypt were to unilaterally increase their military strength in Sinai, that would be the end of the "peace agreement" and the end of $1.5 billion from the United States, and the end of US support, training and cooperation with the Egyptian Army.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 3:48 pm with 2 replies

    They did not care about the warning because they assumed that the jihadist will only attack Israel. They did not expect them to attack Egyptian police and soldiers.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 3:39 pm with 20 replies

    the most glaring immediate repercussion is how it slammed shut the border.

    Can you please explain?
    I simply cannot see why this, in your opinion is the most important repercussion. On the contrary, I think it is almost inconsequential for great majority of the people there.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 3:28 pm with 3 replies

    The point is that leadership of the Egyptian army, and especially with the new Muslim Brotherhood government, is not eager to appear as if they are cooperating with Israel.
    They have a deep seated enmity against Israel, consider the peace agreement disadvantageous to them (as it limits their armed forces in Sinai) and would like to dissolve it. They have been deliberately ignoring the anti-Israeli terrorist in Sinai. They were hoping that after several devastating attacks on Israel, they will be able to pressure Israel to increase their military strength in Sinai, ostensibly to control the terrorists. They never expected that the terrorists would attack them!!!
    In short:
    They thought that the terrorist would only attack Israelis.
    That's why they did not react to the Israeli warning.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Good point about the links.
    Will do from now on.

  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 1:51 am with 7 replies

    Egypt’s intelligence head admitted Tuesday that he received prior warnings of Sunday’s deadly attack on a border police station in Sinai, but did not believe such an event could take place during Ramadan.

    Murad Muwafi said Israeli warnings of the deadly border attack were ignored because authorities couldn’t fathom that Muslims would kill each other during the Ramadan fast, the Turkish Anadolu news agency reported.

    “Yes, we had detailed information about the attack, but we never imagined that a Muslim would kill a Muslim on the hour of breaking the fast in Ramadan,” Mowafi said following a meeting with Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi on Tuesday.

    On Sunday, some 35 gunman stormed an Egyptian border police station in Rafah, killing 16 policemen. A number of terrorists then commandeered two vehicles and tried to break through the border into Israel, where they were killed by Israeli forces near Kerem Shalom.

    The gunmen launched their assault on the Egyptian border guards as they were beginning the traditional feast at the end of a day of fasting during the month of Ramadan.

    Israel said it knew of the impending attack and warned Cairo of such. On Thursday, Israel also warned its citizens to leave Sinai.

    However Mowafi insisted that Egyptian forces have the upper hand in Sinai.

    “This incident should never raise any questions regarding the efficiency of the security forces in Sinai and their alertness,” Mowafi said according to the report.

  • vivarto August 8, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Is that good or bad?
    Or perhaps the question should be
    good and/or bad for whom?

• Palestinian villages struggle as Israeli settlement waste contaminates the environment
  • vivarto August 9, 2012 at 3:21 pm with 2 replies

    No, I don't know it. And I would not have spent the substantial time to formulating and putting down my thoughts on the subject if I thought it was "junk".
    On the contrary, I believe that this is the very core of the conflict and that it is something that is almost never discussed.
    We all assume that somehow in the future Jews and the "Palestinians" can live in peace together and that such peace can be achieved through negotiations and compromises.
    I am proposing another thesis:
    Palestine is too small for a national home for two radically different and incompatible cultures. It is an Either/Or situation.
    You don't have to agree with my analysis, but approaching it with a ready made conclusion that it is "junk", will not allow us to probe the truth or falsity of it.

  • vivarto August 8, 2012 at 1:06 am with 1 replies

    Wednesday, Israeli war planes repeatedly bombed and utterly demolished Gaza’s only power plant. About 700,000 of Gaza’s 1.3 million people now have no electricity,

    Where did you get this information?
    What is the source?

  • vivarto August 7, 2012 at 11:06 pm with 6 replies

    The basic issue is almost never addressed.
    The issue is that there is no place for Jewish and Palestinian nation.
    Only one can exist in this geographical location.
    The long term solution is either eradication either one or the other of the two.
    Now, eradication of the nation, does not necessarily mean killing of all the individuals.
    For either, or both the groups can disappear through assimilation.
    Jews are on their way to disappearing as a unique group outside of Israel, through assimilation and intermarriage.
    Likewise the Palestinian Arabs could easily integrated and assimilate in any of the closely related Arab groups surrounding them.

    Realistically there are no other options on long term.
    Some people hallucinate a happy by-national multireligious state with Jews and Arabs living in harmony. Such imagination does not correspond to any achievable reality, as neither group wishes to integrate with the other.
    Lebanon was an attempt for making a multi-religious society. The attempt resulted in horrendous civil war with 200,000 dead. After the Muslim became majority there, they naturally overthrew the constitutionally guaranteed Christian government. With that, went the glory of Beirut, and the country is in a constant internal conflict between the various groups.
    Jews and Muslim Arabs are still much more different and no integration is possible there for a few centuries to com.
    So the matter is really a preference:
    A lot of people would like to see a world without the Jews. Though they never acknowledge that. This group includes the so called "progressive" Jews, who would to deny that they are a members of a separate people (nation).
    Others believe that there will be no loss whatsoever if the Palestinian Arabs integrate with other Arabs.

    All this nonsense about evil the "settlers", versus the evil "Palestinians" is just surface noise.

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  • vivarto August 1, 2012 at 7:26 pm with 1 replies

    Israel is indeed quite insane. However compared to the Arab and other Muslim countries, it is not just sane. It is a paradise.
    So Romney's statement should be considered relative.
    Compared to Israelis, Arabs are indeed backward.
    Then Israelis, Arabs, Americans, and Asians, are all terribly backward compared to the real human potential.

  • vivarto August 1, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Obama does have well connected and wealthy donor. Plenty of them.
    George Soros leads the pack.

• Netanyahu seeks war with Iran so he can ethnically cleanse the West Bank -- Machover
  • vivarto August 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Personal attacks are logical fallacy, whether I am a "typical gutter-dwelling zio", or not, is irrelevant to the fact that in 1948 there was no "Palestinian-Arab" national consciousness of any consequence. On the contrary, the original meaning of "Nakba" was applied some 30 years earlier when Britain and France divide Palestine from Syria. Most of the Arabs living in Palestine considered themselves Syrians (and many indeed were from Syria, and came there a couple of generations earlier because of the famine and had their clan connections in the North), and considered the separation from Syria as catastrophe, Nakba.
    However I am not saying this to you my dear Woody Tanaka's as I have no expectation of you having any interest in facts. I am writing in for the sake of possible other readers.

    The second point you also missed, and will continue missing. Yes, it was war, and yes, atrocities are common in wars. However there was no "genocide" committed in that particular war. People died on both sides, more Jews than There were massacres on both sides. Fortunately none of them on nearly as large scale that are normal to Arab wars with each other. (Such as Lebanon civil war, where 200,000 were killed, the 30,000the in the current Libyan, and 20,000 in Syrian civil war.
    None of that, however constitutes a genocide, as per definition, as no whole nation, or tribe was killed.
    In any case, don't take this personally. I understand that this amount of factual information is not easy for someone like you to digest, and I certainly don't expect you to.
    I am just exploring the intellectual level of the participants of the mondoweis.net. I have heard a lot about this blog and got curious.

  • vivarto August 1, 2012 at 3:09 am with 5 replies

    "Genocide" against Palestinians in 1948???
    Absurd.
    In 1948 the term "Palestinian" was referring exclusively to the Jews from Palestine. The Arabs were simply known as Arabs, and they did not have any "Palestinian-Arab" nationalism. Most they considered themselves Syrians.

    Secondly 1948 was a war. People died on both sides, more Jews were killed than Arabs in that war.

    Now mister moderator, show some intellectual courage and publish this comment.

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