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  • Ending seventy years of exile for Palestinian refugees
    • The great majority of these people are not refugees- despite what the author asserts. The only "refugees" are those who actually left in 1948, not their descendants, who have no conceivable "right of return." Some of my great-grandparents left Russia for the US as refugees from Czarist anti-semitism. This does not make me a "refugee" from Russia, and I have no "right of return" to it.
      The whole case made by anti-Zionists about the "right of return" is utter nonsense. The Palestinians were offered 80% of the Mandate by the Peel Commission in 1936, and rejected the offer. They were offered 55% of the Mandate by the UN in 1947, and rejected the offer, with five Arab armies invading Israel to wipe it out. In 1949-67, the West Bank and Gaza were in Arab hands, but they were annexed by Jordan and Egypt without creating a Palestinian state. No Israeli government will ever allow any significant numbers of "refugees" to "return," and activists like this author are wasting their time. Harping on this simply diverts from more realistic matters of negotiation. Israel is not going to commit national suicide.

  • Rabbi Cardozo: outlawing circumcision would 'end the state of Israel'
    • This posting is an example of anti-semitism, pure and simple. If circumcision is banned, why not end the right of parents to send their kids to religious schools?

  • Zionists should be excluded from left-oriented protests
    • Yes, adopting this rule would also have excluded Yasser Arafat post-Oslo, the present leadership of Fatah, and almost everyone else except for Iran and Hizbollah.

    • Since excluding "Zionists" from left-wing groups would be the fastest and easiest way to discredit both, personally I hope that this suggestion succeeds! It will obviously be seen as proof positive that the far left is anti-Semitic to its core, and will be compared to the Nazis' boycott of Jews.

  • I'm blacklisted and banned from Israel, but for many others this is nothing new
    • The only Palestinians who conceivably have a "right of return" are those who actually left in 1948- not their descendants born elsewhere- any more than you have a "right of return" to Russia, if your great-grandparents left there because of anti-Semitism. Most Palestinians are "white," although the author wants to change their skin colour (see above). Many Jewish immigrants to Israel are non-white. The author appears to be a trouble making ratbag, who is simply trying to harm the State of Israel and help its enemies- of course what this site is about. How about looking critically at Islamic repression, discrimination, violence, etc. etc.?

  • Struggle for equal rights for Palestinians is 'right choice,' and will lead to 'significant exodus of Jews' -- Henry Siegman
    • Siegman is an 88 year old chronic left wing critic of Israel. He ceased being head of the American Jewish Congress in 1994, 24 years ago. If you look at its website, you will see that it has now taken a strong stand against BDS. What he is saying here is nonsense. First- as with everyone on this site- he is grossly and consistently underestimated the fear, hatred, and loathing generated by Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism in America and the West. So long as this is a continuing factor, anti-Zionism will get nowhere in the mainstream. Secondly, you are also grossly underestimating the impact of the Holocaust on support for Israel, which only rises and rises. Thirdly, Israel will not commit suicide, any more than the United States will hand back its land to the American Indians, or Australia hand back its land
      to the Aborigines. No Palestinian "refugees" will ever be allowed to "return" to Israel (which their grandparents left, not them). Unless readers of this site understand these points, they are wasting their time- at least this is not print media and you are not destroying a forest.

  • If you genuinely back the Palestinian cause, you must support the right of return
    • The "right of return" only applies if at all to those who left in 1948, not to their descendants,
      who are citizens of whatever country they live in. These descendants have no more of a "right of return" than Jews in Chicago have a right to return to Russia, which their ancestors fled in 1890.
      Refugee status does NOT extend in international law to the descendants of refugees who were born elsewhere. No
      Israeli government would ever agree to any Palestinians returning. If Palestinian advocates want to go without an independent country for another 70 years, advocating a general "right of return" is a surefire way of guaranteeing it.

  • No, Rachael Ray, hummus is not Israeli: How and why Palestinian culture gets erased
    • Hummus is not a "Palestinian" dish. The first known recipe for it was written in Cairo c. 1200. It was a staple dish of Sephardic Jews for centuries. The Israelis did not "steal" it from the Palestinians.

  • A party for Jewry's phantom limb
    • The Bund may have been "the model of secular Jewish identity without separatism," but, unfortunately, the countries they were living in were not- Poland in 1918-39 was systematically anti-semitic, with Jews discriminated against at all levels of society. Virtually every central and eastern European state (except Czechoslovakia) enacted anti-semitic legislation, quot systems, etc. during the inter-war period. The Bund continued to live in a fool's paradise. The Zionists obviously had a better grip on reality.

  • Jewish Historical Society channels Joe McCarthy, and cancels JVP event on Balfour
    • The AJHS was absolutely correct in cancelling these speakers, who should never have been allowed to speak there. This body exists to facilitate research on American Jewish history- period. It would have been perfectly proper for it to host talks on supporters of the Balfour Declaration among American Jews, or opponents of it- it is hard to believe that they haven't had talks on these subjects. What they were proposing was to host two extremist, one-sided propagandists, one of whom (according to websites) is an overt anti-semite, to denounce the legitimacy of Israel. This is a totally inappropriate use of the AJHS's facilities and venue. If the new head of this body, a critic of Israel, is responsible for this, he ought to be fired on the spot. I hope that donors to the AJHS will make this crystal clear.

  • The United State of Israel and Palestine
    • Your plan is not going to happen. Israel is not going to commit suicide. You might devote your energy to achieving something more likely to happen, like turning base metal into gold by waving a magic wand.

    • What is described in this article is what the Palestinians were offered by the UN in 1947- the Palestine Mandate divided into 2 states, Jewish and Arab, with Jerusalem internationalised and an economic union between the two states. Ben-Gurion accepted this; the Mufti of Jerusalem, Hitler's good buddy, the leader of the Palestinians at the time, rejected it, and got five Arab armies to invade Israel, with dire results for themselves. It is unlikely in the highest degree that this outcome is going to happen today, 70 years later, or any time soon. The Israelis are not going to court suicide by creating a Palestinian state that would probably be ruled by Hamas.

  • As many as 1 million Israelis have left for the U.S.
    • Tell all that to the Jihadists- your message is more relevant for them.

    • Monthly, precise figures about the numbers of births and deaths in Israel, by religious and ethnic group, are readily available online- look up Israel-Demography- Dept. of Statistics. They are certainly very accurate- more accurate, probably, than similar figures for the US. You will see the very high growth rate for Israel's Jews. This is not only because the birth rate is very high, but also because the death rate is very low- the Israeli lifespan is among the highest in the world- for males, I think it is the highest in the world.

    • Some other comparisons which might be useful, in the context of the original claims in this thread. The populations of Israel and Jordan are almost identical: Israel 8.5 million, Jordan 7.9 million. The GDPs (Gross Domestic Products) of these two countries are as follows (from International Monetary Fund statistics 2016, online): Jordan $39 billion, Israel $318 billion. The population of Egypt is 96 million, eleven times that of Israel, Its GDP in 2016 was $332 billion, barely larger than Israel's. In fact, the economic and demographic growth of Israel, especially during the past 15 years or so, has been one of the most impressive in the world, although under reported, and completely distorted on hostile sites like this one.

    • If Israel's immediate neighbors were Sweden, Denmark, and Canada, there would obviously have been a peace treaty many years ago. Sadly, these are not Israel's neighboring states. Nor was there a Palestinian state before 1967, when the West Bank and Gaza were in Arab hands- the West Bank was annexed by Jordan, Gaza was administered by Egypt. No one mentioned the millions of people who had no voice in their governments then. By the way, if there had been no 1967 War, what do you think the response of Egypt and Jordan to Palestinian nationalism would have been? It would obviously have been brutal, and would have made the response of Israel look like the vicar's tea party.

    • Contrary to what is asserted here, the Jewish population of Israel is the fastest growing Western population group in the world, and one of the only Western population groups which is above the replacement level, i.e., that it will grow by natural population growth, even without further immigration. This is in part because of the Charedi population, but the growth pattern also exists among the non-Charedi population. According to demographers, by the 2050s the Jewish population of Israel will reach 14 million, and the total population of the country (pre-1967 boundaries) will be 18 million. As to Israelis in the US, according to one website (which gives precise statistics) there are 213,000 speakers of Hebrew in the US. There are 7 million US citizens living outside the US, so this seems pretty normal, since it includes college students, visitors, etc.

  • AUB Limited
    • Qualtrough- You might tell me which of their donors won't contribute or threatened not to contribute unless Salaita was sacked. Which ones?
      The claim that an academic lost his job at an Arab university in Beirut because he was too pro-Palestinian and too anti-Zionist is just plain preposterous.
      In probably 98% of cases where an academic loses his job, is not given tenure, or isn't promoted, there are two reasons- no money, or the academic hasn't published enough.
      PS- Did you murder Julia Wallace?

    • Possibly you might wish to name the "influential donors" who did this. Name names. I would be very interested to see your list.

    • Sounds like paranoia. If the AUB is under Zionist influence/control, how was he hired in the first place? They knew why he had to leave Illinois, so why did they hire him? Nor does he explain the nature of his contract- tenure-track or not, full time or not, or who voted on keeping him. Was there a committee? The notion that "Zionists" are in control of a university in Beirut would be laughably idiotic, if it did not come straight from the "Jews control the world and also poison the wells" variety of anti-semitic nonsense.

  • Israel would use nuclear weapons to keep refugees from returning -- Noam Chomsky
    • No group of refugees has been allowed to return en mass. In 1947, 10-15 million Hindus and Muslims living in the "wrong" part of India and Pakistan upped and went to the other country as refugees. None has been allowed to return, and won't be. By the way, it was the Muslims of British India who wanted a separate state (Pakistan), which has no historical precedent whatever, while it was the Muslims in Palestine who opposed Partition. In 1946-7, 3 million Sudenten Germans were kicked out of Czechoslovakia by Benes, the democratically elected PM, and haven't come back. What distinguishes the Palestinian case is that they settled largely in areas that were specifically supposed to become an independent Palestinian state, as part of the UN Partition plan. This is constantly obfuscated by leftists and anti-Zionists. They were supposed to settle there. No Palestinian state came into existence in 1947-8, not because of anything the Israelis did, but because the West Bank area was grabbed by Jordan and became Jordanian territory, and the Gaza area was grabbed by Egypt. If there had been a Palestinian state in 1948, there would not have been a conflict, or a war in 1967. As to zillions of Palestinians settling in Israel, Chomsky is correct: Israel would do literally anything to prevent it. They are not going to commit national suicide. It ain't gonna happen, ever. They would be a permanent, seething Fifth Column of subversives within Israel who would be perpetually disloyal to their new country. The sooner their extremist supporters forget about this, the sooner there might be a real compromise peace.

    • Whatever is said about Palestinian refugees on this site (and dozens of others), the overwhelming majority of Palestinians are not refugees, only those who actually fled in 1948, not their descendants. If a young Jewish couple fled from Nazi Germany after Kristallnacht in 1938 and came to America, they would certainly be considered refugees. But if they had children in America- say a boy born in 1946 and a girl born in 1950- the children would not be "refugees," just Americans. Their children, born in the USA say in the 1970s and 1980s, are obviously not "refugees," and have no more right to "return" to Germany than to Outer Mongolia. They may well have a right to reclaim property that was left behind in Nazi Germany, but that's all. Exactly the same thing applies to the Palestinians. The only Palestinian "refugees" are those who fled in 1948. If around 650,000 Palestinians fled at the time, probably no more than 25-50,000 are still alive, with their numbers decreasing all the time. A 25 year old who fled in 1948 would be 94 today. Their descendants born outside of Israel are not refugees and have absolutely no right to "return" to Israel, which in any case is absolutely impossible politically. They may well be entitled to compensation for property left behind, but so, too, are the one million Sephardic Jews who were kicked out of the Arab/Islamic world after 1948, most of whom now live in Israel.

  • 'Irreplaceable bedrock' of U.S. backing for Israel is threatened by -- intermarriage
    • Israel isn't doing this. It has no need to. Muslim Jihadists and their supporters in the West are making tens of millions in the West hate them, very effectively.

    • Another point to keep in mind is the deep hostility throughout the West, esp. in the US,
      towards Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism. So long as Israel appears to be threatened by Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. etc., it will automatically have the support of millions in the West. Every Islamic act of terrorism and suicide bombing increases the instinctive support for Israel among millions of people.

    • Freilich must have been asleep for the past 30 years if he think that Israel's "isolation has increased." Israel now has close relations with India, China, Russia, and all of the former Soviet satellites. Compare with say 1975: Israel had no diplomatic relations with the USSR, its satellites except Romania, or China, and only nominal relations with India, dominated by the pro-Arab Congress Party. At the time, the USSR was the world's foremost expositor of anti-semitism and anti-Zionism. Today, Putin does everything but fast on Yom Kippur. Israel has diplomatic relations with 6 or 7 Arab states, and a de facto alliance with Egypt and Saudi Arabia, which everyone knows about. There is zero evidence that any Western state has weakened in its support for Israel. He is also failing to note the ever-increasing centrality of the Holocaust in Western consciousness. Of course Israel would be better off without US foreign aid- as its economy grows, maybe it should be giving aid to the US.

  • Clinton lost because PA, WI, and MI have high casualty rates and saw her as pro-war, study says
    • This argument is crap from A to Z. Since 2001 there have been exactly 6867 deaths of US soldiers in conflict situations,in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere, including non-battle deaths. How many were in Pa., Wis., and Michigan? Maybe 750, at most? Trump carried Pa. by 44,292 votes, Wisc. by 22,748 votes, and Michigan by 10,704 votes. Assuming that the deaths had the effect the authors claim- without producing any evidence that it did- it is obvious that the war deaths could have had only a microscopic effect on the outcome. Probably there were more war deaths in California than in any other state, but Clinton carried Cal. by four million votes. How do the two clowns who wrote the article explain that? Of course they are not clowns- they are left-wing propagandists, and Mondoweiss is one of the few sites where they could publish.

  • Senator on Intelligence Committee says Jews in Diaspora are spies for Israel
    • Montagu died in 1925. Give me a break. Do you really think that he would have the same views in 2017, if he were alive, as he did 95 years ago? With knowledge of the Holocaust and of the successful establishment of Israel? British Jews who look to Israel no more have dual loyalties than British Muslims do who visit Mecca.

  • New York rabbi links Jewish Voice for Peace to Osama bin Laden and Assad
    • This is about one rabbi in NYC. There are literally hundreds of rabbis in New York, maybe more. Are they running scared by BDS? Well, last week the US Senate passed a resolution condemning the UN for its one-sided criticism of Israel. The vote was 100-0. It couldn't be 101-0, since there are only 100 Senators. If there was a vote in the US Senate on whether 2 +2= 4, it would probably pass by only a majority of 97-3. Every Senator voted to condemn the UN re Israel, including the left-liberals like Sanders and Warren. And it's not election time for eighteen months.

  • More than a feeling: Jews and whiteness in Trump’s America
    • You are ignoring the importance of the creation of Israel in this process. Much modern anti-semitism stemmed from the fact that Jews had no country, and were seen as parasites and unwelcome guests wherever they went. They had no army and weren't masculine, and had no farmers rooted in the soil, but plenty of bankers, lawyers, leftwing intellectuals, and so on. The creation of Israel in 1948 has, over time, completely changed this image, especially given how it has successfully fought many wars and knows how to deal with terrorists while maintaining its historical traditions. It is now admired by the political right and hated by the left- the reverse of the previous situation- and this has affected the image of Jews worldwide.

  • Israel's neverending occupation is bringing 'infamy' to Jews worldwide, making Jewish life 'precarious' -- Tony Klug
    • The statement above that in 1977 "Israel's support was rock solid and growing" is patently false. In 1975 the UN General Assembly declared that "Zionism was a form of racism." (This was repealed in 1991). Israel had no diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union or its satellites (except Romania), which was sytematically persecuting its Jews, or with China. It had diplomatic relations with India of thse most nominal kind. It had no diplomatic relations with any Arab country or with the PLO, all of which refused to negotiate with Israel. Today, Russia and China have warm relations with Israel, and Israel is a close ally of India, especially with a BJP government. It has diplomatic relations with Egypt, Jordan, the Gulf states, etc., and with the Palestinian Authority. The de facto alliance between Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia is basically propping up the Middle East. The only country where relations with Israel have dramatically worsened since 1977 is, of course, Iran, because of the Khomeny revolution of 1979, just as relations between Iran and the US and Europe have gone down the drain.

  • Breaking the cycle of violence and inequality: an end to individualism and the hope in collaboration
    • There's cooperation in baseball, but not in tennis, golf, or chess!
      Baseball players cooperate as a team, but the MVP makes a lot
      more money than the substitute catcher.

  • John Kerry picked the wrong timeline for the Jewish state
    • After January 20, what Obama or Kerry think about anything will be as relevant as Chester A. Arthur's famous State of the Union Address of 1883- which, of course, every schoolboy and girl knows by heart, and has been translated into 34 languages.

  • John Kerry gives the 'separate but not equal' speech to Israel
    • In three weeks, you will have an American President who makes Netanyahu look like a liberal on the settlements, plus a Congress which will back him up. Kerry's strange speech, and the preceding even stranger UN vote, will do nothing except leave a bad taste in many mouths and make even its supporters ask why this didn't come eight years before.

  • Breaking: UN Security Council passes historic resolution against settlements as two-state solution 'slips away'
  • It is time to imagine how one state-- one person, one vote-- will work
    • Apart from anything else about this totally unrealistic proposal, the authors are saying
      that Jews can settle anywhere they want in the area of Mandate Palestine, including
      the West Bank and Gaza. Presumably the 300,000 or more settlers already in the West Bank
      can stay there, and be joined by hundreds of thousands of others.

  • Many leftwing Israelis are leaving the country -- 'Forward' breaks an important story
    • Check the Israeli population statistics to see if you are right. The Jewish population of Israel is actually the fastest growing of any population group in the Western world. The article here said that two people, possibly three, have left Israel, one of whom is a Palestinian. Obviously, the author is not a mathematics professor.

  • BDS victory in Mennonite Church Canada
    • The "moderates" haven't "left/been driven out" of Israel- they have simply lost elections. This may well happen in the US in November. As for Israel being a "settler-colonial country," now why don't you give your house back to the American Indian tribe you stole it from? Put your money where your mouth is. And the US wasn't formed because the UN voted it onto existence- but Israel was. The American Indian tribes weren't asked if they wanted the white man there, and they weren't compensated. How can you bear to live even one more day in stolen property?

    • The Mennonite Church of Canada is another microscopically small, left-leaning church in sharp decline. According to its website, it has 31,000 members- less than one-tenth of one per cent of Canada's population. That's typical of the churches which have endorsed bds- small sects with sharply declining memberships, where the moderates have all left- usually because of the church's liberal stance on same-sex marriage-and only the leftists remain.

  • Presbyterian and UU breakthrough votes on Palestine
    • The Presbyterian Church (USA) (its official name) is literally dying in front of one's eyes. Its membership decreases by over 50,000 per year- check out the figures on its wikipedia entry, given year by year- it loses 5% of its membership every year, and expects to lose 500,000 more members by 2020. It has only about half the number of members it had in the 1990s. It has been taken over by the Loony Left, on this and many other issues, and hundreds of thousands of its moderate members have voted with their feet to leave. You will find that all of the liberal Protestant anti-Israel churches are shrinking like a wet sock, and may well disappear within a generation.

  • Dreamspace in Jerusalem
    • The author should give her house in Chicago back to the American Indians she stole it from. How can she bear to live for even 24 more hours in stolen property? She and her family had absolutely no connection with Chicago probably before 1910 at the earliest, maybe 1990, yet she insists on squatting in property she took from some wretched Indian tribe whose ancestors lived there for 50,000 years. What hypocrisy!

  • 'This is where we are, and we are not leaving here' — Notes from BirthWrong
    • Pardon me, but the Jews were kicked out of Spain in 1492. It is precisely because endemically anti-semitic governments could do this to their Jewish populations that Israel was established.

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