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WeAreAllMadeOfStars
I live in Europe, I've been following the I/P conflict for about 12 years. I went to Palestine just before Intifada II
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@ Theo : I second your post and especially like that one : Israel building a state on such nonsense is a crime against humanity and intelligence.
@sydnestel : You are certainly right, but in the meantime the high knowledge shown by some posters or their references to their Jewishness tend to indicate that they take their religion seriously.
I have already noticed that before and just like Theo I find this very surprising.
"a mass invasion by the Egyptian people" ? I don't think so ... I have never witnessed the IOF caring for goyims' blood. Remember last year when they didn't hesitate to shoot unarmed protesters at the border.
Egyptians are great people but in don't think they would martyr en masse for Palestine
The sieged mentality now prevailing would allow Israel to bring desolation and wanton destruction all over the places (Cairo, Beirut, South Lebanon) without any kind moral restriction (yeah the most moral army in the world canard) and with the help of the Western World (I am so ashamed to be part of).
Israel would be presented as the "villa in the jungle" and the victim. We know they excel at that and our politicians are too willing to be on the Israeli side.
Last, some Jews would flee no doubt ... But how many would go? Don't forget that last September the French Betar was ready to set up an armed militia to help the settlers. And after a while, how many Jews would return in a new Greater Israel where the emptied land would need new forces ?
"Has anybody else had this nightmare…????"
I must have read it somewhere between the lines and it is also an uncomfortable feeling I share.
I don't believe Israel would attack Iran for the nuke. Just like you, I think the whole idea is to destabilize the entire area and get rid of the whole Arab population inside Israel proper and the OT. Iran would certainly retaliate to any attack but even without being an expert in the matter, I don't think they could really do much harm to Israel.
Add to this the fact that our puppet governments would do all they can to help Israel in any way they can in these "difficult time", including turning a blind on the final ethnic cleansing of Palestine. This is also where organized and state-sponsored islamophobia is leading us. Few would care for those Iranians or Palestinians, they're all islamists after all.
Thank you Annie for this story, although I now feel so sick
They've got the guns but we've got the number ... I've always linked this lyric to Palestine ... Happy to read it on Mondo ... Gonna win yeah
Chris why use "jihad" to describe Dershowitz' actions ... I m sure you did not mean it as a reference to Islam/Muslims but still I find it fully inappropriate ...
"Let us know when Jews living in Palestine or Palestinians living in Israel can join the PLO"... sure : now
If you haven't heard from Uri Davis, read this link to en.wikipedia.org
"One, We love you..." That's the right thing to tell them but I don't think this will happen before a much more needed "We apologize" from them.
"Pro-Palestinian hackers suspected of infiltrating websites of three high street banks, El Al and Tel Aviv exchange"
As the great Jim Morrison would sing : They've got the guns but ... we've got the number" ... and this number keeps growing.
Taxi, I had to read your post twice since I never believed I would once disagree with you ... but sadly this day has come. There's no real challenge to Tripoli's (Lebanon) sweet ...
OK I admit, I'm a Tripoli's baklava fanboy but I swear next time I go South, I'll taste those your recommend.
"inferior lebanese baklava" ... I will definitely report that comment ;-)
That said, this stealing of Arab food recipe also occurs in the French Larousse of International recipe where hummus is also to be found under Israel ...
Marc, please give Tripoli's baklava a try ...
Hopmi, I'm glad you're glad ...
South Africa !!... or at least tried very hard to ... You will not ask for proof will you stupidracist
Dumvitae, you are being too kind. With some sarcasm, I way prefer :" Better off if Mars is not livable, Israel can have it, they all can go up there"
Le Musée de l'Elysée is a very famous museum in Lausanne, since I live nearby this city and am un ami du Musée de l'Elysée, I'll watch this closely. Elysée is the same name of the famous Paris avenue -> Avenue des Champs Elysée
"I hope Sansour takes up the Musée de l'Elysée offer to show her photos in a solo exhibition and she becomes a madly famous photographer on the world stage."
So do I
What a revolting article ... As much as the settler entreprise should be ended, this man should face trial for hate speech and incitement.
If anyone believe in justice for all, then the settlers should indeed be evacuated and fully made to pay for what they've done to the Palestinian people. Calling for thugs (whoever they are) to be shot is obscene.
Next : "a persecuted minority in a sea of haredim, fanatics, Arabs and parasites." I mean, I nearly fell off my chair. That alone tells it all about this IDF general.
I fear (I know?) this must be the school of thought at the IDF and likely in the Israeli public as well.
The zionist boat is sinking, but we must not let it sink in a sea of blood.
1) Mr President can you look at yourself in a mirror and not be disgusted ?
2) Ever thought of refusing/returning your Nobel Prize ?
3) Did you sleep well after the Qana massacre ?
4) Did you ever go through a checkpoint ?
5) Did you ever walk the Suhada street ?
6) Would like to buried in Marmilla cemetery ?
7) How does it feel like to be applauded the world over for your achievements when in fact you perfectly know that what you "achieved" is an awfully racist, supremacist, ill-fated state ?
8) Have you got any idea of what the occupation is all about and as you probably do why don't you do anything to stop it ?
Richard, can't you read ... Phil says 8 questions not 9 ... Just kidding but I couldn't resist. Good questions though.
Why start again something that should not even have happened in the first place ?!?
Well, basically that is what I'm saying ... They've already lost their heart and soul, they won't be able to sustain their brutal occupation and apartheid regime for long
Taxi, I understand your feeling and somehow I guess I share part of it. In the meantime we all know violence only brings more violence.
What we wish for Mustafa's family and the Palestinian people at large is peace. Peaceful demonstrations will again be met with lethal violence by the Israeli thugs but at the end of the day they'll lose everything.
As much as darkness does not exist, it is the absence of light, hate does not exist either, it is the absence of love and metaphorically the absence of light. I believe that in the end we will all see that the light unto the nation is ... Palestine.
Mes pensées vont à ses proches et à toutes sa famille
You mean located on stolen Palestinian land don't you
Guess you are joking. I would agree when referring to BS only but totally disagree when it comes to Sinead O'Connor or Annie Lennox.
Both have great voices and stood in support of Palestine ...
With all due respect to you Postherd2 ... No he shouldn't. Why the hell should he pollute Palestine whereas he should be at least fined in the US ...
today
"It's beyond disgusting" ... That sums up how I feel like. Sort of suffocating ...
Sadly excellent POA ... I love this kind of writing
Notice today's Haaretz' main headline :
*UN rights chief urges Israel to 'protect Palestinian civilians' from settler attacks
* Netanyahu seeks to legalize outposts built on private Palestinian land
* Top archaeologist decries Jerusalem dig as unscientific 'tourist gimmick'
* Mea She'arim to ban women from certain Jerusalem streets during Sukkot
If you have any doubt, check this out :
"There is place only for one state on the land of Israel …. I do not believe in a two-state solution"
Dany Danon in an interview with Al-Jazzeera on August 5
link to english.aljazeera.net
Disagree Seafoid ... I think he does a fantastic job and to be sure I really regret he's not going to the UN.
He indeed does a fantastic job exposing zionism in all his nakedness and he's extremely competent at that. Together with stubborn-bibi they are on a permanent show. Compare their attitude with "Nobel prize winner murderer and hypocrite" Peres or "war criminal charming" Livni. The two have probably more blood on their hands than the actual Duo and they are way more dangerous on PR field than the tristes sires that currently lead Israël.
Now sure Seafoid, if I was a zionist or an Israeli I would agree with you (I usually do though :-)
I did not realize that the US "ambassador" (or the "US" ambassador) had to take a loyalty oath to the Jewish and democratic state of Israel ...
On a side note, it's kinda funny to think that a country with an occupied government is going to use its veto power against a government of an occupied country ... and all because of the same third party ...
Spot on !!
With all due respect and a smile Seafoid : Even if it was in the Torah (or any other such books) it would not make the claim more serious would it
Imagine that ! Israelis refusing to blow out entire neighborhoods; Israelis refusing the shelling of white phosphorous bombs, Israelis refusing to build wall on somebody else's land, to destroy houses on another country's soil, to build roads abroad for Jews only, to man checkpoints in an occupied country, to protect racist thugs (aka settlers).
Image LLI ... Just imagine for a sec ... Israelis refusing to take part in target assassinations (I mean murder), refusing to destroy, raze bedouin villages ... No Imagine LLI ... Imagine, can you just "imagine that" ? Israelis refusing to shoot innocent people harvesting along the border in Gaza ? Israelis refusing to arrest Palestinian children in the middle of the night ? Israelis refusing to use clusters bombs in civilian areas, Israelis refusing to let a few hundred fanatics destroy the old city of Al-Khalil, refusing to steal land and kill and destroy on such a scale ... Oh and just imagine ...
Imagine Israelis fixing their country ...
Chaos and Antidote ... Thanks for your reply. I did not mean an all-out war (and I surely hope no war at all). I was rather thinking about actions like this new one read in Haaretz today "According to the report, Turkish naval vessels will accompany civilian ships carrying aid to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip."
I don't think Turkey will sit and let Israel bomb the hell out of Gaza again ...
Comes September, Turkey and Palestine could very well sign some sort of an agreement whereby any attack on Palestine would constitute an attack on Turkey
Sometimes America is soooooo far away from Old Europe. Oh well, it is probably because I live in my Mom's basement. So what do I know ? Oh yes ... I studied, think and don't believe in mythology.
Al-Haq, a Palestinian NGO "Defending Human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory" recently published a 11-pages long document that basically says that recognition is a political move that does not have any impact on the legal issues. It is well worth reading Al-Haq’s Questions & Answers on Palestine’s September Initiatives at the United Nations.
The US Palestinian Network Committee issued a statement where they oppose the bid : Link
And finally there is a French new web site dedicated to the Palestinian bid at www.Palestine2011.info
I second this ... but for once it could be a good side effect ... In the meantime, as far as I know 1) China never considered Tibet anything else than part of its own territory. 2)The Tibetans are no longer seeking independence but rather autonomy within China ...
Brazil recognized Palestine during the last days in office of President Lulla, late last year.
"We all remember Srebrenica, yes? Serbians troops allegedly committed “ethnic cleansing” of 8,000 Bosnians, all of whom turned out to fighting age males. Nasty, yes, but not ethnic cleansing, it was a military strategy that included granting women and children safe passage"
I am not aware of the story you mention and I should probably look at it ... But with all due respect I cannot swallow the words "Nasty" and "Military stategy" when it comes to the organized cold blood murder of +/- 8000 human beings ... I mean, whatever your stand on both the I/P issue or the S/K issue this kind of sentence is way beyond acceptable to me. Was it not for both my limited understanding of English or the doubts I have since I don't know you personally I would have reported your comment.
In addition to everything that was said, let me point out that Israel must have perfectly known where the PRC leaders were before bombing that house. It cannot be a coincidence that Israel accused the PRC (and not Hamas) immediately after the attack and killed those people right after. It looks like a covert targeted killing with the aim of derailing the Palestinian's bid as well
What is up with your country GF ? ... Hate messengers are welcomed and peace messengers deported (flytilla).
Very good Dickerson3870 ... But who told you LLI went to school ?
A single simple question : Why don't you check the difference between propaganda and plain truth ... your post is so pathetic it is beyond belief ...
To Dan and Eljay ...
Dan : You recently replied to one of my post and cited/mentioned Carl Sagan ... instead of "you'll" I meant "you would" ... I just thought you would appreciate the reference Eljay made. And btw I usually very much like your comments
To Eljay : it is not that I found your comment blunt but since I mentioned the law of Karma, I felt I should feel and express some compassion for these people ... I mean reading the post was like reading a XIII century document, I could hardly believe that nowadays people would pray for technical problems to be fixed ...
Now, since I believe in the law of Karma, I did not want to add one of my favourite "classic" saying (would hurt my next reincarnation ;-), but since I believe in humor too here we go :
"Ignorance can be cured
Stupidity is for ever"
Dan, I was sure you'll like Eljay's comment ... Someone should teach them the laws of Karma ... It could be that these people are not stupid but simply ignorant ...
It is a not a "catchy" song ... but the lyrics seem quite right. My vote for Björk's song "Declare Independence"
"I think there are more than a few hundreds Israelis ..." Yeah Annie ... Arab Israelis !!
You should try JSS News for some fine Jewish comments (in French though) ... How do you describe something that goes way beyond a "pile of filth, verbal insults and self-righteous evil" ?
I am with you too Dan (that is, if you don't mind ;-)
Your argument is as good as your French expertise ... That says it all
Well ... one the leading newspaper (letemps.ch) in Switzerland also ran a story where the main suspect was some sort of a mollah and an obscure jihad organisation. Of course most of the story was written using conditional tense. Not one single source was mentioned.
I am looking forward to seeing how they will treat the news next Monday ... I have the feeling that I could almost paraphrase Chaos by changing only one word ...
I wish I could better express myself in English ... Still I find it disturbing that it took this officer 44 years to notice that occupation = apartheid ... And then from what I understand, it's not so much occupation and the stealing of land, murdering of civilians that upsets him but the fact that the law is not enforced in the same way east and west of the Green Line ... Someone should tell this guy that Israeli law (west of the GL) has no value East of the GL, and therefore that the " Israeli government, the Knesset and the vast majority of the people" have no say ...
Switzerland, South Africa
Got news for you 3e ... you totally belong to the second kind ...
"Israel is negotiating in good faith" ... I guess you mean Israel was serious about negotiation as long as they last for ever, not Israel was serious about achieving a lasting peace through negotiation.
I read the comments yesterday and I felt some of the comments were a bit harsh on you, But reading your post today I tend to admit that they were entirely right.
It is not a protest it is an attempt to break an immoral siege step by step.
If Israel doesn't let the flotilla go, there will be an uproar against her and more pressure from all around the world, if Israel let the flotilla through, more ships will follow ...
What is it that you don't understand ?
Yes Kathleen, great post ...
In the meantime I really dislike this question : "Do you unequivocally condemn Palestinian attacks on innocent civilians? Can acts of violence against children or civilians ever be justified if we are to criticize the same actions when they are committed by Israel?"
What did the journalist really expect ? "No we don't"
How is it that when defending the rights of the Palestinian people, we always, and I mean always have to condemn the act of violence by the Palestinians ... ? I can't think of any interview of any zionist or Israeli being asked literally the very same question !
It leaves the same taste as when those talking about Israel start by saying : "Let me first let make clear that I am absolutely not an anti-semite and that I forcefully condemn all forms of racism and especially anti-semitism ..."
Yeah great post ... great answers
You are right 3e, therefore to be fair I suggest that the new Palestinian government accepts the Quartet conditions as soon as Israel withdraws its 14 reservations.
And by the way, in my book, adding 14 reservations means not accepting the conditions ...
I second your thoughts too ...
I totally agree with you Theo ... The only "reason" it would "make a sense" is to deter anybody from joining the ISM or going to Gaza say in a flotilla for instance ...
My thoughts and prayers to Vittorio and his family and friends.
Correction : The Israeli army did not "fight" in Gaza as you put it. They just used their overwhelming firepower to murder a helpless population.
"If you have a problem with too many Palestinian casualties, take it up with Hamas." ... No Sir, but I'm looking forward to take Mr Barak and al to The Hague instead ...
"Jewish refugees that fought to have A home in 1948 and subsequently." Most of them were not refugees and none of them fought "to have A home in 1948". They fought and still fight today to rob homes and land from their rightful owners.
But still I entirely agree with you : Since the Palestinians are refugees, you and I will not object that the Palestinians "should fight to have A home in 2011 and subsequently."
Frankly who cares about Mr Goldstone's column in the Washington Post ?
The International Hasbara Corporation, The Israel Hasbara Ministry and ... ?
And that's it. People around me don't care whether what they saw in December 2008 is to be called a "war crime", a "crime against humanity" and al. It's all deliberate mass murder in cold blood. We have seen the images, we know what happened (in Gaza, in Lebanon, on the Mavi Marmara) and there is no forgiving.
Hasbara is dead.
PS : sure, from a legal standpoint "war crime" and/or "crime against humanity" is important. Not when your heart is crying.
I hope I m wrong : Various articles about a possible Cast Lead II, Israel's escalation in violence towards Gaza and now a re read of the Goldstone report ... Sounds like Israel is flexing its muscle both militarily and judicially ?
Oh Pleeaaaaase Mr Sharon ... Your rant is soooooooo boring and predictable.
Why don't you post somewhere else where naive, biaised and/or uninformed people, zionists of all flavours might believe or even enjoy what you write for a second ...
And by the way, this site is not a propaganda war site, it's about The war of ideas, so if you were to ever come with some ideas, try not to post off topic.
Reuven,
What serious steps are you planning to take to think and educate yourself before you post ?
If you cash on brainless statements you must be pretty rich !!
Because I don't think you will find an F18 or tank user manual on the internet ...
Since I find it pretty difficult to express complex ideas in a language that isn't mine I just want say that I agree with CK and John Judis.
Fuster,
Thank you for proving once again that you don't know what you're talking about. According to IEA, "Europe receives over 85% of Libya’s crude exports, while about 13% heads East of Suez." Now if you're interested in real information you might want to have a look at the source
You are in good company,AVI, Annie, Chaos, Taxi ... and yourself too LLI since you are also posting on Mondo ...
My modest understanding is simply that Egypt will no longer cooperate with Israel against the Palestinian people but on the contrary do all it can to help their brothers ... Change we can (this time) believe in ...
The Hague
Walid and friends,
I'm in Europe at the moment and I can confirm the information ...
Switzerland froze Mubarak's asset only 30 minutes after his fall ...
One of the very few Arabic word I know ... "Mabrouk" you all Egyptians ... I am so happy, so proud of you ... I am watching on AJE and it's so beautiful I feel like crying ...
C'mon heartless 3e ... running out of arguments ? But rest assured, we do take the rulings of Israeli courts exactly for what they are ... and Israel for what it is ... We don't need your help but you might need ours some day ...
Oh and since I'm not too much into the Book ... I wondered if the concept of impermanence and karma existed in Judaism ... ?
Whereas you remind me of 3e and hopless
link to icahd.org
OK ... Now that you've been blaming the Palestinians all along and lecturing us about PA and Hamas as if we were entirely ignorant you the-know-it-all of this site ... please tell us a) how is this 2ss going look like and since you seem to be pretty well informed and that the Palestinians are so weak they have to accept Israeli's diktat, b) when is this 2ss going to take place ... Can't wait to get enlightened ...
Today ... ;-)
Lohdennis ...
I don't quite understand ... Do you mean that Yahweh does not exist or that Yahweh is dead ... ? (joking, but intrested in your (or anybody else's) answer ... 'cause in any case that spells the end of the Jewish state if I understand the scripture well (which I probably don't) ... I am like Mr Witty (on the leaks) I haven't read them
Thanks for the link Citizen ... Since I didn't know about this site, I browsed through it and this is what I found :
"A cache of thousands of pages of confidential Palestinian records covering more than a decade of negotiations with Israel and the US"
• The scale of confidential concessions offered by Palestinian negotiators, including on the highly sensitive issue of the right of return of Palestinian refugees.
• How Israeli leaders privately asked for some Arab citizens to be transferred to a new Palestinian state.
• The intimate level of covert co-operation between Israeli security forces and the Palestinian Authority.
• The central role of British intelligence in drawing up a secret plan to crush Hamas in the Palestinian territories.
• How Palestinian Authority (PA) leaders were privately tipped off about Israel's 2008-9 war in Gaza.
Read more
Such a shortsighted lame comment 3e ... Arabs countries are under the boots of dictators whereas Israelis freely chose terrorists (Shamir, Begin), war criminals (Sharon), murderer (Barak) and even a rapist president to name a few ... Watch yourself in a mirror and listen to Archive before posting such crap
Israel will not apologize since some unknown IOF officer will probably explain that Mr Karmount died in his bed ... or had a cancer or ... and ziocaïnists will argue that since no autopsy was conducted, the version of the most moral army in the world reflects the truth ...
I am trying to be sarcastic here but deep in my heart I feel so sad.
Enough of this shame. Enough
I don't know if there is anything near karma in Judaism ... but those racists rabbis have put themselves on this list of shame ... now if that list becomes a hit list, they will have only themselves to blame and suffer the direct consequences of their dreadful acts ...
Do you mean that calling Israel for what it is becoming day after day deligimize the rights of the Palestinian people ? C' mon
I like your post but very much dislike the conclusion ... I for one am not waiting for some "organized Judaism to repudiate ..." as if organized Judaism had an authority that we, people with a real heart and a real soul, had not ... As if those "let me tell you what God wants" had any legitimacy, let aside credibility whatsoever ...
The people of the book (J, C, M and others as well) had over two thousands years to make the world a better place ... They blatantly failed ...
I am waiting for a peaceful revolution in people's mind and perception... certainly not for yet a new interpretation of a washed-out fairy tale ...
“Where is the US?”
Preparing a statement saying that all parties should act with restrain
It seems that you don't get it Triple E. It is just the beginning of your end ... Well, since it's all musical today, let's put it that way : "This is the end, beautiful friend the end"
I have never heard of this Rav Shteinmann ... It would be interesting to know his stance about the occupation of the West Bank where people are denied access to land and to (... well you know the list) because they are not Jews . In other words, is he just bothered because this happened within Israel proper, because those rabbis (like him) expressed themselves too openly or really concerned about the Other in Palestine/Israel ?
They just don't want Arabs period
I agree with you ... but as I said, the message is out, it will further harm the Arab minority whereas in the meantime "official Israel" and hasbarists the world over will claim that a) those rabbis don't represent the state of Israel and that b) Israel is such a vibrant Jewish and democratic state since some of those rabbis could be indicted ... And then (my two cents) : nothing will happen, even indicted, those rabbis won't be charged with anything ...
Too late ... First the malign message is already out ... Second they signed it in the first place, knowing perfectly what they were doing. It's just the fact that they could be indicted that had them remove their signature ... "Religious leader" should be considered serious mental disease and those who claim to be should be treated accordingly.
No, the Jews can't go back since they never left ... They are called Palestinians these days ... Oh and yes, they are no longer Jewish, most of them converted to Islam.
All of that if I understood Shlomo Sand's book properly ... ;-) If not, my deep apologies ...
Found it on line there : The three wise men and a wall
I have no clue where this image come from, or who is the cartoonist
Actually someone did create a similar image many many years ago ... I have kept a copy somewhere on my computer (can't find yet). In my views, the one I found is even more powerful. You can see the Three Wise Men literally stopped in front of the ugly wall ... I will look for it and send it to Mr Weiss (if it's OK with him) ...
"settlers are given the choice of returning to Israel or living as law-abiding Palestinian citizens"
If the settlers really had even the slimmest respect for laws they would not be in the West Bank in the first place Mr Witty !! ... That alone says it all.
This is not a matter of "ethnically pure State" but a matter of justice ...
Since I believe that we are all made of stars, I would conclude that we are all chosen people ... In the meantime that "chosen" thing for Humans only is not fair to other forms of life ...
Congratulations Brian. You were great. I am glad you did it.
It reminded me of a terrible situation. A situation I am so ashamed of. I was visting the Deishe refugee camp just outside Bethlehem back in 1999. By pure chance, the French Foreign minister Hubert Vedrine was there too. There were French flags all over, Hubert Vedrine was due to visit some sort of a cultural center inside the camp. When I saw Vedrine, my mind screamed "Vive la Palestine Libre" ... but no voice came out of my throat, it was too tight (that's a pretty poetic way to say : I did not dare). He sure would have been surprised to hear some French (I'm a French speaker and what's more this sentence is famous in France, as you guess not with "Palestine" though).
Though obviously it wouldn't have changed anything on the ground, I always feel bitter when I think of it and will always regret I didn't say anything. Well done Brian, for the people of Palestine and for yourself.
Avi, I had to say it once and for all : Love your posts !
Darkness does not exists by itself, it is the absence of light ... Keep on screaming and add your voice to the many little lights all around the globe ...
"They've got the guns but we've got the number"
why not stay ?
Because those two guys are members of a criminal gang and they chose to travel to another country to gloat about their crimes or the grandeur of their killing machines. They were not on a trial explaining that they were some innocent or irresponsible soldiers obeying orders and somewhat victims too ... that deserve listening and compassion.
why not stay ?
Because engaging with them in a rude way is pointless and counter-productive, because engaging with them in a polite way is diminishing the extent their daily crimes in our eyes and would be like treason to the Palestinian people.
why not stay ?
Because it is a peaceful and forceful way to let them know they should search their soul for we know what they've done and in no way can any normal Human being accept that.
In a way I agree with you yourstruly, but in the meantime as opposed to what you said, as long as there aren't many Jews we could rightfully be labelled as anti-semite. This also means that, for some reasons, Jews are to decide what's right what's not. No way !!
Always tell the truth, be a wo/man with principles and consciousness : those to whom religious/political beliefs come first will label you anyway ...
I always say we are the Jews' best friends because we can clearly tell the difference between Judaism / zionism / nationalism. On the day people start "blaming the Jews" as Phil fears, we'll have a tough job making these distinctions clear.
My two cents for you samjnickels : I find this blog * sometimes too Jewish centric. I am fighting to defend the rights of the Palestinian people. I mean if I started talking to someone I'ver never met before about the situation there, my first question would probably be do you stand for basic Human rights for everyone not are you Jewish ? I would not ask because I wouldn't care. And even if I was to ask, what would I do with the information ? speak in a different way ? Choose my words more carefully ? A crime is a crime. Justice must be done to the Palestinians. Anyone with a heart and a soul must act. We are all brothers and sisters, we are all made of stars.
* I would like to thank Phil and Adam for their great work. I am full of admiration for they do. Some contributors deserve credits too for their humour and/or the quality of their posting.
I was going to reply politely to you but then I read your post again ... and stopped at "this hate-site" and felt that there was no room for "the debate".
The only target is zionism (a 100 years old racist ideology) not Judaism (a 3+ thousands years old culture and a religion) ... I find it strange you don't get that !!
So look again ... a) as Shlomo Sand clearly demonstrated it is not your ancient homeland (that is unless you are a Palestinian Jew) b) if you are such an observant Jew that you feel the need to connect physically to the land stay (if you live in Israel) or go (if you don't). You don't need a "Jewish state" to respect the Torah c) ending zionism mostly means putting an end to the farce of the "Jewish and democratic state", it will mean real democracy and freedom for every citizen.
Now I don't see how revolutionary or violent the last point is ...
4. Because you stand for settlements extension, land theft and ethnic cleansing period !
5. Because you think that repeating the mantra of the 3 first points will save your soul and have us believe you. Not !
Chaos4700, I must admit : I reported your post ... by mistake !?! (pls moderator take note, it's early morning here in Europe) ...
I've read Mr Freman posts, but each time I find myself wondering what's the point of this article ... The zionist narrative is perfectly known to me, zionism and human rights, equality, justice being entirely incompatible I don't see the point of having one more diatribe about it ... Aside from the historical aspect (I mean WWII not biblical), I can't understand how can anyone defend just even day one from Israel history let alone 62 years ...
Anyway, keep blogging Mr Fredman, I love wondering ...
"That is to say that Israel was founded by a group of Europeans who converted to Judaism, but have no genetic lineage to the indigenous people of the region" ... well that's basically what Prof Shlomo Sands writes in book. The supreme (and sad) irony being that those European Jews are kicking the real descendant of the original Jews (aka the Palestinian Jews) out of their land ...
I agree with you. Much if I don't feel any sympathy for Mr Nathanyahu, Liberbermann & Co but I don't think they are dumb, quite the opposite. They must have a strategy, a working one ... I am puzzled and your post brings some (awful) possible answers ...
PS : Thank you Adam for publishing those names
It is Tuesday morning here in Europe and I just wish to express my deep and thoughtful respect for these persons ...
I did not know there was a "desirable alternative" to justice ... or you meant that instead of the toilet in the garage, a "desirable alternative" could be ... hmmm ... a deep hole in the backyard ... ?
The other way round could be : what is the name of this ideology where people should not be born equal and should seek a "desirable alternative" ...
Yesha ?
Ysrael Beitenou ?
Shas ?
NRP ?
only for a portion of ‘they’ ... I know, I read the book, I (and I understand Avi too) was referring to the diaspora ...
... as though they have any connection to the land by virtue of their ancestors living there some 2000 years ago
... as you probably know that too is not even true according to Shlomo Sand ..
Is it just me think, or there seems to be a pattern that when peace talks start, an American official visits or whenever Israel talks security, all of the sudden there is an act of violence of some sort? An act that will demonstrate Israel's willingness to negotiate even under fire, an act that will show to the world that Palestinians only understand violence as opposed to the Israelis ... Anyone noticed that "pattern" too ?
I feel sorry for the innocent victims but I really feel uncomfortable about the "event" ...
I believe this post is extremely ... well, I was gonna say "important" ... but above all it is extremely sad and despairing ... In the meantime, yes, it is important as it tells us about the every day reality of Israel. A reality we know here at Mondoweiss but we sometimes fail to fully grasp. I think we should have our friends/rep/whatever-person-of-influence read it ...
Sometimes, I find it hard to keep my bad thoughts about Israel away from my mind ...
I too agree with you ... I have been "watching" the I/P conflict for years, I'm a member of supporting groups, hoping we could have an impact. But honestly I have the feeling that things went from bad to worst for the Palestinians... It's both saddening and maddening ...
In the meantime we can all see Israel sinking into the abyss ... Maybe the actual question should be : is there anything we can do to prevent more bloodshed on either side ?
The only threat I'm aware of is from those Jews* that repeatedly threaten to destroy Al-Aqsa in order to re-build a temple or did I miss something ?
*don't care/don't know if they are orthodox, observant or ultra-whatever
Hi everyone. First post and first apologies (about my written English).
Amnesty International (Switzerland) is leading a campaign about water discrimination in Palestine. About a month ago, they sent a leaflet to their members, they are collecting signatures and ask people to send empty bottles of water to the Israeli embassy in Switzerland. They also have online actions. Visually speaking, the campaign is pretty powerful (and IMHO clever).
AI Switzerland (French)