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This is nothing short than an all-out offensive on the concept of Westphalian sovereignty.
“Israel is judged by a double-standard (triple-standard, actually), but this is not what should be happening in a country that calls itself a Jewish state.”
This is where the pathetic Israeli corporal gets it wrong. Israel is being judged by a statndard. That's what he doesn't like. If half of the population of Cambodia (to pick a random state) were Jewish, and held in exactly the same conditions the Israelis hold the Palestinians, is there anyone in the world who doesn't believe that Goldberg wouldn't be saying the exact same things against the Cambodians that we're saying about the Israelis today??? His problem is that he wants his country exempt from judgment based on progressive/liberal/hell, any principles. As far as I'm concerned, he can go scratch.
"The Ashkenazis never had any connection to Palestine."
Whether they did or not is irrelevant. Imiagine if I and 10 million North Americans like me, could establish direct connection to the people who lived in Anatolia before the Turkic expansion -- say, we're all Hittites dreaming of returning to rebuild Hattusa -- and even assume that there has been pervasive and grotesque anti-Hittite prejudice and pogroms, oppression and attempted genocides throughout Hittite history in North America. None of that would justify, in any way, an armed invasion and takeover of Asia Minor from the Turks who had nothign to do with it. Nor would it give me any right to be present in Asia Minor absent the okay by the Turks, themselves. (I know the analogy isn't precise because we know the Turks were origianlly from Central Asia, wereas the Palestinians are the decendants of native populations who did not migrate anywhere, but you get the idea...)
"Most of it went to U.S. weapons manufacturers."
Like Caterpillar.
Well, comrade, if a Russian like you can claim a bullshit right to a presence in the Middle East based on heredity stretching back into antiquity, then the rights of the Palestinians ethnically cleansed a few years ago shouldn't be too hard to figure out, even for the likes of you.
"Gee – if Sen Kirk and Israel wait another 30 yrs they can declare the Refugee Problem solved since there will be no more living personally displaced Refugees – as if that wasn’t the plan all along"
This is in keeping with the approach of the KKK-GOP (I keep getting mixed up as to which is the nickname of the Republican Party...) to say that the problem of slavery and Jim Crow is fixed because those things don't exist anymore. Why should thier racist attitude change because we're talking about their fellow bigots in Zio-land??
Why shoudl they become citizens of another state? Their not Jordanians or Lebonese or Syrians. They're Palestinians. When the cancer of zionism is cut out or its metastasization into the West Bank staunched, they should return to Palestine. Why should anyone aid the criminal zionists in their crimes?
"Actually, are there any other people in the world where the descendants of refugees are considered refugees?"
Are there any states so evil as Israel to have perpetuated the crime creating the refugees and refused to permit them their right of return for so long as to create another generation of refugees?
The last sentence should have read that the fact that the US sides with the attackers of our NATO allies, rather than our ally, should be a warning to all "allies" of the US.
"it’s hard to believe the attack was not coordinated with the Israelis."
Of course it was. It was an attack on our NATO ally by the israelis. The fact that the US sides with these criminal ingrates over our NATO allies (and an attack on Turkey like that carried out by israel's proxy is SUPPOSED to be an attack on the USA. But who does our zionist-puppet government support, even after it murdered an American citizen in cold blood???)
"Haaretz says its Turkish sources report - surprise! - that 'Washington is applying heavy pressure on Ankara to get the Istanbul prosecutor to reject the indictment.'"
"The Obama administration has approved the sale, but Congress has been holding it up, mainly due to anger at Turkey's hostile policy toward Israel"
Boy that really pisses me off that Israel and its fifth column in the US have such an Alien-facehugger grip on the US government that it is willing to destroy good relations with a NATO ally for a bunch of fascist ingrates.
Kristallnacht... Check.
"an enemy shot missiles at my country"
It's their country. You're just occupying it. Your country is a couple thousand km north/northeast of their country.
Sure, if you steal the Palestinians land and their water, you can do anything. The wonder of zionism: growing tropical fruit with the broken lives of Palestinian children.
"Yes I know Oleg, your grandparent’s country was invaded by Germany "
Slight amplification: Oleg's grandparents' country invaded Poland, hand in hand with Adolf Hitler (committing many attrocities there). The Germans then invaded occupied Poland, passing through to the USSR. It is important to remember that the USSR was not an innocent country at all and by all rights should have suffered the same fate as Nazi Germany at the same time.
"/ Excuse me, but bananas are not meant to be grown in the desert!/
Why the hell not?"
Uh, because it's a tropical plant, genius. Don't remember reading about the Great Israeli Rainforest anywhere...
"The Facebook movie he did was actually quite harsh and he more or less took the Winklevoss twins’ side in the dispute..."
I agree, but I also think that the criticism of Sorkin must be taken with a grain of salt, because the film really wasn't about Facebook (that was plot), but was about friendship and what people are willing to do to friends. (I suspect that Sorkin knows that the anti-Jewish stuff was anachronistic, but put it in because it really, really worked well thematically [and the only question in telling a good story isn't "is it factually correct", but "does it work for the story." {Which is why Tarrentino was right to kill Hitler.}])
"There is nothing pseudo about Jews returning home."
There is everything pseudo about European and American Jews in the Levant.
"This is either the historic homeland of the Jews or it is not."
Ancient history and modern-day rights are two different things.
"If it is, and we all know it is, then “F#&@” the British for imposing quotas"
No, “F#&@” the Zionists past and present for
acting likebeing fascists and trampling the rights of the people whose land it actually is."...as well as reneging on their commitments for a Jewish homeland on both the East Bank (Jordan today) and the West Bank (west of the Jordan River to the Mediteranean)."
One cheer for the British. The fact that they limited their damage to Palestine and didn't let the cancer of zionism to spread to Jordan is the only positive that could be said for them.
What a load of crap. If every one of these people converted to Judaism tomorrow, you would figure it out. So there is nothing preventing you from figuring it out now, except anti-Gentile bigotry.
It should be a reason to ban the person making the post.
"higher and more nobel goals- say ...Zionism"
LMAO. No one who calls judeo-facism (aka zionism) a "higher" and more "nobel" [sic] goal is sane.
"Honestly, I find it a little creepy when people are interested in war, esp. in weaponry."
I can respect that. I disagree, obviously. My interests are less about the weapons and more about the history, the events, the personalities, etc. I wonder whether the difference is a function of your country's history or mine (probably both.)
"I’ve already heard several people from the USA say that they only know German from WWII movies. I wonder which German words these are. The only one that comes to my mind is Blitzkrieg."
Someone who says that would probably list: Blitzkrieg, Sieg heil, Fuehrer, Schnell, ja, nein, things like that. I think that you could probably put in "Jawohl, Herr Kommandant" if the person is old enough to have watched "Hogan's Heroes" as a kid.
Because my interest is more academic, I've had a greater exposure to written German, so I picked up some language through, for example, reading propaganda posters, and even just learning what the names of things were. (For example, Geheime Staatspolitzei -- there's three words right there.)
" I think that having two or more national languages just makes things unnecessarily complicated and also divides the nation rather than unifies it. "
Well, one of the problems in the USA is the fact that there is a large Hispanic population that is getting larger, many of them are primarily Spanish speakers. I would like for them to learn English, of course, but I also think that the English-speaking portion of the country would benefit by moving toward them, as well, in order to prevent the two groups from fracturing the society. I also think that fluency in Spanish would be wonderful. If you speak English and Spanish, you have essentially an entire hemisphere's (except for the oddballs [I kid, I kid] in Brazil and Quebec) worth of people to relate to. That's pretty cool, I think.
"I keep hearing US citizens say stuff like 'I’m Italian/German/Dutch.' when actually they are born in the USA and merely of Italian/German/Dutch descent. That’s totally inaccurate and really confusing."
It's because we're an immigrant population. The ancestors of most people in the USA have only been here for two-three hundred years and with a huge percentage having no relatives at all in the US before about 100-150 years. (My earliest ancestor I know who lived in the US arrived in about 1850. Most came between 1890 and 1910.)
So, for most Americans, words like "Italian/German/Dutch" don't refer to citizenship or nation of birth, but of ancestry or ethnicity, because we are so much more likely to be referring to someone of Italian descent, for example, than someone who was born in Italy or is a citizen and national of Italy. So the normal use of the word is to refer to ancestry; it becomes shorthand for ancestry. If American are talking about citizens or nationals of a country, they generally refer to such people as being "from Italy" or describe the people as being "real Italian," or use some similar qualification.
Not fishing, exactly... It's one year of schooling, but I have an interest in WWII history, so there is a general exposure to the language, so I pick up bits and pieces from that.
Wow, that's a lot of language schooling. Is that common in Germany?
"I heard that in the USA pupils learn 3 languages in one subject: French, Spanish and German. Is that true?"
I've never heard of anything like that. I know in many US schools where there is a language requirement, the student can choose, usually, one of those three languages. Most people take Spanish. Truth be told, aside from people in areas where there are a lot of Spanish speakers, most people in the US only speak English and have little or no facility in any other language. It's usually enough, as no other language is necessary for 99% of life in North America (maybe a bit different if you live in one of the Spanish-speaking areas or in Quebec) and because so many non-North Americans people speak it as a first or second language. But it really does put Americans at a disadvantage. (One of the reasons why I would love to see USA become officially Spanish/English bilingual and require 12 years of Spanish along with English in schools.)
Of your two videos, the first is what I would imagine Germans get when visiting the USA, and, sadly, the second is a pretty good approximation of the attitude of a lot of Americans.
"Oh, don’t worry. It totally makes sense. It’s always nice to read or hear German from non-native speakers. I appreciate it very much."
Mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut. Ich habe fur ein Jahr in der Schule gelernt. Ich bin unglaublich eifersüchtig auf Menschen, die fließend in mehreren Sprachen. (Okay, that last part was from Google Translate. My skill level is more like: "Ich heisse Woody. Ich habe mein Uhr vergessen. Der Tische ist gross. Ich habe zu viel getrunken.")
"So allow it.The more the merrier."
That's what we keep saying about permitting voting by the Palestinians in the West Bank for seats in the Knesset...
Part of Turkey actually is in Europe. Israel, not so much. Except the colonialism, of course.
"Ran & Izabo are brilliant"
Brilliant? No. Decent muscians, for popsters, but the singer just sounds creepy, regardless of what passport he holds.
Somehow I get the feeling that you are imposing your bigotry on Annie.
The song is hideous, regardless of who is singing it.
"I think we can all agree that the only explanation for Fredblogs is that Dr. Hiss removed his brain and buried it."
LOL. Fredo might not be the smartest Corleone in the family, but his problem is a lack of ethics and morality.
"The difference the accident..."
Shorter Fredblogs: "If done at the hand of a Jew, even the cold-blooded, execution-style murder of an Arab is the fault of the Arabs ."
"Only the mafioso says something like that"
That's Israel in a nutshell: a country of mafiosi.
“Involved in a car accident” sounds so much more innocent than “ran over two cops in a hit-and-run accident”.
It's also closer more the truth. But even still, so what? He was involved in a hit-and-run accident. That doesn't excuse the actions of the evil Russian bastard, the murderer Maxim Vinogradov, who then murdered Jilani in cold blood with bullets in the head from a matter of inches, while Jilani lay helpless, having been already shot a number of times.
Vinogradov -- yet another foreign invader in Palestine -- has bragged of murdering a prostitute, listed "violence" and "beating" as favorite things to do, and "Beating Palestinian wetbacks" as his "Favorite entertainment." when one of his fellow psychopaths expressed a desire, twelve days before the Jilani murder, to "destroy Turkey and all the Arabs from the world," this evil bastard replied, "I'm with you," and "with God's help I'll start it."
But, I'm sure none of that matters to a racist prick like you, because Jilani was a Palestinians and this Vinogradov is a Jew. So, as expected, you defend the evil bastard Vinogradov by attacking Jilani.
"And Carter gets 10s of millions from Saudi Arabia."
Rosalynn Carter isn't the Secretary of State. But you skip over that, because it would go against your position, which is to defend Israel regardless of logic or facts.
Very, very good point. No man of peace would have the world ignore any of the Holocaust: not the porajmos, not the shoah, not the murder of the Poles or the homosexuals or the Russian P.O.W.s or any of the others.
"Elie Wiesel... a man who had devoted his life to peace..."
Baloney. No man of peace would have authored the lie-filled, anti-Arab screed regarding al-Quds ("Jerusalem"), especially considering the crimes which were being committed and are committed against the Palestinians in that city.
"And why are you defending him?"
Because he's Jewish, so Fred will defend him. Fred's a bigot. Jews can do no wrong, and anyone who opposes the zionist project, in Fred's eyes, can do no right, is an unperson, and has no rights which any Jew is obligated to respect. It matters not whether the excuse is plausible or not, the fact that it goes to the benefit of Israel is, to bigots like Fred, the deciding factor, not its truth value, plausibility or logical coherence.
"lol, i just noticed in the comments over @ wapo"
Fred, QUICK! There's another Israeli who needs defending over at the Washington Post! Better run quickly and explain to them how organ snatching is fine and dandy when an Israeli does it...
"Bright clothing or dull clothing, neither can be seen through metal."
LMAO. Any argument, so long as you're defending the Israeli, eh, Fredo? Doesn't matter if you're defending bulldozer-driving terrorists like this piece of filth or the vampire Hiss, if they're Israeli Jews, our man Fred will defend them, no matter what.
If they're afraid of being shot, then maybe they should stop terrorizing innocent civilians by destroying their houses. (Oh, wait, the victims are Palestinian, so they are automatically terrorists to bigots like you.)
Of course Fredo has no links. It's just his newest hasbarism -- that we're talking about microscope slide samples -- because he doesn't care about the facts other than the fact that Hiss is an Israeli. As such, Fredo will say anthing that sounds even remotely plausible (and sometime even not) because he's enagaged in a giant game of confirmation bias about his ethnic prejudices and is butt hurt that the rest of us aren't.
Exactly. I guess they figured no one would buy it if they said that "she was shot trying to escape..."
"Why didn’t he notify her parents and why are you so interested in defending him?"
Why he didn't notify the parents? Who knows. He stole body parts, maybe, or he was negligent. Since the ghoul admitted the former, that's my guess.
As for why Fred is defending him, it's simple: Hiss is a Jew. As such, Fred will defend him, no matter what, as he's done here. Because Fred is a bigot, plain and simple.
And you could do some of your thinking and research and recognize that "Dr." Hiss is the notorious Israeli body-parts thief who regularly harvested organs of the deceased. Further, the parts which were stolen from Rachel's body were not identified, and this vampire, Hiss, has a history of stealing things like ovaries.
But, of course, he's a Jew, so you just naturally assume it's all okay that Hiss disrespected the family and the body. The likes of you are fine with that. Got it.
"In other words, you are only complaining because he is Israeli."
No, I'm complaining because someone from my country was murdered by agents of your country for doing nothing other than helping some innocent people save their homes from you monsters. And then to have this filth of a coroner not only fail to follow the court order, but to not even tell the family that body parts were withheld is simply vile. Vile. I understand you excuse it -- you excuse anything any Israeli Jew does, right, wrong or whatever -- but to me it is adding insult to injury that they murdered here and then they mishandled her remains.
"It’s armor plated to defend itself against terrorist attacks."
Convenient excuse. It's armored because its driver and the Israeli state are doing the terrorism.
Who cares what a coroner in the US would do? The fact is that this coroner was required to return the samples to be buried with the body and the jackel didn't do so.
Fredo, If you don't understand how a bulldozer, armor-plated for offensive operations against innocent civilians by your countrymen is weaponized, then you are dumber than we all believe you are.
"During the second day of hearings, it was revealed that the doctor who conducted the Rachel Corrie's autopsy kept pieces of her body for testing, without informing her family."
These people are disgusting. The equal of grave robbers.
'[Buried with other biological samples. What makes you think that isn’t how that particular lab disposes of microscope slides of human tissue?"
What makes you sure that that is how these body parts were disposed of? Oh, that's right, because the admitted organ-thief said so, so you believe him because that's what the interest of the "Jewish state" requires.
"As for benefit of the doubt, I don’t have to give him the benefit of the doubt, I am going by what the linked document said, which was samples for histological testing, not body parts."
False. The linked report reported on what the monster Hiss claimed. You, of course, stepped right up and believed every word he peddled. It didn't give you a moment's pause at all that the person who making that claim is a known serial body desecrator and organ thief, who has every motive in the world to make it seem like no big deal.
But, for you, all that matters is that he's an agent of the Jewish state, and you'll lap up any load of horseshit he spreads.
Better anarchism than the judeo-fascism you support.
"I’m talking about the Rachel Corrie issue."
No, you're not. You're trying out the latest, lame excuse to excuse the inexcusable for no other reason than because the guy is Jewish. If Mengele were Jewish, you'd find a way to excuse him, too, no doubt.
"That doesn’t make taking samples as a routine part of an autopsy unethical."
And here you assume -- against the known evidence -- that all that was taken were routine samples. That's the problem. You give a known organ thief the benefit of the doubt because he's a Jew. That's the height of bigotry.
"Microscope sample snatching, not organ snatching, but thanks for the vivid imagery."
No one knows what was snatched, and the fact that your buddy, Dr. Hiss, said he "buried" what he stole -- something that is not done with microscope samples -- coupled with his history of organ theft, would lead any reasonable person to conclude that he continued his ghoulish ways with Rachel's body.
Oh, but he's a Jew, and to a bigot like you, that's all that matters... he MUST be defended by the likes of you...
"The guy shouldn’t have taken the kid’s flag."
He didn't "take" the kid's flag, he stole it. But I guess because he's a Jew, he surely can't be a criminal, so you'll just use the wrong word and perpetuate a lie...
"I saw a picture of the kid fighting with a guy over the flag. What I don’t see is what happened after that, or what the policeman saw, from whatever angle he saw things."
Wow, Fredo, that's a new one, even for a degenerate racist like you: "No evidence exists that the kid did anything wrong, so we have to assume that he did something wrong. (He's an Arab, after all... *wink, wink*)."
"For all I know the flag and the chase were unrelated."
Yeah, maybe the kid confessed to the Kennedy assassination and the cop was just trying to help the Americans crack the case...
" Do you make a habit of blocking policemen in pursuit? Why not, since 'how do you know they aren’t going to kill whoever they are chasing'?"
No, because I (thank god) don't have run ins with israeli police. I have no reason to suspect the average American police will kill the person they're chasing. I can't say the same about a "police" officer of the israeli state, when the person being persued is a Palestinian, given the history of that state. But you, of course, will condemn the Paletinian and give the benefit of the doubt to the cop, for no other reason than because his is a Jew.
Did you ever notice that you haven't even addressed the issue that the reason this thug festooned with military weaponry was chasing a 10 year old was because he tried to get back his flag from someone that stole it?? It's rather messed up that that doesn't give you even the briefest pause, as any legitimate police officer would have reacted to the situation by telling the settler-pig flag-thief that he's lucky that the police didn't arrest him for theft; told the settler-pig to go back to his hate-parade; and returned the flag to the kid so he could waive it to his heart's content.
But because the thief and the cop are Jewish, you completely ignore all of that.
"I think it’s time for Oleg and Fredblog to be given the boot. "
I agree. Especially regarding Fredblogs. His recent support of the organ-snatching ghoul, Dr. Hiss, simply because Hiss is Jewish, demonstrates that Fredblog's entire act is to defend Israel no matter what its crimes, no matter what it does.
There may be a place in a debate for misfits like hard-core Zionist, Holocaust deniers, unrepentant racists, neo-confederate dorks, and so forth, who may have horrific, evil ideas, but when someone's whole approach is simply "defend Israel, regardless of the issue, no matter what" there's nothing added by permitting that.
I say frag his ass.
"OK, I stand corrected, it isn’t just Woody Tanaka that doesn’t know the difference between a policeman trying to arrest someone and a Nazi trying to kill someone."
How do you know this "policeman" wasn't going to kill this kid? OH, that's right, the "policeman" is a Jew, so to you, he can do no wrong, not even the evil Dr. Hiss, who you defended so strongly. Got it.
Fred is disturbed. He's on the other thread defending the organ-snatching ghoul Dr. Hiss. (Hiss is a Jew, you see, so to the likes of Fred, he MUST be defended...)
Living while Arab.
"I think if you look into it, you’ll find that is a common reason for police to chase people without any intention of killing them or otherwise harming them."
And in most civilized countries, you wouldn't expect the head coroner to be a parasite stealing the remains of dead people, but Dr. Hiss -- who you also defended -- did exactly that. So forgive me if I don't trust an Israeli farther than I can throw him.
"Wow, you (not the generic “you” you, Woody Tanaka in particular) really can’t tell the difference, can you? "
You, Fred (not the generic “you” you, Fredblog in particular), are a psychopath, you know that, don't you?
"There is no suggestion that the police officer in this case was going to kill the kid"
And there've been plenty of Palestinian kids just like this that have died or been tortured at the hands of petty israeli thugs like the one chasing him. If he didn't intend to harm him, he had no reason to chase him. All he did was try to get his flag back from some isreali pig who stole it. But we can't have that.
Because, let's face it, these thugs are there to make sure the Palestinian people bow and scrape for their zionist masters or at least fear for thier lives and that of their children at the hands of those same zionists, otherwise then judeo-supremacy isn't that much fun, is it? So, of course, this child can't express his Palestinian pride...
"I’m shocked that this site would support letting an innocent red crescent volunteer go down for someone else’s crime."
Why should yet another innocent person persecuted by your state, among the thousands and thousands bother you, Fredo?
Not "Israel bad" - zionist thugs bad.
"Some free advice, if a policeman is chasing someone don’t interfere. "
Exactly. Never interfere with the police. For example, if the police come looking for the Jews you're hiding in the basement or up in the Secret Annex in the bulding in Amsterdam, don't interfere. Tell the police exactly where they're hidden.
"Now what do Israelis look like ?"
The 'yahoo has the face of Eastern Europe. (Which is odd, since his supposed father had the face of a troll.)
", interfering with the police"
LMAO. There was no "police" here. There was an armed zio thug who was chasing a boy, rather than arresting the dirty pig who stole the kid's flag. Fredo, you insult the police of the world by calling this fascist piece of garbage -- who is no better than a gang banger or mafia hitman -- a police officer.
How do you say Die Fahne hoche in Hebrew?
I didn't like this movie the first time, when it was called Triumph des Willens. They changed a few things in this reboot: the flags have changed colors and the symbol in middle was altered a little. But it seems that they kept large parts of the plot pretty much the same. (Including the part where the semitic minority is beated by the government.)
If you think that testimony of a minor obtained after a military assault on the witness's home in the middle of the night, followed by sleep deprivation, withholding of counsel or parents and without being properly informed of his right to remain silent and during which the "police" specifically told the witnesses to incriminate the person the "police" were trying to frame would be admissible in the USA, you are crazy.
But I guess to you, if these police are Jewish Israelis, then you don't care. They can do anything and be defended by you, can't they?
"I love that you keep harping about 'organ snatching' when we are talking about microscope slides of samples."
I keep harping on organ snatching, because that's what the person you are defending in this matter confessed to doing. The man is an organ snatcher.
But he's a Jewish organ snatcher, so that makes everything okay, to the likes of you.
And we don't know what the samples were. That's the point. The organ snatcher's statements are inherently unbelievable, but we do know that he has a history of stealing not only things like ovaries and corneas, but a leg, as well.
And this is the person you're defending. Says a lot about you.
"This was not a forced confession."
Fredo, of course you don't think this was a forced confession, dispite the evidence to the contrary. There is no way you would find anything wrong with extracting a confession from this 15-year old, no matter how it was done, because it was Jews who did the extracting. That's all it takes to be okay by you, as evidenced by your whole hearted defense of the organ-snatching ghoul, Dr. Hiss.
"What’s wrong with you that you think conspiring to throw stones at people is ok?"
I'm sure you would think that conspiring to throw stones at people is fine, so long as it is Jews who are doing the conspiring, given your whole-hearted defense of Dr. Hiss.
What is wrong with Fredo is that he is a zionist. So it doesn't matter what he has to say, so long as it supports his country of Israel, he'll do it, or say it, regardless of the justice of it, and regardless of whether he believes it or not.
The problem isn't the lack of Palestinian Gandhis. The problem has been a lack of Israeli British. Hitler had a solution for Britain's "Gandhi problem" -- a bullet in the head. It seems that Israel is following Hitler's lead.
So, because a few Middle Eastern people have Middle Eastern names which linguistically reference a bordering land (also Middle Eastern), the obvious conclusion is that we should give the land to a bunch of people who spell their Russian-style patronym in the Cyrillic alphabet. Is that right, comrade
"The world in which even illegal squatters don’t want to be burned to death in their homes."
Their homes are west of the green line or in europe or america. They should go there if they're afraid that their crimes put them in danger in Palestine.
If, as you say, it is your principle to support full and absolute equality between the Jews and all of the Palestinians, what have you done to move your state in that direction? What politicians have you supported who would end the occupation and extend full freedom, equality and citizenship to the Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and Arab East Jerusalem? What programs have you supported to end the notion that Israel is a "Jewish" state, but, rather, a state of all its citizens? How much money have you given to organizations supporting the Palestinian people and stopping the seizure of their lands?
Or is you agreement "in principle" nothing more than a lullaby that you pretend to sing to yourself so that your conscience will let you sleep at night?
Because if you aren't willing to take action and to accept the logical result of your supposed principles, then you don't actually have them.
"I am asking about principles now, not about political feasibility."
How about these principles, rather than the nonsensical "right" of "nations" crapola:
Do you believe that the people who are Jews have the unrestricted right to live in peace anywhere between the Jordan and the Med. that they wish and have an absolute right to full equality and human rights in the government which controls their lives (i.e., the Israeli state)?
Do you believe that the people who are Palestinians have the unrestricted right to live in peace anywhere between the Jordan and the Med. and have an absolute right to full equality and human rights in the government which controls their lives (i.e., the Israeli state)?
If you cannot answer "yes" to both questions, then you are the enemy.
"I am not a universalist and i stated that on multiple occasions."
No kidding, comrade. You're a judeo-supremacist and you've shown that on a number of occassions.
But what you haven't told us is whether you ever checked with your family to see if your grandfather should have been hung for crimes against the Polish people or for raping all those German women. So, how 'bout it... Inquiring minds want to know...
"Yes, because from a moral perspective there is no difference between
the West Bank settlement or Dgania Alef or Tel Aviv."
Yes, they are all settlements which should be evacuated of foreign invaders and the land returned to its rightful Palestinian owners. Pack it up, comrade and head back to the Rodina!
Or you could simply create a land between the sea and the Jordan where all people have full equality and equal rights regardless of nationality, religion, etc. But you wouldn't go for that. For you, the Arabs have to be an underclass otherwise how could your judeo-supremecism work. Right, comrade?
"Independence from who or what?"
They use the euphamism so they don't have to celebrate "Theft of Palestine from the Palestinians Day"
"should be portrayed as innocent victims"
The are innocent victims. Innocent victims of the cancer of zionism. When you people learn to stay behind the green line, then progress might come. Or go the hell back to Russia where you belong, squatter.
OlegR: "Annie i do have a life you know."
Yeah, Annie, there are millions of Palestinians for Oleg to oppress and only so many hours in the day!!!
"The fires were closer to the Jewish side."
There is no "Jewish" side. The Jewish side is on the other side of the green zone. The Jews should go there and leave the Palestinians alone.
"The winds in Israel"
This didn't occur in Israel. It occurred in Palestine.
"Jews and settlers should stay home"
The problem is that they are not at home. They invaded someone else's land and are squatting on it, as zionist have been doing for 150 years. Go back to Europe. Go back to America. Go back behind the green line. Leave the Palestinians in peace in their land. You people have done enough evil for 100 lifetimes.
"Feel free to look at 1:28 on the far left corner."
All I see are a bunch of zio squatters. Time to run those pigs out!!
"Nothing was stolen."
All of Palestine was stolen. The zio's greed and blood lust wasn't slaked by the 78% percent they stole and all of those innocent people they murdered in 1947, so their cancer is spreading to the rest of the land they stole in 1967.
Sure, I've seen it. So what? It's an internal Arab matter and doesn't concern any settler pigs. It certainly doesn't establish any rights for zionist squatter pigs to be there, as the Jordanians returned the rights discussed in that Article to the Palestinians.
"Incorrect: The whole incident started when the Arabs lit the fires in the direction of Yitzhar and then violently attacked the Jews who went to put it out."
No, the whole incident started when European Jews started stealing Palestine back in the 19th Century. If these jews want to live in peace, tell them to get the hell off of Palestinian land and slink back over the green line where they belong.
I looked at a map and noticed that you forgot to mention that this took place on the stolen land of the Palestinians where none of these Israeli invaders belong. So if these jews don't want problems, they can move back beyind the green line. Where they are, these settlers are legitimate targets.
"this is unreal."
Not to me. Does anyone expect a criminal band of fascist misfits and murderers like the I"D"F to do anything but stand by when their sibling band of fascist misfits and murderers -- the settler pigs -- commit their crimes?
No, comrade. What is getting people hurt is foreign Jews invading and stealing the Palestinians' lands. If that cancer of zionist theft is abated and those settler pigs go back behind the green line, then people will stop getting hurt.
"Children as well ?"
Any who remain beyond the age of majority are legitimate targets.
"protecting civilians"
There are no civilians here. They're all settlers and, therefore, part of the occupying force and are all, therefore, legitimate targets for resistence.
"Getting hit by a large rock on the head even when you are wearing a helmet is
not a pleasant experience."
Then maybe the solution is for the Jews to go back on the other side of the green line and not steal Palestinian land where someone might want to throw a rock on their heads.
"The video footage raises grave suspicions that the soldiers present did not act to prevent the settlers from throwing stones and firing live ammunition at the Palestinians. The soldiers did not try to remove the settlers and in fact are seen standing by settlers while they are shooting and stone throwing."
Why would it "raise[] grave suspicions"? The thugs from the israeli state death squad and these terrorist settler pigs are one and the same.
This guy Yishai is a piece of filth.
Since I was the only one to use the word "pathetic" and you are too much of a coward to address me by name, I'll comment here: I did not say "assertion of one's Jewish heritage" was pathetic, I said his obsession, to the point of holding a grudge against a language, was pathetic. If he wants to trade a major world language for a patched-together tribal patois, like Hebrew, that's his business. I have sympathy for his humanity, but his reasons are pathetic. Instead of walling himself off in a linguistic ghetto, he would do better to get mental health care for what appears to be untreated post-traumatic stress syndrome, as it might give him some peace.
Because he's not "assert[ing his] Jewish heritage," rather, he's wallowing in his victimhood. Which, again, is human and understandable, but not terrifically healthy. If he wants to do so, again, that's his business. But if he expects anyone to look on it and do more than shake their head, he's mistaken.
No one said German was "harsh"; Theo said it was "hard" and appeared to do so in comparison to Italian and French. That's his opinion. I think that German is a very pretty language (as are Italian and French, (although I find Italian tiresome after a while. [It's like sugar on top of honey on top of sugar on top of syrup]). But while German is definitely a hard and precise one, it is not a "harsh" language.
But the "they" that did it have been, by and large, dead for decades. Which is kind of why the holding of the grudge against the language is pathetic.
LOL. I agree with Annie. That's pretty hideous. But I'm not much into pop music, so that might have something to do with it.
"In all of Germany, it’s merely 35%."
Even 35% sounds really nice.
" most politicians attended it and applauded the pope’s bullsh*t. "
How much of that was because he is a German, I wonder. I can't imagine that there wasn't a bit of "local boy makes good" in the whole thing...
"But I wonder what they have in common at all. What does an atheist Jew in Canada have in common with a religious Jew in Russia?"
I think history. A shared sense of are common ends of a long chain. I'm sure there is a bit of unity in face of the real oppression Jews have faced at various times. There are social aspects to these identities that are founded in religion but not of religion. (I reminded of a routine by the Irish comedian Dara O'Briain. He was talking about Irish atheists and about being asked whether he was a Protestant atheist or a Catholic athiest.)
"Do you think that this is the case? In my opinion, it depends on the context – whether you deal with the different religious branches in a country or with one religious branch in different countries."
I think that German identity (insert all the usual caveats here abut THAT) has been both Protestant and Catholic, but still German. It does not seem to me (as an outsider) to be a shared element within two separate groups, but, rather, two possibilities among one single group.
There is religion commonality between Catholic Poles or Catholics Frenchmen and Catholic Germans, but it strikes me as being a common trait in two clearly different groups.
I didn't realize that Germans called it an Amerikaner. '
Ha ha. I guess I'll have to be careful to say "Ich bin Amerikaner" rather than "Ich bin ein Amerikaner," in light of the stories about John F. Kennedy calling himself a jelly-donut.
link to en.wikipedia.org
"Tell that to the god botherers who believe in imaginary beings."
Ha ha. I try to. They never listen to me, though. I read the other day of the high rate of atheism in Germany (especially given the high rates of atheism in the East). It must make politics and public life so much easier and less tiresome. (I say this with the fresh, painful memories of a few years ago a politician for the US Senate having to run an ad campaign to highlight the fact that she was not a witch. I am not joking.)
"So, how can there be one big ethnic group of Jews? This Jewish ethnicity only exists in imagination."
Well, I would counter by saying that it is a man-made, partly arbitrary grouping, so perhaps it need not make complete sense, so long as it makes sense to them, if what they have in common is more important to them then what they have different. (Why are German-speaking Catholics linked with German-speaking Protestants rather than their fellow Catholics who happen to speak Polish or French?)
That's interesting, pabelmont. I would have said to have someone start quickly spelling words, on the assumption that the person would, under the pressure of spelling at high speed, start reverting to the native pronounciation of letters. (N.B.: "Zed" is a big giveaway for all those Brits trying to infiltrate the US. Of course, it also nabs some New Englanders, but false positives is the price of vigilance.)
"- From the point of view of Judaism, Maimonides, at the end of the days – in ‘the world to come’ – the Jewish people as a whole will be redeemed and sit face to face with God."
I have no idea. I don't go in for fairy stories and such.
"( But you don’t qualify as a ‘righteous gentile’ if you just saved Polish lives.)"
That's interesting.
"the use of the word “Chinese” as a demonym (especially in the singular) just feels really odd (at least to my well-worn American ears.)"
But, of course, it does not sound as odd as does the use of the demonym for people from Hamburg or Frankfurt actually being used as a demonym does!!
"I should have said: ‘They do not genetically inherit a relation to God.’
That’s unlike the Jews: They inherit the status as a member of ‘God’s chosen people’. "
But only if you first accept the religions tenets. Those tenets have to be learned no less so than the religious commandment, rituals, how to cook kosher food, etc.
"But why does someone deviate from the offical use of “a Chinese” to say “a Chinaman”?"
My guess is that it is because the use of the word "Chinese" as a demonym (especially in the singular) just feels really odd (at least to my well-worn American ears.) I think because the "-ese" ending signals "adjective" and not "noun" to me and I'm guessing others. Why THAT is, I have no idea, as it's not like there is a boatload of English adjectives with that ending. In fact, the ones I can think of off the top of my head are concerned with nationalities, ethnicities, etc. The net result is that it is much more common to hear "Chinese person" or "Vietnamese man" etc. than to hear someone referred to as "a Chinese."
"I refuse to accept the idea that being Jewish is any different from being Christian or Muslim."
Well, the funny thing about reality is that it exists whether we want to believe it or not. And there a Jewish ethnicty (or nationality or whatever you want to call it. The particular label is not terribly important to me.)
Think about it this way: If the Greeks had retained their polytheistic religion and the religion became known as "Greekism" and both practitioners of that religion and people who are of (national or ethnic) Greek descent (regardless of whether they practiced the religion or not) were known as Greeks, you would understand that although the two (the religion and the ethnicity) were roughly co-terminus, we would be calling two different things by the same name.
Same with Jews. A Jew is either 1) a practitioner of Judaism or 2) a person of Jewish ethnicity. While the majority of Jews are both, they need not be.
Contrast with Islam or Christianity. Both of these things ONLY describe a practitioner of the religion. There is no "Muslim" or "Christian" ethnicity.
"But they did not genetically inherit the Christian faith and the membership of their church. They had to be baptised."
Which they do either 1) as infants and/or 2) at a very young age and/or after years of youth indoctrination. No one genetically inherits religion.
In the same way, one may be genetically Jewish by birth, but is not a member of the Jewish faith by birth. That only comes with later acceptance of the religion.
"Christianity is not something you’re born into."
That's nonsense. Most every Christian in the world is Christian because it was the religion of his or her parents.
Shinto is the traditional religion of the Japanese people. It used to be more widely practiced than it is today.
"If “Jonggworen” is not a slur — something on which I hope we can agree — how can a literal translation of the word into English be a slur?"
Because "Jonggworen" is not in English and "Chinaman" is, and in English it's a slur. It's language; there is no logic to these things. "Polak" in Polish means a Polish man. In English, it's a slur. That's just the way it is.
"Last weekend’s Financial Times has a couple of letters from Chinese people complaining about a writer’s use of the word 'Chinama,' which they claim is racist."
It's a slur. Whether it is being used out of ignorance or racism is another question.
"As an Irish-American, I have absolutely no objections to being called an 'Irishman,' and sometimes myself use the word for myself."
It's not the equivalence. I'm sure that a Chinese man would not object to being called a Chinese man, which is the eqivalent to "Irishman" (lit.: Irish man.)
"Anyway, could you please explain to me why Jews are considered an ethnic group, but not Christians and Muslims?"
Because while Christianity and Islam are universal religions of no particular people, Judaism is essentially a tribal religion of the Jewish people or ethnicity. It is treated in the West as an eqivalent to Christianity and Islam (for historic and theological reasons) but whereas those two are universalist, Judaism is not; in what it is trying to be, it is more akin to Shinto (although obviously very different theologically.)
"I think the whole comparison between Appelfeld and Arendt is flawed
at it's core."
LMAO. Of course you do. Appelfeld's statement can be read as non-thinking, nationalistic bombast and Arendt was a thoughtful critic of the exercise of power. You get off on the former and are deeply troubled by the latter, because you're a mindless bully.
"Appelfeld’s description of German as 'the language of the murderers' is plain old racism."
I don't think it's racism. It's simply a fact that those who orchestrated the Holocaust were speaking German, and it was carried out, by and large, by men speaking German. (Just as the murder at Katyn and the mass rapes of German woman after the war were committed by men speaking Russian. Right, Oleg?)
It's somewhat pathetic that, 70 years later, he's still obsessing to this extent. I have human sympathy for it, but it is pathetic.