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unverified__c94lfa88

I've been an anti-Zionist and activist on behalf of Palestinian rights since 1970.

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  • 'Debate Ltd' seeks guerrillas for international hasbara army
    • They're training "Israeli sports figures, celebrities, artists and business people" to propagandize for Israel? I think those who are looking for a justification for boycotting all such people when they appear in the US have just found it.

  • When it comes to E Jerusalem, 'NPR' misleads and misinforms
    • The UN drawn one is entirely different. It included Bethlehem, by the way.

      See map: link to mideastweb.org

    • It appears many people have forgotten that Jerusalem itself was not to be part of either state according to the 1947 partition resolution. It was to remain an internationalized corpus separatum. Its occupation and division between Jordan and Israel in 1948 was recognized by nobody.

      To this day the US does not officially recognize even west Jerusalem as part of Israel, although things got a little murky after the mid-90s with passage of the advisory "Jerusalem Embassy Act".

      If you were born in Jerusalem and are an American citizen, your US passport will simply list your birthplace as "Jerusalem", with no country. At least that's the way it used to be until about 20 years ago when the US State Department caved in to many requests by Israeli dual citizens and agreed to identify their birthplace as "Jerusalem, Israel" if they so requested.

    • And here are the maps:

      Map of east Jerusalem
      link to en.wikipedia.org

      Detailed map of the city
      link to ir-amim.org.il

      Again, check that second site for lots of additional information.

    • I get so much hate mail already, I won't notice the difference :-).

      Pictures:
      Wall running through city
      link to stopthewall.org
      link to stopthewall.org

      And check the whole site.

    • The links didn't come through. It turns out these links are what the system considers "spammy".

      If you want the pictures and maps, let me know: arens@isi.edu

    • 2. Israel claims that it will not accept a return to the pre-67 days when a wall separated the two parts of the city (Jordanian and Israeli). But in fact, that's the situation that exists on the ground today! Israel's apartheid wall around Jerusalem passes through built-up areas, sometimes through the middle of streets. Some parts of what Israel considers the city (Palestinian parts, of course), are outside the wall, even! For example, see and . It makes as much sense to call what's on one side of the wall a "neighborhood" of Jerusalem as it does to use that term for what's on the other side. Obviously, Israel has no problem with a wall passing through the city. So we might as well move the wall back to the Green Line.

      For more detailed map see . You can clearly see how the wall does not even follow the Israeli municipal boundaries of the city.

    • I'll try it in parts.

      Good article. Just two more things that I find are hardly ever mentioned:

      1. What Israel today calls "Jerusalem" is an arbitrary creation that has no historical or cultural meaning. After Israel occupied the West Bank in 1967 it enlarged the municipal boundaries of Jerusalem way beyond anything that was ever considered to be the city. It annexed an area of the West Bank 12 (twelve!) times larger than what constituted the Jordanian city of Jerusalem up to that point. See map: . The tiny brown area is what those who are religious might argue is holy -- the old city. The small area bounded by the brownish line is original east (Jordanian) Jerusalem; the huge area bounded by the red line is Israel's "east Jerusalem". This new "Jerusalem" Israel now claims to be holy, indivisible etc. The purpose of enlarging the boundaries of the city this way was quite clearly to provide more area to move Israel's Jewish population into.

    • I'm trying to post a detailed comment, but the system claims it "appears spammy" and won't let me...

  • Israeli journo longs for the segregation of days past
    • unverified__c94lfa88 January 3, 2010 at 3:31 pm

      Israelis and their supporters in the U.S. have a special warm place in their heart for discriminatory policies. Evidently, they accept that Israel's policies are and should be such, and are seeking to vindicate Israel by getting everyone else to join in.

      But this doesn't make any sense. What is Oren suggesting? That the Nigerian would be bomber would have been put on a no-fly list if he weren't Muslim? Any evidence for that? Or is he suggesting that Muslims en masse be prohibited from boarding planes, or from flying to the U.S.? Does he believe the suspect's father would have been as eager to warn the CIA if he had perceived the U.S. to anti-Muslim?

      And how are we supposed to know who's a Muslim anyway? Should all countries mark a person's ethnic background in their IDs -- like Israel does?

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