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Annie Robbins
March 31, 2015, 2:57 am

and look at tis bs from 3/26 link to haaretz.com

Israel to use frozen Palestinian tax funds to offset PA electricity debt

Under the deal reached Thursday between the Prime Minister’s Office and the IEC, the electric company will receive 300 million shekels ($75.8 million) from the frozen PA tax revenues, equivalent to the Palestinian debt for the last three months – December, January and February.

[iow, it was already a done deal/in the works]

In addition, a solution has been found to a crisis surrounding the new Palestinian city of Rawabi; the city has remained empty due to Energy and Water Resources Minister Silvan Shalom’s refusal to connect it to the water infrastructure.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has approved a proposed compromise stipulating that both Rawabi and several neighborhoods in nearby settlements will be connected to the water system. The senior official stated that Israel had informed the Palestinian Authority of the decision.

meaning illegal outposts. FFFFFF**********CCCCKKKKK that

Annie Robbins
March 31, 2015, 2:37 am

they formally gain membership to the icc tomorrow, which is today in europe. so that ship will sail in a few hrs, at most. no, i think they are going thru w/it. they had months of waiting, being held back by the deal w/the state dept over negotiations. abbas has already stated he will carry on negotiations thru all this. it’s not abbas or the pa/plo holding up negotiations. if israel wants to play ball they are going to have to offer more than tax revenue. that’s my prediction.

the window for palestine making major inroads w/the icc is obama’s presidency. that’s another year and 9 months. this would be the time to go for it and i think they will.

Annie Robbins
March 31, 2015, 2:31 am

it’s not “a” jewish state i have a problem with. it’s the one they have and where they have it. jewish is not synonymous w/zionsim. they should have done it on an island or an uninhabited place. george bush bought a piece of land larger that the size of israel in south america in the last decade. i think for a blackwater training ground or something. they didn’t colonize the place , they bought it outright. sure, it’s screwed, but not like what happened to palestinians.

this is not going away. it won’t blend w/the times. not going to happen. ever.

March 31, 2015, 2:25 am

“has called for Jews to indigenize or leave. -”

Is that bad?

March 31, 2015, 2:23 am

“Most Jews support a Jewish state.”

Then shame on them.

Annie Robbins
March 31, 2015, 2:00 am

snore. you’re all over the map. and your allegation about African-Americans who oppose affirmative action? there is no mega million African-American industry here in america demonizing opposers of affirmative action. no well oiled media market pushing that ptv as bigotry. simply NO comparison to the islamophobic hate machine uplifting and supporting demonization of muslims. false equivalence to the max. hasbara #fail.

March 31, 2015, 1:53 am

Annie, I have faith in what Palestinian senior officials say as much as I do in what Israeli senior officials say. Of course I’m rooting for the Palestinians to go through with the ICC but I think some Palestinian officials are too beholden to Israel to let it happen. We should know in a few days.

Annie Robbins
March 31, 2015, 1:50 am

thanks mrw, i made a brief search of my comments/archives w/her name (nada) well aware i probably didn’t use her name in the post. so thanks.

Annie Robbins
March 31, 2015, 1:42 am

btw, just looked it up. in an email earlier today this is what i wrote

you have to learn how to scrutinize the way these things are reported. when the title doesn’t match the text. when the title is explosive, when the content has no quote from a palestinian official, or merely an anonymous quote, when the allegations are unbelievable, when the timing is such that it competes with big news (palestinian ascension to icc) and when it’s not picked up by responsible news org (reuters for example) and when it’s published by rt wing tools like glicks paper..it’s probably bullshit.

edit: in the exchange this is from my earlier initial response to jpost article:

the title is more definitive than the article. the article says “is not expected to”, the title say “won’t”…i am not sure parts of it are true or revealing. as i recall there was already an announcement (around the time they turned off the power during the snowstorm) that some of the tax money would be released to pay the electric bill. since this current story says the money will pay of debts for utilities it could be the same money, the same story just re-spun. it says “exclusive” while at the same time the information in headline is not confirmed by the report. so i’d be very doubtful this is an accurate report outside of what some people might expect, or hope for. or what israel is trying to bargain.

Annie Robbins
March 31, 2015, 1:39 am

walid, don’t believe that. a reader sent me the jpost article the other day and i smelled fish immediately because the title did not match the info in the article. link to jpost.com

then, haaretz published this today:

link to haaretz.com

Palestinians deny halting war crimes charges against Israel in exchange for tax revenues

March 31, 2015, 1:01 am

L0oks like he’s done it one more time; is anyone surprised?

From Maan News:

“Report: PA to pause ICC steps in exchange for tax revenues

Published Sunday 29/03/2015 (updated) 30/03/2015 22:05

JERUSALEM (Ma’an) — When the Palestinian Authority joins the International Criminal Court on April 1, it will hold off on steps to against Israel regarding settlement construction, Israeli media reported Sunday.

The Jerusalem Post newspaper reported that the decision follows Israel’s release of seized tax revenues.

According to the report, the ICC prosecutor has opened a preliminary examination on alleged Israeli war crimes during its devastating summer 2014 assault on Gaza.

Israel’s prime minister’s office announced Friday that Israel would release the funds it collects on the PA’s behalf and withheld as punishment for its move to join the ICC.

“Tax revenues that have been accumulated through February will be transferred, after payments for services to the Palestinian population have been deducted, including electricity, water and hospital bills,” a statement said.

March 31, 2015, 12:44 am

Excellent Storify.

March 31, 2015, 12:26 am

that is disingenious. black people aren’t expelled from the black community for being anti affrimitive action. jews however are expelled from the community at large if they aren’t zionist. most jews are zionists do to the implicent threat if they have a differing opinion. your own hatred of gilad atzmon is case in point.

March 31, 2015, 12:22 am

But she had great stamina to have visted 112 countries.

You would too if you had your own 767 and assistants to ferry you to the plane and carry your stuff onboard. ;-) She didn’t have anything to keep her at home, did she? ;-)

It give a whole new meaning to, “I want to eat Chinese tonight.”

March 31, 2015, 12:21 am

bullshit. your boy Passin committed a crime by inciting for the commition of a war crime genocide. Salaita did know such thing. and at no point actually called for harming Israelis and jews. the two aren’t comparable. one( saliata) was someone who was expressing his anger at his people being illegally harmed and never adovocating harm to anyone. which you condemned. the other (passin) called for the genocide of another people with zero provocation and was merely expressing his own blind hate and bigotry.

March 31, 2015, 12:19 am

Four Seasons reservations for a year or so.

March 31, 2015, 12:16 am

That’s a good point, pabelmont.

March 31, 2015, 12:14 am

thats a load of crap. there is not one single instances of salaita calling for genocide like pessin did. you lying jeff plan and simple. salaita was inciting or trafficking toward genocide. typical of you though to attack someone who is against warcrimes and defending someone who is

March 31, 2015, 12:14 am

I’m with just and Krauss based on my standard unofficial poll: the local deli. I was there for lunch last week, and the place was electric with Obama hatred and Netanyahu love. Granted the majority were older, but there were working age people as well. Bitching and moaning, Carrying on and on. Even the waiters chimed in. I felt like I was in a war zone.

March 31, 2015, 12:03 am

Obama cares too much about power, and he will need power after he leaves office. He doesn’t want to lose too much power, as Jimmy Carter has.
So he will never seriously undermine our “special relationship” with Israel.

I really think Obama has been a cruel hoax. Yes, he knows better, but he just doesn’t care as much about doing the right thing as he does holding onto his power and privilege in the American establishment.

He also has to deal with political enemies and masses of Americans who loathe him and think he is really a Jewish hating Muslim. They actually have convinced themselves that Obama is somehow anti Israel, despite ever more aid going to Israel, despite the vetoing of any resolution about Israel in the UN, etc. So in a way, I kinda understand his reticence to really crack down on Israel. Still, if Daddy Bush can crack down on Israel, why can’t a “progessive” like Obama?

March 30, 2015, 11:55 pm

“Opinion: Abbas should fire Habbash immediately”

Habbash is not whispering in Abbas’ ear anything that Abbas does not want to hear, otherwise he would have told him to shut up a long time ago.

March 30, 2015, 11:54 pm

but most of them still have no idea what neoconservatism is and how it has damaged our nation

March 30, 2015, 11:52 pm

Don’t forget Ron Paul. America had a chance, and chose to throw scorn on a wise man of peace. His son has sold out. I wish more progressives had given Dr. Paul consideration.

March 30, 2015, 11:40 pm

“These people think that if they can find ways to keep the letter of the Law, they need not concern themselves with the spirit of the Law.”

In electrical matters, I look to Buddhism for guidance, and always follow Ohm’s law.

March 30, 2015, 11:06 pm

“Bull. Salaita attacked Israeli society and Israelis. [….] You may be too refined to say it, but I’m not: I wish all the fucking West Bank settlers would go missing.”

So the “West Bank settlers” are “Israeli society and Israelis”?

Oh for Gawd’s sake, JeffyB, do West Bank settlers even have residency permits for Israel proper?

March 30, 2015, 10:58 pm

in 2013, Saudi Arabia deported 800,000 illegals most that had been there for years. It was believed that the departing illegals would create job openings for an equal number of unemployed nationals, which was somewhat absurd since illegals were mostly employed as street sweepers and garbage collectors and similar jobs that Saudis would never accept to do.

March 30, 2015, 10:54 pm

I knew about it before from David Sheen’s and Gideon Levy’s reports, but I can’t recall much else reported by the MSM other than the usual dismissals of the truth.

March 30, 2015, 10:46 pm

Just, those Africans deported to Uganda went directly into UN refugee camps there, not a very promising future. This was part of deportations/ arms deal between Uganda and Israel last year or so wherein Uganda gets free arms from Israel in exchange of allowing Israeli deportees into the country and directly to refugee camps. It’s a modern form of slave trading only instead of cash being exchanged, it’s arms.

March 30, 2015, 10:34 pm

“The other thing I learned is that when you Google “Blumenthal”” now, this Mondoweiss article piece is one of the first things that pops up. That’s got to be a little annoying to his office if they know. You know the story about Rick Santorum and Google, right?”

Well done, John!

I do remember Santorum’s Google “problem”~ Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert covered it magnificently.

Thanks for all that you’re doing.

March 30, 2015, 10:04 pm

Hello, Hophmi.

I did seriously ask for other peoples’ views on this for more ideas and information.

But as to you, it would be interesting to know whether you would agree that many pro-Israelis are really really really really intense about being pro-Israeli and avoid criticizing their political system and policies.

March 30, 2015, 10:03 pm

Actually, it does when the man making it has called for Jews to indigenize or leave.

March 30, 2015, 9:57 pm

Apartheid/Occupation/Incarceration/What Refugee Convention?:

“Israel will deport Eritrean, Sudanese refugees to Africa under new policy

Authorities believe there is no legal barrier to forcing Eritrean and Sudanese citizens to leave Israel for a third country that is not their native country – even if this is done against their will.

Israel will begin to deport Eritrean and Sudanese citizens to countries in Africa – even without their consent – under a new policy in the works at the initiative of the Israel Population and Immigration Authority.

Until now the state would impose considerable pressure on Eritrean and Sudanese asylum seekers to leave on their own accord, either to their native countries or to other African countries, but refrained from deporting them. Those who have left Israel have done so only after signing a document declaring that their departure is voluntary. This is because Israel grants group protection to asylum seekers from Sudan and Eritrea, as it is bound to by the Refugee Convention the state has signed. Group protection means that Israel cannot deport people whose lives would be in danger in their own country.

However, in the last few months the Population and Immigration Authority – a branch of the Interior Ministry – along with Justice Ministry representatives have been discussing a policy change. The authority believes that there is no legal barrier to forcing Eritrean and Sudanese citizens to leave Israel for a third country that is not their native country – even if this is done against their will. The Justice Ministry is expected to permit their deportation to neutral states. In the initial stage, the target countries are Rwanda and Uganda. The policy change will most likely not take place until it has the approval of the new interior minister, a post likely to go to Shas leader Arye Dery…..

…..There are currently about 42,000 citizens of Eritrea and Sudan in Israel, of which some 2,000 are being held in the Holot detention facility in the Negev. According to data the state provided the High Court, 5,803 citizens of Sudan and Eritrea left Israel last year, 1,093 of them to third countries. Until now, Israel has not revealed the names of the third countries or the nature of the agreements, if any, reached with them, but it is known that asylum seekers have been sent to Rwanda and Uganda.

A Haaretz investigation published last April revealed that those asylum seekers who left Israel for Rwanda and Uganda had no basic rights and no legal status in those countries. This made survival virtually impossible, prompting them to leave Rwanda and Uganda and resume being refugees once again, according to reports by human rights groups.

According to the United Nations refugee convention, asylum seekers cannot be sent to any country unless there is an agreement with that country that ensures safeguarding their rights and welfare, notes Oded Feller, an immigration lawyer with the Association of Civil Rights in Israel.

“The government of Israel has refused to expose any agreements with the governments of Uganda and Rwanda, and it is doubtful if any such agreements exist in writing. Those countries deny there are agreements at all,” added Feller.

The Population and Immigration Authority declined to provide a response.”

link to haaretz.com

Happy Passover Israel!

March 30, 2015, 9:49 pm

“Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did, except backwards and in high heels.”

She only did so because of Fred Astair as without him, Rogers would’t have accomplished so much. I wouldn’t discount the influence of Bill Clinton. But she had great stamina to have visted 112 countries.

March 30, 2015, 9:45 pm

What tree said! And thank you Mooser, that was perfect. And thank you, Annie for taking the time to research it.

Part of the problem I have with the “No Dogs or…” signs is that they are claimed to have been posted in the most dog-loving places, and, for some reason, no one has seen fit to preserve them. Whereas, I’ve seen numerous, supposedly original, “Irish need not apply” signs.

As for Alaska, as Philip Munger points out, there might have been a slight prejudice against dogs after someone brought his team of huskies in and stood them a few beers. The bars in Cordova were obviously prejudiced against the poor Indians looking to drown their sorrows. But, somehow, the dogs got top billing.

Well, you can imagine what a team of huskies are like after they’ve had a few.

March 30, 2015, 9:40 pm

He’s got the gift.

He’s capable of seeing so much in nuance, in the “little” things that are enormous, and write about them so clearly.

He can walk in someone else’s shoes.

March 30, 2015, 9:39 pm

You’re welcome. It’s a great video, isn’t it?

Thanks for the rest of your comment, too.

March 30, 2015, 9:36 pm

You can’t begin to imagine what I do.

That’s obvious.

Annie Robbins
March 30, 2015, 9:32 pm

you seem to think [….yada yada fill in a bunch a of crap…..] Foolish and short-sighted.

dabakr, it’s unfortunate that with over 26,677 comments on this blog as well as over 1k articles/posts you resort to creating strawmen to agrue with. i’m not addressing anymore of your “you seem to say” garbage. see ya round.

Annie Robbins
March 30, 2015, 9:24 pm

heavens to mergatroid if Israel were to provide troops , arms and logistics to conflicts as far reaching as Iran has and you would have exploded with outrage and indignation by now.

israel is cheap and smart. why on earth would they invest blood and treasure when they can manipulate the US to do it for them? it’s our troops that carry out their regional plans and do the dirty work. the absence of israeli troops / arms means nothing. don’t pretend because they don’t fight along side the US they are absent. they are obviously not for they have our congress critters by the balls when it comes to their interests.

again, do not speak for me. i will trash the comment.

March 30, 2015, 9:20 pm

“Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did, except backwards and in high heels.”

March 30, 2015, 9:14 pm

I had forgotten all about the “shelling,” a blah chick. Thanks.

And it wasn’t just shelling. It was a US battleship, the New Jersey, pumping devastating, 16″, one ton shells Into Druze positions in the Bekaa Valley. Retaliation was promised, in this article, by the Druze militias.

link to nytimes.com

As Annie is saying, the Marine barracks bombing could have been anyone. It was Lebanon in the ’80s (aka a vicious, multi-sided, hot mess).

Annie Robbins
March 30, 2015, 9:13 pm

I don’t know what in the world you would consider “expansion” to mean.

facepalm. golly gee, how very confusing /NOT.

Are you parsing the word ‘expansion to define only your take on the Israeli policy of building Jewish and Arab(Palestinian)-yes-Israel funds building 100s of homes for Palestinians as well- homes on land

i am not “parsing” anything. i am referencing the literal, common definition

websters link to merriam-webster.com

: to increase in size, range, or amount : to become bigger

: to cause (something) to increase in size, range, or amount : to make (something) bigger


link to en.wikipedia.org

In general, expansionism consists of expansionist policies of governments and states. …., more commonly expansionism refers to the doctrine of a state expanding its territorial base usually, though not necessarily, by means of military aggression. Compare empire-building, colonialism, and Lebensraum.

March 30, 2015, 9:09 pm

“just, i thought everyone (informed) already knew she was a fraud and a liar.”

I did, you did, so many others did. She is an Islamophobic opportunist, first and foremost. It pays the rent. She’s not the first to bring her “story”, and to transform it into cha-ching! Look at Walid Shoebat.

Islamophobia appeals to many people. Being a fraud and a liar pales in comparison. It’s apparently excusable and expected in the “cause” of the haters.

She and her husband, Niall Ferguson, will perhaps rue the day that they decided to stir this particular pot.

March 30, 2015, 9:07 pm

I remain unconvinced that women are, in general, motivated by the same things that men are. Nor do they communicate in the same way.

As far as I’m aware, despite marrying a Jewish man, Chelsea Clinton didn’t convert to Judaism. I have never thought that was a small thing.

I’ve looked everywhere for a 1-second clip I once saw of Hillary talking about it, adding with a smile that she thought it was a good choice for many couples.

Good choice? For MANY couples?

The minute those words came out of her mouth, I shook my head in disbelief, “She’s not a Zionist. ”

Did I misunderstand her? Did I misread what she say? No. It was only a nanosecond but, if you caught it and were watching her, the clarity was unmistakable. There isn’t a single word that comes out of Hillary’s mouth – ever – that isn’t 100% designed and controlled.

If she becomes President will she just be another pawn in a game of men or will she become an older raging lioness protecting her newest cub (her grand-daughter). …and by extension, all of us.

Add that to the “vast right-wing conspiracy” and how she’s been treated in Washington, and we may well see the perfect storm:

“Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.”

March 30, 2015, 8:37 pm


well, you certainly seem satisfied with the Obama admins. handling of the security of the middle east-though if I actually used bar quotes improperly (i thought I used them correctly) to convey your position -I do apologize.

Still- I don’t really see what your arguing about. Your arguing for the least plausible perpetrator for the marine barracks and not even Iran spends any effort disputing this. Plus- Iran has done absolutely zero afaics for the Palestinians except to pay lip service and threaten the ‘zionist entity’. I am surely wary of how Obamas clear favouring of the Shi’a ‘axis’ (and no-I don’t see any allusion to nazis in the use of the word ‘axis’) over the Sunnis is going to work out for the Palestinians who are deeply Sunni in culture if not sentiments. The whole Obama ‘vision’ is totally a mystery to me and many others that-as I said-are not necessarily Zionist. Maybe if he would explain it would help.

For cripes sake-even the friggin neo-cons explained the exact theory of their Iraq strategy. Then they quickly didn;t follow it after shock and awe-screwed the whole pooch- and we have the Iraqi debacle.

And while commentors here on MW may consider the alignment of policy between certain gulf states and Israel I surely don’t consider those unstable regimes any less of a danger to the region then the mullah controlled and brutally managed regime in Tehran.

And to the few other Iranian apologists who keep bringing up the overthrow of Mossedehg in 53 as the ’cause of it all’- I have to question wether the current 60-70% of Iranians under 40 really give two shts about an event grounded in post ww2 colonialism-NOT initiated by the US/CIA but aided by them in conjunction with the Brits and anti-Socialist /pro-monarchy factions inside Iran. I am sure many Iranians my age have never been thrilled with the level of support the US gave to Shah but then there are dozens of other nations post ww2 that suffered the fate of the waining euro colonialists and the rise of the American empire. It all has very little to do with the i/p conflict except as regards to the ‘enemy-of-my-enemy’ school of thought.

Philip Munger
March 30, 2015, 8:34 pm

First read of this list: Awkward. Took me 400 words before I caught the tone and perspective. Yet a compelling read.

Second read: Brilliant. As gracie fr wrote above, “poignant.”

Philip W’s voice is becoming more resonant. He has always been a first-rate journalist. He is 3/4 of the way to being one of the most important commentators in print of our generation.

Now – for a third read.

Annie Robbins
March 30, 2015, 8:27 pm

The Chinese analogy is also meretricious. There aren’t many Chinese people in the Middle East

it’s irrelevant to the pt. the pt being, if it had been the chinese colonizing palestine there would have been anti chinese sentiment (and he made the pt wrt native americans too). the pt of the analogy; the resentment, anger, hatred, or how ever you care to characterize it, is not a result of racism. go look at the headline and try staying on topic.

There are six million Jews there now, and they’re NOT LEAVING.

you take the cake on meretricious argument, this too has nothing to do w/the topic -whatsoever.

Annie Robbins
March 30, 2015, 8:22 pm

just, i thought everyone (informed) already knew she was a fraud and a liar. i watched that 4 pt dutch series a few years ago (and have posted some of the videos here in comment thread(s) in the past although i have never written a main post about her. it’s not controversial she’s a fraud, i think she got kicked out of dutch parliament (and as i recall possibly lost her refugee status from the dutch gov too) as a result of her lying. how could anyone believe anything she said having fabricating a past like that?

March 30, 2015, 8:05 pm

I’ve learned that we underestimate women at our own peril.

I have no gut feeling but a part of me seriously wonders whether Hillary isn’t playing the long game — the only game she can, right now.

Once in power, she’ll slam down the hammer.

If so, it won’t be just Whac-A-Mole. She’ll demolish the entire game with a fury that will be breath-taking.

March 30, 2015, 7:56 pm

Interesting piece by Rogel Alpher:

“If only Obama would really get mad

It is our moral duty and civil right to encourage the president to act against Israel’s racist and anti-democratic regime.

I wish Barack Obama would get really upset with Benjamin Netanyahu. That’s my hope. For six years the American president has disappointed opponents of Israeli apartheid and occupation, and proponents of the two-state solution on the Palestinian side. For six years he’s basically supported the suicidal, self-destructive behavior of most Jews in Israel, led by Netanyahu.

For reasons about which there’s no time to think and which have no point (since when has the feeling of discrimination in the periphery deserved to be a reason to justify ruling over another people?) – people are determined to sacrifice Israel in an ongoing religious-nationalist bloodbath, in what is becoming a binational state consisting of a democratic regime for the Jews and a separate regime for Palestinians that denies their civil rights.

While Obama allows this disaster to happen, a growing number among us have illusions of extending Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria, boosting the Jewish fertility rate, bringing all the Jews on Earth here, and priming ourselves for the coming of the Messiah.

Are Obama’s eyes blinded to the point where he does not see that his unconditional support of Israel is responsible for creating the conditions that allow and even encourage growth of the apartheid and binational state here? Does he not understand that, without the financial, military and diplomatic assistance that he provides Israel, the settlement and occupation enterprise would collapse?

Does he not get that under his leadership, if he were to publicly harden his heart toward Netanyahu and Israel – Europe would follow his footsteps, and economic sanctions and boycotts would be speedily imposed on Israel, forcing its Jewish citizens to change their diplomatic outlook? Does he not know that if he would just stop providing spare parts for fighter jets, the feverish illusion would dissipate, and sanity would once again prevail among us?…

… While he resided in Chicago, he was a close friend of Palestinian-American intellectual and historian Rashid Khalidi. He knows exactly what damage is being caused to Palestinians because of American support for Israel…

…Obama’s motives don’t matter to us, those who refuse to reconcile with Israeli apartheid, to the point of reconsidering our devotion to a country that’s losing its humanity. The main thing is that he take action. And if the trigger should be personal loathing for Netanyahu and the desire to punish him for his lies and intrigues – that is all the better. Revenge is the most power of motives.

We need not have any ethical objection to taking action against a regime that has lost its moral validity. We refuse to cooperate with the journey of self-destruction, the collective suicide. It is our moral duty and civil right to encourage Obama to act against the racist and anti-democratic Israeli regime. It’s an effective and legal protest.

If only he would listen to our voice and do something. It’s his last term. He doesn’t need Jewish donors again for an election campaign. American Jews who serve as a lobby for Netanyahu are contemptible colonialists who don’t even pay, like Israeli residents, the colonialist price they are funding. And if because of Obama they won’t support Hillary Clinton’s race for the presidency, we can hope that enough J Street supporters can be found among the American Jewish community.

Save us, Obama.”

link to haaretz.com

Hillary ain’t “the one” to save you, Rogel.

March 30, 2015, 7:41 pm

By asking the question you’ve already answered it.

Annie Robbins
March 30, 2015, 7:36 pm

even Iran knows it funded the bombing. People in the real world-….-do not dispute what the basic origins of the marine barracks bombing are.

ah, you and the “real world” impressive, not. here’s wiki:

An obscure group calling itself ‘Islamic Jihad’ claimed responsibility for the bombings.[2]

The chain of command likely ran from Tehran, to Iran’s Ambassador to Syria, Ali Akbar Mohtashamipur in Damascus, to IRGC commander Hossein Dehghan, in Beirut, as the Iranians drew on assets in Lebanon.[3] Hezbollah, Iran and Syria have continued to deny any involvement in any of the bombings

likely – but nothing definitive. the rest is just a bunch of yada yada yada. remember when hariri was assassinated. at first it was definitely syria and then they changed their minds and decided it was hezbollah. winep claimed the lebanon bombing was Mughniyah and now that iran is the worst of the worst it’s iran. i mean please. it’s a constant shift of the goal posts when the primo enemy changes.

March 30, 2015, 7:34 pm

“Is big-Zion up there with big-banks, big-defense, big-oil, big-pharma, big-agri (Monsanto), etc., in terms of power to run USA’s foreign policy?”

Your question assumes they’re all separate.

March 30, 2015, 7:22 pm

I think that Netanyahu is a trendsetter with his purple rinse!

In the pic, McConnell has a slightly purplish hue to his hair, or could it be a reflection from Netanyahu’s burning gaze, his ever- blue tie, his highly tinted hair, and the remnants of nuclear material and white phosphorus on his hands?

(apologies to 2 of my former teachers who did rinse their hair to a charming purple. They also had a gaze that could burn the fright into some of the wee hooligans!)

March 30, 2015, 7:17 pm

My naive comment is the following. Why should a huge country like Iran not have nuclear bombs when Israel has hundreds of such bombs. Israel is a very small country full of crazy irrational right-wing racist Zionists supported by small numbers of crazy irrational Zionists here in the USA and seemingly in other countries too.

I fear that if any US press person said this he/she would be destroyed immediately by the Jewish controlled US media. Am I imagining this ? Can anyone tell me that I am deluded ?

March 30, 2015, 7:13 pm

Great comment, HarryLaw.

And domestically, I think the GOP base disproportionately does the fighting and dying to “support” their leaders madness. In my military town people are above their eyeballs in duty and sadness. They’re exhausted.

March 30, 2015, 7:06 pm

I don’t know if anyone else has been following this amazing meltdown of the “Neocon Honor Brigade” on twitter, but Max B. has now made it into a Storify:

“Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s Neoconservative Honor Brigade
A look at the militant neoconservative network that has mobilized to defend the honor of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, one of the world’s leading Islamophobes, against my factual reporting.”

link to storify.com

March 30, 2015, 6:50 pm

+1 RoHa!

Annie Robbins
March 30, 2015, 6:39 pm

don’t mind the dot dot dot dabkr, but you might think twice next time before putting words in the mouth of the moderator, words never spoken that is. i let you get away with it once in the comment, but twice? please.

March 30, 2015, 6:38 pm

US electorate would not look fondly on a war with Iran after the costly, long fraud war on Iraq & Afghanistan, especially the former. Troops on the ground would be more important than when Bush Jr’s neocons attacked Iraq, and the notion of reinstitution of the military draft is a dog that won’t run, anywhere, anytime. Imagine if females were to be conscripted! LOL

March 30, 2015, 6:29 pm


March 30, 2015, 6:19 pm


Depends how general you want to be. Most people in the world have never heard of either Rabbi Hillel or the organization. I knew of the Rabbi from arcane studies in early Christianity, but I only learned of the organization from MW. And I have taught in American universities!

I’ll assume you aren’t Jewish. Among American Jewish students Hillel is very well known. That a vendor isn’t well known for people who aren’t potential customers doesn’t mean much. The public is the public of customers. If “Open Hillel” were selling flowers to Mormons they would have a better claim but they are going after the same customer base using B’nai Brith’s property.

March 30, 2015, 6:19 pm

‘Calling for genocide in a vague sense’ – lol. I take it you mean there is no evidence that he is calling for genocide, but you are going to accuse him of it, nevertheless, in a ‘vague sense’. Well, at least you out yourself as unconcerned with any details like what people actually do or say, and just make stuff up about them, in order to satisfy your deeply held prejudices. You are deliberately misleading and deceptive about the context for Salaita’s tweets (which were about the slaughter of helpless people in Gaza, and the state sanctioned racism inherent in the occupation and dispossession of Palestine); and you are clueless, or mendacious, about his books. No doubt you hope no-one will check, but readers of Mondoweiss will already know, having read Phan Nguyen’s excellent takedown of the affair. Perhaps you should make more of an effort to read this site, instead of trolling the threads, issuing pontificating evidence-free comments which are straight from the hasbara handbook – accusations you can’t support, except ‘in a vague sense’.

a blah chick
March 30, 2015, 6:19 pm

If I recall correctly the U.S. Navy had been shelling in Lebanon before the attack. So what happened was that they had taken sides in a civil war and the attack on the barracks was the result.

Reagan pulled them out shortly after and it was the best thing he ever did.

March 30, 2015, 6:16 pm

Israels official explanation for the attack-which acknowledged responsibility btw-is every bit as plausible as all the highfaluting conspiracy theories floating about. I am sure you know the cliche about the most obvious explanation often being the most truthful. You can argue so-called “plausible theories” out the wazoo as an after-the-fact armchair detective but that can lead to all sorts of dead-ends and red-herrings. Since Israel has never denied the attack-its enemies are somehow not satisfied unless they can somehow pin the one-time attack to some other large world shattering event. Good luck with that, I just don;t see it happening. Especially-as I have mentioned-there are far greater killings of American servicemen from belligerent foreign actors such as the Marine barracks bombing and the USS Cole to mention just 2. You choose to hyper focus on the Liberty which is not really a mystery to those living in reality.

But-i will admit-reality is strange here on MW since I have annie arguing that Iran-in 5 different nations spanning 1000s of miles is not ‘expansionist’ while Israel is the ‘most’ expansionist nation on earth (i guess barring the US?) and that she is totally satisfied that […..] to manage the problems of the ME. Good luck with that kind of policy.

March 30, 2015, 6:09 pm

even Iran knows it funded the bombing. You have recycled your own teams revision of events and then gone to them as evidence that they never happened. People in the real world-and I am not talking about people that support Israel necessarily-do not dispute what the basic origins of the marine barracks bombing are. If you want to get into highly ethereal conspiracy theories-I can;t help you out. Your lost in that case and nothing could change your mind. I can’t even believe I have to argue who “wanted the marines out” and who was behind the bombing. Its pathetic. One does;t have to be a supporter of Zionism to acknowledge the obvious trail leading to that debacle. Its like arguing that iran had absolutely nothing to do with the bombings in Argentina.

….Oh no. Don’t tell me……

March 30, 2015, 6:03 pm

you seem to think unleashing the Shi’a Iran on the region would do more to help the Palestinians the having KSA, Egypt and all the other allies Obama is throwing over for his so-called ‘deal’ )including the Iranian propping up of the most brutal regime of Assad-which Syrians should rightfully be outraged at you for) While its true that the Saudi-Egyrp Axis has not done the Palestinians much good I can’t see what your reasoning is that Iran would do more. It seems like a knee-jerk-“my enemies enemy-I like kind of response. Foolish and short-sighted.

March 30, 2015, 6:02 pm

I thought I was alone!

I’ve done it over and over again, and I keep laughing.

March 30, 2015, 6:02 pm

Thank you, very much, John. Now I understand why Professor Hill had such strong objections to a pool table. Thanks again.

March 30, 2015, 5:54 pm

“Now I think Atzmon is too strong in his criticism, but in any case, do you actually think that he is inciting against people for being Jews?”

Are you serious?

March 30, 2015, 5:53 pm

This is a meretricious argument. Most Jews support a Jewish state. That much is true. So, although it may be technically true that there’s no Jewish consensus on Zionism, it’s the same as saying that there’s no African-American consensus on affirmative action. Are there African-Americans who oppose affirmative action? Yes, a few. Do many, if not most African-Americans read a bit of anti-black racism into vociferous anti-affirmative action arguments? Yes.

It’s the same with Israel. Are there Jews who oppose Zionism or Israel’s existence as a Jewish state? Yes, a few. Do many, if not most, Jews read a bit of antisemitism into obsessive anti-Zionist arguments? Yes. Is that the same thing as saying that Zionism and Judaism are equal?

The Chinese analogy is also meretricious. There aren’t many Chinese people in the Middle East. There were tens of thousands of Jewish in the Arab world, most of whom lived as second-class citizens in the Middle East in the pre-Zionist period. It’s a little of Norman Finkelstein’s old bit about if grandma was a baby carriage, would she have wheels? It really doesn’t matter what would have happened with the Chinese. There are six million Jews there now, and they’re NOT LEAVING.

March 30, 2015, 5:49 pm


unconfirmed? again I have to accuse of of being ridiculous as it is well known by all players in the international arena that Iranian revolutionary guard forces as well as regular army are on the ground, arms are funded and tactical assistance is provided to conflicts in Yemen Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza and if that doesn’t constitute expansion of Iranian FP and aspirations I don’t know what in the world you would consider “expansion” to mean. Are you parsing the word ‘expansion to define only your take on the Israeli policy of building Jewish and Arab(Palestinian)-yes-Israel funds building 100s of homes for Palestinians as well- homes on land disputed by the UN and international arena? Its a shallow definition if so-consideingr both the size of the land compared{iran vs. Israel] and the threat such sup[posed expansion poses to neighbors.
You want to turn a blind eye to Iranian expansion-as an American-do so at your own peril. I still haven’t heard a reasonable explanation from your president

heavens to mergatroid if Israel were to provide troops , arms and logistics to conflicts as far reaching as Iran has and you would have exploded with outrage and indignation by now. Simply typing “fail” doesn’t make me wrong. I am stating facts and you are parsing the interpretation of these facts to meet your agenda. Your debating skills are usually unparalleled here but not sure what your trying to prove. As I said-I would like to hear what Obamas ‘grand vision’ is for ME. He can;t just ignore KSA, Qatar, UAE, Iraqi Sunni(IS) Egypt Oman,etc. And you still have to explain what the Iranians have done for the predominantly Sunni Palestinians?

March 30, 2015, 5:49 pm

“Most people in the world have never heard of either Rabbi Hillel”

Rabbi Hillel? Everybody knows Hillel. He’s in all kinds of colloquial sayings like “When Hillel freezes over”, or “going to Hillel in a hand-basket” or “come Hillel or high water”.

That’s why their “trademark” claim is so ridiculous. They can go to Hillel.

March 30, 2015, 5:43 pm

Me too. I happen to have excellent misreading comprehension!

March 30, 2015, 5:41 pm

RE: “That’s the sort of statement that must infuriate Obama.” ~ lysias

MY REPLY: I recall an article (can’t find it just now) about the Obama people considering the potential impact of their I-P “reassessment” (i.e., taking a harder line with Netanyahu) on Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and they decided that it wouldn’t hurt her campaign because she could distance herself from Obama’s “reassessment”. To the contrary, they concluded that it might even help her raise money from pro-Israel Democrats who wanted the next president to be willing to return the special U.S.-Israel relationship to a constructive footing (i.e. the good, old, pre-Obama days)!

March 30, 2015, 5:19 pm

There are certain reasons why people are silent.

March 30, 2015, 5:18 pm

It’s simply that we here in America are blessed to have the finest government money can buy.

March 30, 2015, 5:15 pm

That’s the sort of statement that must infuriate Obama. Hillary must be very confident that nothing can stop her now.

But, if she is so confident, why does she have such need of money from the donors?

March 30, 2015, 5:12 pm

That statement about how Jews got wealthy is of course ridiculous but I would hardly characterize it as anywhere near as racist as the words that come from Hoenlein.

In fact, I would call it an overly generous explanation.

The vast majority of people who have accumulated real wealth (Jews and non Jews alike) have done some pretty sleazy/evil things to their fellow citizens in order to get that wealth (the exceptions arguably being highly paid entertainers and athletes and maybe lottery winners).

March 30, 2015, 5:10 pm

RE: “[T]oday there is an article on page A13 of the New York Times headlined ‘Clinton Wants to Improve Ties With Israel’, that reports that Clinton called Malcolm Hoenlein, the president of a leading American pro-Israel organization, yesterday to say that she wants the relations between the countries to get back on a positive track after the mess Obama has made.” ~ Weiss

MY COMMENT: Hillary Clinton is the quintessential ‘ rank opportunist’ – much like her hubby!

March 30, 2015, 5:00 pm

Simon Tisdall:

“At last a nuclear deal with Iran is in sight. The chance must not be spurned

All sides have strategic, security and moral reasons to bring Iran in from the cold.

……….All that said, bringing Iran in from the cold is a moral imperative too. The US-led ostracism of this proud, talented and historically pro-western nation has lasted far too long. It has been immensely damaging for Iranians, Europeans and the region. It has encouraged political and religious hardliners on all sides, at a time when productive, moderating, cooperative relationships with Muslim countries are badly needed.

A deal could be done this week. It certainly should be.”

link to theguardian.com

I agree, totally. (probably not a surprise, either ;-)

March 30, 2015, 4:52 pm

In addition, Obama will veto any sanctions, and it’s highly questionable that the Neocons will muster the votes to override a veto. Then of course it’s the UN, and not the US, that will eliminate the present sanctions, so new US sanctions will be pretty impotent if they could pass.

March 30, 2015, 4:43 pm

OK, up until 2:34, it was good, and it’s important to be against anti-semitism like he explains. But then he says Gilad Atzmon is inciting against Jews. However, if Max is wrong and Atzmon is not making incitement, then Max is unfortunately also misusing the term anti-Semitism and labeling people who aren’t.

In reality, Atzmon (who is Jewish) does not criticize all, Jews, but directs much attention against those who create secular nationalist organizations because he believes that solidarity organizations should not be divided based on one’s nationality, and that to do otherwise is exclusionary (what he calls “tribalism”). Now I think Atzmon is too strong in his criticism, but in any case, do you actually think that he is inciting against people for being Jews?

March 30, 2015, 4:42 pm

P.P.S. RE: “Hoenlein’s salary as CEO of the Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations (PMJO) is in excess of $400,000/year.” – me (from above)

SEE: “The ‘Israel First’ Industry and CEO Profiteering”, by James Petras, dissidentvoice.org, 1/16/14

[EXCERPTS] During the first half of the 20th century, socially conscious Jews in the United States organized a large network of solidarity and charity associations financed mostly through small donations, raffles, and dues by working and lower middle class supporters. Many of these associations dealt with the everyday needs of Jewish workers, immigrants, and families in need. . .
. . . Over the past fifty years a far-reaching transformation has taken place within Jewish organizations, among its leaders and their practices and policies. Currently, Jewish leaders have converted charities, social aid-societies and overseas programs for working class Jews into money machines for self-enrichment; converted charities funding health programs for Jewish refugees fleeing Nazism into the funding of colonial settlements for armed Zionist zealots intent on uprooting Palestinians; and organized a powerful political machine which buys US Congress people and penetrates the Executive in order to serve Israeli military aims. From defending human rights and fighting fascism, the leaders of the principle Jewish organizations defend each and every Israeli violation of Palestinian human rights – from arbitrary arrests of non-violent dissidents to the detention of children in ‘cages.’ Israel’s Kafkaesque prolonged administration detention without trial is approved by contemporary leaders. In the past Jewish leaders, especially labor and socially-engaged activists had joined forces with Leftists in opposition to political bigots, McCarthyite purges and blacklists. Today’s leaders practice the very same bully, blackmail and blacklist politics against critics of Israel and its Zionist appendages.
In the past Jewish leaders of social aid organizations received modest salaries . . .
. . . The moderately social liberal Jewish weekly, The Forward, recently completed a survey of the salaries of Jewish “not-for profits” leaders, with the aid of a professor from the Wharton School of Business (University of Pennsylvania). Among the leading profiteers was Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) earning $688,280, Howard Kohr of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) — $556,232, David Harris of the American Jewish Committee (AJC) — $504,445, Morton Klein of the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) — $435,050, Janice Weinman of Hadassah — $410,000, Malcolm Hoenlein of the Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations (PMJO) — $400,815, Mark Helfield of the Hebrew Immigration Aid Society — $268,834 and Ann Toback of the Workmen’s Circle/Arbeter Ring — $185,712. These salaries and perks put the Jewish leaders of non-profits in the upper 10% of US incomes — a far cry from the not-too-distant past. According to the analysis by the Forward and the Wharton team, ‘most leaders (CEOs) are vastly overpaid – earning more than twice what the head of an organization of their size would be expected to make”.
While the membership has declined in many organizations, especially among working and lower middle class Jews, the funding has increased and most important the plutocratic leaders have embraced a virulent militarist foreign policy and repressive domestic policies. Forward describes Abraham Foxman as “diverting the ADL from its self-described mission of fighting all forms of bigotry in the US and abroad to putting the ADL firmly on the side of bigotry and intolerance.” . . .
. . . The overwhelming response of the Jewish readers to the Forward’s survey was one of indignation, disgust, and anger. As one reader commented, “The economic disconnect between their (CEOs) salaries and the average incomes of those who contribute to their charities is unacceptable”. Another indignant reader remarked succinctly: “Gonifs! (Thieves!)”. Many announced they could cut off future donations. One formerly orthodox reader stated, “I would rather give to a street beggar than to any of these”.
The drop-off of donations from lower-middle class Jews, however, will have little effect in reducing the salaries of the ‘non-profit’ CEO’s or changing the politics of their ‘non-profits; because they increasingly depend on six and seven digit contributions from Jewish millionaires and billionaires. Moreover, the contributions by big donors are linked to the politics of repression at home and securing multi-billion dollar military aid and trade programs for Israel from the US Treasury. The billionaire donors have no objection to funding the millionaire leaders – as long as they concentrate their efforts on buying the votes of US Congress members and aligning their politics with Israel’s war aims. . .

ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to dissidentvoice.org

March 30, 2015, 4:41 pm

” Don’t forget the camps they were forced to live in!”

Allan Sherman was the only man who could describe the horror of the camps.

March 30, 2015, 4:40 pm

“He’s a special cat, he’s an epiphany distributor.”

Yes, he is. That’s an apt description of what he does so well! I am very glad that you are highlighting this~ I saw it at the beginning of March, and archived it.

He’s already made a huge contribution toward truth & justice on Palestine/Israel. He’s wise beyond his years.

March 30, 2015, 4:34 pm


Article 1, Section C3 of the 1951 Refugee Convention.

Israel is a signatory. Why do you think the GoI constantly whines about host countries not offering the Palestinians citizenship. They want the problems and responsibility lifted from their shoulders by others so as to enable their crimes without consequence.

link to unhcr.org

March 30, 2015, 4:31 pm

I applaud Mr. Fearey’s letter, and also his persistence, since I know from my own efforts how frustrating it is to be met with the blank wall of rhetoric/form letters those of us who aren’t m/billionaire donors typically receive from Washington. (You don’t suppose they don’t really want to hear from us, do you?)

I also applaud Mr. Dickerson’s letter (and his enthusiasm!) … but wish he’d acknowledged the original author of the letter he sent, who, if I’m reading it right, appears to be Mr. Fearey. Apologize if I have that wrong, but I don’t, why didn’t anyone else notice?

Mr. Fearey’s strong encouragement that we all get busy writing our representatives is well taken, so I will, and will encourage fellow travelers to do the same. Because you’re right … now that he’s making some respectable efforts, we should do everything possible to help Mr. Obama continue.

March 30, 2015, 4:31 pm

P.S. Malcolm Hoenlein’s* racist characterization of Iranians very much reminds me of the time recently when a couple of Republican county chairmen in the great state of South Carolina wrote in a newspaper op-ed:

“There is a saying that the Jews who are wealthy got that way not by watching dollars, but instead by taking care of the pennies and the dollars taking care of themselves.”**

* Hoenlein’s salary as CEO of the Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations (PMJO) is in excess of $400,000/year.

** SEE: 2 South Carolina Republicans Apologize for Reference to Jewslink to nytimes.com

March 30, 2015, 4:29 pm

Why wait?

Perhaps somnolent US citizens will get so ticked off that he won’t dare step foot on US soil again.

March 30, 2015, 4:26 pm

JAMES/PHIL- “The Obama administration is doing its utmost to sign a deal with Iran right now, and Israel is upset about it.”

The US “doing its utmost?” Perhaps you could share with us your reliable intelligence sources? No, not BS public statements by selected officials. Personally, I always felt that the nuclear issue was a pretext for the sanctions which, in turn, were a form of economic warfare to either destabilize Iran or force them back into the US sphere of influence. And Netanyahu’s warmongering is primarily designed to make Obama’s warmongering seem reasonable by comparison. From December of 2014, here is Gareth Porter’s take on the administration’s efforts:

“But an even more important, the evidence indicates that the administration feels that it has no incentives to reach an agreement with Iran, because it is getting most of what it wants already under the status quo.” (Gareth Porter)
link to counterpunch.org

March 30, 2015, 4:25 pm

RE: “[T]oday there is an article on page A13 of the New York Times headlined “Clinton Wants to Improve Ties With Israel,” that reports that Clinton called Malcolm Hoenlein, the president of a leading American pro-Israel organization, yesterday to say that she wants the relations between the countries to get back on a positive track after the mess Obama has made.” ~ Weiss

SEE: “American Jewish leader calls Iranians manipulative ‘bazaaris’” ~ Philip Weiss,

, January 31, 2014
[EXCERPT] From Haaretz’s Chemi Shalev, who interviewed Malcolm Hoenlein, head of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations:
When Iranian Foreign Minister Muhammad Zarif was his country’s envoy to the United Nations, he invited Malcolm Hoenlein to have dinner at his New York home. “I keep kosher, so I didn’t eat,” Hoenlein recalls, “but we had plenty to talk about.”

“He’s a charming guy,” Hoenlein says, “I don’t dispute it. He’s intelligent and clever. Iranian President Hassan Rohani is also clever.” He pauses for a few seconds before delivering his punch line: “But we forget: These guys have been ‘bazaaris’ [bazaar merchants] for 2,000 years, while we come in as novices. They can run circles around us. They know how to negotiate and how to manipulate every situation.”

Heard any good stories about shifty-eyed Jews lately? [Dare I mention Benjamin Netanyahu? – J.L.D.] . . .

SOURCE – link to mondoweiss.net

March 30, 2015, 4:20 pm

“Father of three killed in hit-and-run by Israeli settler”

Ghastly. May he rest in peace and may the illegal, fanatic settler be held accountable by imprisonment and financial responsibility for the children and wife. ( I can dream for justice, can’t I?)

I must say that I very much appreciate the way that the article was written.

“Israel seeks permission to demolish ancient Palestinian village
IMEMC/Agencies 29 Mar — The Israeli public prosecution has asked the Israeli High Court of Justice for permission to demolish the ancient Palestinian village of Sussia [Susiya, Susya], and relocate its residents to Yatta, near Hebron, allowing for more “archaeological” work at the site.”

It’s complete donkey poo. It’s theft. And any archaeological finds are Palestinian, too.
“Turkish medical NGO opens branch in Gaza”

Thank you ‘Earth Doctors’ and all other staff!
“For Hamza: Arms sanctions against Israel’s everyday terrorism”

I’ll always remember little, beautiful Hamza.

“Opinion: Abbas should fire Habbash immediately”

You bet. Then there is the problem that is Abbas himself… he needs to read Saree Makdisi’s words and commit them to memory. Perhaps he needs to step aside and let a new Palestinian leader (Mustafa Barghouti, Hanan Ashrawi, anyone that the Palestinians want, of course!) have a good go at it!
I’ll be back later. Thanks, Kate.

March 30, 2015, 4:15 pm

Well said. For safety from antisemitism in Europe, 1900-1945, Jews became Zionists and conquered and stole Palestine. Today, with hardly any antisemitism anywhere but plenty of anti-Zionism especially in M/E,, Zionists complain that they are not welcome in Palestine (surprise!) and must take more and more territory and kill and torture and attack more and more people (I suppose some of them say: in order to become safer where they are). No thought (as in 1940s) of going somewhere ELSE to find safety. South America anybody? No siree Bob, manufacturing anti-Zionism and calling it antisemitism works just fine.

March 30, 2015, 3:57 pm

Dear Double, It appears that most of the posters here are Jews. Can’t you see why they might shed tears of sadness & shame at the injustices, brutalities, & humiliations committed by a group of their own people, calling themselves the ‘Jewish state’, flying a flag with the Star of David on it, & whose highest leader claims to speak for all of world Jewry?

As for ‘terrorists’, it should go without saying to any reasonable person, that the vast majority of Palestinians subjected to nearly 50 years & counting of Israel’s ‘belligerent occupation’ (the legal term), were not & are not terrorists. Many, perhaps most, of Israel’s victims are just ordinary babies, children, women, & the elderly.

Plus, there is something to the idea that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. It’s said there are 3 main categories of terrorism, — non-state terrorism, Al-Qaeda for example, — pre-state terrorism like that employed by the Irish & the Zionists to gain their states, — & state terrorism. Bill Moyers (among others) has stated that Israel is guilty of state-terrorism. The question “Who is a terrorist?”, like the question “Who is a Jew?”, can have more than one answer, depending upon your perspective.