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Kay24
November 23, 2014, 8:37 am

I don’t think they deserve any pity. They are as vicious as the men. I have seen many videos of these little viragoes, throwing stones, spitting at Palestinian women, taunting them, real ugly uncivilized behavior. It must be in their DNA. We can only imagine what they will teach their kids one day.

Kay24
November 23, 2014, 8:29 am

And the racist attacks by zionist continues. I think Israel should now treat these rats just like it treats so call Palestinian “terrorists”, destroy their homes, and revoke their citizenship, or is that only for Arabs only?

“Palestinians: Settlers torched West Bank home

Nobody was hurt in the incident, but racist graffiti was sprayed in the area and a building was heavily damaged.

Palestinians reported Sunday that settlers attacked a home in the West Bank village of Khirbat Abu Fallah, setting it on fire and spraying racist graffiti including ‘Death to the Arabs’ on the walls.” Haaretz

seafoid
November 23, 2014, 8:18 am

Jon

the 1947 UN GA vote was not going to get the 2/3rd majority required so the Zionists asked for a delay.

And set about armtwisting and threatening.

France was threatened with economic consequences. the Firestone corp took care of Liberia.
Robert Nathan, a prominent Zionist , said “we used all tools at hand”
Delegates of Latin American nations had mink coats sent to their wives.
Haiti was promised international aid.
The Philippines was threatened.

The vote was a joke. The UN had no power to dispossess the Palestinians.
Zionism has always been the same- Jewish money buys influence.

The Achilles heel of Zionism is very little general public support for Jewish nihilism.

And that is what is going to kill Israel.

“and who knows? ”

History repeats itself. Zionism can’t succeed where the Crusaders failed.

link to youtube.com

History repeats itself
you didn’t learn, you wouldn’t listen
you couldn’t see the books were on the shelf
For your concern, you never missed ‘em

jon s
November 23, 2014, 7:19 am

Norman is correct on the demography .Since the late 19th century there’s been a Jewish majority in Jerusalem.
link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Walid
November 23, 2014, 6:52 am

“You’ve heard the phrase “money talks, BS walks?”

Horizontal, it’s actually “money talks, nobody walks”. Those that are familiar with Charlie Greer’s all night show would know where that phrase came from.

Boomer
November 23, 2014, 5:59 am

Horizontal: I appreciate the truth of your descriptions of how both Native Americans and Palestinians have been treated. My feelings regarding the treatment of both are not so different. Anxiety doesn’t seem to be one of them for me. I guess feelings, emotions, are not something one can argue about or with: they are not a matter of logic necessarily. We obviously are on the same side even if we differ on details. I do understand how Jewish Israelis, and pro-Israel Zionist Americans might feel anxiety.

I haven’t read Tom Friedman’s columns and books for years, not since the time when I was ignorant and regarded him as a source of knowledge. But I did read his first book, ” From Beirut to Jerusalem,” when it came out. Perhaps he did better work then, or perhaps it merely seemed better to me because I didn’t know enough to recognize its shortcomings. I don’t remember a lot of details from it now. But I recall a paragraph in which Friedman candidly discusses the attitude of a Jewish Israeli. He fears the Palestinians, because he knows what the Jews have done to them, he knows the rage he would feel if he were in their place, he knows what he would do.

just
November 23, 2014, 5:46 am

“JERUSALEM (AFP) — Human Rights Watch called on Israel Saturday to stop razing the homes of Palestinians accused of attacking Israelis, saying the practice can constitute a war crime.

“Israel should impose an immediate moratorium on its policy of demolishing the family homes of Palestinians suspected of carrying out attacks on Israelis,” the New York-based group said, as the fate of three houses slated for demolition awaits a court ruling.

“The policy, which Israeli officials claim is a deterrent, deliberately and unlawfully punishes people not accused of any wrongdoing. When carried out in occupied territory, including East Jerusalem, it amounts to collective punishment, a war crime.””

link to maannews.net

*crickets*

jon s
November 23, 2014, 5:02 am

In reply:
First of all, I was referring to both the Palestinians and the Arab states . Hence: “the Arab side”.

As to the rest, we need to separate facts from speculations.

It’s an historical fact that the Jewish-Zionist side overwhelmingly supported the UNSCOP partition plan and actively lobbied for it at the UN. (It’s true that Begin, who was in a minority, in opposition to the mainstream leadership- was opposed). When the vote turned out favorably, the Jews literally danced for joy in the streets of Tel Aviv.
On the other side, the Palestinian leadership (with the exception of the Communists) and all the Arab states were absolutely dead-set against partition, actively lobbied against the plan, and voted “no” in the GA.
After the UNGA vote the Arab side still refused to accept the plan and set out to prevent its implementation, by force of arms. Palestinian forces mounted attacks on Jewish neighborhoods , towns and villages and the “Arab Liberation Army” invaded and began operating in the north.

Those are facts. Now, we can speculate about Ben Gurion’s “real intentions” , or what would have happened if the Arabs had adopted a more moderate position- even as a tactic- and the two sides would have sat down to discuss implementation of the plan, and so forth. But that would be playing “what if?” with History. Who knows?

Ellen
November 23, 2014, 4:29 am

Yes it is worthy and very touching.

She concludes this piece with the story of how she was invited to speak at Harvard in 1976, and before she had a chance to even express the themes of her talk, the Zionists “Pro Israeli” groups shouted her down and called in the police to end the event. This was, of course, painful. And she, too, was invited as a Jewish speaker.

Then a young lady who was there did a sketch of her and gave it to her as a gift and dedicated it to her with the words, “blessed are the peacemakers.”

seafoid
November 23, 2014, 2:38 am

I like your Millwall analogy Maxi but I don’t think Israel’s position among the elite is as secure as it looks. People like Osborne will mouth the platitudes but the ground is shifting and if it is politically attractive to change tack they’ll do it.
Bourdieu says that ‘the dominant retain their position by constantly changing their stance’.
Israel’s nightmare is being shafted by a big country like the UK.

link to irishtimes.com

“For the past 10 years, the BBC World Service has conducted a global poll asking respondents if they think specific countries exercise a mainly positive or mainly negative influence in the world. The 2014 poll, which was conducted before the Gaza conflict, showed that views of Israel had become more positive in some countries, such as Russia and Turkey, but remained unchanged in western Europe and the US.
In the UK, 72 per cent had a negative view of Israel and in France 64 per cent were negative. In Germany, one of Israel’s staunchest supporters in the EU, 67 per cent thought Israel had a mainly negative influence, compared with just 11 per cent who thought it was mainly positive. In the US, by contrast, more than half of respondents had a positive view of Israel.”

Even the Daily Mail ran anti Israel pieces in the summer amongst the soft porn.
link to dailymail.co.uk

I was on holiday in France and the local papers all ran standard agency stuff but where you had opinion pieces targeted at ABC1s there was a lot of criticism of Israel. At a time of economic stress in Europe local elites are not going to waste energy encouraging people to support a country that is nuts.

I think Israel is losing elite support in Europe and Protective Edge sped up the process. 10 years ago Israel could still fob off activists by flashing the Holocaust card but that doesn’t work so well any more

seafoid
November 23, 2014, 2:09 am

Mayhem

That may be momentarily satisfying but if the eternal Jewish capital morphs into 2 zones with no connection to each other you won’t have your united city any more. So what do you want ?

seafoid
November 23, 2014, 2:03 am

Martyr is the Arabic translation of the Hebrew world vermin.

Walid
November 23, 2014, 2:03 am

“The current design sure whacked off a heckalotta excellent contributors – to mw’s detriment, I fear.”

Hi Taxi and Annie, although I don’t consider myself in the “excellent” category, the new format whacked me off too for a while. I came back but not with the same assiduity; I felt that I was interacting with a magazine rather than with people. But perhaps this is Phil’s vocation for MW to turn it mostly into a magazine format with commenters occupying a secondary role rather than the contrary as in the former format. Now I see some articles written by faceless, meaningless and impersonal “Mondoweiss Editors” and navigationally, it’s torture chasing posts from “100 Recent Comments” to respond to them. But then again, we’re guests here and it’s Phil’s site and he’s free to do with it whatever he likes.

Walid
November 23, 2014, 1:20 am

George Lopez was baptized in waters polluted by raw sewage and saline waters from fish farms and industrial wastes from both Jordan and Israel. He’s not alone though, 100,000 Christians go through the same ritual every year. Nothing holy about these waters anymore.

Annie Robbins
November 23, 2014, 1:05 am

not sure they “removed” it per se. i think when they went w/the new design everything had to be added, from scratch, and for some reason that wasn’t. not sure what or why of that.

dbroncos
November 23, 2014, 1:04 am

Dee Brown was a librarian at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign for many years. If she were still alive I’m sure she would be nodding in agreement with Salaita’s commentary about colonialism and would also have been appalled by UI’s standards of “civility.”

RoHa
November 23, 2014, 1:03 am

Arabs in North Africa are still being killed by German and British mines left over from WW2.

Qualtrough
November 23, 2014, 12:55 am

Zionists calling for civility is their way of saying STFU!

Annie Robbins
November 23, 2014, 12:51 am

nah, it’s all there in black&white. hollywood makes minortiies do weird things for success.

Jackdaw
November 23, 2014, 12:46 am

@bilal

You’ve given this way too much thought.

666
November 23, 2014, 12:26 am

Is anyone else having problems entering text in the text box using Android o’s

mine has gone stràaaaaaange

suck.very suck

Taxi
November 23, 2014, 12:09 am

Hi annie, you little braveling! I’ve written to Phil about the edit function a couple of times but got no response. I mean why would a ten-minute edit function bother them so much that they’d remove it? I’d love to know the reason. The current design sure whacked off a heckalotta excellent contributors – to mw’s detriment, I fear.

Annie Robbins
November 22, 2014, 11:51 pm

how is suffering the horrors of war ever “merely”? death is final. tragic needless suffering is not ‘mere’.

Annie Robbins
November 22, 2014, 11:47 pm

we miss you taxi! i really miss you. and i miss hostage too.. and others missing in action…

and let this be a reminder to everyone. please write phil and adam instead of(or along with) making your voice heard about the edit function missing from the comments.

Taxi
November 22, 2014, 10:48 pm

Hey Just! Hey bintbiba! Hey everybody! (No not you mister and missus zionist!!)

I’ve been waiting for Adam and Phil to reinstall the ‘edit’ function and put away the duct tape.

Till that happens, I’m around only in snippets and once every blue moon. Me still fighting the cause in other places here and there, but me never forgetting my cute buddies-in-arms here on MW. Big fat yankee howdee to y’all!

Mayhem
November 22, 2014, 10:15 pm

Palestinian taxi driver avoids driving into religious Jewish areas

Over the past month, five Israelis and a foreign visitor have been deliberately run over and killed or stabbed to death by Palestinians. Thankfully now there might be less chance of some renegade Palestinian driving his vehicle maliciously into innocent passers-by in the street.

peter hindrup
November 22, 2014, 10:10 pm

Holocaust: The fire bombing of Dresden and Tokyo, the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki; all fit exactly the meaning of holocaust.

The Jews merely suffered the horrors of war, along with most of the rest of the world.

bilal a
November 22, 2014, 10:09 pm

He’s not funny, he’s a racist, according to the white nationalists.. His ‘lily white whore’ meme is congruent with the shiksa etymology, shaming gentile , especially blonde, women a constant Hollywood meme.

Saint George and The “White Whore”
‘https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5DqTJz9zFk

Polar
November 22, 2014, 10:08 pm

No, it’s by reading the article:

“Israel will likely use the corpses of Palestinian martyrs as a bargaining chip at some later date. How morbid and cynical ”

What is the use of the word martyrs about? Are they “martyrs”?

just
November 22, 2014, 10:02 pm

umm, i don’t think it was you CG……

Horizontal
November 22, 2014, 8:28 pm

Phil. If you really want your anti-Zionism crusade to gain traction, you need to direct your message a the ever growing population of American-Latinos.

Oh, you mean like this?

How the Israel lobby is courting US Latinos

link to electronicintifada.net

Your concern for the future of Mondoweiss is overwhelming.

Horizontal
November 22, 2014, 8:24 pm

Isn’t Christian Zionist Hack a bit redundant?

just
November 22, 2014, 8:23 pm

thanks for that article, Citizen. at least some veterans can read about it.
it’s way past time for the UN to send in the blue helmets, imho.

Horizontal
November 22, 2014, 8:16 pm

“Blitzer crying wolf.”

Good one! You ought to be writing toothpaste jingles.

Daniel Rich
November 22, 2014, 8:16 pm

The US, Canadian and Ukrainian battle for Nazism can’t end well for any of us either….

The row of countries that abstained is full self-explanatory.

Sick. Very sick.

Horizontal
November 22, 2014, 8:14 pm

I think this one phrase sums up all that needs to be said about this matter:

In the United States, at one time, Katie Couric was considered a journalist.

Horizontal
November 22, 2014, 8:10 pm

That’s what I was afraid of. Sounds like in the states. Rumblings of awareness on the street, but smooth sailing on the BS seas for the powerful elites.

Things are indeed changing, but . . .

bintbiba
November 22, 2014, 8:05 pm

It seems to me that the civlising power of music over religion in our times is a hopeful element. Music was part of religious liturgies centuries ago , and developed deep within societies…and nowadays you find that music is considered in some religious fanatic sects to be sacriledgeous especially as sung by a woman’s voice.
I am not at all religious …but sacred music can bring the tears flowing.
Thanks Walid, seafoid for the beauty you brought us today.

Horizontal
November 22, 2014, 8:05 pm

That was kind of my point earlier — what does all this actually mean in concrete terms?

Horizontal
November 22, 2014, 8:03 pm

[Israeli:] The Land of Israel was given to the Jews, it’s in the Bible.

I wish I’d written a book where God justifies everything that Horizontal wants to do. That would be neat.

Kay24
November 22, 2014, 8:03 pm

Whether it is George Lopez, Arnie “the groper” Schwartzenegger, Roseanne Barr, Bill Maher, Sodastream Johansson, Jay Leno, Stallone, Seth Rogan, Kelsey Gramar, Sarah Silverman, and others, they KNOW which side to show loyalty and devotion to, or else they will not get those lucrative contracts, from ziowood.

Horizontal
November 22, 2014, 8:01 pm

Maybe it’s a clip-on.

Horizontal
November 22, 2014, 7:59 pm

American ~

That’s a nice scenario, yet we had the banksters’ greed causing the worst economic crisis since the great depression, with people losing their jobs, their homes, their retirement, and what happened? Was there a bloody insurrection? Were people mobbing congress demanding answers? We had a brief fling with the Occupy movement at least pointing a finger at the right people for once, but then that just fizzled.

And Obama hired the same schmucks for his administration that were in Bush’s after promising change, so pardon me if I come into this whole thing a bit jaded by the past. If John Q. Public is made to shore up Israel’s failed loans, well then that’s just what John Q. Public is going to do.

If we’re looking for a last straw, we may have to look elsewhere.

BTW, I didn’t realize the amount of debt that we guarantee Israel. I appreciate your information. This just gives me one more reason of dislike anything about that country, but I was already well down that road anyway.

Kay24
November 22, 2014, 7:55 pm

Horizontal, sadly we do not have journalists of the same caliber as John Snow. In the US the journalist are willing to compromise their integrity and honesty, by willing to slant the news, or omit it, just so their zionist bosses will be happy. They are servants helping to keep the “Israel is the victim” narrative going. It is so obvious that they fail to discuss or mention the occupation, or criticize the illegal settlements, which they know are a deterrent to peace talks. Have we ever seen the Israeli situation discussed at length by a panel of American journalists, scholars, or officials from the State Department? I admire some of the British journalists because they are true journalists. I wince when I hear Blitzer constantly crying wolf.

just
November 22, 2014, 7:55 pm

well, i mushed that up~ excuse my missing forward slash.

just
November 22, 2014, 7:52 pm

from the article you linked to, they’re scary and prone to violence. but then again, with Daniella Weiss, Meir Kahane, the settler rabbis and their parents as their role models i guess it’s no surprise. they hate their government, they hate the Palestinians, they seem to hate an awful lot. how awful to grow up with so much hate and disregard for other people~ the present and future must be bleak without the myths that they have been taught.

here in the west, there is so much condemnationmisunderstanding of other ME cultures and the role of women, but hello– leaving school because they’re married and pregnant and that’s a blessing??? having 10 children? living on a hilltop with no supervision? where are the “family values”?

Bornajoo
November 22, 2014, 7:41 pm

+ another 1
Thanks for the article Seafoid
Scary stuff

Mooser
November 22, 2014, 7:18 pm

“Mayhem”, I’m glad you got “ethnic cleansing” in your comment, since “eljay” omitted it. Maybe he just forgot for a minute, but I’m sure you never do.

Bornajoo
November 22, 2014, 7:16 pm

@Polar

“You all relate to these 2 corpses as heroes. What is the world coming to?”

Is that really your understanding and impression from reading through the comments? Actually the discussion is about collective punishment. Can you please point out the bits where everyone relates to the 2 corpses as heroes?

just
November 22, 2014, 7:11 pm

i look forward to hearing about the positive resolution to this issue. i really appreciate your response here, and want to apologize for any rudeness on my part.

it’s so important to allow all voices to be heard on campuses across these United States, and there have been many disturbing incidents of suppression of free speech and more… but, it seems that you are aware of this.

thank you again.

seafoid
November 22, 2014, 6:59 pm

I feel sorry for settler girls. Born ignorant, never educated properly, prolly lusted after by inadequate settler men, will be left with nothing when YESHA falls

RoHa
November 22, 2014, 6:58 pm

Well said, Annie.

(Except for the lack of capitals, of course.)

seafoid
November 22, 2014, 6:57 pm

Mooser

the Trader would be the best BB song for the settlers

link to youtube.com

Trader found the jeweled land
Was occupied before he came
By humans of a second look
Who couldn’t even write their names in Hebrew
Trader said they’re not as good
As folks who wear kippot
Wrote home again and asked, “Please help
Their breasts I see; they’re not like me
Banish them from our prairies and our hillsides
Clear them from our mountains and our seaside
I want them off our lakes so please reply
Signed sincerely.”

Trader he got the crown okay
Cleared humanity from his way
He civilized all he saw
Making changes every single day say
Checkpoints sprang over the prairies and the hillsides
Then roads cut through the mountains to the seaside
The other kind fled to hide, by and by,
And so sincerely
Cried.

Mooser
November 22, 2014, 6:54 pm

“Arabs always complain….”

Whereas Jews, as everyone knows, are astoundingly taciturn, and unwilling to make judgements about others.
I’ve heard we got this way from being discriminated against and oppressed. It’s because we know what it’s like to be judged. Is that what you are trying to say NormanF?

just
November 22, 2014, 6:52 pm

thanks for the reply, Annie. the video is stunning.

Mooser
November 22, 2014, 6:50 pm

“I don`t particularly appreciate labels but if you insist then guilty as charged”

Yeah, I’m just aghast at the depth of your moral courage.

Mooser
November 22, 2014, 6:39 pm

Well, I’ll just put my lyrics to “Settler Girl” back in the drawer. The Beach Boys deserve better than that.

Annie Robbins
November 22, 2014, 6:34 pm

thnx david

just
November 22, 2014, 6:32 pm

a loss for UIUC. thanks for sharing that, jd65.

Annie Robbins
November 22, 2014, 6:30 pm

please tell us snarking cigargod!

Annie Robbins
November 22, 2014, 6:26 pm

that’s so sweet mnbeshara, thank you. and much appreciated and please come back and comment more sometime.

John Jay College
November 22, 2014, 6:20 pm

FYI – November 3 letter from President Travis to The Center for Constitutional Rights sent to the two signatories on the October 23 letter:

Dear Ms. Sainath and Ms. LaHood:

Thank you for your letter dated October 23rd, expressing your concerns pertaining to recent events at John Jay College.

As you know, as both a public institution and a college dedicated to the principle and practice of justice, the leadership at John Jay takes very seriously our commitment to the free and unhindered discussion of all topics affecting our community and the world at large. This commitment was demonstrated in our approach to the Die-in that was scheduled for and took place on October 8th. I have investigated your statements regarding the “scrutiny and censorship” that allegedly affected this demonstration and have concluded that they are not supported by the facts leading to and occurring on that day. To the contrary, staff at John Jay facilitated the demonstration through their engagement with the students who were planning the demonstration as well as with those who attended it.

It is regrettable that you regard my October 21st letter to the College community as mislabeling speech and inhibiting its free exercise. Under the circumstances, I felt it was appropriate to express values that are critical to both the exercise of speech and political activism. Prior to October 21st, I had been informed that students were feeling unsafe. My letter was designed to address the concerns of those students as well as to remind our community that free and open discussion is expected and encouraged.

As you know, I am meeting with each of the three groups that have been most affected by these events: the United Nations Student Association, the Hillel Club and Students for Justice in Palestine. It is my policy and my practice to speak with those most affected by events that create controversy. I generally find that the students themselves have the best and most conciliatory ideas for moving the community forward in a manner that promotes our mission.

Finally, let me assure you that values associated with the free exercise of speech will continue to be honored at John Jay.

Sincerely,

Jeremy Travis
President

just
November 22, 2014, 6:19 pm

yonah– if you need 168 hours, why don’t you step away from the keyboard, or go somewhere else where there are other folks who are in deep mourning or seeking revenge wrt the ‘deed of har nof’?

Annie Robbins
November 22, 2014, 6:17 pm

joe, just scroll on and click the middle of the video. it works for me.

Mooser
November 22, 2014, 6:14 pm

“I think he must have eaten some lobster that repeated”

Or swallowed a bad oyster.

just
November 22, 2014, 6:12 pm

that’s true.

just
November 22, 2014, 6:08 pm

nope.

ah well.

seafoid
November 22, 2014, 6:06 pm

The thing reading something from 1975 is that looking at it now, the Israelis thought time would be enough to kill Palestinian nationalism- instead it has slowly destroyed Israeli society . 95% support for mass murder of children in summer 2014.

link to pbs.twimg.com

Annie Robbins
November 22, 2014, 6:04 pm

can’t stop laughing

Mooser
November 22, 2014, 6:02 pm

Gee, Yonah, what if your behavior here is an indicator of the values from which you make your judgements concerning Zionism?
And, if I may be so bold, tells us a lot more about Zionism than particular thing you might say.

Annie Robbins
November 22, 2014, 5:57 pm

lol, no wonder you didn’t quote him originally. you crack me up. let me be the first to say i wished they’d all go missing too (lost somewhere one the other side of the green line would be a good start), but ah….contrary to your ultimate wisdom opinion, i really do not wish they’d all be stabbed to death or shot. for one thing, there’s are probably a lot of very innocent little children there. and secondly, i have an aversion to blood, death and murder.

just
November 22, 2014, 5:56 pm

you bring much wisdom here, seafoid. thanks.

great song, btw. suits perfectly.

(it was just a few hours of good cop, wasn’t it? shame)

just
November 22, 2014, 5:47 pm

he was sane. he was right ~ at least in the bit you have quoted above.

Pippilin
November 22, 2014, 5:47 pm

I won’t put the word “holocaust” in capital letters because it tends to imply that there has only been one such occurrence in history: the extermination of Jews, gypsies, and the physically/mentally deficient by Nazi Germany in the twentieth century. Holocausts ( I actually prefer the word “genocide”) have occurred throughout human history– consider Armenia, Cambodia, Rwanda, ad infinitum. Smaller actions than the Nazi holocaust, but holocausts nevertheless. Victims of those killings deserve as much respect and remembrance as the murdered Jews of Europe during WWII.

lysias
November 22, 2014, 5:46 pm

I’ve just read a book on the Armenian genocide, The Great Game of Genocide, in which a contemporary source is quoted as calling a “holocaust” the burning of the Armenian part of a city. So the word was used for genocidal acts before the Nazi Party even existed.

eGuard
November 22, 2014, 5:45 pm

I think the title is wrong. The JC clearly quotes: vast majority of the British public, and the elite centre ground of British public opinion.

Don’t expect the British elite being shocked by a colonial killing spree, they’ve seen one or two more. That’s how they became the elite after all. Nor will they change their attitude. From Balfour to Cameron: they are counting on Zionism.

Giles
November 22, 2014, 5:44 pm

I wondered how this unfunny hack got so far ahead in show business

just
November 22, 2014, 5:43 pm

that is one heckuva article, seafoid.

made my blood run cold. thank you. ;(((((((

lysias
November 22, 2014, 5:36 pm

Unfair to Homer. Homer’s world is not black and white. He presents the Trojans quite sympathetically.

seafoid
November 22, 2014, 5:30 pm

I.F. Stone writing in a 1975 issue of the Progressive

link to progressive.org

Editor’s note: This contribution by the late journalist I.F. Stone first appeared in our January 1975 magazine. In a week that saw escalated violence between Israelis and Palestinians, our editorial intern, River Heisler, found this essay and thought it appropriate to share.

I have not spoken in a synagogue for a long time. I was welcome in synagogues when I spoke about Jewish refugees, but the plight of Arab refugees is not a popular subject in synagogues.

From the beginning of Zionism we have hated to admit that the Arabs were there. We knew they were there, but we pretended that they weren’t. Or we talked about helping them. We didn’t talk about dislodging them- very few of us thought the day would come when we would dislodge a kindred people. Nothing seems to me more dreadful than that, in the effort to resettle our own people, we have been drawn into the terrible moral fate of treating another people with injustice.

We cannot ignore the problems of the Arab refugees, and of Palestinian national aspirations, nor blind ourselves to their realities. We cannot say that the Jews have a right to yearn for Palestine after 1,900 years and deny the Arabs the right to yearn for their homes after nineteen years. These were their homes; they are not all Bedouins. But anyone who wants to regard them as Bedouins must remember that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were Bedouins. Any Jew with historical imagination who sees the tents of the Bedouins can’t help but see the tents of our forefathers.

In any case, we are not dealing with Bedouins. The Arab world is in many stages of development. We are dealing with a contemporary people- many radical young people, many good older people.

Imagine that you are an Arab. Imagine that you were a dentist or a doctor in Jerusalem or Haifa, or that you had a villa along the little Arab Riviera in Jaffa- there were some lovely Arab villas there. Or imagine that you were a farmer, or that you had a business, or that you went to school. Then, suddenly, everything was swept away. You lost your home, your business, your school, your country. You would feel bitter- there is nothing mysterious about that- and you would feel desperate.

Terrorism is a reflection of that desperation. I do not favor terrorism, and I do not excuse it, but let’s be honest: If the situation were reversed, Jewish boys would be doing what Arab boys are doing. Jewish terrorists did it in 1946 and 1948. They killed women and children in Jerusalem, they blew up the King David Hotel, they destroyed Arab villages.

The way to end the terror, the way to heal the breach, is first of all to recognize (as Chaim Weizmann, the first president of Israel, recognized from the beginning of Zionism) that this is a struggle of right against right, that there is an Arab side and a Jewish side, that we must find a way to live together. We must begin to see the problem through their eyes, and thus have the right to ask them to see it through ours.

I want to see Israel live.

If we do not pursue the path of reconciliation, the Jewish people will be transformed in the span of a generation; we cannot harden our hearts against our Arab brothers and remain the kind of people we have been proud of being for 2,000 years. We will begin to turn our backs on everything we have been proud of, everything that the Bible and the Prophets stand for. It would not be the first time. Now every time God has given the Holy Land back to us, we have gone after strange gods. Now we are in danger of bowing down to the idols of militarism and force and realpolitik.

Isaiah says, “Israel shall be redeemed by justice,” and for me, this time around, that means justice for the Arabs as well as for the Jews”

seafoid
November 22, 2014, 5:26 pm

Cheers Yonah !

I think we are witnessing a very important moment in the conflict.
I remember being in a sherut in Ben Gurion airport during the last intifada wondering for how long Israel would keep the occupation going .
I decided to buy a photo book about Israel because I had a feeling it wouldn’t last. I wanted a big one with loads of pictures. I ended up buying Magnum: Israel at 50 years.

Citizen
November 22, 2014, 5:20 pm

I researched the problem, but came up with no solutions. Those media Facebook sites have their own agenda and your comments there don’t fit it. I don’t know what mechanism they use to block your comments, but I imagine it involves tracing via your e-mail account inter alia.

yonah fredman
November 22, 2014, 5:16 pm

seafoid – you are clearly addicted to the soapbox.

seafoid
November 22, 2014, 5:15 pm

This is the definitive piece on settler girls and the insane mental world they live in

link to tabletmag.com

seafoid
November 22, 2014, 5:13 pm

Rivlin was just playing a few hours of good cop.
Israel’s problems are deeply structural and can’t be dealt with by any well chosen words.
The country has been going in the wrong direction since at least June 1967.

link to haaretz.com

“Almost every Israeli in the last 47 years has done military service in the territories. Almost all of them have had to do things that go against human decency and morality – often not for the sake of Israel’s security at large, but to protect some isolated outpost of settlers. If indeed Israel were to reach peace with the Palestinians and the Arab world, most Israelis would have to live with the painful realization that most of what Israel has done to the Palestinians was unnecessary; that Israel could have ended the occupation a long time ago; and that the energies and resources invested in the West Bank’s colonization could have been invested in Israel’s flourishing instead.
This idea is too difficult to bear, and the regret would be unendurable. It is, therefore, psychologically imperative to create a narrative that explains why the occupation was inevitable; why Israel had no choice but to hang onto the West Bank; why all the sacrifice in human lives, moral turpitude and political isolation were necessary for Israel’s survival. ”

And maybe now the process is starting by which they will have to face that fact- that it was all for nothing

link to youtube.com

Inside you’re pretending
Crimes have been swept aside
Somewhere where they can forget

Divine upper reaches
Still holding on
This ocean will not be grasped
All for nothing

Did you really want
Did you really want
Did you really want
Did you really want

Refuse to surrender
Strung out until ripped apart
Who dares, dares to condemn
All for nothing

Did you really want
Did you really want
Did you really want
Did you really want

just
November 22, 2014, 5:12 pm

he IS the architect (along with Barkat, Bennett, Lieberman, Feiglin, etc ad nauseam) has his other right wingers, his IOF, IAF, the border police, the police, an armed citizenry, an armed setter militia, wmds, nukes…

and US support.

it is INSANE. i feel so awful and guilty and yes, helpless. i have to say that i have visited that post from the other day with great links to beautiful music very many times…it helps to calm my rage and help me remember just why we will prevail in the cause for justice and freedom.

seafoid
November 22, 2014, 5:05 pm

He definitely has some sort of personality disorder.

They are losing control of things in Jerusalem. And the tourism numbers will be hit. Plus the economy is slowing down.
I hope it tanks. Israel needs a serious shock to wake the fuck up.

jd65
November 22, 2014, 5:00 pm

I’ll be as civil as possible here. In the tweet yonah quotes, Salaita did not mean “i wish all the settlers were stabbed or shot to death,” as yonah suggests he did. Salaita meant nothing of the sort, and yonah knows it. Classic Hasbara spinning and trolling. Nothing but sad…

Kate
November 22, 2014, 4:53 pm

It does look like the whole place is going to hell in a handbasket. And who is the architect of this godawful mess? Netanyahu, apparently. One person who can’t be worrying about his ‘legacy’, unless he’s insane.

just
November 22, 2014, 4:49 pm

“There have been at least four terrorist attacks in Jerusalem in last couple of weeks ”

hop– there have been many more than that————-mostly by the GoI goons and their settler militia.

just
November 22, 2014, 4:37 pm

a most worthy effort and message, Kathleen.

I have no idea how to help you “get over this hump”. i am sorry!

seafoid
November 22, 2014, 4:29 pm

From the same article

“a new danger is looming: that the situation in Jerusalem will gradually evolve into a Belfast-like reality, with Palestinian terrorist attacks being answered by Jewish acts of revenge. The murder this summer of the Palestinian teen Mohammed Abu Khdeir, following discovery of the bodies of the three Israeli teens murdered in the Etzion Bloc, might turn out to have been the onset of a new and growing epidemic.

For a few years, it was possible to believe that a convenient interim situation had been achieved, and large numbers of tourists, from Israel and abroad, returned to the Old City. But all that fell apart last summer. ”

Also Yonah – 4 dead on your sad is obviously sad- how do you think Palestinians feel when your side kills hundreds ? Do you think that’s sustainable long term ?

seafoid
November 22, 2014, 4:25 pm

Amos Harel

link to haaretz.com

“For years, Israeli prime ministers have sworn by a commitment to Jerusalem’s eternal unification. But the erection of police roadblocks at the exits from Arab neighborhoods, and the plans for concrete barricades along the old “seam line” between the eastern and western parts of the city, along with the wave of dismissals of Arab workers in Jewish neighborhoods this week – all this serves the opposite goal. Those steps only contribute to the city’s division in practice, and underscore the mutual fears of the two populations. The barricades corroborate the Palestinian argument that the city was never unified, under Israeli rule, and never will be. “

just
November 22, 2014, 4:16 pm

Tony Blair and Nelson Mandela are polar opposites.

;-)

yonah fredman
November 22, 2014, 4:15 pm

seafoid- the nature of the conflict between 2 hostile populations where one occupies and colonizes the other creates a predictable dynamic. fine.

but you’re like a broken record repeating the same thing over and over again, and i really don’t want to hear it right now. i realize that the right wing assholes like caroline glick are not waiting 168 hours, so why should a dude like you wait 168 hours. all i’m saying is that at this point in time, i find you utterly obnoxious and stuck in your own frame of mind. i cannot really engage with you intellectually at this time. why is that so hard to understand? or are you just in a habit of getting up on your soapbox that you can’t stop even for thirty seconds?

Citizen
November 22, 2014, 4:14 pm

Israel reminds me of that guy walking down the street in the Cadillac commercial. He’s a nerdy looking guy, poorly attired though he thinks he’s dressed smartly and a’ll the pretty girls he passes by are looking at him–he even does a twirl or too, proud as the proverbial peacock, when its painfully obvious to the audience their eyes get caught by the classy red Cadillac cruising along behind him. They don’t even see him, not only because he’s a nothing, but because they are mesmerized by that Cadillac.