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  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • In addition to the 230 children whom are currently detained in Israel, there have been 1,500 children killed by Israel since 2000. Imagine if you lived in the United States or the UK and 1,500 American or English children were violently killed in 14 years. What kind of outrage would result? Most of these victims are documented thoroughly on this website: http://www.rememberthesechildren.org

      It should also be noted what it means to be "detained" by the Israelis. Children, much like the child in this video, are often dragged out of their homes kicking and screaming, many times in the middle of the night for maximum psychological trauma, and are presented before a military court. Civilian children in a military court. This is a completely different system than the one used against Israeli Jewish children. The evidence presented to the judges by the Israeli authorities are mostly deemed to high of a security risk and thus are never presented to child defendants or their lawyers, and detentions (imprisonment) can be indefinitely renewed in 6 month increments at the whim of the Israeli authorities before and during trials which usually last about 15 minutes max.

      Not to mention the fact that 55% of the Palestinian population are children and that a majority of them have been arrested, detained and "interrogated" (tortured) at least once. Post traumatic stress disorder, social anxiety disorder or social avoidance behavior and a wide range of other psychological disorders are widespread among Palestinian children.

    • @ Mayhem "Today’s pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist. "

      Got any statistics to back your biased speculation

      BTW our link to thetower.org is cute.. It says "Palestinians Committing War Crime By Pushing Stone-Hurling Children At Israelis" then shows a video where no one is pushing any children to throw rocks. When we follow the link they provide link to jpost.com we read " The IDF on Saturday posted a 45 second video that showed Palestinian children and young teens throwing stones at the Israeli military in Hebron "

      No enlistment, no pushing and Israeli military in occupied territory, a valid military target even if the kids had bazookas instead of what's left of their non-Jewish homes = another fail on your part and no points for your stupid Israeli propaganda

  • John Kerry and the Pope set to face off with Jewish Knight Templars on the Temple Mount (10)
    • @puppies... well, I am no historian, but yes, Romanisation (the s instead of the American English Z).

      The windy island filled with warring Celtic tribes was invaded by the Romans and gradually became a unified Britannia, under Roman control. With Roman streets, towns, civic institutions and many thousands of Roman soldiers (actually inscriptions from all over) who settled the island.

      Rome kept control by bribing the tribal elites -- giving them wealth, status and protection. This worked for a long time. And the model is still working for USrael as well.

      Aside from the brutal Boudiccan revolution, which almost broke Rome's hold, the occupation and gradual conquest was complete -- up to Hadrian's wall, that is. (Even the Romans built their walls to keep the pests out.)

      But then it all fell apart when Britannia appealed to Rome for protection from the invading Saxons, Emperor Honorius told the citizens of Britanna to look after their own defenses, deal with it themselves. And with that the bell of death rang for the Roman Empire.

      So the citizens of Britannia , like Israelis of today who feel to be citizens of the west (USA) -- even with passports that look just like US passports on first glance -- felt to be Romans.

      And today Israelis depend upon the US (like Britannia of yore dependence on Rome) for it's identity and defenses. After all, it was a Roman island of civility in a sea of tribal barbarity, complete with a surrounding wall. Not too different from today's Israel.

      And Rome held onto far away Britannia with a fierce and irrational tenacity. (Sound familiar?) Until sentiments and priorities changed and Rome told Britannia to take care of themselves. Rome was dying. And Britannia gradually became independent and prosperous Britain.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • Today’s pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist. Why do the parents allow/encourage these kind of belligerent activities by their children?

      If we're going to speculate, maybe he will grow-up and track down Jewish war criminals and write FAQs like this one:

      30. Did the Jews try to fight against the Nazis? To what extent were such efforts successful?
      Answer: Despite the difficult conditions to which Jews were subjected in Nazi-occupied Europe, many engaged in armed resistance against the Nazis. This resistance can be divided into three basic types of armed activities: ghetto revolts, resistance in concentration and death camps, and partisan warfare.

      The Warsaw Ghetto revolt, which lasted for about five weeks beginning on April 19, 1943, is probably the best-known example of armed Jewish resistance, but there were many ghetto revolts in which Jews fought against the Nazis.

      Despite the terrible conditions in the death, concentration, and labor camps, Jewish inmates fought against the Nazis at the following sites: Treblinka (August 2, 1943); Babi Yar (September 29, 1943); Sobibór (October 14, 1943); Janówska (November 19, 1943); and Auschwitz (October 7, 1944).

      Jewish partisan units were active in many areas, including Baranovichi, Minsk, Naliboki forest, and Vilna. While the sum total of armed resistance efforts by Jews was not militarily overwhelming and did not play a significant role in the defeat of Nazi Germany, these acts of resistance did lead to the rescue of an undetermined number of Jews, Nazi casualties, and untold damage to German property and self-esteem.
      link to motlc.wiesenthal.com

    • @ Mayhem "Today’s pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist."

      "will" . You can predict the future.... What AMAZING powers!!! Jews went beyond 'potential' terrorism BTW link to nationalarchives.gov.uk

      Meanwhile, the occupied have a right to attack occupying forces with whatever they have at their disposal, even life threatening pebbles. Armed Israeli settlers and Israeli military are legitimate targets, it isn't terrorism, even if it is with pebbles link to theguardian.com

      "Why do the parents allow/encourage these kind of belligerent activities by their children?"

      You have any evidence the kid was encouraged? Do you have any evidence he actually threw anything at all at the occupying forces? Remember if you're allowed, accusations are not evidence.

      Meanwhile link to washingtonpost.com

      The occupation is belligerent, they have a right to resist occupation, even with scary pebbles

      "The enlistment of children to carry out these violent acts is in effect no different than enlisting child soldiers, which is a war crime in terms of Article 8(2)(b)(xxvi) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC)”.

      A) How was this kid enlisted? By your amazing powers maybe? B) Apply that equally to the stone throwing children of illegal Israeli settlers if you dare

      "And of course it makes great propaganda for the ISM who just love to demonize Israel at every conceivable opportunity."

      How is it propaganda? Fake Israeli soldiers? Israel successfully demonizes itself every day it continues to illegally acquire, stay in and illegally settle non-Israeli territory while LYING to itself, its citizens and the rest of the world, supported by morons for Israel who it seems can predict the future

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
    • The letter to the NYTimes was really off kilter and irrelevant to the issues that separate Israel and the Palestinians from the possibility of an agreement. The emphasis of Mondoweiss on this issue seems a bit off kilter (1/29th as off kilter as the published letter, but still off kilter). The testimony of Ted Auerbach is irrelevant. I'm sure (23/29ths sure) that he was not staying with Hamas Palestinians. That is the demographic of the Palestinian people that might harbor attitudes formed by the Hadith that I referred to yesterday. (BTW- I would negotiate with Hamas, despite the awful rhetoric that has existed in the past and that I assume (21/29ths) still exists in the present.) The overwhelming politics of Hamas these days is desperation due to the overthrow of Morsi by the military junta in Egypt and they have more important things to worry about rather than the expression of murderous rhetoric. But the Hadith exists and it is murderous in nature.

      And this whole line of questioning, although not up to the off kilterness of the original NYTimes letter, is still off kilter.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (10)
    • "As long as they don’t interfere with IDF patrols along the nearby border or cause environmental damage to Nahal Betzet reserve, it shouldn’t be a problem."

      Mikhael, how could 19 youths interfere with IDF patrols or damage the environment by planting trees?

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • Off topic breaking news: Despite the fact that Hamas and Islamic Jihad are joining the PLO (you know, the organization that has formally recognized the state of Israel for more than 20 years) Israel and the US have the chutzpah to put a negative spin on the Palestinian reconciliation agreement. Most of these are never destined to be implemented anyway.

      FYI, the Netanyahu regime itself has concluded two agreements with Hamas since 2007, but won't allow the PLO/Fatah to conclude one. It isn't as if Israel hasn't already proven that it wants settlements, instead of peace.
      link to haaretz.com
      link to ynetnews.com

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • Actually, the linguistic rights of Russian speakers are one of the main points of contention, and there are not many Ukrainian speakers in Donetsk. So it would be rather weird to have pro-Russian "separatists" to use Ukrainian.

      By the way, Ukrainian alphabet is a bit different, and the notable detail is letter i that Russians do not use (they removed it after October Revolution that got rid of Czar family, kulaks and letter i), while Ukrainians use i with joyful abandon.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • @Balfour

      Isn’t this the definition of a fifth column?

      A fifth column requires the action be against the primary state not just for another cause. So for example Americans who are huge supporters of classical music aren't a fifth column because the United States is not opposed to classical music. In much the same way Americans who are huge supporters of Israel aren't a fifth column because the United States is not opposed to Israel. Now were Israel a genuine threat to the United States were they enemies and of somewhat equal power, then those softs of actions would be a 5th column.

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • It reminds me a report of a parliamentary commission in United Kingdom that after 20 (or 100?) pages concluded that a fox hunt can be detrimental to the welfare of the fox.

      Lapid is relatively easy to understand. It puzzled me how people claim secular outlooks and then they prattle about 3500 years of history, or about the prophets being spotted on that or the other hill. The other day he quoted a paradox that he attributed to "16-th century philosopher Zeno", which was not the first time he showed himself to be an idiot.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
    • While the comment that Palestinians want to kill Jews in the context of what has happened to the Palestinians since 1948, starting with their ethnic cleansing, is obviously ludicrous, now speaking strictly from my own personal experiences, that comment begs an answer to the question I have….why am I still here, and why am I still living since I've always had Palestinian friends who I actually first met in Israel decades ago and then I was married for many years to a Palestinian who I actually met in Haifa. . I never had issues with any Palestinians regardless of religious backgrounds. I have always been accepted for the person I am, just the same way that I accept people which has nothing to do with race, ethnicity or religion. I never had fears to walk amongst the Palestinians, but it was almost impossible for me to walk amongst Jewish citizens of Israel without being cursed and spit at simply because of my associations with Palestinian Arabs.

      It was only in Israel that I actually had a glimpse of what it might have been like in the past for someone who may have befriended a German Jew during the Nazi rise to power. I felt as though I was actually living the reverse of what it might have been. That is where I learned about racism and hatred on the most personal level possible.

      I can only say that if for any reason I was forced to seek refuge somewhere in this world because of any hatreds, …then I will seek that refuge amongst the Palestinians who have always shown nothing but generosity, tolerance and kindness, in spite of the suffering they have had to endure and still endure to this very day.

      Would the NY Times like to write my story or publish any letters? They never have thus far because I am not projecting the image that they want the public to have.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • Amazing that these heavily armed men are so threatened by a 6 year old boy. This is beyond sickening. Zionism is a sickness and Israel is beyond help.

    • Today's pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist. Why do the parents allow/encourage these kind of belligerent activities by their children?

      "The enlistment of children to carry out these violent acts is in effect no different than enlisting child soldiers, which is a war crime in terms of Article 8(2)(b)(xxvi) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC)".

      And of course it makes great propaganda for the ISM who just love to demonize Israel at every conceivable opportunity.

      link to thetower.org

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (10)
    • "Iqrit was originally a Jewish-populated town, from the Mishnaic period"- Why limit yourself only to that period?:)In Iqrit Canaanite erected a statue representing the god Melqart of Tyre, and Kefar from the root: kfr is typical word for “village” since Canaanite times across the region- you can't limit their history to the Jewish one m8 ;]They weren't "the original" inhabitants...
      Example: W. Khalidi, All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948, or Meron Benvenisti in "Sacred Landscape".
      Besides its story is more complicated than you show us...read this:
      link to iqrith.com

      Please don't say that just because it is mentioned in the Bible or other scripture you suggest that it must have been "originaly" or "only" inhabited by Jews (or Hebrews or Israelites or ppl who believed in El/Il or Yaw/Yau/Yahweh or later in their combined "persona" of 1 God: El/Il, since he was the chief god there, Yahve was his son...). I will repeat myself: even the Bible states that not only Jews lived there, even Jewish archaeologist have proof of that. Practically every city or village mentioned in the Bible has Canaanite roots and were still inhabitated by them (or do you believe that "Jews" killed all Canaanites in the region or most of them?- theory refuted LONG time ago), some later converted some didn't. Besides even the process of the formation of Judaism (that as we can see borrowed elements of local beliefs, which took centuries) are proof of shared life of local Canaanites and Israelites (and later Jewish ppl)- read about UGARIT- basic archaelogical books, like: Mark S. Smith, who writes: “Israelite” religion—have their origin in the earlier polytheisms", and "However, there is little or no basis for these contrasts distinguishing monotheism from polytheism, nor is there a firm basis for the theological weight attached to biblical monotheism itself, a weight that the Bible itself hardly reflects.”- The Origins of Biblical Monotheism: Israel’s Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts. Read also: Manfried Dietric and Loretz.
      There are other arguments about this...In another post I gave some titles about this all.
      The same goes with other migrations. Modern ethnic divisions don't represent the formation of different groups, don't equate religion/language etc to only 1 group- it is a false premise, promoted by modern nationalisms everywere.
      What is your point in writing all this? Do you want to justify what happned to them or why did it happened? In this context of the article and the limitation to only Jewish narration makes it the only explanation.
      Read in Haaretz: Sharon asks court to reject appeal of Ikrit, Biram residents.
      Baruch Kimmerling wrote about Iqrit too.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • "Isn’t this the definition of a fifth column?"

      If they were supporting Israeli takeover of the US, then, yes, "fifth column" would be a fair description.

  • Israeli settlers release wild boars on Palestinian farmland to destroy crops (19)
    • "The claim is that the Palestinian nation didn’t exist, that there was no Palestinian national identity until about 1920."

      I have never understood why this claim is deemed to be important. Even if it is true, I cannot see how it in any way detracts from or modifies the rights of the Palestinians.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • Traumatizing a child is a heinous act. There is no middle ground, no grey area here. I have no pity for those thugs abusing that child's rights in this way; and quit trying to spin it! There should be zero tolerance for military aggression and abuse against children! No doubt the trauma inflicted on this vulnerable child will leave serious scars.

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • @gilagd
      "This is total denial of Jewish history and heritage."

      I have asked you before to present your arguments based on Jewish history and heritage. Since this is clearly important to you, I am sure you will do so eventually.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
    • Thanks Phil. Great journalism. And thanks to Ted Auerbach for speaking out so clearly.

      BTW, I think this should be brought to the attention of the editors of the Times, forcing them to readdress the matter and formally change their POV, as a guarantee this won't happen again.

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
    • Tonight the lamentable Rudoren and Gordon wrote that "the United States harshly condemning a new deal announced by feuding Palestinian factions, including the militant group Hamas, to repair their seven-year rift". Then they note that Kerry's spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, called the Palestinian move “disappointing” and the timing “troubling.” This is hardly condemnation but then almost everything Rudoren and Gordon write is an attempt to condemn the Palestinians. Such is the conflict of interest when you let Zionists report on Israel.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • These are my observations. There are many Jewish Americans that are disturbed by the trends in Israel but few of them are active in opposing them. Amongst the wealthier who are generally older, there is some fear that things will boomerang and they will be blamed and possibly even be subjected to pogroms. History has long tentacles and, in this case, is quite toxic to change. The Jewish Right is taking full advantage but in many cases is quite caught up in the same mindset.

      Younger Jews have, in general, just disconnected with Israel. It is just easier. The fear, palpable amongst many of their elders, isn't there except as a distant abstraction. Disconnect keeps family harmony. They may offer hope as many will become future elites but it will be a long, slow process.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • "it is more often than not twenty-something kids who get sent to do their dirty work."

      Twenty-somethings are old enough to decide for themselves. When I was twenty (in the era when twenty-one was voting age) the Australian Government told me to join the army and go to Vietnam. I refused, and successfully pled conscientious objection. Not all my contemporaries were successful in gaining CO status, and some went to prison while others fled the country. For all of us, of course, our career prospects were severely damaged.

      In Israel too there are twenty-somethings who can decide for themselves whether they are going to do the right thing or not.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
  • Bridgegate 2.0: Israeli tech students manipulate traffic patterns (24)
    • @ hophmi "Scraping the bottom of the barrel again, I see" based on the premise that " Because, as we all know, hackers exist in Israel only"

      If you say so hophmi

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • Bishara and Al Jazeera have done a good job. But I'm going to pick a fight about one point. Bishara writes...

      The only two exceptions to this rule came first in 1991 when the George Bush administration insisted that Israel freeze all settlement building in the occupied Palestinian territories in order to convene the international conference for peace. And in 2010, when General David Petraeus reportedly warned that the Palestinian issue was “fomenting anti-American sentiment due to the perception of US favouritism towards Israel”.

      There have been other exceptions besides the two listed by Bishara. (1) For example, Israel designed and built (with US help) their own fighter plane, the Lavi fighter. But after development, the plane never went into production. Only two prototypes were built. Why not? Because the Israeli plane would have competed with US warplanes in the world market. (2) Right now, Netanyahu is not helping the US in the Ukraine (for whatever his reason). (3) Way back in 1956, in the Suez crisis, Israel allied with France and the UK to attack Egypt. But then the US and USSR forced Israel to give back the Sinai peninsula to Egypt. (British and French power in the Middle East never recovered). (4) The Jonathan Pollard spy scandal. Pollard remains in prison. (5) The eruption of the AIPAC spy scandal (Rosen/Weissman), although in the end, the outcome was different from the Pollard case.

      I have written before that the US ruling class and the Israeli ruling class think that their interests are parallel, at least for the most part and in the long run. However, there are exceptions, some of which are listed in the previous paragraph. Bishara could have compiled a longer list of exceptions, not just two.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • Hophmi insists on applying mouth to mouth long after the body has decayed...

      "The point of national registration in Israel is not to identify non-Jews. It’s to identify, period."

      So why does it identify Jews?

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • so that is the inferred relationship rather than with the defunct PA.

      yonah, there was no inference made only an explicit statement regarding "US relations with the Palestinian Authority". maybe Psaki or the reporter made a mistake.

      i'm not really clear what palestine has to lose by damaging their relations with israel's lawyer the US. it's just dealing w/more zionists. palestine should dump the US and if they are bent on having a middle broker use some neutral country. the US has nothing to offer palestinians.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • I think Martin Indyk and Dennis Ross do deserve credit for helping Israel to continue its insane illegal colonisation programme in the West Bank, during Obama's presidency.

    • Great piece. And what a comment on the state of affairs that obtains: one Jew, amidst the number of Christians, on US team during Egypt-Israel negotiations at Camp David; next time around, Bill Clinton is the sole Christian and rest of US team is all Jews! Pathetic, and dangerous.

  • Israeli settlers release wild boars on Palestinian farmland to destroy crops (19)
    • I have to reply here, because on the other site there is no reply button... again. I will also refer to what you wrote here. I am sorry if some thing are hard to read...it is late here... :)
      You are inconsistent in your assertions, you change your mind and definitions depending on who you're talking about. If you play the "WHAT IF game" and say that a hypothetical expulsion of a community or "throwing it into the sea" is genocide or is close to genocide you can't later change your mind and say that what Zionist did to Palestinian was ethnic cleansing, because they did just that.
      Next :
      Internal activities affect the external action and I didn't only describe Hamas' internal structure. I see that Hamas' unused Charter is an important element of your propaganda, and you will stick to it, even when Hamas doesn't do that (and didn't do it from the beginning, since their attacks started only year after that!,etc)+ regardless of the fact that it is not a basis for their actions and even Hamas members themselves say it. You avoid finding out more about Hamas, claiming that you don't want to read what others write about them -wow here you showed your childishness + in these books are interviews and statements from Hamas members, for example Yasin, etc + you ignored what Yousef said. You avoid at all costs anything that would make you to abandon the typical propaganda on the subject- your choice.
      It is clearly written that the main obstacle to change the Charter--- (which Hamas as a grass-root movement [even as a political party] don't use, and don't find necessary to produce a new one every single time they change their policy- and those books explain why [but you refuse to read them- it is your problem not mine]------are caused by attacks of radical and rival groups, that is why I gave you the work written by Yezid Sayigh who writes about it!I see you have NO idea how big a threat they are for Hamas, NO ONE CARES that you think it shouldn't be a problem for Hamas, why do you think Likud doest change its charter? [the difference also lies in the fact that Likud is serious about its written documents and have different form of policy in this matter, butit does not change its charter also due to the rivalry and criticism of other (ideologically)right-wing groups-so it doesn't matter what you think about that.
      Next :
      You didn't discover America when you wrote about Hamas' own intepretation of Islam! But if you think that the mere reference to Islamic tradition as a social basis for changes and action is anti-Jewish you are no different from the anti-Semites in this regard. Each group draws on religious tradition, has its own interpretative framework, Jews do it too (they also have problems with different interpretation of their tradition, there are numerous conflicts between Jews in this regard and are groups that promote different visions of "true" Judaism)- so what you wrote is actually one big cliche, that brings nothing to the discussion (Read Talal Asad, R.C.Martin, A. Barzegar "Islamism. Contested Persprectives on Political Islam", works of A. Bayat, Kh. Hroub, or even L.D. Lybarger who has somtimes problems with definitions but in general is ok).
      NEXT:
      You don't have a clue about nationalism, "nation" and Arab nationalism! You read something about the Baath Party? Congratulations! BUT it doesn't mean anything! Their program (which later changed, not to mention the split in the group) is mainly about relationship between nationalism and socialism. While based on a broader discussion of Arab nationalism it doesn't devote more attention to culture and identity! About Arab nationalism read for example : Ernets Dawn , Sukru Hanioglu, M. Muslih, R. Khalidi , J.P Jankowski, Philip S. Khoury, L. Anderson, and sources like: al- Rahman al- Bazzaz , Qustantin Zurayq , Edmond Rabbath , Kh. Qubrusi , SATI AL- HUSRI. You know nothing about it- you prove it by writing nonsense about a "racial " meaning of a community in the Arab context! They (and Palestinians too) see the broad Arab community as a group connected by CULTURE, mainly through language! Only some of them mention the so-called "pure Arabs ", who according to them live in the Arabian Peninsula (they themselves say they are basing this argument on the mythologized history). The rest of the Arabs are descendants of people who were arabized. Your "racial" (blood ties) understanding of groups derive more from Zionist narration! AGAIN DON'T PROJECT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THINGS ONTO OTHERS AND ZIONIST UNDERSTANDINGS (WHICH DIFFER DEPENDING ON TIME ETC.) ONTO PALESTINIANS! For example read about the time when Zionists thought of Palestinians, not as Arabs, but descendants of the ancient Jews, but later that changed their narration: Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi were one of them.
      About nationalism read Craig Calhoun, HANS KOHN, Ch. Tilly, J. Breuilly, even Anthony Smith with his ethnosymbolism (who is criticized for confusion of the concepts of ethnicity and nation, when he studies historical communities- he later modified his ideas).
      What you write is nothing else but the application of the nationalist discourse itself, something M. Billig calls "banal nationalism". You reproduce colloquial thinking about nations which you think represent the real process of nation formation, and it's not! You are wrong about the definition of a nation and nationality! The idea of a nation began to develop in the nineteenth century (some studies go to 18th century), according to latest research it didn't start necessarily or exclusively in Europe). Why do you think Zionism emerged in that time? only because of anti-semitism? Well anti-semitism didn't start at that time, so there were other factors in play and nationalism (the idea of a nation) is one of them- many Jews opposed that idea even at first.
      THERE WERE NO NATIONS in antiquity- READ THE BOOKS ABOVE ABOUT IT! Nomenclature is not important, the idea is!!!! Separateness is not a determinant factor for a nation or a homogeneous culture- because ethnicity has the same elements!! DON'T CONFUSE THEM (+there is no such thing as homogeneous culture, and each researcher will tell you that basic truth). No true scholar say that ancient Persians, Romans, Greeks, etc. were nations! Likewise, the Jews and other communities weren't a nation in ancient times. That idea is created by nationalist discourse and that is typical for most national and historical narratives! Strange that you think it is funny that Cannanites by some are considered to be Palestinians, but you don't write the same about the Zionist narrative of the past- could it be (again)the famous "Jewish" exception? On what basis? Even Israeli scholars of nationalism do not say that!
      ALSO YOU MIX Hebrews with Israelites and Jews. You write as if they were one and the same group that at one point in time they killed all the local people and completely replaced them- WOW! Now there is even a new idea: of a long-term migration and assimilation rather than conquest. Do you think that in the 7th century a handful of people magically replaced the local people and for some reason left only a small group of Jews? Are you crazy? Do you think that ALL "Arabs" come from the Arabian Peninsula?! - Haven't you heard of several waves of migration before 7th century: assimilation, religious conversion, etc? Contemporary clear ethnic divisions and historical narratives don't represent the reality and the historical processes! Divisions represent the contemporary state of nationalist discourses! Arabic (its early forms) is associated with this region- discovery in Ugarit is just one example. It didn't "came" only from the Penisula...eh....REMEBER 1 RELIGION, LANGUAGE, "CULTURE"≠ 1 NATION or group IDENTITY, ETC.
      THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF SOLOMON AND DAVID, because the recent discovery in Khirbet Qeiyafa is called the FIRST-EVER identified archaeological evidence of Judean ritual dating from the time of David, about the 10th century bce BUT: Prof. Nadav Na'aman, a historian and archaeologist at Tel Aviv University, discounts Garfinkel and Ganora 's conclusions - what do you think about David is irrelevant. In other post I gave many books on the subject- look it up.
      In addition, Judaism has evolved over a long time and there is evidence in the Bible that "Jews" first believed in two gods El and Yahweh, and only later created the idea of one God. Have you heard about the mother goddess Asherah controversy?? The discovery at Kuntilet ‛Ajrud strains the traditional narrative so much that some traditional Zionist-inclined scholars attempted to “removethe name of ‘Asherah from the inscriptions"- as Johannes C. de Moor writes in "The Rise of Yahwism: The Roots of Israelite Monotheism", second edition. For a description of this discovery, see Zeev Meshel, “Kuntilet ‛Ajrud: A Religious Centre from the Time of the Judaean Monarchy on the Border of Sinai”. Even the Bible notes that apart from the followers of "Judaism" (Judaism at that time, since it didn't constitute "Judaism" in modern sense) other groups lived in this land, like in Jerusalem, Ashakalan, etc., and no one denies this!! Where do you think the later "infidels" came from? that had to be subjected to Christianization for several centuries? From Mars? THEY WERE THERE ALL ALONG!
      NEXT:
      The closing of Israeli archives has been criticized by many Israeli scholars. I can see your hypocritical attitude in this matter. You put great pressure on the Hamas Charter which from the beginning has been null and void, but you defend the censorship of Zionist archives to defend ACTUAL AND NOT HYPOTHETICAL Israel's crimes- BY YOUR OWN DESCRIPTION: GENOCIDAL- don't care if you suddenly want to change it to ethnic cleansing just because Jews did it, I am just using your original stance about this.
      About Palestinian nationalism: You have selected a nice date 1920 ... beautifully .... "pity" that their national discourse has been used by them earlier DURING THE LATE OTTOMAN TIMES- it was a process, their nationalist discourse gained more and more popularity- Zionism went through a similar process, its ideology became popular in late 20s and 30s. As I wrote sole idea of a group's distinctiveness is not a sufficient criterion for nationhood, nationalism it's practically a never ending process (for all "nations").
      B. Kimmerling, R. Khalidi, M. Muslih, T. Samari, Haim Gerber (who mistakenly writes about Palestinian nationalism in the Middle Ages, but gives great historical sources and facts about their collective consciousness and its development), Ph. Mattar, Walid Khalidi and many others.
      Don't write nonsense that there are no modern problems with the definition of who is a Jew, Israeli, etc. Much is written and spoken about it- you don't need to agree with them, but they exist! The very definition of who is a Jew (formally) has changed and still there is no 100% agreed upon definition. Don't pretend that that nothing has been written about the issue of "recognition of the Jewish state"-definition and consequences- (links, books, UN reports etc. cited on this site alone are enough to make your argument about the "validit"y of that demand preposterous)- I won't write them here again + It was invented after the Palestinians AGAIN recognized the state of Israel (Till this day Israel didn't do the same with Pals), and Israel decided to stop the peace talks by demanding that ridiculous, unprecedented, and not required by law, etc. statement- to continue further colonization.
      oh and for your "genocidal revolts" (again you are arbitrarily using this concept, then surely what Zionists were doing to Pals in 1947-1949 (and even in early 50s- read about it) is genocide- don't know where you got your information (Karsh maybe?? ;p )- give me books that say they were genocidal, how big they were, etc., and read Simha Flapan, B. Kimmerling and Migdal, W. Khalidi, R. Khalidi, even Morris, Pappe, Avi Shlaim, Tom Segev, or even Shlomo Ben Ami, Benvenisti for starters.Read also British reports and UN docs about it all... Untill may 1948 Zionist managed to kill and wipe out many Pals and villages, so the "genocidal fight" was in fact done by Zionists (no form of "defence" here "just" making way for a "jewish state"). If you like quotes: Aryeh Yitzhaki, Israeli historian who served as director of the IDF archives stated: "In almost every conquered village (...), Zionist forces commited war crimes such as indiscriminate killings, massacres and rapes."
      You only showed that you have no idea what you're writing about, you avoid or arbitrarily reject any argument to maintain YOUR current ideas about some things. I suppose that once again you will give ONLY YOUR OPINION as "the only" sure counterargument against something you didn't even read, but arbitrarily reject it anyway .... so I will not reply to you anymore since it is meaningless... I doubt that you will read that many books (or at least the few articles I gave you- they are free online) and get familiar with their arguments in 5 minutes, so the discussion wouldn't make sense anyway....

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • "I see a need to transform that Jewish presence, to embrace Palestinian human rights the same way we support civil rights here."

      Perceiving Jews as uniformly supporting civil rights here ignores the fact that there were many Jews on the other side of the civil rights issue. There were Jewish storeowners in the South who supported, participated and profited from Jim Crow too.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • @ Annie Robbins,

      Q: ...pity their brainwashed little souls who kill children like shooting rabbits?

      R: The Army doesn't need individual, thinking souls. Those grueling 13 weeks going through boot camp are all about erasing personal thoughts and meant to instill an automated, violent response to 'them' attacking/hurting 'us.'

      There's no excuse for what they're doing, but there has to be a reason, even if I abhor that illogical rationale myself. I've done enough 'evil' back in the day, to know otherwise.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • Wow, lysias, I have watched in amazement at the Times's steady stream of articles skewering Russia and Putin on what seemed to be very ambiguous evidence. It was almost as if they were trying to atone for their negligence in questioning the US rush to war a decade ago by being hyper-vigilant against Russia this time, perverted as if that might sound. I briefly watched MSNBC yesterday, and the talking heads were making fun of the denials from Moscow in the face of this incontrovertible photographic proof. Now this subtle, buried retraction or at least pullback from what was previously presented as conclusively established. I'm not suggesting that Moscow is blameless or angelic, but the ease with which our government can manipulate the so-called liberal news media is astonishing.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • @ Woody Tanaka,

      Q: They’re adults and responsible for their own acts.

      R: As much as I agree with the gist of that line, honesty triggers a response along another line; when I was that age [teen/early twenties], I was way more sensitive to outside influences than I am today. Do not underestimate the environment these youngsters grow up in. My friend Avi said years ago, "I don't know what happens to me, but once I get off the plane @ Ben Gurion, I immediately go into 'combat mode.'"

      And he is one of the most peaceful men I know...

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • lysias said: "I thought that the entity claiming separate existence in Donetsk called itself “Донетская Народная Республика”, i.e., “Donetsk People’s Republic”. Yet this document is entitled “Невасимая Донетская Республика”, i.e., “Independent Republic of Donetsk”."

      Yes, that is the title at the top. But the stamp at the bottom says "Donetsk People's Republic"! The author was presumably in a rush and did not take the effort to produce a consistent text. That is not the only inconsistency. In the heading and the second paragraph Jews are defined as a "nationality" (i.e., ethnic group) but in the third paragraph they are defined as a religious confession. So it is not clear whether people of Jewish origin who do not profess Judaism are required to register or not.

    • The point of national registration in Israel is not to identify non-Jews. It’s to identify, period.

      If that were the case, then it would be unnecessary to indicate a religion/ethnicity on the ID card. In the US I have a driver's license and a passport. Neither one indicates my religion (or lack of same) or my ethnicity. And yet I am still "identified", by my picture, my height and weight, my place and date of birth, and my fingerprint. The only reason Israel puts a religion/ethnicity on its IDs is because it differentiates in its treatment of its citizens on the basis of religion/ethnicity. Your denial of the obvious is pathetic, hophmi.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • Many times they have in fact chosen to move from their home country to Israel and so have actively chosen to take part in the Occupation and Oppression. Of course, such folks have been subject to a lifetime of Zionist indoctrination so, although not deserving of pity, we can understand how they are like they are.

  • Federal agencies express concerns about Israel's entry into the Visa Waiver Program (38)
    • Exactly. Israel "says" many things. I think what we are looking for is "Israel stopped discriminating" as in action, not empty words.
      An american from California (for example) whose parents and grandparents and great-grandparents... etc came from the US or eventually Europe can go into Israel automatically. If he/she is Jewish. A person whose parents and grandparents and great-grandparents lived in Ramallah.. not so likely. that is aparthied, just one example of a brutal system that discriminates against one group and favors another.
      Why should i get an automatic pass and not a person that has deep and recent roots to actual living there?

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • The stench of death is universal. Once you've mastered that smell, you'll recognize it instantly, no matter where you are. So, when the Apartheid State rolls out that bloated corpse they so happily refer to as the ‘Palestinian Peace Process 'Slash' Negotiations,’ I know time has come to finally bury the bugger and arrest the squatters in the Funeral Parlor for impersonating Doves, whilst blood is slithering down the aisles from their bloodstained claws.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • Nonsense. The registry, which notes religion, includes Druze and many, many other appellations.

      @ Hophmi, you're being deliberately dishonest. There is no such thing as an "Arab" or "Circassian" religion, the Ministry of Interior registry employs more than 128 "nationalities".

      The ID cards themselves include no mention of ethnicity.

      Sure they do. The date of birth on Jewish identity cards use the Hebrew calendar.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
    • "Not a single one at all" means you know the mental state of every single Palestinian in the world. If it is true, Palestinians must be angels rather than normal human beings.

      The idea that masses of Palestinians have the avowed goal of killing Jews, preposterous as it may be, is an idee fixe of the more extreme kind of Zionist propaganda. It isn't confined to a few nutters. For instance, I read on a Kahanite website that the only difference between Palestinian citizens of Israel and other Palestinians is that the former know how to chant "Death to the Jews!" in Hebrew and not just in Arabic.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • And Netanyahu was doing very similar things and much worse at the age of these soldiers. Those in power positions in Israel are well aware of what results that they want from these repetitive and systematic forms of abuse.

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • That's rich from the guy calling mythology history. You and yours have repeated lied and distorted history. Zionists are against historical facts as they are a threat to their ability to conquer

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • "To their credit – the estimated 4 million Jews, who emigrated to North America from Europe between 1860 and 1960, and their descendants have emerged as powerful and influential actors throughout the American establishment."

      Obviously, only a minority of the 4 million can have become powerful members of the American establishment. Even on the loosest definition, the American establishment surely cannot consist of more than 100,000 or so individuals, many of whom are not Jews (even granting that the Jewish presence is disproportionately large).

      On the other hand, I hope that Mr. Bishara does not really mean it when he says that the "success" of American Jews in getting into the establishment is "to their credit." How can that be squared with his praise of those who give up any prospect of getting into that establishment by taking an ethical stand? Perhaps he is bending over backward to say nice things about Jews in the forlorn hope of not being branded an anti-Semite?

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • what about the soldiers who lay in wait, in the bush like hunters watching their prey and murdered a 14 year old child. you pity them too? pity their brainwashed little souls who kill children like shooting rabbits? or didn't you hear about it?

      link to haaretz.com
      link to haaretz.com
      link to haaretz.com

      killing, abducting, maiming, terrorizing children is coward's work.

      link to mondoweiss.net

      why pity these soldiers? why not shame them? instead, you argue by paraphrasing your ideological opponents position? phff.

      What on earth are you talking about?

      protecting children is common sense and common instinct.

      link to mondoweiss.net

      Two steps: one, two.
      ‏Look in the mirror:
      ‏The horror, the horror!
      ‏The butt of your M-16 on my cheekbone
      ‏The yellow patch it left
      ‏The bullet-shaped scar expanding
      ‏Like a swastika,
      ‏Snaking across my face,
      ‏The heartache flowing
      ‏Out of my eyes dripping
      ‏Out of my nostrils piercing
      ‏My ears flooding
      ‏The place.
      ‏Like it did to you
      ‏70 years ago
      ‏Or so.

      ‏I am just you.
      ‏I am your past haunting
      ‏Your present and your future.
      ‏I strive like you did.
      ‏I fight like you did.
      ‏I resist like you resisted
      ‏And for a moment,
      ‏I’d take your tenacity
      ‏As a model,
      ‏Were you not holding
      ‏The barrel of the gun
      ‏Between my bleeding
      ‏Eyes.

      One. Two.
      ‏The very same gun
      ‏The very same bullet
      ‏That had killed your Mom
      ‏ And killed your Dad
      ‏Is being used,
      ‏Against me,
      ‏By you.

      ‏Mark this bullet and mark in your gun.
      ‏If you sniff it, it has your and my blood.
      ‏It has my present and your past.
      ‏It has my present.
      ‏It has your future.
      ‏That’s why we are twins,
      ‏Same life track
      ‏Same weapon
      ‏Same suffering
      ‏Same facial expressions drawn
      ‏On the face of the killer,
      ‏Same everything
      ‏Except that in your case
      ‏The victim has evolved, backward,
      ‏Into a victimizer.
      ‏I tell you.
      ‏I am you.
      ‏Except that I am not the you of now.

      ‏I do not hate you.
      ‏I want to help you stop hating
      ‏And killing me.
      ‏I tell you:
      ‏The noise of your machine gun
      ‏Renders you deaf
      ‏The smell of the powder
      ‏Beats that of my blood.
      ‏The sparks disfigure
      ‏My facial expressions.
      ‏Would you stop shooting?
      ‏For a moment?
      ‏Would you?

      ‏All you have to do
      ‏Is close your eyes
      ‏(Seeing these days
      ‏Blinds our hearts.)
      ‏Close your eyes, tightly
      ‏So that you can see
      ‏In your mind’s eye.
      ‏Then look into the mirror.
      ‏One. Two.
      ‏I am you.
      ‏I am your past.
      ‏And killing me,
      ‏You kill you.

    • someone like you wades in with your size nines and casually lumps together the hundreds of thousands of people that make up the IDF as one big pile of evil

      you're funny. actually someone like you just waded in and with your size nines and dropped a "pile of evil" comment, no one else did. we get it, you watched the video and feel pity for the soldiers. you wanna focus on their humanity and what a relief it is they didn't "triumph over racist indoctrination".

      whereas it is quite rational to consider the very presence of the occupation soldiers dragging off a child to begin with as racist at it's core. so why not argue your point on it's (alleged) merit? why transform The empathy should be forthcoming from the soldiers for those under their care.
      into "big pile of evil"?

      how would you like me to paraphrase you? put words in your mouth? if , as you claim, "Disgust" was your first reaction, please elaborate on that disgust. because frankly, i'm unconvinced.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • @ hophmi
      You're so funny. You say, "The (Israel state) ID is used for all sorts of public services available to Jews and non-Jews alike. So, are you advocating the USA should implement the exact same sort of ID? And that SCOTUS should declare there is no American ID, as the Israeli high court said about Iraeli nationality?

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (10)
    • Woody Tanaka says:
      April 23, 2014 at 4:21 pm
      I guess if the Zionists had wanted to feel welcome by the Arabs of the Galillee they wouldn’t have acted the way they did for the last 100 years or so.

      Thanks for clarifying that when you say "Zionists," you mean "Jews."
      One of the Jews interviewed was Ilan Tuma-Shechter, a scion of one of the ancient Jewish families of Peqiin that have a documented unbroken presence in the village for not a mere five centuries (as my family can claim in the Land of Israel) but 2,000 years. He is a perfect example of one of the "Palestinian Arab Jews" who supposedly are the only ones that have a right to live in the country, and whom the anti-Zionist freedom fighters say are part and parcel of the Palestinian people, yet his lineage does not grant him any special dispensation to anti-coexistence radicals like the hotheads who chased him out and who you agree with.

      By your logic, obviously since Israeli Jews (and our "Palestinian Jewish" predecessors from 1917-1948) have suffered murderous mob violence and expulsion from places where our ancestors lived (Hebron in 1929, the Old City of Jerusalem in 1948), and then years of terrorism by the relatives of our fellow Israeli citizens of Arab nationality, it would be perfectly understandable for Israeli Jews not to welcome their fellow Israelis who happen to be Arabs into our neighborhoods, as one has to expect that such behavior will "cause a bit of resentment," per your words. Fortunately, most of us Israeli Jews are enlightened folk, and have no problem living next to our Arab neighbors in such towns as Yafo, Haifa, Akko,
      Nazareth-Ilit and Karmiel (the first three locations have always been mixed--the latter two were nearly exclusively Jewish municipalities that have seen a large influx of Israeli-Arab residents in recent years). Sometimes some Israeli Jews are unwelcoming to their fellow Israelis (if they happen to be Arab) in places like Karmiel , naturally I condemn such attitudes, but I'm sure you understand them given that a bit of resentment is understandable considering the way Arabs have acted in the last 100 years or so.

  • John Kerry and the Pope set to face off with Jewish Knight Templars on the Temple Mount (10)
    • The medieval knights were Templars. There was, I believe, a small German religious sect called the 'Templers' which had beliefs about Temples and Palestine and had a presence in Palestine before and during Mandate days. They were eventually regarded as close to the Nazis and expelled, but still have some organised existence.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
  • Federal agencies express concerns about Israel's entry into the Visa Waiver Program (38)
    • Brad Sherman's a liberal Zionist. Here's an interview with him re the Obama red line on attacking Syria: link to washingtonpost.com

      Congressman Brad Sherman (D-CA) called for the arrest and prosecution of "any U.S. citizens who were aboard or involved with the Gaza Freedom Flotilla" under the Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
  • Federal agencies express concerns about Israel's entry into the Visa Waiver Program (38)
  • 'There is no 'Palestine Exception' to free speech rights': Northeastern overturns Students for Justice in Palestine suspension (9)
    • Any idea who advised them to take the deal?

      I'm not sure why constant monitoring of the administration is contingent upon them taking the deal. And the publicity is rather better if they stand their ground, isn't it? This is a win for the administration, no doubt about it. They overreached and they knew it, but now they have cover. Oh well.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • This morning, on the cable TV Turner Channel Remember him, and why he's now out of the picture?), they ran Fort Apache, a Hollywood story of how a stupid US Cavalry officer (played by Jane Fonda's daddy with fake gray streaks in his hair) meet his demise and the total massacre of all his (Irish born immigrant) cavalry because he didn't listen to John Wayne's wisdom about the Apaches? At the very end, the Wayne character has replaced the Fonda character as leader of the US cavalry, and he's shown telling the mainstream press journalists how great the Fonda character was as a courageous American leader of US forces? There's nothing more cynical than that movie. And, unfortunately, to this day, the lesson has not been learned by the American public.

      BTW, if memory serves, Petraeus did not mention to Congress what was documented in his brief case at his feet: That the US rubber-stamping of Israel was causing great harm to America, and would continue to do so, if not checked. And you, of course, recall that the 9/11 Commission edited its original main motive placement at the same feet, turning into a generic "all US foreign policy has (negative)" blowback. And some of you know, the main motive of 9/11 attackers, Israel First US policy, remains intact within the body of the 9/11 report, despite the generic summary ending of motive.

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • "There are some things, like the Temple Mount, that will need to be shared. "

      Al Haram ash Sharif is Muslim and the Jews have no more right to worship there, against the wishes of the Muslims, simply because a Jewish Temple used to be there than the Eastern Orthodox have a right to hold Chrsitian services at Hagia Sophia against the wishes of the Turkish Government because it used to be a Cathedral or Muslims do to worship at Cathedral of the Assumption of Our Lady in Cordoba, Spain, against the wishes of the Catholic Church because it used to be a mosque.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • "Instead of migrating [to Israel, American Jews post '67] provided indispensable support, financial, political and even strategic. [to Israel]"

      Isn't this the definition of a fifth column?

  • Global Earth Day coalition drops SodaStream over complicity in Israeli occupation (18)
    • Thanks, ritzl, I'll look into that. At the moment I am trying to mentally digest a series of links, documents, books by Hostage. Occasionally that leads to mental overload. Fascinating how well he knows the subject. I see your first link leads back to him again.

      I am not impressed by the brand anyway. But I'll look into your collection ;)

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (10)
    • Walid says:
      April 23, 2014 at 12:55 pm

      Israelis are very scared. They must feel their world is coming to an end.

      This is what's called hyperbole. Obviously the Israeli government isn't too discomfited by a few teenage Israeli citizens squatting and picnicking on this land, even if it is hard on the border of Hezbollah-land, and most Israelis are unaware of and don't care if these kids want to camp out. As long as they don't interfere with IDF patrols along the nearby border or cause environmental damage to Nahal Betzet reserve, it shouldn't be a problem.

      The government does strenuously remove unauthorized Jewish "hilltop youth" outposts, though. (As they should.)

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • "Woody, do you say the same thing about the Quran?"

      Of course. Religious texts are interesting, historical and cultural touchstones but have absolutely no legitmate place in deciding political questions.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
    • Yes! I had to watch it a second time because the bald guy at the end gave me the heebeejeebeez when I noticed him. Was curious if anyone else noticed that too or I was just paranoid. lol

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • "hophmi, you seem to suggest that if the flyers had required everyone in Donetsk to register as Jewish or Christian or other, and/or had not demanded payment of a $50 registration fee, it would have been OK with you and John Kerry and Abe Foxman. "

      I'm saying that a country with a policy of registering all is different from a country with a policy of registering one group only. If the flyer had been distributed to all Donetskians/Ukrainians/whatever they call themselves, and had included religion, I do not think Abe Foxman would be making a big deal out of it.

      "The transparent effort to identify the minority Jewish population would have been just as frightening."

      Again, assuming that was the point. The point of national registration in Israel is not to identify non-Jews. It's to identify, period. Israel has a national ID. The ID is used for all sorts of public services available to Jews and non-Jews alike. So your comparison of the two is just highly, highly ridiculous.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (10)
    • "There are many Arab localities in northern Israel that were once home to vibrant Jewish communities and where Jews are today made to feel unwelcome."

      Well, three generations of "The Jewish State" (TM) torturing and oppressing the relatives of the people who live in that area would have a tendancy to cause a bit of resentment. I guess if the Zionists had wanted to feel welcome by the Arabs of the Galillee they wouldn't have acted the way they did for the last 100 years or so.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
    • woody, jeff has done the maths. don't you see the dates and numbers? (3568/(2010-1968) X 2 = 100% of Palestinian Arabs want to kill 'all the Jews'. I double checked. He's right.)

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (16)
    • @ Kathleen
      It won't matter unless "this discussion" takes place in the 98% Gentile American community. The proof is in the current pudding, for many decades now, and no matter whether we have a Democratic or GOP government. My experience its that most Americans hold "universalist " ethical/moral values, whether Christian-derived, or secularly derived, e.g., from the Declaration of Independence, or from both resources. The problem is the Lobby buys US Congress and next POTUS. And the 5 corporation mainstream media spreads the hasbara.

      Americans simply don't get any objective factual or historical information from our government or mainstream media; it's all the Israeli narrative in the very controlled "breaking news" and US regime policy documents.

      You can easily attack the gun Lobby, but not the Israel lobby. You can easily attack the US government, but not the Israeli government.

      It's really an absurdity until you factor in the power of singularly-focused huge political campaign donations where there's no such competition, and the fact most Americans have no interest or clue about US foreign policy in the first place, and they are necessarily focused on basic economic issues.

      Things will change only when there is a "price tag" on rubber-stamping Israel. At present, and for decades now, there is, to the contrary, a price tag on criticizing Israel, one that only a few very rate US politicians(or media mavens) have risked paying. They all paid the price.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (10)
    • Iqrit was originally a Jewish-populated town, from the Mishnaic period and was a home to Jews until the Crusaders destroyed it. It was known in Hebrew as Yoqart (יוקרת), and was the home of Yossy deman Yoqart, a sage of the Talmud.

      Kefar Yasif, also mentioned in the article, also held a large Jewish population and there were still Jews living there until the early 20th century. There is an ancient and unfortunately neglected Jewish cemetery in Kfar Yasif where the famous rabbi Moshe Haim Luzzzato is buried, along with some of my father's ancestors, according to what an elderly aunt told my sister.

      There are many Arab localities in northern Israel that were once home to vibrant Jewish communities and where Jews are today made to feel unwelcome.

      link to israeltoday.co.il

      link to strangeside.com

      link to israelnationalnews.com
      link to ynetnews.com

  • Global Earth Day coalition drops SodaStream over complicity in Israeli occupation (18)
    • That exchange is the primary cause of customer dissatisfaction.

      JeffB: Yes, lots of rage and complaints around that issue over here that and bad logistics in the cartridge field causes quite a bit of anger.

      I think the average MWer would think the negative publicity would hurt.

      Not necessarily, I agree. But if the brand is successfully linked with a human rights stain that could change significantly.

      The value of the company is in the brand control investors could care less about the factory.

      Well yes, people like silly tools. I drink no soft drinks, only organic apple juice, natural cloudy. Or water. I would have no use for this tool.

      Brand? The syrup type thick juice added to water is a very, very old idea I remember from childhood, it was once a hype but has completely disappeared again by now. This seems to be partially an attempt at reviving the idea. The only difference is the soda, and that is exactly what apparently make the thing expensive. And also where the problems seem to start. People claim they were promised some deposit and return system, where they pay for the cartridge hardware only once and then only pay the refilling. But it often does not work that way. They have to buy a new one and additionally the shop keeps the cartridge they payed an extra high price for, they claim, since it would be a one time deposit only. That may help to sell extras but how long do frustrated customers stay costumers, in spite of Johansson?;)

      With some investments you make money with others you loose. The brand sure is well placed and everywhere, but I cannot see it as a great brand that on itself is worth much. But there you go.

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • I have a religious commitment to the Bible, being an active Christian, but I do not think that specific political rights should be determined by religious prescription but by ethical principles common to all: such principles exist, I think. I also think, for what it's worth, that I follow the Bible here.
      Moreover, if you want to study history scientifically (which is the only hope for getting your account fully accepted) then you have to let the record be questioned, that being a principle of scientific enquiry. Some will come to the conclusions robustly expressed by Woody.
      If you both accept the Biblical story of the Israelite Conquest as more or less true and also accept normal ethical principles you could not think that the heirs of the conquerors, who did not act in accordance with those principles, had a permanent ethical claim, based on that very story, to exclusive rights in the place in question. It's somewhat similar with the later story down to the Maccabees.
      If you think at the level of theology that in ancient days God made an exceptional decree setting normal principles aside for a time then it's important that exceptional circumstances do not last for ever and that God's purpose could only have been for the good of all humanity in the end, Palestinians included.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • hophmi, you seem to suggest that if the flyers had required everyone in Donetsk to register as Jewish or Christian or other, and/or had not demanded payment of a $50 registration fee, it would have been OK with you and John Kerry and Abe Foxman. No it wouldn't have. The transparent effort to identify the minority Jewish population would have been just as frightening. btw, I don't believe there is anything in the flyers that suggests that Jews would be deprived of their right to vote or "serve."

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  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • Exactly. lysias. The four lines chosen from Die Stem for the new anthem can be seen as inclusive. Sadly, there is nothing in Hatikva that could be used as part of an inclusive national anthem. It speaks only of Jews as Israelis.

      As for the new South African anthem, the inclusiveness is shown by the use of the different languages, Xhosa, Zulu, Sesotho, Afrikaans and English. None of the stanzas included in the anthem are exclusionary, or speak of just one ethnicity, and the final English stanza was written specifically to include all groups together as South Africans:
      " Sounds the call to come together,
      And united we shall stand,
      Let us live and strive for freedom
      In South Africa our land."

      This "point" of gilad's was no doubt made in order to smear the Palestinians but all it really does is shine a light on the inability of many Israeli Jews to understand the true meaning of inclusivity, otherwise they wouldn't demand it of others when they've so far been incapable of exhibiting it themselves.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • "I cannot imagine what would make Jews in Israel feel that way. I mean, the Palestinians have been so peaceful, and the region has been so friendly to minorities, always treating Jews perfectly in every way."

      I posed this question the other day and none of you Zionists responded, so I'll pose it again:

      What could possibly be your objection to instituting, in the United States, a country for "White Christians" if we stipulate that Jews and African Americans would suffer exactly that which the Zionists imposed on the Palestinians: First, they would be subject to martial law for a generation and most of their property would be seized by the state, then they would split into two groups - one half would become second-class citizens but subject to discrimination in dozens of different ways, and the other half would be subject to occupation of their land, oppression in every way, restriction on travel, random killings, destruction of their economy and way of life, and that would go on forever, but 47 years at a minimum.

      What possible problem would you have to treating American Jews and African Americans in this fashion?

      Since you seem to be of the opinion that this conflict is totally the fault of the Arab side, and nothing that the Israeli Jews did to the Arabs is the cause of any of the conflict, then why not treat American Jews and African Americans in that same fashion??

  • 'There is no 'Palestine Exception' to free speech rights': Northeastern overturns Students for Justice in Palestine suspension (9)
    • @They may have got more this way: Constant monitoring of the administration behavior by ACLU and civil rights lawyers and excellent publicity. May be used to deal even more effectively with deans and cops. Keeping fingers crossed.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • Actually, if the Jewish state had been established in East Prussia, that would have been in a place where the indigenous German population had already to a large extent fled by 1945, and from which the remaining Germans were very shortly expelled. There were some Poles and Kashubians as well in East Prussia, but they were both relatively small minorities, and most of the Kashubians, who preferred to regard themselves as German, were also expelled.

  • 'There is no 'Palestine Exception' to free speech rights': Northeastern overturns Students for Justice in Palestine suspension (9)
  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • "The empathy"? The single source of empathy permissible in any given situation? What on earth are you talking about?

      You know, perhaps if proponents of justice and human rights for Palestinians, and other victims of the Israeli regime, like us (us meaning proponents, not victims) were capable of showing a little more nuance and, dare I say, common sense in articulating our positions, our opponents would not find it quite so easy to paint themselves absurdly, but somehow without any significant challenge in the MSM, as the "pro-Israel" side when in fact it is *we* who are advocating in the best interests of Israel, in stark constrast to so-called supporters like Schumer, Anthony Weiner and Brad Sherman whose fanaticism has encouraged the nation along the path to international isolation and domestic extremism.

      But the conversation never gets to that stage does it? All it takes is for some weasel like the aforementioned to say something along the lines of "Israel's wonderful and so's the IDF", then someone like you wades in with your size nines and casually lumps together the hundreds of thousands of people that make up the IDF as one big pile of evil, and job done - they're "pro", we're "anti". I'm not saying that dynamic can change over night but why make it sooo easy for them to shape the conversation this way?

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • Yeah as I've said in the past - any time Zionists raise the anti-semitic flag these days all I do is laugh. Very very loudly.

    • hophmi "I mean, the Palestinians have been so peaceful "

      Against Israelis usurping them? You're delusional.

      "..and the region has been so friendly to minorities, always treating Jews perfectly in every way"

      In his lifetime Herlz could have moved to Palestine, attained Palestinian citizenship, bought land and settled anywhere in the Jewish People's historic homeland. Odd that he didn't bother.

      Throughout the LoN Mandate for Palestine period and under the Mandate guidelines Jews could move to Palestine, attained Palestinian citizenship, bought land and settled anywhere in the Jewish People's historic homeland. (Art 7 )

      Meanwhile Palestinian Jews lived in the region in relative peace for over 2,000 years until mass and at times illegal immigration assisted by Zionist colonial project loans made it rather obvious to the locals what the Zionist intention was.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (33)
    • Hey Phil you think Terry Gross one of the people you consider to be "one of the best interviewers around" will be doing a story on this abuse or any interviews with the witnesses of this abuse by the IDF's and illegal settlers abuse of Palestinian children on her program? Been going on for decades. You can be sure if the tables were turned and these were Jewish children being abused daily by Palestinians she would be all over the story.

      You had to be kidding the other day when you said that about Gross right?

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • @ Hophmi

      The Palestinians and indigenous Jews tended to get along quite well until European colonists spouting the same type of victimhood/superiority bilge you go in for turned up and started treating them like dirt. Funny that.

      But let's expand your claim here shall we because it's very revealing since what you're basically stating is that Jews, given the history, cannot co-exist with ANYONE unless they're in a position of domination and (temporal 'cause lord knows it aint moral or spiritual) superiority.

      Which is ironic since that position makes, from a non-Jewish pov, anti-semtitism not just logical but necessary self protection. You sure you want to go down that road Hoppy? Hasn't worked out too well for your people in the past. Just in case you forgot.

      Now - any more blood libels you want to spread yet?

  • Israeli settlers release wild boars on Palestinian farmland to destroy crops (19)
    • @ JeffB "The claim is that the Palestinian nation didn’t exist, that there was no Palestinian national identity until about 1920. .... There was a Palestinian on here yesterday making the same claim about himself."

      Apart from ONE alleged Palestinian, who makes these claims?

      "You want me to google for frequent quotes about how there was never a Jewish presence in Palestine. "

      No. I'd like you to show who argues ... " .. that David never existed and there was never any Jewish inhabitation of Palestine (for some even during the 600 BCE – 73 CE time frame)."

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • hophmi, Can you imagine what might have made Jews in Europe feel that way at the end of the War? Do you think it would have been a good idea to create a Jewish State in Europe where Jews had privileges over non-Jews and could expel hundreds of thousands to create their super-majority?

      Was the Middle East even remotely as hostile to its Jewish population for centuries? It was the advent of Zionism that provoked more and more hostility. Maybe the Zionist movement should have chosen Connecticut for its Jewish State. The people there no doubt would have been very disposed to accept the idea, don't you think?

      Whites in South Africa surely felt as threatened, even more so, by the end of apartheid.

      btw, if Palestinians deserve to be punished with inferior rights in the land of their birth for their transgressions of reacting violently to Zionism and mistreatment of Jews and other minorities, do Israelis deserve to be punished for their far greater transgressions of violence and denial of minority rights?

      You are trying to justify a system of ethnic and religious privilege with a little quip. Doesn't work, hophmi. It's the 21st century.

  • John Kerry and the Pope set to face off with Jewish Knight Templars on the Temple Mount (10)
    • @Ellen - Romanization? Thank you for the insight: I used to think there isn't much in that to fit our days. In fact, the Roman model as you say (not so much in Britain, though) is probably a good explanation for the role of the US in Palestine: subcontracting Roman Peace to the local power (take Pergamon or Bithynia) that bribed the most powerful Senators and got provided with limitless military assistance.
      At the level of the enforcing power, though, today's control mechanism is much coarser, more conforming to the model of WW2 German occupation and its appointed puppet administration.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (10)
    • @Walid

      Why is that? I am sure that any minute now Talknic will show up to inform you that:
      a) These descendants are not entitled to the RoR
      b) The Palestinians do not claim a right for descendants.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (32)
    • I have met Ted in D.C. at a "Move over Aipac" event or some other Pro Palestinian Pro Peace gathering. What a sweetheart. "on the contrary I felt more safe in Palestinian homes than in New York"

      Great topic Phil...why is it that the NYBloodyTimes still perpetrates these falsehoods. Oh did I say bloody. Because the NYBT is just that...bloody

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (42)
    • >> I cannot imagine what would make Jews in Israel feel that way. I mean, the Palestinians have been so peaceful ...

      Zio-supremacist ignores Israel's (and Zio-supremacists') past and on-going (war) crimes.

      >> ... and the region has been so friendly to minorities, always treating Jews perfectly in every way.

      Zio-supremacist looks to Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes" to justify his supremacist state's unjust and immoral behaviour.

      hophmeee is a consistent Zio-supremacist.

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