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Actually there is a rest of the world. At Abbas request, Geneva, as in the Geneva conventions , is convening a mid December meeting on Israeli/Palestinian occupation issues with emphasis on the carnage that occurred during the last Gaza “war”. 200 nations have agreed to attend and unlike the last meeting of its kind after the second intifada, the Palestine authority is a signature country. This may be one of the reasons Abbas is stalling on his request to the Security Council. Naturally Israel, the US, Canada and Australia are seeking to derail it. However, the US and the five eyes have so managed to alienate the rest of the world. The US,particularly as represented by Susan Rice, John Kerry and Samantha Power, can be expected to project limited power over the larger group, dominated by the BRICS, only Modi can be expected to break ranks and align with Israel. Strong criticism as well as validation of Israel’s violation of numerous Geneva convention violations against a signatory country would create powerful momentum for the Security Council to move Abbas’ proposals to the General Assembly. A much more powerful scenario than a Third Intifada. Inquiring minds wonder is this is one of the reasons Netanyahu is going crazy?
From the list of people at that shindig, it seems that our nation has turned upside down and all of its worst elements have oozed straight to the top.
I think this is indicative of the collapse of the empire, which is acceeqting. When one thinks of all the leading candidates for POTUS, it’s clear we will end up with a war crazed loon.
Even people like Samantha Power are struggling to explain why the U.S. voted against a resolution condemning Nazism.
It’s much like Israel itself. The U.S. is moving further to the right and becoming more irrational.
I guess Cruz even ignores “the butterfly affect/effect” because he calculates to present only what might give him more power now? He thinks, I imagine, he needs to work with what he’s got.
>> Marnie: “A faction of the Christian-terrorist group the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), will now open its membership to Jews, African Americans, Hispanics and gay people.” Yes, I was wondering when they were going to include the people they have historically hunted down, mutilated, and lynched to be in their numbers. Maybe this is a cute way of saying the Ku Klux Klan is officially in the dustbin of history.
Or maybe it’s a way of saying that the KKK is protestant Christian and democratic. If it’s good enough for “Jewish State”…
The amazing ring us that McCain had to distance himself from Hagee in 2008 for making anti Semitic remarks.
Hagee is famous for saying this such as:
1. Hitler was an agent of God
2. The anti Christ will be a Jew
3. That the saliva of Jews has healing powers (give me some sugar Mooser).
Which all goes to show that anti Semitiism is OK for these people provides you are pro Israel.
i hang out on twitter a lot, and there are a lot of palestinian tweeters in solidarity. this is a people lead movement. and of course there is a lot of interest in the arabic press. why don’t you tell us about the america “thought leaders” aligning themselves with your opinion.
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قضية مايكل براون: شغب في بلدة فيرغسون الأمريكية – مصراوي
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شرطي فيرغسون قاتل الفتى الأسود: ضميري مرتاح – الجزيرة
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14 hours ago – قال الشرطي دارين ويلسون قاتل الفتى الأميركي الأسود مايكل براون في مدينة فيرغسون إنه لم يسعه أن يتصرف بأي شكل آخر، وإن ضميره مرتاح.
We all Michael Brown – كلنا مايكل براون | فيس بوك
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للتواصل مع We all Michael Brown – كلنا مايكل براون، قم بالتسجبل في فيسبوك اليوم. التسجيلتسجيل الدخول … صورة: متظاهرين يحرقون عربية شرطة #ferguson.
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2 days ago – بعد مرور أكثر من ثلاثة أشهر على مقتل الشاب الأسود مايكل براون في فيرغسون تجددت الاحتجاجات بالولايات المتحدة ضد عنف الشرطة والعنصرية على …
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19 hours ago – وبينما كان المحتجون يهتفون: “مايك براون! مايك براون!”، بقيت قوات الشرطة، والتي كانت متواجدة بأعداد كبيرة في مكان قريب، على الحياد وسمحت …
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3 days ago – واضاف “ما من شك ان الشرطي ويلسون تسبب بموت” مايكل براون متحدثا عن “وفاة … في وقت تجمع فيه مئات الاشخاص في شوارع فيرغسون بانتظار االقرار.
one of those included a news story w/video w/MLK in the background. another from link to altagreer.com ran down a list of countries on the reaction including china, iran, spain and many more and this is what it said about the middle east (google translate):
Spread the story of the protests in the United States on the front pages of several Arab newspapers also. In Egypt, Al-Wafd newspaper concluded to put under the title: “uprising against racism in the United States.”
While the Qatari Al-Watan newspaper said that cities in the United States are now condemning the “murderous racism,” The newspaper official Syrian Revolution that protests against police violence and racism were on the rise in the United States.
none of the articles made the points you have made. all if them showed solidarity w/the people (except israel who defending the states actions).
if you want to win arguments by omission by formulating questions for other to address, i won’t be playing.
like reggie bush said, this is a global problem.
Back in August 15, 2014, many Palestinian leaders did in fact express “solidarity with the people of Ferguson”:
Palestinians express “solidarity with the people of Ferguson” in Mike Brown statement link to electronicintifada.net
Perhaps they still feel that way after the grand jury decision and the latest riots — in which the main problem was not police brutality, but the lack of police presence.
If they do, they will have handed Republicans a major political opportunity to exploit. Palestinians are not likely to advance their cause in the United States by becoming entangled in problematic controversies like Ferguson.
Dr. al-Aloul stopped speaking to the press after his initial comments to Ma’an. His initial comments shows he disagreed with the autopsy’s conclusions, but the Israeli doctors say he changed his mind after the autopsy concluded, and concurred at the time. Dr. al-Aloul had made no comment on that matter.
No wonder the US voted against the anti- Nazi resolution.
‘Yikes’ about covers it.
thanks for that.
If a plurality of JEWS can’t bring themselves to recognize Israel as “the Jewish State,” how can the Palestinians be expected to do so (to the point of failure of the cherished, yet chimeric/ever-just-out-of-reach dream of a two-state outcome).
Hello Beltway types. Look at the gaping chasm separating the PR and the reality of what is going on in Palestine. To put it politely, start making sense. Stop making decisions and strategy based on the PR.
So much diplomatic energy knowingly wasted [on doing Israel’s intentionally-conflicted bidding].
Among (obviously) living Palestinian thought leaders, political leaders and media outlets have you noticed much interest in yoking the Palestinian cause to Michael Brown and his more excited supporters? — like his stepfather, who called for burning this motherfucker and bitch (Ferguson) down?
It’s not a rhetorical question — it’s a real question — I haven’t noticed any sentiment that way on the Internet, but I may have overlooked it. My personal opinion is that Palestinians would spot the pitfalls of going down that road immediately — it would stand a good chance of backfiring among most Americans — including many or most thought leaders in the African-American community — who strongly condemn street violence, both criminal and political. The Michael Brown case is a mess from the standpoint of developing clear and winning pro-Palestinian political themes.
The main beneficiary of events in Ferguson may well be the Republican Party — continuing all the way into 2016 and the next presidential election. That’s my read. The Republicans will turn this into a generalized culture war — not a white/black economic war — enlisting quite a few prominent African-Americans on their side. Are you on side of civilization or chaos? — that will be the predictable line — and it will probably gain some significant traction. We will be squarely into neoconservative Clash of Civilizations territory.
Then there was this:
“Just days after her 90th birthday, Holocaust survivor Hedy Epstein was arrested Monday in St. Louis when she was part of a protest outside Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon’s office. Epstein was born in Germany and left in 1939 on a Kindertransport to England. Her parents died in Auschwitz. Epstein is a co-founder of the St. Louis Palestine Solidarity Committee and St. Louis branch of Jewish Voice for Peace. In 2011, she was part of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla and was a passenger on the U.S.-flagged ship, The Audacity of Hope. Over the years, she has made many solidarity trips to the West Bank. Epstein criticizes the police handling of protests in Ferguson. “It’s the same kind of violence that I’ve observed when I was in the Israeli-occupied Palestine,” Epstein says. “I know what it feels like to be discriminated against, to be oppressed, and I can’t stand idly by when I see there are problems.””
False claims? Of what do you speak?
(Hophmi’s bonus hidden thesis = The American Jews are the underdogs in this. Hilarious.)
I bitch about this every February, and there’s really no alternative to vote for to change it, since most every congress-critter is in on the con.
Talk about taxation without representation . . .
Remember, Black Friday isn’t Columbus Day as one might expect, but the biggest retail day in America. As a nation, we’ve got a lot of growing up to do.
and by the way, what you call an “information campaign” is a slander. the solidarity between palestinian activists and people on the ground in ferguson came out immediately and naturally because of the tactics and weapons being used against the people of ferguson that night, and because of social media the struggles and connections between the people/activists had already been established. because people who care about human rights already had “friended” eachother. what you reduce to an “information campaign” began by palestinians advising people on thee streets how best to fend off tear gas and such and a natural affinity by some people to support those being oppressed. all one needs to do is look at the photographs and actions of the struggles. and how many here advocate killing children for shoplifting!!! i can’t believe i am even hearing that. (i was the best shoplifter in my adolescence!) and you’re calling mike brown a thug? if he were my size with my skin color would you dare? seriously, disgust!
i can no longer comment on this thread. seeing the solidarity here for the killer, the executioner is just more than i can bare.
” it is about a war machine. It is us against the motherfucking machine.””
Guess God controls the economy, too.
I’ve seen calculation & craftiness out of Cruz. Still waiting on evidence of the intelligence part.
Point taken, but at the end of the day, still two peas in pretty much the same lousy pod, IMO.
How many Palestinian leaders are interested in using the events surrounding Michael Brown and Ferguson as part of the information campaign to further their political struggle against Israel?
sean, this self serving habit of yours that you use repeatedly by implying other people agree with you, especially those in authority, is transparent bullshit. especially when so many “palestinian leaders” have either been executed, imprisoned, or otherwise silenced. FYI, Hamde Abu Rahma is a leader, you just fail to recognize that.
your opinion on this matter disgusts and shames me as an american and as a human being.
If the world you want to live in allows police and military extrajudicial murders with impunity you better watch what you wish for Jackdaw. You better hope you never piss off the cop with an itchy trigger finger who’ll claim you resisted or were threatening (I know, funny, imagine anyone being threatened by you!).
In news of the weird – off topic kinda sorta –
“White supremacy is the old Klan. This is the new Klan,” KKK member John Albarr says.
A faction of the Christian-terrorist group the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), will now open its membership to Jews, African Americans, Hispanics and gay people.
The notoriously racist white-supremacist group has decided to undergo a re-branding to expand its reach and mission. They will leave behind their legacy of burning crosses, lynching African Americans and committing other horrific racist attacks.
The new, more expansive group, known as “The Rocky Mountain Knights,” is meant to be a subsection of the KKK, based in Montana in the United States.
John Albarr, a KKK member from Great Falls, Montana, spearheaded the re-branding effort after reportedly having discussions with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). His goal is that the new group will help to create a stronger and better America.
“White supremacy is the old Klan. This is the new Klan,” Albarr said, adding: “It thought it was a really good organization. I don’t feel we need to be separate.”
Despite this supposed re-branding, all members of Albarr’s “Rocky Mountain Knights” will have to wear the KKK’s traditional white robes, masks, and pointed hats– a uniform that historically conjured images of hate, persecution and terror.
It is unclear how many members this new sect of the KKK has.
In 2011, Abarr attempted to run for the Montana seat in the US House of Representatives as a Republican, with the goal of “saving the White race” on his manifesto. As a result, Albarr was denounced by other mainstream Republicans for his racist attitudes and political views.
The KKK is a protestant Christian organization considered to have an extreme right-wing political stance. It is classified as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League.
When the KKK was first founded in 1865, after the American Civil War, they called for the purification of society and the elimination of non-white races.
Today the Klan doesn’t have as much influence in American society as it used to, but is estimated that more than 5,000 Americans claim membership to about 150 different Klan groups in the United States.
“A faction of the Christian-terrorist group the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), will now open its membership to Jews, African Americans, Hispanics and gay people.” Yes, I was wondering when they were going to include the people they have historically hunted down, mutilated, and lynched to be in their numbers. Maybe this is a cute way of saying the Ku Klux Klan is officially in the dustbin of history. Yikes.
of course it’s a possibility! Obama has the opportunity to overturn this travesty of justice once and for all. many presidents grant presidential pardons when they leaves office. i’ve written him many times about it.
This is travesty of American criminal justice. I don’t think American citizens understand that this effects all of us and the world that believes in the American criminal justice system. Anyone in any court in America now risks being convicted based on the opinion of someone who claims to be an expert without any opportunity to cross examine that person because everything about that so-called expert can remain secret. The right to Confrontation, so long enshrined in our justice system, died today.
Their imprisonment for more than eight years is an absolute travesty. From secret evidence, to anonymous expert testimony, the prosecution made the Holy Land Five an example of the political climate, rather than trying them for their actions—sending contributions to the same legal zakat committees that also received funds from USAID. Furthermore USAID continued to fund those same zakat charities for an entire year after the U.S. government shut down the HLF. In light this double standard, there is nothing in this case to reassure Americans about the state of our government or our protections under its laws.
more here: link to google.com
>> OlegR: If you want to play with timelines are you sure it all didn’t start with the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens ?
Going back to the time the rapist abducted his victim off the street is always inconvenient for Zio-supremacists, so they prefer to stop instead at the time she – months after being chained in his basement – slashed at him with a shiv. (That ungrateful woman!)
How many Palestinian leaders are interested in using the events surrounding Michael Brown and Ferguson as part of the information campaign to further their political struggle against Israel? Do they view Michael Brown as a hero and a martyr? Do they believe that arson, looting and vandalism committed against their own neighborhoods would be an effective form of political protest? Do they even believe that Darren Wilson is a homicidal racist who should be charged with murder in cold blood?
Seriously — please keep us informed — there may be some Palestinian leaders out there who are on the same page as you with regard to the wisdom of milking Brown and Ferguson for pro-Palestinian political operations — but my impression is that they are too smart to do so.
There are many clear-cut cases out there of crimes committed by white cops against innocent black kids with an obvious racist agenda. Why not focus on those cases if one is trying to move the political needle on these issues? The Michael Brown/Ferguson situation is too problematic to use effectively as “a teaching moment.”
It’s been proven beyond reasonable doubt that Brown charged Wilson head-first like a bull when he was shot.
why are you pretending there was a trial when there was not?
it was wilson who was charging! answer this, “Why exactly did the police lie for 108 days about how far Mike Brown ran from Darren Wilson?”
The lead detective in the case saying he walked “50 times” back and forth from the SUV to Mike Brown’s body, stated to the grand jury that he measured from Darren Wilson’s SUV window to Mike Brown’s feet and that it was actually 160 feet, 4 inches.
The thing is, though, I don’t really see any of this as vindication. The police still lied about it for 108 days, and they absolutely refused to clarify it for the media as they advanced the lie on their own behalf. The grand jury documents revealed that the medical examiner who arrived on the crime scene didn’t even bother to take measurements or photos because he, literally, thought it didn’t matter.
In his new interview on ABC, both Wilson and his interviewer, George Stephanopoulus, continued to advance the lie that Brown ran just 35 feet away. See them do so starting at 3:40 in the video below.
Again, Wilson continues to advance the lie because it supports his narrative. If Brown ran half a football field away, it suggests so much more to us than the mental image of his barely making it 10 yards before he, as Wilson suggests, turns around in a demonic rage, and then runs into a hail of gunfire from Wilson’s semi-automatic pistol.
Yes, hypothetically stealing a candy bar is a trial-free capital crime. As is moving toward an arresting officer with your hands in the air.
In Palestine it’s walking on the wrong side of the street (or the wrong street), or collecting debris where there’s a bored (or pissed off, or insert adjective here) sniper twitching restlessly.
Got it. Your perfect world, and the rules under which you want the rest of us to live.
That’s the imperative of equating Ferguson to Palestine. Nobody wants to live in Jackdaw world, but that’s the direction we’re heading unless something changes. Quickly.
As to the he was no angel meme Tim Wise puts himself on the line
That’s the refrain, repeated for over two months on social media by defenders of Officer Darren Wilson, convinced that Michael Brown was little more than a violent and dangerous thug, worthy of death that August day in Ferguson.
From the beginning, Brown’s strong-arm theft of cigars from a local market was used by Wilson’s supporters as justification for whatever happened to him. “Thieves deserve their fate,” came the refrain from many a (mostly white) Facebook feed—this, from persons who have never openly advocated death for, say, Wall Street bankers who stole a lot more than Swisher Sweets. Nor have they likely ever contemplated what such a maxim might suggest about the merited destinies of their own white ancestors, for whom theft of land and the labor of others was central to the development of the very country those same commentators now call home.
“He had weed in his system,” cried others, suggesting that marijuana use either justifies being shot by a cop, or at the very least might explain his “aggressive behavior” towards Officer Wilson—the kind of thing that could only be said by someone who had never smoked much weed. Attacking police officers is, as a general rule, the last thing on your mind when you’re high.
Annie, OlegR has enabled me to finally come to a conclusion on a religious problem which has troubled me all my life. But now I can set my mind at ease, the Zionist God must be a women, a Goddess. That’s why their prayers always begin with ‘Mommmeeee, he started it‘.
God, is that even a possibility?!! Even if it’s ONLY a possibility, you just made my Thanksgiving!
What a govt-wide, both feet over the cliff, security-state freefall, railroad job.
Thanks the thought, Annie!
Putting the Palestinians aside for a super-brief moment during for this year’s colonialist celebration, Katie also raised the important issue of injustices committed against the Amerindians. If Americans can’t be bothered what their ancestors did, how are they to care about the Palestinians?
Sounds like the Boobi is slowly but surely making Israel look an apartheid and racist nation, and that it is isolating itself from the outside world, and making their own people question his sanity.
A message from the beloved leader
“Some progressives have rallied behind Michael Brown without doing much critical thinking”
When “progressives” engage in critical thought they come up with a concatenation of right wing talking points?
” Serious Palestinian Activists” is comedy gold, unlike the weekenders pictured above I suppose?
“Not smart from the point of view of practical politics” stop man you are a tragedy, while we may well be playing checkers it seems you are struggling with tic tac toe.
There has always been a religious element in this dreadful mix, in that political claims are often justified on the Israeli side by appeal to religious authority and by the claim to divine donation. This claim can be disowned with a quiet smile, treated as an optional extra to a case already made or asserted with passionate intensity but it is and always has been there. The other side does not so much say that Palestine is theirs by a special divine decree – and I can remember when stories of PLO hijackings might feature women who made a point of mocking Jewish religious symbols without showing any commitment to Islam. But increasingly, since the sharp decline of Nasserism and Marxism, religion has been important in creating – or in attempts to create – unity and activism in opposition to Israel. The importance of religion has not come by a sudden mutation but by a rather inexorable process.
“It’s Jewish student organizations above anyone else who’ve tried to create this “Jews are attached to Israel and absolutely Zionist” idea.”
For that they go to college?
” I quickly realized I knew more about the book than they did, even though I wasn’t the Christian, they were.”
Well, Horizontal, if that didn’t teach you to stay away from it, nothing will.
Do what I do, use a searchable Bible on the web when Scriptural erudition is required, otherwise, leave it where Gideon left it, “no doubt, to help with good Rocky’s revival”, as the song says.
marnie, my hunch is that ‘respectful’ centers around ideas like “both sides” (creating equanimity thru acknowledging each others right to be fearful and how using words like apartheid and genocide hurts zionist students and how everyone needs to recognize israel is the homeland for these jewish students yada yada bds is hateful, inciteful yada yada and in turn the jewish students (who really want peace too but israel should be able to defend itself from radical islam) feel and understand the pain palestinians are going thru because they too were refuges and so likewise palestinians can reciprocate by feeling and understanding the zionist students pain kumbaya and stuff like that) boring.
meanwhile, there’s a movement building to boycott divest and sanction israel for crimes against humanity and since our government keeps shoveling money into the apartheid system it’s the people who need to join together to stop this machine of oppressions.
so, under those circumstances, who has time to assuage the pain of the pro-oppressor and the guilt that comes with that? both sides? pff. isolate the ideology of systematic racism and oppression [inherent in colonialism] and then normalize that isolation, not the opposite.
“With drought in California, the Olglala aquifer slowly running down, fertiliser runoff messing up the Gulf of Mexico and the Arctic Vortex to come this winter”
Whoa! I thought you were doing a “Up on Cripple Creek” parody for a second there.
“The main reason why Jews enjoy special privileges and protections in the Western world is not because they are “white”, but because they have power.”
The power of Jewishness! Everything will fall beneath its harrow! Hit ‘em with the 1000 lb. knish!
Gee, could you tell us what this “power, which other former victim groups do not have” consists of? I’d like to go and get some. Where is it to be found?
“Germany is no more than any other western (post-)capitalistic country “paranoid”.”
Germany is “(post-)capitalistic”? I did not know that.
It’s a wonder, alright.
The Jewish Theological seminary hopes the 1970 Olympics are a success .
And wonders what space travel will look like in 2001 AD.
Jewish students want to discuss the Israel-Palestine conflict, she said. “But it is an issue we want to discuss respectfully and without polarizing” Translation: We talk, you sit there and take it and if you raise your voice that will be taken as hostilities and be prepared to be fired upon (with words y’ know, because we’re really peace-loving folks).
“Refusal to engage in a dialogue is a sign of closed-mind fanaticism.”
It sounds a lot more like they were just not that into you or to have preconditions for a conversation. I mean, this is in america, not israel. Oh who am I kidding, if it were in israel the SJP folks would be getting arrested for “incitement”.
“What is the job, the duty, of the elites in a society apart from attaining power?”
Just pay close attention to the attitudes and rhetoric of the trolls here, and you can see exactly what an elite expects of itself, and others.
thanks marnie. it’s embarrassing to me how many people here are supporting this system of oppression. words cannot express my shame.
“There are no actual laws in the US that specifically protect the Jews.”
Walid, you could have least let my hope for a while. I thought I had it made!
But I guess that’s my lot, I’m never a protected species, any way you look at it. It’s always open season on me.
>> JeffB: Is all PETA? activism being conducted by livestock? If it isn’t why the anti-bovine conflation of cows with PETA?
If one attempts to suppress pro-PETA activism, one harasses PETA members, not cows or hippies or Jews.
Similarly, if one attempts to suppress pro-Israel activism, one harasses pro-Israel students, not Jews.
To suggest that only Jews are pro-Israel is to be anti-Semitic.
Even hillel admits they serve only about 1/2 the jewish kids on this one campus
So what? I wasn’t active in Hillel when I went to college or graduate school.
– See more at: link to mondoweiss.net
so what? the so what means this has nothing to do w/an “anti-Jewish “movement, something you refuse to acknowledge. your entire shpeel up there is prefaced around “anti-Jewish “. it’s completely irrelevant whether you were or were not active in hillel. what is relevant is the voice of movement and what they are saying and what they are opposing, something you evade and divert for your own safety to hide behind a crutch of victimhood or to shield those you which to defend w/the crutch of the anti semitism accusation and you do that by claiming your ideological opponents are against jews when the reality that lots of jewish kids are not zionistists and hillel, as a zionist organization, does not represent them.
you wish it was anti jewish because then you could claim it’s a racist movement. that is a crutch. so your whole ‘let’s pretend there are “widespread anti-Jewish demonstrations” ‘ is a bunch of bull.
You need to separate:
a) Civilians are not being bombed
b) Civilians are being bombed but you fully approve of the reasons they are being bombed.
– See more at: link to mondoweiss.net
no, you need to separate:
a) providing a source for your allegations
b) doubling down on those allegations sans any evidence/source/argument and then claiming your opponent approves of that which you’ve not shown
and quit spamming the threads with your illogical allegations and accusations.
Very well said Sean, your entire comment hit the nail right on the head. A very poor comparison indeed
Of course some people speak English in Mississippi. Do you have any trouble understanding a single word they say?
MARC B- “…it’s a crude measure, but anyone with ivy links should be presumed to be corrupt.”
Shall we include Phil? Well, at least he is not a lawyer!
Nice to see you again, K Renner.
If you don’t click those links, check your pulse, you may have already passed.
“As a Palestinian I’d be ashamed that my plight got equated to that of a thug who robbed a store, physically assaulted a police officer while trying to grab his gun and then got shot in the process.”
Typical racist bullshit. Young black men in america are expendable and it’s always their fault, right? BTW, if you were a Palestinian, no one would give a damn what you thought . You all are so typical. Any support shown for Palestinians, anything that humanizes them, shows solidarity with them, you all go CRAZY. You talking about thugs? Look in the mirror and study your reflection if you can stomach it. Zionists are nothing but racists, your interest in this story is just another opportunity to spout your propaganda. Your phony concern about Palestinians is disgusting. You call compassion and empathy looking ridiculous? You should be ashamed.
“… the rest of the world… ”
Just, there is no rest of the world, it’s all about the US and strictly the US. And since the US is indifferent to whatever Israel does to the Palestinians, the rest of the world goes along and nothing could get in Israel’s way except for a third intifada, but the PA took good care of that, voilà!
And one of my personal favorites:
“Let’s go home on the morning train!
Let’s go home on the morning train!
The evening train my be too late.
Let’s go home on the morning train.
One of these old days,
We;re gonna ride that morning train.
We’re going all the way.
All the way from earth to glory!
We’re going where the wicked will cease from troublin’,
And the weary will be at rest.
“The Jewish Theological Seminary in New York has come out against Israel’s proposed nation-state bill, which would enshrine into law Israel’s status as Jewish state.
In a written statement Wednesday, Arnold Eisen, chancellor of Conservative Jewry’s flagship seminary, said that JTS was “alarmed” by the Knesset’s consideration of the bill.
“We hope that the State’s lawmakers will have the wisdom to affirm Israel’s character as a democratic Jewish State in a way that does not relegate Israeli Arabs and other minorities to second-class status,” Eisen said.”
Sorry, Eisen. The cat is out of the bag.
Blumenthal”, who is (or claims to be) “Jewish” (which has no meaning in a secular sense, is in fact Zionism).
you mean jewish has no meaning, to you, outside of a system of spiritual/religious belief? and why say “is in fact zionism” when many people who are jewish don’t appear to recognize jewish as “a people” or as “a nation”. your definition is to confining. i don’t think there is consensus on what a jew is, and i really don’t understand the point of saying max “claims” to be jewish. and why the quote marks around jewish?
speaking for yourself is one thing, but throwing around the term “the fact” into when sharing controversial opinions as you’ve done strikes me as a bit self aggrandizing. especially when opinionating on someone else’s self definition.
This Jew is Ashamed as well Seafold.
Much respect to Bush for having the courage to speak out.
Wow … Someone doing good under the Bush name…
Who would have thought!
I thought there was a bit of irony there. Anyway, did I ever tell you what I said (this was a long time ago, when I was still clever, and horny, or at least I thought so) when I pretty girl asked me what my religion is? I said “Now that we’ve met, I might convert, and become you-ish!”
She turned to her girlfriend, and said, “Forget about this one, he’s into sheep”
Just like the “peace talks”.
Ari Shavit has, too. In today’s Haaretz. I don’t agree with the uber Zionist, but he holds sway over a bunch of numbskulls.
“Never has there been such a comprehensive, serious and profound offensive on Zionism.
The Jewish nation-state law? This is an anti-Zionist law that shatters the complex, delicate, vital idea of a Jewish democratic state. When the Jewish element of our life is placed above the democratic one, they both vaporize. In the 21st century there’s no Jewish state that isn’t democratic, and in the Middle East there’s no democratic state that isn’t Jewish.
But the band of fools who took over the 19th Knesset and 33rd government insists of blurring the contrast. In the most sensitive period of our history they are trying to turn us into an inseparable part of a tribal, nationalist, messianic, violent region.
The new anti-Zionists who have taken over our government and Knesset are undermining Israel’s foundations, setting Jerusalem on fire and bringing disaster upon us.”
(it’s a premium article, so I linked to TPP so people can read it…)
All I can say is that it’s probably best that Israel declares itself for what it isn’t~ a democracy. This should dispel all of the lies that Israel has put forth with the support of USA.
“You’ve put that phrase in exclamation marks as if it was cut and pasted or quoted from somewhere else.”
Ah, Bornajoo, you are being introduced to one of the strangest relationships I have ever seen. The relationship Zionists have with quote marks.
I’ve never been able to figure it out.
thank you so much for commenting Jim. and a big thank you and your wife Edie for becoming engaged, active and adding your voice in this crucial struggle for freedom and justice. there was a time, most of my life actually, where i too was completely unaware. in fact i didn’t even know palestinians even existed. together we can change things. wishing you and your family a wonderful thanksgiving, and thanks again for commenting today. come back and visit us and i hope you comment more often.
Meanwhile Simon Peres comes out against Boobi’s apartheid policy bill:
“Former President Shimon Peres on Thursday came out against the Jewish nation-state bill, calling it an attempt to “subjugate the Declaration of Independence to fleeting political needs.”
Peres attended a memorial service honoring Israel’s first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, at his home and burial place, the Negev kibbutz of Sde Boker. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and current President Reuven Rivlin also attended the commemoration.”
“The nation-state bill could rattle the nation and destroy Israel’s democratic status at home and abroad,” Peres said. “Ben-Gurion’s voice demands that we be what Israel was meant to be – a model state that is sane and enlightened, and seeks justice, equality and peace.”
If there ever was a medal for a moron who keeps ignoring advice, it should be given to dear Chickenshit Boobi.
From Occupation to “Occupy”: The Israelification of American Domestic Security
“America’s Israel lobby exploited the climate of hysteria, providing thousands of top cops with all-expenses paid trips to Israel and stateside training sessions with Israeli military and intelligence officials. By now, police chiefs of major American cities who have not been on junkets to Israel are the exception.
“Israel is the Harvard of antiterrorism,” said former US Capitol Police Chief Terrance W. Gainer, who now serves as the US Senate Sergeant-at-Arms. Cathy Lanier, the Chief of the Washington DC Metropolitan Police, remarked, “No experience in my life has had more of an impact on doing my job than going to Israel.” “One would say it is the front line,” Barnett Jones, the police chief of Ann Arbor, Michigan, said of Israel. “We’re in a global war.”
Karen Greenberg, the director of Fordham School of Law’s Center on National Security and a leading expert on terror and civil liberties, said the Israeli influence on American law enforcement is so extensive it has bled into street-level police conduct. “After 9/11 we reached out to the Israelis on many fronts and one of those fronts was torture,” Greenberg told me. “The training in Iraq and Afghanistan on torture was Israeli training. There’s been a huge downside to taking our cue from the Israelis and now we’re going to spread that into the fabric of everyday American life? It’s counter-terrorism creep. And it’s exactly what you could have predicted would have happened.” “
Funny, take the word Brown and insert it with any Palestinian person, or even the activists who died in the flotilla massacre, and it could be the same lame response from Israel.
Blame the victim always, zio style.
you think he’s wrong?
Prof. Uzi Rabi, director of the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern Studies at Tel Aviv University and a member of MESA, said the resolution would mark a precedent.
“I hope I am proven wrong,” Rabi said, “but this is a game changer, and from my perspective it does not look good.”
Most Americans strongly disapprove of strong arm robberies, the bullying and intimidation of store clerks, punching police officers, trying to wrestle guns from police officers, arson, looting, vandalism, incitement to “burn this motherfucker down” and “burn this bitch down” (Michael Brown’s stepfather egging on the rioters in Ferguson), etc. Associating Michael Brown with righteous human rights activism and the Palestinian cause would be a political mistake, in my opinion — one which would play right into hands of neoconservative and Fox News propagandists.
Some progressives have rallied behind Michael Brown without doing much critical thinking. The minute that video of Brown physically bullying and intimidating a much smaller store clerk in the act of a strong arm robbery was released, Brown was politically damaged goods. That is the reality. One strongly doubts that serious Palestinian activists want to be linked in the public mind with that kind of criminal and antisocial behavior. And have there ever been instances in which any Palestinians have destroyed their own neighborhoods as a form of political demonstration?
The results of the grand jury proceedings were the final nail in the coffin in terms of portraying Brown is an innocent and sweet boy who was murdered by an evil racist cop with no provocation. Darren Wilson in that George Stephanopoulos interview didn’t come across as a racist thug — quite the opposite. Brown, on the other hand, was unquestionably a thug — the convenience store video made that clear.
One needs to build political and social movements on strong foundations — otherwise they collapse.
Comparing the plight of Palestinians under Israeli occupation to the status of African-Americans in the United States is not persuasive. Can one picture a Palestinian ever becoming an Israeli prime minister, as Barack Obama has become an American president? It will never happen for fundamental structural reasons in Zionist ideology.
There are major problems in American society with regard to how many police departments treat African-Americans, but the Michael Brown shooting is a poor case on which to address and remedy this issue. Not smart from the standpoint of effective practical politics.
One of the boasts that Israel often made after the wall went up was that there was no trouble in Occupied Jerusalem. Their divide and conquer policy of cantonment – there are so many islands of Palestinians now- gave them that assurance. and they were so sure that the carrots of Jerusalem residence and social benefits would keep trouble to a minimum.
And now they have no idea what to do. Their undivided city- the tram stops in Beit Hanina and Shuafat are shut.
They can’t send in the DF- as they would in the west Bank- because it would hurt tourism. Jerusalem is already a poor city. The output per Haredi is very low, you know.
Reality vs the bot memes- reality wins every time
To illustrate this shoot kill policy watch that popular Swat Team show on TV–cant think of the name of it.
I happened to see one segment which illustrates this perfectly. The situation was a teenage girl on a rooftop standing between her mother and father and pointing a gun at her father who had almost beat her mother to death.
The swat team was called in to this standoff—-so what did the sharp shooters who supposedly were so good they could shoot the wings off a fly with their pin point targeting do?
When the girl wouldn’t put the gun down they shot her dead.
No judgement calls, no moral calls, no forward thinking at all—–like robots they followed their training to kill dead– not disable with their sharp shooter skills—- but kill fucking dead the person who has the gun, whether that person is the real criminal or not.
Count me in your prayer circle, Annie.
Looking forward to comments on this by President Abbas.
or the cold blooded murder of 2 palestinian teens by a sniper on may 14th.
my prayers today are for a presidential pardon for the holy land 5.
“Apparently, Gaza is in further extremis with the horrible weather and thanks to the ‘international community’. ”
And certain Jews in certain universities “don’t feel safe” when this sort of thing comes up. Done for them, by “their people” and they don’t say anything.
IMO people are missing the crux of the problem.
In cases like Mike Brown and 400 other similar cases it is not a question of whether or not the victim was entirely innocent of anything or guilty of some crime or not.
Its about the police mentality and policy of *SHOOT TO KILL*—–every time, all the time, regardless of the circumstances, kill first, ask questions later.
Our Police Departments are loose cannons who now consider themselves part of the elite authority with a license to kill at any challenge to their authority—-no* judgement* is exercised —-a 12 year with a toy gun gets the same ‘shoot to kill ‘ treatment as a drug gang member shooting it out with the police.
They operate Exactly like the IDF in Palestine.
Steal merchandise from a shop owner.
Punch a cop in the face and try to take his weapon.
Run away from the pursuing police officer and than move back at the armed officer.
Aren’t we asking a real lot from this officer, who, by the way, is out fighting crime daily and cleaning up after our mistakes and accidents?
Had Mr. Brown ANY responsibility?
O/T, but related to legendary Israeli lies, aka how come I don’t believe a word of this?
“JERUSALEM (AFP) — Israeli security services on Thursday claimed that they had thwarted a planned attack by the Palestinian group Hamas on Jerusalem’s biggest football stadium, arresting 30 suspected militants commanded from Turkey.
The 30 suspects, reportedly members of a West Bank-based network, were detained in September, domestic security service Shin Bet said after lifting a gag order on the operation.
Aged 23 to 30, the Shin Bet said they were recruited from Jordan, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and Syria, by Hamas commanders based in Turkey.
Their orders allegedly included attacking the Teddy Stadium home to the Beitar Jerusalem club, whose supporters are known for their racist and anti-Arab sentiments.
Jerusalem’s light railway, which links Jewish settlements in occupied Arab East Jerusalem to the Jewish city center, was also on a list of potential targets, Shin Bet said.
No details were given on the types of attacks planned, or the fate of the suspects.”
It’s the economy. stupid Imhofe
Climate change made its first appearance before Wall St in Quarter 1 2014, when US GDP dipped by an annualized 3% due to one of the country’s worst winters on record. It was the first dip since Q1 2011 and was not related to the usual lags to the domestic economy.
Finally, a Bush I actually enjoy hearing from.
Anything that makes the Palestinians real and human terrorizes the Zionist establishment. We know it and they know it. When more people get how vile they truly are, the jig will indeed be up, and all the money in the world won’t be able to stop it.
Foxman has a very Jurassic Park feel about him these days.
November 27, 2014, 7:35 am
Looking thru your other comments I think you are a sock puppet.
So far on here you have admired Netanyahu for protecting ‘his people’, condemned SA blacks, agreed that racial profiling works on Arabs because they are likely to be terrorist, whined about Wilson being criticized just because ‘he’s white’, ……and made the idiotic statement that the grand jury presentation was legitimate when even respected criminal defense attorneys say the DA “prosecutor’s” presentation was a ‘defense of Wilson’ was just that—–NOT a presentation of what might have been wrong about Wilson’s actions which is what a ‘prosecutor’s’ Job ‘ is.
You’re a phoney. Your comments add up to a anglo supremest sock puppet who dislikes Jews and brown/black people equally.
With so many American cops being trained by the Israelis, what else can you expect?
I feel uncomfortable that my tax dollars are helping in the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. I feel threatened and unsafe that the Zionist foreign policy is creating so many people that will want to strike back,
So Brown, having been shot already in the struggle at the car (as proved by the blood evidence), runs from the armed cop who pursues him. He does not stop and put his arms up as several witnesses testified, but instead decided to stop fleeing and turn around and charge the officer. Apparently so angry he put his arms up in the air such that several bullets struck him on the inside of his arms. So yes, it has definitely been “proven beyond reasonable doubt that Brown charged Wilson head-first like a bull”. I like the way you worked in the Brown is an animal meme by calling him a bull.
Somehow I suspect you are on the side of Israel. I would hate to think someone like you could possibly be enlightened enough to support the oppressed Palestinians
The pathologist confirmed that he worded his report without being “under pressure.”
Is there any proof that Dr. al-Aloul actually did agree with the findings of the autopsy done in Israel?
According to the linked story,. . . Israeli medical professionals at Abu Kabir hospital in Jerusalem where the exam took place, Palestinian pathologist Dr. Saber al-Aloul agreed with their analysis that the death was self-inflicted.” So is this just their word against his?
It would seem to be easily resolved by showing the facts of the case to a team of neutral professionals and seeing if anyone else can see what Dr. al-Aloul saw. But then again, we’re dealing with Israel trying to keep a lid on things, so that’s not likely to happen.
The tragedy here is multiple: a murderer or murderers are walking around free and unpunished, and the case is used as an excuse to clamp down further on Palestinians’ right to decent treatment under the law. In some strange way, this strikes me as a monster version of what Ms. Hannink is attempting to do with the Zionist poster on the campus of Wellesley.
I hope this story makes its way to Sen. Warren, no doubt basking in the Jordan by now, enjoying everything that her famous “liberal democracy” has to offer. But I guess that’s not likely to happen, either.
ADL did serious and important work in its early decades of existance.
Today it isn’t just an organization that isn’t about civil rights, it’s an organization that actively promotes Jewish supremacism abroad and maintains White supremacism at home. “This isn’t about racism”. Seriously.
Blumenthal is correct when saying that many of these Zionist groups act as conduits of White supremacist ideas in our culture. This is a great example.
Horizontal, Inhofe is a simpleton, Cruz isn’t a simpleton; he is an extremist. Although an intelligent one. Which makes him much more dangerous than Inhofe.
For their convenience, they have turned it into some kind of religious war, when it really is not.
Good points Just. In reality it is a resistance to the occupation, land grabs, and the collective punishment, but millions must have been poured in to train the mindless hasbara to spew the false narrative, that it is a religious war against the poor Jews.
They have a sadistic trait in them, to keep treating these poor people like dirt, and make their hopeless lives a living hell. Chickenshit Yahu is not fooling anyone, even the US, but gets away with murder by using that victim card, and shuts those who condemn the crimes by yelling “anti-semitism”. Time the world stopped getting intimidated by that, especially when it is not true.
Time the world sent the message to Israel that criticizing it’s terrible treatment of the Palestinians, which results in massacres is NOT antisemitism.
If ‘incitement is a crime punishable with a prison sentence in Israel’, then many in the GoI, starting with Netanyahu, should be in prison.
Great minds think alike. I had the exact same reaction as I read that line. You beat me to it.
I’ve said this elsewhere: Simpletons like Inhofe and Cruz don’t just wander in off the street; they are elected by hundreds of thousands of American voters who apparently share their particular brand of cranial numbness. And you can be sure that they also for the most part buy into a large amount of Zionist BS, loaded as it is with Islamophobia, fear of the other, and “Let’s Build a Landing Strip for Jesus” messaging. That’s too tempting a package of goodies to pass up.
Add in a little greed and a hatred of science, and you’ve got one of our major parties pretty much nailed.
But today is Thanksgiving, and instead of focusing on the turkeys, let’s remember what we’re thankful for: among other things, Mondoweiss, and its messages of hope hidden among the outrages and calamities. It’s a fun, sane and enlightening place to be, with so many contributors who not only make me think, but feel. So thank you every one.
And Katie, thank you posting your historical awakening. You remind me that change is always possible at any step along the way and that life itself is a journey to be enjoyed. The links are great.
“How Germany is Using ‘Anti-Semitism’ to Shut Down Israel Criticism | Interview with Max Blumenthal”
video of interview with Abby Martin, published 11/26/14
>> OyVey00: As a Palestinian I’d be ashamed that my plight got equated to that of a thug who robbed a store, physically assaulted a police officer while trying to grab his gun and then got shot in the process.
>> seafood: As a Jew I’d be ashamed to be associated with Israel.
As a Jew, I’d be ashamed to be associated with a self-proclaimed and proudly religion-supremacist “Jewish State” that flouts international law and, for over 60 years, has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians.
good point, seafoid.