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@ DoubleStandard “Funny. They look whiter than most Israelis. A lot whiter, really”
Yes. There’s a lot of Arab blood in Israelis, even Jewish Israelis link to wp.me
“Certainly upends the “evil white colonizer” versus “poor brown victim” paradigm”
Two out of millions … Uh huh
“This must be disappointing to their many fans around the world!”
To a moron who thinks two out of millions is significant
Just read an email message and watched a clip of Allison Weir’s ( from If Americans Knew) response to Max Blumenthal’s verbal undermining of one of Allison’s talk and her work. That is sure disappointing.
What is up with this division going on? Not that everyone has to be on same page. However seems like a concerted effort going on by some to take Allison and her work down. Not going to happen. She has lots of support and has done amazing work long before some of these newer folks have jumped on this wagon.
“But hook nosed Jew characters …”
Why should I feel bad about being “hook nosed” (there are more polite expressions, by the way)? Why is it a negative stereotype that many Jews do not resemble Nordics? So are money a negative connotation? It is pure whining. And it is not particularly innocent whining, as you can see in pretty hateful comments. The general spirit is “everybody hates us, lets hate everybody”, including Obama, of course.
■ Sign the petition – Tell Senator Chuck Schumer: “Don’t lead Senate Democrats into war with Iran.”
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Sen. Chuck Schumer: Wrong on Iraq, wrong on Iran, wrong for Senate Democratic leadership
Starting a war with Iran is apparently the top legislative priority for the next leader of the Senate Democratic caucus.
Recently, New York Senator Chuck Schumer publicly declared that he will vote to kill the historic Iran nuclear peace deal and urge other Democrats in the Senate to do the same.1 There’s no excuse for any Democrat to oppose the deal – least of all Senator Schumer, who is in line to take over leadership of the Senate Democrats once Senator Harry Reid retires.
Every day, more and more Democrats are lining up to support the historic, including ones like New York’s junior Senator Kirsten Gillibrand who are under enormous pressure to oppose the deal..2
Chuck Schumer was wrong on Iraq when he voted for war and he is wrong on Iran. Schumer’s decision to join Republicans in attempting to sabotage the Iran nuclear deal once again shows that he is unfit to lead Senate Democrats.
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■ Senator Schumer: Don’t Lead Us Into War With Iran
Petition by Jo Comerford
To be delivered to Sen. Charles Schumer (NY-1)
Support the framework for a nuclear deal with Iran and ongoing diplomacy. Reject any measures that would sabotage the negotiations. If you want to be the leader of Senate Democrats, you can’t lead us into war with Iran.
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■ Petition Title: Remove Debbie Wasserman-Schulz, effective IMMEDIATELY, as chairwoman of the DNC, Democratic National Committee
We are asking President Obama, as the current leader of the Democratic Party, to please remove Debbie Wasserman-Schulz as chairperson of the DNC, Democratic National Committee, due to her very apparent bias as former 2008 presidential campaign manager for Hillary Rodham Clinton. Ms. Wasserman-Schulz has scheduled only 6 debates between Democratic Party 2016 presidential candidates, scheduled AFTER some states such as New York have already closed their voter registration process. In 2008, the DNC allowed over 20 debates between Democratic presidential candidates, including YOU, Mr. President, which actually helped you win the Democratic Party nomination for President. This is an obvious attempt by Ms. Wasserman-Schulz and her close friend, Hillary Clinton, to unfairly treat other candidates.
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■ Remove Debbie Wasserman Schultz as DNC Chair
Petition by Dan DiZinno
To be delivered to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, DNC Chair
As a result of a complete, and total lack of coordinated messaging and horrific dissemination of available resources all ending in the absolute failure of her mission, Debbie Wasserman Schultz must resign or be removed as DNC Chair.
There are currently 9,413 signatures. NEW goal – We need 10,000 signatures!
PETITION BACKGROUND Every second that this abysmal leadership is in place is another second the Democrat Party has conceded congress to the Republican party. She has taken no responsibility for this horrific performance, and her staff even hinted the problem was the President. She was invisible and as was our message. She made certain she was comfortably “tucked in bed” in her own district, and did all she could to advance her own Presidential aspirations by running for cover. And running from our President was piss-poor strategy!
I believe fully that honorable people who have failed so miserably in their mission, would hurry to apologize and get out of the way. But apparently, the hubris Ms. Wasserman Schultz carries prohibits her from acting responsibly. So, we need to help her.
Bring back Howard Dean.
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Nice summary with links, W. Jones.
Max Blumenthal also tweeted on the issue today because apparently IAK sent out an email to its list about Max:
And a couple of others can be found there too.
And then there is this Ali Abunimah tweet from a few weeks ago after the ETO decision that I only recently came across: link to twitter.com
Just thought you guys might be interested.
“without analysing The Jew as he has supposedly existed throughout time and geography.”
I’d certainly like to analyse this guy, in order to find out how he has existed throughout time and geography.
Who is he? Is it you, Mooser?
Bibi Netanyahu must be Boo Hoo Netanyahu today. I hope these zionists and their devoted here realize that that $40 million they wasted on idiotic doomsday scenario ads, was a waste of money. Perhaps they could have used it for far better causes, like helping the poor.
They tried to manipulate the US and the Congress, but it seems sanity prevailed, and Boo Hoo and his band of war mongers, have lost badly.
It is time members of Congress stopped taking donations from devious nations – they have to pay a heavy price to return the favor, and are forced to go against the policies of their own nation, even rejecting peace for war. It is very unfortunate.
The cruel truth, I’m afraid, is that the publicity granted a handful of exceptionally horrific crimes like the Dawabshe arson attack is actually part of the system of denial. The government and media indulge an orgy of hand-wringing, a settler or two may pay some sort of penalty, and after a while everything returns to “normal” — with the liberal class reminding itself that good Israelis (unlike other people, one supposes) do get upset when they read about a family being torched. All the while, of course, the occupation goes on, its daily outrages undisturbed. But everybody’s moral quota has been filled for a while — so nothing need be noticed.
To be taken seriously, the Israeli left — what’s left of it — should be seizing on such outrages precisely to insist that these should NOT be the focus of activism. They are just the inevitable crests topping a long and sinister tide. Ignore the tide and you’re wasting your time (and everyone else’s) wailing over the occasional crest.
“Did you look at the credit card in question?”
I think he got the image from an Israeli bank ad.
“If that’s the case, than I/P cannot be understood or undone without analysing The Jew as he has supposedly existed throughout time and geography.”
Sounds like the beginning of an antisemitic tract! What on earth are you trying to do, tokyobk?
I have looked at the card and would certainly consider it racist. Regardless Of the motives of the individual requesting it, it would be offensive to many people.
That said lists or counts of incidents are not overly informative or instructive. They have values as lists and counts only. As you have agreed antisemitism does not provide cover for Israeli wrong doings.
We should be proud of these brave children and women who will not be cowed by the cycle of Israeli abuse and repression.
As for why children have emerged in a central role in Palestinian resistance, the answer is quite simple. As the article details, Israel has targeted children in its repressive tactics. So the children must either resist or be endlessly victimized. As Amira Hass said some time ago, “Every occupation deserves its resistance.”
“I used the term “Jew-hobbyist” to convey the idea that whatever subject comes up, someone with this predisposition (including philo-semitic braggarts) is going to tell you which Jew is at the root of it, but that term was rightly criticised here.”
Oh please, that’s no reason to stop pushing it on us. You just keep telling us what a useful and exact term it is, and keep on changing the definition as you go. But whatever you do, don’t give it up. It adds soooo much to the discourse.
While he faced criticism for exposing children to violence—most notably from Malcolm X, who said that “real men don’t put their children on the firing line”— King maintained that the demonstrations allowed children to develop “a sense of their own stake in freedom.” He later wrote, “Looking back, it is clear that the introduction of Birmingham’s children into the campaign was one of the wisest moves we made. It brought a new impact to the crusade, and the impetus that we needed to win the struggle.” The success in Birmingham provided momentum for the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom and helped pave the way for passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
“Not all pro Israel Jews have inexcusable racism “
Sure, Yonah, tell us all about ‘excusable racism’. Naturally I’m sure you feel the same about racism directed toward Jews, that a lot of it is excusable?
“but in fact a true expression of the Jewish essence,”
There’s a “Jewish essence”? Gee, if anybody except you said that, I’d call them an antisemite. But now that you have said it: Tell us, “tokyobk”, what is the “Jewish essence”
Certainly you can answer that question, “tokyobk”, can’t you. Sure, I know the “jewish essence” is natch, a better and finer essence, but gee, “tokyobk” what is the “Jewish essence”.
Oh, by-the-by, any other ‘essences’ (African, Asian, you name it) you want to explicate, feel free, I never did get that “essence” stuff. Maybe you could ‘splain it to me. What’s the ‘white essence’. Got a ‘Christian essence’ you want to tell us about?
“Tokyobk” I see you have put “Jew Hobbyist” and “The Jewish Problem” in quotes. Who here are you quoting, besides yourself?
Why doesn’t anyone notice, MW home office especially, that conflating “Jews” with “Israel” is racist, especially anti-Semitic?
Shorter, hohpmi: anti-Semitism!
Sorry, I was not avoiding your question. I either missed it or got busy.
The Jewish Identity aspect means looking at the extent to which Zionism is not just Jewish nationalism (like Arab or Asian nationalism) but in fact a true expression of the Jewish essence, a replacement of the Jewish religion etc..
If that’s the case, than I/P cannot be understood or undone without analysing The Jew as he has supposedly existed throughout time and geography.
Is there an I/P conversation completely independent of Judaism, Jewish communities, Arab-Jewish relations etc… ? of course not. But that discussion also includes of the West, colonialism, Islam, Arab nationalism etc.
Can I/P be solved by people of all backgrounds, including Jewish (and drawing Judaism as their inspiration even) within the framework of universal values and with the understanding that groups occupy different positions of power at various times in their history?
That’s the only legitimate and lasting way, imo.
If you made a list of 10 important things to secure Palestinian rights, which number would be proving that Jews are deviant interlopers (in some form, religion, culture, community)? Some people, and I stand by my comment some people here, seem to put finally getting to be able to tell the (alleged) truth about the Jews fairly high up.
Now, those drawn to “The Jewish Question” are not necessarily racial anti-semites, though almost always have a particular aspect of what they see as Jewish culture that they dislike and mistrust. I used the term “Jew-hobbyist” to convey the idea that whatever subject comes up, someone with this predisposition (including philo-semitic braggarts) is going to tell you which Jew is at the root of it, but that term was rightly criticised here.
Weekend at Bernie’s
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On the other hand, Hamas… A lot of money were given to Palestinians…. went into tunnels… you got a group of people who want to take (Iraq) into the 7th century… ending the blockade should be a goal… concerns about Hamas…
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Sanders says he has no solution to IP crisis and needs more time to think about it.
Yup, Hophmi et al will exaggerate and use anti-Semitism as a cover for Israel’s misdeeds.
Did you look at the credit card in question? Did you read Piotr’s comment?
Tokyobk, on the “Jewish Community is Humpty-Dumpty” thread, you wrote:
“It is clear, however, that there are several people here who are drawn to the increasingly visible/audible Jewish ID aspect of I/P.”
I think that you are talking about anti-semitism, but really I’m not sure what you mean. I asked you to explain, but you’ve been gone for a few days and now that thread is old.
Could you explain what “the increasingly visible/audible Jewish ID aspect of I/P” is?
And also, is there a non-Jewish ID aspect of I/P?
See these from Gareth Porter. Obama could not even defend the agreement as good for the US, and he accepted the hoary falsehood that Iran is acquiring nukes. The Israel lobby dominated both sides of the debate. Little will change in US policy toward Iran
Will Schumer succeed Reid as minority leader even after his treason? Will Wasserman Schulz remain DNC chair after hers?
You are welcome. You do so much around here.
“Clearly, you can admit that there are many other Americans who care about Israel other than those in the Jewish community”.
Yes: Evangelical Christians and Republican politicians – each group because of their own agenda, not because of love for Israel.
And . . . I do wonder if President Obama would still get 3/4 of that Jewish vote if the election were held today – after he pushed for the Iran nuclear agreement.
I’ve just checked. It’s not in the OED (and nor is “shitify”), but I hope we’ll see it there soon. It’s a fine coinage.
thank you froggy. just saw this.
Nonsense about shops in post-1967 occupied territories.
They have shops anywhere in colonial-occupied Palestine, they should get boycotted!
Otherwise, what kind of a *&^ boycott is that?
Never bought anything from these guys and never will.
beq! omg. welcome to mondoweiss ;)
The curtain is being pulled back on the Wizard of Iz, and it’s just a few fat rich guys. Everybody else in the herd is being duped, bribed, or blackmailed. It’s losing its glamour, and the fear factor is fading fast.
italian ex-pat, they don’t have to be lefties to be shocked. That was part of my point. That broad-spectrum shock exists and can be exploited. But as you point out, few in Israeli politics are going to to do that. The ONLY ones who MIGHT do it are on the left. Hence the opportunity for the left to doggedly regain some relevance outside their bubble and do good in the process.
The other part of my point was that no Israeli faction is going to make a big deal of the Duma murders by Jewish terrorists. That includes the “left.” They consciously declined to pursue justice in Duma, even despite its acceptance as a “justice-worthy” event among Jewish-Israelis, and therefore consciously opted for irrelevance.
The Israeli center-right is psychopathic/genocidal and the center-left has made worthlessness (and as this article implies, self-congratulatory, back-slapping, “What, me worry?”, worthlessness at that) a political goal.
The rest of my comment was just circuitous whining about wasting any time or energy trying to take the Jewish-Israeli “left” seriously (in the assumption that there is some vestigial thing remaining that might yet be rekindled and taken seriously under the right circumstances sometime in the future). The same applies for their libzio shadow supporters outside Israel. They will never, ever play to win. They will play only to say they played.
I think Israel’s problem with Obama began with his Cairo speech, in which he talked about Muslims as human beings deserving of respect. This contradicted Israelis’ view of Muslims as “beasts” and themselves as God’s Chosen people, destined to rule the world and justified in treating Muslims like animals. His personal experience with Muslims, and his middle name! both fit this picture of him as a heretic.
That would have a short shelf life in a country with truly free media discussions. But the Big Money wants to maintain their war profits in the Middle East, so they pumped out the bigotry propaganda against Obama, both religious and racist.
“War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror”
Thank you annie.
Your re-write makes MORE sense than the original. It seems to me a standard tactic of political criminals (e.g. national Republicans) is to pre-emptively accuse their opponents of doing exactly what they themselves are doing. I think they do this to neutralize the charge against themselves in the public’s mind.
This makes the most sense to me.
They don’t care because there’s no pressure for them to care. No matter what they say or do the aid keeps flowing, the politicians keep beating a path to their door, legislatures in Europe and North America keep trying to stifle any sanctions. That’s why they are obsessed with BDS. It’s not because it is hurting them, it’s because they are not use to being held responsible for their actions. They don’t like that.
They look whiter than most Israelis. A lot whiter, really
Probably because they don’t have access to any beaches where they can lounge around and work in their tans.
Certainly upends the “evil white colonizer” versus “poor brown victim” paradigm
It also upends the paradigm that they are just Arabs.
Of course there is a point having one. Israel won’t be able to bomb the country when Iran has nukes on long-distance missiles.
Why do you think North Korea got nukes? It’s the ultimate deterrant. And do you really believe Iran’s propaganda? Of course they’ll say that. Unbelievable how naive you are.
Also, in 15 years time, the breakout capacity will be next to nothing. They could probably get a nuke sooner than that if they really wanted to. Iran could just announce it has nukes and that’ll be the end of it.
What all of this means is that an Israeli-Iranian war is now basically impossible to imagine. Saudi will get their nukes from Pakistan, if they don’t have them already.
But most importantly, Israel’s premier advantage – nukes – is rapidly slipping away. Pare this with the fast increases in military spending from the GCC countries in the wake of the rise of ISIS and the so-called QME that Israel is paranoid about is disappearing with stunning speed.
The next battle will be more military aid. Obama has said he will increase it. Now that he’s safe out of the gate, will he follow through?
“The bottom line is that Israeli political leaders are far more cautious about Israeli security”
How do you square Israel’s 60 year occupation and expanding areas being colonized in terms of “security”? Doesn’t seem like Israel is concerned with “security”, seems more like they are concerned with expansion and intransigence.
Very hard to talk about “security” when you’ve been operating outside your own declared borders since day one, Hoph. So cut the “security” bullshit.
I fail to understand the reasoning that an Israeli has to be on ‘the left’ in order to be horrified by the arson attack in Duma which left a baby and his father dead, and the mother and the other child terribly burned over most of their bodies. While time and medical treatment may heal the physical wounds, the psychological damage will be permanent. What does it matter whether one is politically left or right, it should be irrelevant in the face of such a heinous crime, anyone with a heart should want to see justice done, right? Right?
In the days after the story first broke, I predicted that the culprits would never be found, in spite of the government’ assurances that they would use all their resources in their hunt for them.
Frankly, I didn’t believe them for a moment. Of course they were shocked by this act, obviously committed by one (or more) of their own – I mean, how is this gonna make Israelis look in the world’ opinion? But eager to catch those responsible? Not so much. Certainly not eager enough to turn the settlements upside down as they did the WB when the three Israeli boys disappeared. Much better to let the case go cold, in time the world will forget, just like those TelAvivians who have already put it out of their mind, if it was ever there at all. Funny how they can recollect every gruesome detail of some violent crime committed by Palestinians eons ago, but have managed to erase the Duma attack from their collective memory in less than a month.
The biggest defeat AIPAC ever had was probably over the AWAC’s in 1981
That’s nonsense. The nuclear program is a much bigger deal than AWACS and we all know that.
You’re just attempting desperate damage control. Israel lost in a landslide – and AIPAC with it. It got nothing substantive to show for it, and the price was many millions from rich AIPAC donors and a long, drawn-out process in which the Israel lobby got exposed for all to see.
If Obama wanted to write a script to expose and poison the lobby he couldn’t have come up with a better plot himself.
P.S. Interesting to see the two hasbara approaches. Rothkopf/Pollak tries the whole “the lobby is dead(forget my previous attempts to hide it)” and now your “the lobby will come back stronger than ever”.
Both are wrong, of course. The lobby is strong but it is getting weaker by the day. AIPAC will be reduced to a new ZOA. J Street will be the final castle to storm.
“I’m just going to file this in an obvious trend of, for some, there being no such thing as anti-semitism anywhere, ever”
That’s right, “tokyobk”, you can pull out the credit-card pogrom, and shame and shock them to the core!
Jeez, “tokyobk” why sweat the small stuff? Go over to the “Obama and the Zionists” thread, and Hophmi’s listed a plethora of reported antisemitisms!
Not all pro Israel Jews have inexcusable racism and in fact Berger didn’t say that. But your headline appears to say that he said that.
This is from Haaretz:
“Suddenly Zionism became about accountability. It was about the Jewish people taking control of their future after a history of being trampled on.
“I fell in love with Zionism, because Zionism became about taking ownership over the story of one’s people,” she says in the video. “If Zionism is about owning your future, how can I not respect that?”
link to haaretz.com
So Zionism is supposedly about accountability yet the movement spawned an ethnic cleansing and unequal system where certain races/religions are treated differently. Taking control of your own future does not mean denying control to other people’s future.
Sadly, Amna Farooqi reminds me of the Jewish committee member in Fatah. They are designed to be used rather than to be respected. Amna Farooqi job is to make Zionism appear less racist than it actually is.
J-Street is not a pro-peace organization. It is a pro-status organization. It fights for Zionism’s right for racial control rather than racial equality.
In the time of Rabin, the Israel lobby had a difficult time adjusting to the new (but in fact very temporary) Israeli reality, because the lengthy Likud dominance of the prime minister’s seat had placed people (machers) of like mind in positions of power in the major Jewish organizations and Aipac and thus the lobby reflected that Israeli reality.
Netanyahu’s career as prime minister has been highly focused upon two things: maintaining the status quo (which means whatever status quo his predecessor handed to him) and rallying forces on the Iran issue (the Iraq issue was when he was out of office). This “last act” of the Iran issue for the foreseeable future until 10 or 15 years from now takes this issue away from him. (A Republican president hell bent on turning nasty about the text of the contract, as Trump has indicated, might yet revive the issue, but nonetheless the obsession seems to be anachronistic after today.)
The United States support for Israel as expressed by the Congress will continue for the foreseeable future as well. The initiative for shaking things up on Israel Palestine is in the hands of the president: present and future. Obama is not a lame duck, but do you really believe he will encourage the French UN Security Council Resolution? If not, no matter where his heart is, his service on the Middle East is in the lame duck phase.
Yes, association between hook nose Jews and money as a “good luck” symbol is derogatory. Most people with black lawn jockeys and Native American mascots for their ball team think its cute and funny too.
If you’re pointing out that blaming a stupid credit card design by an obnoxious customer can be made into an international incident and used as cover to justify stealing land and water from Palestinians, yes you may be right.
But hook nosed Jew characters and Zwarte Piet and Chief Wahoo and Sasha Cohen’s Arabs are not funny or cute. Not in this world.
I’m just going to file this in an obvious trend of, for some, there being no such thing as anti-semitism anywhere, ever. And yes, a good part of the blame for this situation is the exaggerations of pro-Israel factions and the use of the history anti Jewish bigotry as a carte blanche.
So what Berger, who is Jewish, termed “the domestic Jewish constituency” has “inexcusable prejudice” against Obama. I wonder what that’s about– racism, xenophobia. They want a president they can trust. They trust Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush because they can be bought, or because they’re white?
If I remember that time correctly, the prejudice is about his second name: Hussein as in Barack Hussein Obama. There were lot’s of posters and social media comments around in Israel saying that the name Hussein is proof that Barack Obama is a muslim and therefore an enemy of “the jews.” So, Israeli anti-muslem prejudice was and is in play against Obama. Of course, that he’s black didn’t make the issue better in the views of the Israeli right, quite the opposite.
Many thanks, Annie.
@hophmi: “Tell me, how many Jews have attacked Muslims because ISIS and Al-Qaeda claim to act on behalf of Islam?”
That is a poor analogy, hophmi. How many Jewish victims have ISIS and Al-Qaeda claimed? How many Jewish refugees have they created?
OTOH, neocon Jews with power and influence in the U.S. have been successful at promoting wars on Islamic countries, creating massive death and suffering for Muslims. As well, these neocon Jews and their supporters have been successful for many decades at enabling Israel’s slow-motion genocide of the Palestinians.
Israeli Jews, of course, have been directly responsible for the shattered lives of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. And Israel’s cruel treatment of African refugees is probably no secret to the immigrant population in Malmo, either.
How is it “blaming the victim” to observe that justifiable anger at Israel is often taken out on innocent Jews?
‘Pallywood’ is far more than just a smear. It’s so incredibly offensive.
Nope did not have the Janna piece. Thanks
Yes NIAC put out an alert early this morning. Now to the 41 votes needed to halt the Republicans, Senator Schumer and Senator Menendez from putting President Obama in a humiliating position to have to use his veto power.
Keep contacting your Reps let the ones know like Schumer and Menendez who are undermining U..S. National Security by going against the President and voting against this deal that they can still do the right thing and vote for the Iran deal.
Let’s hope that Schumer’s vote knocks him out of play for the Dem Majority whip in the Senate in 2016. Should be Durbin…who voted against the 2002 Iraq war resolution and is voting for the Iran deal. Should be Senator Durbin.
Surprising there is not more hammering of Schumer and Menendez in the MSM and at so called progressive websites.
Israeli leaders generally don’t have the political space to move if they don’t feel like they have the support of the United States.
they had a lot of support from the US over the peace process (the topic surrounding this articles and 2010 emails)
that’s what the debate between Israel and America over the Iran deal is all about….Understanding that psychology is important to devising a policy that brings Israel to the table to negotiate.
uh huh, netanyahu always did want to place iran in front of the peace process. i think, contrary to your allegations, you’re moving goalposts. all those trips to the region and handholding sessions between kerry and netanyahu in the middle of the night. they got the US no.where. no evidence whatsoever any coddling along worked 1 iota. so you think that same approach should have been used in the iran deal. got it. just do not agree.
You can use whatever word you want; I call it antagonization
got it. you think not catering to “Bibi’s psychology” wrt iran is an antagonizing approach.
not noted. thanks for sharing.
this could all be so much more simplified if we just centered everything around catering to netanyahu’s psychological predilections.
Thanks David for calling this out. I’m also unclear what the issue is here. From the “Ben and Jerrys in Israel” page:
“We have no economic interest in the occupied territories.”
The Vermont group criticizes Ben and Jerrys for having their products sold on West Bank settlements and for using the Jewish roads on the West Bank. I’m not sure how they know this as fact. Regardless, everybody uses those roads. It’s pretty much impossible to live in Israel-Palestine without crossing into the West Bank. The government has built roads and other infrastructure to bury the Green Line and create the one state reality. As for selling stuff in settler shops, I’m sure they sell Toblerone and other goodies somewhere on some settlement. Does that mean now I have to give up my chocolate?
From a Haaretz article .No pay wall.
“Wanted: Dangerous terrorist.
Suspect name: Ahed Tamimi, aka “Shirley Temper.”
Physical appearance: Slight.
Accused of: Assault with intent (biting an Israeli soldier), manipulation of the world media.
Known accomplices: Mohammad Tamimi, 12 years old, brother, walks around with cast on left hand.
Be advised: Suspects may appear childlike, but they are in fact cunning and experienced. They are petite and unarmed but considered extremely dangerous.
Last seen: Under and on top of an armed IDF soldier, one of them howling in pain.
This weekend’s damning images from the Palestinian village of Nabi Saleh, in which a masked IDF soldier is seen trying to arrest Mohammad Tamimi (whose left arm had been broken in a separate incident), putting him in a chokehold and being interrupted by a group of women and girls, caused a worldwide media frenzy. In Vox, it was called “Israel’s Eric Garner moment”.
In Israel, however, it was the soldier who was cast in the role of Eric Garner, who died in Staten Island after a police officer put him in what has been described as a “chokehold” – not the boy.
read more: link to haaretz.com
“Israelis, of course, are not monsters. A soldier choke-holding a crying 12 year-old looks just as bad in Israel as it does everywhere else. Outside of a few extremists, Israelis have no desire to see children hurt, rock-throwers or otherwise.
Israelis do, however, have a longstanding and well-documented national obsession with convincing the world that they’re right. When faced with evidence of their country’s moral culpability, the cognitive dissonance that allows Israelis to maintain their moral superiority, even when the actions of their country are clearly immoral, goes into manic overdrive.”
The article goes on to show how Israel and it,s hasbarats frame the soldier as the victim.
Only problem with the article is the reference to Israelis.Clearly the author is only referring to Jewish Israelis.Presumably the opinion of the other 20 % is of no importance.
for those who truly seek the Truth it is easy
for those who want to be ‘seen’ as seekers of the truth well then it’s never easy
Iran will get the bomb eventually.
Unlikely. While they have the means they have rightly pointed out that there is no point having one given that the U.S. and Israel have thousands.
Whichever juvenile Hasbarat(s) made this vid’, a more senior Hasbarat obviously took one look & realised the world wasn’t quite ready for it. If you’re trying to play a “Checkers card”, at least have the wit to use something cute and lovable like – uh – Checkers (a cocker spaniel); not some Doberman cross that looks as if its idea of doggy fun could be biting chunks out of Palestinian children’s legs! The Zio-paths’ problem with the Iran-nuclear business is transparent: 1) Israel wants to remain the only playground bully with 1” ball bearings secreted in its pockets; 2) it wants to deflect from its own nuclear arsenal and the possibility of pressure mounting for THAT to come under greater scrutiny and for Israel to be painted into a corner by the international community over refusal to sign-up to the NPT. The whole Iran hysteria project begins and ends about there.
shitification is a great word, Marshall; I’m going to steal it
I don’t understand why only these two deaths are being used to make the case that Israel is committing gross violations of human rights. There are thousands of examples…verifiable proof that this is happening every day.
In Max Blumenthal’s book The 51 Day War, he documents the willful murder of dozens of Palestinians as well as the capricious destruction of hundreds of homes, apartment buildings and businesses. Isn’t all of that a violation of human rights?
This must be disappointing to their many fans around the world!
that they look white? i doubt it. educated people know palestinians come in all shades.
I always thought the biggest loser of the deal would be AIPAC.
Iran will get the bomb eventually. The reality is that it is very hard to stop a large nation like Iran with a highly educated population from getting nukes. You can delay and that is what this will do. The Saudis have had access to Pakistan’s nukes if need will be so we will have 3 nuclear states within 10-15 years in the Middle East. All of them are (relatively) stable.
I’d trust the Iranians a hell of a lot more than the Saudis with nukes.
The Saudis are ideologically fanatical. They are behind the massive rise of fundamentalist mosques and madrassas in muslim nations all over the world. Just look at Pakistan and increasingly at Bangladesh.
And anyway, this entire spectacle has been somewhat of a sideshow. Even if the opponents won in Congress the deal would have gone ahead anyway.
Now Obama got a double win: both a diplomatic victory and a political victory against AIPAC.
This will create a lot of well-needed space for either Hillary or Bernie to further distance themselves from AIPAC.
The final target will be J Street on the left. We’re coming for you, Ben-Ami.
hops, allegations such as these (unlike jewish thugs screaming racist chants on the streets of paris) don’t ever seem to be accompanied by video or recording:
In Belleville, an eastern suburb of Paris, a demonstration Saturday by a few dozen people against Israel’s attack on Hamas featured calls to “slaughter the Jews,” according to Alain Azria, a French Jewish photojournalist who covered the event. The crowd also chanted “death to the Jews,” he said.
read more: link to haaretz.com
you don’t happen to have access to any youtubes confirming this do you? and considering how prolific mobile phones are on the streets these days, wouldn’t it be odd if their weren’t any?
“i didn’t mention antagonization, nor did indyk.”
Nobody’s moving goalposts. Israeli leaders generally don’t have the political space to move if they don’t feel like they have the support of the United States. You can use whatever word you want; I call it antagonization, but maybe we’ll just call it public disagreement.
The bottom line is that Israeli political leaders are far more cautious about Israeli security than Americans are, and basically, that’s what the debate between Israel and America over the Iran deal is all about, and why, despite seemingly being destructive of the fabric of the relationship, Bibi continues to press his case. Understanding that psychology is important to devising a policy that brings Israel to the table to negotiate. Diplomacy and negotiation is often about understanding the psychology of the protagonists.
The biggest defeat AIPAC ever had was probably over the AWAC’s in 1981. Did AIPAC get weaker or stronger as a result?
Funny. They look whiter than most Israelis. A lot whiter, really.
Certainly upends the “evil white colonizer” versus “poor brown victim” paradigm.
This must be disappointing to their many fans around the world!
it seems like hops is discounting their elected leaders when referencing “most palestinian leaders”.
“In Malmo, there is extremely high unemployment for Muslims”
So by all means, solve the problem by driving out the few Jews who live there.
“Another way to say it is that you reap what you sow.”
Tell me, how many Jews have attacked Muslims because ISIS and Al-Qaeda claim to act on behalf of Islam?
Another way to characterize your ridiculous argument is to label it blaming the victim.
“i said a crime is not always evidence of a racist crime.”
Certainly true. What does it have to do with the documented 15 year rise of antisemitism in France?
” remember, france is a country that hauls bds activists in to court on charges of anti semitism/incitement”
Whom are you talking about? Which ones? Jews are 40% of the victims of racist incidents in France. Are you asserting that BDS activists are being hauled into court for incidents toward Jews that were not antisemitic? Do you have documentation for this?
” i don’t think victims of a crime are necessarily the most unbiased judge of the motive.”
So what you’re saying is that Jewish organizations aren’t reliable reporters of antisemitism because Jews are the victims. Would you ever say this to an historically African-American organization like the NAACP? Or a Muslim organization like CAIR? I doubt it.
“other than that, it’s not just one or two. here’s another link to timesofisrael.com and another (famous in france), “victimhood competition.”
So you sent two articles about two anecdotal incidents, and a French wikipedia entry about the SPCJ with a section about a “victimhood competition.” What does that mean? The article says that the victimhood competition is not because of the SPCJ, but because the Muslims are upset that the French media covers antisemitism more than Islamophobia. As a result, the Muslim community started an organization based on SPCJ, called the CCIF a “mirror,” to report on Islamophobic incidents. That was in 2011. My numbers are from 2014. I don’t see how this undermines the argument that there is a serious antisemitism problem in France.
In other words, the victimhood competition is something that people engage in because they resent the Jewish community for being organized enough to issue reports on antisemitism, not something the Jewish community engages in.
“The reputation of Commissioner Ghozlan of the National Bureau of Vigilance against Anti-Semitism (BNVCA), is compromised.”
Still clueless. Ghozlan was suspended from the Steering Committee of CRIF because he publicly criticized CRIF. The notion that the guy and his entire family would leave France, where they’d lived for 40 years, because he was suspended from the Steering Committee of CRIF is so ridiculous that I can’t seriously believe that you believe it. As I’ve told you before, Ghozlan has never had great relations with CRIF (read Marie Brenner’s Vanity Fair piece from 2002), because he’s frequently criticized them for not taking antisemitism seriously enough. He was right in 2002, and he’s right now, and leaving France hasn’t stopped him from working on the problem. And for the sixth time, it’s not Ghozlan’s numbers that CRIF is relying on.
“again, it doesn’t mean there’s not a problem w/racism against jews in france, it means just because someone makes a claim doesn’t mean it’s true from their perspective (google paranoia).”
So you think that these incidents are unsubstantiated claims?
You know what? Here’s the report from 2014. You can read it. It includes a long list of incident descriptions. You can tell us which incidents you take issue with as being not antisemitic.
Is it the one where an orthodox man received an electric shock from a Shocker as he was entering a shul?
Is it the one where a 59 year old teacher wearing a kippa and tzitzit was attacked by three men who screamed “Dirty Jew, death to the Jews, we’re going to fuck your race” and drew a swastika on him?
Was it this one from Nice? “A young Jewish woman in her car with her mother was attacked by a driver who slapped, insulted, and threatened her. “Dirty sh***y Jews, dirty French girls. We’re gonna blow up everything, watch
the news, synagogues are going to blow up, it is war!” He also tried to pull the victim out of her car and added: “I know where you live, dirty Jew, I’m gonna kill you!”
This one? “A man was pushing the wheelchair of his son with Down’s syndrome when he was insulted by an individual who said: “You kike, you Jew! Ah, the Jew!” A second individual appeared and punched him two or three times on the right side of the face, and escaped.”
Maybe this one: “Three masked men forced their way into the apartment of a Jewish family; they sequestrated one of the sons and his girlfriend for an hour. The attackers demanded money, ATM cards, and jewels, and said: “You Jews, you are rich. You’re gonna tell us where the money is.” The young man was tied up, the young woman was raped, and the apartment was burglarized. The three attackers were arrested and placed in custody. One of the attackers had identified the victims’ apartment a month earlier and came to ask for some sugar.”
Or this one: “During a bar mitzvah, an individual shot numerous lead bullets towards the synagogue from his balcony. A worshipper was hit, but not wounded. The congregation has been the target of Antisemitic attacks by this neighbor for a year. The police were called and the man was held in custody.
The incidents, by the way, are all incidents that were reported to the police by the victims, so enough of your red herrings about who can bring prosecutions.
Maybe they’re all coincidences, because as Froggy says, who can tell which people are Jews and which are not? It’s just a coincidence when someone calls a Jew a dirty Jew or a kike. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
and therefore if an incidence not supported by enough convincing evidence by the police, it should not be included.”
Right, so for an incident of antisemitism to take place according to an NGO, there has to be a full police investigation and a finding of “enough convincing evidence”, because Jews in France can’t be trusted as witnesses and because otherwise, people like you will assume that 851 antisemitic incidents didn’t really happen as antisemitic incidents because the Jews of France are just “paranoid.” Do you ever listen to yourself? Would you ever use this standard for hate crimes reporting for anyone else?
“i’m sort of done w/it.”
Yeah, that’s your general approach when someone highlights what nonsense you’re peddling.
reading it in context, i think you have a point. it’s a tad confusing because the preceding sentence references ‘not trusted in israel – not trusted by netanyahu -‘ and then ‘domestically faces skepticism.’ so i had read “domestically in israel”. but then he referenced clinton’s presidency which harkens domestic US. but, in the paragraph above he had referenced not different for ross and clinton in reference to israelis and palestinians — which takes us back to the region .
but since you mentioned it, i read it the other way now too.
As I skimmed some on-line newspaper, I have seen this talk-back in Wiadomosci.pl “the most offended [angry?] nation in the world”. The piece of news was that in Auschwitz-Birkenau the management installed a misty water curtain, to provide relief in sunny hot weather, and Israeli tourists were offended because gas in chambers was also sprayed.
I checked ynetnews.com, and the anti-Semitic offense of the day was from Norway, another favorite culprit:
Norwegian bank prints anti-Semitic portrait on credit card
Offensive card showed a tallit-clad, long-nosed figure in front of a background of gold coins; bank claims it was the result of service allowing clients to design their own cards.
Published: 09.02.15, 10:02 / Israel News
DNB Bank, the largest financial institution in Norway, has issued a credit card featuring a blatant anti-Semitic portrait.
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The card, featuring a long-nosed Jewish figure wearing a tallit, with gold coins in the background, caused uproar online.
The design was supplied by the customer. As a proud owner of a long nose, I do not see depiction of such a feature as deregatory, and neither is tallit. Is association of Jews with money deregatory (or unfounded)? And few weeks earlier, there was a story on that theme from Poland, where you can buy paintings with somewhat similar design (I guess without the tallit, but the necessary feature is that the Jew must count the coins). Surprisingly, on that occasion there was an intelligent discussion, namely, the motivation for buying those picture is to have a “good luck” symbol. As putting a picture of a Jew on the wall for good luck anti-Semitic or not? Somehow, the conclusion in the report was that it is hasty to make a negative conclusion. It is totally clear to me that Australian customer also wanted to have a “good luck” pattern on his credit card.
The point is that a serious newspaper in Israel has a special section and a special team of reporters to regularly produce stories about any conceivable mistreatment of Jews or any possible crime thoughts concerning the Jews.
“Think of it as an ethnic ATM.”
Interesting point, and not far-fetched at all. If Israel becomes a partisan issue (it has, duration being the question) then pols of both parties have mechanisms to extract pro-Israel money without the need for reciprocity.
Rs with an implicit or explicit, “Where else ya gonna go?”, and Ds with a, “You don’t want 4-year gaps in the special relationship/UNSC veto. DO YOU?” tack.
I can almost picture Harry looking over at Mitch and an almost imperceptible, Mona Lisa, smile forms on both their faces acknowledging that, “It’s time.”
That is if these pols are even the least bit tired of being AIPAC/Israel dancing marionettes. They might not be.
“I trust them and I think they are doing a great job”
This question shows who the ruling class of any society is. Just ask them if they trust the police. The ones benefiting from institutional discrimination and the status quo are usually the ones that trust the police -they protect their interests.
Antagonizing Netanyahu hasn’t led to more peace
did you think i wasn’t going to notice you moving the goalposts hops? i didn’t mention antagonization, nor did indyk.
try addressing my argument rather than what i didn’t say. here it is again, paraphrased and simplified for you:
‘dwell on Bibi’s psychology for it all points in the direction of making a deal’
iow, in the diplomatic process, when negotiating a deal, do not focus on politics — focus on psychological predisposition of a leader.
try arguing for that position to the best of your ability. and not just for netanyahu but as a principle of diplomacy and problem solving between countries. including iran if you want.
tag you’re it
@Hophmi: “Jews are quite “empowered” in France, and yet, they’re 40% of the victims of racist violence there. ”
Except that they aren’t. A complaint is evidence only that someone says there was a crime. So 40% of the claims of racist violence are about Jews.
What are the stats on racist violence in France, as verified by the French legal system, and what is the breakdown of victims by race?
Or how about the stats on victims of violent crime in France, with the percentage of victims who are Jewish compared to the percentage of French citizens who are Jews?
@Hophmi: “Jews in Sweden have been essentially forced out of Malmo, Sweden’s second largest city. ” You might be interested in this, “”Sweden’s “Damn Jew’ Problem,” link to tabletmag.com . From the article:
The Jews of Malmö, a community of about 1,500 in a city of 300,000, are living through a new form of anti-Semitism. This kind does not stem from neo-Nazis or right-wing extremists—traditional perpetrators of European Jew-hatred—but has come to the city through immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East and is part of a larger, countrywide problem of failed integration.
According to the 2011 census, one in 10 Malmö citizens comes from the Middle East and North Africa, and ethnic Swedes are no longer in the majority among 15-year-olds.
In Malmo, there is extremely high unemployment for Muslims, and, despite comparatively generous social welfare benefits, very high levels of frustration in the immigrant community, who would rather have normal, productive lives than collecting welfare and wishing they had not been forced to become refugees.
It doesn’t take a Ph.D. in psychology to be able to understand that when Israel claims to act in the name of all Jews, everywhere, there is going to be violence against innocent Jews who have nothing to do with Israel and its crimes against humanity.
I love bible verses, so I’ll share this one with you; it seems apropos:
Job 4:8-9 My experience shows that those who plant trouble and cultivate evil will harvest the same. A breath from God destroys them. They vanish in a blast of his anger.
Another way to say it is that you reap what you sow. Except in the case of Israel, where it is non-Israeli Jews who are harvesting the abuse and hatred sown by Israeli Jews.
Unfortunately, as other commenters on mondoweiss have observed many, many times, the government of Israel considers violence towards non-Israeli Jews to be a helpful tool in luring Jews to move to the apartheid state.
I love songs, too. “Brothers and sisters, don’t you know? You’re gonna reap just what you sow!” link to youtube.com
what i see is how the USA has become basically a corporation/satelite store of Israel.
It should be rebranded “New Israel”.
Make me understand how everything has become “Israel” here in New Israel 24/7.
i would rather have everything Cajun
The Israeli “left” has rendered itself completely irrelevant. I guess that’s why “bubble” is such an apt description.
But here’s a perfect opportunity to reverse some of that slide. The Duma murders had even this psychopathic Israeli government rocked back to the point of calling it terrorism and vowing to find the perps (i.e. they didn’t dismiss it out of hand) in response to real global disgust. There’s real pressure to be tapped in that disgust and real credibility to be recouped by doing so. Even within Israel.
The Israeli bubble-left could reassert itself, or at least take a step back from its vanishing point, by harnessing some of that donestic and international disgust by relentlessly pursuing justice for the Dawabshes. By making a campaign out of it, and most importantly, shedding their impotence by seeing it through to its realization.
Since no action by the bubble-left is a given, it would be interesting to get a glimpse into “why” none is forthcoming. Why does the Israeli left (and its counterparts internationally) WANT to be impotent? What kind of person and/or movement makes impotence its GOAL?
Not that any of this matters in the least, the outcome is known here. But some future lefties starting down this path toward impotence without knowing it is the path to impotence might actually choose a more effectual path if someone told them beforehand that impotence was invariably where the path of least resistance ends. The rest can be identified as handwringing, time/energy-wasters and ignored accordingly.
Indyk’s advice echoes other Middle East policymakers, like Aaron David Miller, who have argued that the United States needs the trust of both Israelis and Palestinians to make peace. He’s correct on this point. Antagonizing Netanyahu hasn’t led to more peace in the Middle East. It’s only empowered people on the right in Israel.
As usual, you’re a little too blind to see the hypocrisy in your philosophy here. Because coddling, rather than antagonizing, is exactly the approach you would counsel for Iran, and it’s one defense of the Iran deal offered by the Administration, which argues that sanctioning the Iranians, far from leading to a diminishment of their nuclear capabilities, has only led them to further pursuit of nuclear protection.
“I read that originally as “knock on woof.”” ABC
shalom, the Nabi Saleh villagers have been protesting since the illegal Gush Eminem village next door (Halamish) confiscated their communal spring three years ago.
Who is “staging this trash”? Who is the basic aggressor here? It is Israel. Those soldiers in the video are there to defend Halamish.
In that context, perhaps some personal action from you to end the Israeli occupation is appropriate rather than a call for a “peace rally”. “Peace rally” for what?
“So what Berger, who is Jewish, termed “the domestic Jewish constituency” has “inexcusable prejudice” against Obama.”
I think you’re reading the statement incorrectly here. It’s not clear that Berger was referring to the Jewish community when he talked about “inexcusable prejudice” against Obama”; there’s no reference to the Jewish community in that paragraph. And if he were, it wouldn’t be remotely accurate, given that Obama got around 3/4 of the Jewish vote and that racism that was directed toward Obama during his first term came from elsewhere. Likely, Berger is referring to right-wingers in general, not the Jewish community. Clearly, you can admit that there are many other Americans who care about Israel other than those in the Jewish community.
This comment may not be precisely on topic, but the theme of bias will be evident. Here in the hinterlands we are not spared the wisdom of Thomas Friedman, but it runs in the local paper a day or two after it appears in the NYT. So it is just today that I read about “Our radical Islamic BFF, Saudi Arabia.” The subhead explains that “Thomas Friedman says turning a blind eye to the nation’s attacks on its Muslim enemies because of our oil dependency is dangerous.”
Now in fact there is truth in this. Surprising, but “a stopped clock is right twice a day.” But what occurred to me was how much sense the headline and subhead would make with a bit of editing: “Our radical Jewish BFF, Israel. Thomas Friedman says turning a blind eye to the nations’s attacks on its Muslim neighbors because of our politicians’ money dependency is dangerous.”
I’m unlikely ever to see it, but it is a nice fantasy.
“TOP SECRET” KOENIG MEMORANDUM: “We Must Use Terror, Assassination, Intimidation, Land Confiscation And The Cutting Of All Social Services To Rid The Galilee Of Its Arab Population”
AND THE RESULTS YEARS LATER:
“UNCTAD’s report [pdf] on assistance to the Palestinian people states that Gaza could become uninhabitable by 2020 if current economic trends persist. In addition to eight years of economic blockade, in the past six years, Gaza has endured three military operations that have shattered its ability to export and produce for the domestic market, ravaged its already debilitated infrastructure, left no time for reconstruction and economic recovery, and accelerated the de-development of the Occupied Palestinian Territory, a process by which development is not merely hindered but reversed.”
“Since when are you speaking for “most Palestinian leaders” about what they will “swop out?”
Since the Clinton parameters and since the Abbas-Olmert negotiations. Since when do you deny that Palestinian leaders are amenable to a solution?
““So apparently they haven’t done a good job,” he said. “But listen, it takes time. I can’t blame them [the police]. I trust them and I think they are doing a great job.”
It is obvious that when it comes to apprehending their criminals, it “takes time”, whereas any time a Palestinian is involved, they overreact, use excessive force, against ALL Palestinians, and not one, but hundreds are arrested. Other Palestinians also pay for it by having their homes attacked and destroyed. Goyim must be treated badly and unfairly eh?
Then there is this goodie ::
“Tel Aviv is like a different country – like another country inside Israel.”
Actually it sounds like the rest of the country…clueless.
thank you so much cigar god, that means a lot to me.
and taxi! i adore you. can i say that here? lol
Careful, your dog might die of poisoning. :))
Unfortunately this will not kill the lobby. They will, at the direction of Israel, regroup, refinance, and come back even stronger, to interfere, manipulate, and set one American against another.
Hi amigo– it is at the discretion of the government to grant a debate, even if 100,000 sigs are received, and debates have been denied on motions with more than 100,000 sigs. However, if a group of MP’s decide to submit an ‘early day motion’ then it is possible for a debate, but not very often. The important thing here is that both the UK and Israel governments know how a large number of people feel about Netanyahu and Israel’s actions. Another nail in the coffin!
Yeah, the wrongness on display here is monumental. Evidence of the actual, on-the-ground problems that go with politicizing a government department like State. Connected idiots like Indyk have the ear of the secretary, while (I’m sure) legions of lowly diplomats actually saw the shitification of (Jewish) Israeli society for what it was in real time.