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November 21, 2014, 9:37 am

Levy is a treasure~ I hope that he is well- guarded…there’s even more nutsos running around today than yesterday.

thanks, seafoid.

November 21, 2014, 9:34 am


Anything that can bring people together from the heart should be the true reflection of religious belief. All else is a perversion of that one pure goal.

November 21, 2014, 9:27 am

seafoid ~

Your mention of The Troubles is relevant here, as we all recall what ultimately allowed a negotiated settlement, as well as peace, to be reached: Including the terrorist group Sinn Fein into the discussions.

Amazing that the US ,who successfully brokered that deal, wouldn’t think of applying the same logic in reaching out to Hamas in order to settle “The Troubles” in Palestine.

Maybe amazing isn’t the right word, as several others quickly come to mind.

November 21, 2014, 9:20 am

various tunes emanating from the horns, too! yech.

hey Taxi.

November 21, 2014, 9:20 am

It is well-known that Israel’s Mossad is connected to ISIS.

It’s also well known that Israel’s Mossad is connected to Israel. I think that’s enough.

November 21, 2014, 9:16 am

Well at least he opposed these resolutions when he was in the senate.

S. Res. 138: (-) calling on the United Nations to rescind the Goldstone report, formally known as the UN Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, which accused the Israeli government of targeting Palestinian civilians.

S. Res. 185: (-) reaffirming the commitment of the US to a negotiated settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and calling for a US veto of any UN resolution on Palestinian statehood without a settlement.

S. Con. Res. 23: (-) supporting Israel in maintaining defensible borders, and against Israel returning to the armistice lines that existed on June 4, 1967


At this point, anyone who can light a fire under Hilliary’s tail feathers and help nudge her party to the left is a good thing. Webb’s touting of his Vietnam-era military background I found a bit off-putting, as this to me seemed like a no-brainer to oppose, but, being a long time ago, I’m willing to give the man a listen.

The democratic machine still has a lot of power, and these are the geniuses who gave us Kerry over Dean, and Hilliary, ugh, currently holds the keys to that machine.

November 21, 2014, 9:14 am

Uh– like most things Israel does, it is ILLEGAL.

these folks rocks in their cavernous heads.

sounds like they really, really, really want to further break the law re deportation.

‘eh, what’s one more step? we’ve gotten away with it so far…’

“Israel’s Attorney General, Yehuda Weinstein, opposed the idea of collective punishment”

How did he feel about Gaza?

November 21, 2014, 9:11 am

I agree that Pollard should rot where he is. He should be made into an example to other traitors, who are in bed with alien nations, especially with a supposed “ally”.

American leaders have become susceptible to the influences exerted by a now considered deadly doctrine called zionism. They will even turn on their own leadership and undermine American policies, to do the bidding of this dangerous group. If the Obama administration has decided it is not in the best interest of the US to release this rat, then I think the entire country must support it, not act like mindless puppets. As I mentioned before you will not find these so called distinguished ex officials of this nation extending such concern if the rat was an Iranian or Russian one.

November 21, 2014, 9:07 am

“BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — A spate of anti-Palestinian hate attacks have been reported since late Thursday in Jerusalem and northern Israel, police and Israeli media said.

In Jerusalem, four Israeli girls attacked a Palestinian taxi driver with pepper spray in King George Street late Thursday, Israeli police said.

Another Palestinian claimed he was also attacked by a group of Israeli girls in the center of the city.

Police said they arrested four girls, settlers from the occupied West Bank, and a court ordered that they be banned from Jerusalem for 15 days.

In northern Israel, unknown assailants threw acid on the car of an Imam in Acre late Thursday. An Israeli police spokesman said they are looking into the background of the incident.

Israeli news site Ynet reported that a 53-year-old man was arrested near Haifa after threatening Palestinian workers with a knife. The man was disarmed by one of the workers at the restaurant and police arrested the suspect.

Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported Friday that Palestinian taxi drivers in Jerusalem have stopped working at night due to verbal and physical assaults.”

link to maannews.net

November 21, 2014, 8:54 am

Well said, eljay, although I think that Norman’s gone elsewhere for some reason.

November 21, 2014, 8:51 am

Yes, that famous Zionist, Karbaum, made a lot of surprise appearances back then.

November 21, 2014, 8:49 am

I also remember too many on-line discussions with free marketers during the Occupy heyday who also, in my opinion, echoed Greenspan’s over-estimation of the market to correct itself or deliver anything like economic justice to a majority of Americans. Also included in the discusses were the non-existent moral compasses of the groups on Wall Street writing laws for their own benefit.

Probably another topic for another day, but it’s still nice to see Greenspan receive this minuscule measure of comeuppance, for all the good that it does those who lost everything in the 2007 greed-fest.

November 21, 2014, 8:45 am

Thank you all who posted the music. A much needed soothing reminder that we have much more in common than differences as HUMANS.

I’ve really never met a Muslim who disparaged/disrespected Christianity nor Judaism… and I’ve met a lot of folks.

Thanks to all, my bookmark folder became fuller. :)

November 21, 2014, 8:42 am

just ~

Sorry to get all rational on you. I know your questions were more or less rhetorical cries for justice which echo down the halls of congress, unanswered.

;((( indeed.

November 21, 2014, 8:35 am

ethereal. thanks, Walid.

November 21, 2014, 8:28 am

“The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

“We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”

Netanyahu reportedly made the comments during a conference at Bar-Ilan University on the division of Jerusalem as part of a peace deal with the Palestinians.”

link to haaretz.com

November 21, 2014, 8:17 am

as for disrespecting religion, etc. check this out:

“The attempted arson came only a week after a group of settlers attacked the village and torched a mosque as well as 12 copies of the Qur’an, Islam’s holy book, in an incident that sparked widespread Palestinian fury.

According to Palestinian Religious Endowments Minister Yousef Adeis, in October alone Israeli settlers carried out 110 separate attacks on religious sites across the Palestinian territories.”
– See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

h/t Walid.

November 21, 2014, 8:10 am

Walid, that was absolutely wonderful. It is so moving. I loved it! I must send it to all my friends.
This is what I want to see happen in the world, the coming together of religions, in song, in verse, whatever it takes. Thank you for posting.

November 21, 2014, 8:06 am

“people around here think, for the most part, that religion is evil, particularly the jewish religion”

total, unmitigated bs.

November 21, 2014, 6:50 am


That Christian/Muslim video is zay el eshta as they say in umadunia. A sign of what can be.
Like the polar opposite of Zionism. Such a miserable runt of a political culture.

Jewish history has all been about sharing with other cultures- where did the food develop out of, FFS ? Was it all written down in the Torah ?

Nothing like cooking spices in schmaltz and then throwing in a few onions to bring out the flavour- why did Judaism become so insular ?

In a similar vein to Tania here’s a Hindu/Muslim celebration

Nusrat Fatih ali Khan (Pakistani) sings a song about the Hindu God Krishna in Urdu
link to youtube.com

link to en.wikipedia.org

Sanson Ki Mala Pe (literally: On the rosary of breath) is a bhajan originally sung by Meerabai (c. 1498 – c. 1557 AD), a Rajput princess and a Hindu mystic from Rajasthan in praise of Lord Krishna. The song has been sung by many famous artists, and is one of the most popular songs of legendary vocalist, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and was first played by Khan when he first visited India in 1979.

November 21, 2014, 6:32 am


Yeah, but he was tainted with colonialist blood , his father being a colonel in the BA.The Family moved to Switzerland when he was young so he spent precious little time in Ireland .

Notable !.

“In 1874, at age 24, Kitchener was assigned by the Palestine Exploration Fund to a mapping-survey of the Holy Land, replacing Charles Tyrwhitt-Drake, who had died of malaria.[5] Kitchener, then an officer in the Royal Engineers, joined fellow Royal Engineer Claude R. Conder, and between 1874 and 1877 they surveyed what is today Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, returning to England only briefly in 1875 after an attack by locals in the Galilee, at Safed.[5]”wiki.

November 21, 2014, 6:00 am

More fun and games by the settlers yesterday, especially about the relaxing of gun control, which should substantially increase the number of Palestinians getting shot, from al-Akhbar:

“Palestinians briefly capture settlers as Israel continues to demolish homes

Published Friday, November 21, 2014

A group of young Palestinian men managed Thursday morning to capture two Israeli settlers planning an attack after they entered the northern West Bank village of Qusra, a Palestinian official said, as Israel continues to demolish Palestinian homes.

Ghassan Daghlas, an official who monitors settlement-related activities in the northern West Bank, told Ma’an news agency that the settlers came from the nearby illegal Israeli outpost Yesh Kodish.

Daghlas said dozens of Palestinian youths from Qusra detained the two for more than half an hour before officers from the Palestinian liaison department took the settlers and handed them to the Israeli liaison department.

On Wednesday, Palestinians were able to prevent a group of Israeli settlers attempting to burn down a house in the village of al-Mughayyir east of Ramallah in the occupied West Bank.

According to locals, dozens of settlers approached a house on the outskirts of the village and were about to set it on fire when they were spotted by villagers who started throwing rocks at them.

Settlers were forced to retreat to their nearby settlement under the protection of Israeli soldiers.

The attempted arson came only a week after a group of settlers attacked the village and torched a mosque as well as 12 copies of the Qur’an, Islam’s holy book, in an incident that sparked widespread Palestinian fury.

According to Palestinian Religious Endowments Minister Yousef Adeis, in October alone Israeli settlers carried out 110 separate attacks on religious sites across the Palestinian territories.

Hate crimes by Israeli settlers against Palestinians and their property, referred to as “price tag” attacks, are systematic and often abetted by Israeli authorities, who rarely intervene in the violent attacks or prosecute the perpetrators.

In a move that will further escalate violence, Israeli Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch announced on Tuesday that Israeli authorities are to ease regulations on Israelis carrying weapons for “self-defense,” raising fears that the number of attacks on Palestinians will increase.

“In the coming hours, I will ease restrictions on carrying weapons,” he said in remarks broadcast on public radio, indicating it would apply to any Israeli with a license to carry a gun, such as private security guards and off-duty army officers…”

November 21, 2014, 3:47 am

Netanyahu almost got it right: “this is the root of the conflict: …Terrorism has followed us through all the years of the Zionist enterprise” Terrorism got you into this fine mess. It led you there, and then you elected the major perpetrators like Shamir and Begin to be your Prime Ministers. The landmarks along your road are acts of terror – numerous assassinations (like Lord Moyne and Count Bernadotte), numerous bombings (like the King David and Semiramis Hotels), numerous massacres (like Deir Yassin, 1948, Qibya, 1953, Khan Younis, 1955, Kafr Qasim, 1956, Sabra and Shatila 1982, right up to Gaza, 2014), numerous acts of sabotage and false flag operations, like the Lavon Affair and the onslaught on the USS Liberty). Is it really that surprising that those who choose to live by the sword and the bomb also sometimes die that way?

November 21, 2014, 3:37 am

Annie, in the video you posted, Tania Kassis sings about Jerusalem being the city of the cross, the crescent and the star. Among the scenes in the video, is one of Jews at the wailing wall.

Getting back to the Ave Maria video, if you look close enough, you’d see that the star is also represented. I think the third religion was subliminally represented and rightly so since it was the fountainhead of the other two. Maybe it’s wishful thinking on my part.

Annie Robbins
November 21, 2014, 3:22 am

thank you kay, really beautiful

November 21, 2014, 3:08 am

Captain George (Doron Zahavi) now has a desk job, in charge of liaison with Arabs for the Jerusalem police dept. After the court case against him by Mustafa Dirani for rape, he was moved from his post as torturer-in-chief in the IDF’s special 504 intelligence unit to the desk job in Jerusalem.

November 21, 2014, 2:55 am

John, great reporting. You mentioned guns everywhere; seems that in Hebron, all settlers over the age of 18 without a police record get a semi-automatic rifle from the government for free. I’m guessing this is happening all over the West Bank. Now apparently gun laws are being relaxed for Jerusalem:

Annie Robbins
November 21, 2014, 2:54 am

there has never been an independent Palestinian Arab state in history.

independent of what? an occupation? so what?

November 21, 2014, 2:45 am

Surely this is a Holy Land, and Jerusalem is the holiest of holies within this land – doesn’t trashing apartments and pissing on mattresses desecrate that holiness and insult the divinity that supposedly resides there? Increasingly one can only regard the state of Israel as suffering fro Tourette’s Syndrome (“an inherited neuro-psychiatric disorder with onset in childhood characterised by multiple motor and phonic disorders”.) Unfortunately there is no cure, but certain therapies prove helpful: ” Education is an important part of any treatment plan, and explanation and reassurance alone are often sufficient treatment”. Keep up the good work Mondoweiss!

November 21, 2014, 2:31 am

Wow thanks Annie

Most of us here were probably unaware of that. Israelis killing Palestinians has become part of the peace and calm, but every time Palestinian kill Jews, it’s a pogrom.

Annie Robbins
November 21, 2014, 2:27 am

Tania Kassis “people of the world – save jerusalem”

Annie Robbins
November 21, 2014, 2:25 am

light, you can’t spam the site. i cleared this comment here because it was the first time i saw it. but that doesn’t mean you can post the same comment/video on every thread. stop spamming.

Annie Robbins
November 21, 2014, 1:58 am

there’s so much wrong with this speech i wouldn’t know where to begin. but did he just claim that last september (2014)
“15 palestinians drowned in the sea trying to escape the claws of hamas” (19:15 min.)

i missed that in the news. do you have a link?

November 21, 2014, 1:54 am

And why would this be an acceptable comment here, especially in light of Phil’s recent post on Maher’s religious slander of Muslims?

I suggest you take that back TB. I have never and would never slander any faith or religion, let alone members of that faith. However when Christians cite the bible, or Muslims cite the Quaran, or Jews cite the Talmud as evidence of their claims, then they deserve to be held accountable to everything that book contains not just the cherry picked passages that suit them.

I used to attend Bible studies in my 20s, who when BIble bashers come knocking at my door, I rarely shy away from quoting all the passages that contradict the arguments they are peddling and send them on their way.

November 21, 2014, 1:53 am

What does never again mean?

Never again for us; for the rest of my sisters and brothers, not so much.

November 21, 2014, 1:51 am

You would like Deek’s massage, Light2014, he begins by saying the Palestinians were lied to by the Arabs when they told them to flee and his other opening line about 800,000 Jews having been chased from Arab countries. The rest of his pro-Zionist speech is of no consequence.

Your man is the Vice-Ambassador for Israel. There was nothing brave about his grandfather’s decision; the man is a coward. Deek is bragging how an Israeli got his grandfather back into Israel and got him his job back at the electricity company, but he doesn’t say if he got him his house back.

For anyone that doesn’t believe there are Arab Zionists, this is a good view to learn.

November 21, 2014, 1:47 am

George Deek, an Arab Israeli, addressing a conference in Oslo ,Norway in Sept. 2014.
His family has lived in Jaffa for centuries.
In this video he relates the experiences of his family especially his grandfather’s brave decision .
He outlines the path hearts and minds should take to reach a better life for all sides.


link to youtu.be

November 21, 2014, 1:37 am

(like whether the meat from a defiled animal remans Halal).

November 21, 2014, 1:36 am

According to Rabbi David Duke and others who because they want to show the evilness of Jews and Judaism, take a debate format about many subjects (including creepy ones) and make it into a proto-Protocols of Zion rule book, yes.

A similar thing is done to Islamic scholarship on unsavoury subjects (like whether the meat from a defiled animal that has been defiled) etc.. Its fodder for quote cutting ignoramuses and bigot.

And, why John do you find this funny? And why would this be an acceptable comment here, especially in light of Phil’s recent post on Maher’s religious slander of Muslims?

November 21, 2014, 1:33 am

Even if the meek were to inherit the earth, they wouldn’t have the guts to accept it.

November 21, 2014, 1:30 am

Bandolero, Sheen lost sight of the initial purpose of the invitation and went after the guy like a raging bull. It was a disservice to the group that invited them, to Max, to the Palestinians and to himself.

Same could be said of the cousins that went on a rampage in the synagogue; it was wrong. Had they gone after military people or places, there would have been merit in what they did and actual heroes to their people. That too was a disservice to the Palestinian cause.

November 21, 2014, 1:29 am

Need I remind you that the plan was rejected by the Arab side?

Need I remind you that Ben Gueuin declared the partition. To be only a temporary stepping stone toward conquering g the rest of Palestine, and that he vowed to abolish the partition once the Jewish forces were sufficiently well armed?

Interested Bystander
November 21, 2014, 1:24 am

Donald: You are correct that I’m imposing an interpretation on Remnick’s piece that is implicit in its structure, and not fully articulated. As a loyal Remnick reader friend of mine said, “He’s just being journalistic and reporting the lay of the land across a broad spectrum.” But I think there’s a purpose to all this dog-whistling. The same can be said of Shavit. I read both of them not as breaking taboos, but as piercing boils. The structure of “My Promised Land” and this article are not accidental–they are aimed at a defense of the Jewish state that privileges Jews over all others in light of some very hard truths. If I’ve misinterpreted Remnick he can say so. As Phil’s brother in law says, a commitment to Enlightenment values is not complicated. You’re either for them, or you’re willing to chuck them overboard in order to maintain a Jewish state even if it means denying rights to half the population, denying the vote to millions, controlling millions through military rule, electronic surveillance, house demolitions, blackmail, etc. a la Unit 8200.

November 21, 2014, 1:22 am

George Deek, an Arab Israeli, addressing a conference in Oslo ,Norway in Sept. 2014.
His family has lived in Jaffa for centuries.
In this video he relates the experiences of his family especially his grandfather’s brave decision .
He outlines the path hearts and minds should take to reach a better life for all sides.

link to youtu.be

Annie Robbins
November 21, 2014, 12:41 am

this is seriously addicting. i highly recommend listening to this on full screen. i’m bookmarking this.

Annie Robbins
November 21, 2014, 12:32 am

this is so beautiful walid, i am listening now

November 21, 2014, 12:32 am

” the idea that a people has a special right to exist”

What is the basis for this alleged right?

November 21, 2014, 12:26 am

You’ll surely like this too, Kay, a simultaneous muezzin’s call to prayer with the Ave Maria sung by the Lebanese Tania Kassis and meuzzins Farès Massad and Maan Zakaria at the Olympia; in Lebanon on very special occasions, you can hear the moving overlapping chime of the church bells with the calls from the mosques:

November 21, 2014, 12:18 am

” I genuinely believe what I say about Islam and other religions.”

but on the basis of what knowledge? and her book is no “apologia”, virulent ignorance is a poor basis for “belief”, however “genuine”.

November 21, 2014, 12:13 am

@ American

Jim Webb is the right person; you’re right –all that sort of ilk hate him.

November 21, 2014, 12:11 am

“I bet most of the people in this room don’t even know anything happened in Indonesia in 1965.”

Old Australians know damn well that Suharto killed thousands. We remember it.

November 21, 2014, 12:09 am

‘This, she suggested, was in part the significance of assigning Wiesel’s memoir Night to “generations of children”: “so they can learn the uniquely unspeakable history of the Holocaust itself.”’

She wants them to learn history from a piece of fiction?

November 21, 2014, 12:03 am

Meir David Kahane =Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab.

link to en.wikipedia.org
link to en.wikipedia.org

November 21, 2014, 12:02 am

“As for the Palestinians “celebrating”, did anyone mention the Israelis having parties on hilltops as they watched and celebrated the bombs over Gaza???”

The last time it was mentioned, some people – can’t imagine who they were – took offense.

link to newobserveronline.com
link to abc.net.au

November 21, 2014, 12:01 am

I agree with most of your criticisms–maybe all of them, but I wouldn’t have had the energy to go through it like you did. All the same, I took a somewhat more positive attitude towards the article–he mentions a very large number of issues (and people) that one never sees cited in American liberal ZIonist outlets (like the NYT). Just mentioning Meron Benvenisti is a plus–I doubt many New Yorker readers (among us gentiles anyway) even knew who he was. I have his book from 14 years ago, “Sacred Landscapes”, which is very good, but I can’t recall ever seeing it referenced. There have been a number of very good books on the I/P conflict, but they make little or no impact on the broader American debate because the mainstream press generally avoids talking about them or the issues they raise. Remnick broke some taboos.

Though, yes, he does recite a number of standard liberal Zionist shibboleths which are intended to take away most of the blame from Israel. Once again, it seems, peace and happiness could have broken out if only Arafat or Abbas had accepted the generous offers in 2000/2008.

November 20, 2014, 11:53 pm

Honk if you love Apartheid.

… And a great honking cacophony erupts in israel.

November 20, 2014, 11:48 pm

Yes, so winsomely beautiful…

November 20, 2014, 11:30 pm

Greenspan? He greatly underestimated the power of unleashed greed. He didn’t fully imagine what those Ivy League Wall St crackerjack kids would do with derivatives, nor, earlier, what was bound to happen with no wall between commercial and investment banking coupled with government desires for poor folk to own their own home, most especially urban poor folk.

November 20, 2014, 11:25 pm



November 20, 2014, 11:24 pm

lololol. ahem.

November 20, 2014, 11:22 pm

Thanks for responding Lefty. Glad you thought my little vid about the issue was worthwhile. And since it’s not my goal to create these little things in a vacuum, I really appreciate you having “tweeted about it.” Thanks.

Yeah, agree to disagree on Sheen’s intent/meaning is fine. When I get a chance to interview him I’ll grill him on the issue of “Germans not being able to disagree w/ Jews” for ya :)

I found the latest article by Evelyn Hecht-Galinski you mentioned. Unfortunately, I don’t speak/read German and the “Google Translation” of the page was basically crap. So I can’t discuss that one. This argument you say she makes: “German politicians and journalists are non-Jews. That’s why their definition of anti-Semitism is incorrect. I am a Jew. That’s why my definition of anti-Semitism is correct.” It’s obviously ridiculous. And, if she’s a smart woman, as you yourself say she is, it’s hard to believe she’d have written such blunt nonsense. But I’ll have to take your word for it…

Next time any Jew, Zionist or not, tells you he/she has the right to define anti-Semitism and you don’t because they’re Jewish and you’re not, simply ask them to to give you their own quick definition of it. Dollars to donuts you get a deer in the headlights look for ’bout 5 seconds, then a request to change the subject…

November 20, 2014, 11:19 pm



November 20, 2014, 11:17 pm


I still wonder how much of this is due to the leftists being sincerely pro-Palestinian and how much is due simply to weaken their opponents.

I can assure you that the parlementarians who invited Max & David did that simply because they are pro human rights and they think Israel is very much anti human rights. Some of them are timid, but all of them would have a lot easier life if they would adhere to the demands of the Israel lobby, but their conscience puts them to confront Israel. They are a very tiny faction in German politics. Most others go for money and fame, instead of justice.

Disclosure: I had some conversations with one of those politicians who invited Max & David a while ago. Had I known they invited Max & David I think maybe I could have helped them to avoid this displeasure. Those who invited Max & David are very much on the same page as Max & David, but sadly the event to promote their common views didn’t run well. It weakened those who invited Max & David. I’m sure it wasn’t the intention of Max & David, and neither the intention of those who invited them, so I think better communication would have been essential to get a better result.

November 20, 2014, 11:17 pm

Many thanks, Chu. The video that you linked to link to blogs.forward.com is extremely funny.

Ami Horowitz, a “media personality,” is shown at UC-Berkeley, doing an experiment with flags to determine which–Israel or ISIL–students hate more.

November 20, 2014, 11:14 pm

“he’s a bloviator just.”


November 20, 2014, 10:54 pm

Unfortunately, I don’t think USA will turn in time to prevent evolution of US enabled I-P to WW3. The Palestinians are not useful to the plutocratic elite that runs the USA, which itself is fast becoming a big banana republic.

November 20, 2014, 10:53 pm

RE: And when Juan Gonzales asks Amira Hass, how she would characterize the tensions in recent weeks in Jerusalem, (not days mind you, not in the last few days since the synagogue killings, but the build up over the last few weeks) she says the police are “everywhere….daily confrontations with the police. There is more police, or there are more confrontations.” ~ Annie Robbins

MY COMMENT: Israel’s Likudnik commissars agreed several weeks ago* to carry out a campaign of collective punishment against the Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians in East Jerusalem. The collective punishments agreed to did not include deportations (apparently due to resistance from Israel’s Attorney General, Yehuda Weinstein) but Netanyahu is quite likely applying pressure in an effort to get Attorney General Weinstein’s approval (so that Weinstein can be blamed if Israel ends up in the dock at the International Criminal Court at the Hague).

* SEE: “Netanyahu tries to deport Arab-Jerusalemites to Gaza”, By MEMO, November 07, 2014

[EXCERPT] Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu seeks to move Arab Jerusalemites to the Gaza Strip to reduce tensions in the occupied city, an Israeli newspaper has claimed.
According to Yedioth Ahronoth, during an emergency meeting held by Netanyahu on Wednesday evening, there was a feeling that a “new and effective security operation” should be embarked upon, “something that changes the rules of the game at once, otherwise we will enter into an Intifada”. They agreed that “what doesn’t succeed using force, succeeds using greater force!”
The newspaper added that the head of the Shin Bet Yoram Cohen, who supports Netanyahu’s plan, has the hardline approach to the situation in Jerusalem. It said he is ” strongly convinced by the effectiveness of [collective] punishments: the imposition of prison sentences and fines for parents whose children throw stones, the demolition of houses, deportation to the Gaza Strip, the collection of taxes by force.”
The Israeli police headquarters, the newspaper reported, supports Cohen’s position, as does the Mayor of Jerusalem Nir Barkat.
Israel’s Attorney General, Yehuda Weinstein, opposed the idea of collective punishment, saying he is not convinced that the imposition of such sanctions on relatives and neighbours would be a deterrence, and it may have the reverse effect: “The escalation of hatred and the search for revenge.”
During the recent war on Gaza, Weinstein supported plans to deport top Hamas leaders from the West Bank to Gaza.
Recent discussions held at the Israeli Ministry of Justice, with the participation of top experts in international law, concluded with the decision that “deportation is not possible”, because such a step would put Israel in the dock at the International Criminal Court in the Hague.
Subsequently, Weinstein summoned Professor Yoram Dinstein, an expert in international law who holds right-wing views, he told the Shin Bet chief: “You should not even think about deportation.”
Netanyahu asked Weinstein to respond regarding the deportation of Jerusalemites to Gaza, to which the latter replied: “Do not put pressure on me. If you force me to answer, the answer will be negative.”
The newspaper said that during deliberations yesterday, Netanyahu broached the subject again and Weinstein said that “the subject is complex and thorny”. Netanyahu asked: “Do you still think about it?” Weinstein replied: “Yes.”

SOURCE – link to jfjfp.com

November 20, 2014, 10:27 pm

talknic November 11, 2014, 7:55 am
@ Mikhael

“When and if a Palestinian Arabs state arises (for the first time in history),”

You’re at least 92 years late and full of bullsh*t!

LoN Covenant Article 22 link to pages.citebite.com

LoN Mandate FOR Palestine 1st line link to pages.citebite.com

According to your weird wonderful and warped theory the League of Nations recognized something that didn’t exist.

The League of Nations authorized the creation of a Mandate.
You’re too stupid to even understand what the text you copy/paste means. You highlighted language from the LoN Covenant stating “Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone.” (1) You seem not to understand what the word provisionally means and (2) seem to think that the creation of a colonial Mandate means that “Palestine” was a recognized independent Arab state, yet the text from the LoN Covenant you highlighted says no such thing. Then you quote the text from the actual Mandate which states ” the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine”. How is that evidence of the League of Nations recognizing the a sovereign, independent Palestinian state (and certainly not a Palestinian Arab state) that was formed 92 years ago?
Just as I said, there has never been an independent Palestinian Arab state in history. Not ever. Not yet. Of course, since I am a believer in the right of people to self-define and seek political self-determination, I am a great supporter of the non-Jewish Arabic-speaking population forming the first ever Palestinian Arab state in history, on part of the disputed territory that was formerly occupied by Jordan between 1949-1967, possibly including Gaza, which has beeb completely free of Israeli occupation (to the extent that it existed) since 2005, and possibly having some kind of political federation or confederation with current Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

Annie Robbins
November 20, 2014, 9:59 pm

and one more thing norm, how do you know they killed “in deep-seated hatred” for jews? maybe, they sincerely like them because they were civilians and were just trying to get the israeli citizens to change the regime and choose better leaders. i mean isn’t that israel’s excuse for slaughtering thousand of palestinians? pound them with bombs and they’ll choose better leaders? or do you think israel slaughtered so many palestinians because of the “deep-seated hatred” of all their soldiers and their government? or could it be you can only see inside of the mind of palestinians and not israelis. do tell norm.

November 20, 2014, 9:58 pm

And how do you see that happening when the Israelis have nukes and the US and the special interests are behind them?

Annie Robbins
November 20, 2014, 9:48 pm

Those who kill pious rabbis in cold blood in deep-seated hatred of the Jews have forfeited the right to a state.

well since they are dead now that’s sort of a moot point. or do you advocate assigning blame and retribution to all jews for the actions of one, or two?

btw, i saw a tweet yesterday that might interest you.

yonah fredman
November 20, 2014, 9:36 pm

Op ed from ynet writer calling for elections to replace Netanyahu:
link to ynetnews.com

yonah fredman
November 20, 2014, 9:26 pm

the idea of separation of church and state is such an easy phrase to attract americans who favor the separation of church and state in america. jerusalem and the middle east is really not about the separation of church and state. the different churches: meaning mosque and synagogue, need to learn how to share and that is something more basic than the separation of church and state, a phrase that is convenient but basically irrelevant. it isn’t coming soon, but the ideal of jerusalem has little to do with separation of church and state and much to do with learning to share.

Annie Robbins
November 20, 2014, 9:26 pm

invoked by every single Arab leader since 1948

can you link to musharraf. can you link to murarak. can you link to Bakr al-Baghdadi. what about abdullah of jordan.

and what’s ‘every’ arab leader got to do with the leader of the cruel sadistic oppressive apartheid government ruling over jerusalem go to do with any of them anyway? are you comparing the leader of a country backed by the superpower with ..whom?

he’s a bloviator just.

yonah fredman
November 20, 2014, 9:22 pm

It is time for netanyahu to go, to quit, to be voted out by Likud or for Likud to be voted out of office. they/we will probably get someone more right wing than bibi (meaning: bibi made the bar ilan speech of 2009 and he who will follow bibi will disavow that speech, although bibi’s speech was not serious.) but that is better than bibi. someone fresh will give a chance for jerusalem to get a breather. it won’t last long, because the basic right wing policy is really the problem rather than bibi’s personality, but we need a break from bibi. he must go.

just a personal note: my brother who is ultra orthodox knew three of the victims of tuesday’s attack. the attack on the train stop that took place two weeks ago, is three hundred yards from my parents’ apartment. even the hagana train station in tel aviv where a soldier was killed a few weeks ago is somewhere that i have personally used. i have lived five years or more of my life in Jerusalem. i don’t think that because i have a personal stake in jerusalem that my political conclusions are more valid than those who have spent in total less than half a year in jerusalem, but it does mean that as a human i have particularly feelings that are aroused by these attacks and therefore increased sensitivity to the insensitivity of an idiot like bibi and also to the insensitivity of many of the commentators here.

November 20, 2014, 9:15 pm

Your current UN Ambassador (almost ALL US Ambassadors are) is Jewish. Non-contest, I’m afraid.

November 20, 2014, 9:06 pm

Great news! The U.S. should not be supporting war profiteers and religious supremacists, no matter how deluded some Americans are.

November 20, 2014, 9:02 pm

Maher constantly slams Christianity and Islam with such a broad brush; so it’s really annoying as he is very alert to even the slightest remote and indirectly implied imaginary generalization about Jews or Judaism.

November 20, 2014, 9:00 pm

hyperbole, much? you are funny, though.

sort of like NormanF above…

November 20, 2014, 8:51 pm

so now they bomb the houses of innocents in Jerusalem, too. and then the uniformed human animals urinate on a mattress to add further insult.

your pictures are haunting– but the one of the mom has haunted me since I saw it earlier today, and her words, “When they demolished, with the bomb, I felt like I can’t stand on my legs. Until now I can’t stand,”, do too.

I am sorry for the loss of Mohammed Siam~ RIP little child. I read about it yesterday, Allison, and remember your story here:

link to mondoweiss.net

November 20, 2014, 8:43 pm

It works because Israel owns the political process in the US and also owns most of the world’s most influential media outlets.

It becomes difficult to get messages, critical of Israel, across to the general public because such stories are nixed by politicians and media bosses from the get-go.

Why, in this day and age, people are so afraid of being labelled “anti-Semite” is beyond me.

If being called an “anti-Semite” means I am a caring, honest person, working toward the end of oppression of the Arab peoples by Israel and the re-introduction of free-speech into our communities, I wear the label as a badge of honour.


November 20, 2014, 8:39 pm

This is the same Netanyahu who said of the Iraq war – “…this war is good for Israel.”

This is also the same Netanyahu who Ariel Sharon told “A liar you were and a liar you remain.”

November 20, 2014, 8:36 pm

For goodness sake, Norman. Where do you get this nonsense? Israel is nothing more than an ethnocentric, brutal, apartheid war-like nation, doing everything it can to push every non-Jew out of the land they stole in 1948 (and to continue to steal each day).

Most of the “Jews” living in “Israel” have NO historical or ethnic connection with the original Jews of Judea. NONE. They are mostly Europeans whose earlier leader decided that “from this day forward, we shall follow Judaism.”

There is NO God-given “right” to Palestine.

I lived in Haifa for years and travelled widely in the Middle-East and I can tell you your comment about Jews being harshly treated in Arab nations is a nonsense. Jews in Iran, as an example are treated MUCH better than non-Jewish Israelis.

If you are unable to identify the wrongs being perpetrated against the non-Jews by Israel, it’s time for you to up your meds.

God bless


November 20, 2014, 8:27 pm

“Shekels being used to get Pollard out of shackles”

brilliant. i’m stealing it, if i may.

a blah chick
November 20, 2014, 8:25 pm

“If the Arabs don’t like it, they’re always free to leave Israel. No one is forcing them to stay there.”

That’s for sure!

May I commend you for your posting. That someone living in the 21st century can dispense 19th century wisdom so effortlessly is truly amazing. How do you do it? Drugs or time travel?

November 20, 2014, 8:21 pm


I have been hoping so for a long time now~ especially when not one dem stood up and against the Gaza massacre.

thanks, American.

a blah chick
November 20, 2014, 8:17 pm

His “excuse” was that he had not intended for the students to get the message. He was sending it out to others on another forum and the students got it by mistake.

So I guess that’s…better?

November 20, 2014, 8:17 pm

NormanF: “The massacre at Har Nof is a game changer for the Jewish State


No, the game remains the same. Expand; expel.

November 20, 2014, 8:16 pm

anything is possible, for sure.

November 20, 2014, 8:13 pm

that was in response to your comment @ 3:54, seafoid.

thx for the video as well.

November 20, 2014, 8:11 pm

well said, seafoid.

November 20, 2014, 8:10 pm

oh, thank you Kay…

November 20, 2014, 8:06 pm

shukran, Kate. so beautiful, so true. this is truly a treasure.

brings tears & more…