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RE: "Oh boy, we're going to get railroaded into another lost before it began war because these nitwits are calling another patriotism challenge..." ~ comment
MY COMMENT: I think we should bring back the old-fashioned "pis*ing contest" as a replacement for the "patriotism challenge".
Political reporters are starting to say Obama may be vulnerable because of the rise in the price of gasoline.
If that is such an important issue, shouldn't it affect Americans' attitude towards the confrontation with Iran that is causing the rise in price?
You're ignoring the harm resulting from the devaluation of the value of the passports of the countries whose passports are misused. That could well result in harm to other innocent holders of passports from those countries.
wow.
Hillary Leverett and Michael Rubin discussed US-Iran relations here
Leverett said Iranians are always willing to negotiate; Rubin said, "But they are not capable of negotiating like Westerners because they didn't have the Enlightenment," and "businessmen negotiate to get to yes; Iranians negotiate to get to maybe," and, "Iranians are willing to talk but never willing to do what we want."
Leverett said, "That's right, Iranians don't want to be dominated by US hegemon."
Palestinians have been patient but they don't want to be dominated, either.
Israelis -- like Rubin -- just don't get it.
PS. the notion that Rubin is the exemplar of Enlightenment thinking makes me wanna holler.
RE: "Rust never sleeps." ~ Annie Robbins
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Timing is everything.
The assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh in Dubai took place on Jan. 19, 2010. The phony passports used: 12 British, six Irish, four French, one German, and four Australian.
"the movement is growing"
Last night on BBC4 I watched the last episode of this documentary series about the fight against apartheid in South Africa.
link to clarityfilms.org
I'm not sure how you would get to watch it in the US but I can't recommend it highly enough.
Reading everyday about the awful reality in Palestine I sometimes feel extremely pessimistic. After watching this series I had a momentary burst of extreme optimism!
There are many parallels to the contemporary struggle of the Palestinians in this series and I'm convinced they are not by accident. It feels like one of those cases where you use one example which is currently acceptable in the discourse to speak of another that is currently taboo.
Check it out people, it's inspiring.
It will be interesting to see if this does happen. He's surely being used to convey Obama's real views.
RE: "Well, think about it, what if Israel lost in 1967..." ~ Krauss
QUESTION: Then why did Israel start the war?
FROM WIKIPEDIA:
SOURCE - link to en.wikipedia.org
ANSWER: It is all about maintaining the "Iron Wall" so that Israel can unilaterally decide its boundaries.
FROM WIKIPEDIA [Iron Wall (essay)]:
SOURCE - link to en.wikipedia.org
ALSO: The Iron Wall, Vladimir (Ze'ev) Jabotinsky, 1923 - link to mideastweb.org
AND SEE: The Dilemmas of Israeli Power, by Roger Cohen, New York Times Op-Ed, 2/13/12
ENTIRE OP-ED - link to nytimes.com
Thank you so much Phil for sharing this interview. Doraed Hassona not allowed to worship in Jerusalem or visit the beach in his own homeland!
At some point the behavior of the anti-BDS Zionist lynch mob crosses the boundary into moral turpitude, and Gutman has an ethical obligation to start dismissal procedures.
wonderful comment NC.
Just in today - Elena Kagan sides with the right wing justices on Miranda
link to salon.com
And Russ Feingold says the killing of Anwar Al Awlaki "pleased" him:
link to huffingtonpost.com
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This is what it means to be "liberal" in America
And just who controls all those polls that imply support for Israel and war anyway?
Bleat bleat go the sheeple,ding ding rings the war bell,hee hee go the politicians,and we end up in our home made prison cell.
If one isn't enraged,pissed and mad as hell,one must be comatose.
wow, it's really interesting to me this issue is still hot news on penn's campus weeks after the conference. also note these strong reactions are not authored by the students.
from bernstein's article:
The big picture is that the anti-Israel groups have failed by and large to enact their anti-Israel agenda on campus. Not a single mainstream university has divested funds from Israel.
this sounds awfully familiar. we have a poster here 'boycott israel on campus' that keeps reminding us of this over and over. it's not for lack of trying is all i can say. i'm reminded of that aipac address to students saying they will get pro israel students elected and who doesn't remember what came down @ berkeley? i was reading this morning about everygreen college. the movement is growing. the conference was fantastic and at full capacity.
great report! please keep us informed if there are any more articles in the daily penn sarah.
Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is the great Jewish question of our age. (It's other things besides of course.)
Growing up in Israel, I feel like the more attached I became to an overtly 'Jewish' identity, the angrier I became at the damage Israel was doing to it. The more Jewish I feel, the more anti-Zionist. And strangely, the more Jewish the more I want Israel to overcome it's roots and treat all citizens with full equality (or even, affirmative action that begins the long process of reconciliation with Palestinians.)
There's a growing community in the Jewish world that fears more for the 'Jewish soul' than for the security of the state of Israel. Beinart represents it well.
(Whatever the Jewish soul is.... don't ask me!)
Are there responses in DP to these pro-Zionism responses to BDS?
In fact I understand the Holocaust survivor mentality: if you regard Israel and ALL its doings as proper responses to Jewish vulnerability, then any attack on ANY of its doings (e.g., BDS) is re-raising all the fears of a vulnerable victim of Nazis. (Could this, rather mysteriously, be NF's problem with BDS?)
But BDS people must be resolute: they cannot allow grave and unlawful mistreatment of Palestinians in OPTs go un-resisted merely to save the FEELINGS of Holocaust survivors, however unfortunate those people have been and however unfortunate their BDS-induced pain may be.
Their pain is nothing compared to the pain of the Palestinians. Especially in law and ethics. When they say "Don't say ill of Israel because it makes me feel bad," they are saying that the law and H/R ethics should be ignored merely to spare their feelings.
Better they should tell Israel to behave in a way they can be proud of, in a way that makes BDS unnecessary. That too would help to spare their feelings, for criticism of Israel would die away.
Thanks Sarah. The big question is, when planning for the "BDS 2013" or "BDS 2014" conference begins and President Amy Gutman is asked to approve a student request for on-campus space, will she be scared off because of the memories of Ruben Gur and Prof. Glickson's inflammatory smears.
In that light, I guess the pro-justice and pro-equal rights side should still be submitting letters to the Daily Pennsylvanian, even retrospectively. Maybe JVP National should submit a retrospective letter of support for Penn's hosting the event?
I noticed some of the guys from the Documentary "Israel: Rise of the Right" in the crowd of racist settlers shouting at Zoabi. Nice to see they're still doin' their thing. Puke.
If he means Judaization of any part of occupied territory (e.g., East Jerusalem), the scandal is international do-nothing-ism. The USA is hopeless but where are Turkey, Brazil, India, (Pakistan, Iran, Cuba, the Arab states, other South American states)? where are the draft UNSC resolutions condemning, ordering a stop, -- and being visibly shot down by USA?
This is NYT. Hope Jon Stewart gets the idea by now.
If young Jews are comfortable with Israel or not is.......disgustingly trivial and arrogant. That is not and should not be the main focus of this debate.
why? first off i don't think beinart's 'focus of debate' is whether or not the youths are alienated from zionism or israel. i think that is a corner stone of his argument, a given, a key point. challenging that main premise is a way of cutting off the debate and shutting down the discussion which i presume is why tip, aice (and whoever else, the goi as far as i know) hired a rtwg polling company specializing in getting the right kind of results to cut him off at the pass.
i don't think it is trivial at all nor do i think it is disgusting. could you elaborate on why you come to this conclusion. do you think the youth of today will have a conversion towards more attachment to zionism and israel as they age?
It will be good if Beinart takes "heat" if it is LOUD, PUBLIC heat. Private heat is useless. Also, the whole thing might be a distraction from the NYT's (and others') refusal to TELL THE FACTS (FROM "THE OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN GROUND").
Thus, it'll be good if Beinart's defense includes telling WHY USA's Jews are distancing themselves from Israel. To say that they ARE DISTANCING themselves and not explain WHY will be a bit unhelpful. I look forward to reading the book.
Seems the book does exactly that. Per review of Isi Leibler:
I’ve read fairly good statistical reports that basically lays out the claim that disconnection to Zionism is in large part a result of a disconnect to Judaism
do you have one of those reports? re the poll, check out my comment upthread.
Krauss: "I don’t think the Mossad would have the nerve to steal the ID of a genuine Gentile, living abroad"
Israeli immigration officials copied British passports used by hit squad, ministers told
One more thing.
I have issues in which even the critique is framed in a 'But Is It Good For the Jooos?' kind of way. That's still too narrow and ethnocentric. Israel should be held to a universal(and not a double) standard. And in my opinion, from that point you judge the de facto and de jure Apartheid in the West Bank and increasingly even in Israel proper(denying Arabs inside Israel to marry other Arabs from the West Bank in a clear racial Apartheid law, allowing communities to reject Arabs(but phrased in ways such as 'maintaining the social cohesion) on muddy grounds for muddy reasons in popular votes and so forth).
If young Jews are comfortable with Israel or not is, in the light of the brutal oppression of racial minorities, disgustingly trivial and arrogant. That is not and should not be the main focus of this debate.
Joining the IDF/IOF looks like loyalty (and indeed like FIRST loyalty) to Israel. Giving a passport, well, who knows what was intended by the GIVER.
The misuse of the passport by Israel was not compelled by the GIVER, even if the GIVER knew in advance of the proposed misuse, and IS NEWS, since Israeli assassination schemes have depended on use of false (flag) passports and no legitimate purpose could possibly have been served by the misuse. Foreign (i.e., non-Israeli) governments were quite possibly misled (unless they were part of the deception).
i like your spirit bill!
here's something amusing i noticed poking around. Public Opinion Strategies isn't your run of the mill everyday polling place. they specialize in results that aim to please. maybe they should be named strategies for changing public opinion.
link to rollcall.com
"a trusted collaborator"
The poll that you cited was deeply skewed. First, the sample was really small.
Second, it had a much bigger proportion of Orthodox students. And third, it had homes which at much higher proportions sent their kids to summer camp and hebrew school.
The sample was way too small and highly skewed in such a way to give Zionists multiple orgasms after reading it.
Still, Beinart's case is slightly overstated. I've read fairly good statistical reports that basically lays out the claim that disconnection to Zionism is in large part a result of a disconnect to Judaism as a whole, which means that those Jewish kids who didn't have a 'strong' Jewish background(summer camps, Birthright, hebrew school, mild observance of tradition on a regular basis(if secular) and so on) also didn't have strong feelings towards Zionism. These kids were very often the result of intermarriage.
But if you look at Jewish kid with Jewish parents on both sides with a fairly strong Jewish background(and not necessarily Orthodox in any shape or form) then you did see a strong support to Zionism.
So in this case, sadly, the dedication to 'Jewish values' was correlated strongly to outright, often uncritical, support for Zionism. Another example of how Zionism has superceded everything, even Judaism itself.
It's now more or less an established fact and conventional wisdom inside the Jewish community that anti-Zionism is racism. But if you're anti-nationalist in general, but for all people, why should you make an exception for Jews(on principle) no matter how compelling the historical subtext? Because you know that etno-nationalism(and even more so etno-religious nationalism, which is even more aggressive) leads to violence and, ultimately, facism. Regardsless of which group of people who wields it's sword. So now you're some vicious Jew-hater and/or Nazi-sympathizer if you're a Gentile or a self-hating Jew?
I think the outburst against Beinart is very telling. Both the neocons on Commentary as well as the masquerading 'liberals' like Jeffrey Goldberg attacked the new NYT beaurau chief's support for Beinart's book as 'more dangerous'(their words) than her casual kindness to Ali Abunimah.
Beinart is more dangerous, according to the neocons(including the 'liberal' ones like Goldberg), because he's one of us y'know. He speaks our language, he moves effortlessly in Jewish tradition and can point to a counter-narrative in Judaism which is genuine and real and which belies the claim that 'Jewish values' should in any shape or form somehow mandate uncritical support for Israel because the opposite is true. Judaism in it's purest form is question of others but also, perhaps more so, of yourself and your own causes and assumptions dear to your heart.
And Beinart is, after all, a liberal Zionist who no matter how convoluted in his ideology, tries amiably to draw them together in ways far more sympathetic than the thuggish commisar Goldberg does(who quotes Netanyahu's father's book in favourable light and calls him 'inspirational', the same man who David Remnick of the New Yorker calls a proto-facist. Says all you need to know about commisar Goldberg).
So Beinart has to be destroyed. Now, of course, I disagree with Beinart's thesis in many ways. But I still see him as far more intellectually honest than the fake liberals, which is why they are trying to tear him down.
Look at how overly racist Israelis are. Tell me again how Palestinians are treated fairly once they have Israeli citizenship.
The Arab guy is telling the interviewer, "This calf was kicked in the stomach [by the Israelis] and refuses to eat".
Than the calf starts to nibble on some straw and the camera cuts off.
Gotta love it.
I said it before -- Dempsey's honesty and integrity is going to cost him his job. Netanyahu is going to make Obama fire him.
Hmm, I'm divided over this one. I agree that you can't really not use any other phrase than the Israel Firster on, say, Sheldon Adelson, Matthew Adler(the newspaper editor promoting mossad to assassinate Obama as 'option C', and many, many others).
About these people... yes, they're undermining their own national sovereignty, but it is, as far as I can tell, their own identity that suffers. It'd be another thing if they stole the identity of unknowning Gentiles from their homecountries and gave them to Mossad instead.
These people are in Israel and yes, their 'home'(or previous) countries may not take them in anymore but they have a new national home. And it also sends a message to new Jews who think about becomming an olim - the Mossad might screw up your life!(during IDF service no less).
I don't think the Mossad would have the nerve to steal the ID of a genuine Gentile, living abroad or perhaps briefly studying in Israel, then you'd see apocalyptic responses.
This is all motivated by a campaign that justifies any means to attack Israel's enemies, and mainly Iran. Israel has always played dirty - because it didn't have any second chances like a Western country like the U.S. does(which is why we keep getting screwed in our foreign adventures because we know we can always come back and won't be wiped out).
Think I'm repeating hasbara? Well, think about it, what if Israel lost in 1967 or in 1973? Israel as a state wouldn't even exist and we would probably have seen fairly obscene bloodshed(although most likely not some kind of 'second Holocaust' as some right-wingers sometimes say in a hysterical tone).
So yes, I think there is nuance to this question even if I do think that the Mossad's methods are questionable to say the least, Israel doesn't have the cushions a normal, peaceful Western state can afford.
That would constitute breaking the promise -- we all know they'd just be making shit up.
The fact is, LeaNder, he's NOT that dangerous. Israelis routinely make shit up about Palestinians they find politically inconvenient. That's Israeli culture -- that's how racist they are. ALL Palestinians are guilty and the bullshit they stick to the wall is just window dressing to them. Justice matters less than simply caging Palestinians.
Off topic, but the concert cancellation by jazz singer Cassandra Wilson, who had been scheduled to headline the Women’s Festival in Holon (inside '48 Israel), is good news for the cultural boycott!
LeaNdr,
In order to have precise rules wouldn't they require a constitution?
Thanks Annie. Mr. Beinart should fasten his seatbelt- it is going to be a stormy book tour next month. The more the "liberal Zionists" like Beinart are publicly slammed by the likes of Isi Leibler & Sheldon Adelson the further to the left they will be driven, further undermining their belief in Zionism itself. Bring on the fight!
daniel -- thanks for the reply, it may have been a harsh comment on my part. but there are a couple of things that i do indeed take umbrage with.
first, the "its one of the faces" answer to the question" is this the face of zionism" - just the addition of it to this piece- i thought was distasteful. What other face is there? And why does this self described jewish man get to say this, while standing on the ruins of another man's home, destroyed by other men who self-identify the same way as the man answering the question - and who committed these crimes in "defense" of that self identification?
But there they were, talking about how once you kill animals, you've really lost it, and about the other jewish man who was so happy with himself. Is something not a little off here? Who cares one way or the other about what these guys think the "faces of zionism are?" We have six decades of data on what they are; and here is the final point - if, as nawi hints, there is a face of zionism that is peaceful maybe even loving etc., its a jews only love. So, if your mother is a zionist and she loves you, there is a loving part of zionism. Well, Im sure there are a lot of fascist or statlinist momma's who loved their kids - is anyone interested in hearing about it as a defense of fascism or soviet communism? To ask the question, I think, is to answer it.
Help the guy rebuild, stop talking about yourself. (just my opinion)
I must have missed this. Who is training whom, and what exactly is a P-update. P=progress?
Does somebody have a problem with this??
Free speech is a wonderful thing.
Since you brought it up, I see no reason why activists shouldn't object when agents of a foreign government are deployed to commit acts that may constitute crimes or incitement in accordance with the terms of the relevant international conventions, i.e.:
Agents of Israel can also be required to register and provide additional disclosures when they disseminate political propaganda in the United States, e.g. Meese v. Keene, 481 U.S. 465 (1987) link to supreme.justia.com
There are many other examples of limitations placed upon the free speech of the agents of a foreign government. Under U.S. law, foreign corporations, individuals and governments have been prohibited from providing funds for national elections since 1966. Although the Supreme Court has ruled that campaign donations are a form of speech, it upheld the ban on foreign contributions earlier this year in Bluman v. FEC. link to supremecourt.gov
They don't even break their promise, Chaos. They simply need "new" classified evidence against him. That shouldn't be difficult considering the context. It could be simply a winning time scenario.
What I do not understand. If he is really dangerous and a leader of Islamic "Jihad"--not it's self-improvement sense--leader, why wasn't he simply executed? What are the precise rules for Israel's secret services and military executive that allows the killing of a leader versus the rules for arresting him over and over again?
Yeah, I think, instead of us reading or recommending his book, this article poster, Mr Nepon, should watch the following video a few dozen times because it pretty much is an expose of just what Zionism is and what it does--from the horse's mouth: link to youtube.com
Amnon Neumann told us why he murdered innocent people and expelled them to Gaza and elsewhere: Basically, he says he was young, and filled with the ideology of Zionism. When asked why he was one of the few who have felt guilt enough to speak up in his old age, Neumann said he didn't know, except when they murdered innocents at the time, they were treated as heros for it, and they got drunk on the notion they were heros.
Here is a first hand account by a jew who participated in the Nakba; he describes what he and his buddies did, and tell us why--he says he was a young unquestioning product of Zionist ideology at the time, pure and simple: link to youtube.com
Which one are you talking about, Pixel, Hala Gorani or Arwa Damon, because one of them has the quality you described while the other doesn't. The only thing they have in common other than working for CNN is their Syrian roots.
Another great CNN straight shooter is Rosemary Church that took to task the Mark Regev clone, Miri Eisen. It was in 2006 after the second Israeli Qanaa massacre with the IDF spokeswoman making cocker spaniel eyes (à la Regev) while lying through her phony tears and concerns:
link to youtube.com
I am amazed that private individuals are permitted to make such large campaign donations, like Aldelson did for Gingrich.
I read (I think here) that 45% of political donations in the US are made by Jews.
So I think we can safely say the the US' foreign policy is bought and paid for.
How they haven't lost their seat on the UN Security Council is beyond me.
@Citizen: Brilliant idea!
Maybe it would be wise to say, "Zionism as practiced is a form of racism?" Remember all those folks who remained Communists long after the whole world could see what Communism was once it left the library of Marx? And, hey--there's Christianity, and then there was, for example, the Crusades, and The Inquisition. And so on. Between the ideal and the real falls the shadow.
You can see the Demolitions and their consequence at:
link to youtube.com
She's FABULOUS!
Were that ALL journalists had her professional integrity and would call people out on their evasive, propaganda-filled, non-answers.
I've never received anything from my congressmen except boilerplate hasbara of the most trite sort; they never address the specific comments and questions I give them. The following, written six years ago by a former congressman, shows our non-Jewish congress critters live in total fear of the Israel Lobby even as they secretly despise it: link to ifamericansknew.org
American,
Seems they have succeeded in making this go viral. I caught the story from Allison Weir on Veterans Today: link to veteranstoday.com
The level of treason in this country makes my head spin - and they are able to cover it up in the media. Thank God for the Internet!
A very nice poem. Thank you for it.
I'm afraid I agree.
"Day by day I get closer to thinking the conspiracy nuts where right all along."
They are.
@ Dan Crowther,
I understand the sentiment of your comment. As it is your opinion, I will not insult you by trying to prove anything right or wrong. I would like to share my personal opinion with you [if that's OK?]. If you would have told me two Jewish guys would've stood there today and talk about this hideous wrongdoing, say 10 years ago, I would have lol-ed so loud it would have either hurt me, you or the both of us. How wrong would I have been today?
frankier, I totally agree with your comment, both as to how the US politicians treat any confrontation (Aw, foreign aid is a drop in the bucket of the US spending, nothing to see on that issue--the confronter never gets to point out just how big Israel's part is of that drop in the bucket, which would raise the question why), and how to solve the core problem, which is our current campaign finance system. How about this, assuming we have about 100 M voters, tax them each $10.00 annually, and erect an exclusively public finance system for all political campaigning? That would curb special interest lobbying and donations a lot, present a more diverse group of candidates, and free up considerable time for congress critters to actually do their work, instead of campaigning most of the time.
Alison Weir has a great piece in Counterpunch on how the Rudoren appointment keeps the NYT news about Israel-Palestine "all in the family." For over 40 years the slot has been held by Jews only. link to counterpunch.org
No conflict of interest there, eh?
Excuse me, Mooser, eminent historian that you clearly are. Not to quibble with your lovely story, but I seem to recall from my childhood that Trotsky was assassinated in 1940 inside his home in Mexico.
Anyhow, you are a good storyteller and nowadays that's what counts in a historian.
Dagger,
Here's a mail I just received from CNI that may interest you. There have been too many former US congressmen and senators telling how Israel minons operate like the mafia not to believe them. Especially when the FBI backs up their story.
Council for the National Interest Foundation
Dear Friends,
We wanted you to be the first to see this explosive account by our board member, Senator James Abourezk (below). We'll be posting it publicly on the CNI Website tomorrow morning at 9 am (the 22nd) ET [ link to councilforthenationalinterest.org
].
At that time this link will become live; please consider sending it on to others.
Thank you so much for the support that makes our work possible.
Best regards,
Alison
*Firsthand Account: Israeli Plot to Murder Former US Senator*
James Abourezk represented South Dakota in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1971 to 1973 and in the U.S. Senate from 1973 to 1979. He is the author of numerous articles and books, including Advise & Dissent: Memoirs of South Dakota and the U.S. Senate [ link to middleeastbooks.com
].
CNI asked Mr. Abourezk about his experiences with the Israel Lobby while he served in Congress. In his response he told of an Israeli plot against him that has received perplexingly little coverage in the U.S. press. Below is his description of this and other incidents:
Q: Despite such books as Paul Findley's They Dare to Speak Out [ link to middleeastbooks.com
], Edward Tivnan's The Lobby [ link to amazon.com
], and Mearsheimer and Walt's The Israel Lobby [ link to middleeastbooks.com
], some people still tend to downplay the power of the Israel Lobby. Can you tell us about some of your experiences with it?
A: I'm an eyewitness to what the Lobby does to Members of Congress, including to me during the time I spent in D.C. I was threatened, marginalized, attacked, lied about, among other matters in an effort to silence my criticism of Israel's policies and of the Lobby.
At one time Bob Cordier, from the Washington FBI office, called me to tell me that, during the investigation into Alex Odeh's murder -link to fbi.gov
] (Alex was one of my staff people) - the FBI had uncovered a "plot" on my life. Not a threat, but a plot, but, he said it's OK now, as the guy who intended to murder me had now gone back to Israel. Alex Odeh's murder came not long after I had run four full page ads in the Washington Post asking for support against the Israel Lobby. My assumption was that, reading the ads had enraged the plotter, which led him to bomb the ADC office in Orange County, California.
I also assume that the Robert Manning in West Bank -
[ link to blockyourid.com
] plotter was Robert Manning, a hit man who was later convicted [ link to articles.latimes.com
] of the murder of the secretary of a Jewish businessman in California. Apparently Manning had been hired by another Jewish businessman who was a competitor. They found the fingerprints both of Manning and of his wife on remnants of the letter bomb that was sent to his target, but was opened by his secretary, who died as a result of the explosion.
Manning and his wife were safe from extradition [ link to wrmea.com
] from Israel, due to Israeli policy of not extraditing Jews for any reason, until Peter Jennings on ABC nightly news did a story -
[ link to tvnews.vanderbilt.edu
] -on how Manning was running free in a West Bank settlement. The news story so embarrassed the U.S. government as well as the Israeli government that he was allowed to be extradited to California, but on the condition that he not be tried for killing Alex Odeh, but only for the Secretary. That condition was tantamount to a confession that he had murdered Alex Odeh. Manning's wife died of a heart attack in an Israeli jail while awaiting extradition.
James Bamford [ link to randomhouse.com
], now a writer living in Washington, D.C., and who was Peter Jennings' producer then, has film clips of the news story that he shows at lectures he gives on the subject. He went to the West Bank and filmed a machine gun toting Manning for the news story.
Lobby-engineered mud-slinging
I was under continual attack by the Lobby while I was in politics. Because I kept myself clean during my time of service, someone in the Lobby dug up a story designed to embarrass me by exposing my oldest son to ridicule. He was, at the time, living on an Indian reservation in South Dakota on food stamps. The Lobby got Spencer Rich, who was a political reporter for the Washington Post, to do a story on him. Rich several times called both my wife and me trying to get us to comment, but we refused. So he ran the story, headlined, "Senator's Son Living on Food Stamps." That set off a fire storm of criticism against the Post, and against Ben Bradlee, who was then Editor in Chief. Larry Stern, who was one of my friends, and an editor of the Post, complained bitterly to Bradlee.
One of the Style section writers, Tom Zito, whom I had never met, called me one day and told me the story about his protest to Bradlee over the story. Bradlee finally said, "Alright, go find some other famous people whose kids are living on food stamps and we'll run it." Zito told me that he had found that Bradlee's daughter was living on Food Stamps out in Oregon, causing Bradlee to kill the story on the spot.
Years later I ran into Spencer Rich in a store in DC. He confessed to me that he still felt bad about doing the story on my son's food stamp adventure.
"We're going to get him"
Si Kenen, who was then Executive Director of AIPAC, used to tell anyone who knew me, to tell Abourezk "we're going get him." And when I returned from a trip through the Middle East, I spoke about the trip at the Federal Press Club (reserved for women and blacks) and talked about how every Middle East leader I met with said they would be willing to sign a peace treaty with Israel if Israel would go back to the 1967 borders. A young fellow named Wolf Blitzer, who was Wolf Blitzer in 1990 [ link to wrmea.com
]then writing for AIPAC, rose to ask me several hostile questions. The next issue of the AIPAC newsletter headlined that "Abourezk Sells Out to the Arabs." That was the beginning of the war, as I failed to collapse after that broadside, and worked to make AIPAC sorry for their attack on me.
I used to take the lead in human rights legislation in the Senate. I once offered an amendment to a bill that would cut off American money for any country violating the human rights of their people. Before anyone would vote, I was asked during debate "whether the amendment would apply to Israel." When I said "no" I would get that person's vote.
I also had all kinds of pressure put on me by rabbis who would come to visit me. Once an Iraqi Jew, a woman, came to visit me to tell me how bad it was for Jews in Iraq, I suppose trying to get me to change my mind on the Palestinian issue. She said she was constantly beat up and called a "dirty Jew" when she lived in Iraq. I told her I knew her feeling, because when I grew up in rural South Dakota, other kids would beat me up and call me a "dirty Jew."
After I left the Senate, Art Meggido, a writer for the Baltimore Jewish newspaper asked me for an interview. When I asked him why I should give him an interview, he told me that the Jewish community would eventually have to deal with me when it came to making peace in the Middle East. So I agreed. When the article came out, he related a story that an unnamed Ted Kennedy staffer told him that I had approached Kennedy and asked for money to go to Iran and free some hostages to help him in his 1980 primary campaign against Jimmy Carter.
The truth of that libel was that Kennedy sent three of his supporters to me to ask if I would go to Iran to free some hostages in his name. One was Jan Kalicke, one was Thomas Dineen. John Culver and the other was Ted Sorensen. I supported Ted, so I agreed. The only thing I asked for was that they buy my ticket to Tehran, which they agreed to do.
When I read the article I wrote to Meggido telling him that unless they retracted the lie, I would sue him and the newspaper. They ran the retraction. Because we had agreed that we would not talk on the phone about this, we decided to talk only in person about the trip. No one knew about our deal except Kennedy and his staff, which included Tom Dine [ link to rightweb.irc-online.org
], who had been working for AIPAC earlier. It had to be Dine who talked to Meggido with the lie. And during the kerfuffle, I had a hard time getting Kalicke to call Meggido to verify my story, but it all came out in his retraction.
There are other stories that I could tell you at the risk of boring you to death, but the Lobby had every Senator, except me, scared shitless.
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Since CNI does not feel that anyone will be bored by these other stories, we have asked Mr. Abourezk, who is a member of our board of directors, to provide additional ones, which he has agreed to do on occasion. He is a columnist for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs [ link to wrmea.com
], which has long published such commentaries and reminiscences. For an earlier article by Mr. Abourezk on this topic, see "Yes, It's the Lobby: 'Political Fear' Drives US Support for Israel. [ link to ifamericansknew.org
]"
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"If we can win the war against our politicians, everything else will fall in place.
Without doing this, we will never be able to stop the flow of cash to Israel or the wars they initiate with our money and lives."
Exactly right Cloak and Dagger,......get the politicians. As I told someone else--I wrote to a congressman, not even my own, one from another state, back when talk of invading Iraq began and ripped him for his loudmouth support of attacking Iraq suggesting he was a 'traitor' to the US and influenced by foreign interest. I really hit his hot button because I got a personal two page letter back from him vehemently denying he was acting for other interest. I've never even gotten a one page letter from my own congressman,unless he was asking for money. LOL
I am committed to confronting any candidates that are campagining in my area on exactly who they want to serve us or Israel. And I don't mind standing up in front of a crowd and calling them traitors. In fact I look forward to it.
What a harrowing experience! God bless you for your courage and getting the truth out there. Shame on the hypocritical U.S. government and that idiot Ms. Smith!!
The double-standard applied by the U.S. disgusts me. Fact is, the U.S. cares squat about Syrians. They couldn't be more pleased that Syrians are dying on both sides, the Government and Opposition side, as long as Israel gets what it wants and the proxy war on Iran is being waged at the expense of Muslim lives.
I hope Bahrainis find a way to topple that greedy, fascist monarch. I hope his days are numbered!
American,
I agree with your comment in another thread where you asserted that in order for us to prevail, our fight needs to be against our Israel-firster politicians. This is actually a very sound observation, and perhaps the most practical one for us to pursue.
There are only 535 of those critters. Some of them are not Israel-firsters (e.g. Paul, Kucinich, ...). I don't know what the ratio is.
If we can organize concerted efforts to trail the most egregious of these offenders and hound them publicly, making it our goal to not allow their re-election, some of the others will discover a spine and back off all by themselves.
Joe Lieberman is already not running (although he will end up on K street or some Israeli think tank), but the field is still pretty target-rich (Cantor, Issa, Pelosi, Reid, ... ).
If we can win the war against our politicians, everything else will fall in place.
Without doing this, we will never be able to stop the flow of cash to Israel or the wars they initiate with our money and lives.
Oh, as for the politicians, is it okay to mention the guillotine, or does that violate MW guidelines?
I claim a good bit, with gold and diamonds in it.
i want zimbabwe, my ancestors prolly used to jump off these falls. no fair.
link to bookitnow.com
Meanwhile, back at the ranch: Netanyahu calls top US general a servant of Iran
link to rt.com
the Obama Administration to achieve stated U.S. foreign policy goals of freezing Israeli settlement expansion, ending Israeli military occupation, and establishing a Palestinian state and a just and lasting Israeli-Palestinian peace."
Yeah right, it's as far away as it ever was; all talk, no walk.
A pigs fly fairytale if ever there was one.
It makes me sick to my stomach to see just how spineless President Obama is.
RE: "Copy it and take it to any civic or town or social meeting you go to and share it with people." ~ American
ALSO: Consider making a tax-deductible donation to the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation. Your support is essential in the struggle to change U.S. policy toward Israel/Palestine, and support human rights, equality and the implementation of international law.
TO DONATE - link to endtheoccupation.org
P.S. I make a modest monthly contribution as a member of the Olive Branch Club. - link to endtheoccupation.org
Besides the (misconstrued and irrelevant) argument that Israel is the only democratic ally the US have in the Middle East, the other often used (and equally misconstrued and irrelevant) argument to justify the aid to Israel is that such aid is a minuscule percentage of the US budget. Of course, these explanations are pushed and provided by the politicians who are under the influence of the AIPAC.
The solution is to ban all private money from the US political process. This would neutralize the ability of private and/or foreign interests to influence or direct the US political process. The ban should be, of course, supported by extremely severe penalties.
So Bibi is smirking and Obama has a vacant smile in the photo. This is the very last time I vote an Israeli into the White House.
Very well said Cliff - all the way through
Did Lib319 have a comment removed? I notice the comment about culture gone....
Lib319 has now gone on to say:
I would disagree with anyone who regards the Palestinians (as defined today since the 60s) as a non-authentic people - Lib319
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me:
HOW DOES THIS NOT GET YOU BANNED??
Palestinian has a different definition before and after "the 60's" according to Lib319. This is right out of the Christians United For Israel handbook. They aren't Palestinians, their Jordanians, Syrians and so on. How does this not get you banned?
Rubbish. The Palestinian citizens of Israel are not beholden to Zionism.
They are not recent immigrants like the majority of Israeli Jews.
The Palestinians in Israel are simply the Palestinians who were not ethnically cleansed in 48'.
These Palestinians lived under martial law until 1966. They will never be treated as equals in any meaningful sense and will continually be regarded as a 5th column.
They owe Israel nothing.
This is possible, and I think it's part of Illan Pappé's argument too.
Scott, I think you are referring to a group called the SDS Labor Committee, this was one of the first manifestations of Lyndon La Ruche on the scene of his extreme politics. I remember them well when they entered public meetings of coalitions of left wing groups discussing antiwar issues and broke them up with some shocking violence.
The Progressive Labor types, misguided as they may have been, were not destructive in that way and were easy to work with in ad hoc committees that were formed to organize one demonstration or another.
Just a little clarification for I remember those days well.
I've found this article by Ran Greenstein to be particularly useful :
Israel/Palestine and the Apartheid Analogy:
Critics, Apologists and Strategic lessons (Part 1) :
link to mrzine.monthlyreview.org
Israel/Palestine and the Apartheid Analogy:
Critics, Apologists and Strategic Lessons (Part 2)
link to mrzine.monthlyreview.org
"Regev, what is your feeble, whining excuse this time?"
Does it really matter?
It doesn't matter when Palestinian nationalism took form.
The implication in your comments, lib, is that the Pakestinians do not have a right to land where they constituted the majority population. The Palestinians have lived on that land for thousands of years and are the amalgam of every people who've lived there as well. That would include Jews.
Thats the reason many Palestinians look European with light skin, light hair, and even blue eyes. Many could pass for Israeli Jews of Ashkenazi descent very easily.
The Jewish connection to the land is mostly religious-centric. Jews were always a minority there until the Zionist movement.
It doesn't matter who has more of an abstract connection to the land.
The Palestinians have far more physical and material connections to the land of Israel-Palestine than a Jew from Brooklyn.
You trivialize the Palestinian connection as well as lie about well-documented history such as the rejection of the partition plan and the 48' War.
This blog has been around for years and your arguments have been spewed forth in one variation or another. It does not matter what your background is, because whatever you are, lib, you are first and foremost a hasbarat.
A true liberal does not whitewash Israeli criminality by comparing and contrasting it with other countries.
This is a colonial conflict and Israel controls the Palestinians so thoroughly that they have become more or less pacified. While Israel does not have the kill count of, for example, [whatever typical cynical concern a Zionist might have for the plight of Arabs elsewhere], it is a wholly different conflict.
Israel has a strategy and a goal. The goal is to control as much of the best land and resources as possible given whatever challenges it faces.
Israel kills at will, when it needs to; when there is a strategic goal.
It is far more devastating that Israel can continually get away with stealing from the Palestinians and carrying daily abuses and humiliation to such an extent that said crimes are considered banal. Banal because on Syria, people are dying in droves. That's horrible yes, but those people aren't being killed by a foreign enemy who is at the same time kicking them off their land and colonizing it.
Should we commend Israel for stealing without killing as often as X, Y, and Z country?
Your view is the typical, liberal Zionist view with a dash of trolling.
Your history is wrong. Your concern is cynical. Your ideological motivations and agenda are obvious.
You are NOT a liberal. You are Zionist.
Poorly phrased question, my bad citizen
I sometimes notice a "stop military aid" to israel camp that is not necessarily a "stop all subsidization of israel" camp - if that makes any sense. Is it a case against military subsidies in tough times (and the fact that they are used for violent aggression) or just generally speaking?
"Some Zionists may have said that, but the whole notion of a Jewish state implies a state run by and for the benefit of a single ethnic group, with the corresponding implication that any persons who are resident in the state but who are not members of the ethnic group will be second-class citizens if they are not expelled."
While the arabs living in Israel suffer from the same types of disadvantage as minorities in other Western liberal democracies their standing is far in advance of a majority of those in neighbouring Arab states. Out of all the countries in the Middle East it is Zionism that has provided the best chance of a superior life for the arabs within their state.
Hopefully Israel will raise its game even more and lead the world in providing the highest (hopefully equal to it's Jewish population's) standard of living for its minority population. It already leads the Middle East, unless you want to include the oil rich ruling elite minority arab populations of places like Saudi Arabia which I'm sure you don't.
Unfortunately there is inequality in the world, shouldn't this inequality be far greater in Israel if Zionism is so racist and evil. Israeli inequality should be worse than anywhere judging by how Zionism is on a par with aparthied South Africa...right?
Confusing...
I didn't say the Jews had an absolute and unconditional right to return to Israel either. Try again to read what I wrote instead of saying what you believe I think.
Race is an unscientific concept.
Not really. The term finds useful application in horticulture, in studies of natural populations, and many other places. It has failed to be of much use in describing human populations. It turns out we are all mongrels.
I hope every one, ever US citizen that is, who reads this knows what to do with it.
Copy it and take it to any civic or town or social meeting you go to and share it with people.
And keep a copy also to take any candidate campaign event you might go to and read it off to the candidate and his adoring followers and ask him to explain it.
"As was said over and over again by the Zionists, this didn’t necessarily have to be at the expense of the Arabs living there."
Some Zionists may have said that, but the whole notion of a Jewish state implies a state run by and for the benefit of a single ethnic group, with the corresponding implication that any persons who are resident in the state but who are not members of the ethnic group will be second-class citizens if they are not expelled. (Michael Neumann elaborates here.
link to counterpunch.org
)
And other Zionists said very clearly that it would be at the expense of the Arabs. They openly declared their intention to take over the land. They openly declared that the land would be one run by Jews for the benefit of Jews, and that anyone else in that land would be - at best - second class citizens.
"I would unconditionally say that everybody needs a homeland or state."
A "homeland" or state for every individual? Or can people share a land and a state with other people?
Australian Jews have a homeland. It is the land most of them were born in, grew up in, were educated in, and where they have their homes and have made their lives. It is called Australia.
Can we have a P-update, Mooser?
How well has she got you trained so far?
“Libster – i like that you are so upfront with your racism, its good to get it out in the open…”
Dani Boy, thanks for being so blinkered, it means I don’t really have to bother thinking too hard to respond…
“jews as a “culture” have more claim to palestine. hmm, interesting – not religion, but culture. Sure. So, a jewish guy from Europe arriving in palestine in 1905 has a better “cultural” claim than does someone who descends from people who have lived there continuously for centuries. WOW.”
“As for there not being a Palestine before 40 years ago- first let me say, Jews should be the very last people on the planet discussing the authenticity of others existence as a people. Your part of the group that invented themselves, not the Palestinians. It was Palestine long before your exclusionary lot showed up there. And Palestine is written about by everyone from Kafka to Marx to Twain and thats only in the recent pre-zionist times.”
Well I didn’t mention Jews discussing the authenticity of others existence as a people, and personally, as a non-Jew, I would disagree with anyone who regards the Palestinians (as defined today since the 60s) as a non-authentic people. And as an aside, why are you claiming that I’m part of the group that invented themselves? Presuming I’m a Jew just because I don’t subscribe to your anti-Israel ranting points to you being the prejudiced one. Instead of calling me a racist (and no, I don’t know what race you think I’ve impugned) try figuring out why you’ve stuck the label of Jew onto me, someone you disagree strongly with, someone you don’t like perhaps, obviously a racist if he doesn’t wear my blinkers?.....
And I also know it was called Palestine (and the probable reason the Romans renamed it thus) long before Zionism. But where were the Palestinians (as you would define them today or recognise them as such ancestrally then) and the Palestinian culture that in any way comes close to the ancient Jewish culture, civilisation, society, legal system and memes found then in Israel?
I’m not saying that a cultural claim is a reason to dispossess someone else from their home, rather I’m saying that in cultural terms (and I’m afraid that does indeed include their religion and Diaspora history in Europe or whatever country they ended up in), the Jews have a far greater connection and indeed claim to Israel as their rightful home. The Arabs were given the choice to share, the choice of a state, some stayed, some took money for land and left, some left bidden by other Arab nations and some were indeed forced from their land in the troubles between the peoples including the war started by the Arabs in 48. But where in all this was there a Palestinian entity in any way different from the surrounding Arab peoples that ensures a Palestinian state takes precedence over a Jewish one?
“No, this is not what I am saying. What I am saying is, if your are under the impression that you belong to a jewish continuum that goes back to ancient times,”
As I said, I’m not Jewish (take off your blinkers), but Jews indeed are a part of a continuum that goes back to ancient times. The Jews didn’t invent themselves in response to the unfortunate events that had befallen them, these events happened because they were Jewish. And this, more than any cultural or historic ties to Israel is what gives the right of the Jews to a state, Zionism enabled that right to become real and enabled it in the land that they are indeed tied to through Jewish culture for thousands of years. Contrary to you it wasn’t at the expense of “the Palestinians” or a rich and developed “Palestinian culture” or “Palestinian society”. The Palestinians can of course have all these things, and I look forward to seeing such things develop, but they will need a state to live in to do so.
“if this rationale was universalized, every human would be able to move back to Africa and take the land of the Africans living there”
I agree, if this rationale were universalized then every Palestinian would be able to move back to Israel. What have Palestinians absent for generations (and generations to come), living in Jordan or camps in Lebanon got to do with the modern, democratic liberal Israel, situated on the Jewish ancient homeland, home to a people still a part of that cultural continuum going back thousands of years and will still be thousands of years from today?
To paraphrase yourself…
…“the idea that “the Palestinians” (however they choose to identify themselves) have a “right” to Israel is absurd.”
The Palestinians, as they have rightly come to be known have indeed suffered (and not least because of their leader’s choices) and must have a country of their own. Israel is already taken by the Israelis (of which 20% are also Palestinian) however.
“Im not interested in this any longer. You and your lot are destined to be hated the world over, you probably actually prefer it that way – your the biggest anti-semite (even though that term is very misleading) there is.”
No, I’m a pro Jewish and pro Palestinian liberal. It’s a shame your narrow vision cannot accommodate that.
'we ALL have a claim to somewhere in East Africa, after all it’s humanity’s “ancient ancestral homeland”'
I claim a good bit, with gold and diamonds in it.
Mooser :
February 21, 2012 at 12:59 pm :
I'm for seeing how she does in her job. The Times can send who it wants to cover I-P, probably more than half of their good reporters are Jewish, if someone doesn't like that, build a better newspaper. It ain't 1996 anymore--the number of Jews who engaged in a constructive, humanistic, pro-Palestinian rights way has probably expanded 10 fold; this site is one great example among many. She might be good. If not, then slam her.
I think I tried to post this earlier, but can't find it. BIoC reminds me so much of Progressive Labor types in the 60's, who were ultra-left and single-minded (about the "worker-student alliance") and kind of robotic. SDS would probably have destroyed itself anyway, but PL sure played a role. I was a bit young to really participate then, but followed what was going on.
we are of the same mind toivo
Mr Boycott, you are more and more being perceived as an elaborate concern troll or a false flag as someone suggested. I think your gig is up -- time to create a new handle and move on to some other site.
If he's that dangerous, you have to wonder why this arrest and release cycle has been going on for the last decade+.
You also have to wonder what magically changes on April 17, that isn't already the case, say, today.
Let the guy go already. Surely the Israeli process could fabricate some "new" secret evidence to give a excuse for compassion, not just guilt.
How much you wanna bet that Phil took that Soda-stream home, and it stands proudly in his kitchen today, ready to supply 2-cents plain to all Liberal Zionists and just-war theorisers?
The slight increase in military “aid” to Israel is entirely consistent with the slight increase in overall US “defense” spending. The intent of neoliberalism is to eliminate any vestige of a social safety net while maintaining military Keyensianism. The class war has turned into a blitzkrieg.
"Don’t ever leave, Mooser. :D"
I'm sure Phil can "redeem" the Jews with no help from me.
And I can't help him with his mother or relationship issues; I'm not broad-certified.
This also revealing excerpt from Alison's article:
"In her article Halsell quotes a revealing statement by an Israeli journalist following Israel’s 1996 shelling of a U.N. base in Lebanon that killed more than 100 civilians sheltering in it: “We believe with absolute certitude that right now, with the White House in our hands, the Senate in our hands and The New York Times in our hands, the lives of others do not count the same way as our own.”
Since 1984 New York Times bureau chiefs have lived in a house that was acquired for the Times by then Jerusalem Bureau Chief Thomas Friedman (now the Times’ lead foreign policy columnist). The building originally belonged to a Palestinian family forced out in Israel’s 1947-49 founding war. Israel afterward prevented the family from returning and reclaiming their home. Therefore, Times’ bureau chiefs are in the strange position of living in a home that was stolen from Palestinians (acquiring property by violent conquest is illegal in today’s world).
Yes, we should remember that we aren't negotiators for the Palestinians. Glad we're in agreement!
khader adnan
freedom fighter, baker, graduate student, husband and father of two
he fasted sixty-six days
for his people
he lost a third of his weight
for his people
he risked vital organ collapse
for his people
he won his release from prison
for his people
that palestine be free
that palestine be free
that palestine be free
Yes thanks for link Les.
As I theorized, the NYT Israel problem is it's ownership and decisions makers.
They always appoint Jews and if the Jews they appoint get too fair or objective or critical of Israel it never passes an editors censorship or the reporters gets removed.
Well, Mooser, room might have been found for that very true remark in the Book of Proverbs.