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wrt the Iran negotiations, I recommend this clip:
“Untangling the complicated Middle East web
It’s make or break time for the Iranian nuclear deal. Hillary Mann Leverett, Fmr. State Department official and co-author of “Going to Tehran: Why America Must Accept the Islamic Republic of Iran” joined the panel to discuss.”
“I want my country back”
Even if it was released from the clammy grip of the bots the plutocrats would still be holding it by the balls.
Get rid of all rent seekers and give Main St wage increases.
“MY COMMENT: Jodi Rudoren has turned out to be a godawful dissapointment. The New York Times is no longer even fit to be used as a ‘fish wrapper’. In an emergency, it might be suitable for use in picking up your dog’s excrement off a city sidewalk. But, it is just barely suitable for that. And, only in a real emergency! ”
Brilliant JLD! Well said. I couldn’t agree more.
I have got to write on of those monograph thingies on The Ziocaine Syndrome.
“Take abortion. “
But if it should happen, to any extent, I’ll be happy to see it.
“Making a deal with a country that finances terrorism all over the Middle East, and is basically at war with US allies,”
hophmi~ you are showing your extremism. Just ’cause your PM does, doesn’t mean you have to follow suit! KSA finances terrorism and so does Israel. Who has Iran attacked? Nobody in over 200 years.
“Arab coalition fights Yemen rebels, but the real battle is against Iran
Even Sudan, a traditional ally of Tehran, has joined the Sunni axis assembled by the Saudi king in a feverish effort to halt Iranian influence in the region.”
” Logical consistency is irrelevant.”
Hophmi , we have seen, will never be haunted by Emerson’s “hobgoblin of small minds”!
RE: “The Emperor is supposed to have sex with Ameterasu. It’s one of his duties . . .” ~ RoHa
MY JEST: My goodness, aren’t “we” into* some rather bizarre, arcane stuff?!?! Do you perchance know Roman and Minnie Castevet? What about C. Peter Wagner and his lovely wife? They seem like your type!
* P.S. “I’m not into organized religion. I’m into believing in a higher source of creation, realizing we’re all just part of nature.” – Neil Young quotes from BrainyQuote.com.
Yes, Walid & just, it’s truly astonishing what control of oil & protecting the petrodollar + carrying out AIPAC’s wishes + weapons/security business profiteering–will do.
Gee. I bet if the children of our political elites were being shipped off to fight in these endless Middle Eastern wars, the Israel Lobby would unravel pretty damn fast.
” if Iran is bent on establishing control over the Middle East through Shia proxies,”
Of course! That’s it! Oh, those bad Iranians. How long have they been plotting and raising armies to “take over the Middle East”? Since forever hasn’t it been, Hophmi?
What a load of crap you try and sell.
Yonah, you are clarity itself.
And it’s not an “intractable conflict” the correct term is “Israel’s intransigence”. That term, “intransigence” can take most of it in.
An adjective like “unmitigated” can be thrown in, if you like.
Not to worry, NPR will gives us the scoop. ROFL Our main media is leading us to war & more war, including nukes it seems–I guess we are experiencing how one channels Joseph Goebbels in 21st Century America. At lot of it is not having real expert pundits on (unless they channel hasbara), & a lot more is what is never said, no context–get it? Nuclear Israel has a history of state military assault & is not subject to NNPT–yet that’s how our media paints Iran, which has no such contemporary history and IS a member of NNPT, subject to inspection. Brutal long occupation, illegal settlements, heavy institutionalized discrimination, who? Naw, just Palestinian jew-hater babies with bombs strapped on them. A good look at how our media and politicians & pundits paint Muslims–reminds me of The Poison Mushroom
MOOSER- “Well, it has occurred to me, and I’m about the same age as Phil, that I was around to see the country get lost, but I’m not sure I’ll live to see it taken back.”
Both you and Phil were alive during Shays Rebellion? Who knew?
What are you trying to say, Rob Roy?
That’s just weird, and I can’t make sense out of it…
Yep , played by everyone is a an antisemite Michael Douglas.
Who didn’t portray him as a Jew. Despite his lines. “Not bad for a City College boy.” “That’s the thing you’ve got to remember about WASPs…they love animals, they can’t stand people.”
HOPHMI- “Making a deal with a country that finances terrorism all over the Middle East, and is basically at war with US allies….”
So nice of you to acknowledge that Saudi Arabia and the rest of the fundamentalist Gulf Monarchies are US/Israel allies to be defended. Middle East terrorism is overwhelmingly the consequence of US/Israel actions, including ISIS, all of which you defend as befits your status as self-selected empire Jew.
PHIL- “I want my country back”
For cry sakes, gimme a break! So much hysteria over this fundamentally inconsequential spat between Obama and Netanyahu. Unless you can show that a significant segment of the imperial elite are at odds with each other, then this is most likely a contrived distraction from the truly important events occurring, like the Ukraine and the TPP. Or possibly a jockeying for power among the various elites with Obama and Netanyahu as proxies. In any event, the MSM is mostly propaganda frequently designed to distract the unwary with infotainment. I don’t read the NYT and I don’t care what Jodi Rudoren says.
As for the US relationship with Israel, Netanyahu’s election changes little if anything. The same with Iran, the Ukraine, the TPP, climate change, the elimination of nukes, etc. At this stage of the game, Israel is an integral part of empire, something which you should write about. Below is a quote and a link to an article by William Greider which discusses the synergistic relationship between the US and Israel’s militarism:
” The US and Israel are more like a very sophisticated high-tech partnership that collaborates on the frontiers of physics and other sciences in order to yield the gee-whiz weaponry that now define modern warfare. Back in the 1980s, the two nations were sharing and cross-pollinating their defense research at a very advanced level.” (William Greider)
link to zcomm.org
It is haunting and simply beautiful, seafoid. Just as bintbiba says.
“That is continuity. The music is part of that. There is so much knowledge in the music. Palestinians have the continuity too. Israelis do not. One reason they are so vulnerable to demagogues and Biblical horseshit.”
“Wasn’t Gordon “Greed is Good” Gekko in Wall Street based on Michael Milken”? Lysias.
Yep , played by everyone is a an antisemite Michael Douglas.
Well, it has occurred to me, and I’m about the same age as Phil, that I was around to see the country get lost, but I’m not sure I’ll live to see it taken back. That may be for the younger folks.
“Four-day march for Bedouin rights begins in Israel’s south
President Reuven Rivlin had promised to welcome marchers, but will be abroad when they arrive in Jerusalem to draw attention to the Negev’s unrecognized villages.
A four-day march to Jerusalem to raise awareness of the plight of unrecognized Bedouin villages and to present a plan to recognize them began on Thursday morning as planned, even though President Reuven Rivlin will not be receiving the marchers in the capital, as they had hoped.
Although Rivlin had agreed to receive the marchers on Sunday at the President’s Residence, the march’s final destination, it was learned on Wednesday that he will be in Singapore for the funeral of former president Lee Kuan Yew.
Organizers considered postponing the march, but in the end decided to proceed. They will be met by the president’s wife, Nehama Rivlin, and will have an official meeting with the president next week.
Some 50 marchers set out in the morning from the unrecognized Negev town of Wadi al-Na’am, the country’s largest with some 8,000 residents.
They were due to stop at the Bedouin market in Be’er Sheva before spending the night at the unrecognized village of Al-Arakib, which has been demolished numerous times by the authorities.
Joint List leader Ayman Odeh, one of the organizers, told Haaretz that he was not concerned about the small turnout.
“Our goal is to send a number of messages to the government and the country as a whole,” Odeh said. “In the 21st century, there are people without water and electricity. At night, children in these villages see the lights of the children in the kibbutzim and it shouldn’t be like that.
“It’s a mark of Cain for all the country’s governments.”
The objective of the march is to get government recognition of all 46 unrecognized villages in the country, Odeh said.”
More @ link to haaretz.com
Netanyahu and Sara should go instead. Sara might go into alcohol withdrawal in Singapore, though:
“Benjamin Netanyahu’s wife ‘drank three bottles of champagne a DAY': Ex-caretaker of Israeli prime minister’s residence claims she ‘drinks crazy amounts of alcohol'”
Read more: link to dailymail.co.uk
And no, I don’t feel sorry that she might choose to drown her sorrows for being married to this liar and thief…she chose to not only marry him, but to stay with him.
” Phil, you can’t play both sides”
I’m sorry, would you delineate for us the “both sides” Phil is “playing”?
Do you mean that one side is giving Zionism some benefit of the doubt , and total pessimism about Zionism the other side, or are you talking about something else?
And are you still standing by your comment (“The Phils will Fall Away”) and your diagnoses of Phil Weiss’ pathological “self-hate”, a “disease” he has? But you know, I’ll probably quote something out of context, I’d best copy the entire thing, so we will understand your present comment better.
Wasn’t Gordon “Greed is Good” Gekko in Wall Street based on Michael Milken?
I have never understood the problem with dual or triple loyalty. I am a dual citizen. I have loyalty to many things besides countries. In case of conflict, you are just kind of in the middle and hope for a good outcome. I guess that’s the deal for Chinese Americans or Turkish Bulgarians. With all the migrations in the 20 century there are many people with multiple national loyalties.
I read recently about the Battle of Aughrim in Ireland , 1690 . The Irish lost. The soldiers were stripped of all valuables and left to rot on the battlefield. A commentator noticed how pale their skin was , a whiteness on the land.
And if you look at Irish people today we are so pale.
link to gaa.ie
That is continuity. The music is part of that. There is so much knowledge in the music. Palestinians have the continuity too. Israelis do not. One reason they are so vulnerable to demagogues and Biblical horseshit.
My own pet theory is that they call them Museums of Tolerence as a way of introducing another Holocaust museum to an area that already has one. In fact I think I recall that when they planed to open the one in Los Angeles someone from the Holocaust museum staff alleged that this would take patrons away from them.
Muchas gracias! ! ! I had not seen this discussion. – link to mondoweiss.net
Unfortunately, I just don’t have enough time (and sometimes not enough inclination) to read all the comments.
P.S. RE: “Indeed therapy on a national scale is needed but once again I am not holding my breath…”
MY COMMENT: You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him/her undergo psychotherapy!
It is possible that inevitable result will be Masada II (i.e., Masada Part Deaux).
Replying to just’s comment, Rob Roy, what do you think?
“…that have had extraordinary success over the past century in eliminating real anti-Semitism.”
I guess I failed to see where there was any major problem with actual anti-Semitism (as opposed to imagined or proclaimed anti-Semitism) in the USA. Other white immigrant groups like the Irish and Italians faced worse abuse, never mind what America had in store for black, brown, yellow, and red peoples.
“One of their achievements was to rebut widespread allegations that American Jews had divided loyalties between the United States and Israel”.
How do you rebut an obvious truth as far as many American Jews are concerned? In fact, many seem far more loyal to Israel than the USA.
Never mind that the US is supporting Iranian ground efforts in Tikrit at the request of Iraq………
“Oh, what a tangled web we weave…when first we practise to deceive.”
― Walter Scott, Marmion
Rudoren reminds me of Mencken in his old age, when the country he analysed and skewered so expertly in his middle age suddenly became alien to him. The kids grew up and they thought differently to him and there was nothing he could do about it.
“There was much propaganda involved in blaming Arafat for the failure of Camp David, but Barak was serious until time was up.”
Much of that propaganda came from Clinton and Barak and that detracts from whatever seriousness they had about peace. When the chips were down they both agreed to make it seem like it was all Arafat’s fault and as Teapot points out, the responsibility of the Israeli electorate for choosing Sharon goes unmentioned.
This matters because even if one accepted a 2SS as the best achievable result, it’s clear that most of its advocates in the US and Israel were and are more interested in upholding Israel’s reputation than in putting any real pressure on Israel to accept it. So we had a decade where we constantly heard that the Palestinians were offered peace and Arafat rejected it–full stop. That was an excuse for continued settlement building. Then the somewhat hazy Olmert- Abbas talks took place and nothing came of them, except another legend about how the Palestinians had a “generous offer” on hand and rejected it.
I suspect you agree with much or most of this, Yonah, so I’m not criticizing you. But I think you’re overly hard on David Glick. Even if Barak and/or Olmert were partly sincere, it doesn’t matter much. If Barak and Clinton genuinely put peace ahead of their own reputations, they wouldn’t have spent the following decade putting all the blame on Arafat.
With less than a week before the March 31 deadline to finalize the outlines of a nuclear deal, Israel’s other pals the axis of anti-Shia states decided to bomb Iran’s pals in Yemen. This will surely get the Iranians’ back up, which is probably why the attacks on Yemen came at this critical time in US-Iran negotiations, most probably to get Iran to do something rash and trigger an American reaction that would end the talks.
P.S. “Bancroft” is George Bancroft (1800 – 1891), author of “History of the United States of America, from the discovery of the American continent.” – link to amazon.com
I have been hosting a discussion group here in Oregon on the Palestinian occupation and human rights violations — just grassroots trying to let more people know what’s really happening. One of the women asked a very pointed question: WHY do we believe Israel is such a great ally? I cavalierly responded because they say they are — just more Zionist propaganda. But I’m wondering if any of you have a better response to the question of why the US insists that Israel is such an important ally that we are willing to protect all their horrible crimes? Obviously the propaganda is part of that, but is there a valid reason?
Oh, and I want to come Sit Shiva when Zionism dies, too!!
|| a blah chick: Delivering on their promises?! Dude, they can’t even collect their own taxes or control their borders and you want them to deliver on promises? ||
If they could deliver on promises, they’d either end up in an Israeli prison or on the wrong end of an Israeli sniper’s gun. Can’t have them uppity Aye-rab Mooslims making the “Jewish State” look bad…
You are shocked by seeing that the NYT is an official Zionist propaganda rag? Too late. It was exactly this since before 1950.
You want your country back? Too late. Blame yourself. You have been voting Democrat. Or perhaps Republican.
Speaking of applying force, these proposals from the EU are interesting.EU plans to pressure Israel as diplomat warns of ‘collision course’
“Leaked report outlines 40 suggestions to sway Israeli policy; EU source: more chance of implementation in wake of Netanyahu rejection of Palestinian state.
Latest Update: 03.25.15, 17:31 / Israel News
“We are on a collision course,” said the European diplomat. “It’s clear to everyone in Brussels that there must be a response to these statements.”
The diplomat said the EU does not believe Netanyahu’s subsequent backtracking on the creation of a Palestinian state. He added that Europe is interested in having a positive relationship with Israel, but considers Israel to be an entity that does not extend beyond the Green Line – the boundaries of Israel from its founding in 1948 until the 1967 Six-Day War.
“If Israel continues its policy beyond the Green Line, it will affect the relationship between European nations and Israel,” he warned.
The heads of diplomatic missions in Jerusalem and Ramallah recommend several steps in the report, and the majority of the 40 recommendations may be hard for Israel to swallow.
The European source hinted that the election results and expected formation of a right-wing government in Israel mean the recommendations will be taken especially seriously by the EU. “y net.
The 40 suggestions are listed but are very small print and I could not copy and paste.Worth a look though.
“I think it’s time that we, as Jews, get together with the Muslims who are honorable and peaceful, but we also have to go and protect ourselves,” [Weinstein] said.
Interesting: He implies that all Jews are honourable and peaceful, but only some Muslims are. Not only is this an incredibly arrogant statement, but it deliberately ignores the fact that Zio-supremacists – who, for almost 70 years and with impunity, have been engaged in or supported Jewish colonialism and Jewish (war) crimes – are anything but honourable and peaceful.
“The UN’s top Mideast envoy challenged the Security Council on Thursday to step up and lead the way to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying the international community should seriously consider presenting a framework for negotiations that “may be the only way to preserve the goal of a two-state solution.”
Robert Serry in his final briefing to the council also sharply criticized Israel’s illegal settlement building, saying it “may kill the very possibility of reaching peace on the paradigm of two states for two peoples.”
“I frankly do not know if it is already too late,” Serry said…..
…….The council has long been blocked from taking action on the crisis, as United States is a top Israeli ally whose veto power as a permanent council member has been used to protect Israel for years. In late December, the council rejected a Palestinian resolution demanding an end to Israeli occupation within three years.
France, another permanent council member, has said in recent days it is willing to revisit the idea of a Security Council resolution.
Diplomats on Thursday, however, said the United States expressed no hint of Obama’s stance during their statement in closed-door consultations after Serry’s public briefing.
The Palestinian ambassador to the UN, Riyad Mansour, told reporters he agrees with Serry’s comments.
“We hope the Security Council will … take that responsibility very seriously,” Mansour said. He said he wants to see a resolution with a timeframe for ending the Israeli occupation and with terms of reference for the peace process.
But the Palestinian envoy asked whether “key players” on the council would allow such a resolution to go through, a reference to the United States.
Mansour also said Netanyahu does not support a two-state solution, “regardless of his backpedalling” on his comments.
Israel’s UN Ambassador Ron Prosor criticized the Palestinians for pursuing “empty resolutions” and insisted that his country’s bond with the United States is strong.”
It IS too late, and Prosor’s words are poison. Was Power- Sunstein even there?
RE: “You [Phil] will have to settle for your MTV. That’s all you’re going to get, so learn to make do!” ~ me (from above)
ELABORATION: Phil is such an unmitigated ingrate! He has digital, high-definition MTV 24/7, but that’s not good enough for him. He want’s more than that.
Well, he’s not going to get it! ! !
Who the hell does Phil think he is, one of our oligarchs?!?!
P.S. Personally, I’m in favor of changing Thanksgiving Day to ‘Oligarch Appreciation Day’! ! ! Isn’t that a capital idea? I think so, even if I do say so myself. And, I do!
But then, who am I to judge?!?!
You mean the Father Coughlin claim that Jews care more about their own than the country that they live in?
“Iran has not launched any war in over 200 years.”
You can’t be serious with this nonsense. It is fighting proxy wars all over the Middle East. That’s indisputable.
Just amazing how Mondoweiss’s reaction to NY Times reportage mirrors the reaction of rightist Zionists. You read something that doesn’t fit your extreme political perspective, and rather than deal with it, you just give up your subscription.
First off ….Thank you so much Annie for your hard work!
Can we just eliminate all pretenses and label Rudoren (who’s own son served in the IDF) her “proper” title as:
The Wicked Witch of The East…
Especially with that SCARY picture of her…
She simply makes THIS Jew sick to my stomach.
Every time I read one of her articles I feel like I need to take a shower to wash off all that filth…
“It is a US newspaper. ”
It is a “Memo from the Jerusalem.” If you read the NY Times, you understand that a “Memo from” column is usually an analysis/human interest column written by a foreign correspondent about the place that they cover that is not just straight reportage.
“that’s stating WH criticism has been “unrelenting”. when the reality is this is the very first time obama has dared to say he’s reassessing the options. ”
C’mon Annie. The White House and the State Department were publicly criticizing Israel just about every day for a week. That’s unprecedented.
You really don’t seem to understand that the piece is covering the reaction of the Israelis, not the reaction of people at Mondoweiss. In any event, yes, I would describe answering “indeed” to a journalist question about whether there would be a two state solution, a question that followed up on Netanyahu’s comment that he didn’t think the conditions were ripe for it, as a “momentary disavowal.” Actually, I didn’t think it was a disavowal at all. If I say that I hope for peace and that I’ll work for peace, but that I’m pessimistic about it happening anytime soon because of geopolitics, does that mean that I don’t want peace? You’re pessimistic about the Israelis withdrawing from the West Bank without outside pressure. Does that mean that you have disavowed your view that Israelis should pull out of the West Bank?
You really believe that Obama wasn’t planning to launch this “reassessment” before Netanyahu made his comment to the NRG reporter? I have a bridge to sell you.
“who? which one of netanyahu’s “virulent Jewish critics” praised his apology”
I assume Rudoren is referring to politicians to the left of Netanyahu.
“he calls the president unrelenting! the nerve.”
Yes, the nerve of actually discussing how Israelis feel about the Administration’s reaction. I mean, in Mondoweiss land, what mainstream Israelis think and feel are never important, because it might, gasp, present them as human beings, rather than as evil demons.
What is it with these guys the moment they cross 60. They all get religious. He wasn’t even alive during the war. Or before it. What’s he whinging about 1938 for?
“Amazing that these people would accept a gift from a criminal to build a museum in Jerusalem , (occupied territory).It is to be named “The Museum of tolerance” and is to be run by the Simon Wiesanthal centre.Well , I can see why they call it a museum of tolerance.”
ah, the old Zioirony!
“Tolerance” should be struck forever from their lexicon!
Phil, great piece.
But it means your editorial slant here has to get a lot sharper, as in accusatory, focused, laser-sharp. Lethal. This piece is a good first start. Enough with the we-got-to-bring-the-community-around, slowly. You are the community. (Besides, the “community” obviously has the NYT.)
“Hollywood movie mogul Harvey Weinstein told a packed audience at the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s National Tribute Dinner Tuesday night that the way to combat the new wave of anti-Semitism is to “stand up and kick these guys in the ass,” the Los Angeles Times reported.
“It’s like, here we go again, we’re right back where we were [before the Holocaust],” said the 63-year-old Weinstein after accepting the Wiesenthal Center’s Humanitarian Award. “We just can’t take it anymore [from] these crazy bastards.”
Better cover your butts guys.Those inglorious bastards are out to get you.
More from the same article!.
“The other bequests include “a gift of $10 million from the world-renowned philanthropist and chairman of the Milken Institute, along with his wife, Michael and Lori Milken …”
Philanthropist ??.Didn,t he help himself to some 600 million of other peoples money and managed to live the good life in prison in Pleasanton Ca.Zionism has so many Kings , some pushing junk bonds and others pushing junk peace talks.
Amazing that these people would accept a gift from a criminal to build a museum in Jerusalem , (occupied territory).It is to be named “The Museum of tolerance” and is to be run by the Simon Wiesanthal centre.Well , I can see why they call it a museum of tolerance.
OT, but not really, because it’s a graphic record of what Israel IS doing to Palestine.
From the Guardian: Award-winner Heidi Levine’s images of Gaza – in pictures
Your problem is you confuse the lobby with the domestic groups that support the lobby. Take abortion.
1) There are a group of formal lobbies that operate that write pro-choice legislation and provide funding for pro-choice candidates because they are pro-choice.
2) There are a group of lobbies that support socially liberal causes and thus oppose abortion restrictions even though they aren’t formally or primarily pro-choice lobbies.
3) There is a wide group of American for whom abortion is one of their primary motivators on how they vote.
4) There is an even bigger group of Americans who prioritize a basked of social issues including abortion.
5) There is a solid majority of Americans that while not identifying as pro-choice can often be made to rally in opposition to pro-life legislation.
Presidents who are pro-choice get opposed by pro-life factions, presidents who are pro-life get opposed by pro-choice factions. Congress is not beholden to either side.
The situation is similar for other lobbies as well.
Finally in terms of your quote. George Washington would not have approved of the United Nations governing USA policy. The UN is also a foreign power. People like Jonathan Boucher who opposed self determination and rather believed that territories were governed by rights outside the people, that is backed the UN’s position, Washington threw out of the country. What you are arguing for is not just neutrality between Israelis and Palestinians but active USA support the Palestinians, that is not the absence of a foreign attachment but rather a different one. Obama in so far as he has any coherent strategy, is not working for USA disengagement from the middle east but rather a strategic shift away from Israel / Egypt / Saudi Arabia towards Iran and its proxies so as to be better positioned against Sunni extremism. That is not consistent with Washington’s politics either.
Obama’s desire to avoid a war with Iran is popular. Obama’s means of getting there by backing Iran in their territory expansion and legitimizing their uranium enrichment program is not popular. Obama is trying to have it both ways in lashing out at Israel. If the cost of the Iran policy is a much weaker relationship with Israel and thus the bill has a solid 2/3rds opposed in both houses.
If this is just temper then Obama’s fight with Netanyahu plays very similarly to his fight with Jan Brewer. Large population chunks agrees that Governor Brewer was rude to President Obama. They agree that Obama has every right to have a testy relationship with her. But if it came to actually harming Arizona because he didn’t like Brewer his support would quickly erode.
Israel is popular not because of some foreign lobby but because the vast majority of Americans objectively weigh the situation and side with Israel. You’ve been doing a little victory dance as there has been tension. There is tension because there is two sides.
Obama knows that in under a year Hillary is going to have to take one side or the other. If this is still going on in a year Hillary has some unpalatable choices. She can support Obama’s war with Israel speed up the migration of Jews to the Republicans and thus see Florida and possibly Pennsylvania go Republican in 2016? Or she can attack Obama’s Israel policy and potentially depress minority turnout losing states like Ohio, Colorado and Nevada. Obama because so much of his policy is coming from executive orders needs a Dem to win in 2016. Which means he needs this fight over soon. The Republicans for exactly this reason, that Israel is a Democrat wedge issue, want to prolong this fight as long as possible. They would love to talk Israel everyday from now to the election.
Which to pick other issues is precisely the attitude the Republicans used to have on abortion and precisely the attitude the Democrats have today on gay rights. That’s what wedge issues are. There is nothing unusual about it. If Obama wanted to damage America’s ties with England or Mexico you would see the same wedge issue politics just different players.
Many thanks for that beautiful , haunting , sad music !
That must be in reference to the IOF and Dershowitz et al, too!
“Money for nothin’ and chicks for free.”
lol~ I have certainly been accused of ‘worse’ things, Sycamores! Some close to me have told me that my ‘intuition’ is fairly accurate and ‘powerful’.
Seriously, it takes all of us to keep up, and thanks for the link to the video.
When pro-Israel activists claim they speak for all Jews, it stigmatizes Jews everywhere with the biases of these pro-Israel activists.
Not only do Zio-supremacists conflate Israel with all Jews, they also quite anti-Semitically assert – or tacitly support the assertion – that all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews.
Zio-supremacists do all the hateful and immoral sh*t, and when the blowback hits they just point their fingers at the non-Zionist Jews – their cannon-fodder – and say “They’re the ones you want.”
With “friends” like these, who needs enemies?
I see weapons in that picture.
Whenever I think of “blowback”, I have to remember that Reverend Shipman was demonized for suggesting such a thing in a tiny NYT LTE.
“We’ve covered the backlash against a Yale chaplain for his letter to the New York Times saying that Israel’s “carnage” in Gaza and its footdragging on the peace process were a factor in growing anti-Semitism in Europe. Well, that three-sentence letter to the Times has now produced the resignation of the chaplain, Father Bruce Shipman, from the Episcopal Church at Yale.” – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net
I did not see that you had a link to this in your good article, gentlemen. I do apologize if I missed it!:
“The Anti-Semitism Surge That Isn’t
…Here’s what we do know: The Anti-Defamation League, which hardly downplays prejudice against Jews and keeps its own, careful statistics, reports that there is a trend: The number of anti-Semitic incidents on campuses in three of the last four years is actually the lowest it’s been since the ADL started keeping track in 1999.
A deep breath would be a good idea about now.”
Read more: link to forward.com
Jeb Bush surely remembers his father tried to end the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
…….”The Obama administration treats announcements of new apartment buildings in Jerusalem like acts of aggression…..” … “So who’s going to straighten out Jeb Bush’s blatant misconception …”
Okay. The announcements of new apartment buildings located beyond the armistice lines in Jerusalem only constitute an illegal threat of aggression in violation of article 2(4) and Article 24 and 25 of the UN Charter and the applicable Security Council resolutions. Once the apartments are actually built, and the Jewish settlers move in, that will constitute an act of aggression.
For example, Count 3 of the Nuremberg Indictment, i.e. “(J) GERMANIZATION OF OCCUPIED TERRITORIES” charged the Nazis as follows:
In certain occupied territories purportedly annexed to Germany the defendants methodically and pursuant to plan endeavored to assimilate those territories politically, culturally, socially, and economically into the German Reich. The defendants endeavored to obliterate the former national character of these territories. In pursuance of these plans and endeavors, the defendants forcibly deported inhabitants who were predominantly non-German and introduced thousands of German colonists.
— See pdf page 73 (printed page 63) of The International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, Trial of the Major War Criminals, Vol. 1 at the Library of Congress link to loc.gov or see the Indictment, Count 3 “War Crimes” at the Avalon Project link to avalon.law.yale.edu
FYI, the Official documentary record of major US Foreign Policy decisions published by the U.S. State Department contains an entire chapter on “Resolutions proposed by the United States to the General Assembly of the United Nations to encourage the progressive development of international law and its codification” which reveals that it was actually the President of the United States who requested that the UN General Assembly codify the legal principles contained in the Nuremberg Charter as international law. See page 539 & et.seq of the Foreign relations of the United States, 1946. General; the United Nations link to digicoll.library.wisc.edu
The readers’ comments on the NYT piece (especially the readers’ picks) are worth a glance. Comments are now closed, and I can’t help but wonder why – only 1538 of them, about half what you get on a hot topic the the Guardian.
No exceptionalism at all. The Hindus have done just as well if not better in the US. It’s all about education. Their culture is deeper. They don’t whine endlessly like the locals.
Also, why the meanness? The stories about waiting in line were from the workers’ paradise of Bulgaria during the socialist era. I did alright in the US, even though it has been a journey. Not sure what my perceived offense is that you are so personal in your retorts.
Bibi backed into corner showed us who he truly was.
Now we see the same for Jodi. She is driven by carnal fear to protect Israel as she surely senses that it is losing altitude very fast among the liberal elites. Mask dropped.
This woman should never have been hired. And the fact that the NYT gives her front-page coverage indeed shows that the NYT is occupied territory in our media landscape.
Thanks Jeff and Dick. More Islamophobia cloaked as US patriotism on the rise as evidenced by the following story.
Here’s a false flag for you, Sycamores:
“‘Patriot’ Terrorist Frames Muslims With Quran Bomb
The Georgia man who planted a bomb was willing to see innocents die so that people would blame Muslims. And he called himself a ‘patriot.’
I thought I had seen every imaginable way to stoke the flames of anti-Muslim bigotry in America. There have been countless people on Fox News, certain Republican elected officials, the professional bigots, and even some right-wing “Christian” leaders serving up hate in various ways.
But these people all pale in comparison to Michael Sibley. You see, Sibley wasn’t content to just giving us the same old right-wing crap like Muslims wants to impose Islamic law so say goodbye to bacon cheeseburgers and whiskey and say hello to lamb kebobs and strong coffee served in small cups.
Nope, this self-described “patriot” planted a bomb at a national park in Georgia in the hopes that the public would think a Muslim did it. And yes, I know most haven’t heard about this incident. There’s not even a need to mention how different the media coverage would be have been if the bomber had actually been Muslim. I already detailed that scenario earlier this week in my article about a non-Muslim man that attacked federal officers at a U.S. airport with poison spray and a machete while carrying six homemade bombs in a duffel bag.
Sibley, who is 67 years old and lives in Roswell, Georgia, told FBI officers that he planted this bomb because in his view, “no one was paying attention to what was going on the world.” Apparently as a “patriot” he was going to maim or even kill his fellow Americans to wake them up to the threat facing America…
…And while the threat of Muslim-related terrorism attracts headlines, per a 2014 report, only 37 Americans have been killed by such terrorism since 9/11. Meanwhile, in just the last six years, 63 Americans have been killed in the United States by people connected to right-wing hate groups.
But these statistics mean little to those like Sibley who believe that America needs to “wake up” to the threat of Muslim violence, an expression I have seen on numerous anti-Muslim websites. My fear though is that with more Muslim bashing expected in the coming presidential election from some on the right, we may see even more Sibleys who would literally sacrifice other Americans to achieve their goal of inspiring anti-Muslim bigotry.”
read the whole thing here @ link to thedailybeast.com
@seafoid it’s not a facade and I am not a ‘bot”. Just trying to bring some nuance. Social media and complexity are not like horse and carriage.
P.S. The New York Times has in effect become a quasi-official publication of the “U.S. Jewish Establishment”. Consequently, it’s primary goal is to use ‘spin’ to quash as much criticism (no matter how warranted/deserved) of Israel as possible!
Pour another one for me too, please.
“American Jews prosper because they study for decades and learn how to design houses and create new medicines and fix teeth.”
rotflmao!!!!! ziocaine- induced exceptionalism at its best!
“Don’t be so envious, come to this country instead and you can be “comfortable” as well.”
And here I was remembering that you always suffer:
“I have always been squeezed and lived among the squeezed. I am living the affluence here in the States but inside I will aways be a 7 year old boy with boogers waiting in line in the cold for the once a year oranges.” – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net
seafoid really does not appear to need your advice on where to travel..
RE: “This is the journalistic equivalent of the Tom Cotton neocon letter: a foreign prime minister is given the top space in the New York Times to suggest again and again that Obama has gone off the rails.” ~ Weiss
MY COMMENT: Speaking of “Cotton”, I can’t help but be reminded of Cotton Mather. Go figure!
FROM WIKIPEDIA [Cotton Mather]:
Cotton Mather, FRS (February 12, 1663 – February 13, 1728; A.B. 1678, Harvard College; A.M. 1681, honorary doctorate 1710, University of Glasgow) was a socially and politically influential New England Puritan minister, prolific author and pamphleteer; he is often remembered for his scientific role in early hybridization experiments, his stance as an early proponent of inoculation in America, and for his role in the Salem witch trials. . .
. . . Bancroft notes that [Cotton] Mather considered witches “among the poor, and vile, and ragged beggars upon Earth,”:85 and Bancroft asserts that Mather considered the people against the [Salem] witch trials to be witch advocates.:85 . . .
SOURCE – link to en.wikipedia.org
Trouble is, if the MSM reports of these things omit the salient details — the details which “prove” that the so-called antisemitic actions are “blowback” — then the “blowback” assertion fails to be proved to the general public. The public doesn’t know what it doesn’t see.
It’s like the modern USA trials (often “security” related) in which judges forbid exculpatory evidence to be shown to the jury and forbid cross-examination of prosecution witnesses.
Is this more of the establishment Jews taking controlling of the narrative that
you predicted a few days ago? They are not going to do it! They are worthless,
ineffective, and dishonest with themselves. A diaspora cult that is more odd
each day passing.
Come on, stop pretending that Rudoren wasn’t a hand picked Brooklyn
apparatchik, as this article is a further example of her stenography on display.
RE: Yesterday I spent $2.50 on the New York Times and splashed across the top right two columns of the front page was Jodi Rudoren’s piece from Jerusalem titled “Rebukes From White House Risk Buoying Netanyahu.” The article is a full-on assault on President Obama for taking on Netanyahu over his repudiation of the two-state solution and his election day racism, and it is disingenuous from start to finish, beginning with the headline. ~ Weiss
MY COMMENT: Jodi Rudoren has turned out to be a godawful dissapointment. The New York Times is no longer even fit to be used as a ‘fish wrapper’. In an emergency, it might be suitable for use in picking up your dog’s excrement off a city sidewalk. But, it is just barely suitable for that. And, only in a real emergency!
The Fed and the one percent are driving the US over the cliff. I don’t think it’s advisable, myself. Certainly not in a democracy.
Janet is hopeless.
Watch as Wall St’s fantasy about Main St wage inflation crashes and burns this summer. Equities are trading at 27 times average earnings over the last 10 years.
Credit is priced with zero risk margin.
Also, catalan, it’s very hard to maintain the façade of neutrality as a bot, innit
I can’t believe that it was 4 years ago, seafoid.
I hope you are right when you write: “Obama has played Netanyahu like a violin. The shouty small dog versus the wily fox.”
I know you are right with this: “Netanyahu has been relentless, the asshole.”
Obama has played Netanyahu like a violin. The shouty small dog versus the wily fox.
Netanyahu has been relentless, the asshole.
“Only a fraction of Obama’s May 19 speech was allotted to Israel and the creation of a Palestinian state. Yet the concrete language of that part—which contained names and dates, if not numbers—drew immediate and heated comment. The most controversial sentence was doubtless this: “The dream of a Jewish and democratic state cannot be fulfilled with permanent occupation.” It was a plain statement of an obvious truth. Obama, in addition, said that the shape of a Palestinian state would be based on the 1967 borders of Israel, only altered in accordance with “mutually agreed [land] swaps.”
This had been the common understanding and phraseology of American-Israeli-Palestinian discussions over two decades; but in the past several years, the word “1967” was used less than before; and this became the detail Benjamin Netanyahu seized upon. Immediately after the speech, he issued a statement in Jerusalem that the 1967 borders of Israel were “indefensible.” He repeated the same objection after he met with Obama in the White House. The differences between the two leaders were played out once more in their speeches to the annual AIPAC convention.
Without backing down, Obama explained the meaning of his reference to 1967: the borders of course would not stay the same, but land swaps would offset the differences. This candor, on the occasions when Obama shows it, is an impressive quality, and it seemed to be appreciated even by the AIPAC audience. Besides, on May 19 he conceded most of what Netanyahu could have asked. He alluded to Gaza only once. He offered no criticism of new Israeli settlements, as he had done in Cairo two years ago, and made no mention of the dispossession of Palestinians on the West Bank.
From his silence on these points, it was clear that after the failure of the most recent shuttle diplomacy and the resignation of George Mitchell on May 13, Obama personally planned to initiate no further negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. He trusted that under the visible pressure of an Arab Spring of their own, now gathering on both sides of Israel’s borders, most Israelis would eventually see his words as a kindly prophecy.
Netanyahu struck back as if Obama had mounted a deliberate assault with a threat of lasting enmity. Yet Netanyahu’s speech to AIPAC was emollient compared to his speech to Congress on May 24. There he made a conquest that can have few precedents. He began with brash familiarity, in a backslapping salute to Joe Biden; spoke with boyish humor about his early years as a diplomat within the Beltway, and his knowledge of an America beyond it; reestablished, with passion and simplicity, the close ties between America and Israel that Obama had sought to view with an impartial loyalty; in short, pulled out all the stops to undercut President Obama on his native ground. The speech itself was a tissue of clichés, anecdotes, and half-truths, but delivered with dramatic buoyancy and urgency as if his life depended on it.
Congress gave Netanyahu twenty-nine standing ovations. How did he do it? By presenting himself to his audience as an all-but-American politician—one less lucky than they, and more brave, a leader with a fight on his hands; a real fight, in his own backyard and not six thousand miles away. He spoke with gusto of his part in an earlier episode of that never-ending war:
I was nearly killed in a firefight inside the Suez Canal—I mean that literally: inside the Suez Canal. I was going down to the bottom, with a forty-pound pack, ammunition pack on my back, and somebody reached out to grab me and they’re still looking for the guy who did such a stupid thing.
Netanyahu did not speak of the subsidized increase of Israeli settlements that accounts for the “certain facts on the ground” he had mentioned at the White House. He invoked the biblical names of Judea and Samaria as if they were as natural to modern Israel as St. Louis is to the state of Missouri. And Congress loved him, or seemed to think it should, from the very moment when he said in a flattering exordium: “Congratulations America. Congratulations, Mr. President. You got bin Laden. Good riddance!” The performance combined the maximum of demagogy with the maximum of smarm, and it mixed aggression, paternalism, and a preening collective self-love, in proportions that Netanyahu assumed Americans would be comforted by. Israel, this speech said, has everything in common with America. We are the home of freedom and wisdom among the ancients, just as you Americans are among the moderns.
Netanyahu’s speech to Congress was also part of a larger strategy of his right-wing coalition. He got his invitation to address Congress from Eric Cantor, the House majority leader, and the Republican Party is now working to detach Jewish donors from the Democrats and to convert Republicans at large to the Likud and neoconservative politics that support a greater Israel. In the pitch offered to Americans, taking sections of the West Bank from Palestinians is as warranted as the taking of lands from American Indians. Mike Huckabee has indicated his sympathy with this point of view. Sarah Palin wore a Star of David on her necklace in her recent liberty tour. Glenn Beck has planned a mass event, “Restoring Courage,” on August 24 at the Southern Wall excavations in the city of Jerusalem. Americans of the chauvinist and evangelical right are being invited to think of Israel as a second homeland.
Considered as a response to this predicament, Obama’s speech at the State Department, with its broad-gauge pronouncements and its candor regarding Palestine, was utterly overmatched by Netanyahu’s speech to Congress. It is an unhappy fact of politics that victory goes to the pressure that will not let up. Netanyahu’s belief in his immoderate purpose is stronger than Obama’s belief in his moderate purpose.”
Good catch, irishmoses! It’s terribly “disjointed”.
“Do I detect the beginnings of panic about the dual loyalty issue?”
It’s long overdue, imho. This proverbial “third rail” needs to be rendered safe for people to talk about. So do many others wrt “ally” Israel.
Oh, go ahead and add Leon Panetta to the list~ he’s being interviewed by Mrs. Greenspan.
“Iranians cannot be trusted” he says. He pulls out his bonafides as former Sec Def and head of the CIA as if it justifies his statement… he reduces the relationship with Israel to “personality differences” and says it’s terribly important to repair the relationship for our security.
not forgetting false flags
Another swastika at GW. This one was posted by a Jewish student
By Susan Svrluga March 18
A swastika was posted on the bulletin board of a Jewish fraternity in a George Washington University dorm on Monday, leading upset students to immediately report it to police.
The symbol — recognized as an emblem of hate from Nazi Germany — apparently came from an internal source: A member of the fraternity, who is Jewish, admitted that he posted it there. The student said that he brought it back from a spring break trip to India, according to university officials.
very informative if you have the time to watch a 2 hour video of Dr. Norman Finkelstein addressing ‘New Antisemitism’. Hosted by SJP UW-Madison on 3/12/2015
Thanks, Annie. I remember that article and the great photos of Ahmed Talat Hasan… Ettinger poses a clear and present danger to Palestinians, ergo he’s not to be incarcerated.
from the linked MW article by you and Kate:
“International Middle East Media Center (IMEMC) reports photographer Ahmed Talat Hasan, who shot all the photos in the article above, was “kidnapped” by the Israeli military yesterday.” – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net
Here’s a link to his twitter.
He’s still doing amazing photography.
Early on P Obama mentioned he was noticing a shift in the U.S. attitude about the I/P issue. You can bet he or his people follow many websites including this one. Listen to Cspan’s Washington Journal callers….repeating facts about the conflict. Accurate reporting in the Msm about the massacre in Gaza. Along with him having the foreign policy credits that both Biden and Kerry have under their belts. Bet his people are listening and documenting shift
Jewish journalist and other journalist changing their reporting tunes slowly but surely. Reporting more honestly about the decades of failed negotiations, Israel’s persistent building of illegal settlements etc
Carter has said that Obama has never called him to consult about this issue. Too bad. Thought I have heard Obama or someone mention Dr. Zbig’s input with the administration.
Add to all of the signs that the wind has shifted to the fact that Obama seems to really get how Israel’s unwillingness to stop building settlements, massacres are horrific but also seriously undermine not only Israel’s security based on internationally recognized borders but the U.S.;s national security. He gets it.
it’s so astounding just. to take a posture that obama is relentless after years and years of obtrusive bullying behavior from the israel lobby! it’s as if to say ‘the nerve of anyone hitting them back.’
i’m thinking of the fullpage boteach nyt ‘genocide’ advertisement w/the skulls. that personifies the kind of bullying directed at the administration. it’s disgusting – an almost constant assault.
Thanks, Annie, for another simple and well-reasoned analysis of hophmi’s hasbara.
I live in the USA. Seafoid always talks how American Jews have it so good and I extended an invitation. The Irish here are managing quite well as well.
If Obama wants to destroy the power of the Israel Lobby, he should authorize some leaks about the truth about the sinking of the U.S.S. Liberty.
just, this report from last year – ettinger is one of the violent settlers. link to mondoweiss.net (scroll, but he’s in the top photo here). he was also one of the people that attacked the military base for threatening to dismantle an outpost. these people would likely be dead if they were palestinians, certainly imprisoned. but the kahanists have strong political backing in israel so they offend w/impunity. the chances he will stay out of the WB for a year? impossible. he’s the prodigal son of the one they are worship – the kahanists.
The whole image is grotesque and sexist. A crazy woman is trying to kill you, so you merely hold her wrists and then have to slap her? That sounds more like a comedian’s funny haha depiction of domestic violence. It reminds me of the “funny” depictions of violence against women in shows and movies from the 1950’s that I’ve seen–Maher is a couple of generations behind the times, though he does have an appreciative audience.
It’s not ironic as much as to be expected. It is just another instance of starting the clock at a point in time convenient for them. We see it all the time in their murderous assaults on civilians and children.
I wonder if they are truly that dishonest or if they do some mental gymnastics along the lines of we are a moral people. Therefore all we do is moral. Therefore anything said, or done, that doesn’t support us is immoral. Immoral behaviour must be called out but moral behaviour is beyond question.
Since the speech, the racist spew, the election and more, the US has either vetoed or boycotted 2 UN issues wrt Israel/Palestine.
“The UN Commission on the Status of Women has approved a resolution blaming Israel’s ongoing occupation of Palestinian territory for “the grave situation of Palestinian women.”
……….The 45-member commission on Friday adopted the resolution, which was sponsored by Palestine and South Africa, by a vote of 27-2 with 13 abstentions. The United States and Israel voted against it while European Union members abstained.”
– See more at: link to mondoweiss.net
““The United States strongly and unequivocally opposes the very existence of Agenda Item 7 and any UNHRC resolutions that come from it,” the US Ambassador to the UNHRC Keith Harper said on Monday. He explained that his country had joined Israel in boycotting the debate.
……Still on Monday five EU countries — Sweden, Slovenia, Luxembourg, Ireland and Malta — broke rank with that policy and censured Israel. ……….”
– See more at: link to mondoweiss.net
You can add Indyk, Ross, Power, Bolton, Albright, Kirkpatrick et al to “the entire israel lobby enterprise”. But, you know that.
“…..how much are we supposed to take before we decide to bite back? ever, anything? when? 9 months of wasted negotiations months of diplomacy completely down the tubes because israel refused to budge. ”
You rightly ask “how much more”, Annie!
If not now, when?
“Don’t be so envious, come to this country instead and you can be “comfortable” as well.” catalan.
Envious of what??.
A law breaking, war mongering, land stealing oppressive compulsive self serving pariah state sans borders on it,s way out.
I suggest you seek help catalan.And do it soon.And dare I say , Seafoid is hardly likely to be comfortable in such a poisonous environment and that you are says it all .I would afford you the emotion of pity if you deserved it.Au contraire, you only deserve disdain and disgust.
As to your remarks about Jews studying for decades , that is pure racism.Jews, (not all ) are destroying houses.Is that what takes decades of learning.
It’s understood that politicians can’t be trusted–it’s a truism. They want to be re-elected and they will ditch any principle to achieve that goal. Maher prides himself on looking at the facts and telling unpleasant truths. I think he’s a pompous jerk and not just on the I/P conflict–his comparison of Hamas and Israel to a crazed woman being slapped by a man shows he is an ass on other subjects as well. And he has an enthusiastic audience who defends him on everything.
He’s got his niche, just like Fox News.
What is disgusting about the American political scene is how much attention is paid to people who just aren’t that bright or insightful, but they have a way with “witty” invective, though the wit is often in the eye of the beholder. People like Maher because he insults other people they don’t like. Fox News is loved by conservatives for the same reason. It’s a common flaw, and I share it, but it’s not a good way to approach issues. What is bothersome is that, unfortunately, Maher has enough of a platform and is taken seriously enough that people think they have to refute him.