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  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • Some excellent cut downs of JeffB's sophomoric and moronic hasbara.

      On a side note, I must say that the comments blogs at Huffington Post and Foreign Policy are unanimously critical of Israel - with the odd Israeli propagandist repeating the talking points you mentioned ad nauseum.

  • Arab reporters come under attack from Israelis (87)
  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • As an aside, International trade Israel has generally agreed to contingent upon Hamas being a peaceable neighbor.

      As always, one would expect that to be a two way commitment, but as is always the case with Israel, the fine print includes a clause that they are not obliged to.

      So for example in 2009 when Hamas agreed to no more rockets, Israel permitted a 20% increase in goods trucked into Gaza, up from 70 to 90 truckloads a day.

      And then Israel had the itch and felt the need to "mow the lawn" in 2012 and bombed Gaza, violating the ceasefire.

      Israel has clearly indicated those numbers can go up the more cooperative Hamas becomes.

      What they don't tell you is that they reserve the right to bomb Gaza regardless and that Hamas' cooperation is contingent on them not firing back.

      So less cooperative = Hamas did not stand still and allow us to give them a bloody nose without retaliating.

      So when the Israelis cleared a swamp to create farm land they weren’t stealing farmland from Palestinians they were creating property.

      It is when that land is outside the borders of the state of Israel. If I were to climb the fence into someone else's property who had neglected their garden for example, it does not become mine if I tend to it as rehabilitate and landscape it.

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship (111)
  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
    • I'm glad to hear about Lucy Aharish - the voice, hitherto highly muted, of Palestinian citizens of Israel would be able, if only it would grow a bit louder, to make a very positive contribution. Likewise with the large, but also hitherto muted, voice of Palestinians in the West. I presume that the appearance of Rula J with Chris H was her second relevant one, after the first that cost her several cancelled appearances? That too suggests a slight break in the ice.
      I suppose that there are some inhibiting internal tensions among Palestinians in Israel and abroad?

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • 2 more killed after Israel took off the gloves

      link to theguardian.com

      "IDF Soldiers Dmitri Lavitas (26) Natan Cohen (23) killed yesterday in Gaza after being hit by sniper"

      Israel floundering over BGA

      " Israel's transportation minister has ordered Ovda military airport, which to be opened to commercial international flights after foreign airlines cancelled flights to and from Ben-Gurion airport in Tel Aviv, the Jerusalem Post reports.
      Ovda Airport is located in Beersheba, in southern Israel, which has also been under heavy Gazan rocket fire in the past few weeks. "

    • Akiid ya Walid but I wouldn't give up the Palestinians just yet. This Gaza lawnmowing episode is very interesting. Lots of dynamics can play out over the next few years. Israel is so committed to what is a lunatic policy and the world is picking up on it. Even if the Arabs are all led by donkeys I would still put money on the Palestinians to better their situation.

    • seafood, it's hoped that the Palestinians aren't going to sing that 2000-year song for just as long. Current Palestinians in the former Palestine have either been or will be ghettoized with not much worrying being done about them, those naturalized in Western countries are comfortable where they are and the only real pressure coming is from those in the camps of Syria, Lebanon and Jordan but these aren't allowed to raise their voices. Who's to fuss about the refugees when the Arabs themselves aren't bothering?

  • Watch: 9 Jewish activists arrested after occupying Friends of the Israel Defense Forces office (19)
    • JVP should go to HaDersh's office and bring attention to his homocidal ranting

      link to haaretz.com
      "Both morality and the rule of law demand equal treatment of all murders. They also demand an acknowledgment of the difference between the deliberate murder of innocent civilians and the legitimate military actions of a government seeking to protect its citizens, even when those military actions cause unavoidable civilian casualties among the human shields widely employed by Israel’s enemies. "

      link to electronicintifada.net

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • Hamas must think Israelis are stupid by offering Israel a hudna that it will readily break when its strong enough and when its in its interest to do so.

      It's Israel that keeps breaking the ceasefires, not Hamas. It's Israel that cannot be trusted to observe a simple ceasefire.

      Reigniting Violence: How Do Ceasefires End?
      link to huffingtonpost.com

      Israel agree to them then break them, citing special reasons or claiming they are allowed to keep killing under a ceasefire.

      Hamas has two choices: it can lay down its arms unconditionally and surrender or face complete annihilation.

      You wish. Hamas has revealed that Israel cannot deal with Hamas by military means alone.

    • It's interesting to read Israel's attitude before they started the offensive

      link to theguardian.com

      "In a comment piece in Yediot Ahronot, Israeli journalist Alex Fishman suggested: "As far as it is concerned, Hamas' going ballistic over Israel will position it anew as a relevant player in the region and relieve it from its political and economic troubles. The leaders of Hamas are no longer discussing a ceasefire. They are trying to ride the wave of violence by Israeli Arabs and Palestinians in the West Bank with the purpose of garnering the support of the entire Palestinian public. And the solution for hitting Hamas without paying a price has not yet been invented, whether in the Israeli home front or in the international arena."
      Israeli army spokesman Lt Col Peter Lerner said: "They [Hamas] chose the direction of escalation. So the mission will go on as long as we feel it is necessary to carry it out. We don't expect it to be a short mission on our behalf."

      Now they are looking for an exit

      link to haaretz.com
      "One idea making the rounds in the defense establishment, the foreign ministry and among experts in think tanks with direct links to the Prime Minister’s and Defense Minister’s bureaus is to recreate the exit plan from the second Lebanon War. According to this idea, Israel, in coordination with the US and other allies, as well as with Egypt and the Arab League, will propose a Security Council Resolution, similar to Resolution number 1701 which ended that war in 2006. "

      Life is full of surprises
      link to ft.com

      "A company that is relentlessly focused on an old rival may compete with it very efficiently but ignore the fact that a new one is sneaking up. It can become blinkered to the true threat by its obsession with the past."

    • If UNRWA handed them to Hamas where's the problem? Hamas is the authority. Hamas is permitted to be armed... Morons for Israel seem to think only the rogue state is allowed arms

    • Return is valid for up to 2000 years, Walid.
      10 years is a drop in the ocean.

    • Shingo, a 10-year hudna serves to let Israel, the Palestinians and the rest of Arabs keep the right of return issue under the rug as by 10 years from now, about 95% of 1948 refugees will have died. For years now, all talk is centered on the siege, on checkpoints, on 67 lines with and without swaps, but never about the return of Palestinians. Israel has succeeded in messing up the Arabs' heads so much with other issues that the return has practically become a dead one.

  • Arab reporters come under attack from Israelis (87)
    • Mr Danny Danon of Likud says of the FAA's decision to ban incoming American flights

      link to jpost.com

      “I hope this decision will be changed ” .

      Great to see him whining and powerless.
      Nice change from this

      where he says "we don't need to get permission from anyone" .

      To paraphrase Oscar Wilde 's comment on Dickens' The Old Curiosity Shop

      “One must have a heart of stone to read the death of Israel's famed deterrence without laughing.”

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • why only 10 years?
      why not a permanent truce.

      10 years is enough time to build trust and begin reconciliation. At least it would be if we weren't talking about Israel.

    • But meanwhile:
      March 12–14 60 rockets
      April 19 rockets
      June 53 rockets

      That’s not acceptable behavior. They deserve punishment.

      Israel 7,700 shells fired at Gaza Sept 2005 - June 2006

      What punishment would you prescribe?

    • Now how about the rockets and tunnels.

      Israeli rockets you mean?

    • I’m sorry but your use of words “b*tching” and “whining” prevents me from fully responding to your comment.

      I guess if one takes away your “b*tching” and “whining” it doesn't leave you with a lot to say does it?

  • The fascists wanted to murder us: An eyewitness account of Haifa's anti-war protest (21)
    • Where were you when they built the Dimona facility and then lied to the world about its existence. You’re only worried about it now?

      Very good point Marnie.

      According to Israel, Dimona is officially a textile factory. And if Israel says it, it must be true, unless Palikari is suggestion the government of Israel lies.

  • Arab reporters come under attack from Israelis (87)
    • "Is there any word on whether or not HB intends to get involved?"

      dbroncos, not a word other than for Nasrallah's statement that they stand by the Palestinian resistance and that Gaza must not fall, which could mean nothing other than moral support. But if the massacres don't stop, it will reach a point where I think something could happen.

    • "Walid I thought Dahlan was living in UAE? Did he relocate?"

      My mistake, Sumud, I have my villains and villainous countries all mixed up. My scorecard is filled up with so many corrections and changes.

    • I can't help a certain grim satisfaction with flights to Israel being cancelled. It recalls the years Lebanese inside and outside Lebanon could only get in and out of Lebanon via the ferry from Jounieh to Cyprus. If Israelis only feel a little bit of the pain they have inflicted on us....

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
    • Lucy Aharish is a Palestinian TV anchor on Israeli TV
      link to haaretz.com

      "The previous day, Benzi Gopstein – a merry Israeli trouper from Kiryat Arba in the West Bank – was a guest on the current-affairs program she hosts on Channel 2 (“Sihat Hayom” – “Talk of the Day”). Gopstein expounded his doctrine about Arabs’ place in Israeli society (according to him, they have none) and argued with the members of the panel, with the elephant standing right there in the room – in this case, the program host, an Arab woman, who sat there, doing a slow burn until she reached boiling point.

      On Monday, Aharish began her program with a calm, well-considered monologue. When reality-show refugee Dan Manu tried to defend Gopstein’s appearance, Aharish pulled out all the stops, releasing the feelings she had kept inside for so long.

      “Do you know what it’s like to be a minority in this country? I hope you never find out what it’s like to be a minority,” she told him, and shared some of the experiences of a person living between two societies and feeling like a hated stranger in each of them. "

      Go female Palestinian journos!

  • Naomi Wolf walked out of synagogue when they had nothing to say about Gaza massacre (54)
  • Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media (234)
    • @ Mikhael "The side of justice was chosen when a state was founded by Jews for the Jewish People in their ancient homeland some 667 years ago"

      According to the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT "as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947" Israel has not since legally acquired ANY further territories. (It has been illegal to acquire territory by war, ANY WAR, since at least 1933 link to pages.citebite.com )

      "Nothing could be more just than a people ....etc etc etc... in its original land"

      Your nonsense doesn't compute pal. The State of Israel was declared in considerably different territory from the alleged/mythical/historical homeland of the Jewish people. Israel has never legally acquired any territory since being proclaimed and recognized as the Israeli Government pleaded to be recognized, per UNGA 181.

      " Hamas, a regime with explicitly worded genocidal intent as specifically detailed in its founding document"

      Would that be Article 31 ziocolonistas dare not cite?
      Article Thirty-One: “As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly.” (The Tried – verse 8).

      "End the forced imposition of strict interpretations of Sharia law in Gaza and let the Muslim people of Gaza etc etc etc..."

      Problem. Hamas are drawn from the population of Gaza atheist, Christian, Muslim. Your repetition of ignorant and really stupid Israeli propaganda mantras only reveals that you believe really stupid ignorant Israeli propaganda mantras.

      "Non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish state of Israel have exactly all of the same legal and civic rights as those citizens of the State of Israel who happen to be Jewish"

      Same old tired idiotic propaganda bullsh*t! Some folk have no religion and some religions do not observe the Sabbath, they're penalized by the Jewish state.

      " just as non-ethnic Greek citizens of the Hellenic Republic of Greece (e.g., ethnic Turks, ethnic Slavs who are Greek citizens) have the same legal and civic rights as non-ethnic Greeks"

      Really? They have the enforced equivalent of the Sabbath. WOW! I wonder if they know...

      " Citizens of the Jewish state who are not of Jewish nationality, in accord with the literal text of the founding document Israeli Declaration of Independence "participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions."

      Uh huh. Those words were written when Jewish forces under Plan Dalet were busy dispossessing people who should have had a right to Israeli citizenship, as if the drafters of the declaration didn't know what Jewish forces were up to. IOW it's inherent bullsh*t drafted by zionist colonizers!

      "In Israel, a State of the Jewish People worldwide as well as all of its citizens "

      That's not what the Declaration says pal.

      Accordingly we, members of the People's Council, representatives of the Jewish Community of Eretz-Israel and of the Zionist Movement, are here assembled on the day of the termination of the British Mandate over Eretz-Israel and, by virtue of our natural and historic right and on the strength of the resolution of the United Nations General Assembly, hereby declare the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel.

      You're claiming Israel was declared on behalf of Jews no matter what their citizenship. But they have to gain Israeli citizenship. It ISN'T automatic.

      "it is possible for .... Salim Joubran, to sit on the Supreme Court of Israel and interpret Israeli law ... "

      Is it 20% of the judiciary? 20% of the Parliament? And even if it was, so what? Wouldn't that be NORMAL? Why do you need to make a point of something that should be but isn't NORMAL? BTW what relevance has it to Israel's ILLEGAL policies in NON-Israeli territory? Absolutely NIL! IOW it's typical of the nonsensical drivel we hear from Israel's apologists

      " In Israel, a non-Jew, Colonel Ghassan Elian ... etc etc ... In Israel, non-Jewish citizens represent the state diplomatically at the ambassadorial level .... non-Jews have served in Israeli governments at the cabinet minister level ... "

      So what? It doesn't change the fact that Israel is in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions, i.e. a rogue state

      "One group that will never be admitted en bloc into our country are Arab foreigners claiming spuriously to be refugees"

      That's odd. Israel admitted some 500,000 Arab Jews, refugees from the Arab States in 1948 - 52. BTW UNRWA catered for them in Israel until Israel finally decided to look after them

      "As a person who supports justice"

      Your dialogue betrays that notion.

      " I support the rights of those Arabic-language speakers who have recently adopted a Palestinian national identity to obtain self-determination in part of the territory they regard as historically theirs, where they form a majority of the population."

      Bravo..

      " When that happens, it will be their responsibility to address the settlement demands of those Arabs who are styled "stateless Palestinian refugees" in their Palestinian state"

      Why? They had no right to citizenship in territories slated for the Arab state. Earlier you quoted the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel.... are you now saying it was the bullsh*t it has proven to be!?

      " they will never have a right to demand the settlement of Arab foreigners in a neighboring, independent and sovereign Jewish state"

      Uh? They already DID have and still do have a right to Israeli citizenship, it's in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel you silly silly person! Unless of course it's bullsh*t!

  • Gaza onslaught is p.r. problem for Israel's 'moral authority' -- Albright (30)
    • Albright's squeamishness seems restricted to the children dying that we can see. Apparently she thought that children dying that she couldn't see on her twitter feed (Iraq) was ok. The price was worth it.

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
    • I appreciate that he let her talk--I respect him for having her on, but he was offbase in some of his comments.

    • Al-Qassam Brigades were claiming 52 Israeli soldiers dead last time I checked a few hours back. I think the Israeli govt is slow in releasing info on the dead partly to stem the pushback against such a high number.

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • UNWRA has said that they turned them over to the “authorities”. With no Fatah in Gaza, this means Hamas. UNWRA said since they don’t have bomb disposal experts themselves, who else would take them away.

      The authority is the PA. Stop lying.

    • I bet you'd know Occupation if you experienced it, Jon.

    • Defining the “occupation” is one of the key problems.

      Rubbish.

      The definition of what is occupied is clearly and unambiguously defined, in spite of Israel's attempt to confuse the issue.

  • You are not Alone: To Palestinians on July 20, 2014 (17)
    • Yes, our leaders, including the Congress knows this is a massacre, and that disproportionately, the Palestinians are being slaughtered, at the pretext of looking for Hamas weapons, yet, they have once again given it unwavering support, and are also ready to send the war criminals, MORE aid, so that they are able to kill more Palestinians. It is utterly disgusting. They do this in our name.
      People are not asleep in the US, the are simply brainwashed into thinking that
      the nation fully armed and financed by us, with one of the 10th most powerful military in the world, and who is the 6th biggest arms manufacturer, are the victims of unarmed occupied people. The death toll show 80 percent of those killed are civilians (with a high number of children), so really, there is no doubt we are deliberately taking the side of a brutal war criminal. Israel is one of the most disliked nations of the world, and it keeps showing the world why it deserves to be disliked.

  • Gaza onslaught is p.r. problem for Israel's 'moral authority' -- Albright (30)
  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • UNWRA has said that they turned them over to the "authorities". With no Fatah in Gaza, this means Hamas. UNWRA said since they don't have bomb disposal experts themselves, who else would take them away.

  • In Photos: Worldwide protest against Israeli attack on Gaza (Updated) (216)
    • Citizen says:
      July 14, 2014 at 5:47 am

      @ Stephen Shenfield
      Those planes cost who a lot of money?

      US Government: Don't worry, put them on our tab!

  • Gaza onslaught is p.r. problem for Israel's 'moral authority' -- Albright (30)
  • In Photos: Worldwide protest against Israeli attack on Gaza (Updated) (216)
    • It is almost certainly deliberate and I don't understand why the moderators don't require 'Pat Nguyen' to change the name, unless that is his/her real name.

  • Watch: 9 Jewish activists arrested after occupying Friends of the Israel Defense Forces office (19)
  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • Oh my the hubris in your comment-that Gaza can sell it's own gas...is A GIVEN. Why should Gaza need Israel's permission to sell what it owns???

    • From DN again, Gideon Levy on 'A Just Peace':

      GIDEON LEVY: You just have to look at the record. I mean, sure, Israel wants peace. Israel just doesn’t want a just peace. And it’s all about justice. You look backwards, and you ask yourself: In which stage, in which moment, was Israel willing to give up the occupation? Give me one example in which there was a genuine readiness to put an end to the occupation. It was never there. It was all about gaining time and maintaining the status quo. And it’s also now about gaining time and maintaining the status quo—namely, the West Bank occupied, Gaza under siege, peaceful life in Israel. This formula cannot last forever. And I wish I’ll be wrong, but I cannot recall one example in which there was a genuine willingness to put an end to the occupation. This was never. There were all kind of—we had Oslo. We had other peace talks. But it was never there.

      And if you want the most ultimate proof for it, it’s the settlements. Nobody is saying we’ll continue to build settlements if he has an intention to return those lands. But Israel never stopped building settlements. And as Israel never stopped building settlements, Israel said to the Palestinians and to the world, "I have no intention to give up this piece of land.""

      link to democracynow.org

      (I hope he stays safe...)

    • Defining the "occupation" is one of the key problems. Is it all the land, everything more than the 1947 UN partition, everything other than 1967 borders? Israel has not defined its borders and each Palestinian group defines "occupation" differently.

  • Gaza onslaught is p.r. problem for Israel's 'moral authority' -- Albright (30)
    • I do indeed worry for Richard Engel's safety. He did an outstanding report tonight on Red Crescent ambulances being shot at by the IDF and said (crucially) that he saw no evidence that they were ferrying guns or bombs (as Israel claims). This is the kind of ballsy reporting that I would think Israel and its Amen Corner here would find very "unhelpful." Stay safe Richard.

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • Mike Bloomberg is quite the trooper. He is taking the El-Al flight to TelAviv tonight, to show that the airport should be kept open. So patriotic of him.
      Wow, sometimes they act like Israel is the 51st state, or can it be they treat the US like it belongs to Israel?
      So any bets who will be next? Menendez, Jane Harmon, Barbara Boxer, Ros-Lehtinen, McCain, Lindsey Graham, Engel, Adelson, how about the entire congress?

    • No doubt Zionists will milk this for all it's worth.

  • You are not Alone: To Palestinians on July 20, 2014 (17)
  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • Gideon Levy was on Democracy Now today. Here's his response to the Hamas proposal:

      "GIDEON LEVY: Look, we tend to beat our enemies and never to listen to them. And many times, listening even to the enemy, even to the most bitter enemy, can serve a much better cause than beating and beating and beating. And unfortunately, Israel is just using the violence right now without listening to their conditions. I don’t know if their conditions are acceptable. I don’t know if those are really their conditions. But they say it very clearly: They ask for freedom for Gaza, they ask to lift the siege. Can you recall a more just require than this? But I’ll say something more than this. Doesn’t it serve the interests of Israel, seeing Gaza free and seeing Gaza building its economy and not living those unhuman conditions in the biggest cage in the world, which creates only more hatred and more violence? So, it is really at our door now to decide. Do we want to go from one cycle to the other, from one circle of bloodshed to the other, not solving anything? Or are we willing, once and for all, to put a real, just solution to the problem of Gaza?"

      much more here, including video: link to democracynow.org

    • No, that's not what prevents you, hasbara liar. What prevents you from responding to talknic's excellent comment is your impotence in the face of truth.

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • "... but Israel is not a losing side."

      So I guess you're a proponent of "might makes right." By this logic, if the Germans had been the victors in WWII, they would have no obligation to not carry out the holocaust? Do I understand your logic correctly?

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
    • 1450 missiles launched from Gaza is the equivalent of 217,500 missiles launched from Cuba to USA (1450*150).

      3000 bombs and shells fired by Israel into Gaza all with a power 100 times that of a rocket x 150 = 450,000 ordinance.

  • Watch: 9 Jewish activists arrested after occupying Friends of the Israel Defense Forces office (19)
    • "One legal observer told me that passers-by screamed epithets at them and one threw an iced drink at those gathered in protest."
      What's a legal observer? Is it someone who was there legally? Is it a lawyer? Is it someone who is placed there for lawyerly purposes?

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • The disaster of Israeli society is that they're clinging to an illusion that has a tragic end. And when I see them lolling around on the beaches and cafes while this slaughter is happening, I say: they deserve whatever karma they're creating.

    • Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird condemned Tuesday rockets which were discovered in a UNRWA run school in Gaza, and also the fact that the UN organization in all likelyhood, passed the rockets to Hamas officials.

      Very funny potato man. The Harper giverent to is even more fanatically pro Iseael than Bush was.

      The aim that UNWRA passed these on to Has is blatant lie. Why would UNWRA complain and then hand them to Hamas?

      Hasbara fail.

    • This article is one big joke. Hamas doesn’t want peace and hasn’t offered any 10 years truce. Look at the following interview with Hamas spokesman:

      Hasbara alert. Livni said exactly the same thing 12 hours ago. In 2006, she said a long term ceasefire is not in Israel's strategic interests. It's Israel that does not want peace.

      Stand with US is a lie factory.

    • Locke did not invent the idea of human rights and most liberal western democracies do not claim they are granted by God. One can appeal to human rights without appealing to Locke or God.

      Locke made the right of property contingent on the rights to life and liberty. If property claims infringed those rights, there was no right to the property.

      And while the Israelis might have cleared a swamp or two, they certainly stole a great deal of land.

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
    • AIPAC does not support Israeli policies blindly but supports the most ultra nationalistic ,anti peace elements of the Israeli establishment . It in US obviously aligns self with the same folks who don't support the Oslo ,or land for peace or two state solution.

      link to nybooks.com

      From same source "In late 2000, when the intifada began, the former Clinton adviser told me, there were cases in which Israel used what seemed to many to be excessive force, such as breaking the bones of young Palestinians, and exacerbated the conflict in doing so. But if administration officials had said anything “that smacked of ‘moral equivalency,’” he observed, “it would have gotten us attacks from Congress, the media, and interest groups.” After a while, he continued, officials begin to shy away from saying anything that might become controversial domestically, leading to
      self censorship in speech and action...."

  • Watch: 9 Jewish activists arrested after occupying Friends of the Israel Defense Forces office (19)
  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
  • ‘We have nothing left to lose. I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce’: Palestinian youth demand justice (71)
  • Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media (234)
    • >> Mikhaeleee: The side of justice was chosen when a state was founded by Jews for the Jewish People ...

      The creation of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine - a state created at the expense of the indigenous population - was supremacism-driven injustice and immorality.

      >> Israel is a Jewish state and the state of all of its citizens, Jewish or non-Jewish alike.

      An Israeli state is a state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally. A supremacist "Jewish State" is a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

  • ‘We have nothing left to lose. I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce’: Palestinian youth demand justice (71)
    • "Yeah, yeah. But were they producing cherry tomatoes?"

      RoHa, the myth that Palestine was open arable land just waiting for Jewish colonists, and that these colonists could have, had they so desired, just moved right on in peaceful like and everybody could have been happy (til the Occupation, or til this, or that) still persists.
      I don't know if they grew tomatoes, but in Jaffa they grew oranges.

  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship (111)
    • you know what yonah? I really think that you are being excessively ridiculous.

      Lenny is right 'here'-- I believe him (not that there was even a question in my mind!), and find your discomfiture borderline hilarious, more than a little pathetic, and somewhat paranoid.

      PS I think Lenny has 'moved on' wrt this subject-- perhaps you should accept it, and move on as well.

  • Naomi Wolf walked out of synagogue when they had nothing to say about Gaza massacre (54)
    • For most Americans being religious just means being a "good" person (which is how she characterizes her stance). I also see the significant part of what she wrote as her not being like the other scholars you mentioned, particularly active on tis issue, but that her gut instinct tells her something is amiss. That there are non-Zionist congregations she might attend actually enhances the point that she is not overly religious in the sense of dogma or practice but just as it means to paraphrase Hillel and a later significant rabbi, treating your neighbor well.

  • Mr. Modi-- do not court apartheid Israel in my name (9)
    • My understanding is that India was pressurized by Zionist to vote for partition. Not only that fake calls were placed to Indian officials. Even threats were made.
      Same thing happened to other countries like Haiti,Phllipine and few other.
      India did not give in.
      There are many reasons of Indian support fortis real now. But the most dubious what is cited often is that Arabs don't support India.
      What support it means? Iraq,Syria,and Egypt had very good relation. Gulf countries have prosperous Indian diaspora . Arab countries have large number of migrant workers. During none of the ears between India and Pakistan Arab did not start any embargo or threaten lives of Indian. During Babri mouse and the ensuing riots, Arab did not try any punitive measures against India.

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • Time the Palestinians got some articulate spokespeople, who would speak about their demands, and explain coherently that all they want is the damn occupation ended. No one seems to be explaining this well. I am sick of the Israeli narrative, lies and accusations. It is always one sided garbage. The Palestinians must be heard.

  • You are not Alone: To Palestinians on July 20, 2014 (17)
    • .
      what do 'our' armed service people think about all this
      our brave and selfless
      active and vet.
      they have seen and experienced alot
      .
      "They beat up on a weakling, and that's all they did. The rest is just smokefilled coffee-house crap. They tortured and tormented a weaker kid. They didn't like him. So, they killed him. "

      "We joined because we wanted to live our lives by a certain code, and we found it in the Corps. Now you're asking us to sign a piece of paper that says we have no honor. "

      "What did we do wrong? We did nothing wrong.
      Yeah, we did. We were supposed to fight for the people who couldn't fight for themselves. "

      a few good men
      .
      G-d Bless
      .

  • Dear American media, I’m asking you to simply tell what’s happening in Gaza (20)
  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship (111)
    • "but another way of resisting (and I believe a more effective way) is to shed the Jewish identity as I and others have done; in other words—QUIT."

      I thought of trying that for a second once, but I realized it would be of no use. You can pick me out a mile away. I could deny it all day long and people would still know. Besides, what identity would I have left? I'd be a zelig! There, you see what I mean? I can't go two paragraphs without betraying my origins.

      And why, what on earth for, would I give the Zionists that kind of satisfaction? They don't want anti-Zionist Jews around, then come and throw us out.

  • Naomi Wolf walked out of synagogue when they had nothing to say about Gaza massacre (54)
  • Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media (234)
    • Choose the side of justice, accountability and equality.

      The side of justice was chosen when a state was founded by Jews for the Jewish People in their ancient homeland some 667 years ago. Nothing could be more just than a people (yes, Jews collectively constitute a people) regaining (regaining, because it's certainly not the first time Jews have had an independent state in this)region independence in its original land.

      End support for oppression, supremacism and colonialism.

      Yes, end support for oppression. Stop giving moral support for Hamas, a regime with explicitly worded genocidal intent as specifically detailed in its founding document. End the forced imposition of strict interpretations of Sharia law in Gaza and let the Muslim people of Gaza choose freely how, when and what they want to observe of their religious traditions absent state coercion.
      link to al-monitor.com
      Don't support a tyrannical, terrorist theocracy that intentionally targets civilians in a neighboring country that is not theirs. Free the people of Gaza!

      start supporting secular and democratic states of and for all of their citizens (and immigrants, ex-pats and refugees), equally.

      Israel is a Jewish state and the state of all of its citizens, Jewish or non-Jewish alike. Non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish state of Israel have exactly all of the same legal and civic rights as those citizens of the State of Israel who happen to be Jewish, just as non-ethnic Greek citizens of the Hellenic Republic of Greece (e.g., ethnic Turks, ethnic Slavs who are Greek citizens) have the same legal and civic rights as non-ethnic Greeks. Citizens of the Jewish state who are not of Jewish nationality, in accord with the literal text of the founding document Israeli Declaration of Independence "participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions." In Israel, a State of the Jewish People worldwide as well as all of its citizens (whether those citizens are Jewish or non-Jewish), it is possible for an Israeli citizen who is not of Jewish nationality, Salim Joubran, to sit on the Supreme Court of Israel and interpret Israeli law (the state of his citizenship) and render decisions that impact all of his fellow citizens, Jewish and non-Jewish alike. In Israel, a non-Jew, Colonel Ghassan Elian (who was just wounded in battle), leads the Golani Brigade, one of the main infantry divisions of the IDF, commanding Jewish and non-Jewish soldiers in battle to defend his state. In Israel, non-Jewish citizens represent the state diplomatically at the ambassadorial level. link to en.wikipedia.org
      In Israel, non-Jews have served in Israeli governments at the cabinet minister level (link to en.wikipedia.org) and have
      always served in Knesset since the founding of the state, usually as part of a not-so-loyal opposition, where their democratic privileges have entitled them to denounce, from the parliamentary rostrum, the underpinnings of the Zionist state that pays their salaries (contrast the British policy of censoring Sinn Fein politicians for years).

      (and immigrants, ex-pats and refugees)

      When immigrants and refugees become citizens of the State of Israel, then they should be entitled to have all the rights and obligations of citizens. Some of the non-Jewish foreigners who have arrived in Israel in recent years from various countries, mostly in Africa, are legitimate refugees and should be afforded asylum as long as necessary, some of these people have obtained Israeli citizenship in recent years, through various means, e.g., humanitarian act of the Interior Ministry or through marriage to an Israeli, or by demonstrating skills in demand in Israel. However, most of the undocumented foreigners in Israel are work migrants and do not have an inherent right to stay indefinitely in our country. One group that will never be admitted en bloc into our country are Arab foreigners claiming spuriously to be refugees. As a person who supports justice, I support the rights of those Arabic-language speakers who have recently adopted a Palestinian national identity to obtain self-determination in part of the territory they regard as historically theirs, where they form a majority of the population. When that happens, it will be their responsibility to address the settlement demands of those Arabs who are styled "stateless Palestinian refugees" in their Palestinian state. However, they will never have a right to demand the settlement of Arab foreigners in a neighboring, independent and sovereign Jewish state.

  • Dear American media, I’m asking you to simply tell what’s happening in Gaza (20)
  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship (111)
    • mooser and the word fact in the same sentence, a juxtaposition of the absurd. you aren't about facts. you are about humor sometimes and about nothing but rumors of the existence of facts at other times.

    • In fact the post deleted a major fact: that this was not Lenny's first aliya, even though the first time did not involve citizenship, this was his second aliya.

      Lenny treated us to a bunch of cant, and it was printed here because he made aliya and a photo of Jews dancing after making aliya seemed like a great post to Phil Weiss. Otherwise this post added nothing except cant cant cant. When you can't, you can always cant.

    • "thus my ability to make aliya and then leave it behind with a flurry of Nazi, Nazi, Nazi is limited by the circumstances of my life."

      I understand your concern for your relatives, but how does lying to yourself help them? Wouldn't knowing the facts about Israel make you all better at assessing the risks, and understand why your claims to Palestine are so tenuous and contested?

  • Naomi Wolf walked out of synagogue when they had nothing to say about Gaza massacre (54)
    • Israel has no right to incrementally genocide a group of people simply because they are not Jewish. This principle was laid down at Nuremberg. I stand by it. I stand against aggressive war and all sub lines of it; and Palestinians have a right of self-defense.

  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship (111)
    • Mooser- You are ignoring history and living in your own fantasy as if history never occurred. Zionism was "invented" in in 1881 or 1897. The doors to America were slammed shut (not literally, but opened merely a crack) between 1920 and 1945. Your solution would have worked if America's doors had always been open. But they weren't.

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • ‘’While fully recognizing Israel’s legitimate security needs, the EU underlines that the humanitarian and socio-economic situation in Gaza must be addressed. It reiterates its call for the immediate, sustained and unconditional opening of crossings for the flow of humanitarian aid, commercial goods and persons to and from the Gaza Strip, in line with UNSC resolution 1860 (2009),’’ the statement said.

      This part of her speech is not reported in J post

      link to jpost.com

  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship (111)
    • Thanks, John. Somebody, above in the thread mentioned "the negation of Zionism".

      I've always thought "the negation of Zionism" has been staring Zionism in face since practically since Zionism was invented! If the question for Zionism was "Under what system do Jews live best, are subject to the least oppression, and no official repression, where can Jews live as they please, worship as they please work as they please without having to answer to anybody because they are Jewish?" If that was the question, the negation of Zionism was staring them right in the face. The American Constitution, and the lives of Jews in America.
      But I'm not sure that question even entered their minds.

  • Arab reporters come under attack from Israelis (87)
    • Maximus,
      I had a Jewish friend who said she went to Israel on Birthright and she loved how she was surrounded by a whole society for the first time in her life from her community. However, she said that she didn't recommend it for others because she doesn't agree with their social and political structure of inequality. Others may not have the same hesitancies about it.

  • Naomi Wolf walked out of synagogue when they had nothing to say about Gaza massacre (54)
    • @ Mooser
      I liked her stance: "God is only ever where we stand with our neighbor in trouble and against injustice." A Temple is just a building, like a Church or Mosque, or an outhouse.

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)
    • I would have thought it was fairly clear by now that Israel isn't the slightest bit interested in any long-term truce that will deny them of the opportunity in the future to once again attempt to destroy the enclave in order to fully reoccupy it themselves permanently and to ultimately annex it to Israel. That is what this is all about and has always been about. It has never been about anything else. Same goes for the West Bank. As far as the Zionists of Israel are concerned there will never be a Palestinian state and the ultimate aim is to create a Greater Israel.

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
    • Just to be clear, drawing equivalences is not an attempt to inflate the already tragic death toll.

      It's ESSENTIAL to put this issue in perspective for the uninformed American masses.

      Just imagine one of the best American hospitals, fully equipped with the best medical services and equipment, receiving dozens and dozens of serious trauma patients every day for two weeks non-stop and how harrowing, exhausting and impossible that experience would be for the emergency staff; and then imagine a hospital in Gaza, a Zionist concentration camp, deprived by a humanitarian blockade for over a decade of medical equipment and medicine and low on essentials everyone takes for granted, like gauze! as related by a doctor from Doctors without Borders when interviewed by Anderson Cooper.

      Of course these comparisons must be made! And its unfortunate that people in the U.S. STILL don't get the depth of this tragedy and the media is a shamless enabler of their ignorance!

      If it weren't for MSF, Doctors without Borders, this tragedy would be even greater, if that's even possible. But Israeli forces have targeted paramedics, killing two, emergency rescuers also two dead and even MSF firing close to an MSF clearly-marked vehicle! It's unconscionable what Israel is doing to Gaza and not just with this latest massacre on its people! This is a crime of massive proportions; a war crimes tribunal needs to be set up - yesterday. Justice is long overdue for Gaza.

      More regarding MSF's work in Gaza:

      link to doctorswithoutborders.org

  • Comments Policy (303)
    • Thanks...that's exactly what I came here to learn about.
      My comments seem to disappear down a black hole
      and I'm very careful to be temperate.

  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship (111)
    • Marnie, don't you know Zionists have both the right, and the responsibility, to judge every other Jew? Your ancestry, your religious education, your commitment, your politics, your religiosity, all must abide their questioning.
      It is up to them to weed out the phony, the inadequately committed, the casual, in short, all those who don't make the grade. This is the heavy responsibility which has devolved upon them.

  • ‘We have nothing left to lose. I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce’: Palestinian youth demand justice (71)
    • Think about it for a minute.
      The Ukrainian separatists would be no where without Russia as their sponsor.

      Think about it for a minute.
      Israel would be no where without US as their sponsor.

      You

  • You are not Alone: To Palestinians on July 20, 2014 (17)
    • The American Mass Media is always in the business of manufacturing its own 'truth'. Sometimes by commission, sometimes by omission. What I find personally dismaying is how many of my 'intelligent' friends lap it up without question. People who normally consider themselves skeptical and critical.

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
    • Palestinian journalist Rula Jibreal reading Chris Hays the riot act about media bias toward Israel. Wow! She's a little frantic but that's understandable. Hays can't get a word in but he seems sympathetic.

  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship (111)
    • "I challenge the veracity of this post."

      You don't challenge squat. What do you have to challenge it with? Squat! What are you going to say, Yonah, 'This story is as phony as the Paris-Synagogue-Attack story?'
      Yes sir, Yonah Freedman as a judge of veracity. Who Yonah could be so humorous in these terrible times?

  • 'Telegenically Dead': Israel’s crumbling media war (60)
    • Hayes says he thinks "we're doing a good job covering the [Gaza] crisis." He shows a clip of Jon Stewart's last satiric Daily Show with Jon looking befuddled in middle of bickering sides, ending with him being accused of being a "Zionist Pig." Hayes says that segment is "Pretty on point."

      After a commercial, Hayes brings on Rula Jebreal saying "We are disgustingly biased, there's never even one Palestinian on any show." Shows Rula tweet she's been cut from future TV appearances. Hayes says Rula's point is largely true, generally, but the time around there are lots of pics of dead Palestinians and much discussion of the bias. Rula goes into the statistical disproportionate representation. "We are doing this but also our media is not covering the context, the reality of the occupation.

      Hayes says its hard to get a HAMAS official to come on our TV news.

      Rula: "Our media is undermining American interest in the region by its bias.

      Hayes: We only cover the violence. That's a structural issue. Air time is a bad metric, there are interviews and there are interviews, we can't get a Palestinian on.

      Rula: America is suppose to be about freedom of speech. That's being undermined.

      Hayes: I think things are changing.

      Rula: The polls show a high support for Israel; this means Americans are still not getting objective news and context regarding the I-P conflict.

  • ‘We have nothing left to lose. I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce’: Palestinian youth demand justice (71)
    • >> Jon66: I have seen a number of proposals from Hamas, but no peace proposal. I agree they have not been included in the talks, but they are quite capable of offering their own version of what peace would look like.

      Curious: What do you think a Hamas proposal should look like?

  • You are not Alone: To Palestinians on July 20, 2014 (17)
  • US Jews occupy Israeli army support office in NY in civil disobedience action (24)
    • >> Palikari: They are a bunch of traitors!

      They have betrayed neither their country nor their faith. Your devotion to Zio-supremacism appears to have addled your brain.

  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship (111)
    • "A million or two more like this guy and we might even have a trend on our hands."

      Have you seen the figures for the number of Israelis living abroad? The number trying to leave? But, I'm with you, Exchequer, may their tribe increase.

  • ‘We have nothing left to lose. I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce’: Palestinian youth demand justice (71)
    • I have seen a number of proposals from Hamas, but no peace proposal

      Ow e proposals? Are you for fuc#ing real? When has Israel ever agreed to a peace proposal? The only thing they are prepare to consider is a sham of a ceasefire that demands Hamas give up everything, surrender and co tube to like under siege whole Israel gets to keep bombing Gaza whenever it feels like it.

  • The deafening silence around the Hamas proposal for a 10-year truce (129)

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