Most Recent 100 Mondoweiss Comments

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
    • I lived in Israel before 1967 and what you described reminds me of that period when, prior to any "occupation" or even the construction of an "illegal settlement", Israeli children were subjected to infiltration by the pre-PLO fedayeen and incidentally, Fatah started operations in 1965. Some examples:
      Jun 11, 1953 - Kfar Hess
      Terrorists attacked a young couple in their home and shot them to death.
      Mar 17, 1954 - Maale Akrabim
      Terrorists ambushed a bus traveling from Eilat to Tel Aviv, opening fire at short range. The terrorists boarded the bus, and shot each passenger, one by one, murdering 11.
      Jan 2, 1955 - Judean Desert
      2 hikers killed by terrorists.
      Mar 24, 1955 - Patish
      1 young woman killed and 18 wounded when terrorists threw hand grenades and opened fire on a crowded wedding celebration.
      Apr 7, 1956 - Ashkelon
      1 young woman killed when terrorists threw 3 hand grenades into her house.
      Apr 7, 1956 - Kibbutz Givat Chaim
      2 killed when terrorists opened fire on a car.
      Apr 11, 1956 - Shafrir (Kfar Chabad)
      3 children and 1 youth worker killed, and 5 injured, when terrorists opened fire on a synagogue full of children and teenagers.

      And as for your close: "people who are at least trying to expose the truth whether they are right or wrong", if they know they are wrong and they are purposefully lying what are they if not derogatoring the truth?

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
    • Smart observations, David Doppler. [T]hey’ve shown themselves increasingly inclined to respond to challenge by upping their arrogance level, an historically catastrophic tendency.

      My brother-in-law could be a Naftali Bennett twin, or was one, for 20 years; he makes pilgrimages to Auschwitz; he's been insufferable on the subject.

      He just changed. I mean. Just. Changed. The parade to kiss Adelson's ring did it, as far as I can tell, because he's bitching about it, and that's when the bitching started. Now he's complaining about the number of Holocaust Museums and the PBS series on Jews, and wants to know why foreign policy is couched in terms of what's good for the Jews, "When did that start?" He and my sister (peas in a pod) make remarks about Adelson that, frankly, shock me. I don't engage either one of them in what they think about I/P, I just don't go there. So this change in the weathervane is entirely new and unsolicited. But they're not original thinkers. So something they've heard on Fox, Limbaugh, or at the bar has caused this. I think your wet finger is sensing the wind.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • MJ Rosenberg says on twitter tonight “The BDS and Mondoweiss Israel haters succeed at nothing except driving us evil liberal Zionists far far away. Brilliant strategy!”

      Rosenberg is the embodiment of the prediction made by Beinart - that when confronted with a choice, liberal Zionists will opt for tribalism before liberal values.

  • On Easter week, Shaath says millions of Palestinians are denied access to Jerusalem (9)
    • "... Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas's spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeina stressed the talks could be extended if Israel released the 26 prisoners, the last batch of a total of 104 veteran prisoners Israel agreed to free." (Daily Star, today)

      Anyone here (other than Abbas' principal apologist here, of course) still believes that the talks won't be extended beyond the April 29th term, or that this whole UN 15 applications story wasn't a pre-planned gimmick to lead to the release of the 26 and the ultimately desired and agreed-to extension of the talks to allow both Abbas and Netanyahu to come out of it smelling pretty?

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
  • Roger Ailes demands NY village official take down 'Facebook' post. She says no (4)
    • Thanks for these updates. I hope she stands up to these attempts to silence her.
      And I'm still chuckling at the thought that you live in the vincinity of Ailes.

  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • MJ Rosenberg says on twitter tonight "The BDS and Mondoweiss Israel haters succeed at nothing except driving us evil liberal Zionists far far away. Brilliant strategy!"

      However, the strategy of these liberal Zionists it totally irrational and laughably illogical. His way of attacking us (discrediting the truth) is to say that those who criticize Israel and support BDS are anti-semites and Israel-haters. It is quite the reverse. Most of us do not hate Israel at all. We want to save Israel from pariah status and self-destruction brought on by the Israeli right-wingers. The evil liberal Zionist as he defines himself, is indeed doing something evil and is also a phony who is giving lip service to the outrageous Israeli treatment of the Palestinians. This confirms what Philip Weiss wrote in March 2014 that "Liberal Zionists are the new front line against BDS" based on the writings of Rosenberg which are tacitly supported by people like Thomas Friedman. Zionists have spent the last thirty years labeling anyone who makes a negative statement about Israel as an anti-semite. It has worked and people are widely and significantly intimidated and suppressed by the lobby's extraordinary momentum and power to punish. If they had their way every Western government would put a critic of Israel in jail for being an anti-semite based on an utterly vague, inappropriate and spurious definition of antisemitism by these Zionists (as currently in France). Therefore, the Rosenberg school is using this established logic and culture of intimidation in an attempt to suppress the worldwide burgeoning momentum of BDS. But it will not work because their argument is so flawed that their posturing only raises awareness and recruitment for BDS by revealing that it is necessary and historically justified to punish Israel for their behavior against the Palestinians. The beauty and strength of BDS is that is equates the Israelis with the apartheid of the white South Africans in their tragic and unsuccessful struggle to cruelly contain and discriminate against the blacks. That by definition is a much more urgent and appealing argument than the theory that BDS and liberal Zionism are incompatible. Prior polite appeals to Israel to uphold international law have been scorned. It is not incompatible to support BDS and be a liberal Zionist. Rosenberg's argument is irrational. BDS is the only method that will force an intransigent Israel to make peace with the Palestinians. The USA was the great white hope to do this but the financial power of the geriatric Israeli lobby has intimidated the USA into inaction in forcing this issue. We are left with the outrageous situation in the UN where the USA is almost alone in voting to support Israel when the rest of the world literally indicts Israel for genocide. In other words, the intimidation of antisemitism is being used to force people who see themselves as so-called liberal Zionists to reject BDS because BDS will destroy Israel. Yes, my goal is not to destroy Israel but to destroy the current rightist Israeli government and force Israel to make a just peace with the Palestinians. I see this talking point of "BDS is antisemitic and will destroy Israel" as linguistic fraud which only arouses the fear of being called antisemitic in the BDS subscriber. Similarly, I hear another talking point which is roughly expressed as "there is no hope for negotiations - they are a waste of time - stop negotiations - negotiations are futile - there is no partner - the Palestinians are not serious et cetera". I see this as a crude strategy for delaying a peace process until Israel has succeeded in taking so much from the Palestinians that there is nothing left to negotiate for and a greater-Israel is a fait accompli impossible to reverse. In other words a short term triumph and a longterm disaster.

  • American citizen, translator and student—Mariam Barghouti arrested and detained in West Bank (11)
    • Thanks for clarifying what the Privacy Waiver Act is.

      Quite farcical though that the spox uses this paper formality as an excuse for not discussing the matter of an imprisoned American citizen, especially one who was described as looking distraught when she appeared in the Israeli military court. I wonder if the spox would reply in the same manner if an American citizen were imprisoned by Iran, let's say.

      As Ritzl said: "How convenient".

  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
    • From "Remote-control machine gun repairs just got quicker"
      Jerusalem Post
      5/24/2013

      link to jpost.com

      What does the IDF do when its remote-control machine guns break down? The Samson Remote Controlled Weapon Station, the Katlanit, produced by Israel’s Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, is increasingly appearing on a range of IDF Ground Forces platforms, such as the Namer armored personnel carrier.

      It can be fitted with a variety of powerful and accurate machine guns, allowing soldiers to control the guns through a remote control panel, and fire on enemy targets without exposing themselves to the return fire.

      But when the weapons station broke down, an army technician may have to spend dangerous time in the field figuring out what went wrong, before making the repair. Now, thanks to an innovation by Maj. Roe Avrahami, commander of the Maintenance Unit at IDF Southern Command, that has changed.

      “What we’ve developed is a system that analyzes and informs the technician where the error is in a short amount of time. We’re protecting lives by decreasing the risk. It now takes 75 percent less time to repair,” Avrahami told The Jerusalem Post this week.

  • Palestinians can have an embassy in Jerusalem, but God forbid not a capital -- Israeli mayor (71)
    • Far as I know, it was precisely enough delimited in the 1938 Congress of Poale Zion as the target by Ben Gurion, and approved [http://www.marxists.de/middleast//ch04.htmschoenman]. It has been mentioned repeatedly, especially before and around the 1947 and 1967 wars of conquest, the 1982 aggression of Lebanon, etc. No links, as I don't do much of that. What is way more instructive and confirms that the program is on without any doubt is the continuous valse-hésitation comedy of "peace talks" with two Zionist entity sockpuppets, i.e. the Oslo puppet and the US rep, while Labor then Likud (then Likud plus Jewish al Qa'ida) continue to advance the settlements and ethnic cleansing.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
  • Palestinians can have an embassy in Jerusalem, but God forbid not a capital -- Israeli mayor (71)
    • @Woody - Their "governmental organizations" aren't worth a used chewing-gum. Not formed properly, in the absence of armed aggression and occupation, no test of representativity, officially puppet governments with no armed sovereignty following a medley of resistance organizations in exile. During the German occupation, of course the resistance took decisions but they all paid attention to make everything official after governments were regularly constituted in full sovereignty. I'm old-fashioned that way.
      Observing that the Colonial Powers had no right to partition Palestine and that the Partition Proposal was rejected by the population is not being more Catholic than the Pope. It's exposing the glaring illegality of both the Zionist entity and its puppet "governments". Bring me something from an unoccupied and sovereign Palestinian people. Until then any Zionist presence remains illegal (also note that they are continuing full-scale war; even the armistices were concluded with other powers.)

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • My exchange with MJ today:

      Philip Munger
      @PhilipMunger

      @MJayRosenberg Is there a place in your heart for non-Zionists, MJ? - 16 Apr

      MJ (Mike) Rosenberg
      @MJayRosenberg

      @PhilipMunger yes. Anti Zionists no.

      10:30 PM - 16 Apr 14

    • Why are these people blaming Max?
      Here is Admiral Thomas Moorer " if the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government ,they would rise up in arms . Our citizens don't have any idea what goes on"

      That warning was delivered in frustration,pain,and anger in late 1960s
      Page 106 - Israeli Peace Palestinian Justice by Thomas L Are.

      Americans are being prevented from acceess to reality , using every conceivable means by these professional experts who wants to shut down Max and whose expertise is based on the claims of being an expert often anointed by the media and created by the letter head organization . Open discussion has long been absent.
      But this Miller guy does not represent the American citizen who would be able to respond more effectively without resorting to random violence.if information were not destroyed or suppressed.

  • Fear of Arab-Americans in the public square (45)
    • Thanks, RoHa; all I wanted was the long name, no intention of starting a pro/anti fight where we are to discuss Palestinian rights and ways to independence, not climate etc.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • But collectively punishing this particular society is precisely what one aims to achieve. Otherwise it doesn't even begin to make sense!

    • Now that Sharon finally kicked the bucket it's a three-way toss between Netanyahu and the 2 Liebermänner.

    • I don't know what you guys smoke at night but it isn't good. Seeing that a guy is a Zionist one day (and we are talking high officer at AIPAC for chrissakes) and waking up the next day to the revelation that he is a Zionist! Woe is me.
      Zionists are Zionists. They are at the minimum fake-nationalists and racists/racial supremacists who intend to occupy Palestinian land forever. Why isn't that clear?

  • NY Times profile of Gazan long distance runner reveals reality of occupation (6)
    • Just to add one thing. The Times headline reads "Mideast Tensions Sideline a Gazan Marathon Runner" as if Masri were the victim of political intransigence by both sides. By contrast, Haaretz has run multiple aritcles on the subject that more clearly identifies the decision-maker: "Israel refuses to let Gaza athlete run in Bethlehem marathon"; "High Court rejects Gazan runner's appeal to race in Bethlehem marathon"; "Gaza blockade stifles dreams of Palestinian runner". The Times headline, whether or not authored by Rudoren, is extremely misleading.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • "The problem is that even Zionists themselves (the researchers) argue that multiple translations of the Bible distorted the names"

      I don't see how translations of the Bible would be a problem, since the Hebrew and Aramaic texts are available. Your quotations make it clear that some of the problems arise from uncertainties in those texts.

    • "If you want to limit the power of Zionist activism, then you have to change the paradigm for activism generally. If you want to prevent the ability of powerful groups within powerful governments to do injustice in the world, then you have to curtail the power of groups generally, not just the powerful ones. Activist groups calling for siege warfare against nations in my view is not the function of citizens"

      Yeah, look, David, if you're not going to pay any attention to what I actually wrote that's fine. You can state your own views without me as a foil. I already said I opposed siege warfare, and simply added that even if the BDS tried to do that, they wouldn't succeed. I didn't say they have tried to do that, to cause that level of suffering, and I also said I wouldn't support them if they did. BDS hurts Israel to some degree economically, but its main value is symbolic. It has been drawing attention to the issue far more effectively than any other tactic in recent years and obviously Israel is concerned. Boycotts are a time-honored tradition among those pushing for social change, and no, they don't have to be murderous like the ones used on Iraq. People boycott corporations in the US, they boycott states like Arizona and somehow, you know, they manage to do this without causing hundreds of thousands of deaths. So maybe you could acknowledge the distinction here, rather than pretend that one boycott is much like another. Or is the boycott against Chick fil A is the same as the sanctions on Iraq? I wouldn't have thought so, but who knows? It's a slippery slope. One minute you're boycotting a company because of anti-gay views of its corporate owner and the next thing you know you're plunging an entire country into destitution and greatly multiplying the infant mortality rate.

  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
    • Thanks Henry I was going to mention Cook's article myself. FYI the original version at The National is here: link to thenational.ae

      Most disgusting is that Israeli weapons manufacturers are allowed to use Gazans - who cannot escape - as live guinea pigs to test their weapons systems. And Israel claims to be the victim.

      Within a short time since they killed at "several dozen" Palestinians, and that was way back in 2010. I wonder what their 'tally' is now.

      Cook [my emphasis]:

      Philip Alston, its [the UN] special rapporteur on extrajudicial executions, warned last month of the danger that a "PlayStation mentality to killing" could quickly emerge.

      According to analysts, however, Israel is unlikely to turn its back on hardware that it has been at the forefront of developing - using the occupied Palestinian territories, and especially Gaza, as testing laboratories.
      ...
      The Israeli army, which plans to introduce the technology along Israel's other confrontation lines, refuses to say how many Palestinians have been killed by the remotely controlled machine-guns in Gaza. According to the Israeli media, however, it is believed to be several dozen.

      The system was phased-in two years ago for surveillance, but operators were only able to open fire with it more recently.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • yonah fredman Your concerns are so touching....

      Say, Is anyone gonna die because of anything Max writes? Is anyone gonna die because of Max's alleged 'monomaniacal' renaming (which could be a simple error on his part)

      Meanwhile Israeli Governments' continual and purposeful lies continue to cause plenty of death and destruction. link to wp.me

      Israeli Governments' continual and purposeful lies continue to dupe Israeli citizens into believing the State of Israel can sell them land in occupied territory. Israeli lies cause actual death and destruction. Israeli lies split the Jewish community.

      Yet Israel's purposeful destructive lies seem to be of no concern. Why?

    • And people like Pipes provide cover for people who seek to ethnic cleanse the Palestinians. Blumenthal has good intentions. Those who attack him have more in common with that shooter than Max does, believe it or not. They're right wing Jews, he is a right wing hater of Jews. They're related in a certain way through their hatred.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
    • Friedman has to maintain the fairy tale about the apartheid wall for 2 reasons:
      - Palestinians are savages and still want to kill the joooos
      - the awkward questions that will follow about the real reason Israel built the wall, since it wasn't to stop suicide bombers. "Moderate" Tzipi Livni as described in a US Embassy cable from 2007:

      In the same interview, Livni provided an outline of her thinking, but not a detailed plan, on the way ahead with the Arabs, including negotiating an interim agreement with the Palestinians in which the separation barrier would serve as the border, and refusing to engage with Syria unless Asad takes steps to end support for terrorism and distances himself from Iran.

  • Roger Ailes demands NY village official take down 'Facebook' post. She says no (4)
  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
  • American citizen, translator and student—Mariam Barghouti arrested and detained in West Bank (11)
  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • pipes was the leader of team B, that infamous neocon putsh into the upper echelons of the US government after successfully relentlessly presurring(what's new?) W's daddy CIA director george, into allowing the neocons team b to be allowed to debate and challenge in a closed door pentagon setting the CIA's team A regarding their allegations that the soviet union was infinitely more nuclear armed and ready to attack us than the CIA was leading america to believe.
      the CIA staff members, mostly wet behind the ears recent college grads, were totally unprepared for the classic neocon viciousness in their full attack mode. pipes oversaw all this.
      the neos won out and have really been in control ever since. this issue should not have gone unmentioned. it is all part, and a very big part, of the neocon/israeli contamination of america.

  • American citizen, translator and student—Mariam Barghouti arrested and detained in West Bank (11)
  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
    • I can't imagine what it must be like to be a parent and what it must be like to send your children off to school when the first thing they will see is the barrel of a tank or equivalent. If it occurred outside my door tomorrow and I had a young child he may not worry or appreciate what the sight represented. A Palestinian child sadly knows full well what it means. It may or may not be a violation of international laws but it is inherently an awful crime. A real crime.

      I can only shake my head at the inhumanity that supports such a state of affairs.

      I will likely ignore this thread as there's been no explanations other than derogatory swipes at people who are at least trying to expose the truth whether they are right or wrong. Aren't we all some times. Both.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • it's too bad, upon mentioning the name of daniel pipes,that infamous jewish neocon instumental into pushing the mindless "useful idiot W" into invading iraq, that you didn't explain who, or what, he really was.

    • Hostage made a comment (actually two, but of a piece) on the other KS/Max thread that was brilliant. Stands repeating here because I doubt many saw it.

      [In reference to]max seems pretty willing to except that this inciden proves Israel makes Jews less safe rather then more.

      That ought to be obvious, but the headline struck me in an entirely different way. We recognize that this guy is completely unhinged because he is willing to kill others to establish a White Christian State. But none of these Zionist buttheads in the Twitterverse have commented on the sanity or morality of the thousands of Jews who have acted out in the very same way over the years in Palestine. Thousands of unhinged Jewish racists there have killed thousands of their neighbors in an effort to create a homogeneous Jewish state. But they don’t question the morality or sanity of that situation for even one moment.

      The ADL audit hadn’t registered any harassment, vandalism or acts of violence against Jews or persons who were thought to be Jews in Kansas for years. See for example the zero totals for 2012 and 2013 in the 2013 audit. link to adl.orgYou will find similar totals 2011.

      In those very same years, some of these very same Twitter accounts reported that Jews in Israel were the objects of numerous rocket attacks, bus bombings, shootings, and vehicular assaults.

      There weren’t any assaults in the United States in 2013 that required hospitalization, that certainly isn’t the case for any year in Israel. link to adl.org How on Earth can you argue that Israel makes anyone safer?

      link to mondoweiss.net

      [In reference to]However-based on what and how he writes he will never ever understand what the majority of American and Israeli Jews do. That incidents like these would be ten times as frequent without the existence of Israel.

      Israel was established by a bunch of armed raving lunatics no different than this fellow. Thousands of them died fighting wars of aggression against their non-Jewish neighbors in order to establish a homogeneous Jewish territory and population. The sad part is that we recognize this person as an evil, racist, murderer, but allow bigots like you to treat the founders of Israel like heroes.

      link to mondoweiss.net

      MJ Rosenberg needs to take note, as well.

    • Your beef is nomenclature?

    • To accuse Blumenthal of having anything to do with violent white extremists is beyond ridiculous, and symptomatic of the disintegration of Zionist ideology: a welcome development. Before his mild criticisms of Israeli fanatics, he was a leading light in the 'hate industry' - the exaggeration of white extremism - for what purpose, I don't know.

      This entertaining article also raises a serious issue. What do you do when David Duke agrees with you? Mearsheimer and Walt expressed embarrassment. But why? Their critique of the Lobby DOES bear some passing resemblance to some of what the ex-KKK leader has been saying for decades in a cruder and more offensive form.

      The honorable and logical reaction to finding that SOME white extremists sometimes express SOME truthful ideas, is to simply say one agrees with SOME of what they say.

    • Sumud, Limbaugh wasn't silent on Breivik. On his radio show he said "Maybe we ought to listen to him." Link

      Limbaugh is possibly the creepiest guy on the planet.

  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
    • Whatever that device is, there's no question that Israel makes remote-controlled guns, uses them against he Palestinians, and sells them to repressive regimes around the world. Way back in 2002, the first time I went to Gaza, I saw a primitive version hanging from something that looked like a construction crane overlooking the "Austrian Houses" development in Khan Younis.

      Jonathan Cook wrote a good piece called "The Spot-and-Shoot Game: Israeli female soldiers kill by remote control," with a picture of young female soldiers sitting in front of a TV monitor and using PlayStation-style joysticks to control the guns,.in 2010. Some excerpts:

      The female soldiers, located far away in an operations room, are responsible for aiming and firing remote-controlled machine-guns mounted on watch-towers every few hundred metres along an electronic fence that surrounds Gaza.

      The system is one of the latest “remote killing” devices developed by Israel’s Rafael armaments company, the former weapons research division of the Israeli army and now a separate governmental firm.

      According to Giora Katz, Rafael’s vice president, remote-controlled military hardware such as Spot and Shoot is the face of the future. He expects that within a decade at least a third of the machines used by the Israeli army to control land, air and sea will be unmanned.
      ...
      Remotely controlled weapons systems are in high demand from repressive regimes and the burgeoning homeland security industries around the globe.

  • American citizen, translator and student—Mariam Barghouti arrested and detained in West Bank (11)
  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • The last remark by Blumenthal is bound to incite every potential latent Israel-hater to new inspired heights of Israel abuse.

      What it inspired was to have the same arrangement for white men, seeing as we have an Israeli minister on the reocord ans saying that Israel is that land of the white man.

      This extremist clearly admires Israel and wants to replicate it.

    • pabelmont,

      (Again, no reply button is available.)

      One notices that many pro-Israel activists indulge in verbal abuse and personal attacks on a regular basis.

      Consider a few examples:

      1. Alan Dershowitz
      2. Ben Shapiro
      3. Bret Stephens
      4. Caroline Glick
      5. David Greenfield
      6. David Horowitz
      7. Debbie Schlussel
      8. Jennifer Rubin
      9. John Podhoretz
      10. Orly Taitz
      11. Pamela Geller
      12. William Kristol

      There is a tone of brutal aggression in their communications that seems to reflect the xenophobic ethnic nationalist (supremacist?) culture (cult?) in which they are embedded.

      In any case, M.J. Rosenberg often falls into this style of speech -- whether he is going after "the enemies of the Jews" (antisemites, Jew haters, Israel haters, etc.) or AIPAC (his former employer). Check out his tweet stream for numerous instances.

      This kind of lobbying and political agitation usually backfires, obviously -- most people are turned off by the hysteria and the perpetual din.

      Pamela Geller takes the cake for this kind of thing -- she's the Queen of Screech -- but there are many other pro-Israel militants like her.

    • @Mayhem: "The last remark by Blumenthal is bound to incite every potential latent Israel-hater to new inspired heights of Israel abuse. Is he bothered by the collateral damage he causes? He should face up to the consequences for empowering those who prefer to demonise instead of rationalize."

      What are you talking about? Cross said, “If the Jews can have a Jewish state of their own, then why can’t we have a White Christian state of our own?” How is it "demonizing" Israel for Cross, or anyone else, to point out that white supremacists want what Israel has: racist rule and ethnic privilege.

      You say, "(Blumenthal) should face up to the consequences for empowering those who prefer to demonize instead of rationalize." Saying that Israel is all about ethnic privilege and apartheid is not "demonizing" Israel, it is being truthful.

      To "rationalize," which seems to be what you think is the proper course of action, means to "attempt to explain or justify (one's own or another's behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate." That is to say, to mislead and deceive. Why is lying better than truth-telling?

    • @Donald Nelson

      “So to me the argument needs to be made why collective punishment is moral. Collective punishment is not okay against the Palestinians, so why is it okay against the Israelis? Why is it okay against Iran? …”

      BDS is not a form of “collective punishment”: it is a form of “collective action”. There are distinct and important differences. Zionism can obviate the effects of BDS simply by abiding by international law. Same with Iran.
      Moreover, BDS did not emerge from a historical vacuum. Zionism introduced the very first boycott/sanctions regime in modern Middle East history in the 1920’s with its "Buy Hebrew" campaign which sought to eviscerate the established indigenous Palestinian agricultural system.

      Another component of that Zionist sanction regime was the “Conquest of Labor” campaign that sought to replace all indigenous Palestinian workers with Jewish immigrants. It is important to point out that Zionism took no notice whatsoever of the negative effects that its “Buy Hebrew” and “Conquest of Labor” campaigns had on Palestinians and their society. The nuanced concerns you voice: “Which medicines should be sanctioned? Which banks should be sanctioned? Whose bank accounts frozen, what technologies halted, which foodstuffs prevented from entering Israel?” – these are not the kinds of questions people living under foreign military occupation ask themselves.
      Perhaps your question about the morality of collective punishment would best be addressed to the Netanyahu administration relative to the Gaza blockade which is collective punishment and has been publicly described as such by the Israeli government.

    • Take it easy plz.
      That's the problem. Changing the names was dictated mainly by politics and Zionist historical narrative, which emphasized (although not from the very beginning, because even Gurion, together with the future 1st president of Israel wrote that Arab peasants in Palestine are descendants of the ancient communities) that the Jews are the "right" and "original" community in Palestine and not the Arabs in Palestine. The process of changing the names to " biblical", ie "original" started back in the 20's. The problem is that even Zionists themselves (the researchers) argue that multiple translations of the Bible distorted the names, so they often had to rename the Arabic names instinctively and guess how they should sound like in Hebrew ... All this action is political, to show that "original" inhabitants "returned". The names of various places are intended to be the evidence of their "originality" - but as it turns out they are not. If you like it or not it is a proces of renaming the places- to justify the expulsion of Arab inhabitants and replacing them with new Jewish ones- to divert the attention from the colonization process and to give the impression that arch-absent residents are in fact "returning" and not colonizing.
      As Ra'ad writes: "Yohanan Aharoni (one of the early authorities on Israeli geography) and others are forced to admit the errors in Hebrew transcription, even as they want to insist that biblical or other Hebrew sources of names are the genuine or original ones: “the biblical sources have undergone a long process of oral and written transcription ... some errors with regard to place names have crept in". At the same time, to give more credence to the Hebrew forms, Aharoni has to argue that transcription problems “exist mainly in the non-biblical sources, especially the Egyptian and Akkadian,” although these are the only available and fairly reliable sources (Aharoni, The Land of the Bible, p. 100-104). Yael Elitzur, a recent Israeli writer on toponymy (place naming), concedes the role of the “autochthonous inhabitants” in continuing the preservation of names (Elitzur, Ancient Place Names in the Holy Land, p. 2.), though who these undefined indigenous people are remains too sensitive for Elitzur to name them directly—viz. the Palestinians" (Ra'ad, p. 178)
      "Yohanan Aharoni’s The Land of the Bible: A Historical Geography is a typical early example of how Zionists deal with toponyms. For Aharoni, the place names are the ancient ones confirmed in the Bible, transmitted later in Aramaic, and then with the Muslim conquest in 638 ce they took on the “Arabic mouth.” This fallacious premise leads to several linguistic jumps that contradict even his own list of toponyms that show ancient Egyptian or other regional variants are different from and more natural than the Hebrew. [...] Other Israeli writers attempt to maintain this illusion of continuity and naturalness in relation to the modern imposition of the Hebrew names. They want to consider the Arabic influence as a “distortion” and that the Hebrew names have now been “regained,” contradicting the linguistic evidence and failing to give any credit to the Palestinian population that preserved the names: “many of the place-names were transmitted from ancient times, from one generation to another". (Ra'ad, p.184-185)
      "...a 1986 monograph by Thomas L. Thompson and F. C. Goncalvez entitled Toponomie Palestinienne: Plaine de St Jean D’Acre et Corridor de Jerusalem. This study shows how the Zionist toponymy project, originally established as early as 1920 to “restore” Hebrew names or to create names of symbolic meaning, went much further than its original mandate. There was simply not enough tradition to go by, so it could only continue by picking out biblical or Jewish associations at random. It had to Hebraize Arabic names, or in other cases translate Arabic to Hebrew to give the location an ideologically consistent identity. For example, some locations were rendered from Arabic into the Hebrew phonetic system: Minet el-Muserifa became Horvat Mishrafot Yam and Khirbet el Musherifa was changed to Horvat Masref. Sometimes, in this artificial process, the committees forgot about certain genuine Jewish traditions, as in the case of the total canceling of the Arabic name Khirbet Hanuta, not recognizing that it probably rendered the Talmudic Khanotah. This forced exercise of re-naming often even went against biblical tradition, most notably in erasing the Arabic names Yalu and ‛Imwas. Yalu became Ayallon, while ‛Imwas, Western Emmaus, associated with the Christ story, was one of three villages, along with Beit Nuba, razed in 1967. According to the Israeli writer Meron Benvenisti in Sacred Landscape, in order for a total map of the “Land of Israel” to be created, and since only a small number of place names could conceivably be linked to anything mentioned in the Bible, the renaming often became a forced exercise in making arbitrary connections, sometimes picking words at random from the Bible or translating to Hebrew the indigenous Arabic names and pretending they were Hebrew". (Ra'ad, p.188-189)
      Read the footnotes he provides in his book: he quotes multiple scholars on the matter and gives detailed descriptions of language problems concerning the above issues.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
    • DN: Yes, fighting the big-money boyz (America's oligarchs, BIG-DEFENSE, BIG-ZION., BIG-OIL, BIG-BANKS, Monsanto, etc., etc.) is much more important than I/P. Why? Because the USA is prevented from dealing with Climate Change by the oligarchs. If the whole world dies (due to Climate Change), no-one will be left to remember who "won" on I/P.

      As to BDS against America. if you can see how it might happen, go for it! I've always supposed EU and then others could be moved to sanction Israel if BDS were sufficient. I doubt anyone could successfully sanction or boycott the USA.

  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
    • incorrect translation..."what is this" says Norm Abram

      this picture was taken at the lovely David BenGurion Memorial Arboretum where one can stroll and admire the the orange trees and flowers and then go over by the pond the feed the ducks....the upkeep and general standard of aesthetics is excellent...and open to all

      this is actually a remotely controlled and programmable sprinkler system with a directed spray stream to conserve water...designed to "make the desert bloom"as is standard in Israel

  • Alterman says BDS is helping Netanyahu (111)
    • JustJessetr - so glad you support free-range chickens and imprisoned Palestinians. So positively progressive of you. Cheers.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • Two tweets of interest (Gareth Porter vs. Buber Zionist):

      GarethPorter @GarethPorter: Pro-Israel right drags Blumenthal into KC killings, shows no smear is too sleazy 2 be used against a critic of Israel. link to bit.ly

      Buber Zionist @buberzionist: .@norabf Israel-Haters whine as Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh & company in linking Slappsie Maxxie 2 KC shooter suspect link to mondoweiss.net

    • Ellen, somewhat to defeat your defense of Burg --

      Most boycotts and sanctions have been aimed at non-democracies. Although I call America an oligarchy (ruled by the big-money boyz), it is still in some fashion a democracy and Israel (as far as I know) is more so.

      Of course, democracies may be run by racists, crazies, oligarchs, etc., but they have a chance to respond to pressure. The people, injured, have a chance to set things straight. tThey may not do it. They may get their backs up instead and dig in their heels. (Backs, heels, the mixed metaphors!) But in non-democracies where only the people are hurt, the people have no chance to re-direct their government.

      Israeli citizens and/or businesses -- if hurt by boycott and sanctions -- could decide to end the occupation (or, a bit less, to call back the settlers, etc.).

      I favor a general boycott and, later, general sanctions.

  • It's time to reveal the Israeli role in the US surveillance machine (20)
    • "Weren’t the Australians colonials deadbeat Irish who couldn’t pay their debts?"

      A foul slur, sir! They were English, Scots, and Welsh as well, and most of them - even the Irish - were good, honest, criminals.

      "From distant climes, o’er wide-spread seas we come,
      Though not with much eclat or beat of drum,
      True patriots all; for be it understood,
      We left our country for our country’s good ;"

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • Did MJR get a new job, a new wife, new support, or been an object of new threats? He really does seem to have returned to older positions.

      Did he read the Hagada at Passover, where it is reported that the escaping Jews were asked not to celebrate the deaths of Egyptians who are also God's people? Am I wrong, or does the Seder recite that (in effect) we are ALL God's people?

      Perhaps that was an unusual translation, or I am just wishful thinking.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
    • If it were just a matter of extending the “same old same old”, in Friedman’s words,

      Yes, 3 years is the new Friedman Unit.

    • Rereading the Friedman article, something just struck me that I missed the first time: "[Defense Minister] Yaalon wasn’t talking about Palestinian terrorists. He was talking about Jewish terrorists, renegade settlers, who slashed the tires of an I.D.F. jeep parked in the settlement of Yitzhar ..." Mr. MSM columnist was actually calling it like it is and acknowledging what these folks are doing is terrorism. Whatever else Friedman says or doesn't say in this column, using this term is a big deal. Now, if he'd only take the next step, pointing out the historical parallels to the original Zionist terrorists, the Irgun and Stern Gang, and how, even though supposedly (according to mythological history) their terrorism was directed against the "authorities" - the British in that case - in actuality in both cases the terrorism was directed just as much if not more against the Palestinians.

  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
    • I'm not an armaments expert so I can't argue but I don't see any water source unless it runs up through the armature. It bears a very striking resemblance to an autmated machine gun produced by Rafael industries in Israel. And Israel was reported by Janes to be in the process of deploying remote automated machine guns along the separation barrier.

      So my question is, without argument, do you have any link to the manufacturer of said 'water cannon'.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • If Pipes, no slouch at it himself, claims that Max was raving, he should give examples of the raving. Perhaps he means to say (I do not for a moment seek to defend Pipes) that Max told only the seamy 1% side of rosy clean-as-a-whistle (Oh how I love ya!) Israel. That is not how I read Max's book.

      To me, accepting Max's assertions as facts (and helped to this view by Alterman's saying the book is “mostly technically accurate”), I saw it as a general denunciation of the Israeli society as a whole, not a selective peek at dirt (however black) under small corners of a large, clean rug.

      So, Pipes, where are the ravings? Or is the mere act of criticizing Israel res ipsa loquitur "raving"?

    • @ Krauss,

      Q: I cancelled my subscription to Haaretz...

      R: I hear you. To be honest, I find it increasingly difficult to keep reading their drivel myself [or the Jerusalem Post or others for that matter], but occasionally decide to keep my fingers on the pulse of whatever its is that keeps them ticking these days.

    • McBride: You amplify part of my point.

      I guess what I was after, more than facts, was meta-facts.

      What is reported and what is ignored? If reported, how is news characterized? And how do various publications stand up as reporters of ALL the important (to me) news as opposed to being reporters of what suits their owners' prejudices or propaganda programs.

      All this hoo-ha about the murder of three people even though on a racial/religious basis sits ill (with me) considering the general ignoring of years of Israel-done terrorism/horror. (It is, of course, par for the imperialist-apologist course, as NYT probably did not make much of Iraqi and Afghani and Yemeni and Pakistani deaths and dismemberments as a result of USA's free use of terrorism (thinly disguised within the USA as a war-on-terror)

  • Fear of Arab-Americans in the public square (45)
    • A silly post with no relationship to any verifiable truth.

      No one is censoring Muslims and Arabs on campus. No one. The only thing happening on campus is that the BDS movement is trying to censor pro-Zionist voices. Those are the voices that are being silenced, the ones being shouted down and snapped at. When BDS tactics violate school rules, groups get censured.

      The BDS movement is addicted to claiming victimhood - they claim, defensively, that they're being accused of antisemitism, they claim they're being censored in op-eds to school newspaper, they claim the "Establishment" is out to get them, etc, etc.

      Meanwhile, Jews are about six times more likely than Muslims to be the victims of hate crimes in America.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
    • Perhaps Tom Friedman will explain to the American public the extreme stupidity of the US Congress, in rewarding Israel's illegal colonisation programme in the West Bank.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
  • Fear of Arab-Americans in the public square (45)
  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • tree- Accusing me of Nakba denial is ridiculous. (Tossing around the phrase Nakba denial is stupid.) Lod is a name that appears in the Bible. To give it the name that it had before the Arabic version is not to rename it. If it had a different name after the Arab conquest of the 7th century that is fine and if that name was closer to the name that the Canaanites gave it, is also fine, but to call it renaming is just plain stupid. As if to call Jerusalem Jerusalem or Yerushalayim is to rename it, because it was called al quds by the Arabs. That's just plain stupid. And I know that you are not stupid. But your words are.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
  • NY Times profile of Gazan long distance runner reveals reality of occupation (6)
  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • Kane and Nguyen have laboured hard to discredit the accusations relating to the VNN forum but have had nothing to say about the last couple of paragraphs from the original article from Haaretz:

      In an article following Cross' rampage, Blumenthal wrote "some pro-Israel fanatics seemed gleeful for an opportunity to attack those they resent the most: Muslims, Palestinians and those who advocate for their equality."

      Referencing Cross' remark, "If the Jews can have a Jewish state of their own, then why can’t we have a White Christian state of our own?"
      Blumenthal also compared the latter's desire to create what he termed "an ethnically-exclusive white state in the Deep South" to the modern
      state of Israel.

      The last remark by Blumenthal is bound to incite every potential latent Israel-hater to new inspired heights of Israel abuse. Is he bothered by the collateral damage he causes? He should face up to the consequences for empowering those who prefer to demonise instead of rationalize.

      Although Blumenthal's remarks about Israel may not be construed as being anti-semitic per se, they do tend to encourage and foster strong outbursts from anti-semites who hang around in the wings of the anti-Israel lobby.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
    • "...this suggestion that they were just setting up Israel to convince Europe that sanctions was the only way to go is just too diabolical."

      Toivo, you need to take out the "just", then it makes sense. What they are doing, at least what Obama is doing, maybe Kerry also, is a game with 2 possible endings. What they prefer is Ending #1; the peace talks are productive of a final status agreement and the end of the occupation, an independent Palestine state. That is the best solution. Ending #2 is much messier. Probably no one, certainly not the Europeans, and arguably not the Palestinians, no one wants Ending #2. But if the Israelis insist, the board is all set up.

    • Yap the best way to go is BDS, it wouldn't take long to get the Zionist regime to think about the consequences twice. So far BDS is taking shape, hopefully in a year will have more universities, banks and the like hoping in.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • All that NSA surveillance that no one spotted this guy?

      What do we pay those people for!

    • I have to say that I have come 180 degrees concerning the academic boycott of Israel. I was all for an economic boycott but balked at punishing scholars there for what their country was doing. I liked to think of academia as that Ivory Tower, at its best, above politics. But as I educated myself on how Israeli universities supported the occupation I realized that nothing was going to change in that country until the Jews there felt just a LITTLE of the pain that they inflicted on others.

      It is time for Israel and Zionism to be held accountable for their actions.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
  • Roger Ailes demands NY village official take down 'Facebook' post. She says no (4)
  • On Easter week, Shaath says millions of Palestinians are denied access to Jerusalem (9)
  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • i'm embedding the tweet for reference.

      The BDS and Mondoweiss Israel haters succeed at nothing except driving us evil liberal Zionists far far away. Brilliant strategy!— MJ (Mike) Rosenberg (@MJayRosenberg) April 16, 2014

      to me this looks like goading and i would treat it as such.

  • NY Times profile of Gazan long distance runner reveals reality of occupation (6)
    • It is finally clear that momentum is building and if we continue to pepper the NYT with enough questions and complaints they will respond and change. It is an exciting development. I have just sent a letter of complaint to Sullivan about the Bruni article that was so negative about Palestinian students on US campuses.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
    • As I thought.
      Schumer tried to pass it off as concern about Israelis selling their wares in malls.
      From Isr helpers stealing US nuclear materials in the 50's thru everything else they done for 65 years the intelligence agencies are rightly leery of Israelis, especially now and no doubt have emphasized this to the congressional committees. As in..if you let them in and something happens .....its on your heads, not ours.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • For the last part: The proper arabic name is Akka not Acco. The name was changed to represent the "original" name, but it is false. There are problems with the shifting of the vowels from Arabic to Hebrew, like from: a—o, ‘a—a, a—e. Akka is much closer to the original name not Acco: Canaanite ‛Aka. The same goes with other city names. Read: Hidden Histories. Palestine and the Eastern Mediterranean by Basem L. Ra'ad (p. 176-179) or Sacred Landscape: The Buried History of the Holy Land Since 1948, by Meron Benvenisti. You should read the chapter in Ra'ads book: Politics of Place Names.
      He writes: "Place-naming in Palestine and Israel takes on an unusual character in that while Zionist organizers were not natives of Palestine they assumed nativity for themselves in their claim system, at the same time denying native status to the indigenous inhabitants who originally coined the names or continued them, and from whom the Zionists often took place names in order to translate them. Zionist claims assume that the Arabic forms are more recent and arose after the Arab/Muslim “conquest” in 638 ce, which changed or “distorted” place names, as if Arabic were a totally foreign language alien to its region. Ironically, however, the same city names assumed to be more recent (that is, the ones used in Arabic, ‛Asqalan and ‛Akka) are much closer to the original names found in hieroglyphic that date back around 4000 years...". (p.176-177).

    • According to Palestine Remembered:

      Lydda:

      City's name through history: The city may have picked its name from a Greek tribe known by Lydda, who were the first to settle the area. During the Roman period, the city was known by Diospolis, but soon after the Muslim Arabs conquest, al-Lydd regained its original name until the Zionists changed its name to Lod in 1948.

      link to palestineremembered.com

      Acre:

      City's name through history:
      Domination
      Period
      Notes

      Canaanites Acre was first foundedآ by either a Canaanite or a Phoenician Arab tribe known by al-Jar Jashyyein on Tel al-Fukhar, two kilometers East of the city.آ For the Canaanites, Acre was known by 'Akkaw (meaning hot sand), which is derived from the Arabic word of 'Akk, meaning intense rubbing.
      Ancient Egyptians 'Akka (as it's known to Arabs now)
      Israelites Accho
      Greeks Ptolemais
      Crusadesآ Accon, Acre, Acri, and Saint Jeand Acre (Nights of Saint John Mary).
      Zionist Akko

      link to palestineremembered.com

      So, according to Palestine Remembered, the city names in Arabic were al-Lyd and 'Akka, not Lod and Acco as you contend.

      Max mentions the change in the city's name here, in his description of the Palestinian flight from Haifa:

      Two weeks later, the Carmeli Brigade shelled Haifa's central marketplace, sending the rest of the Palestinian population rushing toward the shore. There as they frantically boarded boats to Lebanon, Gaza and Acre - now an Israeli city renamed "Akko" where many would be expelled again just weeks later- they were literally thrown into the sea.

      page 145, location 3571

      Here's his reference to the name change to Lod:

      ...they had taken control of Al-Lyd Airport, formerly administered by the British colonial authorities. ... As with the city of Lydda, the conquerors Hebraicized the name of the airport, renaming it Lod Airport.

      page 38, location 1027

      Nothing that Max said about either city's name change was incorrect. Israel renamed the cities which were known as al-Lyd and 'Akka in Arabic in 1948 to Hebraicized names after they conquered them. Your desperate attempts to smear Max's book as propaganda are bordering on pathetic. You are engaging in your own propaganda while pretending to abhor it in other. Very hypocritical on your part and bordering on Nakba denial for implying that Israel did not change those cities names to Hebrew cognates when its been clearly demonstrated by a host of others that Israel did just that with numerous Palestinian cities, towns and villages.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
    • brenda says:

      I think Obama is the man in the arena. >>>>

      I am all for you're being right..but like I said the first step is to cut off the US money.....and congress is busy, busy every day funding even more special projects for Israel and Obama keeps signing off on them.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • Donald,

      "Can you imagine how the US press and government would react if Israelis had trouble obtaining medicine? It’s a back page story for Iran–if it was done to Israel then the BDS movement would be the Second Coming of Adolf Hitler. "

      How do you extract general principles/guidelines out of an inequality in power among any set of activists? Palestinian request for sanctions against Israel is okay because the activists are not powerful and could never hurt Israelis enough to matter. On the other hand, Israeli request for sanctions against Iran is NOT okay because the Israeli activists (and their counterparts in the world at large) are powerful and can actually hurt Iranians. What i am hearing is that sanctions against one nation are only valid if those who desire the sanctions could never harm the target country to a considerable degree to begin with.

      In a free society, an activist can support whatever cause he or she wants. The problem though is that the success of that cause is not necessarily a function of the righteousness of that cause. Case in point: Zionists in America. Most here would say the cause is unjust, and yet look just how successful their cause is.

      If you want to limit the power of Zionist activism, then you have to change the paradigm for activism generally. If you want to prevent the ability of powerful groups within powerful governments to do injustice in the world, then you have to curtail the power of groups generally, not just the powerful ones. Activist groups calling for siege warfare against nations in my view is not the function of citizens, but rather the function of accountable officials within government deliberating on a clear and present danger to the country's security. There is no clear and present danger that Iran poses to the US, and so the sanctions against Iran (i.e. siege warfare) are unjust and Israeli friends in America should not be able to bring those sanctions about.

      The clear and present danger posed to America by Israeli actions towards Palestinians is a matter of fact to me, but to me that means American officials, not American activists, need to deliberate (with the voices of the citizenry allowed in that deliberation) what needs to be done about it. And yes, American officials are failing that deliberation, in no small part due to the corruption of the American system by rich and powerful activists. Activists got us into the Iraq war, activists have succeeded in their sanctions war against Iran and have almost succeeded in launching a hot war with Iran, and now those against the abuse of power that enables such warmongering are now trying to add on to that activist corruption through their BDS? NGOs (or even NG non-Os) have no business declaring war. The only check and balance in this set-up is defined by those who have money and those who don't.

      If an activist wants to encourage the international and Israeli recognition of Palestinian human rights, an act of war (sanctions) is not the way to go about that, it is just not the mandate of the citizenry.

    • Miller also seems to think favorably of Ron Paul and Voltaire, let's go after them too!

  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
    • Not shocking that MW and the palestinian press would distort the truth and characterize this as a 'machine gun'

    • Of course, as you look at the picture of the device you will notice there is no magazine on the "rifle/machine-gun" and therefore no way for the thing to deliver solid ordinance - since bullets would have to negotiate an 's' turn to reach the barrel.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • yonah fredman: I’ve been reading Max B’s book Goliath and his monomaniacal... ....it is Max B’s monomaniacal...

      yonah, I hope you too appreciate the irony of your accusation against Max B.

  • Why are two Republican congressmen doing a walkabout on the Temple Mount? (36)
  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
    • "This would give it until June 2017..."
      You don't think they'd be planning to celebrate the 100th anniversary of Balfour in a similar manner to the way they 'celebrated' the 50th? Anybody *not* think there are plans in the works to whip up another intifada that will be made as bloody as possible, with as much blame as possible being cast on the Palestinians, and those military orders and plans we know *have* (didn't they have exercises two or three years ago?) been made already to push them into Jordan coming to fruition? I'm sure there are plenty of hardline zionutters on the ground there who sincerely believe they can get away with it again - only dramatic change in the political outlook of the US can change that belief.

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • Implicating Max Blumenthal as a Jew hater because he was cited by this KKK murderous nut is a smear. (This is the price one pays for fame, being cited by David Duke and similars. It is unfair and unpleasant and a smear to associate Max with this killer, or alleged killer. (Do I really need to call him an alleged killer? Do I also have to call him an alleged nut or an alleged hater? Isn't this "alleged" nonsense a bit too much, the first step in political correctness that is a bit much?) But there is an overlap of Jew haters and haters of Zionism and it is bound to happen that Jew haters will quote approvingly of famous anti Zionists. Max is now a famous anti Zionist and such a connection, though not relevant in a court of law or even in the court of public opinion, is bound to be quoted by Jew haters.)

      I've been reading Max B's book Goliath and his monomaniacal one sidedness is frankly nauseating and I can see where it is not reporting, but is propaganda. (Again let me reassert that Naftali Bennett is a bigger threat to Israel than Max B. An aside: What percentage of American Jewish supporters of Israel even know who Max B. is? What percentage of American Jewish supporters of Israel even know who Naftali Bennett is? What about the percentage of Americans in general?)

      An example: In referencing the fact that Israel calls the city where the airport is located as Lod, Max says that Israel renamed the city from Lydda to Lod. Similarly in a report about the city of Acre, Max says that the city was renamed by the Israelis as Acco from Acre. This is just high school nonsense. Lydda and Acre were not the original names of these cities. In Arabic these towns are not called Lydda and Acre, but Lod and Acco. Those names (Lydda and Acre) are Western names given to ancient places and the more ancient names are Lod and Acco. But it is Max B's monomaniacal "I hate Israel handbook" that requires him to fault Israel for renaming these cities, when the ancient names are not Lydda and Acre, but Lod and Acco.

    • No one says 'collective punishment' is right.
      Its a alternative to a shooting war, invasion , outside forces overthrow most of the time.

  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel (47)
    • annie: why wait 3 years?

      Why indeed? The Palestinians could stop waiting for outside agencies to act and make this demand on Israel now. The fear of a single-state by Zionists gives the Palestinians real power, but only if they choose to use it. No wonder so much effort is expended on gulling them into continuing with the ‘peace process’, with ‘liberal Zionists’ being the worst offenders.

      I'll be impressed by Friedman when he starts advocating for a single-state as the best solution. Someone needs to start preparing American Jews for that eventuality.

    • @ ToivoS

      My guess was that they saw it as an opportunity to distract Israel from trying to sabotage the Iranian peace talks

      If that was it, it didn't work too well, since neither the lobby, nor Netanyahu ever lost their laser-like focus on it. The fact that they failed to completely derail the talks with Iran has more to do with an increasingly awake citizenry that pilloried their congress-critters and struck fear in their hearts. If that was by design, then that is far more diabolical than unleashing Europe.

      Presidents only have two points in their term when they can take on the lobby - the first year of their first term, and the last two years of their second term. Obama made an attempt in the first year, with his naive Cairo speech, but was beaten bloody. It is no secret that there is no love lost between he and Netanyahu. Some vestige of pride has to remain in him to want his legacy to reflect some difference that his two terms in the WH made, and even a human need to get back at Netanyahu for his public humiliation.

      So, in order to have something happen in 2015, he needs to finish setting the stage in 2014, and pull the trigger post-November. Until then, he would be wise to keep mouthing the same platitudes so as not to alert the dark side.

      The only thing holding back European sanctions is the US. If it could be clear to them that the US would not thwart their attempts to bring Israel to heel, the sanctions would be enacted tomorrow morning. The common citizenry in Europe appear to be in favor of it, so their governments need the courage (and maybe a slight nudge from Obama/Kerry) with secret assurances that we would not block their attempts, for them to go forth and enact BDS in full fury.


      to think that Kerry and Obama could operate at that level of Machiavellian intrigue is hard to believe

      Perhaps. But who would have thought that Nixon would go to China?

  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • Rosenberg has now even labeled annie a anti semite for a comment she made. I've taken him out of my 'just screwed up' liberal zionist column and put him into the pro Israel we hate everyone column. 3 of every 5 tweets he makes is about 'who he hates'...which is everyone and anyone who doesnt 'actively' support Israel no matter what their reason is for not supporting it.
      Even people who are netural on 2s or 1s are hate worthy because *he knows* that their 'real goal' in not demanding 2 states is to destroy the Jews home .
      link to twitter.com

  • Updated: Remote-control gun installed atop wall near Bethlehem -- Ma'an (15)
  • Haaretz joins Rush Limbaugh and company in trying to link Max Blumenthal to KC shooter suspect (101)
    • MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg Apr 14

      If I thought Max Blumenthal's work advanced peace, it would be one thing. It doesn't. It advances hatred.

      Mike,

      How is reporting the facts about racism (and hatred) in contemporary Israeli culture "advancing hatred"? What facts did Blumenthal get wrong in his book?

      Perhaps you could flesh out your charge with some well-reasoned arguments and solid documentation.

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