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  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • They bought the law. If Galut goes BDS Israel is toast and the law will be amended.

      Correction: They made a down payment. Bushes and Clintons don't stay bought-off without regular payments of the minimum balance due to their campaign coffers.

    • Dov Weisglass, said at the time that although the American resolution was a non-binding one, it provided Israel with the Americans’ moral assurances that they would do everything to safeguard these 2 acquired conditions and that no subsequent American President would ever overturn it.

      Except Obama's State Department disavowed the letter and said it isn't official policy. FYI, Netanyahu further undermined the value of the letter at Davos when he offered to turn the settlement blocks over and leave them under Palestinian sovereignty. If you are Abbas, you just handle illegal aliens by operation of law.

    • Fat chance. Right now, it is regressing, i.e. dragging Hamas down with itself.

      I doubt the US Congress is going to include any funding in the foreign assistance budget for a Fatah-Hamas-Islamic Jihad PA or PLO. So I have no idea why you think there isn't a fat chance that Fatah already cut the morphine drip when it signed those 15 UN Human rights conventions.

    • Israeli hasbara referring to what is legal are pointless. They bought the law.
      If Galut goes BDS Israel is toast and the law will be amended.

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • Statehood is simply a legal status conferred on another entity by other existing states. States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The recognition of a state merely signifies that the state which recognizes it accepts the personality of the other with all the rights and duties determined by international law. See for example the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States link to jus.uio.no

      The only reason Palestinians have the right to drag Israel to the ICC, is because they have been recognized as a state.

      So make that: "can everyone please stop pretending there is hope for anything by continuing to govern a non-state an occupied Palestinian state and instead focus on dragging Zionists to the ICC with one unified effort and voice!" and you've got a deal. Palestinians still need to accept the PLO Executive as the provisional government of their state pending independence, even of it's just a Bantustan victim state. Only the government of a state can voluntarily accept ICC jurisdiction and demand prosecution of the Israeli officials who have committed crimes on its territory and citizens.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • Subscribing to Haaretz breaks the boycott, even if it’s only a buck. No normalization. Not a penny.

      If you read Kate's daily summaries, or many of the other articles, you know that we're clearly not boycotting Haaretz, Gideon Levy, Amira Hess, et al.

  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • “The “armistice lines of 1948″ mentioned in the text are weasel words for the 67 lines. “

      No. Ben Gurion had unilaterally declared the armistice agreements null and void, occupied the DMZs, declared Israeli sovereignty over the additional territory, and declared them closed military zones in order to expel the Arab cultivators who inhabited portions of them. There was an on-going dispute with the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO) before the 67 war over Israel's compliance with UN Security Council resolutions 62 and 73 and the armistice agreements.

      So, the "4 June 1967 lines" are different in that respect from the 1949 armistice lines. Resolution 242 did not require withdrawal to the armistice lines, just to the 4 June 1967 lines, i.e. withdrawal from territories occupied in the recent conflict. The Palestinians have accepted that as the basis or starting point for negotiations.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (83)
  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • Maybe it was a simple cease-fire line, Talknic, but whatever it was, Bush agreed that the major settlements (Ariel et al) on the other side of "that line" weren't budging. I agree that international laws trump the American ones, but legal or not, even the master snake-oil salesman, Dov Weisglass, said at the time that although the American resolution was a non-binding one, it provided Israel with the Americans' moral assurances that they would do everything to safeguard these 2 acquired conditions and that no subsequent American President would ever overturn it. The slimebag was right.

    • Arafat, Abbas & Company let this one sail right through without a peep

      Walid if you are just trying to make the most misleading comments on the subject, your record is already secure. The Palestinians got Secretary Clinton to repudiate that Bush letter:

      The Israelis say they received commitments from the previous US administration of President George W. Bush permitting some growth in existing settlements.
      They say the US position was laid out in a 2004 letter from Bush to then Israeli premier Ariel Sharon.
      Clinton rejected that claim, saying any such US stance was informal and “did not become part of the official position of the United States government.”
      She reiterated the US position that Israel is obliged to follow commitments made in a so-called “road map” for peace negotiations with the Palestinians which foresaw a halt to settlement activity.
      “Those obligations are very clear,” Clinton said.

      link to ynetnews.com

      The Palestine Papers proved beyond any doubt that Erekat and the PLO Negotiations Support Unit took Obama's envoy, George Mitchell, to task over the subsequent US abandonment of the Quartet Road Map terms of reference.

      The Mitchell report became the basis for the framework of the Quartet Road map, which was adopted in-turn by both the Security Council (resolution 1515) and the General Assembly:

      PHASE 1

      SETTLEMENTS
      GOI [Government of Israel] immediately dismantles settlement outposts erected since March 2001.
      • Consistent with the Mitchell Report, GOI freezes all settlement activity (including natural growth of settlements).

      That framework agreement was also used by the Security Council, the Quartet, and the General Assembly to bully the Palestinians into cooperating with Israel on security measures it required the PA to take in Phase I against Palestinians who were planning and carrying out violent attacks.
      The only truly astonishing revelation contained in the Palestine Papers, was when Obama’s Special Envoy, Mitchell himself, asked the Palestinians to forget about the Phase I terms of reference regarding the Israeli settlement freeze. Erekat responded: My option, the BATNA [Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement], if all goes down, is the one state.
      When pressed to uphold the terms of reference that Secretary Rice had put in the record, Mitchell said “I’m begging of you” (to forget the official Quartet and UN terms of reference for the negotiations and settlement that he had helped author in 2001) and claimed they did not reflect binding policy:

      George Mitchell: The reality is: No negotiations is not in your interest. So we are to come up with a statement to give you a ladder to climb down on this issue – just like you asked a week ago. Now you are arguing over the color of the ladder. And you are drawing unfounded inferences…
      Again I tell you that President Obama does not accept prior decisions by Bush. Don’t use this because it can hurt you. Countries are bound by agreements – not discussions or statements.
      Erekat: But this was an agreement with Sec. Rice.
      (later)
      Schwartz: It is not legally binding – not an agreement.
      Erekat: For God’s sake, she said to put it on the record. It was the basis for the maps.
      George Mitchell: You guys are now trying to come up with a history that Obama somehow invented the freeze. You and the Arabs have been calling for a freeze long before Obama. He did not pull it out of the air and impose it!
      Erekat: You wrote it in your report.
      George Mitchell: You established it as a precondition. We tried very hard, and we know what you think of us because we failed. Fine. So you can look back 10, 20, 60 years from now without negotiations or we can try to move forward.
      Erekat: I have my BATNA, Senator. People keep telling me the consequences of this, and the consequences of that … We have ongoing discussion in the PLO and Fatah Central Committee. If this is what we have, then we will no longer be talking about two states, but one state.

      link to transparency.aljazeera.net

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • I assert that you are throwing the term “broad support” around very promiscuously.

      What you don't get the hasbara talking points via RSS feed? Pollard is a regular cause célèbre among the major Jewish organizations who have started a propaganda war against the US government on his account. They have made, not just his release, but the pardon of this POS criminal a formal part of Jewish community activism and outreach, e.g.:
      B'nai Brith President: "Pollard Potential Dreyfus II"
      link to jonathanpollard.org
      ADL's Foxman: Pollard incarceration verges on anti-Semitism
      link to jta.org
      Jewish Agency chairman Natan Sharansky and Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat called Tuesday for the urgent release of imprisoned Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard during the General Assembly of the Jewish Federations of North America in Jerusalem.
      link to jpost.com
      The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations calls for Pollard pardon link to jta.org
      The Spy Who's Locked Into the Cold: It's time to release Jonathan Pollard.
      link to aish.com
      link to aishfl.com See Pollard under the heading "Jewish Activism"

  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • @ Walid "The resolution not only negated the 67 borders, it also blew away the Palestinians’ RoR"

      International Law and the UN Charter trumps US law when it comes to matters outside the sovereign extent of the US

      "The “armistice lines of 1948″ mentioned in the text are weasel words for the 67 lines. "

      The opposite. There was no armistice in '67 = the '67 lines are weasel words. UNSC resolutions subsequent to UNSC res 242 reaffirm "that acquisition of territory by military conquest is inadmissible" and reaffirm "the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem;" link to wp.me

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (59)
    • @ yonah fredman "I am merely asserting that Ted Auerbach’s sample was not a fair one and that if he had stayed 100 times with Hamas people then it would be a fairer sample"

      I realize it's not within a propagandists brief, but be honest for once if you can. Have m/any Jews visiting Gaza on humanitarian missions been slaughtered by Hamas?

  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • "... Baker also said that a Palestinian state would be based on 1967 borders. Obama has also nullified that promise" (Phil or Khalidi?)

      It was actually Bush II that did the nullifying, which was enshrined in a non-binding Congressional Resolution 460 in June 2004. The resolution not only negated the 67 borders, it also blew away the Palestinians' RoR.

      The pertinent parts of the "whereas" of the resolution:

      "... Whereas President Bush, as part of that dialogue, expressed the support of the United States for Prime Minister Sharon's initiative in a letter dated April 14, 2004;

      Whereas in the April 14, 2004, letter the President stated that in light of new realities on the ground in Israel, including already existing major Israeli population centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949, but realistic to expect that any final status agreement will only be achieved on the basis of mutually agreed changes that reflect these realities;

      Whereas the President acknowledged that any agreed, just, fair, and realistic framework for a solution to the Palestinian refugee issue as part of any final status agreement will need to be found through the establishment of a permanent alternative and the settling of Palestinian refugees there rather than in Israel;

      ... Now, therefore, be it
      Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That Congress--"

      link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org

      The "armistice lines of 1948" mentioned in the text are weasel words for the 67 lines. Arafat, Abbas & Company let this one sail right through without a peep, probably because they had never seen a weasel and they didn't understand much English anyway. They probably didn't understand the second part either, the one stating that the refugees would not be returning to Israel.

    • "And Fatah will have to decide that it’s going to take itself off the “morphine drip of American and Israeli support for essentially being a service agency for the occupation."
      Fat chance. Right now, it is regressing, i.e. dragging Hamas down with itself.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (59)
  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • yes, very good point, thanks for bringing it up. I noticed during an earlier press conference on I-P how closely the reporters were grilling the State Dept. spokeswoman but the penny didn't drop for me -- it's a new day!

      "EU welcomes Palestinian unity, but says talks still 'top priority'
      Spokesman stresses the EU has consistently called for intra-Palestinian reconciliation and the establishment of a unity government."
      link to haaretz.com

      and China joins the crowd also:
      link to reuters.com

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • Hostage- You asserted that Pollard has broad support from the Jewish community. Are you asserting that this broad support asserts that he did nothing wrong? And again, what is broad support?

      I assert that you are throwing the term "broad support" around very promiscuously.

    • But who knows what Jonathan Pollard achieved? I know here at Mondoweiss you know it all, but there is not a broad section of the Jewish community that knows what Pollard stole or did not steal and so how can their support for Pollard be anything other than “he’s suffered enough”.

      The fact is that Pollard supplied a signals intelligence manual and high resolution satellite images that revealed US capabilities. link to www2.gwu.edu

  • BDS activists leaflet Ben & Jerry's shops on commercial ties to Israeli settlements (18)
    • BrianEsker "One of Canaan Fair Trade’s biggest customers for ALMONDS, Ben and Jerry’s ice-cream, visit Canaan and the PFTA this month!"

      So? How does that negate their trade with illegal settlements?

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • If Hamas accepted Israel's existance along the 67 borders there would be wailing heard from Tel Aviv to the WB settlements. But wait...

      link to ynetnews.com

      Zionists already know it's within the realm of possibility, but then that's the real threat isn't it? Hence the wailing, should Hamas dare to firmly utter: we accept Israel along the 67 borders. Cause everyone knows there's no price in Palestinian land robbed that Israel is willing to return for peace. And I agree with Truman's Jesus quote because these Zionists are so selfish even Jesus couldn't save them.

      And can we please dismiss Ali Abunimah’s cynicism as just that: cynicism! And now that the long-expired illegitimate Abbas government has reconciled with Hamas, can everyone please stop pretending there is hope for anything by continuing to govern a non-state and instead focus on dragging Zionists to the ICC with one unified effort and voice!

    • Those who speak about a two state solution should refer to the Geneva Accord of 2003 or the Clinton Parameters of December 2000. If you have some other concept in mind, go right ahead, but please specify, for anything that is not quite near to those two models is really referring to something other than the international concept (as in Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter, and EU).

      WTF??? The Quartet Performance Based Road Map, sans Israel's 14 reservations, has been obligatory for all member states under the terms of articles 24 and 25 of the UN Charter ever since the day UN Security Council resolution 1515 (2003) was adopted. link to un.org

      Likewise, the Security Council reminded members in resolution 1860 (2009) that there are no provisional borders of the Palestinian state that do not include the Gaza Strip. link to un.org

      The State of Palestine that the General Assembly acknowledged in resolution 67/19 (2012) had provisional borders, that are still in effect. They were determined by the Security Council in resolutions 62 and 73.
      * A/RES/67/19 link to unispal.un.org
      * S/RES/62 (1948) link to un.org
      * S/RES/73 (1949) link to un.org

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • As far as approval for subterfuge of Milchan because it achieved nuclear capabilities for Israel, which a broad portion of the community supports, that is a reasonable assertion. But who knows what Jonathan Pollard achieved? I know here at Mondoweiss you know it all, but there is not a broad section of the Jewish community that knows what Pollard stole or did not steal and so how can their support for Pollard be anything other than "he's suffered enough". also define broad support. 20% or more? 10% or more? certainly it must be at least 10% to be considered broad support. (probably I'd prefer 30% or more to be considered broad support.)

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • @ yonah fredman How about Israel stop breaking the Law and UN Charter, withdraw from ALL non-Israeli territories for once, take its illegal settlers, go live in Israel. 65 years is a long time to have your military and your citizens illegally in other folks territory.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • American implied that the word gadolim was translated by the Tablet publication as high priest. Tablet did no such thing. That is American's translation. a poor translation. Gadol means big, and in yiddishized Hebrew Gadolim means the leaders of the Jewish community particularly those who are learned in Jewish texts.

    • However, it simply is not legitimate to question the very existence of a lawful United Nations member state any more than it is legitimate to question any other.

      Nonsense. Israel is no more lawful than the South African apartheid regime was in its own territory and in South West Africa. There would be nothing wrong with refusing to accept its delegation's credentials and keeping it from participating in the business of the United Nations, until it fulfills its obligations under the minority protection plan contained in resolution 181(II). The same goes for Palestine. I've pointed out on many occasions that customary international law regarding termination of the international mandate, a sacred trust of civilization, was and is contingent on constitutional guarantees of equality and non-discrimination with regard to women, and religious and minority groups. Those rights are under UN guarantee and cannot be altered without the consent of the General Assembly and the ICJ.

  • Tony Blair's Middle East speech: dangerous and anti-Muslim (23)
    • “It may well be that in time people come to view the impact of those engagements differently.”

      That's funny he would say that. The US' wars in the ME must have been a boon for the recruitment rates of Islamic extremists. I find it extremely contradictory to be Tony Blair, still defend the pointless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan today, and at the same time warn about Islamic extremism. If anything, Tony Blair has been the best imaginable (under reasonable circumstances) ally of Islamic extremists.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • Funny about the Krusty claim that "There is a Jewish nation-state". The "lawful" state of Israel rules over a Jewish minority and has since 2010 if you believe Israeli demographer Sergio DellaPergola. According to the Israel National Security Project, "Jews already constitute a minority of the population living between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, and their share of the total population is expected to further decline in the next several decades." Here's a link: link to israelnsp.org
      Israel rules over a Palestinian majority. It's "lawful" statehood under the U.N. doesn't change that. Nor does the U.N. definition of Israeli statehood include even an inference that the state is defined by a specific ethnicity. Krusty needs a new hobby horse to ride around the living room. As to the legitimacy of questioning the existence of a nation state, it is certainly legitimate to question the legitimacy of imaginary lines on the ground that define poverty, privilege, and oppression.

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • Those who speak about a two state solution should refer to the Geneva Accord of 2003 or the Clinton Parameters of December 2000. If you have some other concept in mind, go right ahead, but please specify, for anything that is not quite near to those two models is really referring to something other than the international concept (as in Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter, and EU).

      The belief that Hamas is near to these concepts of peace seems to be stretching it. So those who assert the reconciliation of Hamas and Fatah as somehow conducive to peace seems to be asserting something other than the two stated models and should therefore either desist or specify the model they have in mind.

      As we move away in time from 2000 and 2003, it is no surprise that new models will be endorsed or evolve, but to avoid confusion, one should specify.

    • Provided that this unity deal includes Hamas renouncing violence and extinguishing their paramilitary arm

      Why? So long as they've renounced aggression, they can be considered legitimate branches of the state's constabulary and armed forces. Israel has to treat them as such too, now that Palestine is a high contracting party to the Geneva and Hague Conventions. There is nothing in international law that permits Israel to blockade neighboring states to prevent them from obtaining conventional weapons or maintaining conventional forces.

    • The reconciliation of Hamas and Fatah into a united Palestinian entity encompassing Gaza is a critical defeat for Netanyahu and Likud.

      Well Netanyahu can't pretend he has complied with the resolution 242 criteria regarding withdrawal and termination of all belligerent claims, while he is still committing two of the constituent acts of the crime of aggression, the continued occupation of the settlement blocks and a blockade of Gaza. Turkey won't even normalize relations until the blockade is ended, I'm guessing the Gazans would vote against anything less in the national referendum that Abbas has promised.

  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • @ Mayhem "This is talk of desperation"

      It's a logical and legal step. That's why Israel and the US are desperate for it NOT to happen.

      "of a people who have f..ked up good and proper on the international stage and are now trying by whatever means they can to devise ways to keep fighting for their (lost) cause"

      Uh huh. It is Israel in breach of International Law and UN Charter.
      Israel makes demands in negotiations that have absolutely no legal basis what so ever.
      Israel who, after 65 years of building illegal facts on the ground, cannot now afford to adhere to the law.
      Israel couldn't even afford to pay rightful reparations for dispossessing non-Jews in 1948. By now the bill is astronomical.

      At best all Israel can LEGALLY do is strike a plea bargain with the Palestinians and hope they remain so generous. The alternative is for Israel to continue to break the law, the UN Charter, a merry jaunt on the way to becoming a grimy little failed state.

      The lost cause is the vile, illegal Zionist plan for Greater Israel.

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • w. jones- Fair enough question. But who are you to ask it? Armenian? What was the worst that happen to your people or is there a people that you identify with? If not, then what is the worst that has happened to the human species in the last 100 years? He who lives in a glass house and throws stones can comment about other people who live in glass houses and throw stones, but he who lives in a brick house, let him not cast the first stone.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • "WHAT TERRITORY (IF ANY) is one recognizing/admitting/asserting as the territory of the state of Israel when one “recognizes” Israel?"

      As Israel asked to be recognized. Effective 00:01 May 1th 1948 ME time "the state of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time" link to wp.me
      Israel has not since legally acquired any further territory

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (59)
    • Netanyahu and Jodie Rudoren are promoting the 'kill all jews' meme by attributing it to Hamas, from a NYT/Reuters piece picked up in Fairfax press in Australia:

      Mr Netanyahu was emphatic in an interview on Thursday that Israel "will not negotiate with a Palestinian government backed by Hamas. These people are calling for the obliteration of the Jewish state [and were] openly, openly calling for the killing of Jews wherever you find them."
      But he said Israel was still prepared to talk peace: "If we encounter a Palestinian leadership and Palestinian government that is ready to pursue genuine peace negotiations, we're going to be there.

      Israel halts peace talks with Palestinians

      I included the second paragraph because Netanyahu slipped and let it out his desired goal is "genuine peace negotiations" instead of "genuine peace".

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • The USA Jewish community wasn’t involved in those activities generally and didn’t approve of them.

      You're dissembling. For example, Jonathan Pollard and Arnon Milchan were members of the Jewish community and were personally responsible. There's plenty of evidence that both men enjoy broad support from the Jewish community too.

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • Follow up question: Why don't Armenians have a massive siege mentality complex combined with nationalism due to the tragedy and to achieving independence in the 1990's with only scattered examples of sovereignty over numerous preceding centuries?
      Feel free to continue after comments close here: link to friendfeed.com

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (83)
    • Israel’s national ID card and registry, which is simply a method of delivering social services to all, and is little different from the national ID systems in the dozens of other countries that employ them and use the pedigree information for statistical purposes as Israel does.

      LoL! There you go again. The CERD reports provide an excellent overview of the separate and completely unequal or non-existent delivery and funding of social services for the Jewish and Arab public sectors, right down to the hundreds of separate rural communal settlements established for Jews on public lands versus none for non-Jewish minorities and separate and unequal funding of education. The concluding observations about Article 3 are based upon evidence of apartheid or prohibited forms of racial discrimination and segregation. Here is the most recent installment: link to www2.ohchr.org

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • I like the way your musical chair is being rearranged . After Iraq, it would be Iran,Syria,Libya,Somalia and Yemen . Saudi Arab was on the Pearle's lists . The janitors rearranging the chairs are Wolfowitz, Kagan, Amitay, Krauthahhmer, Satloff, out of the offcies of WINEP,AIPAC,ADL and OSP.
      BTW Americans know when they hear the music and appreciate when they listen., reject when they dont like - the way an informed decision works .
      This 5th columns are pervasively invisible like Carbon Monoxide and forces the messages always with room for deniability .If known of the impact, American will demand warning signs and alarms installed and will ban the musicians .

  • Jenin refugee camp hit by wave of Israeli raids and killings (11)
    • @davidsp - Starts just like a twin of Jim Jones' People's Temple of collective suicide fame. Pity it ends in their becoming murderers .

    • @davidsp - "Broad brush"? Zionists by definition subscribe to "Jewish" nationhood and claim a "homeland" which by definition must be on other people's land and sovereignty area. The general public may get this soon. These two conditions are fully sufficient to charge them *all, not only with "5/48", but all consequences of the ongoing colonization since 1882, including the millions expelled from their own land and despoiled of their sovereignty, the tens of thousands of murdered and invaded in their wars of aggression and the daily genocidal action. These are all consequences of their establishing a "Jewish state" on other people's land.
      Other people's swamplands and deserts remain totally irrelevant (and out of bounds for invaders.)

  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • I am going to be the devil's advocate here. This may sound preposterous and totally unrealistic.... but...

      What if this rapprochement stems from Abbas reaching a deal with Israel whereby the PLO provides Israel a fig leaf to justify the collapse of the negotiations and put the blame on the PLO? Surely, Israel's reaction must have not come as a surprise to Abbas.

      The question is: what would Abbas gain under this scenario? Maybe he and his core group of people get money? Something else?

      Also, what is Abbas gaining by the rapprochement?

      I hope nobody gets offended or upset... just playing some science fiction here.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (59)
    • @yonah

      The testimony of Ted Auerbach is irrelevant. I’m sure (23/29ths sure) that he was not staying with Hamas Palestinians. That is the demographic of the Palestinian people that might harbor attitudes formed by the Hadith that I referred to yesterday.

      I see what you mean: while Fatah Palestinians don't want to kill all Jews, Hamas ones do.

      Small problem, a Jew called Norman Finkelstein has been the guest of Hamas Palestinians in Gaza, and they didn't kill him.

      So, while this may be 32/29ths off kilter, we're still left with not a single example of Palestinians who have avowed to kill all Jews.

      I must add I can't fathom why you would consider that calling out a deranged editorial policy is not relevant in a blog largely devoted to media bias.

    • @Friedman - Nobody said it's easy to defend an ongoing genocide; that's why it's a job for seasoned propaganda operatives, not the likes of you. As shown by the non-response.

  • Tony Blair's Middle East speech: dangerous and anti-Muslim (23)
  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • This is talk of desperation, of a people who have f..ked up good and proper on the international stage and are now trying by whatever means they can to devise ways to keep fighting for their (lost) cause.

  • Jenin refugee camp hit by wave of Israeli raids and killings (11)
    • There are stories of quiet young men who never stand out. But after a few sessions in a shul they become 'radicalized'. They disappear, their parents become frantic and many weeks later they get a mysterious msg from an ulpan in a kibbutz located in the wilderness. After a long time they are home but there is no connection to their former lives. Now they put on tefillin, eat kosher, buy israel bonds, become camp counsellors in the catskills and talk about making aliya. This is a growing issue and can no longer be swept under the rug.

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • ''I’ve said that liberal Zionists are going to blame Netanyahu; Steve Clemons appears to do so here:'>>>>>

      Steve isnt a liberal zionist, he's a 'social' zionist. Meaning he observes the 'existence' of Israel to get along in the DC circles and stay a 'insider'...lol
      But he makes no bones about US interst vr Isr interest.
      I used to frequent his blog, TWN, regularly and was looking back thru the articles and comments there 3 and 4 years ago.
      I was there during the time he went after Bolton, went after Wolfowritz, went after Schumer.
      He went after I-Firstdom so hard Rubin at WP and the zios launched a full blown attack on him.
      He was a bit more circumspect after that attack but I guarentee his views on USA-Isr have not changed.
      The thing is Clemons, despite being the political insider that he is, really does represent how most Americans would see or feel about USA-Isr-I/P if they all knew what he and we know.
      Here's a perfect example from back in 2010:

      Israel and Health Care?
      link to washingtonnote.com

      ''During one of my times at bat during the interesting show, I suggested that Israel’s continued settlement expansion was directly helping Iran and enhancing its pretensions and goals in the region. The Washington Institute’s David Schenker responded that he really didn’t see a linkage between the settlements and Iran’s position.''

      '' But that’s not the issue that most caught my attention in this exchange.
      Schenker, who offered some interesting insights on the show, went on to assert that while he saw no linkage between Israel’s settlement expansion and a boost to Iran’s regional posture, he suggested there was a linkage between US-Israel relations and getting Obama’s health care reform passed.

      What?? Play that again.

      So, David Schenker sees no linkage between what a huge number of observers see as Israel wrecking chances for a credible two state track — and the use of this grievance by Iran in its support of transnational Arab networks in the region, but nonetheless sees linkage between President Obama’s fragile health care reform position and the state of US-Israel relations?!

      ''Schenker’s view was that Obama couldn’t afford to have a testy, strained relationship with Israel because it would cost him support in Congress for his health care legislation.

      If he is right, then the relationship with Israel has gone too far indeed.

      Any US Congressperson or Senator who actually explicitly withdrew or withheld support for health care reform because of loyalty first to Israel and its needs would invite serious questions about his or her patriotism and oath to the US Constitution and American people.''

      But my most favorite was when he wrote a article asking Chuck Schumer if he worked for Israel or the US. lol...that was a doozy.
      The Zio's very, very nasty attack on him in the WP I think did make him tone it down some but they wernt successful in getting him kicked out of the insiders circle or the social network of Georgetown. Clemons is a very social animal, enjoys that socializing circut and I bet that it was that social network that held the zio attack dogs at bay and prevented them from running him out of the political circle.

  • Jenin refugee camp hit by wave of Israeli raids and killings (11)
    • The general public misunderstands what the term zionist means. Its true you have a militant branch which believes in draining swamps, irrigating the desert, reforesting the bare hillsides and generally reclaiming a land that stood empty and desolete for millenlia. But most zionists live quiet lives in various places, tel aviv, rishon, nes ziona, new york etc. To them the term means self actualization, an inner struggle to improve ones self. People say that all zionists were responsible for 05/48. But that is painting with a broad brush and presents an unfair and hurtful picture

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (59)
    • @Citizen

      How about, “Israeli Jews have avowed as their goal the transfer/exodus of all Palestinians.”

      Actually, that would be an accurate statement. Israelis are represented by their elected politicians, and the country's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Avigdor Liberman, has put forward the idea of transferring Israeli Arabs, for instance by swapping Israeli Arab towns for uninhabitted Palestinian land.

      Liberman has avowed to get rid of the Arabs frequently and unambiguously. For instance, on Sunday he addressed Israeli Arab politicians in a Facebook posting, stating “I can promise these inciters that we will do everything so that in any future accord, they will find themselves in the place they belong and Umm el-Fahm [a major Israeli Arab town] shall be part of the Palestinian state and not part of the state of Israel.”

      This is not an obscure sentence in a charter, or a vague statement misrepresented by the press. It's a repeatedly stated commitment to a policy of ethnic cleansing.

  • Israeli settlers release wild boars on Palestinian farmland to destroy crops (22)
    • "Moving Palestinians to Syria and Lebanon is no more some horrible trauma naturally then when I moved from CA back to NJ."

      You were driven from CA by force of arms, and your house and property in CA was stolen by Korean immigrants?

      " Having different histories creates different nations so this act helped to form the Palestinian people but they weren’t entirely pre-existing as a nation. "

      How does this detract from or modify the rights of the Palestinians?

      "Around 1920 is when you start to see strong signs of a distinct Palestinian identity forming."

      Before the Nakba, when the Palestinians were still in place.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (83)
  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • What assets of the United States does Israel threaten to take?

      Israel HAS taken bomb grade fissile material, US intelligence (ie. Pollard), nuclear triggers, US intellectual property (see the hundreds of patent violations), and military technology.

  • Tony Blair's Middle East speech: dangerous and anti-Muslim (23)
    • Craig Murray's take on Blair's dangerous and stupid speech:
      link to craigmurray.org.uk

      "The greatest boost ever received by Islamic fundamentalism was the invasion of Iraq. Closely followed by extraordinary rendition, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and drones, and Israeli bombings of Gaza. All of those things lead some Muslims to believe a violent response by terrorism is required to defend themselves. So for Tony Blair, who has promoted huge hatred and caused unnumbered deaths through a career of deceit and self-enrichment, to warn about the dangers of Islamic terrorism is something nobody but a few Guardian and Murdoch acolytes wish to hear."

      He also reminds of some of the colonial pressures fomenting radicalism - in China, Russia, Africa.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • That’s what needs to be proven.

      It has already been proven. Just ask David Patreaus.

      For a fifth column it isn’t supposed to be a matter of public debate but rather quite clear cut.

      It is clear cut, but you insist it's a matter of public debate .

      So for examples Americans who believe in stronger trade and cultural relations with Europe aren’t a fifth column even though some disagree.

      How does stronger trade and cultural relations with Europe damage US interests?

    • Your problem is that you think Israel should be an enemy and thus want to treat it as one.

      Your problem is that you think Israel is a friend because it has Congress by the cohones and AIPAC buys them off.

      It's much like the terror cult the MEK. They were listed as a terror organization for decades, but because they became useful against Iran and had huge funds to bribe politicians to lobby for them, they were de listed.

      That doesn't stop them being a terrorist group.

    • The USA Jewish community wasn’t involved in those activities generally and didn’t approve of them.

      You're conflating Jewish community with pro Israeli activists. The same activists who insist that Jews are not Jews unless they condone the activities.

      It is that community that the fifth column charge is being leveled at not Israel.

      American citizens acting on Israel's behalf. So yes, they are part of a USA fifth column because they are indeed American, or at the very least, dual citizens.

  • Tony Blair's Middle East speech: dangerous and anti-Muslim (23)
    • Mrs B and the kids are RC. And there's young Leo's surprise arrival. He sort of let it be known his wish to join the RC's was long time. Which rather cynically he did very soon after leaving public office - Anglicanism was 'better' for his career.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • The criteria isn’t security risks but rather full on enmity.

      Who's criteria are you referring to? Your own?

    • Jews in the USA because the USA and Israel are allies are advancing the interests of the United States.

      Meir Dagan has already debunked this myth, admitting that Israel is a liability.

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • Stephen Shenfield says:

      April 24, 2014 at 7:39 pm

      The Israeli government can see that they now face a real threat of peace. It is natural that they should try to avert the threat>>>>>>

      yep .....the threat of peace and losing an ever present enemy and justification for stealing their land is the true threat to Israel.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • The Saudi peace plan was rejected by the Jews as asking too much, that is against their interests.

      Wrong.

      It was rejected by Sharon, even though it gave Israel everything it has been asking for.

      And the business community in Israel supported it as have government leaders.

      You're also conflating what is good for the Jews vs giving Israel everything they want. An alcoholic wants the keys to the liquor cabinet, but it's not good for them to indulge those requests.

  • Tony Blair's Middle East speech: dangerous and anti-Muslim (23)
    • Note to editor;

      .... in Egypt today so he can to rehabilitate his reputation

      Should be;

      ... in Egypt today so he can to rehabilitate his reputation

      or

      ... in Egypt today so he is or will be able to rehabilitate his reputation

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (83)
    • lysias,

      If the ADL is really behind the hoax, I wonder how that can be squared with Israel not supporting U.S. policy on Russia/Ukraine?

      On the other hand, the militantly pro-Israel neoconservatives have been ringleading the propaganda campaign against Russia, right?

      Who benefits from the hoax?

  • BDS activists leaflet Ben & Jerry's shops on commercial ties to Israeli settlements (18)
    • Hey, speaking of BDS, are you all aware the University of Washington student group SUPER-UW filed a divestment resolution with the student senate about a week ago?

      They need support. Please sign the petition (scroll to bottom of page) and if you can, donate to their costs for getting the world out. link to superuw.org

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • Provided that this unity deal includes Hamas renouncing violence and extinguishing their paramilitary arm, abiding by past PLO/PA agreements, and recognizing the right of Israel to exist, this is a *major* step forward and one that the Netanyahu government should welcome and reciprocate by re-opening talks, freezing settlements, and discussing borders.

      Likud is as much a capitalist enterprise as it is anything else, and normalization of relations would be a boon for the Israelis as they could finally take advantage of potential economic partnerships with neighboring states assuming ensuing diplomatic regularization. Moreover, a two state peace would mean that Israel (which is growing more conservative) would remain fertile ground for Likud and its coalition partners.

      (Granted, as I've stated before in other posts, I'm not exactly enthralled with Likud, and would much rather a Labour-led Israeli government and the sort of Coalition that would enable that.)

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    • lysias,

      This story (the alleged role of the ADL in the Ukraine hoax) has been gaining major traction on Twitter. I am surprised that the ADL hasn't responded yet with a denial and a condemnation of Gordon Duff.

      No supporting documentation, to the best of my knowledge, has been produced to support the charge against the ADL. If this story about the hoax is itself a hoax, is it actionable?

      [Twitter; hoax ADL link to twitter.com ]

  • Jenin refugee camp hit by wave of Israeli raids and killings (11)
    • I may be wrong: Israeli press is reporting that the deal between the PLO and Hamas may allow Hamas to join the PLO.

  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
  • Tony Blair's Middle East speech: dangerous and anti-Muslim (23)
    • Reading Tony Blair with the assumption that he is sane and sincere may be dangerous to mental health. One of the gems of the speech: "At the root of the crisis lies a radicalised and politicised view of Islam, an ideology that distorts and warps Islam’s true message. "

      The Prophet (P.B.U.H.) would definitely agree, to paraphrase "there will be 72 sects of Muslim, one, with true faith, will go to Paradise and the rest to the Lake of Fire." So it is of utmost importance to determine what the "true message" is. Not merely because of mundane problems with a terrorist here or dangerous government there, which are transient problems after all, but the sad fate of the folks destined for the Lake of Fire is a more profound concern. By the way, I am seriously concerned about Blair himself: he was was Anglican, which seems the best possible faith and the he converted to Catholicism? On the positive note, he at least cares about a correct choice of a faith to follow, but what attracted him to Catholicism? Opposition to birth control, or to imperialism and wanton warfare? Or he is more comfortable with celibate male priests?

      But if we identified the central issue, distortion of the true message of Islam, why do we forget about it after one measly paragraph? Shouldn't we identify the true faith (but if it is not Catholicism, what is it?) and establish policies how to handle heresy etc.?

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (59)
    • First off your wildly distorting the history of ww2 and the holicaust. And secondly your being an entitled bigot calling the Palestinians delusional for refusing to give up their rights. The only difference between a thug and you is a thug at least as the courage to do his own dirty work

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • The EU quite sensibly welcomes a unity deal between Hamas and Fatah. The US, very predictably, attacks such a deal. Typical idiocy on the part of the US.

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    • @hophmi

      ""[[space reserved for hophmi to try and dissemble about the comments from Shmuel, Zofia, and others]]"

      "4. No personal attacks. We encourage spirited, passionate debate, but if you have to resort to vicious personal attack, you’re not advancing the discussion. Stay on the issues." (Unless you want to personally attack hophmi. In that case, this rule will be suspended.)"

      How does that equate to a personal attack?! Let alone "vicious"! It's merely an amusing razzberry, and perfectly apt.

  • BDS activists leaflet Ben & Jerry's shops on commercial ties to Israeli settlements (18)
    • Are they trying to boost the shares with rumors? Where exactly did the rumors about the PepsiCo takeover originate exactly?

      Shares fell 5% to $42.49 after Wednesday's 11% rise following a report by Israeli business news website Globes that the company is discussing the sale of a 10% stake to Starbucks.

      Starbucks declined comment on a potential $1 billion deal with SodaStream, which makes carbonated beverage machines that allow consumers to create their own sodas as a greener, cheaper alternative to bottled soft drinks.

      Israel-based SodaStream has popped before on takeover talk. In February, shares rose 6% on speculation that the firm was being courted by PepsiCo.

      brenda, ritzl, either I am, or you are confused.

      Our Politically incorrect faction over here (Anti-German camp, fervent supporters of Israel, pro-American imperialism) are quite angry with Starbucks really. They feel the firm does not show enough support of Israel and has a misguided pro-Palestinians position. In 2009 they apparently invited their readers to take action, offering them a contact link to Starbucks Germany to protest.

      And here is why: Starbucks Newsroom: Facts about the Middle East

  • Tony Blair's Middle East speech: dangerous and anti-Muslim (23)
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  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • I always get a kick (of a sort) out of the idea that anyone has "recognized" Israel as a state. Putting to one side that only states recognize other states, a question always arises: WHAT TERRITORY (IF ANY) is one recognizing/admitting/asserting as the territory of the state of Israel when one "recognizes" Israel?

      Perhaps none. In which case, what does "recognition" mean? No guarantee of abny particular admission of any particular territory as part of (or as all of) Israel.

      It's goofy. But it is also dangerous, because Isral could claim (and be widely believed) that the "recognition included recognition of the pre-1967 Israeli territory (leaving to the future the division of WB&G).

      A thoroughly bad idea. And since Israel has recently suggested trading territory (some of pre-67 Israel for some settlements in WB), it makes better sense to me for PLO to say (at most) "We recognize that a state of Israel exists today and is widely viewed as having a certain territory. It is also clear that Israel itself has never made such a claim and in fact -- by its settlement project -- rejects that idea. Therefore we explicitly do NOT recognize any territory (within the former Mandate of Palestine) as legitimately part of the state-territory of Israel, leaving all questions of the state-territory of Israel, as also of Palestine, to the future."

  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • to clarify my above comment, individuals are tried in the ICC, but only for crimes committed while acting on behalf of a state.

      Not at all. One of the elements of some of the offenses is that they are committed as part of a systematic or widespread campaign. Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions only apply to international armed conflicts, but even the Israel High Court of Justice has determined that the armed conflict with the Palestinians constitutes one.

      There is no bar to prosecuting the leaders or members of private organizations or militias. The only crime that requires a determination regarding statehood as an intermediate step, is the crime of aggression, which is part of the Rome Statute that hasn't entered into effect yet. But the General Assembly, which codified the customary definition has adopted resolutions which hold that Israel's continued occupation of Arab territories in violation of the UN Charter and resolutions constitutes aggression.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • For what it's worth, Labour MK Herzog appears to support the 02 plan, and if one were to squint, there isn't too much of a gap between the Kerry Framework, the 02 Plan, and the Olmert/Barak offers.

      Were the current rightwing coalition to be unseated, I think a peace deal may actually be tenable, particularly if Hamas and Fatah can make their union work while abiding the existing PLO framework. I think that a lasting, durable 2 state peace would certainly be in everyone's interests, no?

  • BDS activists leaflet Ben & Jerry's shops on commercial ties to Israeli settlements (18)
    • Arrogance Mr. Glatter ?
      Sounds like you've got a nice facebook page, connecting with your friends and likers.
      And tough luck for the torture and murder and dispossession of the . . . who was it again ? I forget, who cares, anyway, another cone, another laugh -
      Mondodreck, sounds like fun !

  • Tony Blair's Middle East speech: dangerous and anti-Muslim (23)
  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • The reconciliation of Hamas and Fatah into a united Palestinian entity encompassing Gaza is a critical defeat for Netanyahu and Likud. I think it came as total surprise to them, hence the shock and outrage.

      The problem for the Greater Israel crowd has always been what to do with all those pesky Arabs. Netanyahu had hoped that the Gaza-West Bank separation would become permanent and Gaza could be viewed as a separate entity or even country that houses over 1.7 million unwanted Palestinian Arabs. This would allow annexation of all or most of the prized West Bank without creating the huge demographic problem (too many pesky Arabs) for Greater Israel. A Greater Israel without Gaza would have about 3.5 million Palestinians or about 38 percent. Adding Gaza kicks the percentage up to 47 percent (5.2 million). Adding the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan (another 3.5 million) raises the percentage of Palestinians to about 60 percent, or a total of 8.7 million.

      Greater Israel cannot have many pesky Arabs. Eliminating Gaza and the refugee populations of Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan is critical to the success of the Greater Israel project.

      A unified front encompassing Fatah and Hamas is a brilliant accomplishment, particularly if there are elections and a new unified government. It will make the Palestinian claim for a state of their own far more credible and powerful, particularly if they insist that the 3.5 million Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan be included in any solution.

      In my view, this is potentially huge.

    • Liar! Provocateur! Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia!

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
    • "The reason most Jews support Israel is because they recognize that ‘anti-Zionism’ is a thin veil for anti-Jewish. "

      It's total and complete tomfoolery to think that there isn't a significant overlap between anti-Zionists and anti-Semites. Moreover, even well-meaning observers who are anti-Zionist on principle (and I suppose are anti-Australian, etc.?) often trade in anti-Semitic language and tropes even without intending it as such. This is to say nothing of the immediate replies to your comment ("ziocaine"!? listing prominent Jews? Would anybody do this to prominent members of the LGBT community and be called anything other than homophobic?) which demonstrate something much darker.

      That having been said, it's legitimate to discuss the existence of a pro-Israel/Likudnik lobby, though it is the beyond reason to expand and extend it to any group which isn't explicitly anti-Zionist. It's legitimate to discuss Sheldon Adelson's influence. It's certainly legitimate to advocate for the rights of Palestinians living under Occupation.

      However, it simply is not legitimate to question the very existence of a lawful United Nations member state any more than it is legitimate to question any other. The question of the necessity of political Zionism, if there ever had to be one, was settled in the last century and some Americans are very lucky to have the ability to question that (ask a French Jew, a Hungarian Jew, or a Ukrainian Jew how they feel right now.) There is a Jewish nation-state, and acceptance of that fact is the first step towards a normal and rational discourse over how to end the morally and pragmatically problematic ongoing, illegal occupation of a neighbor.

      Israel's sovereignty within its 1967 borders has been recognized by the PLO, Fatah, and now, seemingly, by Hamas. The 2002 Arab League Initiative is clear and convincing evidence of the Jewish state's existence. The question isn't and shouldn't be the ongoing existence of a Jewish state, but rather the birth of a neighboring Palestinian one - a moment that has drawn much closer with the unification agreement between Fatah and Hamas and the news that Hamas has agreed to renounce violence and recognize Israel.

  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • only states can be sued in the ICC. Palestine is, unfortunately, not truly a state. Even though the UN recognizes it as one, given that there is really no functioning government/territorial control or defined territory, I don’t see how it could possibly be held responsible as a state.

      No, the ICC's jurisdiction is limited to natural persons. So only people, not states, can be investigated and prosecuted. Statehood only comes into play as a precondition to the exercise of jurisdiction. Only the UN Security Council, member states, or third party states - that have accepted the Court's jurisdiction - can refer a situation to the ICC Prosecutor.

      There isn't the slightest legal problem for an occupied state to bring charges against the responsible officials or enemy citizens of an occupying power. The Palestinian territories are defined by armistice agreements concluded between Jordan and Israel at a time when Arab Palestine was part of a political union with Transjordan. The peace treaty between Jordan and Israel was without prejudice to the status of any territory captured by Israel in 1967.

      The Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations says:

      Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.

      The armistice lines were approved by a written agreement between the parties and were formally adopted under the terms of two UN Security Council Chapter 7 resolutions (62 and 73).

  • Jenin refugee camp hit by wave of Israeli raids and killings (11)
  • Khalidi: It's time for Palestinians 'to get off their knees' and turn to Europe and ICC (34)
    • Seeing as how Israel has been killing 100 Palestinians for every Israeli killed over the pat 8 years, I don't think they want to get into a lawsuit over the killings

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (85)
  • Israel stops US-led peace talks citing Palestinian unity (Updated) (56)
    • ''....Unless Secretary of State John Kerry and President Barack Obama can pull a last-minute rabbit out of their magic hat''''

      Please dont genocide any more innocent bunnies for Israel .....every rabbit the US has pulled out of its hat has been DOA--dead on arrival.

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  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (61)
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