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  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
    • Sisi would do anything to demonise the MB.

      Sisi would not be in power had Egyptians not been brainwashed into being against the MB. They got that way by being fed crap by the deep state media. A friend of mine who was there in the lead up to the 2013 coup said that taxi drivers and people on the street would repeat the craziest conspiracy theories about Morsi - how he'd sold or rented the pyramids to the Saudis, how Obama was secret member of teh MB.

      I mean seriously dude, how many countries would be so simple minded as to believe in Israeli sharks trained to attack Egyptian tourists?
      link to huffingtonpost.com

      But you seem to be arguing that the typical Egyptian’s sympathy for the Palestinians has changed because of the counter revolution.

      You seem to be unable to refute that. After all, citing what Haaretz journos experiences in Cairo when Mubarak fell is hardly a counter argument.

    • They are all a bunch of slimy bastards, one day the tumbrills will roll.

      That day cannot come soon enough. Seriously, Liebesn looks like the reasonable and honest one here, which goes to show how sleazy and vile the Arab leaders really are .

    • What on Earth is the USA going to use these weapons for “locally”? and do we even have a treaty or status of forces agreement that will allow us to access them when required?

      I have often wondered that too Hostage. When has the US ever pulled into an Israel port or landing strip to load up on bombs.

      Back in 2009, it was reported that the US sent a massive shipment of arms to Israel - 3,000 tons of ammunition. It was not for Cast Lead as Cast Lead had already begun , but no explanation was given other than the claim it was not for Israel.
      link to globalresearch.ca

  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left? (41)
    • What I find weird is the total ignorance (?!) of Frank Luntz, the Republican strategist, whose sample of what they should say, is: “The day will come when Israeli children and Palestinian children will grow up together, play together, and work together side-by-side not just because they have to but because they want to.”

      I mean Jewish Israelis would never in their life, ever, ever, ever! Racism and their fear of devaluation won't let them. "Grow up together?" Next they might even...sleep together! lol!

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
    • hmm.i was just in lebanon for a couple weeks. there are definitely peeps over there. and i believe nasrallah recently made a speech. plus, i think it’s out in the open now hezbollah was training hamas.

      Annie,

      I should have reiterated that I was referring to the Subni Arab states. Hezbollah has been the one exception. I don't really include Hezbollah on that insidious group, seeing as Hezbollah are persona non grata.

    • Shingo, you’re surely better than this.

      No I stand behind what I said. Go back and read what Walid described so eloquently. How else do you describe Egypt's complicity in this carnage?

      Look, for decades I have been making excuses for the Arab world and justifying their screw ups, their bad choices, their propensity to shoot themselves in the foot and stab each other in the back. They've been at it for centuries and it's only getting worse. Look back to the betrayal like the Faizsl-Weizmann agreement and look at the situation today. Nothing has changed.

      Until recently, I used to grimace every time I heard Palestinian supporters criticizing the
      Arab world for turning their backs on thePalestinians, even when the wonderful Walid made this observation, or someone like George Galloway.

      With the exception of Hezbollah and Iran, the Arab world is silent or supporting Israel's sadism. If they could put aside their greed, vanity, power struggles and petty disputes, the US and Israel would be powerless against a united Arab world.

      Recently here is Australia, we've been privy to a perfect example of the cynical exploitation of this conflict by the Arab states. When the government recently proposed that Australia would begin referring to East Jerusalem as "disputed" rather than occupied, 18 Arab States got in their soap box and threatened to boycott Australian exports.

      It was a storm in a teacup and nothing more than an exercise in pushing their weight around without any risk. Australia is a lightweight. No one cares what Australia has to say on the matter, nor do they have anything to fear from confrontation.

      Fast forward to the far more severe outrage in Gaza and not one of those 18 states have lifted a finger.

      If anything, my descriptions of the Arab are lenient.

    • Annie, Shingo is talking about the Sunnis in particular; Hizbullah and Iran are both Shia and they back Hamas in spite of it being fundamentalist Sunni because both put the welfare of Palestinians ahead of their own sectarian welfare. As to the remaining Gulf states, Egypt and Jordan, they stand behind Saudia in whatever it decides and in the case of Hamas, it is firmly against it because it's against anything that has to do with the Muslim Brotherhood that it has outlawed and from which Hamas is issued.

      From a Jeffrey Goldberg interview last November in Bloomberg to a question if the Sunni loathed Iran more than they loathed Israel, Saudi Prince al-Waleed answered:

      "Look, Iran is a huge threat, historically speaking," he said. "The Persian empire was always against the Muslim Arab empire, especially against the Sunnis. The threat is from Persia, not from Israel. This was a great empire ruling the whole neighborhood. I’ll tell you something -- they are in Bahrain, they are in Iraq, they are in Syria, they are with Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas, which is Sunni, in Gaza. They are intruding into these areas. King Abdullah of Jordan had a good statement on this -- he said that a Shiite crescent begins from Iran, through Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and goes down to Palestine, to Hamas.”

      link to bloomberg.com

  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left? (41)
    • On a second and third inspection, I think this is the same double
      attack, and the same video, but without the censorship.

  • Slaughter is not self-defense: The assault on Gaza and the corruption of language (54)
    • why did Britain and France go to war? and who did they turn their backs on at the end of the war? there is plenty of shame to go around what happen to the Palestinian people is equally shameful. do you agree?

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
  • Peter Beinart demolishes Gaza hasbara (51)
    • In 1948 I think there was a very powerful argument for a Jewish state--somewhere--in light of the Holocaust and many other periods throughout history of murderous anti-Semitism. That said, in principle the state should have been established either someplace where the people living there consented to it--probably there was no such place--or, much better, in parts of conquered Germany, where the consent of its people was entirely unnecessary.

      By this logic, after 65 years of discrimination, ethnic cleansing, occupation and murder, the consent of Israelis should not be neccesary in order to establish a Palestinian state on land that is now Israel?

      Then there's a whole lot of work to be done to establish a Romany state, a homosexual state, a Rohingya state, a Transgender state, a Female state and a shitload more states for a large number of groups who've faced constant prejudice and oppression too.

  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left? (41)
  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in) (49)
    • About Chebaa Farms that the Zionists enjoy calling Har Dov after one of their terrorist heroes, the UN's designation that this is Syrian territory being part of the occupied Golan Heights is based on faulty maps produced at one time by the Lebanese army. Original maps dating back to Sykes-Picot clearly show that these 10 square miles or so are part of the Lebanese territory and the UN is standing behind its request to have Syria renounce its ownership and prove it does not own the area, which is an utterly absurd request. It's located at the foot of Jabal al-Sheikh that the Zionists enjoy calling Mount Hermon and its covered with wall-to-wall water which is the real reason why Israel will not let go of it.

      Another area that is still occupied by Israel that Jon66 doesn't know about are the Kfarshouba Heights. It's a tiny piece of land on a very high cliff just above the village of Kfarshouba in Lebanon. Its value is in the strategic clear 25km view into Lebanon on one side and a similar one to the Israeli side. It's only use is as a look-out but Lebanese territory nonetheless that Israel refuses to give back.

      The third area that Jon 66 doesn't know about is half the village of Ghajjar, which is in Lebanese territory while the other half is in the Syrian Golan that is in the occupied Golan Heights. UNSC Res 1701 in 2006 ordered Israel to give back the Lebanese half but Israel keeps stalling and the UN is not about to send in the 7th cavalry to enforce its laws so nothing is happening there and Israel continues squatting on it and stealing water from the Wazzani Springs located there.

  • Peter Beinart demolishes Gaza hasbara (51)
    • Mooser and Ellen,

      zionism has failed similar to other nationlistic endeavours

      zionism could have survived if they show 1 oz of compassion, they didn't and now I won't.

  • 'Is the Zionist dream based on the repeated slaughter of civilians?' (29)
  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in) (49)
    • "the country’s civilians are targeted and struck by Hamas rockets"

      Do they pay you extra to put the "targeted" in there? Oooh, "targeted and struck by Hamas rockets"

      Maybe they are just trying to keep Israel back inside its own borders?

    • "In any case, international consensus is that Israel currently does not occupy Lebanese territory."

      Whoopee!! Patsh zich in tuchis und schrei "hooray"

      Wasn't that nice of them. I hope they counted the spoons after the IDF pulled out.

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
    • Does that “stockpile” include the nukes that Israel refuses to declare?

      Or the switches that Netanyahu ‘stole’?

      No, but the USAF has started transporting our nukes around from place to place by accident more often than it does on purpose (and it had always had more than its fair share of accidents and close calls in the past). So it would not come as a complete surprise, if a few nukes ever went missing, that they might end-up there.

    • Thanks-- CNN showcases at least one US citizen a day running to join up ...today it was Eitan Goldstein.

  • Gazafying Dissent (17)
    • " the french authorities are no dupes regarding this fascistic militia."

      Laurent, it's not a question of them being dupes. The JDL and similar groupuscules have a history of cooperation and collusion with the French Interior Ministry, the last time being at the Paris synagogue incident of 2 or 3 Sundays back after the Gaza demo when police were filmed telling the JDL thugs to stand behind police lines and only stepped-in when the thugs were about to get a beating from the pro-Gaza group. It was the synagogue's rabbi that first alerted the police about the presence of the JDL thugs outside his synagogue and asked that they be removed because he knew they represented trouble. It was after this incident that the JDL and Crif said they petition the French government to ban future pro-Palestinian rallies and they succeeded.

      Those multiple rallies held that you mentioned were tolerated by the police because they avoided going into potentially hostile neighbourhoods although they were still officially banned as the ban is still in effect but you are right that this article here erred in saying that protests were criminalized; they were not.

      Getting back to the cozy relationship between Jewish militant groups, it was only a few months back that it was reported the French Ministry of the Interior leased or allowed the use of one of its Paris buildings to the Jewish militants for training sessions in the Israeli martial arts of Krav Maga given by people from the IDF.

      On March 7, 1986, Le Monde quoted Françoise Castro, the wife of the then Jewish Prime Minister Laurent Fabius giving the good news:

      " Something extraordinarily new on the political horizon, the Left has allowed Jewish militias to get installed not only in neighbourhoods of Paris but also in Toulouse, Marseille and Strasbourg and to have regular contacts with the Ministry of the Interior."

      It's doubtful the French government would do anything drastic to disband the JDL.

  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left? (41)
  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in) (49)
  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
    • Israel just called up another 16,000 IDF reserves. 2ooo US Jewish American “one soldier” youth are now fighting those babies and kids in Gaza. Brits only have 100 doing this duty.

      Robert Fisk is on top of the situation: "It's not just radicalised Islamists – what about foreign fighters who flock to the IDF?" -- link to independent.co.uk

  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left? (41)
    • There are two videos at the website linked which allow you to compare the effect of a 'Hamas' rocket and an Israeli missile strike. There's very little comparison.

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
    • An excellent idea! Put everything on the table – maps, (international) legal documents, demands, et cetera – in a public and televised negotiation session or series of sessions between the Palestinians and “Jewish State”. Have as independent and unbiased as possible an arbitrator or panel of arbitrators chair the sessions(s) and keep discussions tightly focused and fully transparent.

      That's exactly what the UNSCOP and General Assembly Ad Hoc Political Committee on Palestine did when they produced the only internationally adjudicated settlement to date.

  • Gazafying Dissent (17)
  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left? (41)
  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
    • Very interesting articles seafroid, I can see that right now there is strong condemnation for Israel, but looking at the how things went before, when Israel consistently attacked the people of Gaza, and there were the usual criticism of it's violence, it eventually all died down, and the brutal occupier was able slip out of any responsibility and was never held accountable. I am doubtful it will be different this time.

      The UN MUST hold the occupier responsible for the situation it has caused in this overpopulated land, and must be held accountable for the excessive and deliberate violence against them. If the US does not exert pressure on them, then it is a lost cause.

  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left? (41)
    • What did THEY do to anyone? Massacred-- and prayers being cried by the survivors. The gentle care of the man trying to remove razor wire from the slaughtered man...

      Is this what so many Israelis celebrate from the rooftops?

    • Haven't got a less sanitized version of the video of the latest attacks on Shuja'iyya just shown on CNN, but here is one of one of the previous attacks:

      link to youtube.com

      فيديو جديد يوثق مجزرة الشجاعية +16 a new video for Massacre in Shujaiya

  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
  • 'Is the Zionist dream based on the repeated slaughter of civilians?' (29)
    • P.S. FROM MAX BLUMENTHAL'S "GOLIATH" - (PAGES 351-352)

      [EXCERPT] The men and women who set out to build a Jewish state in historic Palestine began with a dream of escaping from the crippling confines of European anti-Semitism into an imagined utopia in which Jews would be a normal people like the English or Germans and whose normality, even socialism, included aversion of nineteenth-century Western colonial-ism, an uplifting “mission civilisatrice,” as the French put it. Those who invented modern Zionism had little knowledge of, and no regard for, the actual people living in Palestine, then a province of the Ottoman Empire. And if they had any regard for them, it was expressed in typically colonialist terms. Zionism’s intellectual author, Theodor Herzl, a Viennese playwright and journalist, described the country “as a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an out- post of civilization as opposed to barbarism.” “All the means we need, we ourselves must create them, like Robinson Crusoe on his island,” the literary-minded Herzl told an interviewer in 1898. The Labor Zionist movement’s chief ideologue, Berl Katznelson, blunter than the dreamy Herzl, declared in 1929, “The Zionist enterprise is an enterprise of conquest.” More recently, and perhaps most crudely, former prime minister and Defense minister Ehud Barak described the goal of Zionism as maintaining “a villa in the jungle.”

      Those who dedicated themselves to the formation of the Jewish state may have formulated their national identity through an idealized vision of European enlightenment, but they also recognized that their lofty aims would not be realized without force. As Katznelson said, “It is not by chance that I speak of settlement in military terms.” Thus the Zionist socialists gradually embraced the ideas of radical right-wing ideologue Ze’ev Jabotinsky, who outlined an utterly unromantic strategy in his 1923 essay,“The Iron Wall,” for fulfilling their utopian ambitions.

      “Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population,”Jabotinsky wrote. “This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population—an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs.” According to Jabotinsky, residents of the Zionist yishuv (community) could not hope to enjoy a European standard of life in the heart of the Arab world without physically separating themselves from the natives. This would require tireless planning, immense sacrifice and no shortage of bloodshed. And all who comprised the Zionist movement, whether left, right, or center, would carry the plan to-wards fulfillment. As Jabotinsky wrote, “All of us, without exception, are constantly demanding that this power strictly fulfill its obligations. In this sense, there are no meaningful differences between our ‘militarists’ and our ‘vegetarians.’”

      One of the greatest misperceptions of Israeli politics has been that the right-wing politicians who claimed Jabotinsky’s writings as their lode-star were responsible for the most egregious violence against the Palestinians. While brimming with anti-Arab resentment and surging in influence, the Israeli right’s real legacy has consisted mostly of producing durable strategies and demagogic rhetoric. Until very recently, it was the Labor Zionists who bore the real responsibility for turning the right’s ideas into actionable policies. The dynamic was best illuminated by the way in which successive Labor Party governments implemented the precepts outlined in Jabotinsky’s “Iron Wall” under the cover of negotiations with the Palestinians.

      As early as 1992, the peace camp icon Yitzhak Rabin advocated the construction of a concrete wall to “take Gaza out of Tel Aviv,”closing off the Gaza Strip and West Bank to pave the way. But it was not until the violence of the Second Intifada accelerated that the process of what Rabin and Barak called “hard separation” became a plausible strategy. Suicide bombing confirmed to even liberal-minded Israelis the stereotype of the Arab native as inherently violent, incurable, and culturally retro-grade. By extension, the wave of terrorism ratified Jabotinsky’s original thesis. “Something like a cage has to be built for [the Palestinians],”the famed Israeli historian Benny Morris declared in a 2002 interview. “There is a wild animal that has to be locked up in one way or another.” . . .

      SOURCE - link to facebook.com

  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
    • It is all part of their master plan of ethnic cleansing, control of water, and land grabs. They are gradually driving these indigenous people away, that is why the UN predicts by 2020 these lands will be unlivable.

      The irony of it is, the UN/UK/US dumped these homeless unwanted europeans among these people, and like a cancer spreading have stolen lands beyond their borders, they have made the Palestinians refugees in other lands, and those who stay behind are made to go through brutality and violence on a regular basis, live in open concentration camps, blockaded, and made to suffer, and the occupier hopes they will merge into other Arab nations, thus losing their identity.

      At the end, if the UN who made one of the biggest mistakes in it's history does not solve this problem fairly, there is no hope at all that the Palestinians will survive.

  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left? (41)
    • A Message From Roger Waters:

      ONE RIVER

      When the wind scythes through the crop
      And good men fall
      And children
      Soft in mothers arms
      Cringe unbelieving
      From the desperados casual blade
      My Father, distant now
      But live and warm and strong
      In uniform tobacco haze
      Speaks out.

      My son, he says.
      Stay not the passion of your loss
      But rather keen and hone its edge
      That, You may never turn away
      Numb, brute, from bets too difficult to hedge.

      What price the child?
      Which?
      Yours or mine?
      This one at home?
      The baby bird,
      in whistling bowls of pasta worms.
      Or
      That one on TV

      Limp and bloodied on the Gazan shore
      To fail to feel that other fathers loss
      Denies connections forged in filial blood
      And handed banner bright from man to boy
      In pride of place, loin strong, bereft of pettiness and rancour.

      So
      Cup your tears, my father says
      Cup that salt badge of strife
      It flows from but one river
      It was on that my son
      I bet my life.

      So!
      We shall not stand by Silent and indifferent.
      We will not be still
      We will gather on street corners
      We will chain ourselves to railings
      We will throw ourselves in front of kings horses
      We will speak the truth
      We will not be cowed by the bully boys who pose and fiddle on the hill.

      Shoulder to shoulder, man, woman and child
      Arms linked, we will remember our dead
      And the words of our teachers,

      “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

      Will ring in our ears.

      We shall overcome
      We shall overcome
      We shall overcome one day
      Deep in my heart
      I do believe
      That we shall overcome one day.

  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
  • 'Is the Zionist dream based on the repeated slaughter of civilians?' (29)
    • They leafletted the people to leave their homes then they bombed the shelter- it is a terror campaign.pour encourager les autres.
      and the hasbara is focused on the tunnels. Because only Israelis matter.

    • Agree. This week I keep on thinking of Kastner. They never cared about people. Sharon in Beirut in 82. Same thing. How Dershowitz rationalises it. And you eventually lose the plot when those kind of people are your leaders. I doubt they have it within them to find a mandela. Certainly not as long as AIPAC breathes.

  • Gazafying Dissent (17)
  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
    • ;{

      Horrible war criminals.

    • "Scorched Earth": How Israel Converted 40% Of Gaza Into A Wasteland Of Rubble
      Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/31/2014 19:44 -0400

      Israel Reality Reuters

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      Moments ago, after weeks of relentless humiliation for John Kerry, Israel and Hamas agreed to yet another 72 hour ceasefire - one which if the previous "ceasefires" are any indication, will be broken within hours if not minutes. Regardless, Kerry, who cobbled this agreement after much "hard work" alongside the UN's Ban Ki-moon, was ecstatic: "We urge all parties to act with restraint until this humanitarian ceasefire begins, and to fully abide by their commitments during the ceasefire," Kerry and Ban said. "This ceasefire is critical to giving innocent civilians a much-needed reprieve from violence."

      What Kerry did not say is that the ceasefire is merely an extended occupation by the IDF: as Reuters reported, the ceasefire statement said "forces on the ground will remain in place" during the truce, implying that Israeli ground forces will not withdraw. Which also assures that it is only a matter of time before yet another stray rocket is launched into Israeli fields, before the IDF retaliates by blowing up another school or hospital allegedly housing Hamas rockets, and so on.

      However, while this too ceasefire will come and go, something far more insidious is taking place in Gaza : as the Daily Beast reports, "The Israeli military, relentlessly and methodically, is driving people out of the 3-kilometer (1.8 mile) buffer zone it says it needs to protect against Hamas rockets and tunnels. According to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, the buffer zone eats up about 44 percent of Gaza’s territory."

      To be sure, Israel has been quite clear about its intentions and has given Gazans plenty of advance notice:

      It’s not like Israel didn’t plan this. It told tens of thousands of Palestinians to flee so its air force, artillery and tanks could create this uninhabitable no-man’s land of half-standing, burned-out buildings, broken concrete and twisted metal. During a brief humanitarian ceasefire some Gazans were able to come back to get their first glimpse of the destruction this war has brought to their communities, and to sift through their demolished homes to gather clothes or other scattered bits of their past lives. But many were not even able to do that.
      They will have a chance to do so again for the next three days, or whenever the ceasefire is broken again which will come first.

      In the meantime, constant shelling and bombing have converted nearly half of Gaza into a inhospitable wasteland:

      What that means on the ground is scenes of extraordinary devastation in places like the Al Shajaya district approaching Gaza’s eastern frontier, and Beit Hanoun in the north. These were crowded neighborhoods less than three weeks ago. Now they have been literally depopulated, the residents joining more than 160,000 internally displaced people in refuges and makeshift shelters. Apartment blocks are fields of rubble, and as I move through this hostile landscape the phrase that keeps ringing in my head is “scorched earth.”
      The author of the original article reflects on a world that may as well have emerged from a TS Eliot poem:

      In Beit Hanoun the systematic destruction mirrors Al Shajaya. I walk past old men and teenagers trying to lift cinderblocks and slabs of stucco with their bare hands, sometimes in search of a mattress and other times in search of a relative.

      The desert of demolition only becomes more vast as I get closer to the Israeli border. Individually razed homes and stores give way to gray and white plains of obliterated walls with hills of contorted iron bars and broken-up slabs. Here the bodies are hidden under the new landscape and it will take more than a brief pause in fighting to unearth the gruesome extent of the town’s suffering.

      “Scorched earth,” historically, means destroying land to deprive the encroaching enemy of its use. Israelis shy away from using the phrase to describe what they are doing because, in Israel, it brings to mind the strategy of the Nazi retreat from Russia at the end of the Second World War.
      For Israel, there is a perverse strategy in leveling everything in their path: the practice of systematically flattening neighborhoods is focused on saving the lives of Israeli soldiers, who might otherwise be more exposed to hit-and-run attacks. "Israel is more sensitive than any other country in the West to the death of its soldiers," says Hebrew University political scientist Yaron Ezrahi "The death of [Palestinian] civilians is a moral crisis but is without political impact."

      Precisely. And yet the ordinary [Palestinian] civilians, those who have never fired a gun in their lives, lives which sadly have zero "political impact" this is a tragedy beyond words:

      When Rania Haels got within 60 feet of the debris that was once her family home in Al Shajaya on Saturday, a machine-gun on top of a nearby Israeli Merkava tank started firing. Probably these were warning shots pumped in her direction, but the 42-year-old mother of seven ran for her life. Now she stays with her family in an overcrowded parking garage in Gaza City and spends her days sitting in a public park full of refugees displaced by the Israeli push.

      “We lost our homes and so now we live in the streets,” said Haels, holding a toddler in her arms who clings to her pastel-patterned hejab. “This war has destroyed me.” She says at least she knew where her home was. Some of her neighbors could not find their homes as they walked down streets made unrecognizable by the wreckage and horrifying by the presence of death.

      Rashid al Delo and his 11 children were, like Haels, blocked by Israeli machine-gun fire when they tried to return to their home near the bombed-out Wafa Hospital in Al Shajaya. But despite the dire reality, al Delo, who used to work in Israel but has been unemployed these last 15 years, is determined to salvage his life.
      At least they are not dead. However, with every passing day the probability of their survival declines. What is most tragic, however, is that regardless of who is to blame for the ongoing war which is merely the culmination of a middle-east conflict that has continued for thousands of years and whose origins are lost in the sands of time, the international community, so vocal when it comes to the pretense of humanitarian intervention in any other part of the world, is so remarkably incapable to do anything for the ordinary Palestinians who face not only the obliteration of their homes but systematic eradication. All the while the world screams but does nothing.

      Why? So that a few rich men can promote their military interests and get even richer: a reason as old as the world itself.

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  • 'Is the Zionist dream based on the repeated slaughter of civilians?' (29)
    • RE: "Is the Zionist dream based on the repeated slaughter of civilians?"

      MY COMMENT: I think it can be argued that establishing and maintaining the "iron wall" of Ze'ev Jabotinsky's Revisionist Zionism might very well be accompanied (but is not necessarily) by the "repeated slaughter of civilians", especially civilians claiming the same land as the Zionists and not having the protection of the type of formal army associated with a nation-state.

      FROM WIKIPEDIA [Iron Wall (essay)]:

      [EXCERPT] . . . [Ze'ev] Jabotinsky argued that the Palestinians would not agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine, and that "Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the
      native population cannot breach."[1] The only solution to achieve peace and a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, he [Ze'ev Jabotinsky] argued, would be for Jews to unilaterally decide its borders and defend them with the strongest security possible. . .

      SOURCE - link to en.wikipedia.org

      ENTIRE 'IRON WALL' ESSAY: "The Iron Wall (We and the Arabs)", By Vladimir Jabotinsky, 1923 - link to marxists.de

      P.S. ALSO SEE: "The Ethics of the Iron Wall", By Vladimir Jabotinsky, 1923 - link to jabotinsky.org

  • Gazafying Dissent (17)
  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left? (41)
    • If that is Bibi's brain, then no wonder Bibi is looking very bad today, with so many war crimes against him, he has ordered the killing of 1500 civilians injuring thousands, and Dermer has been shown to be a liar and on CNN. A very lame ambassador who advises a war monger whose brains are only full of war, nothing else. Make that illegal settlements too.

    • boycott "mobileye"! the technology looks interesting, but no way!

      (Israeli tech IPO being offered tomorrow on NYSE-- acc. to CNN report, Israel's economy is just fine.)

  • Slaughter is not self-defense: The assault on Gaza and the corruption of language (54)
    • "Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians. They always have."

      I am not sure about "always", but Irgun, precursor of the currently ruling Israeli parties (Likud and 3 Likud offshoots) definitely favored attacking marketplaces.
      link to en.wikipedia.org
      It is really not about achieving any goals, "degrading capabilities" or whatever. That would be a patina of rationality put on exuberant self-expression.
      link to youtube.com
      "I am a homicidal maniac, and I am OK, a sleep all night, and I kill all day."

  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in) (49)
  • Slaughter is not self-defense: The assault on Gaza and the corruption of language (54)
    • One obvious alternative is to agree to ceasefire terms proposed by Hamas, namely lifting the blockade of Gaza. Details can be worked out, like Dutch could inspect cargoes in Gazan port which would be similar to what they proposed before.

      Much less obvious alternative is to conduct the warfare with less atrocities. Not obvious because it is far from clear that IDF would be capable of that. Concerning West Bank, "because rockets are not coming from there", the number of killed is in low double digits. This is peace loving Israel: if you do nothing wrong, they kill only a few. You could check that this was the case during the "tranquil period" with Gaza, IDF regularly killed or shot people, and killing 6 Hamasniks started the current massacre. Were Hamasniks decent folks, like Americans, they would not begrudge such minute number.

      Now the Zionist talk is that Hamas is making them kill children. This is what passes for sophisticated Hasbara. And faithful sheep in the herd duly accepts: yes, EVERYBODY would send tank shells at schools full of refugees! If we (USA) killed 6 Canadians and they would retaliate with rockets falling on empty fields, there would be no preschool up North that would not be flattened. Sure! And Canadian Prime Minister would be helping us, because he is a very decent guy.

  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in) (49)
    • I'm not sure if you are aware, or willfully ignorant, of the UN Secretary General's finding that Israel has withdrawn from all Lebanese territory and the endorsement of the Security Council of this finding. If Lebanon disputes this, they should open negotiations for a peace treaty for the possible return.

      In any case, international consensus is that Israel currently does not occupy Lebanese territory.

      link to un.org

  • Gazafying Dissent (17)
  • Peter Beinart demolishes Gaza hasbara (51)
    • Thank you, Jerome.

      I have to say that from where I have been watching all of my life, that Israel is a criminal state. Its' descent has been methodical and willful.

  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
    • "One thing is clear in Gaza’s history: Israel, the US and Egypt cannot be trusted to be honest brokers in service of these heroic people"

      Very true, Abierno.

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
    • Shingo, if you ever need a barrel-bottom scraped, you know who to ask. "Mayhem" has been a consistent barrel-bottom scraper since he's been here.

  • Gazafying Dissent (17)
    • "They have resorted instead to the outright criminalization of all dissent."

      The author has left out the police brutality in recent nonviolent protests in Haifa and Nazareth, where the brutality against protesters (by police and fascist civilians) was not ever seen before inside israel at these levels.

  • Will 'Protective Edge' galvanize the US mainstream, as 'Cast Lead' galvanized the left? (41)
  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
    • The siege needs to be lifted now! It is pure fantasy to think that the country who put an entire population including children on a "diet" causing chronic malnutrition, are going to do anything. Particularly now that Israel is complaining bitterly about the financial cost of their military operations. The UN needs to realize that Israel's current government has so incited the Jewish population that the majority of them feel all Gaza is Hamas and all Gaza deserves to die. They also need to realize that Gazans have spoken clearly with their death and wounded count, that they would rather be dead than under Israeli occupation, which appears to guarantee a "Cast Lead/ Mighty Cliff" every 24 months. Both Iran and Qatar have offered extensive and deep resources for these beleaguered people: Netanyahu has called for international supervision of Gaza borders - why not take him at his word, place an international protectorate over Gaza and then let these two countries, joining with the many other countries who have volunteered to immediately bring in medics, supplies and temporary equipment and housing. A make shift airport could be constructed in a matter of days; there is a harbor and beaches for amphibious craft. Supplies, personnel and support need to be airlifted (remember Berlin?) and shipped in, owing to the continuing instransigent behavior of both Israel and Egypt. One thing is clear in Gaza's history: Israel, the US and Egypt cannot be trusted to be honest brokers in service of these heroic people, particularly the children. All security issues can be addressed through the international military forces stationed in Gaza. Ultimately, Gaza will need to become a UN protectorate as in East Timor.

  • The threat of sanctions worked against Israel in 1956 -- and it can work again (42)
    • "The more sinister question: did Herr Hitler foresee all of this?"

      You lost your head for a second there out of outrage (and not ill-considered outrage)
      and let your fingers do the talking.. It's easy to do, under the circumstances, and I'm the verge of doing it myself, all the time, these days.

      But if you are looking for somebody who did forsee it, and said so pretty directly, try Henry Morgenthau

  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
    • CNN preview for Erin Burnett show: Is the UN taking sides .....? Ambassador Ron Prosor......

      ought to be a hoot.

      You just have to growl/snort/roll your eyes in disbelief.

      (Israeli troops will remain in place is what Israel is going to do during this "ceasefire"...holy hell)

  • Peter Beinart demolishes Gaza hasbara (51)
    • In light of David Samel's kind comment, I would like to clarify my position, re liberal Zionism. First, it's important--at least to me--to separate out the arguments for a Jewish state at the time it was created and whether it should continue to be a Jewish state today. In 1948 I think there was a very powerful argument for a Jewish state--somewhere--in light of the Holocaust and many other periods throughout history of murderous anti-Semitism. That said, in principle the state should have been established either someplace where the people living there consented to it--probably there was no such place--or, much better, in parts of conquered Germany, where the consent of its people was entirely unnecessary.

      By 1948, tragically, all non-Palestinian options for a Jewish state were dead.
      So then the question became whether the state could have been established in a way that did minimal injustice to the Palestinian people. If the Nakba had been the only way Israel could have been created, then it shouldn't have been created. The complexity is that there might well have been other non-coercive methods. (I've discussed them elsewhere--see, for example, Jonathan Freedland's brief discussion of my ideas in his article on liberal Zionism in the current NY Review. )

      What about now? Is there still a justification for a Jewish state? In the abstract, and with a number of qualifications, there might be--given history, the need for a refuge for persecuted or endangered Jews cannot be ruled out, especially if other countries are not willing to accept large numbers.

      That's in the abstract. The problem is the kind of state Israel has become: I won't mince words, it is becoming, or already is, a criminal state--and with the strong support of most of its Jewish population. That surely undermines the case for Zionism today.

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
  • 'Is the Zionist dream based on the repeated slaughter of civilians?' (29)
  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
    • as reported in The Australian newspaper’s premium content:

      Talk about scraping the barrel. Mayhem cited a Murdich tabloid with a grossly inflammatory headline that is not supported by the actual report.

      Stephanovic said a missile was lunched 200 m away film his hotel. That's hardly evidence of shooting from neighborhoods.

      But what the article claims is evidence if target ring journalists is no thing more than angry tweets that pake into comparison with the bile Israeli supporters are sending him.

  • The JDL gains influence in Canada as Jewish community moves to the right (5)
  • 'Israel today, Israel tomorrow, Israel forever,' Rep. Hakeem Jeffries says at NY rally (45)
    • "I am working on a list…gonna take a while..so many so little time."

      I've got some suggestions:
      1) That Nissan Prius nuisance, which is just now rather rife.
      2) The piano-organist — Put him on the list!
      3) The lady from the provinces, who dresses like a guy.
      4) All persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like that
      5)
      6) ...and etc.

      The task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you.
      But not one will be missed. They'll none of 'em be missed!

  • Peter Beinart demolishes Gaza hasbara (51)
  • Gazafying Dissent (17)
    • You've overlooked two countries in Africa that I know of that have murdered people for protesting in solidarity with Palestine: Egypt and Nigeria. Which seems like a huge oversight, considering the United States' support for these governments.

      According to the FB page Shimaa from Tahrir Square:

      "After Eid prayers Egyptians across the country marched in solidarity with Gaza making a statement against the complicity of the US funded Zionist Egyptian regime.

      I didn't see anything firsthand because I reside in a predominately military supportive neighborhood in Cairo. Protests are no longer allowed in this part of Cairo since last summer and showing any signs of solidarity to Palestine or against the coup is suicide.

      Nonetheless, Egyptians from all over who don't live in any better environments defied all that and marched for Gaza. The US funded junta security forces opened fire on them, 5 protesters were killed and many were injured.

      As much as everyone is angry at Egypt, nobody wants to recognize the existence of these people. I will collect pictures and posts from Egypt in this post that I kindly ask you to share so that anti-coup pro-Palestine Egyptians are seen and heard like everyone else in the world. #Gaza #Palestine #Egypt #AntiCoup"
      The link - with several comments and pictures of martyrs and protests - is: link to facebook.com

      - On Friday, July 25, Nigerian military forces murdered thirty-three protesters in a pro-Palestine demonstration, which was held on Al Quds Day. Among those killed was 18-year-old Syed Mahmud Ibrahim Zakzaky, a son of Sheikh Ibrahim al-Zakzaky, the leader of the Islamic Movement in Nigeria, which had called for the rally. He is a critic of political corruption and Boko Haram.

      While the world was in an uproar about the kidnapping of hundreds of women by Boko Haram, there's been very little concern about the murder of Muslims who criticize them.

      In London, there was a demonstration held in solidarity with those murdered by the Nigerian military. Video: link to youtube.com

      More on the Nigerian military's massacre of protesters: link to presstv.ir

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
    • There has not been a peep from the Arab world, let alone evidence of any foreign fighters wanting to join the fray.

      hmm.i was just in lebanon for a couple weeks. there are definitely peeps over there. and i believe nasrallah recently made a speech. plus, i think it's out in the open now hezbollah was training hamas. that's what the analysts are saying on tv there. and did you see the protests in yemen i posted yesterday on the worldwide photo post? there's one for egypt too.

      plus we've got photos from tunisia which reminds me to add at least one from their big protest last friday.

      link to gettyimages.co.uk

      and there have been protests in pakistan and turkey (albeit not 'the arab world')

      i dare say iraq is not really in a position to do much right now, nor syria.

      but iran (albeit not the arab world)just have a big rally for palestine and even rouhani joined the protest.

      i think there's a lot of talk in the region of it turning into a large regional war if/when this escalates. there's probably some planning in that direction but it's too early.

      i think nasrallah said something to the effect that hamas was the only militant foothold in palestine and there for it could not fall. i can check for you. but he made a speech recently, i watched it.

      How so Taxi? All the Sunni Arabs are lining up to congratulate and thank Israel

      hmm, not all of them. are you talking about the dictators or the arab street?

      i see lots of arabs at these protests. why would you think none of them are sunni?:

      link to mondoweiss.net

      there was just a huge protest in afghanistan for palestine (where between 80 and 85 percent of muslims are sunni ) even nbc news wrote about it.

  • 'Israel today, Israel tomorrow, Israel forever,' Rep. Hakeem Jeffries says at NY rally (45)
    • "But do they think that about themselves?"

      Very often (you can see this in action here, sometimes) telling me the truth about me doesn't leave people a lot of time to talk about themselves. So I don't know.

  • Gazafying Dissent (17)
    • This is perhaps the most important post among many important posts.

      Zionism has become a wedge issue, leading the fight to legitimize extreme right wing racism. What were once "mainstream" parties are buying into it: it is simpler to abdicate morality than to struggle against the Israeli public relations juggernaut.

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
    • israel doesn’t slaughter people for the purpose of hurting itself in the media.

      Patrick Cockburn explains the PR used by Israel when they attack such sensitive civilian targets.

      Frank Luntz came up with the strategy. It is referred to as “first you say no story, then you say old story”. In other words, deny everything in the teeth of the evidence on day one and, by the time definitive proof of the massacre comes through, nobody notices when you have to admit responsibility.

      The problem in this case, as Cockburn explains, is that it's a strategy that only works in short conflicts where the news cycle moves onto other topics. That's why it's failing miserably today.

  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
    • it is possible that israel will have to offer displaced civilians from gaza, cities of refuge in israel and the west bank,while gaza,s fate is decided.under those conditions gaza never to be militarized or to be used as a base to attack israel.

    • I suggested in a comment earlier today that Israel may be trying to force the Gaza Palestinians to emigrate by making their land unlivable. I asked this question, "Will Gaza be able to sustain a human population after Israel is finished with it?"
      Later today on M-W we get one answer from Pierre Krahenbuhl of UNRWA, ". . . Krahenbuhl continued, warning the Security Council that Gaza “will become unlivable in a mater of years unless urgent steps are taken.” Israel can, of course, make it livable after the Palestinians have left.
      I concluded with the question of whether this is a practice session for what is in store for the West Bank.

  • Peter Beinart demolishes Gaza hasbara (51)
    • >> Donald: Israelis are always asking us to imagine how we'd react to having rockets fired at us. Fine--it's not that hard, but one has to establish a context for it.

      Zio-supremacists are the guys who ask "How would you like it if women kept attacking you and punching you and trying to hurt you? How would you react?!" without mentioning that the women in question are the physically- and sexually-assaulted victims the rapist has had chained in his bunker for months.

  • 'Children killed in their sleep': Israeli artillery fire hits UN school, killing at least 20 (181)
    • Israel’s savagery and terrorism is destabilizing the world as we know it.

      How so Taxi? All the Sunni Arabs are lining up to congratulate and thank Israel, especially Egypt. Never in the history of the conflict have we witnessed such a unanimous betrayal by the Arabs of Palestinians.

      There has not been a peep from the Arab world, let alone evidence of any foreign fighters wanting to join the fray. They're to busy trying to eradicate Shiites and Sunni's who don't share their specific interpretation of the Koran.

      So what may I ask, is being destabilized?

  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in) (49)
  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
  • 68 Palestinian families have had 3 or more members killed (2)
    • We can only hope that deaths such as we are seeing and reading about, will cease with some kind of agreement by both sides. The Palestinian factions must get their act together, show a united front, and push for their rights and freedom. This cannot go on, and these poor civilians cannot keep going through this hell anymore. Israel must stop the greed for lands and resources, and again, it is up to the US to stop this.
      Israel seem to disregard the UN and any other entity by breaking international laws.
      BDS is the only way to stop the violence.

  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in) (49)
    • Giles and Robert B

      It's parody on TuyZentfloot's part. If you ever have any doubt about "satire or insanity" you can always click on the name of the individual commenter here and that will lead you to a listing of all their comments made on the site, and thus give you a good idea of their actual viewpoint.

  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
    • I don't know how they have endured so far. They are so amazing, brave, and dignified. Goodness knows, they have honor and justice on their side.

      (In my dreams, I imagine that the US Congress goes on vacation, gets busy raising millions and lying to their constituents and Obama and Kerry tell B-NET where to put it and *poof* goes our "special friendship"! I keep hoping that they are just letting out more rope for GoI to finally prove to the entire world just what they have become-- genocidal terrorists.)

  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in) (49)
  • Peter Beinart demolishes Gaza hasbara (51)
    • "The question is where do people go from here"

      Israel will go into an orgy of self-recrimination, confession, guilt, and reconciliation with the Palestinians. They'll start the very day after the last Palestinians is driven out or killed. Ah, but oh, how they will howl and rend their garments and cry " Oy, Mein Culpa".
      Their only comfort will be the fact that there are no more (not as any kind of a viable polity) Palestinians.
      Naturally, I'm sure you understand, Seafoid, they can't do this while the Palestinians are still around, it would be unseemly.

  • More voices describe Gaza slaughter as a 'genocide' (37)
    • 1 ) There are about as many Palestinians citizens of Israel as there are Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. They are not being targeted with systematic violence by the state.

      Doesn't matter. Genocide is defined as the systematic slaughter of a group of a particular ethnicity. Thus whether they are eradicating the Palestinians in Gaza but not the West Bank or not is irrelevant.

      Also, starving population or limiting the basic necessities of life are genocide.

      2) There is ample evidence Palestinians in Gaza are being systematically murdered.

      3) The Bosnian genocide of only 8,000 people, thus 50,000 would be more than sufficient to qualify.

  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in) (49)
    • I have read a lot of pro Israel stuff lately that I thought was satire and turned out not to be.

      Well my story was hardly more extreme than the 'they're digging tunnels into your kindergarten' was it? Though I tried. They're waging war on satire and parody I'm telling ya.

  • With nearly half a million displaced in Gaza, UNRWA head calls on Israel to take responsibility (23)
  • Slaughter is not self-defense: The assault on Gaza and the corruption of language (54)
    • Wouldn’t the law make a distinction between Hamas combatants defending their homes by shooting at Israeli soldiers, and Hamas combatants firing rockets at cities in Israel?

      Yes, it does. In addition, Goldstone noted that uniformed armed police officers are not a valid military objective and that Israel's attack on the Police graduation ceremony was a crime.

      As for Israel, would their vastly larger crimes and disregard for the law give any legal cover for someone to shoot at Israeli civilians?

      No. In international law two wrongs only make two wrongs. Tu quoque arguments are no defense against prosecution. Common Article 3 of the 3rd and 4th Convention and Article 33 of the 4th Geneva Convention essentially prohibit reprisals against civilians or prisoners at all times and in all places. None of that applies to settlers or other civilians who are actively engaged in hostilities.

  • Peter Beinart demolishes Gaza hasbara (51)
    • " LOL, now the Mexicans are getting it back through the Chiquita wombs"

      I can't keep up. What's a Chiquita womb, and how do they get your land back?

    • thanks, tree, and I always find your comments thoughtful and interesting. I'll see if I have the techno-savvy to fix this

    • Thanks, David. I saw ckg's link above and read the article there. But Hostage's suggestion is usable for any article from Haaretz as well as this one.

      And this may be my fault for adding too many different elements to my short comment, but the main point I was trying to convey was that your link to Haaretz in the your piece above was broken, so you might want to correct it.

      As I've said many times before, I always appreciate your contributions here.

  • 68 Palestinian families have had 3 or more members killed (2)
  • Blitzer and Rudoren pump Israeli tunnel fears (and AIPAC cashes in) (49)
    • They’ll soon be bilking Congress for the Iron Floor.

    • "Yeah. The ‘start up nation’ should go back to the drawing board and find a fix; while the country’s civilians are targeted and struck by Hamas rockets and mortars."

      Gosh, Jackdaw, I've given Israel's troubles a lot of thought, the constant attacks from their neighbors, the media is against them, all kinds of young people are against Israel, and all the old Zionists are dying off (and oh, how it breaks my heart) But thjere's only one conclusion for a Jew like me, and it is pretty obvious:

      God is anti-Zionist!!! So you are right everybody is against Israel.

    • Perhaps I am naive, but I come to this site not because I agree with most of it, but rather to understand other peoples viewpoints. I believe that well intentioned and intelligent people can differ on opinions and conclusions. My understanding of the Palestinian conditions have certainly been changed.

      Bearing that in mind, I have absolutely no idea how your comment relates either to the original posting or my comment.

      My point was to try to explain the Israeli experience in Lebanon and how it frames current views.

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