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  • On Easter, costly Jews - and costly Palestinians (3)
    • Today, 2 fresh elements added to Marc's Easter paralleling, the Sacrament of Penance and the reintroduction of the Jewish deicide even though it has now become redundant. As part of the Second Vatican Council that ended in 1966, Pope Paul VI had repudiated the traditional belief in the collective Jewish guilt for the Crucifixion. Paul VI stated that, even though some Jewish authorities and those who followed them called for Jesus' death, the blame for this cannot be laid at the door of all those Jews present at that time, nor can the Jews in our time be held as guilty. At the time, the Jews were angered for having been "forgiven" by Paul VI and felt that he was actually rubbing it in.

      In 1998, Church Council of Evangelical Lutheran Church in America adopted its resolution urging any Lutheran church presenting a Passion play to adhere to their Guidelines for Lutheran-Jewish Relations, stating that "the New Testament … must not be used as justification for hostility towards present-day Jews," and that "blame for the death of Jesus should not be attributed to Judaism or the Jewish people." (Wiki)

      In 2011, Pope Benedict XVI published his book in which he totally repudiated the blaming of the Jews and went as far as questioning the historicity of the passage found only in the Gospel of Matthew about blaming the Jews.

      Anyway, from Jews for Jesus that have him being crucified a second time at Auschwitz since he was a Jew, which sort of blend in with what Marc and pablemont are saying here:

    • Marc is quoting Mr. Raushenbusch of Huffington Post and satirising the 'Pastor Facebooks' that think like him.
      Following pabelmont above, I would think it clear that the Gospels all say that the Romans crucified Jesus and all say, indeed make a point of saying, that the Jewish priests did not have authority to crucify people. However, all attribute a heavy degree of responsibility to at least some Jewish people, Matthew most questionably and disturbingly because he makes a Jewish crowd accept responsibility, Luke being different in that he distinguishes sharply between the Jewish leaders - the rich and powerful, as pabelmont says - and the Jewish masses, who are very unhappy with the event.
      I can sympathise with one of Marc's aims, which is, as I was suggesting in response to his Passover meditations, to tell us Christians not to be smug. But argument gets very difficult beyond that point. He seems to want us to avoid the facile renunciation, a version of Bonhoeffer's 'cheap grace', of anti-Jewish feeling that comes so easily to Pastor Facebook and wants the current violation of Palestine to be explicitly mentioned. I have some sympathy with Pastor F: it is not easy to mention that violation and to mention specifically, with Marc, the abuse of power by Jewish people, without sounding smug or hostile or worse.

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
    • I'd recommend an article by Keith Gessen in the current London Review of Books which reports from Ukraine with some emphasis on the fact that, as Stephen says, everyone wants to label the opposition 'fascist' - accordingly many on both sides are keen to have Jewish support. Gessen refers to Joseph Broksky as representative of the strand of Jewish opinion which urged Ukraine to stay with (culturally superior) Russia and notes that at present the anti-Russian Right Sector, quite widely suspected of anti-Semitism, is forming a Jewish division in Odessa, already 8 strong. There's an element of propagandist comedy in all this but it's significant that even in that place and in this time the dire events of WW2 continue understandably to give people who are Jewish a special kind of moral significance, even authority.

  • On Easter, costly Jews - and costly Palestinians (3)
    • Jesus crucified by "the Jews"? By "The Jews"? Come on!
      But, of course, shorthand rules when you're in a hurry,
      Jesus' followers were Jews. He swam in a sea of Jews. The LEADERS (the AIPAC of the day) were also Jews, RICH POWERFUL Jews.

      Maybe, likely, it is correct to say Jesus was crucified (in part, don't forget the Romans) by RICH POWERFUL JEWS. Just as Palestinians today are crucified (in part) by AIPAC, BICOM, etc. (Don't forget Israeli government, settler crazies, and and other citizens).

      But, I know, shorthand rules when you're in a hurry, and its so much fun to blame "The Jews". Or "The Jewish Bankers who rule the world". Hmmm, and it appears that Goldman Sachs always appoints the American SecTreas, and G/S appears to be controlled by RICH POWERFUL JEWS, or as some would say (by way of abbreviation) by "The Jews".

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile (52)
    • The reference to destruction because of the symbolic status of the thing destroyed seems quite unpleasant, if Mr. Kishik is correctly quoted, and certainly represents a strained interpretation of Deuteronomy.
      The prophecy of Zephaniah 2:4 'Ekron shall be uprooted' is a play on the meaning of 'Ekron' and undoubtedly refers to the destruction of olive groves, since Ekron was, as the archaeologists tell us, the biggest centre of the olive industry. Some connect the prophecy with Nebuchadnezzar's campaign of December 604 - there must have been quite a crisis for him to have ventured that far west in the winter - and many argue that Ekron was at that time in the Egyptian sphere and that Nebuchadnezzar was already targeting Egypt as his main enemy. The prophet may just possibly be suggesting that the Iraqi invader is doing something which a good Israelite would regard as an atrocity, which would be something to reflect upon.

  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
    • Am I sponsoring slave work if I do order there?

      I stopped buying from amazon after I became aware of how badly the warehouse workers are treated. If you're interested, the article below does a pretty good job of exposing the labor conditions in their warehouses.

      link to motherjones.com

    • He may slip it in as part of the structure for the new Amazon “drone” program;-)

      That's the problem I have with the unions occasionally over here. More jobs gone easily nowadays. Another Amazon strike over here, apparently. And to be quite honest, many union representatives I met during my life ultimately were as corruptible as their counterparts "the business elites". The human element always trumps whatever basic ideas.

      I like the way they integrated the used book sellers option. It seems to work for students, who can get rid of books at relatively good prices when they don't need them anymore. Although I have no idea how much Amazon gets.

      Lately I made a curious discovery. A merchant in Frankfurt, who apparently is quite good at using existing structures, adopting to the times-that-are-a-changing. He sells over Amazon.de too, but even when I ordered via his online shop with in his Frankfurt base ultimately the item was handled and sent by Amazon.de. I would assume it pays for him, both storing and sending, otherwise he wouldn't use it. -But yes, no doubt he has to pay less people doing the job.

  • The Book of Exodus and the Book of Palestine (12)
    • I would point out to Marc that the Tanakh covers 3-4,000 years, from Adam to Cyrus and beyond, so that the extended New Testament would still be very far from finished, giving us time for amendment of life.

  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
    • For whatever reason I seem to have this vague memory, that all correspondence for foreign media on the ground are somewhat restricted by rules in their reporting.

      Correct, but that originates from the use of military censors, not from gag orders issued by the Courts.

      While this is of course highly interesting, it would also be interesting to know more about the larger context.

      It's pretty pervasive. I remember during the 2006 war the foreign press was staying on kibbutzes that also served as military operations and staging areas. The press couldn't even turn their cameras around and show viewers the locations of the artillery batteries that were directing out-going fire at Lebanon from the hotel parking lot. Viewers were frequently left with the false impression that the kibbutzes were under attack. The same sort of thing applied to press reports about Hezbollah rockets that were purportedly aimed at the inhabitants of Haifa and falling harmlessly into the harbor. The press didn't report that they were barely missing an enormous Israeli naval base, that happened to a valid military objective. I was surprised that the military censors even allowed those scenes of the harbor to be broadcast at all, since they could have provided very useful targeting information to the Lebanese crews who were firing the missiles that would have allowed them to make corrections and strike their intended targets instead.

    • Kudos too to Silverstein for revealing Shamai Leibowitz's information that caused him a 20 month Federal prison sentence.

    • Could it possibly be the Ochs and Sulzbergers who do actually own the place?

    • Am I sponsoring slave work if I do order there?

      No, Jeff Bezos is still trying to figure out a way to implement slavery. He may slip it in as part of the structure for the new Amazon "drone" program;-) In the meantime, I have a prime account and order enough discounted used books from vendors (fulfiled by Amazon) to give all of the Amazon warehouse pickers carpel tunnel syndrome and a hernia to boot. So I'll have to recuse myself from sitting in judgment of this case and let others decide.

      I've always enjoyed the late Musa E. Mazzawi's Palestine and the Law: Guidelines for the Resolution of the Arab-Israel Conflict. It's full of little bits of the puzzle and key details needed to unravel some of the age-old arguments. He points out that none of the parties concerned, including the AHC, the British government, the Jewish Agency, or the UN member states, ever questioned the General Assembly's legal competence to convene a special session and adopt a legally binding solution on the question of Palestine. The problems arose when it tried to adopt one that wasn't near and dear to everyone's own heart. He explains why international law doesn't work like that. He also noted that the Israelis and the Arabs constantly refer to the other party's "violations" of the UN resolution, which undermines the basis they employ to excuse their own violations - that it was only a non-binding recommendation. He uses the historical record and the applicable law to deconstruct a plethora of supposed loopholes and falsehoods that obscure the real underlying issues.

    • I was vaguely thinking about the Blau affair, too. I appreciate that you remind us of it in this context. ...

      I have also to admit --however you want to look at it--as "aside" or as confession: I could easily develop conspiracy tales about how Ari Shavit's book was ordered by the powers that be. Since they were aware of Max' upcoming publication. Well, I have to admit, I studied literature. ;)

      In any case what restrictions does "the only democracy in the ME" have both inside and outside, and how are related? And how? And to what extend?

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
    • JeffB,

      The fact that the Jewish establishment, because of its embrace of Jewish nationalism (Zionism), has lost the intellectual and moral authority to oppose ethnic and religious nationalism in the United States and Europe (and everywhere else) doesn't strike you as rather a significant historical development?

      For how much longer do you think that that establishment will be able justify its two-track and self-contradictory policies -- ethnic and religious nationalism for itself and liberal universalism for everyone else?

      Also: what would be the fate of Israel in a world in which ethnic and religious nationalism were running rampant in the West? Can you do the math? Why would ethnic and religious nationalist states in the West continue to support Israel?

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile (52)
    • "The tree is not only a symbol of the Arab’s occupation of the land, but it is also the central means through which they carry out this occupation ..."

      Amazing, how one's own ideologies can be projected onto the other. But also how religion can be twisted to serve more worldly desires.

      My grandfather thought me his love of trees, I am pretty sure based on these memories, that the former owners would recognize their trees. Which no doubt may be sold sometimes in need of means for basic survival created by the occupation. A context turned upside down in the Rabbi's (?) argument. to what extend would families really resort to sell their trees? And how could one get them to as a really last solution? ... Are there merchants looking for trees that get an extra high price?

      I was absolutely baffled by the argument, an argument that seems to fit the larger context of these projective verbal activities, when I first encountered this idea: the Palestinians want to keep Judea & Samaria judenrein.

      But we also have events like putting fire to olive trees, don't we? There is a much larger context,which shows the supposedly deeply religious may in fact not be, whatever you like to call it: "fake religious". In fact some may well be turning religious/"observant" in need of a special ethic cloak in this context.

      What I am really wondering about is, that I never noticed these things when I watched the first documentaries about observant religious settles. Deeply puzzled indeed.

      But then, my friend tells me, I do not see things, I haven't read about. And have come to accept this a basic critique.

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • @ DaBakr "so much concern for 100s of 1000s of the Syrian war victims I can feel oozing from your being."

      Many Syrian war victims being offered refuge in Israel DaBakr?

      Say, is that the same Syria from which Israel has illegally acquired the Golan? link to yale.edu

    • DaBakr. I'll bet you lose lots of sleep over those 100s of 1000s of Syrians who have died in a civil war. That is intended as sarcasm. What would you have the United States do? Send in the U.S. Marines and kill more Syrians -- pro government Syrians, pro Assad Syrians? They are fair game, I suppose. Assad too, I suppose? After all, Assad kills his "own" people, and that is so beyond the pale of decency and humanity. Killing those not your "own people", however, is just perfectly acceptable is it?

    • Yep. And don't forget the Democratic platform vote on Jerusalem in 2012:

      link to youtu.be

      Tightening the lid just increases the pressure for voters to make their will known, imho. But it's anyone's guess as to political time-frame and/or explosiveness.

    • Feigning concern for the victims of Zionist policies as an attempt to deflect criticism of those very Zionist policies. Habara 101 does not work on people who know what's up DaBakr.

  • The Book of Exodus and the Book of Palestine (12)
    • May I offer you a mental bridge, Libra? To get over the passages that trigger your revolt?

      Quite possibly the vast majority always used and uses religion as some type of superficial cloth that makes them appear: righteous. ON BOTH SIDES. That is his core narrative. Don't allow yourself to be distracted by emotional responses.

      At least the Hebrew Bible details the downside. Credit where credit is due. The New Testament lacks courage. If the New Testament covered roughly the same amount of time as the Hebrew Bible does, the New Testament would stretch from Jesus to Auschwitz. So much for the Jewish God of vengeance versus the Christian God of love.

      No doubt Christians more generally would profit from the Jewish avoidance of black and white versus the Christian's own obsession with the devil, the personification of the "evil other". Which seems a deeply influential ultimately dangerous myth and apparently a core inspiration of the religious right and some religious nuts.

      But, if I may: The Nazis really weren't Christians. Their intention ultimately was to change religion according to their own Aryan designs to take it over like anything else. Look into the history of the German Christians, and the attempts to take over the Protestant church with their help. No doubt you also will find rather dubious theologians that managed to keep one foot in the party even the SS for a time and at the same time were dissenters in the Confessing Church too, just in case, it feels. And yes, even on the side of the Confessing Church its members apparently did not protect their priests with Jewish roots, maybe too busy trying to protect their church, the institution, against the Nazi takeover. Which led to the surrender of core values.

      All this for me strictly belongs into the herd and the occasionally "real Christians", whatever that may be. Where the bystanders and diverse layers of perpetrators centrally Christians?

      Compare the righteous among the nations, a variation may well be the righteous among the Christians. Remember some of the churches' representatives were among the victims too. Let's dive a bit into mystical Jewish tradition:

      Lamed-Vav Tzadikim: As a mystical concept, the number 36 is even more intriguing. It is said that at all times there are 36 special people in the world, and that were it not for them, all of them, if even one of them was missing, the world would come to an end. The two Hebrew letters for 36 are the lamed, which is 30, and the vav, which is 6. Therefore, these 36 are referred to as the Lamed-Vav Tzadikim. This widely-held belief, this most unusual Jewish concept is based on a Talmudic statement to the effect that in every generation 36 righteous "greet the Shechinah," the Divine Presence (Tractate Sanhedrin 97b; Tractate Sukkah 45b).[1]

      ************

      That said, I respect Marc's pride, if that is what it seems, in Jewish tradition and its long history. Just as I think, its a real tragedy that Judaism apparently got taken over by rather worldly interests.

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • There is little consistency of opinion between the plutocrats who fund the politicians and the masses who vote. The GOP learnt that last time around. Libertarianism is not going to win over undecideds, neither is Israel.

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile (52)
  • Resurrecting Passover? (34)
    • @ jon s "Let’s not lose sight of the central theme of Passover, which is to remember ..."

      Seems you've forgotten already Israel's brutal and un-necessary occupation of other folk

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
    • @ JeffB "Jews have quality leadership now, t.."

      A) Netanyahu is not the leader of Jews, he's the Israeli leader. No more, no less. B) Any leadership continuing illegal settlements, continuing to illegally sell illegal Israeli settlers land in non-Israeli territory illegally acquired by war, is quite simply a moron!

  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
    • Ok, get it.

      Hostage, huge thanks by the way for one of your recent sources. John B. Quigley, Palestine is a State: A Horse with Black and White Stripes is a Zebra. That helps a lot, since I am slightly puzzled for longer now by what I call the terra incognita argument.

      Made me aware of this ebook. Amazon.de uses a really peculiar listing for John B. Quigley. Although his book about the Six Day war is listed as John Quigley, versus simply Quigley as in the book above, for whatever reason you don't find it if you search John Quigley. I am working on it.

      But back to his the Statehood of Palestine. Absolutely fascinating. I didn't know how the Balfour Declaration was used in WWI. It may well be one of the tiny pieces of the puzzle that may have fed into the larger stab-in-the-back-myth / Dolchstoßlegende on the extreme right over here. These tiny bits of evidence that get blown out of proportion, is exactly what I am interested in.

      Highly interesting author. I doubt there are many in his field with such a solid knowledge of Russia. Thanks for alluding me to him. The Question of Palestine is on its way from the US. I keep wondering how they can send it with the same shipping terms as if they were in Europe. Am I sponsoring slave work if I do order there?

  • Long ago, Bill Buckley and Woody Allen agreed on occupation (8)
  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
    • ooops, correspondents, not correspondence. I guess I was tired. Initially it was foreign journalists, and then wondered about foreign in that context. Some surely are more foreign than others. On the other hand that is not really an ally I like to go down.

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
  • Resurrecting Passover? (34)
    • As I've pointed out in previous comments, there is no slaughter of innocents in the Purim story.
      In the Passover story the Israelites don't kill anyone, except for the cruel overseer whom Moses "smote".

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile (52)
  • The Book of Exodus and the Book of Palestine (12)
    • I do hope you are being sarcastic. I agree with you 100% in terms of the letter of the law. The technical letter of the law doesn't necessarily carry over into day to day life though.

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
    • This is typical in the black community too, where we have "civil rights" people and others who jump up to call things racist and apologize, etc. Unfortunately all it does is create and spread hysteria before anyone has a chance to confirm it's veracity. Often it ends with the black community looking worse not better. It will be a blessing the day Jackson and Sharpton are gone and their pockyness no longer show up to make a buck off black community tragedies. I'm just thankful that the NAACP generally takes a restrained approach and refrains from unnecessarily embarrassing the whole lot of us.

      Yes, tragedies and threats should bind us and help us react, but we shouldn't fall so easily to anger and terror, we only end up being someone's useful idiot when we get so easily suckered.

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • @seafoid - So fluting what? Is GOP the only show in town? Demolicans are probably way worse in re Zionism as they lack a patriotoid wing and a libertarian one, too.

    • @piotr - So what? After every genuine moron from the Repucrat aisle comes a truly intelligent, high-fuel scholar from the Demolican fraction who makes it way worse. Just as an example among many, Obama dared do what even Bush fils could not imagine: proclaim himself Sole Ruler and legalize seizing, jailing and murdering anyone on his royal say-so. Beat that.

      On the whole, I start thinking that I like the morons better; they're more human-like.

      The only thing we may well have to remember (limitedly to Palestine for this site): anything any of these lesser-worse-evils do, if we voted for them we are personally accessories. No other interpretation possible.

    • Sheldon Adelson demonstrates perfectly that what was behind the rise of neocons was essentially Likudnik sentiments. They have never had a real base within the party.

      Whenever people talked about this previously, they all cried "anti-Semitism" and they could count on their liberal helpers to bash the critics inside the GOP as anti-Semites. That period is gone.

      However, it is telling that you can only have this discussion in progressive media and not in the mainstream GOP publications. Why? Because the owners of the mainstream GOP publications are all owned and/or operated by neocons. That is why Kristol runs his own little GOP media empire, largely because of his concern for Israel.

      I ultimately don't think Paul will win, but that would be the best outcome from a foreign policy perspective. From a domestic perspective, he is a total disaster.
      Either way, the GOP is demographically wiped out henceforth. We are entering a Californification of national politics(Congressional races still lag).

      Also, what is Bret Stephens if not a one-issue guy whose only reason to being a "Republican" is really trying to advocate for Israel.

      Walt/Mearsheimer got a lot of heat from people - and still do - for saying the neocons were responsible for the Iraq war. They were. And they pushed it for the same reason they are now trying to destroy Rand Paul: Israel.

      For me it is amazing that the rest of the GOP base hasn't shown a lot more hatred towards people who are fundamentally disloyal to America and who only lobby for wars on behalf of Israel. It says a lot more about the GOP base than the hateful characters in the neocon donor/media clique of the party, disconnected from everyone else.

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
    • I am a little dissapointed by Phil, and others, regarding the Ukraine, which has other implications. I have been reading this blog daily since pretty much the beginning, so....

      Why is it that the tone here regarding al Assad, Gadaffi and Libya when war was being prepared, and Putin and Russia, that now come straight from the sources from which no one here would believe a printed line without coroboration, for the tiniest moment, about the Israelis and Palestine, is valid? It is bizarre. The MSM lies through its teeth moment of every day about every single thing that it tells us to believe about Israel and the Palestinians. But becomes a mostly reliable source about the Ukraine, and the evil Putin and Russia?

      Can someone explain that to me????

      Or perhaps it's tactical, in which case I defer. If not, in terms of the Ukraine I recommend a glance at:

      link to vineyardsaker.blogspot.com

      A pro Russian devout Orthodox Christian. Extremely well informed. And honorable, in muy atheist view. Which is to say, he tells the truth as he sees it.

  • Stephen Walt: publishing 'Israel lobby' ended any thought of serving in US gov't (68)
  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
    • OK, I will start circulating in my neighborhood a collection sheet, where you can sign and donate some small change to help officially move the NY Times headquarters to Tel Aviv, leaving here a NY correspondent. Title: Let's Help Move the New York Times to the Country of its Dreams!
      I am sure there are internet equivalents to this, much more powerful, but that's for those knowledgeable.

  • The Book of Exodus and the Book of Palestine (12)
    • @ jon s "You would learn that you were wrong in thinking that Jews didn’t pray for an ingathering from exile."

      Prayed to who? The Jewish Agency and its terrorists?

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
    • Due to EU regulations every Hungarian, Jewish or Christian or atheist, is free to live in all member states of the EU. Actually many Hungarians are living in Berlin, Jewish intellectuals also as Peter Nadas, György Conrad, Imre Kertesz.

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • piotr

      I completely agree with you. And I would even go further: the Republicans have with Rand Paul a serious candidate who could stand up against the Israel lobby.

      What's missing is a serious candidate who could stand up against the Israel lobby in the Democratic party. Bernie Sanders? I doubt he has the guts to take on the Israel lobby. I'ld love to see Alan Grayson as a candidate - he played it really well rallying against bombing Syria and he recently also made a very sensible speech on the Crimea becoming part of Russia - but would it be enough? I doubt it.

  • The Book of Exodus and the Book of Palestine (12)
    • @libra - I'll second and third the memo to Prof. Ellis. Plus a note: a picture of a page of Exodus... in *English* has no class. None at all.

  • Long ago, Bill Buckley and Woody Allen agreed on occupation (8)
    • He gave me the creeps too, the way he chewed on his pencil, though he did pick an important fight with the John Birch racists telling them they had no place in his conservatism. And he did have really controversial left and radical figures on his show and took their ideas seriously enough to debate them.

      Also Buckley was very much not a WASP but a WASC.

  • Resurrecting Passover? (34)
    • Dear Walid,

      Out of curiosity, can I ask what is your religion? You don't have to answer.

      I would not be surprised if Puritans committed genocide and ascribed it to "wrath", granted, I am not sure they would associate it with Jesus' love.

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • @piotr - From your lips to God's ears. Not that the Rand brat is anything to write home about but it sure would drive them all crazy. I'd prefer to have him try his touch in the UN or some such, though.

    • I don't see any white guy being the next and subsequent POTUS. I only see white women in that spot, and eventually, a latina women. These two groups of females hold the cards. What their foreign policy will be? Good question. They don't have a clue themselves.

    • I got to give Halperin credit for a change with his analysis. He is providing a window into the the power of the Israel Lobby in the Republican camp.

    • I spent some money to support "anyone but Hillary" (I am not a tycoon, so it is merely a record of my attitude), and the consensus is that not only we did not get "Hillary without Hillary", but we actually got Hillary as well. One can find it sad or hilarious.

      Concerning morons among Republican contenders, this is simply the case of sticking to the proven formula. Reagan elected twice, Bush Sr. once and Bush Jr. twice, that clearly shows that the people do not want a clever Republican president. Perhaps Romney lost to Obama because he merely pretended to be stupid.

    • Antiwar,anti intervention ,pro domestic issues and pro domestic constituency evoke disdain and hatred from both sides of the aisle and from both sides of the imperial coin

      link to original.antiwar.com

  • The Book of Exodus and the Book of Palestine (12)
    • Our American Constitution dispenses with biblical claims, religious nationalisms, tribalisms and debates about angels and pin heads. Thank God!

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • "It should be exciting to see a politician who stands up in public and takes on the lobby." This news item is rather mixed in that respect: if Rand is really "evolving", then it would not be the case of "standing up" but of failing to satisfy the ever more exacting criteria of ZOA ilk.

  • 'Israel is the home of all Jews,' declares a right-wing official (13)
    • Wow, lysis Hess's words are almost exactly Ayalon's words. Replace 1936 Germany for 2014 Israel and it is the exact same message. (I understand this is offensive to many...as it us to me, but this is what it is and there is no denying it.)

      Translation: "...Germany will reach it's goal to become home, home to all Germans of the the world."

      Well, the social political roots of all European Nationalist movements of the late 19th century are shared. There was a "de nazification" program after the war -- to re program the population. But that was only for Germans still in Germany.

  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
    • NYT Slammed for Honoring Israeli Govt Gag Orders

      Times Jerusalem bureau admits compliance with Israel-ordered media blackouts

      - Sarah Lazare, staff writer link to commondreams.org

      The New York Times made a rare admission that it submits to Israeli state gag orders, fueling charges from critics that the globally-influential publication plays fast-and-loose with journalistic ethics to give favorable coverage to Israel.

      The revelation emerged when the The Times delayed its coverage of the Israeli detention of a Palestinian journalist, due—as it turns out—to a gag order from an Israeli court. ........

      ....... Blogger Richard Silverstein wrote on Saturday about Kayyal's detention and later released a copy of the gag order. Journalist Ali Abunimah, writing for Electronic Intifada, on Sunday reported on the arrest and published classified court transcripts that revealed the existence of the gag order on the media regarding the case.

      Thanks to an appeal from legal rights organization Adalah, the gag on Israeli media coverage was lifted Thursday. ......

      ..... Newsroom lawyer for The Times confirmed the compliance. Sullivan writes:

      I asked The Times’s newsroom lawyer, David McCraw, about the situation. He told me that he was consulted by Times journalists this week as they considered publishing an article about Mr. Kayyal’s arrest. Although the situation is somewhat murky, he said, “the general understanding among legal counsel in other countries is that local law would apply to foreign media.” Similar issues arise when America news media organizations cover the British courts, he said.

      But the restriction in Israel has not been tested, he said.

      Yet The Times managing editor, Dean Baquet, and assistant managing editor, Susan Chira, told Sullivan that they were not aware of any instances in which the paper complied with Israeli gag orders.

  • Resurrecting Passover? (34)
    • In my reply to Jeff I expressed surprise that secular Israelis consider Reform Judaism a religious mistake, and skepticism over whether the WCC was cruel, as it is based in Switzerland like the Red Cross and comes from the standpoint of other such humanitarian organizations. I also suggested that the PCUSA's relationship with the NJPS is not so contradictory as the unfortunate situation in the Holy Land, where the State proclaims democracy but very many Palestinians lack its benefits. It is this contradiction that confronts the PCUSA, which does not have some inherent interest in a conflict with the NJPS.

      May I ask if this comment is incorrect, or perhaps the way I expressed it was incorrect? That would help me to better comment in the future. Thanks, and Happy Passover / Paschal Season, as the case may be.

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • It was in 2006 .There was antiwar frenzy. Citizen was angry with the war. The Democratic primary showed that the antiwar candidate would win on anti war platform.
      But Rahm Emmanuel in charge of distribution of money and logistics sabotaged it and picked up those candidates who were not overtly opposed to the war. Democrat could have secured more seats had he chosen according to the performances of the candidates who overwhelmingly opposed the war.

      link to counterpunch.org

      link to counterpunch.org

      link to counterpunch.org

      link to counterpunch.org

      Rahm lost seats. " he seized the defeat from the jaws of the victory"

    • I still like the theory that all this talk about Israel is simply the cover of Adelson's true agenda, which is to outlaw online poker. For that you would prefer wingnuts with a more statist bent rather than libertarians.

      What I find fascinating that until recently, the idea to spend millions to keep a libertarian away from GOP nomination would qualify for jokes. It would be like storing road salt in Miami (to melt snow and ice). And with reverse Midas touch that Adelson seems to have (you touch gold and it changes to dirt), Paul could even get nominated.

  • Long ago, Bill Buckley and Woody Allen agreed on occupation (8)
    • Well, strictly speaking it can just be religious Jews moving to the Holy Land. I don't know that this is reactionary. However, I think many strands of Zionism, including Chomsky's, have a conservative side that would formally segregate society.

    • Buckley's eyes flitter in a weird, somewhat creepy way when he talked. He has kind of a creepy attitude.

  • 'Israel is the home of all Jews,' declares a right-wing official (13)
    • This is a bit "dog bites man" kind of news. Once, there was a story in an Israeli newspaper about a man biting a dog, but the converse can barely make news in a village newspaper. I do not know what percentage of Israelis and Zionists elsewhere (however liberal) do not believe that Israel is THE homeland of all Jews. And there are somewhat logical explanations of that.

      Explanation one. Holy writ of Balfour: Jews shall establish national home in (then) Palestine. Balfour would be greatly miffed if Jews would not take that offer, so one has to stick with it.

      Explanation two. In the absence of Israel, Jews would be in the most terrible danger of them all: they would loose their Jewishness. For more than 2000 years in Exile they did not, but mostly because they did not know any better. However with innumerable distractions of 21st century they would assimilate in a blink without a focus for the national pride (why, they would not even feel a reason to have a national pride).

      Explanation three. What Jews need most is a good reason to kvetch, without it they are like mariners of old sailing for months without vitamin C in their food. Through the previous centuries in Exile they had plenty of legitimate reasons, but now, not so much. In the absence of Israel, that is. But there are so many attacks on Israel that one can still maintain that anti-Semitism is as powerful as ever, and we are unjustly vilified, subjected to humiliations of double standards etc.

      I think it covers most of it if you allow for variations like "spiritual needs" (a combination of Explanation Two and Explanation Three).

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
    • @Stephen Shenfield- Great point. And you have to ask who the dueling accusers are trying to influence to get those "dividends."

      Is it just so apparent to everyone at this point? That this manipulation of US politics becomes a lever for every/anyone else to use as they see fit for their own (non-US) interests? Are the Israel Lobby manipulators in the US that mercenary? Apparently so, on all counts.

      A few months back there was a story here (iirc) about Morocco courting AIPAC to help it "manage" the international blowback for its ongoing occupation of Spanish Sahara (archaic?).

      Israel's gift to the world is violence, chaos, and the complete evisceration of all post-WWII IHL progress - including and especially, "Never Again!"

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • Paul has the Adelson kow-tow and nuke videos for campaign commercials. They are shocking enough to make this a contest by visually and viscerally trumping the Halperin/Beltway CW, in Republican primary terms anyway.

      Who votes for a guy (all of Paul's competition) who has his head so deeply and demonstrably up someone else's butt?

      I think Halperin's views are borderline wishful thinking at this point. I'm not sure they should be demoralizing.

      Further, you guys got the story on Adelson's "nuke Iran" comment. As lysias said upthread, the US voter is sharply opposed to any such policy. Couple the kow-tow with the "nukem" videos and you get voter disgust for Adelson-affiliated candidates (if the videos are used).

      Think LBJ's "Daisy Girl" ad against Goldwater, only with cause and video backup.

      Aside from the fact that that's why Boteach got into it with you as you were recording another of his little "forums" (i.e. you're having individual effect), there's every likelihood that you all have provided some pretty large-caliber rhetorical ammunition for Rand Paul (or somebody) to counter Halperin-like analysis. That's Major Political effect, at least potentially. That too might be the opposite of demoralizing...

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile (52)
    • "@Woody, who is a hypocrite?"

      You, asherpat, you paranoid, slandering freak. You cheer on one of the most powerful militaries in the history of the world as it attack an essentially defenseless population for sport, and you have the nerve to complain because of the t-shirt this woman is wearing? You are the hypocrite.

      And no, outsourcing part of the oppression of the Palestinian population to the PA while allowing an invasion of lunatic settlers to steal the Palestinians' land is not, in any way, advancing a true and just peace.

  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
    • New York, New York. Are you alluding to Sullivan’s timing or are you pleased to be there?

      Yes, I was alluding to the proverbial SNL "fellate-a-donkey for Israel" skit and commenting that the list of volunteers who would line-up to be gagged would almost certainly include the staff and editors of the NYTimes: link to mondoweiss.net

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • personally-i think you might be underestimating the hay that the GOP is going to make out of the diminishing status of the US in FP. Regardless of where the blame lies-and there is plenty of blame for the GOP-I suspect that the only candidate the GOP has a real chance with is either an x-military or FP background. Unless of course they dig up a character like Reagan (which would be their w-dream). Hillary is coming off much stronger on FP and could make a case for strengthening it more then could Paul. While Paul might lure some Dems-I would bet that Hillary could lure a lot of upscale republican women in the upper-middle to middle class. It will be exciting nonetheless.

    • 'and frankly, i think paul is the only gop who could go up against hilary and win. why? because he is the only gop candidate who could pull votes from democrats. i’d love it if, in this election, israel got the attention it deserves. love it, finally'...annie

      so would I ... but Paul cant come out totally 'against' Israel or he will lose those electorial votes in Fla where the 80 year old Jewish crowd is and maybe in some other old Jewish centers too.
      He needs to be cagey about his policy on Israel.

      I like my idea---lie your head off about how much you love Israel and sign all the AIPAC MOU's the moneymen put in front of you and then if elected say you changed mind, now that you've seen Israel in the nude she isnt that pretty, and toss your signed MOU pledges to Israel in the Oval office fireplace.

    • agree. If not now-soon enough it will be. lobbies lobbies lobbies

    • @ annie

      it really excites me.

      Me too! This one will be for the history books. I don't believe Hillary has a chance to win anymore - she took quite a public beating as SoS and has nothing to point to as accomplishments. Sure, a lot of people will vote for her as the first female POTUS, but not nearly enough.

      Rand has a really good shot at winning the Republican nomination, because the other contenders are far too weak and damaged goods (like Christy, Cruz, etc.). The only real contender could be Jeb Bush - but it is far too soon for another Bush in the WH - so I doubt he will even run.

      Between Rand and Hillary - Rand has a pretty decent shot. A lot more young people voting in 2016 - and that is Rand's strong point. Meanwhile, the supporters of Adelson are aging and dying off faster than they can be replaced. More and more Americans are waking up to the reality that we don't want to be in any more wars. Whether they care about Palestine or not, many like me are worried about the economy, our jobs, and ability to keep up with our mortgages, while we live from paycheck to paycheck. More people are aware that our taxes are not being used at home where we would like it to be, and instead are being used to enter us in even more wars and meddling in other people's businesses, without any profit to the US, and a spiralling loss of our prestige abroad.

      I think the US is about to become much more nationalistic (not ethno nationalists - more patriotic for tribe USA).

      No supporter of Obama, but - we are whom we have been waiting for.

    • so much concern for 100s of 1000s of the Syrian war victims I can feel oozing from your being. But anything and everything if it defeats anything AIPAC.

    • @ Rich

      lol..yeah I like the orange one best---no one knew what the hell that one meant.

    • RudyM,

      I don’t know. Hillary seems pretty defeatable in general. I think the Democrats will be making a mistake to make her their presidential candidate.

      Hillary was stale, dull, boring and uninspiring in 2008 and she will much more so in 2016. She's a crude neocon and a tool of the most corrupt elements of Wall Street and the Israel lobby.

      If Elizabeth Warren made an effort I think she could easily defeat Clinton -- just as Barack Obama buried her in 2008.

      She is not nearly as bright as Bill and has no political accomplishments of note on her resume. We have never seen her lead from convictions on any issue. She is running because she is addicted to power and expects to be coronated by an equally corrupt Democratic Party.

  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
    • The press and news media is rapidly becoming obsolete for people who actually look for some news.
      The cable news biggies are really nothing now but left vr right tit for tat and guest opinions...more like a Hollywood Squares show...with the same worn out pundits in their little boxes taking turns pontificating about the parties or politicians.

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • lysias,

      The tech companies are upset by what the NSA has been doing, at least now that it has become public. It hits them in their wallets. And that’s an issue on which Paul is strong.

      This situation (and sector) potentially provides Rand Paul with a huge opportunity to rake in major campaign contributions. I wonder if his political organization is smart enough and capable enough to exploit it.

    • lysias says:

      April 18, 2014 at 6:45 pm

      The tech companies are upset by what the NSA has been doing, at least now that it has become public. It hits them in their wallets. And that’s an issue on which Paul is strong
      >>>>>

      yes I noticed that Paul had made several speeches and press releases about favoring net freedom-----maybe that will get him some financial backing from the tech billionaires.

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile (52)
    • Under Just's and Talknic's posts: "By the way, it’s against Jewish halachic law to destroy these trees"- there are no reply buttons, so I will reply here;]
      Dora Apel in "War Culture and the Contest of Images", p. 195 writes:
      "Yet the uprooting of fruit trees is biblically prohibited, even when they are enemy trees in times of war. Chief Inspector David Kishik, an Orthodox Jew and a settler, explains how contemporary uprooting fits with this biblical prohibition: “[T]he tree is the source of the problem. It's not just an incidental thing like [it is] in the Bible. Here, the tree is not only a symbol of the Arab's occupation of the land, but it is also the central means through which they carry out this occupation. . . . It's not like the tree is the enemy's , in which case the Bible tells you not to uproot it because it has nothing to do with the fight. Here it has everything to do with it. The tree is the enemy soldier.”"
      David Kishik- Chief Inspector of the Israeli Civil Administration in the West Bank.

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
    • Yes, "The media disinformation campaign" is amazing. Full-court press. Reminds me of the days before we invaded Iraq. But why, I wonder? It seems disproportionate. I guess the folks calling the shots don't believe in proportion. "Extremism in the cause of X is no vice," as it were. But what X here could be important enough to trigger all this sound and fury?

  • Long ago, Bill Buckley and Woody Allen agreed on occupation (8)
    • Buckley was an obnoxious buffoon so no surprise there.

      It is disheartening to see someone whose art you admire and who is progressive on most topics -- Woody Allen, apparently Lou Reed, maybe Neil Young -- turn into a raving racist when it comes to Israel

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile (52)
    • From the article "Gethsemane Olive Trees Among World’s Oldest":
      Two famous olive trees often lay claim to being the world’s oldest. The olive tree of Vouves in Chania, Greece, a tree that still produces fruit, is thought to be 2,000 years old according to tree ring analysis. However some scientists believe it is closer to 4,000 years in age. The other contender is the Al Badawi tree in the village of Al Walaja, Bethlehem, which is thought to be between 4,000 and 5,000 years old.
      Link: link to oliveoiltimes.com
      Or: Two diferent groups of Japanese and European experts dated Al Badawi (The Big One), as the Palestinians calls it, between 4,000 and 5,000 years old- from the link below:
      link to stopthewall.org
      Hope it will help.

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • I don't know. Hillary seems pretty defeatable in general. I think the Democrats will be making a mistake to make her their presidential candidate. I certainly won't be voting for her, though that doesn't necessarily mean I'd vote for Rand Paul.

      Then again, maybe you are right. The Republicans seem to have a really hard time coming up with anyone buy lunatics and morons to run in their presidential primaries.

    • The tech companies are upset by what the NSA has been doing, at least now that it has become public. It hits them in their wallets. And that's an issue on which Paul is strong.

      I really wonder whether all the NSA news has not also been affecting on-line sales. Maybe the retailers will join up with the tech companies.

    • @ Annie Robbins,

      Having a female POTUS is long overdue, but not Hillary. Not another Clingon Clinton in the WH.

    • @ American,

      Q: Its been a decade of Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!.

      R: I guess you miss 'em DHS provided, color-coated, Sesame Street warning charts as much as I do?

    • it really excites me. i'd love to see a massive showdown in the primaries over israel. i cannot think of an opportunity more ripe to expose israel's crimes.

      and frankly, i think paul is the only gop who could go up against hilary and win. why? because he is the only gop candidate who could pull votes from democrats. i'd love it if, in this election, israel got the attention it deserves. love it, finally.

      And Halperin’s book on the last election leaves the Israel factor completely out of the political equation, even as he swears to its importance on MSNBC.

      outrageous!

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
    • LYSIAS- “The fliers in Donetsk sure look to me like a CIA-inspired provocation.”

      It would appear that the fliers are part of a Western psyops campaign, most likely a proactive attempt to try to blame Putin and Russia for incidents of anti-Semitism likely caused by the neo-Nazis the US put into power in Kiev. Anti-Semitism is a sideshow and a distraction. The US destabilized the Ukraine and organized a Putsch for geopolitical reasons. The apparent reasons were to both prevent increased Ukrainian/Russian cooperation, and to scuttle increased Russian/European cooperation. The media disinformation campaign is the absolute worst that I have seen since the empire dismembered Yugoslavia for geostrategic reasons.

      When a Democrat makes war or destabilizes there is NO opposition, and the media marches in lock step. The empire is on a rampage, determined to lock in global hegemony during a brief window of opportunity. This is an extremely risky gambit. Obama is a much more effective warmonger than Bush.

      I have two links, if you are interested. The first is to a Counterpunch article by Mike Whitney which summarizes the situation quite well.
      link to counterpunch.org

      The second is to a brief video by Michael Hudson, an economist at the University of Missouri who wrote “Super Imperialism: The Origin and Fundamentals of U.S. World Dominence,” and more recently “Finance Capitalism and its Discontents.” He is so upset by the situation in the Ukraine that he becomes visually agitated during the interview. Make no mistake, the empire is on a war footing and this is extremely serious.
      link to dandelionsalad.wordpress.com

  • 'Israel is the home of all Jews,' declares a right-wing official (13)
  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
    • Is there a distinction between Rudoren residing in Israel obeying Israeli civil law, vs the Times publishing articles by someone not in Israel on the same topic?

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • I don't find this story depressing at all. It should be exciting to see a politician who stands up in public and takes on the lobby. It is hard to imagine seeing Paul win, but the public fight could definitely turn into a Pyrrhic victory for the lobby. At the very least it would educate a new generation of Americans that Rand Paul is surely to appeal to.

  • Resurrecting Passover? (34)
    • Unfortunately no religion does Walid. Case in point, the history of Christianity. Brutal stuff all around. This God Disease is lethal stuff. May we find the cure one day.

  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly (34)
    • For whatever reason I seem to have this vague memory, that all correspondence for foreign media on the ground are somewhat restricted by rules in their reporting.

      While this is of course highly interesting, it would also be interesting to know more about the larger context.

      But maybe I am misguided.

  • Reports of anti-Semitism in Ukraine and Hungary (41)
    • The Treaty of Versailles is the treaty that keeps on giving. Those boundaries that define modern day Hungary were the result of that treaty and adjacent Hungarian provinces were given to adjacent countries as punishment and to weaken the German and Austro-hungarian states the West blamed for starting WWI.

      These were the decisions that were made back in 1919.

      Sudetan Germans assigned to an artificial entity made up of Czechs and Slovaks (though the vast majority identified as Austrians).
      Prussian city of Danzig physically separated from the rest of Prussia.
      Creation of Yugoslavia forcing Slovenia and Croatia (loyal subjects to the A-H empire) with Serbs (plus a Hungarian province).

      All three of these decisions resulted in horrible war. The first two resulting in the acceptance of the German people to rally behind Hitler's war. I find it hard to believe that a government in Hungary at this late date is bringing is stirring this up today.

      But this whole Ukraine crisis is the result of short sited decisions made by Lenin in 1922 and Khruschev in 1954 regarding Ukraine's borders. I do hope the Kerry and Obama are starting to realize the mess they have stirred up.

    • HOPHMI- “You don’t need the CIA to find antisemites in Ukraine.”

      Right you are, Hophmi. Victoria Nuland and Bernard-Henri Levy found a lot of them in Maidan square and encouraged them to overthrow the elected government, promising full Western support. As ye sow, so shall ye reap!

    • As to "the ongoing importance and blessing of having a strong homeland for the Jewish people in the State of Israel", that is nonsense.

      We need to make sure that in each of our own countries we have generous laws dealing with refugees of ALL kinds of oppression. Otherwise we would have to set up and support separate homelands for oppressed or discriminated groups like Baha'i, Falun Gong, gays and lesbians, burakumin, women, Jehova's witnesses and so on and so forth.

  • 'Israel is the home of all Jews,' declares a right-wing official (13)
    • This morning, the deputy foreign minister of Israel, Danny Ayalon,

      No, Ze'ev Elkin took his place after the last elections. He fell from grace in Yisrael Beiteinu, when he testified against his former party boss, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, in connection with the appointment of Zeev Ben-Aryeh as ambassador to Latvia.

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile (52)
    • "UNHRC (controlled by human rights luminaries such as Saudi, Syria"

      That doesn't make sense even as propaganda--Saudi Arabia and the Syrian government are enemies. And if you mean the United Nations Human Rights Council, they are extremely critical of Syria. link

      Here's a quote from that organization that is controlled by Syria--

      "In a resolution (A/HRC/25/L.7) on the continuing grave deterioration of the human rights and humanitarian situation in the Syrian Arab Republic, adopted by a vote of 32 in favour, 4 against and 11 abstentions, the Council decides to extend the mandate of the Commission of Inquiry through to the twenty-eighth session of the Human Rights Council, and requests the Commission to present a written report during an interactive dialogue at the twenty-seventh and the twenty-eighth sessions of the Council and to provide an oral update during an interactive dialogue at the twenty-sixth session; demands that the Syrian authorities grant the Commission of Inquiry immediate, full and unfettered access throughout the Syrian Arab Republic; strongly condemns the continued gross, systematic and widespread violations of human rights and all violations of international humanitarian law by the Syrian authorities and affiliated militias that may amount to war crimes or crimes against humanity; demands that all parties demilitarize medical facilities, schools and other civilian facilities; strongly condemns the use of chemical weapons and all indiscriminate methods of warfare in the Syrian Arab Republic; expresses its support for the efforts of the Joint Special Representative of the United Nations and the League of Arab States to find a negotiated political solution to the Syrian crisis; encourages the full participation of women in political talks; strongly condemns the intentional denial of humanitarian assistance to civilians and deplores the deteriorating humanitarian situation; strongly condemns the use by the Syrian authorities of starvation of civilians as a method of combat, and further condemns the besiegement of civilians; further strongly condemns all acts of violence directed against humanitarian actors; and urges the international community to provide urgent financial support to enable the host countries to respond to the growing humanitarian needs of Syrian refugees."

      Yeah, that sure sounds like an organization which is in the Syrian government's pocket.

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile (52)
    • @ asherpat "Since Israel’s judicial system is well respected (eg British supreme court, or whatever they call it now has acknowledged it)"

      Source, date

      "then unless the ICC is a sham like the UNHRC (controlled by human rights luminaries such as Saudi, Syria and Lybia)"

      The same UNHRC Israel seeks to join?

      "then Israel will not be prosecuted"

      Why is it supporters of Israel's illegal activities have no idea of what they're talking about?

      The International Criminal Court (ICC) is an independent, permanent court that tries persons link to icc-cpi.int

  • Mark Halperin excommunicates Rand Paul, over Israel (46)
    • I'm afraid that it probably isn't just the Republican party that does this. I can imagine that the Big Donors may actually not fund a real peace candidate in the Democratic Party like Kucinich because they think the same way: namely, maybe they would actually worry (Imagine that!) that the candidate would push for peace all over the world. Kucinich proposed a Department of Peace. That should be awesome, right? Yes, that Democratic Donors would do this should not make sense to the normal person.

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