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It is sad that in the US, the only source of strong criticism, comes from a fake news show.
The outrage that a lying, interfering leader, conniving with members of congress, manipulating them to give him a platform to sabotage their own President’s foreign policy, was mild. The MSM just loved this entire Netanyahu power play, the arrogance, and Obama getting kicked, by a foreign leader. This is the same attitude when the zionists in the Bush White House was salivating for war with Iraq. The media went along with the lies. In fact some were deliberately doing the war mongering for Cheney and others. The zionist media will fall on their swords for Israel, and never, ever, question what they know are the lies, even if it is against their own countries’ policies and security.
This place is rough. I respond to compliment one of my favorite commenters, for giving us succinctness like Mother used to make, and I get slagged for wearing falsies! I’m telling you it’s ruthless around here.
|| ivreee @ March 4, 2015, 4:23 pm ||
ivreee’s post is a wonderful expression of the hatefulness and immorality that is Zio-supremacism.
Jenin I am with you. I truly believe Benji has lost his mind and the GOP has trouble knowing the difference between country and money.
Our dirty fingers, along with Israel’s, can be found around the world, wherever the US decides which leader should go, and who should be supported to replace him/her. This is part of the strategic support Israel gives us.
And Americans still wonder why we are hated this much.
This “historical” trip, where he made believed he was King of the Jews, and wanted to impress voters at home (at the expense of Obama/WH) seems to have worked for him. An article in Haaretz says that Likud has got back 2 seats they had lost in the polls. His opposition seems weak and unsure.
It must have been some kind of ego trip for Beebs too. A moment in time when he can pretend those applauding him wildly, so many times, are all controlled by him, moved easily, and eager to do his bidding. That is some power trip. These are powerful leaders in the world’s greatest superpower, and he is their puppet master, and they, his obedient servants.
No wonder Sara Netanyahu thinks he should be President of the US.
This is in response to the sign the demonstrator is holding in the photograph. Some years ago Saudi Arabia stopped funding the building of mosques in the US when told that they would be run by and for their American members, rather than for Saudi Arabia’s wishes. Look at the demonstrator’s sign again and ask yourself how many synagogues and Jewish schools encourage people to attend Salute to Israel Day without ever encouraging them to attend American patriotic events, i.e., July 4th celebrations. Instead of the FBI only monitoring mosques shouldn’t such synagogues be monitored for their participation in Israel’s fifth column in the US?
Excellent questions by Mr. Weiss. A parallel question is – WHY does the mainstream media not report on these factors?
And why has the mainstream press not been reporting thoroughly on Netanyahu’s lies? The voters deserve to know when conclusions are based on false premises. Here is excellent run-down on the false self-defense claims in his speech.
link to consortiumnews.com
And here’s an excellent article on the history of the focused campaign of lying by the right wing. It includes their efforts to discredit science, evidence, and rational discussion. This is intentional, and obviously destructive to a just society.
link to salon.com
It seems to me there are many in the media who are ready to talk about the truth. But they have to proceed carefully due to severe threats of career destruction and character assassination. They need the support of a hue and cry from the public, and continuing informed analyses in the truly free press.
The oligarchy is hanging tough. Netanyahu got a bump in the polls from his speech. They may see keeping him in office as important enough to risk the repercussions of his speech. I suspect they’re worried about other crimes coming to light, having to do with getting the Iraq war rolling. This is a time to keep pushing.
Again, all true.
Still, it seems to me that mention must be made of the five dozen Democratic Senators and Congressmen who skipped the mandatory appearance. And many of them did so explicitly as part of a principled boycott.
The Lobby remains strong, no doubt.
But the actual NEWS today, it still seems to me, is good. Kowtowing to Israel and to the Lobby is dog bites man. Fifty plus Congresscritters telling Israel and the Lobby to stuff it is man bites dog.
I have not read the whole speech and it contained rhetorical excesses that I would personally avoid. It is a speech delivered by Bibi Netanyahu and not Herzog, who I prefer, and not Avrum Burg, who is no longer running for office and thus can suggest radical answers rather than predictable stratagems, so no, I do not agree with it. But when it comes down to the essence, it was the fact of the speech rather than any content that will be remembered.
“The most depressing part of it was that there was not a single lawmaker – Republican or Democrat – who dared to resist.”
How about the boycotters? The best way to resist this piece of crap theater, whose very performance is affront not only to humanity and decency, but to the dignity of the USA and its Chief Executive because of the gross breach of protocol, is to not attend it at all. The speech should never have been given, the invitation should never have been extended. Regardless of the content of the speech. Sooo, the best way to make that point is to refuse to listen to it. Particularly in the case of those Reps and Senators who made it clear that they were deliberately and, as a matter of principle, NOT attending.
the mood-map eh? okaaaay ivri.
All true, of course.
Still, to me, the big story is not the odious contents of the speech or its sycophantic reception.
All of that is old news and same ol’, same ol.
The real news, rather, is that over fifty Democratic Senators (and Barry Sanders!) and US Reps dared to skip the speech, many of them explicitly calling their absence intentional and principled (as opposed to merely logistical).
At least one wing of one of two major US political parties (ie the liberal-minority wing of the Dems) now has drawn a line in the sand, for the first time in decades. There is at least some point at which at least this group of elected reps will stick, will not cave to the Lobby, and will say “no” to Israel and its demands as presented by its demented, war criminal leaders.
And that is something new. And something good, too.
If I wanted to throw a nuclear bomb at somebody, but wanted to divert responsibility for it, that’s just what I would do. I’d give field commanders tactical nuclear weapons, and tell them they are only for the direst of emergencies.
And the field commander is disposable. You can say he’s nuts and sack him.
And 1937 was of course the height of the Great Purge.
What word did he use for “enough”? Was it “довольно”?
Thank you, Walid. For recognizing that this horrible situation between Palestinians and Israelis is not just between Palestinians and Israelis. I second your notion to expand the lens beyond the two parties. In fact, instead of calling it the I/P conflict, it should be called the Middle East conflict.
Israel alone is not the driver of Palestinian suffering. Centuries of Western and Eastern empire building, tribalism, clan warfare, oil, colonialism, to name a few, embroil the entire region. There are many factors that contribute to Gaza being under siege and it’s about time the world opened their eyes to it.
Spring has sprung, the grass his riz.
Hopeful signs abound.
I wonder where the compassion of the politicians iz?
it isn’t big enough for the American government they won’t feel it
and shouldn’t it be red white and blue (America paid for it)
also shouldn’t there be background/mood music like ‘stars and strips forever’
(the ones getting screwed should at least get to pick the music)
if ‘we’re going to pay Israel to sodomize us and our children
(like we’re their amimals) at least it’s out in the open
i heard the speech was interesting
turn a page and watch the trained seals jump up, clap and bark
Didn’t Churchill say, “To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.” at a White House lunch? BB-gun should indeed learn from his mentor.
In “The Gulag Archipelago” Solzhenitsyn describes how the mayor of a small town was sent to the Gulag for being the first to stop the applause at a meeting in honor of Stalin’s birthday. This was after the ovation had already continued for 20 minutes.
A bell or buzzer might be used to stop applause. I just watched a video of Stalin being applauded at the Bolshoi Theater in 1937. After several minutes in which repeated ringing of a bell fails to stop the applause — when it dies down someone else always rises to shout “Ura!” and set it going again — Stalin himself intervenes, you can hear him shout “Enough!” and motion with his hand.
This is a rhetorical statement, but I can’t believe the garbage this maniac gets away with. In essence, America co-opts it and continues to let him bite that hand that feeds him. He is a bonafide, war mongering, propaganda spinning, manipulative, rogue. Be careful BN, when you claim to speak for the Jewish people you are creating a lot of misdirected and unjust ire/resentment. Is that part of your ploy? Well, that is an affirmative. You love to spin every conceivable conflict, criticism and area where Israel is culpable into fervent claims of anti-semitism. Please go away.
the point isn;t wether SA will ever be actual ‘friends’ with israel which it very likely won’t. The point is this issue has completely focused on Netanyahu as if there are no other important and significant US allies and regional powers that share Israels view of this so-called deal. Why does the supposedly ‘Zionist controlled ‘ msn not report on how many of the US sunni allies agree with netanyahu w/o acting as if he is their ‘friend’. Only neurotically rabid anti-Zionists would frame the whole issue of a nuclear ME in terms of Israel vs. the world. I don;t suppose you have considered that KSA has enough money to fund its own nuclear bomb and there are others who might want a bomb as well.
“not sure ….about Iran’s sorry state…” lol. of course your “sure”. You are one of the biggest proponents of telling Jews to ‘get over it’ yet you want to keep carping about 1953. Read up on the ‘overthrow’ before you speak. It was mostly instigated by the British Oil lobby (big surprise) who asked the US [CIA] for backing and assistance and would not have happened were there not a significant group of (anti-communist and/or socialist) Iranians that also wanted Mossedegh to be cast out. You want to keep carping about cold-war era FP go ahead but it has very little to do with Irans position vis-a-vis Israel 2015.
Its always a bit humorous when lefties trot out the same old tired tropes and complaints about what the big bad US did post ww2 in various areas like Me and SAmerica. Such a nabob of negativity. No love for the cold war era US at all? Also funny how Iranian people suspiciously had no real public animus towards the US during the Shah era. I guess they were ‘re-educated’ to understand who the ‘great satan’ really was
* who’s “way” were things “trending” before the US “meddled”? Israel was-=for the most part, poor and socialist in ’53 and if there was large oil refinery most likely would have nationalized it.
Hillary is in increasingly hot water. Hillary’s top aides also used secret e-mail accounts.
In the same post, Colonel Lang educates a commenter about what is wrong with Netanyahu making the speech. [I’m breaking it up to make it easier to read]
There is a great deal wrong with this speech before the Congress. Israel is a country that in spite of not having a constitution functions as a parliamentary government.
The PM is a member of the knesset and he derives his actual power from his party or coalition’s majority in the knesset. He wields power as a first among equals. That is why we constantly hear on the news of this committee or that committee meeting to approve an action with the PM as a member.
Our government is nothing like that. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the US Constitution.
In our government the president and the Executive Branch have completely separate powers from those of the Congress. The president is charged with the conduct of foreign policy. He is NOT subject to the authority of Congress in the conduct of foreign policy.
Obama can conclude an agreement with Iran and the other negotiating parties as an executive order. It is only if Obama submits the agreement to the senate for ratification as a treaty that the Congress has a “say’ in this matter.
Many people have argued for the transformation of the United States into a parliamentary democracy but this has never been a popular idea.
Until such a transformation takes place the introduction of the leader of a foreign government to speak from Congress against the foreign policy of the US is a direct assault on our constitutional separation of powers.
That is why it is important. pl.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Chris Matthews’ talking points came from Colonel Lang who elevated a call for his readers to demand a congressional boycott of Netanyahu’s speech to the top of his blog for two days replacing his standard sticky about his own books.
Because the points were the same. Here it is: Write to your members of Congress! Stop Bibi!
This man is in the United States for the specific purpose of wrenching control of US foreign policy from the hands of our elected president and the Executive Branch of the federal government.
He does not shrink from saying that this attempt is all about his country and what he imagines are its interests and that he does not care if the interests of our country are damaged by his efforts. […]
Their behavior reminds of a scene in the movie “The Concert.” One of the characters, an old timey communist, enjoys the chance to go to Paris where he hooks up with his old socialist buddies. One of them recalls the glorious convention of 1966 when their party got “%110″ of the vote. Ah, yes, one to them says, no one ever did better!
When BB (big bullshitter) repeatedly said to Congress members “you stand with Israel”…”I know that you stand with Israel” He means that literally. Wonder if any of the political cartoonist will show BB in front of the curtain with a remote control switching it to on every time he wanted congressional members to hop to their feet?
Jezebel is a great name.
“weren’t the British brass similarly misguided about Hitler?”
Well, no, actually.
Britain always had a small army (mainly used for policing the Empire) and a huge navy (for protecting trade routes). The Royal Navy was the largest in the world until overtaken by the US Navy during WW2. For all his faults, Chamberlain, realising in the 1930s the danger posed by Nazi Germany, made good strategic decisions. The army was mechanised (but lost most of its capability at Dunkirk, when all its armour and mechanised transport had to be abandoned, hence the string of defeats until late 1942). The navy was modernised, and always outclassed the German navy. Most importantly, the airforce developed the most sophisticated air defence system of its time, hence the defeat of the German airforce in the Battle of Britain. Chamberlain is much maligned (e.g. there was nothing Britain could do to save landlocked Czechoslovakia in 1938) and Churchill, great as he was, often overrated.
There was no point to the speech. It was more showbiz than anything else.
Former IAEA weapons inspector Scott Ritter has a great one up over at Huff Po.
Bibi’s Blustery Blunder:
“The concept of being lectured on the threat of nuclear proliferation in the Middle East by the larges proliferator of nuclear weapons in the Middle East is a bit disconcerting” Classic.
However far more than “disconcerting.” The definition of pure arrogance and hypocrisy.
Going to ask Scott to come over to Mondoweiss page of Netanyahu’s transcript maybe he will join in on the grey fact checking opportunities. Never know.. Never hurts to ask
Very good questions, mooser. Those ancient Jews didn’t even have meat thermometers, you know. So how could the offerings count ?
I am surprised Annie that you don`t read the mood-map even in your own country. The comprehensive violence in Arabia or those involving Islamists all around the world has all but annulled the interest in this “old” story called Palestinians. They had been at the center podium for quite a few decades but that`s gone – even in Arabia (Egypt just listed Hamas as a terrorist group). I am sure Americans yawn when they see these ads – resurrected from the dead. These people might just as well start a Red Indians Advocacy Project.
Thanks for the link Phillip.Very informative.
“…recordings of Hitler speeches. There was nothing like that much applause ”
Hard to clap when you’re carrying a blazing Olympic torch (yes, that’s where the “tradition” of the Olympic torch started).
Think of speeches by “great leaders” before what Americans called totalitarian politburos. Do the Chinese (no disrespect meant) applaud so much? The Russians? Did the politburo of the USSR applaud so much? (And how was it when Mussolini and Hitler spoke?)
And did those “legislators” get re-elected with such perfect regularity as ours seem to do? Ahh, the power of money and “the greatest Congress that money can buy.”
These guys might not always be able to walk a straight line, in the evening you know?, but they sure know how to walk a straight party line.
Lookin’ good, there, Congress!
Much has been made of the various influences on Prime Minister Netanyahu. A thesis could be written—perhaps by a scholar of psychology rather than politics—arguing that he sits at the center of a triangle formed by his father, his wife, and his brother. His father, Benzion, who died, aged 102, in 2012, served as private secretary to Vladimir Jabotinsky—the founder of Revisionist Zionism, the maximalist creed that insisted on a Jewish state holding the entire, biblically-defined Land of Israel (which would include the West Bank, Gaza and all of what is now Jordan).
Nevertheless, the most obvious mentor is the one Bibi never met. Netanyahu has been re-enacting the Churchill story for more than two decades: as a junior member of the Knesset, he was warning that Iran was just “three to five years” away from a nuclear bomb back in 1992. He’s sounded the same alarm at intervals ever since. We are always on the brink, he is always the lone wise man, able to hear the rumble of the gathering storm.
The great value of Churchill syndrome to one who suffers from it is that it is self-vindicating. The more Netanyahu’s warnings of the Tehran menace are dismissed, the greater his similarity to the cigar-chomping seer who was fatefully ignored in the 1930s. True, even Israel’s own defense and intelligence chiefs think Netanyahu is wrong on Tehran—the former Mossad boss Meir Dagan has described the prime minister’s approach as “stupid”—but weren’t the British brass similarly misguided about Hitler?
None of this bothers Bibi. Isolation only convinces him he’s right. Much as he loves the adoration of Congress, which has become a home venue, the hatred of his enemies makes him stronger. Because it makes him more like you know who.
As if to confirm the Israeli PM’s historical fantasy, his host, House Speaker John Boehner—whose unilateral invitation triggered the whole controversy— presented him with a parting gift, a statue of the only world leader besides Netanyahu to have been granted the privilege of speaking to Congress three times. The Israeli prime minister left Washington with his very own bust of Winston Churchill.
Drooling legislative leaders and Pavlov’s dogs.
“Yesterday I learned that my concert at The Royal Northern College of Music this coming Thursday had been cancelled due to Zionist pressure.”
Just in case there’s anybody (besides me, of course) who doesn’t know: Gilad Atzmon, besides his writing and commentary, has another, and very successful career as a Jazz saxophonist and performer.
“Gilad Atzmon is a British Jazz artist and author. Gilad was born in Israel in 1963 and trained at the Rubin Academy of Music, Jerusalem (Composition and Jazz). A multi-instrumentalist he plays saxophones, clarinet and ethnic woodwind instruments . His album Exile was the BBC jazz album of the year in 2003. He was described by John Lewis at the Guardian as the “hardest-gigging man in British jazz.” Atzmon tours extensively around the world. His albums, of which he has recorded fifteenth albums to date, often explore political themes and the music of the Middle East?”
link to gilad.co.uk
I just got the e-mail about this, but I am pretty sure that a Gilad Atzmon Jazz performance is almost entirely music, and not any kind of political event. He, and the other performers in the group, or groups will play music.
And the Zionists are threatening to bust it up, or maybe even do a drive-by? Cute.
23 standing ovations? Did I count that right?
Did Israeli television carry the applause, or was that some of what they cut?
Do any films of complete speeches of Stalin survive? It would be interesting to compare the length of the applause there. (I have watched films and listened to recordings of Hitler speeches. There was nothing like that much applause.)
Someone asked how other countries reported the news.
It is headline news here in the Netherlands in some of the papers and very prominent in others. (I skipped the rags.) The comments do not ridicule American congress or the influence of the pro-Israel lobby. They are about the insult to the Obama administration, the split it causes within American politics, portraits on Netanyahu’s background and why he is so obsessed with Iran (and was with Irak) getting nuclear arms, even when his own intelligence agencies contradict him. (This included lists of his false predictions over the years of an Iranian bomb being imminent.)
They were all strongly critical of Netanyahu’s speech and the whole enterprise, warning that messing up a peacful deal with Iran would have very serious global consequences.
I was not dissappointed, but do not read all newspapers. (I saw Trouw, NRC and Volkskrant.)
When Dick and Jane figure out what dajooz have been doing it won’t be as Hoppy says it will be.
The system is rotten. It would be better to dismantle it now while the going is good.
You know, Seafoid, it’s always struck me as weird. Why “burnt-offerings”? Why not “medium-rare offerings” or “offerings, drizzled with a light chocolate sauce ” or even “deep-fried offerings”. Or how about “whipped and frozen fruit-flavored offerings”?
I myself, would not attempt to propitiate Jehovah, an angry and (by all accounts) dyspeptic “G-D” with the stuff the customers sent back to the kitchen for being over-cooked!
No wonder we get it so rough sometimes.
Through three painful hours of careful counting, I compiled statistics on the incidence of applause.
thank you ben! much appreciated!
I watched the whole speech and to be honest , I am not sure which part was more infuriating.Netanyahu,s blatant lies or the congress critters submissive adoration of this criminal war monger who was attempting to convince , correction , ordering them to send the children of their constituents to die for Israel.
I wonder how many of the Congress critter,s off spring will be in the front line taking fire.
Thanks for the report Ben, it puts the whole sham in perspective .It was all claptrap and clapclap.
The losers in Congress remind me of poor Abu Zubaydah who was tortured beyond sanity by the CIA. Menendez would prolly vote Israel for nothing.
“The report suggests Abu Zubaydah was a broken man after his extensive interrogations. In CIA documents he is described as having become so compliant that “when the interrogator raised his eyebrows” he would walk to the “water table” and sit down. The interrogator only had to snap his fingers twice for Abu Zabaydah to lie down, ready for water-boarding, the report says.”
“At times Abu Zubaydah was described as ‘hysterical’ and ‘distressed to the level that he was unable effectively to communicate’. Waterboarding sessions ‘resulted in immediate fluid intake and involuntary leg, chest and arm spasms’ and ‘hysterical pleas’. In at least one waterboarding session, Abu Zubaydah ‘became completely unresponsive, with bubbles rising through his open, full mouth’ … Abu Zubaydah remained unresponsive until medical intervention, when he regained consciousness and ‘expelled copious amounts of liquid’.”
Another group who are broken to the point where they accept their fate is young prostitutes in Asia. The process is known as seasoning
Abu Zubaydah, Asian prostitutes and virtually the entire population of the US Congress, in theory amongst the most powerful people in the world – who woulda thunk ?
Am I the only one that still cringes at the term ‘Jewish plutocrat’ ?
RE: “Over one quarter of Netanyahu’s speech to Congress consisted of applause and standing ovations”
MY COMMENT: The U.S. Congress is such a bunch of yo-yos!*
* SEE: “Bibi and the Yo-Yos”, by Uri Avnery, Antiwar.com, 05/26/11
[EXCERPT] It was all rather disgusting.
There they were, the members of the highest legislative bodies of the world’s only superpower, flying up and down like so many yo-yos, applauding wildly, every few minutes or seconds, the most outrageous lies and distortions of Binyamin Netanyahu.
It was worse than the Syrian parliament during a speech by Bashar Assad, where anyone not applauding could find himself in prison. Or Stalin’s Supreme Soviet, when showing less than sufficient respect could have meant death.
What the American Senators and Congressmen feared was a fate worse than death. Anyone remaining seated or not applauding wildly enough could have been caught on camera – and that amounts to political suicide. It was enough for one single congressman to rise and applaud, and all the others had to follow suit. Who would dare not to?
The sight of these hundreds of parliamentarians jumping up and clapping their hands, again and again and again and again, with the Leader graciously acknowledging with a movement of his hand, was reminiscent of other regimes. Only this time it was not the local dictator who compelled this adulation, but a foreign one.
The most depressing part of it was that there was not a single lawmaker – Republican or Democrat – who dared to resist. When I was a 9 year old boy in Germany, I dared to leave my right arm hanging by my side when all my schoolmates raised theirs in the Nazi salute and sang Hitler’s anthem. Is there no one in Washington DC who has that simple courage? Is it really Washington IOT – Israel Occupied Territory – as the anti-Semites assert? . . . [ANSWER: Yes, it is; and there are many other “occupiers”. Like the military-industrial complex. And, the NRA. And, Big Pharma. And, the too-big-to-fail banks. And, Wall Street. And, the Chamber of Commerce. And . . . (continued ad nauseam) ~ J.L.D.]
ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to original.antiwar.com
Wait a minute, you can’t use trefe animals as burnt-offerings. I don’t know what I was thinking. But don’t let the frummers near the budgies!.
A song for BB:
Once more thank you for this…. John Trudell is very inspirational.
“…….no relationship to Being…. protect your Spirit “! Very hard to keep hanging onto these days !
That makes NO sense.
How can a state be legal and sovereign when, as you have said above, it does not have legal borders? Where does this state’s sovereignty begin and end?
Which, as you’ve just said, Israel has never ever had.
One of the requirements of a state is that it has legally defined borders. Without such borders, how can Israel qualify as a state?
Shortly after The Battle for Justice in Palestine came out last spring, I had the opportunity to read the book and to host and interview Ali at Firedoglake’s (now defunct) Book Salon.
Glad to see it doing well in this poll. The book is just as relevant now as it was when it came out. I highly recommend it as a reference, particularly on BDS and on campus activism issues.
“Isn’t the state of Israel itself illegal?”
Good question. No, because there is no higher system of law that can say that the creation of a sovereign state is either legal or illegal: that is the meaning of sovereign. If a new State is declared, and satisfies the criteria of the Montevideo Convention (population, defined territory, government, capacity to enter into relations with other states-i.e is recognized by at least one other state) then that State exists.
International law covers relations between existing States (and between States and non-self-governing territories).
Jewish plutocrat money is the great unmentionable. Just watch the football or Bruce Jenner’s transformation , kids. Do not look at the money.
in the link to nytimes.com opinion pages
Netanyahu’s Nuclear Deceptions
A Response to Netanyahu From Iran’s Ambassador to the U.N.
Netanyahu said at congress
The U.N.’s nuclear watchdog agency, the IAEA, said again yesterday that Iran still refuses to come clean about its military nuclear program.
Yet, in his speech this week, Mr. Netanyahu claimed the agency had determined that Iran had “a military nuclear program.” This is a gross distortion of the agency’s position. The “possible military dimensions,” which Mr. Netanyahu amplifies on every available occasion, are based not on the agency’s findings but on referrals by other member states with their own political agendas. In one case, in 2012, a former agency director dismissed such a report “because there was no chain of custody for the paper, no clear source, document markings, date of issue or anything else that could establish its authenticity.”
Ah yes, dabakerboy misses out the crucial region why Israel was so suddenly solicitous of Nigeria: to garner a vote in the UN against Palestinian statehood
link to al-monitor.com
Looks like those efforts haven’t gone astray. Self-interest rules, nothing to do with humanitarianism.
I was having the same thoughts independently Amigo but less eloquently. Interesting how they choose their battlegrounds.
” unilateral declaration of borders cannot be made ‘de jure’ by the United States or any number on non-neighboring states. ”
The state of Israel was never accepted by any of its neighbours at the time either. Even now, only a handful of Arab states recognise it. So, going by your argument, isn’t the state of Israel itself illegal? After all, unilateral declaration of a state cannot be made ‘de jure’ by the United States or any number on non-neighboring states.
lol, thankyou seafoid. A picture is worth a thousand words. Can’t wait for the remake.
|| amigo: No Hoppy, no Ivri or mayhem here.
No erudite yonah to cry a tear.
No zionist anywhere in sight.
When zionist dogs are having a bite. ||
I look all around, but still do not see
Mikhael, DaBakr or even JeffB.
They love to ignore the beam in their eye –
a clear DoubleStandard…say, where is that guy?
“WOW!! I wouldn’t be seen dead wearing a bosom!”
Oh, I’ve got a hell of a rack, in season. Besides, it draws attention away from my dewlap.
You’re assuming it’s all carrot and no stick. I suspect there’s also some blackmail involved.
@DeBakr: ““Mike Omeri, the spokesman of the national information center, says Israel has been supportive of Nigeria in the fight against insurgency.”
Thanks, but I was thinking that what you meant by “Israelis offer help all over the globe to peoples who either need aid…” was more on the order of drying the tears of the widows and orphans, or helping the blind to see. Not helping to use violence in a vain attempt to solve problems that cannot be solved by violence. link to theglobeandmail.com
A good example of offering help to peoples who need aid would be what Cuba and Venezuela have done to prevent blindness by providing free cataract surgery to poor people throughout Central and South America. link to peoplesworld.org link to news.bbc.co.uk
Another good example is how Cuba educates low-income students from all over the world, for free, in its medical schools, if the students promise to serve in poor communities for a specified number of years. Or how Cuba sends health care workers–mostly physicians!–to poor communities all over the world, to live with and care for the poor.
Treating other people with respect and compassion can work even for non-governmental entities. For example, Jimmy Carter and his foundation have been working since 1986 to eradicate a gruesome parasitic infection called Guinea worm disease. “Guinea worm disease struck about 3.5 million people worldwide every year in the 1980s. That number was down to 126 cases in 2014, raising hopes that the debilitating disease may soon become a page in history.” link to livescience.com
President Carter doesn’t even have a poor country, like Cuba, or a rich country, like Israel, behind him, and yet see what he has been able to do for “peoples who need aid.”
Not seeing any similar Israeli examples. Just saying.
“To date, the de jure border of Israel has not been changed since it was proclaimed and recognized.” Yes, the border of Israel has not been changed, agreed.
BUT, it wasn’t recognized by its neighbors. Surely, two states have to agree on their mutual border before it can be said to be ‘de jure’. A unilateral declaration of borders cannot be made ‘de jure’ by the United States or any number on non-neighboring states. If the Arabs had agreed to accept the partition line as a border in 1949, there would have been strong pressure on Israel to accept it, or give territorial compensation. But they cannot reasonably come back 67 years later saying that they will accept it now, having conducted in the meantime an armed campaign to liberate all of Palestine from Zionist rule.
Please do not argue about this any more. It is irrelevant to the current situation. There is zero possibility that Israel will go back to the Partition Line. There is a small possibility that Israel could be forced to give some territorial compensation for territory stolen in 1948-49. Let’s concentrate on that.
Or Chris may have gotten a signal from management that now he is free to criticize Netanyahu.
Same goes for Amanpour.
“Thanks again, Father.”
Lox Vobiscum my son, go in peace whether it be to Minsk or Pinsk, or perhaps you will see a sign the road to damning us.
Hopmi, I’m making arrangements to have your comment “The Phils Will Fall Away” engraved on copper-plate, no, laser-burned into titanium, so it can be saved forever.
I am Irish and living here in Ireland and I felt embarrassed by the obscene spectacle I witnessed yesterday.
I hope the average American realises just what has been foisted on them and makes their voice heard in the right place.I hope also that Obama has a plan to leak some damaging tidbits about the Lobby and it,s antics not to mention it,s efforts to get Americans to shed their blood for an ungrateful , greedy self serving tin pot nation that could care less about America or the people who through their taxes keep the zionist entity ticking over.
Menendez $ 341K
That’s all they get?
They’re selling out for Peanuts!
I do not know why you are reproducing the whole text. I was merely pointing out that the word ”signed” was used.
I’m super shocked to see Jon Stewart covering up for Israel and the lobby. Yeah, it’s all Republicans, amirite? No wonder Chris Rock even refuses to call him a liberal, instead claiming he is “center-left, more to the center”.
His analogies were disgusting anyway. Won’t be sad to see him go(but I will miss Colbert).
Btw, I don’t think this controversy is dead yet. Bibi will go nuclear once the deal is announced and his allies in the U.S. will, too.
Anthony Blinken, the deputy security advisor has basically said that he sees this conflict dragging on for the next two years. Hillary may come in and try to change the equation but the grassroots have shifted. Huffington Post has been going nuclear on this story for days leading up to it, even as most of the established liberal media, like the NYT, wrote about it but didn’t place it on their frontpage as prominently as HuffPo.
HuffPo is much closer to the base and they in many ways reflect it, just like the NYT’s commenters do rather than the arcance and aged editorial board.
@ David Gerald Fincham “Correction to mine of March 3, 2015, 7:10 am
“It does mean that armistice line could NOT be the final border”. –>
It does NOT mean that armistice line could NOT be the final border”
Indeed it could be, after the border had been changed. The Armistice Agreement certainly didn’t change it. To date, the de jure border of Israel has not been changed since it was proclaimed and recognized.
Unless their toast was ergot on rhye.
Pumpernickel vision is king! Just ask the Salem witches.
What is it that the Press refuse to explain? Self monitoring occurs, it occurs here also. That is the fear of the AIPAC Lobby.
The Press fear The One and Only, fear inducing, Jewish Lobby AIPAC, which include the Christian Zionist lobby of preachers along with a media elite that would blast anyone of the reporters who would start to broach the subject without permission into the realm of unemployed and persona non grata. How many past examples do we not have of relatively major reporters (msm types) being blasted into the ether-sphere and labeled as untouchables for transgressing the unwritten unutterable law of Thou shalt not speak evil of Israel but especially do not mention the Jewish Lobby AIPAC.
The Lobby, “night flower”, enforces this law like we have all seen over the years.
The problem isn’t American anti semitism, but the fear induced upon us all by a lobby that has called itself the “night flower” because they prefer to operate in the dark without attention being brought upon them. Now what do you think is the solution for a night flower Lobby that hates the light? Sunshine as disinfectant and good riddance. But not many are willing to pay the ultimate price and thus the conversation here is monitored as to not insult anyones sensibilities.
The minions that they influence to make phone calls and accuse news media or business interests of that most dreaded of all accusations have the affect of making them walk the walk or be subjected to a shmearing with the dreaded accusation. Those who support the Lobby only fear one thing, being labeled more loyal to Israel than to the U.S.
This will all play itself out based on how long it will take for the masses to realize this and pushback on their political appointees. Hopefully it doesn’t happen during a financial upheaval when populations are more likely to blame anyone for the things they are going through.
The Lobby is an arrogant lot.
@ David Gerald Fincham
“Section F. When… the declaration and undertaking…have been SIGNED…
F. ADMISSION TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS
When the independence of either the Arab or the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them … link to unispal.un.org
Of course, but any good journalist would come back with, So how are attacks on Syria’s regime forces NOT helping ISIS, given that Syria is in a life and death struggle with ISIS?
I have read this book.Bought it just before the operation protective slaughter last summer and read it on the train to the protests in Dublin.I just voted for his book which is still number two (but way ahead of the next nearest – 69 votes) at 28 % (333 thumbs up ) .
Way to go Ali .
Harry: Hope you are right about the rest of the world.
My own take is that Iran would not be more or less of a threat to anyone if it did have a nuke. How would it use it other than to make it less likely that Israel/India/Pakistan would use a nuke against Iran. IMO we and P5+1 should drop the sanctions and let Iran (like Cuba) live its life untrammelled. Doing no harm. And be nice for Israel to have to think once in a while before starting its cruel aggressions.
P.S. FROM WIKIPEDIA [Pay to play]:
[EXCERPT] Pay to play, sometimes pay for play, is a phrase used for a variety of situations in which money is exchanged for services or the privilege to engage (play) in certain activities. The common denominator of all forms of pay to play is that one must pay to “get in the game,” with the sports analogy frequently arising.
• In politics [See also: Political corruption]
In politics, pay to play refers to a system, akin to payola in the music industry, by which one pays (or must pay) money to become a player.
Typically, the payer (an individual, business, or organization) makes campaign contributions to public officials, party officials, or parties themselves, and receives political or pecuniary benefit such as no-bid government contracts, influence over legislation, political appointments or nominations, special access or other favors. The contributions, less frequently, may be to nonprofit or institutional entities, or may take the form of some benefit to a third party, such as a family member of a governmental official.
The phrase, almost always used in criticism, also refers to the increasing cost of elections and the “price of admission” to even run and the concern “that one candidate can far outspend his opponents, essentially buying the election.”
While the direct exchange of campaign contributions for contracts is the most visible form of Pay to Play, the greater concern is the central role of money in politics, and its skewing both the composition and the policies of government. Thus, those who can pay the price of admission, such as to a $1000/plate dinner or $25,000 “breakout session,” gain access to power and/or its spoils, to the exclusion of those who cannot or will not pay: “giving certain people advantages that other[s] don’t have because they donated to your campaign.” Good-government advocates consider this an outrage because “political fundraising should have no relationship to policy recommendations.” Citizens for Responsible Ethics in Washington called the “Pay-to-Play Congress” one of the top 10 scandals of 2008.
Incumbent candidates and their political organizations are typically the greatest beneficiaries of Pay-to-Play. Both the Democratic and Republican parties have been criticized for the practice. Many seeking to ban or restrict the practice characterize pay-to-play as legalized corruption. . .
SOURCE – link to en.wikipedia.org
One of Israel’s exports is fear. They manufacture and test it in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza and distribute it to the USA through a huge network of lobbyists, media, speakers, college campuses and, of course, the United States Congress. They have developed international versions of fear and know just how to infiltrate the American psyche–Jewish, not-Jewish and Christian fundamentalists. This particular variety of fear has gone viral, and has become self-renewing and self-amplifying, washing all the brains in its path.
“Gaza woman told to coordinate wedding date with Israeli army”
Not under occupation … right? Someone should tell the IDF!
RE: “The congressmen who gave Bibi an ovation for a speech that offers nothing new, only the old, is disgraceful. Are they trying to placate the Jewish Lobby in hopes of securing hundreds of millions in donations? “ ~ ScottW in his NYT comment
SEE: “As a Muslim and Iranian-American I Am Delighted Netanyahu Will Speak to Congress”, by Muhammad Sahimi, March 02, 2015
[EXCERPT] . . . This is a Congress whose member Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) told Netanyahu last December, “You [Netanyahu], above all others, have said that sanctions [imposed on Iran] are what got Iran to the table, and it will be the only thing that brings them to a deal that we can all live with. I’m here to tell you, Mr. Prime Minister, that the Congress will follow your lead” [emphasis is mine], hence asking the head of a foreign government to tell the US how to conduct its policy in the Middle East.
To Graham, who received $279,150* in campaign contributions from pro-Israel groups for his last re-election, and must pander to Israel’s ardent supporters in South Carolina, namely, the Christian Zionists that make up the majority of the white voters in his state, it is more important to call for and support massive military attacks on Iran than helping this country get out of the vicious cycle of wars in the Middle East that the United States has been involved with since the 1990s. If this is not undue and harmful influence of a lobby, I do not know what is or can be.
Contributions totaling $279,150 for election cycle 2014.
This is a Congress whose member, Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) who received $341,170** from pro-Israel groups in the last election, is one of the most vocal and active proponents of sanctioning Iran, which he insists – against the 2007 judgment of the US intelligence community, reaffirmed in 2010, 2011, and 2012 – is on the verge of weaponizing nuclear material. With his fellow Senator Mark Kirk (R-IL) – “AIPAC’s million-dollar baby”*** – Menendez co-authored a 2011 sanctions law that effectively cut Iran’s central bank off from the rest of the world, making it exceedingly difficult for the country to sell its oil abroad and leading to a rapid downturn in the Iranian economy, harming tens of millions of innocent Iranians. . .
* Contributions totaling $279,150 to Sen. Graham for election cycle 2014. Contributions data provided by the Center for Responsive Politics. – link to maplight.org
** Contributions totaling $341,170 to Sen. Menendez for election cycle 2012. Contributions data provided by the Center for Responsive Politics. – link to maplight.org . . .
*** “AIPAC’s million-dollar baby” – link to huffingtonpost.com
ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to original.antiwar.com
Time to follow your leader ‘home‘ then, I’d say, Mr.
No, it’s not a goiter, it’s a dewlap!
WOW!! I wouldn’t be seen dead wearing a bosom!
Brilliant piece that begs the question whether Netanyahu is delusional or whether he has already reached the same conclusions that Phil sets forth here. I expected Netanyahu to withdraw with a suitable excuse, because this exercise only accelerates the decline of the Israel Lobby, and his advisers from the Reut Institute and other luminaries will have told him so.
I was wrong, obviously, but I think it may mean something more ominous than delusion. I fear that Netanyahu and others in the leadership of Israel may have decided that the decline of their influence in the US (which they have been expecting for a very long time) is now at hand, and that they might as well use the clout they have while it’s still there, and then make the transition to a different mode of survival.
This is potentially very dangerous, because Israel’s entire survival strategy has been based on crushing whatever stands in their way. If anything, Israel is likely to become even more paranoid than it is now.
Hoppy might be salvageable, Mooser, with a suitable muzzle. But he would need a strict owner and walks daily. Humping the hasbara table by its legs is becoming less and less socially acceptable, even amongst Hillel groups on campus.
As far as I know, very few attack dogs can be re-socialized when their “working life” is over, and must be put down. But I keep on thinking that if the fifteen-year-old kid Phil talked in Jerusalem has his way, they can have a much more ceremonial end.