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Annie Robbins
October 31, 2014, 11:08 pm

shmuel, i’m not so sure what’s going on since haaretz scrubbed their link.

just
October 31, 2014, 11:03 pm

“‘The Danger is Decreasing, Yehuda Glick Will Recover’
Head of Shaare Tzedek trauma clinic announces Glick’s vital points were missed, ‘will return to almost fully normal lifestyle.”

link to israelnationalnews.com

Any photos must be ‘super duper respected’. Ahem.

Kay24
October 31, 2014, 10:41 pm

The AlJazeera America documentary about the USS Liberty being deliberately bombed by Israel is going on right now. So interesting. They played tapes of never before heard recordings of the Israeli pilots, clearly stating it was an American vessel. What dirty rats.

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 10:30 pm

Did they run a diphenylamine test on Feiglin after the Glick shooting?

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 10:21 pm

And, ‘Jon s’, you know, much, much better than I do, why the “edit” function had to be removed.

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 10:19 pm

“$136 a day?! Where did you come up with that?”

That Israel will pay settlers to move into illegal settlements? Must be some “anti-Israeli writer”.

Annie Robbins
October 31, 2014, 9:54 pm

that’s fantastic news! he also became eligible to be in the Worldwide Act nominees

Out of nearly 300 potential Worldwide Act noms, just 35 advanced to round 2 of voting, when EMA voters selected their regional representative in the Worldwide Act race. And now, those 10 final nominees have been announced!

link to tv.mtvema.com

and he made it in the top 10 ;)

Africa/India/Middle East: Mohammed Assaf
Australia/New Zealand: 5 Seconds of Summer
Europe Central: Revolverheld
Europe East: Dawid Kwiatkowski
Europe North: One Direction
Europe South: Alessandra Amoroso
Japan/Korea: B.A.P
Latin America: Dulce Maria
North America: Fifth Harmony
Southeast Asia/China & Hong Kong/Taiwan:Bibi Zhou

Voting is open until 11:59PM CET on Saturday 8 November—that’s less than a day before the big show broadcasts from Glasgow at 9pm CET on Sunday 9 November! So get to clicking and tapping…this is your chance to take your favourite artist all the way to the top of the world!

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 9:50 pm

If Glick is in critical condition, wouldn’t there be updates from the hospital on his condition? And no photos of the wounded Glick?

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 9:48 pm

“The Zionist view of Jerusalem as exclusively Jewish is from a version of reality that does not exist in reality.”

Yonah Fredman is very concerned about Jerusalem, and who it belongs to.

Annie Robbins
October 31, 2014, 9:45 pm

omg, the haaretz link that was just there has now been scrubbed! i went back to where i found it originally and it’s been scrubbed there too. but i found it on the twitter page and took a screenshot of it(on the google page) . i think they are trying to erase evidence of it.

right now it looks like this on google

Netanyahu responds to U.S.: I am under attack for … – Haaretz
link to haaretz.com
Haaretz
3 days ago – … the easiest thing to do is to concede. You get a round of applause, ceremonies on grassy knolls, and then come the missiles and the tunnels.”.

btw, the end of that link after the “news/” is “news/diplomacy-defense/1.623356″

lonely rico
October 31, 2014, 9:43 pm

O/T from the

” … official site of Sweden” link to sweden.se

Discover a country where the moose is king

And they just recognized Palestine !

Hmm …

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 9:42 pm

I think the “ceremonies on a grassy knoll” is a reference to Itzak Rabin, and his assassination.

“When there are pressures on Israel to concede its security, the easiest thing to do is to concede,” he said. “You get a round of applause, ceremonies on grassy knolls…”

kalithea
October 31, 2014, 9:37 pm

Using grassy knoll in any context where the U.S. is being addressed in some manner is a deliberate attempt to offend, deliver a veiled threat and is typical Israeli bully-talk. On the surface, Netanyahoo pretends to allude to the consequences of Rabin yielding to U.S. pressure, but below the surface he is taking direct aim at Obama from behind a grassy knoll of political deception.

One should also put Israel’s nuclear activities at the time of Kennedy’s assassination into a context of similar U.S. pressure, but perhaps more relentless and imminently threatening and the options that Israelis considered to deflect and deter such an imminent threat of exposure. Maybe Netanyahoo’s almost flippant and cocky use of this very charged expression betrays that he might know something we don’t know but may have suspected and then quickly dismissed as too outrageous.

Oh, and grassy knoll is so red hot politically incorrect that it’s impossible for the media not to have picked up on it immediately, but then why would the Zionist media open that closet door?

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 9:34 pm

“Two women in the picture. They are the only ones without a weapon.”

Yeah, the weight of a weapon slows the girls down when they’re running pizza and soft-drinks out to the front-line soldiers.

Annie Robbins
October 31, 2014, 9:22 pm

and thank you just. i love your energy.

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 9:12 pm

“He’s practically begging the Israelis to be smarter, that’s all.”

I don’t know why Friedman thinks the Israelis are holding out on us. I think they are being as smart as they can, and giving the problem the benefit of all their intelligence.

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 9:09 pm

You know Dave, I hadn’t thought of that, the fact that a “two-state solution” no matter what other virtues it may have, does nothing for the Jim Crow-like conditions in Israel. Nowhere have I ever seen any suggestion that it would, should or could, either.

Shmuel
October 31, 2014, 8:54 pm

The Hebrew word Netanyahu used was מדשאות – lawn(s) – a clear reference to the White House lawn (called מדשאות הבית הלבן in Hebrew).

link to haaretz.co.il

just
October 31, 2014, 8:54 pm

Feiglin and his extremists and Israel are in a violent fight against Palestinians.

Period.

Not “extreme Islam”.

Donald
October 31, 2014, 8:39 pm

The Friedman piece you cite is awful. Yes, he says that Israel is heading down a dead end, but you’ll notice that he also says that Israel is heading down that dead end with “strong arguments”. What are those strong arguments? Well, here’s the extended quote, followed by what I think Friedman is up to–
—————————————————–
“The Israeli right today, led by Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu, has some really strong arguments for maintaining the status quo — arguments that in the long run are deadly for Israel as a Jewish democratic state.

“It is the definition of tragedy,” said the Hebrew University philosopher Moshe Halbertal. “You have all these really good arguments for maintaining a status quo that will destroy you.”

What arguments? Israel today is surrounded on four out of five borders — South Lebanon, Gaza, Sinai and Syria — not by states but by militias, dressed as civilians, armed with rockets and nested among civilians. No other country faces such a threat. When Israeli commanders in the Golan Heights look over into Syria today, they see Russian and Iranian military advisers, along with Syrian Army units and Hezbollah militiamen from Lebanon, fighting jihadist Sunni militias — and the jihadists are usually winning. “They’re much more motivated,” an Israeli defense official told me.

That is not a scene that inspires risk-taking on the West Bank, right next to Israel’s only international airport. The fact that Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and Hamas took over there in 2007 and then devoted most of its energies to fighting Israel rather than building Palestine also does not inspire risk-taking to move away from the status quo. Israel offered Hamas a cease-fire eight days into the Gaza war, but Hamas chose to expose its people to vast destruction and killing for 43 more days, hoping to generate global pressure on Israel to make concessions to Hamas. It was sick; it failed; and it’s why some Gazans are trying to flee Hamas rule today.

————————————–

Friedman is clearly doing his best to portray Israel in the best light possible–he defends Israel’s conduct in the Gaza War, blames Hamas for the deaths, and doesn’t mention that the “concessions” Hamas wanted was the end of the blockade that hurt all Gazans.

Friedman clearly thinks that it is more important to lie about these things than to tell the unvarnished truth. He’s trying to appeal to hardline ZIonists by adopting their view (which is probably close to his anyway) while urging them to accept the sort of solution Kerry would shove down the throats of Palestinians, if only Israel would go along. Friedman is upset because if the Israelis were a bit more rational, they could still keep all the land they’ve stolen, including big chunks of the West Bank they already have. And if the Palestinians rejected this deal, then Friedman would gladly join the entire American political class in blaming them for the conflict.

Friedman recognizes that Netanyahu is stupid, but he’s not a friend of Palestinians. Not in the slightest. He’s practically begging the Israelis to be smarter, that’s all.

Boomer
October 31, 2014, 8:36 pm

I had not seen or heard any mention of this elsewhere in the news. For me, it is a reminder that elements within the U.S. wanted to help Israel’s nuclear program despite Kennedy’s efforts to rein it in. Soon after JFK’s death, nuclear material from a plant in the U.S. made its way to Israel, under circumstances that have never been made clear, although a declassified GAO report provides considerable information: link to original.antiwar.com Whether or not supporters of Israel were involved in killing JFK, the possibility that this was the case . . . like the “ambiguous” existence of Israel’s nuclear arsenal, been something that politicians since then could not ignore. I would interpret this “grassy knoll” remark as a not-so-veiled reminder that such an event has not been unthinkable for the past 50 years.

Annie Robbins
October 31, 2014, 8:23 pm

haaretz reported it too link to haaretz.com

elliot, what part of yonah’s remark stands? even in hebrew the term is used to describe kennedy’s assassination. unless maybe you can find us another source in hebrew using the term “grassy knoll” without reference to kennedy. start searching!

ps, and as far as i know the WH lawn doesn’t have any grassy knolls. i think the context is cryptic but either he used that phrase or not. i can’t imagine a translator or reporter just sticking that in. one would have to live under a rock to not know what the term means.

just
October 31, 2014, 8:07 pm

“this is all very dirty business” b/c as you say, it has to do with Israel.

The Guardian has an article about US/Isr/Iran and the Goldberg job.

“Is the US-Israel relationship in crisis? The prominent journalist Jeffrey Goldberg – the man a White House aide once called the “official therapist” of the relationship – seems to think so.

But while most coverage of Goldberg’s long article in The Atlantic revolves around an unnamed official calling Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu “chickenshit” – which the Obama administration spent two days disavowing – lost in the pearl-clutching is the insightful look at how Netanyahu’s policies on Iran are a direct affront on American interests.

Even most of the rest of chatter about the story focused on Israel’s expansion of settlement plans in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as a sore spot in the so-called “special relationship” between the US and Israel. Settlements are certainly an effective test of Israel’s intentions in the peace process (and the US would be remiss to not denounce their expansion as harmful to prospects for peace).

But while settlement expansion depletes hope for a two-state solution – and exact a price on America’s overall standing in the world – they are hardly as big a problem for the US as Israel’s Iran policies – especially considering Israel’s Iran-related involvement in American domestic politics and, most recently, its utter rejection of diplomatic progress in Iran and a prospective comprehensive nuclear accord.”

link to theguardian.com

Philip Munger
October 31, 2014, 8:06 pm

The so-called “Temple Mount” is the unfortunate intersection of some of the worst myths, prejudices, absurdities and hatreds of the three Abrahamic Male Sky God cult worshippers’ connection to their lizard brains. I regard it as a very evil place.

I’m afraid the third intifada is starting, and it is going to be ugly.

Blownaway
October 31, 2014, 7:59 pm

As with all things having to do with Israel, there is much more than meets the eye. Goldbeg’s article was clearly designed to put Obama and the White House on the defensive at a critical time, was it The Iran deal? Was it Abbas at the UN ( funny I know) the upcoming election? And Netanyahu’s threat ( warning) was clearly part of the context. Just look at the aftermath apologies and groveling all over the place. Yet there was no such expectation when they insulted the U.S. this is all very dirty business.

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 7:54 pm

“i know it’s not supposed to be funny”

Hey, I didn’t know Elie Wiesel is, or was, the president of ELAD, maybe I missed the news about Netanayahoo’s poor shrink.

RoHa
October 31, 2014, 7:52 pm

So if a lone crazed gunman shoots Obama we will know that there is absolutely no connection whatsoever between the shooter and the Urban Moving Systems vans in the neighbourhood.

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 7:49 pm

“Si ce n’est vrai, c’est bien trouvé.”

Me too. I regret nothing.

Elliot
October 31, 2014, 7:45 pm

Yonah’s question deserves an answer. If Netanyahu made this statement in a speech to the Knesset, as the report holds, he would have been speaking in Hebrew. Had he said “grassy knoll” in English, I think that would have been conveyed somehow.
The context is clearly referring to something like the White House lawn where Mid-East peace treaties are famously signed.
Since nobody has shown the evidence, Yonah’s question stands.

pabelmont
October 31, 2014, 7:42 pm

Guardian: Speaking to the Israeli parliament – the Knesset – a few hours after the comments were revealed, Netanyahu angrily insisted he was “under attack simply for defending Israel”, adding that he “cherished” Israel’s relationship with the US.

“When there are pressures on Israel to concede its security, the easiest thing to do is to concede,” he said. “You get a round of applause, ceremonies on grassy knolls, and then come the missiles and the tunnels.”

I’m curious: Was he speaking in English or in Hebrew to the Knesset? Are we dealing with translation here, and if so is there only ONE translation for whatever the PM said? For example, maybe at the time of the Kennedy assassination,some translation was made into Hebrew which has never been used for any other purpose.

just
October 31, 2014, 7:37 pm

o/t– apologies if it’s been posted before, but i found this when i went to listen to Assaf for some relief and pleasure:

“Mohammed Assaf, the winner of Arab Idol in 2013 has been voted the Best Middle East Act at the 2014 MTV European Music Awards (EMA). Assaf released his debut album ASSAF last week.

The 2014 MTV EMA will be broadcast live from Glasgow to more than 60 MTV channels around the world on Sunday, November 9 at 9pm CET and in the UAE on November 10 at 1am KSA. The awards show has a global reach of nearly 700 million households. ”

link to thenational.ae

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 7:33 pm

“The American university system is still a rat’s nest of anti-Semites and terrorist-lovers.”

And for that, Jews go to college? A honda! That’s what it is, a honda!

David Doppler
October 31, 2014, 7:32 pm

Thanks for the h/t, Annie. That graphic is great.

And thanks lysias for the insight into Netanyahu’s shrink. The fearful fear-monger, leading his fearful people from one crime to the next, and with a heavy enough hand to contemplate the unspeakable.

Bumblebye
October 31, 2014, 7:31 pm

There’s no such creature as a “liberal zionist”.
At a pinch, there maybe such a thing as a “zionist liberal”.
Zionism always trumps liberality. A zionist cannot achieve the supremacy s/he may believe to be a gawd-given right in any other country but Israel, so supports equality of rights in the diaspora. Meanwhile, superiority of rights are a must in Israel/Palestine, of which no criticism is permitted!

Kay24
October 31, 2014, 7:30 pm

That would have been ignored completely by the WH and so far the media has not mentioned it.
If this was North Korea or Iran the response would have been very different.
Israel can do whatever heck it wants, the US will whisper their disapproval and send them more
weapons. Sheesh.

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 7:28 pm

“Over 40% of Jewish American college students report that they have experienced or are aware of anti-Semitism on their campuses.”

seafoid
October 31, 2014, 7:27 pm

“From Berlin to Paris, from London to Brussels, we are once again hearing the blood-curdling screams of “Death to the Jews.” “-

I’d love to see the proof of that.
Europe is anti occupation, not anti semitic

just
October 31, 2014, 7:25 pm

“Neediness and whining.
Zero self awareness”

A hallmark of Zionists.

When was the last time you heard a Palestinian whine?

seafoid
October 31, 2014, 7:21 pm

YMedad, the settler who sometimes pops in here, works in the Begin Center fil Quds and has a long post on the settler view of what happened

link to myrightword.blogspot.ch

as well as this

link to myrightword.blogspot.ch

Neediness and whining.
Zero self awareness

I think this is termed neurotic behavior in NYC

Mooser
October 31, 2014, 7:14 pm

Will nobody rid Netanyahoo of this turbulent President?

seafoid
October 31, 2014, 7:13 pm

I thought that article was satire but if you google the psy’s name it seems he was a real person.

just
October 31, 2014, 7:07 pm

I’d prefer if he’d called the family of Orwah Hammad and made the PM do the same:

“Orwah had American citizenship and the family deserved better treatment from the U.S. government, his father said.

“They started to call me from the [American] consulate, and they said we need to come down and just offer our condolences, and they were supposed to come down, I think, three days ago.”

They didn’t come that day — and have not since, Khalek said.

“It’s hard to explain to you my feelings on the inside, but I’m so disappointed at my government and in their actions,” he said. ”

link to nbcnews.com

I guess we have our priorities straight.

just
October 31, 2014, 6:58 pm

interesting.

but let’s face it. the ultimate goal is to ethnically cleanse the land of indigenous Palestinians one way or another.

the lost temple is just another excuse to fulfill the goal.

lysias
October 31, 2014, 6:54 pm

Looking at the comments on the site the story comes from, I see it probably is political satire. Sure had me fooled.

Si ce n’est vrai, c’est bien trouvé.

Kay24
October 31, 2014, 6:52 pm

Okay guys, as expected we now apologize, and grovel, and make sure we don’t face their wrath:

“U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday night to express his regret over the remarks made against the Israeli premier this week in The Atlantic.” Haaretz

Chickenshit must have smirked and said ” We always control America and they know it”

just
October 31, 2014, 6:49 pm

thanks for that comment.

seafoid
October 31, 2014, 6:43 pm

Feiglin is the reality check to all the “Hi my name is Leah I’m 21 and I’m an arts major and I want to leverage Jewish ethics and change the narrative here in the US by challenging AIPAC”
Feiglin is a VJSB – Vicious Jewish Son of a Bitch and it’s people like him who drive Zionism, not the Leahs.

lysias
October 31, 2014, 6:37 pm

Somebody with this mentality might be provoked to do something crazy just to show he’s not chickenshit. Having delivered this implicit threat, he might feel obliged to carry it out.

Kay24
October 31, 2014, 6:35 pm

One can consider these the words of terrorists. The same extremist views, talk, and words.
Just like terrorists they inflict pain, and massacre civilians, and yet keep talking of causes and defending themselves. The world should be afraid of Jewish extremism, they have the backing of one of the well armed military forces in the world, and an equally ruthless secret service that can get into other nations on fake passports and kill their citizens.

Kay24
October 31, 2014, 6:29 pm

The mere fact that Netanyahu represents a very dangerous nation, that has mastered the art of deception, and operates in the most insidious ways, tells us that whatever is said publicly should be given some deep thought, and that they are totally capable of using veiled threats and dark hints to convey their message. Their chickshit PM is totally comfortable with American culture and terms, and we should not put it past him to use words that he knows is understood in our nation.

a blah chick
October 31, 2014, 6:25 pm

Bill Maher likened Gaza to a crazy lady who needed to be slapped. Someone on Twitter responded to Maher by saying that the lady was “crazy” because someone had broken into her house and was trying to rape her.

ldq1997
October 31, 2014, 6:24 pm

I saw a DVD entitled “Jerusalem and the Lost Temple of the Jews” which seems to belie the whole issue of the al Aqsa Mosque being built on the location of the former temple. This is a study by Ken Klein, a Jew, who has made models and plans of the former temple and purports to prove that the temple as historically described could not possibly have fit on what is now the location of al Aqsa, and that the location of the temple must have been some place far away. I am not an architect or an engineer, and on the DVD this issue was presented in technical terms better understood by a qualified person I would like to bring this DVD to the arttention of persons more qualified than I am to form an intelligent opinion. If it is a valid theory, it would be very relevant to the turnoil now going on in Jerusalem.

just
October 31, 2014, 6:08 pm

yeah, and he has nukes. and Israel elects him.

go figure.

Annie Robbins
October 31, 2014, 6:03 pm

oh, i can’t stop laughing. i know it’s not supposed to be funny but i just can’t stop laughing. omg.. that’s horrible..of me. omg

are you sure that’s not political satire?

just
October 31, 2014, 6:00 pm

“Query: Does anyone else think this account smells?”

yes. it stinks to high heaven.

Annie Robbins
October 31, 2014, 5:59 pm

wonder of wonders, even when you google it in hebrew guess what pops up! (spoiler alert “kennedy assassination”)

link to translate.google.com

you think if we google it in french it would be the same? what about japanese?

eljay
October 31, 2014, 5:54 pm

>> Moshe Feiglin: “I’m a Jew and I’m not allowed to go to the Temple Mount, for a Jew that almost got murdered yesterday,” said Feiglin, continuing, “So who’s the raped woman? The violent side, or the Jewish side?”

The Palestinians are the raped woman. Zio-supremacists are the rapist. And that’s how it’s been for over 60 years.

just
October 31, 2014, 5:41 pm

your headline makes it clear, Annie.

thanks again.

lysias
October 31, 2014, 5:40 pm

If it is what he meant, let us hope that the U.S. government takes this as its opportunity to reveal the truth about the assassination to the American public. Although somehow I doubt if it will. The oxen of too many important institutions — like the CIA and the Pentagon — would also be gored.

seafoid
October 31, 2014, 5:39 pm

Netanyahu and his Israeli neediness- it’s not enough to have the 4th most powerful army in the world. It’s not enough to have sovereignty- they need cover for the shit diplomatic calls they make. And Americans above all have to understand Israel. If you don’t tell them you love them and that they are special they fall apart and ask for more money.

This kind of person in a relationship usually doesn’t make it to a significant wedding anniversary without getting divorced.

seafoid
October 31, 2014, 5:37 pm

I think that is what he meant

lysias
October 31, 2014, 5:36 pm

I’ve posted this twice on this forum in the past couple of days, but I think it belongs here too:

Bibi’s shrink killed himself in 2010 because he was despondent over having failed to cure Bibi of his delusional thinking. Psychiatrist of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Commits Suicide :

The first of Yatom’s strokes occurred when Netanyahu offered his opinion that the 911 attacks on Washington and New York “were good.” The second followed a session in which Netanyahu insisted that Iran and Nazi Germany were identical. And the third occurred after the Prime Minister declared Iran’s nuclear energy program was a “flying gas chamber,” and that all Jews everywhere “lived permanently in Auschwitz.” Yatom’s efforts to calm Netanyahu’s hysteria were extremely taxing emotionally and routinely ended in failure. “The alibi is always the same with him,” complained another diary entry. “The Jews are on the verge of annihilation at the hands of the racist goyim and the only way to save the day is to carry out one final massacre.”

That kind of mentality might well stop at nothing.

Annie Robbins
October 31, 2014, 5:34 pm

yonah, the quote traveled around the world. had it been inaccurate there could have been a retraction. let me know if you found one. grassy knoll in hebrew is still grassy knoll. what exactly is your point? that it’s the translators fault? seriously!

oldgeezer
October 31, 2014, 5:28 pm

Yes the video was particularly telling. It was referenced as some quickly taken down evidence of the students harrassing and intimindating the birthright group. A group of people standing, saying nothing, wearing signs and calmly standing there. The accusations are so laughable.

The text as well. According to the text in the link that line was formed after the event held by birthright.

First it says “As the tabling event concluded, pro-Palestinian students began to pepper Hillel members with hostile ” (for which no evidence is provided).

It then says “Students later blocked the table in protest, “.

Unless the reporter is incompetent the blocking of the table (for which no definitve is provided beyond showing a line of students and not that anything is blocked) then the alleged blocked occurred after the tabling event had concluded.

And that causes hophmi to go off on a slanderous rant. Quelle surprise, once more!

Zorro rides again… Can’t believe I’m doing this. Haven’t worn a costume since I was 23. Go figure.

seafoid
October 31, 2014, 5:27 pm

It’s a pity Judaism strangled its equivalent to the Sufi tradition.

Walid
October 31, 2014, 5:24 pm

From where I’m standing, the terrorists in this story are Feiglin and the rabbi that got shot.

Annie Robbins
October 31, 2014, 5:22 pm

just, i can’t take credit for the (great!) graphic. it was posted on twitter, with that exact caption.

just
October 31, 2014, 5:22 pm

oh here it is:

תלולית דשא

just
October 31, 2014, 5:17 pm

oh. come. on.

What’s hebrew for ‘grassy knoll’?

lysias
October 31, 2014, 5:16 pm

Of course, we don’t know who said “chickenshit”. Wouldn’t it be great if it had been Obama? (Although personally I strongly suspect it was Biden. Seems more in character for him. And I doubt if stuffed shirt Kerry would have made his prissy criticism of the language if it had been Obama.)

lysias
October 31, 2014, 5:15 pm

Unless Bibi used the English words in his comments in Hebrew.

just
October 31, 2014, 5:12 pm

Though I love your graphic, the difference is of course that Obama did not say c/s. Netanyahu SPOKE the words in his speech of retaliation. This should offend every single American.

But I get it.

yonah fredman
October 31, 2014, 5:11 pm

If Bibi made his comments to the knesset as reported, then the comments were made in Hebrew and the translator would be the one who translated the Hebrew into the words “grassy knoll”. if the comments were made to a reporter in the Knesset, then if the reporter spoke to him in English he would have responded in english. The circumstance is not clear.

lysias
October 31, 2014, 5:07 pm

And don’t forget all the indications that Israel and its supporters were involved in the conspiracy to assassinate JFK. The evidence is discussed quite fully in Col. John Hugh-Wilson’s JFK: An American Coup D’etat: The Truth Behind the Kennedy Assassination

just
October 31, 2014, 5:03 pm

He behaves and speaks like a crime boss of a worldwide syndicate.

a blah chick
October 31, 2014, 5:02 pm

“So why the silence from the press?”

Because the media elites control the agenda and they try to overlook anything that makes Israeli leaders look bad.

just
October 31, 2014, 5:01 pm

When I read that in The Guardian the other day I felt more than a bit ill.

I am glad that you and Justin have picked up on it. There is no way in hades that he did not know what he was saying.

Everybody who speaks English to any degree and remembers or has even read of the assassination knows about the “grassy knoll”.

He doesn’t even bother thinly veiling his junk anymore.

Citizen
October 31, 2014, 4:50 pm

Former Israeli Diplomat Claims USSLiberty Was “Tragic Friendly Fire Incident” as Al Jazeera America Airs Report 2nite link to algemeiner.com

Al Jazeera America has a tv show tonight at 10EST devoted to the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, back in 1967. I don’t know how many of you have read up on this incident, but it is very controversial and long kept from the general public–as controversial as official explanations of JFK murder and 9/11.

jon s
October 31, 2014, 4:42 pm

Sodastream’s decision to move out of the West Bank should be the end of the boycott, especially since they’re relocating to Rahat and a significant number of jobs will be available there. (I go by that facility every so often and it looks really huge.)
Last time the issue came up I expressed concern for the Palestinian employees who may be left without jobs when the factory moves out. I think that there’s still cause for concern .

a blah chick
October 31, 2014, 4:39 pm

“Glick was struck while loading items into his car after a meeting at the Begin Heritage Center with Knesset member …Moshe Feiglin. The assailant asked Glick to confirm his identify, speaking “in a thick Arabic accent,” and then fired three shots before fleeing on a motorcycle.”

Query: If Glick was the target why did the assailent have to “confirm” his identity? Was the picture they printed off the inter tubes too fuzzy?

Query: Why would the assassin spend three bullets on Glick and none on Feiglin, leaving the idiot alive and ambulatory and running his big mouth off about what he saw?

Query: Is there a precedent for a suspect taking out police armed only with a drill?

Query: Does anyone else think this account smells?

pabelmont
October 31, 2014, 4:33 pm

I forgot to conclude: because the progress of Israel into the unspeakable is apparently inexorable, the problem it presents to the “liberal Zionists” will get more severe as time passes, and therefore (one imagines), as time passes, except for the indefinitely morally flexible, one by one they will lose either their passion for defending the indefensible (“Israel, what’s that?”) or will, in fact, come over to the other side (anti-Zionism or the like).

No one wants to be aboard a sinking ship. I feel sorry for Israeli Jews who cannot avoid being Israelis and also cannot do anything to steer the boat in a better direction. We Americans have the same problem if not so blatantly.

JLewisDickerson
October 31, 2014, 4:32 pm

RE: “‘We are in a violent fight with extreme Islam’ — Feiglin leads rightists to pray at al-Asqsa Mosque”

MY COMMENT: This is yet another reason that Jerusalem must be made an ‘international city’ pursuant to General Assembly resolution 181 (II) November 29, 1947, which provides for the full territorial internationalisation of Jerusalem: “The City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations.”
Netanyahu recently made it clear (albeit speaking only in Hebrew) that as far as he is concerned there will never be a sovereign nation-state of Palestine in the West Bank (with, or without, E. Jerusalem as its capital). Consequently, unless Jerusalem is protected by virtue of its being made an ‘international city’ administered by the UN, it is just a matter of time before the Dome of the Rock, the Al-Aqsa mosque and numerous other historic sites come under existential threat as Israel’s radical, extremist nationalists (like Yehuda Glick and Moshe Feiglin of the Temple Institute) become more and more determined to completely “Judeaize” the city.

PilgrimSoul
October 31, 2014, 4:25 pm

It is very hard to make liberals and progressives understand the total danger of the attacks on the Noble Sanctuary (Harim al-Sharif) including both the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Most people in the West don’t even know about it. It has been building since 2010, at some times consisting of almost daily attacks by settlers on Al-Aqsa. The intent, of course, is to establish “sovereignty” over the esplanade, and then to destroy Al-Aqsa, setting off a worldwide religious war for the rest of the century.

Progressives can’t take is seriously for the same reason they couldn’t take the rise of neo-fascist AM Hate Radio in the US seriously, and the Tutsi intellectuals in Rwanda couldn’t take the Hutu Power fascists seriously. Progressives live in a completely different mental universe than the fanatics that do such things. But AM Hate Radio morphed into Fox News, and the Hutu Power rantings on the radio turned into a genocide. The religious-nationalist settlers in Israel are aiming at an even more horrific outcome…but people in the US simply can’t believe that it’s happening.

Of course, that is partly because there has been a press blackout on it in Israel, and the New York Times and Washington Post followed suit. Getting information out about this has been impossible. Good people react like robots, apparently thinking that there’s nothing anybody can do to stop this grisly invocation of pure religious hatred from playing out.

The intent by the extremists is to create the maximum anxiety, pain and humiliation for the world’s Muslims: Al-Aqsa Mosque is the third-most holy site in Islam. The national-religious settlers say they want to build a ‘Third Temple’ on its ruins. But the real reason, of course, is that they are hoping to kick off a worldwide religious war between Islam and the West.

Religious war is the scourge of humanity. It is the ultimate nightmare for me, since I have both a Jewish daughter and a Muslim daughter. The fact that Israelis would ignite such a disaster for humankind suggests profound destructive and self-destructive forces at work. It seems that among some of these fanatics there is an unconscious desire to punish the world for letting the Holocaust happen. Indeed, religious war would be the Holocaust by other means, in which all people of the world would suffer.

JLewisDickerson
October 31, 2014, 4:21 pm

RE: “Within hours of Glick’s shooting, religious Jews vowed to storm the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in a revenge protest, of prayers. At 8 am Knesset member Moshe Feiglin chaired a rally of a dozen faithful. ‘We are in a violent fight. From the free world against the evil forces, the most extreme Islam,’ he said.”

FOR SOME BACKGROUND ON FEIGLIN, SEE: “Feiglin New Rightist Power Behind Likud Throne”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 12/27/08

[EXCERPTS] Gershom Gorenberg has written a stunner of a political appraisal of the role Moshe Feiglin and his far-right allies will play in Likud before and especially after the next national election. Feiglin is an Orthodox extremist settler leader who toiled in the political trenches of far-right splinter parties until he cottoned on to an idea David Duke had some time ago. Instead of laboring in political obscurity, take over the major party nearest to your ideology. In this case it was Likud.
In the last leadership primary [back in 2008], Feiglin (remember again that his views are somewhat akin to Duke’s in an Israeli context) garnered 25% of the vote to embarrass Netanyahu deeply. In the most recent primary, Feiglin and his allies chipped away further at the party leader: not only did Feiglin place 20th on the list which would’ve made him a certain MK winner (party leaders later used technicalities to move him to 36th), but many of his ideological soulmates placed high in the list as well. Gorenberg argues that no matter how centrist Netanyahu tries to paint the party, the newly empowered extremists will weigh him down like an albatross. The Israeli journalist speculates that even IF (a big “if”) Netanyahu would want to engage in territorial compromise with the Palestinians after becoming prime minister, the rump right wing caucus could muster the support to nix such an initiative or anything that even smacks of craven capitulation to the enemy.

Here are some of the more shocking beliefs that Feiglin holds:

On the Jewish Leadership website, [he] proposes principles for a constitution for Israel. It would include a high rabbinic court, chosen only by clergy, that would overturn any legislation it saw as contradicting Jewish religious law. A newly established senate, with a guaranteed Jewish majority of over 80 percent, would have to consult the rabbinic court on all national issues. Israel would lay claim not only to the West Bank and Gaza, but also to all of Jordan.
. . . He proposes . . . holding a ceremony at every army base in which all non-lethal weaponry would be destroyed. Faced with Palestinian demonstrators, soldiers could only shoot to kill. . . Another Feiglin tract contrasts parliamentary democracy with an “authentic Jewish regime” that would express the “organic unity of the Nation of Israel.” Put simply, Feiglin’s ideology is the meeting point of fundamentalism and fascism.

Gorenberg concludes his essay with this warning about the false ‘branding’ of Likud under Netanyahu’s leadership:

The campaign packaging for the Likud will show Netanyahu’s face. In his modulated MBA voice, he’ll try to sell the Likud to voters as a pragmatic conservative party, willing to make peace if only the Palestinians agree to its conditions. Inside the package, however, is a party in thrall to a lean and hungry man offering extremist leadership for Israel. . .

ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to richardsilverstein.com

JLewisDickerson
October 31, 2014, 4:09 pm

P.P.P.P.P.S. Bob Dylan’s “It’s All Right Ma (I’m Only Bleeding)” is a seminal anti-war song of the 60s, having spawned so many famous quotes, people have probably forgotten the origin: quotes like “He who is not busy being born is busy dying”.
I think it’s fair to assume that once Bob Dylan joined the Chabad cult, he was no longer “busy being born”, but was instead “busy dying”. I see this as being even more tragic than Phil Ochs’ sad demise. – link to en.wikipedia.org

FROM “Bob Dylan – The Rolling Stone Interview” (by Kurt Loder – 1984)

. . . • Q (Loder) – Your latest album, ‘Infidels’, is hardly subteen fodder. Some critics have even detected a new note of conservatism in some of the songs — even
outright jingoism in “Neighborhood Bully”
in which the metaphorical subject is said to be “just one man” whose “enemies say he’s on their land.” That’s clearly a strong Zionist political statement, is it not?
• A (Dylan) - You’d have to point that out to me, you know, what line is in it that spells that out. I’m not a political songwriter. Joe Hill was a political songwriter; uh, Merle Travis wrote some political songs. “Which Side Are You On?” is a political song. And “Neighborhood Bully,” to me, is not a political song, because if it were, it would fall into a certain political party. If you’re talkin’ about it as an Israeli political song – in Israel alone, there’s maybe twenty political parties. I don’t know where that would fall, what party.
• Q (Loder) – Well, would it be fair to call that song a heartfelt statement of belief?
• A (Dylan) – Maybe it is, yeah. But just because somebody feels a certain way, you can’t come around and stick some political-party slogan on it. If you listen closely, it really could be about other things.
It’s simple and easy to define it, so you got it pegged, and you can deal with it in that certain kinda way. However, I wouldn’t do that. ‘Cause I don’t know what the politics of Israel is. I just don’t know.
• Q (Loder) – So you haven’t resolved for yourself, for instance, the Palestinian question?
• A (Dylan) – Not really, because I live here.

• Q (Loder) - Would you ever live in Israel?
• A (Dylan) - I don’t know. It’s hard to speculate what tomorrow may bring. I kinda live where I find myself.
At another point in the song, you say, “He got no allies to really speak of,” and while “he buys obsolete weapons and he won’t be denied…no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side.” Do you feel that America should send troops over there?
No. The song doesn’t say that. Who should, who shouldn’t — who am I to say?
• Q (Loder) - Well, do you think Israel should get more help from the American Jewish community? I don’t want to push this so far, but it just seems so…
• A (Dylan) - Well, you’re not pushing it too far, you’re just making it specific. And you’re making it specific to what’s going on today. But what’s going on today isn’t gonna last, you know? The battle of Armageddon is specifically spelled out: where it will be fought, and if you wanna get technical, when it will be fought. And the battle of the Armageddon definitely will be fought in the Middle East. . .

SOURCE – link to bobdylantalks.blogspot.com

P.P.P.P.P.P.S. ALSO SEE: “Bob Dylan turns 70; still hasn’t Recanted Praise for Rabbi Meir Kahane”, by Amago, SpencerWatch.com, 5/24/11
LINK – link to spencerwatch.com

Sycamores
October 31, 2014, 3:58 pm

they probably would have build something like a flak tower on temple mount link to en.wikipedia.org

David Gerald Fincham
October 31, 2014, 3:54 pm

talknic, your New Zealand link is a search in Google books, which finds nothing in books and then returns this page!

just
October 31, 2014, 3:50 pm

Extrajudicial murder.

“JERUSALEM (Ma’an) — The initial autopsy report of a Palestinian man slain by Israeli soldiers early Thursday shows that he was shot all over the body at least 20 times and that his death was caused by severe bleeding from his chest, neck, hands, legs, lungs, and heart.

The report is expected to add fuel to allegations by Palestinians that Israeli officers charged with arresting Mutaz Hijazi, 32, on suspicion of potential involvement in the shooting of a right-wing Jewish activist late Wednesday, instead executed him.”

much more: link to maannews.net

Feiglin doth protest too much:

““So who’s the raped woman? The violent side, or the Jewish side?””

Well since the ‘Jewish side’ is the ‘violent side’, I can’t really understand what he’s saying. But it sounds as though Roni and Marzel understand his bs.

He’s an inciter of the first order:

““We are in a violent fight. From the free world against the evil forces, the most extreme Islam,” he said.”

This is truly frightening. It is a continuation of the brutal war against Palestinians.

JLewisDickerson
October 31, 2014, 3:46 pm

P.P.P.S. FROM THE INTERNET:

[EXCERPT] . . . According to the Sue Fishkoff book “The Rebbe’s Army”, p.167, Bob Dylan is one of the biggest names associated with Chabad. In the early 1980s, Chabad “rescued” Dylan from a brief flirtation with Christianity, and for several years, Dylan studied with Minneapolis Rabbis Manis Friedman and Moshe Feller, whom he visited also for Shabbat dinners. Dylan made a surprise appearance at the 1988 and 1989 Chabad telethons, once playing “Hava Negila” out of tune on the harmonica. . .

SOURCE – link to youtube.com

P.P.P.P.S. REGARDING BOB DYLAN’S MENTOR, RABBI MANIS FRIEDMAN, SEE: “Why is the US Honoring a Racist Rabbi?”, by Alison Weir, counterpunch.org, 4/07/14

[EXCERPTS] If things proceed normally, President Barak Obama will soon proclaim April 11, 2014 “Education and Sharing Day, U.S.A.” Despite the innocuous name, this day honors the memory of a religious leader whose lesser-known teachings help fuel some of the most violent attacks against Palestinians by extremist Israeli settlers and soldiers.
The leader being honored on this day is Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, charismatic head of a mystical/fundamentalist version of Judaism [namely, Chabad-Lubavitch]. . .
. . . Congress first passed a Resolution honoring Schneerson in 1975. . .
. . . Schneerson and his movement are an extremely mixed bag.
Schneerson has been praised widely for a public persona and organization that emphasized “deep compassion and insight,” worked to bring many secular Jews “back” into the fold, created numerous schools around the world, and had offered, in the words of the Jewish Virtual Library, “social-service programs and humanitarian aid to all people, regardless of religious affiliation or background.”
However, there is also a less attractive underside often at odds with such public perceptions. And some of the more extreme parts of Schneerson’s teachings – such as that Jews are a completely different species than non-Jews, and that non-Jews exist only to serve Jews – have been largely hidden, it appears, even from many who consider themselves his followers.
As we will see, such views profoundly impact the lives of Palestinians living – and dying – under Israeli occupation and military invasions. . .
. . . Another such rabbi is Manis Friedman, a Chabad-Lubavitch rabbi inspired by Schneerson who served as the simultaneous translator for a series of Schneerson’s talks. (Friedman is currently dean of a Jewish Studies institute in Minnesota.)
A 2009 article in the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz reports, “Like the best Chabad-Lubavitch rabbis, Manis Friedman has won the hearts of many unaffiliated Jews with his charismatic talks about love and God; it was Friedman who helped lead Bob Dylan into a relationship with Chabad.
“But Friedman, who today travels the country as a Chabad speaker, showed a less warm and cuddly side when he was asked how he thinks Jews should treat their Arab neighbors.”

In ‘Moment; magazine’s article, “Ask the Rabbis // How Should Jews Treat Their Arab Neighbors?” Friedman answered: “I don’t believe in western morality, i.e. don’t kill civilians or children, don’t destroy holy sites, don’t fight during holiday seasons, don’t bomb cemeteries, don’t shoot until they shoot first because it is immoral. “The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle).” . . .

ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to counterpunch.org

lysias
October 31, 2014, 3:46 pm

And now stuffed shirt Kerry has more or less admitted that the quote is genuine: Kerry: ‘Chickens—‘ remark ‘disgraceful’:

“It is disgraceful, unacceptable, damaging, and I think neither President Obama nor I — I’ve never heard that word around me in the White House or anywhere,” said Kerry during an appearance at The Atlantic’s Ideas Forum on Thursday.

“I don’t know who these anonymous people are who keep getting quoted, but they make life much more difficult,” he added.

Yeah, sure, John, we believe you.

seafoid
October 31, 2014, 3:43 pm

The Zionist view of Jerusalem as exclusively Jewish is from a version of reality that does not exist in reality.

And al Aqsa symbolizes that. Why does the holiest city in Judaism (now a low rent disneyfied architectural clusterfuck) wake every morning to the muezzin’s call? Because it’s a Palestinian city too.
And morons like Feiglin think they can sweep that under the carpet. PFO.

and what’s the most beautiful building in Jerusalem, replicated in a million postcards?

Is it anything built by the bots?

No. Israeli architecture is either more defensive or more shoddy , just like Zionism

lysias
October 31, 2014, 3:41 pm

Speaking of Turkey, the Housing Minister in the new Turkish government was on the Mavi Marmara.

Peter Feld
October 31, 2014, 3:41 pm

Well taken pabelmont, I was layering my irony on Shavit’s (and Friedman’s) premise. If you read My Promised Land there are endless references to how the early Zionist settlers loved Bach, opera, literature, in implicit superiority to the Palestinians, see Finkelstein’s discussion.
link to guernicamag.com