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Kay24
January 27, 2015, 12:33 am

Remember how reluctant they were to go into Gaza and face Hamas there? They are basically cowards who pick on children, women, and send their precision bombs from afar. They always pick on those weaker and unarmed, and unfortunately Palestinian children are always the victim of their brutality.

talknic
January 27, 2015, 12:31 am

@ DaBakr “… you calling me a “liar” about just about everything -including, lol-the “tenets” of Judaism is not giving me much to work with.”

You claimed Ahmadjinedad said “Israel” will end up on the dust heap of history. He didn’t. Purposefully repeating a lie makes one a liar. Lying is against the basic common sense tenets of Judaism. Judaism is an official religion of the Jewish state, that people like you lie on behalf of the Jewish state is really quite bizarre.

So knock yourself on the chin with over the top knee jerk false accusations for all I care. You’re showing readers the ghastly type of person Israeli’s illegal expansionism attracts

“In the end-it will be as many Palestinians who sympathize with the Hamas as with Fata (or neither that will be negotiating …”

You’re talking about political parties. Only a non-politically aligned organization can represent all of the people of a territory regardless of which political parties the people might vote for. (see the Jewish People’s Council)

“…with liberal, center and right Zionists for whatever treaty can be worked out”

The Palestinians are under no legal obligation to ‘work out’ anything that might compromise any of their legal rights in order that Israel keep what it is not legally entitled to and; Israel, like every other country on the planet, is not entitled to anything outside its proclaimed and Internationally recognized borders.

However, the Palestinians have voiced their willingness in front of the world at the UN, to accept only 22% of their rightful territories in order that there be peace with Israel link to pages.citebite.com The Israeli govt’s idiotic reply was to build more illegal settlements.

Israel’s failure to take up on Palestinian generosity leaves only the default position, that dictated by law where Israel is legally obliged to end the occupation and withdraw from all non-Israeli territories link to wp.me and take all of its citizens back to Israel.

The only ‘working out’ in that scenario is how Israel will withdraw from all non-Israeli territory in order for there to be peace. See the Israeli Egypt Peace Treaty, wherein Israel was required, agreed and did withdraw from all territory sovereign to Egypt before peaceful relations were assumed. It’s called withdrawal for peace.

“Either conditional time based treaty or a full on final treaty.”

There’s no legal requirement on the Palestinians to have any treaty with Israel in order to enjoy their legal rights. There is a legal requirement for both to adhere to the law. While there is occupation and the illegal acquisition of territory by Israel, the Palestinians have a legal right to legitimate armed resistance.

But Israel has never been able to afford to adhere to the law. Under the law, Israel would be required to withdraw from all non-Israeli territories it has illegally acquired by war since 00:01 May 1948 (ME time), take all its citizens back to Israel, pay rightful compensation to Palestine and individual Palestinians and grant Israel’s non Jewish citizens RoR.

It is the Jewish state who must negotiate a settlement in order to circumvent the laws it cannot possibly afford to uphold.

” do you want to be part of the process or one of the cheerleaders like the hooligans in the bleechers rooting for ‘their side’ to ‘win’. I think in this i/p conflict it is safe to say -in the end-everybody will lose. period.”

My side is Israel you stupid person. Israel the Jewish people’s homeland state, living within its borders and within the law and in peace with its neighbours.

Instead, under Zionist governance and people like you, Israel is in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions, in breach of its own declaration of statehood, in breach of International Law and the UN Charter and has been in a self inflicted war for 67 years

Bandolero
January 26, 2015, 11:39 pm

I feel deeply sorrow for Palestianians who are victims of the Zionist psychological warfare divisions and promote Israeli hasbara lies aimed to destroy their most steadfast supporter for more than half a century.

In lieu of my own respinse, which I have given here to a similar hatchet job composed of zionist sponsored rumors against the resistance people of the Syrian state, Hezbollah, Iran, Russia and Iraqi militia defending a secular Syria with their blood against Israel and Israeli stooges – may they know or not know what job there are eally rdoing – some days ago, now I want just to post a link from Susan Dirgham here:

Response to American activist Mariam Barghouti’s “End the silence – Support Palestinian refugees in Yarmouk”

Mariam Barghouti posted a long text here, and almost in every sentence there are crucial hasbara lies to switch victims and perpetratots included, so it would take me hours to just refute all the hasbara here one by one. And if I did so, my comment would likely be filtered out by the spam filter, because it would be too long and have too many links. So, just one example:

Yarmouk refugee camp in Damascus has been under siege for nearly 550 days and counting.

Click on ethe link, and you see that there is nothing behind it that says the Yarmouk refugee camp is under siege for nearly 550 days and counting, and more so not to assign blame who is responsible for that, because that would mean taking sides in conflict. However, the Syrian media say wahhabi terrorists reign in Yarmouk, terrorize remaining civilians, prevent the distribution of aid and videos not distributed by Israel, terrorists or their common friends seem to prove that.

And a second example:

It is vital to not only expose the siege, but the culprits responsible for the ongoing monstrosities. The Palestinian Front for The Liberation of Palestine- General Command and others have assisted the Assad regime-the primary perpetuator- in besieging the camp.

In reality, besides the PFLP-GC, among others, the PFLP, the PLO, Hamas (though sectarian reasons made it take Hamas long to come to this), support the Syrian government with public statements in how they are dealing with the terrorist problem in Yarmouk camp. Those, who support the terrorists with false statements and other propaganda lies are Israel, Al Qaeda, and all their stooges in the West and the GCC.

Sorry for being this blunt, but as I said, I feel deeply sorrow for Palestianians who are victims of the Zionist psychological warfare divisions and promote Israeli hasbara lies aimed to destroy their most steadfast supporter for more than half a century.

Kate
January 26, 2015, 11:28 pm

Thanks everyone for your kind words. I do read the comments, although I don’t usually reply! I don’t really choose to record these outrages, I just can’t keep from doing it. Someone has to.

JLewisDickerson
January 26, 2015, 10:54 pm

P.P.S. MATEO PIMENTAL (JANUARY 26, 2015):

[EXCERPT] . . . The industrial revolution of a Modern West has since carried capitalism, like the malignant contents of a virus, injected into the nuclei of different governments its inhuman system, and sought thusly to possess centralized power everywhere for the benefit of the global hegemon, the 1%, the plutocracy. Saliently so, the United States has made itself a vector for a super strain of this selfsame, mutating capitalist virus. Now, it enjoys its last gasps of hegemony, stamping the world with its seal of war and free trade ad nauseam. . .

SOURCE – link to dissidentvoice.org

oldgeezer
January 26, 2015, 10:32 pm

Israel is SA on steroids.

The fact you have no empathy for the victims clouds your judgement. Even the leaders of the movement to free South Africans recognize that.

You discount them to support a racist endevour. No surprise there.

oldgeezer
January 26, 2015, 10:27 pm

@DaBakr
“one of them is the that a Zionist , Jewish and democratic state can all exist at one time. ”

You may well be right. What we do know is that the state of Israel is not a democratic state as it has excluded individuals born there both from the right of residency and the right to vote.

Any description of Israel as democratic is a farce. It has some democratic features but only after precluding voting rights on the what was the majority of the rightful citizens. Current demographics are irrelevant as they’ve been gerrymandered which has long been considered democratic by western nations.

Oh… One last thing. Israel is not one of the western democratic states.

talknic
January 26, 2015, 10:21 pm

@ DaBakr “always with the links ad nauseum which confirm only (really, only) one interpretation of the so-called ‘facts’.”

You can’t address the points made and supporting material, especially when the official words of the Israeli Govt, Jewish and Zionist representatives reveals the duplicity that has gotten Israel into its current illegal situation, I understand. Sure, you’d like it better if I quoted some biased antisemitic conspiracist nonsense. Tough.

” if I were what you think of as some ‘professional’ hasbarast”

A normal person when shown indisputable facts, usually formulates an intelligent and informed opinion accordingly. Propagandists and fools go into denial and try to shoot the messenger. You’re not a fool are you?

” I would inundate the site here with equal and copius amounts of links “

Sure you would and they’d be swiftly shown to be the bullsh*t. Say, why don’t you try just one … go ahead …

“most of the regular commenters here .. have already made up their minds about which facts and which narrative they think of as lies”

The Zionist narrative and so called ‘facts’ don’t stand up to scrutiny, they are so easily ripped open, usually by the documents they claim as support. Something purposefully not true is by definition a lie.

“The Zionist regime is Israel”

No it isn’t buster. Regimes are governments. Israel is a State.

“That you want to deny it and call Zionist “liars” is all part of the political conflict that you-for one-will only understand as bound by whatever “tenets” you find relevant and have decided-along with many other anti-Zionists as something that other then the foundation of the modern Jewish state”

A) Strange, I’ve never denied Israel’s existence or it’s right to exist, B) false accusations, lies and coveting other folks property are against Judaisms basic common sense tenets, applicable at all times. You’re not Jewish ?

C) Shall we start with ripping apart the ridiculous Zionist notion about Israel not having declared any borders? After all borders are a must in order to be recognized, right? Borders are a must in order to collect taxes, right? Borders are a must in order to determine where ones citizens are allowed to build, right? Borders are necessary to determine the sovereign extent of countries, right? Borders are necessary to know if a country has been attacked, right? A borderless country is Zionutter territory. I.e., complete bullsh*t!

“There are many so-called ‘ironies’ in this world and for you-one of them is the that a Zionist , Jewish and democratic state can all exist at one time. “

Is that the Zionist led state that keeps raising the threshold for election to the parliament, thereby excluding instead of including minorities? That has no mention of democracy in its declaration? That has not been able to write it’s constitution because being a Jewish state and a democracy simply cannot be reconciled? That has never had a legally elected government, under a constitution? The state that has illegal settler leaders talking about dispossessing 20% of its citizens?

“People here have already painted Israel as the closest thing the Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa on the planet “

Israel under consecutive Zionist regimes has been led to be in breach of laws and conventions adopted by the UN in large part because of the ghastly treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis. You’re whining at the wrong people. Go whine to the Zionist Federation

“I’m sure I have read most of what you have read and yet we come to different conclusions.”

Your denial isn’t a rational conclusion, it’s denial.

” I guess you have a superior brain and must be completely guileless in your interpretation of history post ww2. “

Shove it pal. I’m not interested in your drivel

oldgeezer
January 26, 2015, 10:20 pm

“We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country. ”

I live in a country where God is recognized and Christian festivals accorded priority. I’m an atheist…

Could you point me towards the country that accepts and gives atheists priority?

I’m being facetious, quite frankly, but there isn’t a country I can claim as adhering to my beliefs and which will accept me solely because of my beliefs.

A lot of people don’t have a country… So yes Jews have as much right to a country as everyone else which is none.

Walid
January 26, 2015, 10:16 pm

Buttu and fellow lawyer Michael Tarazi were doing super great in representing Palestinians to the outside world until the Zionists twisted Abbas’ arm to fire them. Buttu and Tarazi were Canadian and American Palestinians working for the PA that actually spoke English coherently. Too coherently it seems and the Palestinians returned to relying on the bumbling stuttering Erekat as the official mouthpiece.

oldgeezer
January 26, 2015, 10:14 pm

She may make challah but based on the history of lawswuits filed by the organization the group she belongs to specializes in fruitcake.

Walid
January 26, 2015, 10:06 pm

Tokyobk, hard to get a grasp of what she’s about, looking through her other cryptic posts, the recurring thought was her reference to “mondo readers” as being easily influenceable.

Walid
January 26, 2015, 9:52 pm

“Jews should have the right to choose to stay in France or anywhere else on the planet Earth they wish to live…”

Not according to Zionist ideology that dictates that there is only one place they should live. I’m expecting more black flag operations to start happening soon to “encourage” the French to realize the wisdom of moving to Israel.

Up to 2012, the average number of Jews leaving France for Israel annually was around 2000, but the year after the Toulouse attack on the school in 2013, the number rose to 3289. In the first quarter of 2014, the number that left for Israel was 1778 so we can estimate that the full 2014 year will be around 7 to 8000 and now after the Charlie Hebdo/supermarket attacks, the Zionist are capitalilizing on these events to have 120,000 French Jews abandon France for Israel. More people get killed in road accidents on Israel’s highways every week than Jews are getting killed in France in one year and Israel is supposed to be safer for French Jews?

seafoid
January 26, 2015, 9:48 pm

I can imagine Ivri’s idea of sexy- – strips for Cast Lead morale boosting , runs checkpoint humiliation programs, looks great in shades and uzi, never reads books other than the Torah and doesn’t understand Israeli patriarchy and how she is used

RoHa
January 26, 2015, 9:44 pm

Am I right in interpreting your post as ironic?

If not, I’ll repeat my standard line.

“We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country.”

Australian Jews have a country. It’s called “Australia”.

Annie Robbins
January 26, 2015, 9:43 pm

oh maggie please. not again, why oh why!

RoHa
January 26, 2015, 9:37 pm

As long as you don’t confuse nasty CAMERA with nice CAMRA.

link to camra.org.uk

Scott
January 26, 2015, 9:36 pm

I think Alex is too dismissive of the Congressional Black Caucus. I haven’t done a big analysis, but impression is that black members of congress far better on average on I/P issues than
whites, or white Democrats.

oldgeezer
January 26, 2015, 9:35 pm

Camera, all propaganda, all the time. cifwatch, bbcwatch and so many others. Specious articles and arguments to delude the faithful that they are being oppressed.

oldgeezer
January 26, 2015, 9:32 pm

“A good looking woman”

And if she wasn’t?

At least you’re not a sexist haha

pabelmont
January 26, 2015, 9:24 pm

Or just to suggest topics and people to profile. But of course they don’t want to do that. They know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are and let’s not confuse the readers.

A profile of Diana Buttu would be nice. A lawyer for the Palestinians for a change.

Elliot
January 26, 2015, 9:19 pm

@ Ivri –

So sorry you don’t find the ladies the article suggests to fit your criteria of attractiveness. I actually find women with progressive politics to be sexy.

Annie Robbins
January 26, 2015, 9:17 pm

oh look, speak of the devil

link to camera.org

January 25, 2015 by Alex Safian, PhD

Israel Law Center and Nitsana Darshan-Leitner Attacked by the New York Times

tokyobk
January 26, 2015, 9:12 pm

Pretty sure Maggie is referring to the people who made that implication last time, and not her own (opposite) point of view.

Annie Robbins
January 26, 2015, 9:11 pm

nah, the right is all over the nyt claiming it is a left liberal biased paper. they have professional goons that hound the news sites. they get them to change the wording and then write articles bragging about it. try googling “CAMERA and new york times” to read all about it.

here’s wiki link to en.wikipedia.org

The New York Times ’​ coverage of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict[edit]
In a 2012 monograph of its study of The New York Times, CAMERA asserts that the newspaper shows a clear preference for the Palestinian narrative. It further says that The New York Times treats Israel with a harsher standard and omits context.[45] The study called “Indicting Israel – New York Times Coverage of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict – A July 1 – December 31, 2011 Study” is part of the Monograph Series. In the executive summary senior CAMERA research analysts Ricki Hollander and Gilead Ini, say that the dominant finding of the study was a disproportionate, continuous, embedded indictment of Israel that dominated both news and commentary sections. It further states that “Israeli views are downplayed while Palestinian perspectives, especially criticism of Israel, are amplified and even promoted.”[46] According to Rick Richman, writing in Commentary Magazine, the CAMERA study examines all news and editorial sections in the print version of the newspaper directly relating to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict (july 1 – december 31, 2011).[47]

i kid you not. and like pam gellar’s group these guys (probably) threaten lawsuits and such. they are really rude, pushy, threatening and well funded.

Annie Robbins
January 26, 2015, 9:03 pm

rico, he’s quoting phil, the original post:

That is the moral challenge here. Do you think it’s shocking and inappropriate and outrageous that the Israeli premier is coming here to speak in defiance of the White House? You think this is a plot hatched by neoconservatives behind the president’s back in the last two weeks? You think that politics is supposed to stop at the water’s edge when a possible war hangs in the balance? Fine. Vote with your feet. Don’t go to the House chambers for this historic atrocity.

fyi, after over 10 years on the computer i finally learned if i clicked “command F” (on an apple, not sure on the other kinds of computers) the browser page offers a search box. place the quote in the search box and it will show you where it is on the page.

Annie Robbins
January 26, 2015, 8:59 pm

lol! i go away for a few hours and it gets better and better!

Walid
January 26, 2015, 8:57 pm

Maggie, do you believe that most blacks are “thugs and looters”? Those Dream Defenders delegates in the photo on top sure don’t look like thugs and looters to me.

Krendall Mist
January 26, 2015, 8:48 pm

Weiss writes: “I think Matthews is wrong about this, that if a nuclear weapon is a real eventuality (though many experts say that Iran has not sought to develop a nuclear weapon), and the issue were actually framed for the American people, they’d support containment of Iran.”

Containment of what? Zionist fantasies? For thirty years, the Zionists, their gutless coat-holders in Congress. “experts” like David “not so” Albright, and the Zionist-ridden media have blown enough hot gas about nonexistent Iranian nuclear weapon plans to fill a universe. It’s a big whopping stinking fat fraud. It is astonishing how much has been said and written, time and resources, an entire industry all spent on something that not only does not exist–but would not have any goddamned effect on the US of A even if it did.

Enough is enough. If Obama had the slightest sliver of courage, he’d pull the plug on the Jewish and Democratic State” this instant and stand back as the true owners of the real estate overran the place and cleaned house.

Walid
January 26, 2015, 8:38 pm

“… ‘Leave no one alive,’ but they said, ‘Show no mercy,’ ” he explains. “The brigade commander said to kill as many as possible.”… Just kill! Kill everyone you see.” … The wrenching, taped testimony is not from last summer’s bloody battle in the Gaza Strip but from the 1967 war,… “(NYT Review)

Not as it was in last summer’s assault on Gaza but as it was at the start of Cast lead, as Israeli soldiers were instructed to do so by the rabbis in the Israeli military.

From Max Blumenthal: “In 2008, when the IDF’s chief rabbi, Brigadier General Avichai Ronski, brought a group of military intelligence officers to Hebron for a special tour, he concluded the day with a private meeting with Lior, who reveled the officers with his views on modern warfare: “no such thing as civilians in wartime.” (For his part, Ronski has urged Israeli troops to show Palestinian civilians “no mercy.”)

Blumenthal also recalls: ““When 2.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it’s going to be a human catastrophe,” Soffer argued. “Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today, with the aid of an insane fundamentalist Islam. The pressure at the border will be awful. It’s going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day.” And that is exactly what Israel did when it followed Soffer’s logic in Operation Cast Lead. (Note the use of the word “animal” in Soffer’s language and in the language of Israelis responding to the murders in Itamar; the word is essentially a signal to kill Palestinians indiscriminately)

While Soffer and Kasher have both served as outside consultants for Israeli governments and the army, another advocate for slaughtering Palestinian civilians, Yaakov Amidror, has been appointed to serve as Benjamin Netanyahu’s National Security Advisor. “That’s a totally illegal order,” Amidror once snapped at Israeli news anchor Haim Yavin, who had said that Israeli soldiers were instructed to avoid civilian casualties in Lebanon. “What should be said is ‘kill more of the bastards on the other side, so that we’ll win.’ Period.” Amidror has criticized Kasher for formalizing the army’s ethical code — “I said this should remain unwritten, so there wouldn’t be anything written, …”

link to maxblumenthal.com

seafoid
January 26, 2015, 8:31 pm

” It is the human condition that directs the social condition, not vice versa.”
link to brainyquote.com

the bots can try to turn Palestine off but they’d have more success trying to make a perpetual motion machine

Zionism is such naïve ideology

JWalters
January 26, 2015, 8:30 pm

The fundamental reason for segregation is to preserve the “purity” of a “superior” population. For segregationist Jews it is the belief that they are God’s “chosen” people. This idea of ethnic superiority has proven through history to be a plague on humanity, being used to justify predatory behavior toward other ethnic groups. Thus, a country dedicated to promoting this idea is a plague on humanity. Israel was established by predatory actions, including raw terrorism. This type of behavior causes blowback, always has and always will. The blowback hits innocent people, and that is used to further fan the fears and rally the “superior” ethnic group.

Walid
January 26, 2015, 8:12 pm

“But the issue is not right but reality. Jews in France—and, given certain trends, elsewhere in Europe, from Great Britain to Scandinavia—have to consider their literal survival… ”

Laurent, I believe you’re hinting at the current trend of Jews marrying out of the tribe as putting the survival of the Jews as a collectivity at risk. Even if all French Jews move to Israel and adopt the Hebrew language, in time they will be overtaken by the Arab population there.

Walid
January 26, 2015, 8:06 pm

Tree, one of the issues here is not Jews in general but Jews from Hitler’s Germany and the 1938 FDR conference that united 32 nations at Evian to discuss swapping Jews for the cash that Hitler wanted. The other issue was the Zionist collusion that permitted German Jewish emigration only to Palestine.

To his credit, Canada’s Prime Minister Harper apologized to the Jews for not having let them in when they really needed it.

maggiesager
January 26, 2015, 8:00 pm

cue all the white mondo readers decrying black solidarity with palestine because of the “thugs and looters” in ferguson like the last time an article like this was published.

lonely rico
January 26, 2015, 7:53 pm

@ 4.09 pm, Mr. Fredman –

“Don’t go to the House chambers for this historic atrocity. ”

I couldn’t help but wonder,
who was he quoting ?
Where was the quote to be found ?
I looked and looked, came up empty-handed !?

I wonder, Mr. Fredman, did you make it up ?
A fabrication ?
Perhaps you weren’t really telling the truth ?

Mr. Fredman, I’ve trusted your posts since forever.

Has my trust and confidence been ill-placed Mr. Fredman ?

I worry that your falsification has “cheapened your appeal.”

Walid
January 26, 2015, 7:44 pm

That’s a very encouraging article for the Palestinians. Black affinity with Zionism was doomed to fail because Zionism itself was oppression and this is still being seen today in Israel’s mistreatment of its black minority. Israel yanked black Jews and pseudo black Jews out of Africa as a PR stunt and once it had them in Israel walked all over them. Israel is a fake.

Rusty Pipes
January 26, 2015, 7:42 pm

(2b) The Jews Israel seeks out are white. Having targeted other large Ashkenazi populations in the past (“Save Russian Jewelry!”), Israel is tailoring its present appeals to one of the largest Jewish populations outside of Israel — France. Israelis consider all sorts of demographics threatening.

joemowrey
January 26, 2015, 7:23 pm

“The New York Times still feels more pressure from the right than it does from the left.”

Seriously? North expects us to believe that the reason the NYT is a Zionist (and Corporatist) propaganda rag, with Judi Rodoren as their star Zionist propagandist, is because they are under pressure from the right?

The NYT willfully engages in the most transparent and disgusting forms of yellow journalism and blatant propaganda because the owners and editors want to. And Judi Rudoren has proven time and time again that she is an extremely skilled spin doctor who crafts misrepresentation and misdirection into every piece she writes. She is a liar for hire.

North needs to get a clue.

Kathleen
January 26, 2015, 7:14 pm

Great idea Phil. Will do. Have called but will call again. Folks should also be clear with the aides they talk with. Iran has the legal right to enrich up to 20% for peaceful purposes as legal signatories to the NPT. Mention Israel has refused to sign the NPT and continues to refuse to sign. Bring this hypocrisy. Let them know you do not want Israel to drag the U.S. into another confrontation based on unsubstantiated claims. Explain why you do not want your Reps to attend and to vote no on any new sanctions.

tree
January 26, 2015, 7:14 pm

Or ever-friendly USA — is the USA accepting Jews now (as we didn’t in 1940s)?

I really wish that this misinformation would stop being spread around.
The US never barred foreign Jews from entering the country on the basis of their religion.

It did erect quotas in the 1920’s which severely limited immigration from Southern and Eastern European countries, enacted during a post WWI era of WASP nativism and anti-communist hysteria. It was just as much of a blow to Catholic immigrants as it was to Jewish ones in the 1920’s. German immigration was limited as well, but not as much as Southern and Eastern European immigration. Asian immigrants were barred completely and earlier Chinese immigrants to the US were barred from ever obtaining US citizenship. Its totally Judeocentric to describe the US immigration policy at the time as particularly biased against Jews. It wasn’t.

And as I have mentioned before, despite the quotas and restrictions, here and elsewhere during the Great Depression, between 1933 and 1940 432,000 German Jews, nearly two thirds of the Jews in Greater Germany (Germany and Austria with over 700,000 Jews) were able to immigrate to other countries in Europe, North and South America, Africa and Asia. It should be noted that up until late 1939, the only Jews who were believed to be in danger were the ones in Nazi Germany. Few if any thought that Nazi Germany would soon control much of Europe outside of its own borders.

The US alone took in at least 126,000 German Jews during this time. Some 90,000 were admitted from 1934-1939, with nearly half of those coming in 1939 (with numbers in excess of the US quota for German immigrants) and with an additional 36,000 in 1940. In fiscal year 1939, Jewish immigration to the US totaled 44,000 out of a total of ALL US immigrants from any country or religion, of 83,000. In other words, more than 1 out of every two immigrants to the US in 1939 were Jewish. In fiscal year 1940, US allowed in a sum total of 71,000 immigrants, and 36,000 of them were Jews.

Data found here:

link to ajcarchives.org

link to ajcarchives.org

Please, this idea that the US didn’t allow in Jews is false. The US certainly could have done more, but it didn’t do “nothing”, and it did more for Jewish refugees prior to and during WWII than it did for any other of the millions of refugees of the time. Jews were not the only ones suffering during this time.

Annie Robbins
January 26, 2015, 7:05 pm

the operative words being “As I see it”.

Unconditional solidarity means that you don’t question the counter-measures of the victims.

obviously we have different concepts of the meaning of “unconditional” and “solidarity”.

sometimes unconditionally supporting someone is telling them a truth they do not want to hear. every mother knows supporting (or being in solidarity with) their child unconditionally doesn’t mean giving them all the candy they want. supporting victims of rape unconditionally doesn’t mean facilitating a person committing suicide by getting them sharp razors either. it means doing everything, unconditionally, in your power, to facilitate a healing process or turning a right into a wrong. it doesn’t mean writing a blank check and turning over your moral compass to another entity. that’s not solidarity anymore than giving heroin to an addict is. while it might feel like support or solidarity to the addict if you know in your heart you are harming them, it may not fit your definition of solidarity. your judgement might be right, their judgement might be right, but no one is forcing you to have a lobotomy.

“regardless of the conditions i will be in solidarity with you” means you will not abandon someone no matter how bad it gets, it doesn’t mean assist them in harming themselves or others or taking action that run counter to their well being or your moral compass.

and potentially, everything in life is dangerous. if you look at the sky a bird could crap in your eye.

you can have the last word.

realpalestine
January 26, 2015, 7:04 pm

This misinformation propoganda campaign about syria and yarmouk started with talal alyen. He has been trying to trick real palestinians into thinking that the only person fighting for them the syrian leader bashar al assad is an enemy. but most palestinians know that president bashar is the only friend of the palestinians and they are not fooled by the lies and propoganda campaign that talal has started. i hope one day everyone who has fallen for his propoganda will realize he is just a zionist liar who is against palestinians! palestine and syria are one!

Kathleen
January 26, 2015, 7:03 pm

Thanks for that below Just. I know this has been discussed before but I still do not get why you can reply to some comments and not to others just below the comment?

traintosiberia
January 26, 2015, 7:01 pm

Nixon succeeded in torpedoing the Johnson administration’s planned engotiation with N Vietnam by reaching out to S Vietnmase and promising better deal. That was the treason but his secret landing in China for securing a better future with China was not .
Reagan’s suucceessful derailment of the negotiations to release hostage from Iran was a treason but not his withdrawal from Lebanon. Pelosi visit was not to undermine the Bush admisntration’s stated policy but to increase the chances. Netanyahu is not coming to bolster the adminsitration’s case for more engagement with Iran but to undermine it and to even rebuke the European leaders for having the same stand . He has conssitently undermined the US approaches to the peace process and to the settlement issues. He lies ( over Syrian gas attack ) He now openly working with Nursa Front and weakening Syrian regime in direct opposition to the efforts of US to curb and to eliminate the Jihadism . (link to consortiumnews.com)

Kathleen
January 26, 2015, 7:01 pm

McArthur a far cry from the leader of a foreign nation that continues to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran, continues to collect the largest sums of any other foreign nation, and a leader of a country that continues to build illegal housing in E Jerusalem and illegal settlements in the illegally occupied West Bank. A leader of a country that continues to undermine U.S. National Security and ultimately their own. McArthur/ Netanyahu…how does that go like comparing “apples to oranges”

Keith
January 26, 2015, 6:54 pm

YONAH FREDMAN- “Proposed: Iran’s nuclear bomb is my enemy.”

Logically, therefore, you would be in favor of a nuclear free Middle East, which Iran supports and US/Israel oppose.

Yonah Fredman: “mea culpa is the only Yiddish Phil Weiss knows”.

Somewhat clever phraseology, I found it amusing. I also liked “who do you love more charlie lindberg or gore vidal?” I don’t know what it means, but it sounds funny, and that is the important thing.

Boomer
January 26, 2015, 6:49 pm

It’s by Judi Rudoren, and it’s about a film censored by Israel, but still it’s worth reading: “Disillusioned by War, Israeli Soldiers Muted in 1967 Are Given Fuller Voice.” Her review of the film “Censored Voices,” which just opened at Sundance, begins:

“TEL AVIV — A young Israeli soldier, fresh from the front, bluntly recounts the orders from above. “They never said, ‘Leave no one alive,’ but they said, ‘Show no mercy,’ ” he explains. “The brigade commander said to kill as many as possible.”

“Another recalls encountering Arabs on rooftops. “They’re civilians — should I kill them or not?” he asks himself. “I didn’t even think about it. Just kill! Kill everyone you see.” And a third makes it personal: “All of us — Avinoam, Zvika, Yitzhaki — we’re not murderers. In the war, we all became murderers.

link to nytimes.com

Bornajoo
January 26, 2015, 6:48 pm

Arresting a 10 year old boy and assaulting his family, settlers shooting and stoning Palestinians, raids and assaults, ceaseless endless crimes

Just another day at the office for the Zionist thugs.
But it’s all being painstakingly recorded. And I’d love to see the day It’s all read out in a criminal court as it should be

Thank you Kate

traintosiberia
January 26, 2015, 6:33 pm

And he should still be “Wanted” for pilfering nukes and for destroying an American city with radioactive poluution.

traintosiberia
January 26, 2015, 6:32 pm

Remember what happened to the President of columbia when he interviewed Iranian President Ahmednezad ? It would be million times worst kind of insult to Iranianin President .

traintosiberia
January 26, 2015, 6:30 pm

Israel is teaming up with Saudi and again with al quida ( link to consortiumnews.com) Now it wants to show solidarity with “burqa wearing wome” in France . Sauidi might be corrupt,bigoted,and dying creatire trying to survive, but the “Burqa’ can give antisemtism brigade a pass .The last thing muslims in France need is to fall prey to the machinations . It will come to haunt them. I hope muslims dont turn out to be so stupid as made out by the zionists .

Atlantaiconoclast
January 26, 2015, 6:23 pm

Glad to see that so many here realize the accusation that Israel controls our foreign policy is not “anti Semitic,” but the truth. Getting this fact out to the masses CAN change the status quo, if only more would do that.

traintosiberia
January 26, 2015, 6:21 pm

link to youtube.com
The speech is by Caroline Glick but could have been from Kuthamare

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 6:16 pm

Gosh “Robert in Israel”, looking at those poems by a guy born in Spain, I could get mixed up about who the “oppressor” is.

“How shall I render my vows and my bonds, while yet
Zion lies beneath the fetter of Edom, and I am in the chains of Arabia?”

Those fetters of Edom and chains of Arabia binding pretty hard on you?

Yes, this Zionism on the Web site is very interesting.

straightline
January 26, 2015, 6:13 pm

@Yonah That is a pretty strong statement about giles. Can you cite evidence?

Not only have you made a response which is a “no response”, you have made a retraction which is “no retraction”.

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 6:09 pm

“I hate …/…in the head.”

Oy, the big macher speaks. Shlog zich kop in vant.

ivri
January 26, 2015, 5:49 pm

A good looking woman, lawyer, politically skilled organizer, aggressive, eccentric – the media loves this kind of figures, makes a living out of them.

Nevada Ned
January 26, 2015, 5:45 pm

There’s a lot that Obama could do if he really wanted to…

e.g., while Netanyahu is addressing the Congressional reps,

Obama could….

meet with a delegation of Israeli peace activists

encourage public discussion of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (Obama meets with survivors at the WH)

issue a public proclamation that Jonathan Pollard should stay in jail for life,

Revive the Larry Franklin case

If Obama doesn’t want to do this in person, he could have a surrogate to it.

There is no shortage of raw materials!

Netanyahu is a big fat juicy target.

just
January 26, 2015, 5:43 pm

So funny that you called him that! I think that every time I see his name in print! It is, however, botox gone awry. His brain is obviously frozen and his beard is in disarray…. I think he may have had a cocktail or two instilled with an excess dose of growth hormone.

Keith
January 26, 2015, 5:43 pm

PABELMONT- “…is the USA accepting Jews now (as we didn’t in 1940s)?”

Mondoweiss’ very own Tree has repeatedly commented on this. I take the liberty of copying and pasting one of her previous comments on this subject along with the link.

TREE COMMENT: “This gets repeated endlessly but it is totally wrong. The US never restricted immigration solely on the basis of religion. In the 1920’s, well before Hitler came to power, and in fact while he was serving time in prison, the US passed laws restricting immigration based on country of origin, in an attempt to maintain the numerical prevalence of Western and Northern European stock over newer Southern and Eastern Europeans, and Asians. German immigration, although limited by quotas, was not banned, and in fact from the 1930’s to early 1940’s its estimated that 140,000 German Jews immigrated to the US, and the total German Jewish immigration to other countries was on the order of 450,000 or 70% of the total German Jewish population of 600,000.

Jews were not restricted as Jews from immigrating to the US and they were the overwhelming majority of the immigrants arriving in the US from Germany during this time. Overall, from 1931-39, over 20% of all US immigrants were Jews, which was the highest Jewish percentage of any decade in US history. In 1939 alone, over 50% of ALL US immigrants were Jews.

During this same period, approximately 40,000 to 50,000 German Jews arrived in Palestine. This was only 10% of the total German Jewish immigration. Not only that, but the Zionists in Palestine, who were in charge of determining who exactly was allowed in to Palestine under British quotas had a selection process that put greater weight on whether a particular Jew was a Zionist, in good health and capable of materially aiding the Zionist cause and economy over the need or vulnerability of that particular Jew. Thus, sometimes a Jew from the US or the Americas were given preference over a German or Eastern European Jew, and young adults were given preference over the elderly or young children.

It should also be noted that during the time of the US immigration quotas, Ukrainians, who were dying in the millions from the forced starvation of the Holodomor, were almost completely cut off from any immigration to the US. Poles, who were as a nation suffering from the Soviet Union’s Great Terror were also nearly completely cut off from US immigration, as were other Eastern and Southern Europeans. The majority of the Europeans who were victimized by the massive curtailment of US immigration opportunities that occurred in the 1920’s and onward were religiously Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.

It should also be noted that during this time any immigration to the US from Asian countries was COMPLETELY prohibited, and those Asians who had immigrated earlier were prohibited from becoming naturalized US citizens.

I’m sick and tired of the lie that Jews were singled out for prohibition, and the lie that others were not as negatively impacted by the country restrictions as Eastern European Jews. The US restrictions doomed Ukrainian kulaks, Polish nationalists and others well before they doomed Eastern European Jews.” (Tree)
link to mondoweiss.net

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 5:40 pm

Oh, I’m sorry, can I get directions out of here? I thought I was at the thread where Hophmi was defending something he called Jewish Day Schools as powerful adjuncts in the fight against “assimilation”. I must have clicked the wrong one.

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 5:37 pm

“Seems to have worked up to now.”

Even obnoxiousness, as I have discovered to my chagrin, has its limits.

just
January 26, 2015, 5:36 pm

In the paraphrased words of the late, great Curly Howard:

sointenly, yonah. nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 5:33 pm

“What am I then?”

A jaded roue, I suspect, and frankly, no better than you should be.

just
January 26, 2015, 5:25 pm

I’m left to wonder if she is a friend of Mr. and Mrs. Jamie Rubin- Amanpour.

“When will the Times find a Jewish woman who works for the human rights organization B’Tselem and makes challah, and profile her, and tell us how she got to be a leftist? Or tell us how Haneen Zoabi got to be such a compelling political leader in Israel?”

A very good question. Maybe they could even bring themselves to do a story about a person from Ta’ayush or JVP or ISM….. there are many. David Shulman and Tzvia Thier are very wonderful beings:

link to mondoweiss.net

link to mondoweiss.net

Or, maybe they could just hire Max B. or Dan Cohen or Allison Deger or Kate to report the truth… perhaps even Phil Weiss!

jd65
January 26, 2015, 5:25 pm

Up today from The Real News and Max Blumenthal:

Edit: tried to play the embedded vid here and I get a message that the owner disallowed embedding. Go to youtube to watch if interested. Simply type in Max Blumenthal, limit results to “this week,” and it’ll be easy to find. Worth a watch as Max is, as usual, illuminating, informative, and pulls no punches.

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 5:17 pm

” I wonder if people like this ever wonder at all the dropping jaws when they say things like this?”

They always sound to me like hereditary aristocrats, defending their rights and privileges under the ancien regime.

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 5:08 pm

” which is community day schools with dual curriculums”

Hophmi, are we talkiong about private schools, which may, of course, be organized by any religion, as long as they meet state requirements, or are we talking about publicly funded education, in which state money is used to the benefit of one small sect, one disappearing denomination? That’s not very American, Hophmi, or have one particular sect of Jews been selected as a “protected species”?

eljay
January 26, 2015, 5:03 pm

>> tillkaneee: We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country.

Until you make “Jewish” the bureaucratic nationality of “Jewish State” and grant it – along with equality based on that bureaucratic nationality – to every citizen of, immigrant to and ex-pat and refugee from the geographic region comprising “Jewish State”, all you’ve got in Israel is Jewish supremacism, which is how you Zio-supremacists seem like it.

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 4:44 pm

Of course, it’s much easier to imagine there is some awful bargain struck by Jews, in which they must trade their religion and traditions to receive American citizenship and the benefits, rather than admitting that gee, maybe Judaism isn’t offering people something they like.

German Lefty
January 26, 2015, 4:39 pm

I think that unconditional solidarity is always dangerous. Of course, giving an example of every possible situation would take forever. That’s why I try to explain it that way:
As I see it, unconditional solidarity with the Palestinian struggle for equal rights would include approval of events like the Munich massacre. link to en.m.wikipedia.org
When 9/11 happened, Chancellor Schröder promised unconditional solidarity to the USA. In order to keep this promise, Germany participated in the Afghanistan war. A huge mistake!
Unconditional solidarity means that you don’t question the counter-measures of the victims. This is problematic, because victims of injustice can also be perpetrators of injustice, e.g. when injustice is fought with unjust means.

yonah fredman
January 26, 2015, 4:30 pm

straightline- I have not read anything about bibi’s role in Israel’s nuke. but i have read giles comments here and he is primarily a jew hater. so i prefer not to react to him.

(y’know what let me retract that, because now i will be forced to link to giles stupid comments. he is the nicest kindest man i have ever met and it is totally silly of me not to answer such a straight shooter and lover of mankind.)

just
January 26, 2015, 4:30 pm

Well, then we are in deep doo- doo, aren’t we?

just
January 26, 2015, 4:27 pm

Dear Kate~ I think that they poisoned Jaafar Awad.

Thank you for picking through the ruins again. Your contribution of preserving the truth with meticulous attention is incomparable.

I stand with you, and pray for peace and justice.

Teapot
January 26, 2015, 4:25 pm

And if my country were illegally occupying foreign territory and committed lots of war crimes, I certainly wouldn’t lay down my life for it. Instead I would consider it my duty as a citizen to speak out against my own country.

lysias
January 26, 2015, 4:16 pm

If Israel wants a war with Iran, so be it – it is their call – Israel is an independent country with an independent foreign policy (unlike mine). – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

It might have been their call before the International Military Tribunal of Nuremberg, but not after. That court decreed that waging aggressive war is the supreme war crime.

Teapot
January 26, 2015, 4:10 pm

We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country.

Except that I have a country because of my nationality, not my religion or ethnicity.

If we we’re going to lay down our lives for something it will be for a country, like ordinary people.

Some of my ancestors were Russian, but I’d never lay down my life for Russia. I am Muslim, but I’d never lay down my life for Saudi Arabia. Again, I am tied to my country because of my nationality, not because of religion or ethnicity.

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 4:04 pm

“Anyone who considers assimilation a problem is a raving racist.”

Don’t you see, Giles, as soon as Jews become individual citizens of a country, especially one which has no established religion, or religious test for office, and one that even goes so far to outlaw discrimination,(and extends those laws to Jews, while they still don’t to others) well, at that point each individual Jew, is free to define himself, and define himself in relation to his religion or his ethnic identification. Only family or social pressure can influence their decision, but ultimately, they can decide.

But for some reason, that gets Hophmi all upset. I can’t imagine why.

Laurent Weppe
January 26, 2015, 4:01 pm

We hope that no one will think us mysterious anymore

To be fair, it’s a resounding success: there’s nothing mysterious or even remotely exotic about a regime helmed by corrupt right-wingers using tribalistic jingoism and promises of preferential access to the scraps falling from the rich’s tables to divide the plebs and keep them under control.

Sulphurdunn
January 26, 2015, 4:01 pm

It’s just a tactic in the Israeli Lebensraum .

straightline
January 26, 2015, 3:52 pm

@Yonah Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have been saying that an Iranian bomb is 1 year, 2 years, less than 5 years away, for around 25 years – maybe more. And it has not happened. Meanwhile a number of more trustworthy sources – for instance ones that voiced serious doubts about the claimed active Iraqi WMD program – have been saying that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.

A rational human being would start to doubt the “Iran is about to get a bomb” sources.

Why a “no response” response (when is a response a “no response”) to giles statement that Netanyahu is a thief, and if he does have dual US-Israeli citizenship which some have claimed, a traitor. You accept that Netanyahu is a thief, but not that he is a liar?

If Israel wants a war with Iran, so be it – it is their call – Israel is an independent country with an independent foreign policy (unlike mine). But it is not a war that the US or any other Western country should fight – at least not on the side of the aggressor – Israel.

Sulphurdunn
January 26, 2015, 3:51 pm

“Jews should have the right to choose to stay in France or anywhere else on the planet Earth they wish to live…” Really? No hubris there of course. I wonder if people like this ever wonder at all the dropping jaws when they say things like this?

Walid
January 26, 2015, 3:49 pm

Why did the US go through the excercise of calling a conference of countries to save the Jews when none had any intention of taking in any of them? It was a wicked chapter in American history that more or less signaled that nobody cared what the Germans would do.

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 3:48 pm

“It has been going on for thousands of years all over the globe!”

My own American boyhood was a pinchbeck admixture of “Tom Sawyer” and “Call it Sleep” .

Sulphurdunn
January 26, 2015, 3:46 pm

I can’t begin to imagine what would happen if I told my kids who they could and couldn’t marry. Don’t be surprised if you get told to shove it.

Kris
January 26, 2015, 3:41 pm

@yonah: “Iran’s nuclear bomb is my enemy. (Logic: I have flesh and blood in Israel. Iran’s nuclear bomb is their enemy. Iran’s bomb is my enemy.”

U.S. intelligence agencies agree that Iran doesn’t have and is not trying to build a nuclear bomb. But just for the sake of discussion, what if Iran had a nuclear bomb, or, even better, hundreds of them, like Israel?

Wouldn’t your relatives be safer then, because it would be less likely that a crazy in Israel would spread radioactive fallout across the Middle East by nuking one of Israel’s “enemies”?

Wouldn’t the victims of Nagasaki and Hiroshima be old people now, instead of images burned into sidewalks, if Japan had had a deterrent to the U.S. nuclear bombs? Maybe the Iranians need some nuclear weapons, and should revise their present policy and religious prohibition against them?

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 3:36 pm

Just as a guess, Walid, I would venture that the US immigration policy during the WW2 years was probably made pretty restrictive by military interest. It may have been except for visas, pretty much shut down during that time.

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 3:28 pm

Hophmi, has a Jewish person in the US ever been required to profess or disclaim any religion, in whole or in part, before he or she is given US citizenship, and afforded their legal rights?
Has a Jewish person ever (ROTFLMSJHMAO) been required to marry a non-Jewish person, or pledge to bring up their kids as not Jewish, before being granted any of the rights afforded Americans? (and BTW, that these rights are being denied many other Americans only makes it more pointed.)

“But most often, it’s the end result of an upbringing that is devoid of any real Jewish content.”

Ah yes, and if anybody has the right and the obligation to render an informed yet completely objective and disinterested judgement on what “real Jewish content” is, it’s Hophmi.

And Hophmi, we were talking about Scrooge the other day, but I think you’re up there with Marley’s ghost. You forged that chain of credibility you drag, link by link.

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 3:18 pm

“lysias” you would know much more than me about this, certainly, but sometimes I get the feeling that the guy at the center of a world-wide military empire (I mean, we got all kinds of men ships and bases all over the place) is almost at the mercy of the officers commanding far-off forces, who can both precipitate actions and to some extent control the information about them. Especially when there are all kinds of local and other irregular forces both allied and opposing us. It’s a recipe for chaos no President can control.

tillkan
January 26, 2015, 3:18 pm

Zionism has alway been the ultimate assimilation trip. We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country. We have militaristic values, just like everybody else. We hope that no one will think us mysterious anymore. We are no longer the ones who identify with many places. If we we’re going to lay down our lives for something it will be for a country, like ordinary people. Hey Adolph, you win, we give up, we are no longer the types you despised.

John Douglas
January 26, 2015, 3:13 pm

Israel’s bad behavior toward Palestinians provokes Muslims to respond against Jews in European cities. The Israel right or wrong crowd pushes for emigration from Europe to Israel to assure European Jews’ safety. Cynicism at its highest level. It’s also doubly racist, (1) Jews belong in Israel because they are Jews and (2) The Jews Israel seeks out are Europeans thus to assure that Tel Aviv eclipses Beirut at the Paris of the middle east..

Mooser
January 26, 2015, 3:12 pm

Shorter Hophmi:
‘This year’s production of “Fiddler on the Roof” at IJC will be the best “Fiddler” ever!!!’

MHughes976
January 26, 2015, 3:10 pm

We have to remember that Martin Luther King was, or at least ended his days as, a Zionist: someone who believed that ‘the right of Israel to exist as a state of security’ is unquestionable. as he said in his letter to Rabbi Maurice Eisendrath of Sept.29 1967. He was not wildly keen to make his views known on the subject but when pressed he always, at least in that last phase, told the Zionists what they wanted to hear.
His reason seems to be something about identifying the opposition to Israel with ‘feudal’ oil interests, which was perhaps a typical left-wing idea of the time, though how someone who had actually been to Palestine could have decided to treat Palestinian people thrown off their poor land as if they were Saudi princes rolling in gold is beyond me.
However we do perhaps need to recall the great and continuing ability of Zionism to present itself as a progressive cause, more specifically as the progressive cause of giving all traditionally non-dominant groups in the West their various places of honour.

Walid
January 26, 2015, 3:04 pm

“… I have flesh and blood in Israel. Iran’s nuclear bomb is their enemy. ” (Yonah)

Yonah. the more you say, the more you’re exposing yourself. An Iranian bomb on Israel would kill more Moslems than it would kill Jews and a bomb on Israel would destroy Islam’s 3rd holiest site. Get a hold on your paranoia; take a nerve pill or a good stiff drink.