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tree
October 25, 2014, 11:07 pm

Jon,

Have you seen a headline in Israel over the death of 5 year old Inas Khalil? Do you know about these instances? Or do you only care about Israeli Jews getting killed? The incident that killed the Jewish baby has been plastered all over the news.

On Sunday, a man reportedly from the Jewish-only settlement of Yitzhar ran over Palestinian schoolchildren as they made their way towards their mothers after exiting a school bus in the West Bank town of Sinjil.

Five-year-old Inas Khalil died of her wounds shortly thereafter and another girl, also hit, was left in critical condition.

Instead of stopping to check on the children or calling for help, the man kept driving until he reached a nearby Jewish settlement, at which point he says he called the police.

Residents accused the settler of ramming the children deliberately, but Israeli police ruled the hit-and-run an accident, siding with the settler, who claims he fled out of fear of being hurt by the Palestinian crowd which gathered around the girls he maimed.

Raed al-Jabari, a 35-year-old Palestinian father and husband, was not so lucky when he hit Israeli settlers with his car in the Gush Etzion settlement bloc in late July. Al-Jabari insisted it was an accident and turned himself in to the police, reported Ma’an News Agency. But unlike the settler who killed Inas Khalil, al-Jabari was jailed for two months and ultimately died under suspicious circumstances.

Israeli authorities claim al-Jabari hanged himself in the bathroom at Israel’s Eshel prison, but the autopsy suggests the man was tortured to death, according to Palestinian officials. Either way, the disparity in treatment of the settler who killed Khalil versus that of al-Jabari is the essence of Israel’s apartheid regime that affords different, unequal rights to those under its rule.

Palestinian Ambassador to the United Nations Riyad Mansour responded to the latest settler hit-and-run by filing a complaint with the UN Security Council, accusing “extremist terrorist settlers” of launching intentional hit-and-run attacks against Palestinians in recent months.

Indeed, settlers slamming their vehicles into Palestinians in the occupied West Bank is a common occurrence that is routinely overlooked by the Israeli authorities as well as western media outlets.

In September, a six-year-old Palestinian girl was run over by a settler driver south of the occupied West Bank city of Hebron. In August, an eight-year-old Palestinian girl was hit by a settler vehicle in the southern West Bank, an act witnesses described as a deliberate attack. A week later, a 23-year-old Palestinian man was run over and killed by a settler vehicle in the central West Bank.

As far as this writer can tell, none of the perpetrators have been labeled “terrorists” nor have any been held accountable. But such is the nature of apartheid.

Its the grossly uneven treatment, based solely on whether the victim or perpetrator was Jewish or Palestinian that is the underlying story here and it stinks to high heaven.

piotr
October 25, 2014, 10:34 pm

Remember that this is the only safe place for Jews, who should abandon such dangerous locations of their exile like Boca Raton and Toronto and flock to the Promised Land, and bitterly complain that the villa is in the jungle, the village on the slope of volcano, the neighborhood is crappy and so on.

Apparently, when the spies told Moses that the land ahead has milk and honey they forgot some details, like the surcharge for kosher products.

JLewisDickerson
October 25, 2014, 10:21 pm

RE: “I keep waiting for the reformation.” ~ Weiss

AUDIO ACCOMPANIMENT: sound of crickets chirping

tree
October 25, 2014, 10:08 pm

jon,

Who were “the Arabs” who made the proposal?

I’ll quote at length from Hostage on this:

On September 29, 1947, the representative of the Arab Higher Committee, Jamal Husseini, appeared before the General Assembly Ad Hoc Committee hearing on Palestine. He said:

“The future constitutional organization of Palestine should be based on the following principles: first, establishment on democratic lines of an Arab State comprising all Palestine; secondly, observance by the said Arab State of Palestine of human rights, fundamental freedoms and equality of all persons before the law; thirdly, protection by the Arab State of the legitimate rights and interests of all minorities; fourthly, guarantee to all of freedom of worship and access to the Holy Places.”

There were minority proposals from the Second Subcommittee of the UNSCOP, the Second Subcommittee of the General Assembly Ad Hoc Committee, and from the Arab States during the 2nd Special Session of the General Assembly based upon Jewish and Arab cantons in a bi-national state.

The report of the 2nd Subcommittee of the Ad Hoc Committee is here:
link to un.org

Mr Malik of Lebanon offered the proposal for establishing a single federal union with separate Jewish and Arab states, based upon the model of the US Constitution during the 2nd Special Session:

“Principle number five: The Constituent Assembly, in defining the powers of the federal state of Palestine, as well as the powers of the judicial and legislative organs, in defining the functions of the cantonal governments, and in defining the relationships between the cantonal governments and the federal state, will be guided by the provisions of the Constitution of the United States of America, as well as the constitutions of the individual states of the United States of America. — Yearbook of the United Nations for 1947-48

Original 2012 comment from Hostage complete with his links here:

link to mondoweiss.net

JLewisDickerson
October 25, 2014, 9:42 pm

P.P.P.S. RE: “I wonder how much progress Israel has made in the ‘thorough and transparent investigation’ the US State Department said it expects Israel to make into the videotaped shooting/murder by the Israeli military of the two Palestinian teenagers (Nadim Nuwwara and Mohammad Mahmoud Odeh Salameh) during the Nakba Day protests outside Ofer prison in the West Bank back on May 15 (more than six months ago).” ~ me (from above)

HAARETZ EDITORIAL, May 30, 2014:

[EXCERPT] The report in Haaretz (Chaim Levinson and Amos Harel, Thursday) that a non-combat soldier attached to the Border Police force fired, contrary to regulations, at Palestinian protesters during the riots in Beitunia – apparently because of “boredom” – does little to advance the investigation into the death of two young Palestinians at the Nakba Day protest. However, it raises other troubling questions, which are no less serious.

The soldier, whose job and unit cannot be disclosed due to a military gag order, is connected primarily to communications. It is assumed that at a certain point he too wanted to shoot at the demonstrators and took a gun from a Border Policeman. Sources in the Chief Military Defense office, which is representing the soldier, said that as far as they know the soldier fired only two rubber bullets, and did so according to orders and with the approval of the commanders in the field.

This response not only underrates the events’ seriousness, but clouds the picture even more. Commanders of troops shooting people, even if “only” with rubber bullets, let a “visitor” accompanying them target human beings to increase his “enjoyment” of the mission? The awful moral failure underlying this incident requires the IDF to take a thorough account of itself, not only regarding the moral norms it inculcates in its soldiers, but also regarding military discipline. . .

ENTIRE EDITORIAL – link to haaretz.com

JLewisDickerson
October 25, 2014, 9:41 pm

P.P.P.S. RE: “I wonder how much progress Israel has made in the ‘thorough and transparent investigation’ the US State Department said it expects Israel to make into the videotaped shooting/murder by the Israeli military of the two Palestinian teenagers (Nadim Nuwwara and Mohammad Mahmoud Odeh Salameh) during the Nakba Day protests outside Ofer prison in the West Bank back on May 15 (more than six months ago).” ~ me (from above)

HAARETZ EDITORIAL, May 30, 2014:

[EXCERPT] The report in Haaretz (Chaim Levinson and Amos Harel, Thursday) that a non-combat soldier attached to the Border Police force fired, contrary to regulations, at Palestinian protesters during the riots in Beitunia – apparently because of “boredom” – does little to advance the investigation into the death of two young Palestinians at the Nakba Day protest. However, it raises other troubling questions, which are no less serious.

The soldier, whose job and unit cannot be disclosed due to a military gag order, is connected primarily to communications. It is assumed that at a certain point he too wanted to shoot at the demonstrators and took a gun from a Border Policeman. Sources in the Chief Military Defense office, which is representing the soldier, said that as far as they know the soldier fired only two rubber bullets, and did so according to orders and with the approval of the commanders in the field.

This response not only underrates the events’ seriousness, but clouds the picture even more. Commanders of troops shooting people, even if “only” with rubber bullets, let a “visitor” accompanying them target human beings to increase his “enjoyment” of the mission? The awful moral failure underlying this incident requires the IDF to take a thorough account of itself, not only regarding the moral norms it inculcates in its soldiers, but also regarding military discipline. . .

ENTIRE EDITORIAL – link to haaretz.com

tree
October 25, 2014, 9:36 pm

The police investigated Petlakh’s claim of anti-semitism and found it false. So he lied about the circumstances surrounding the assault, and Norton’s investigation places Petlakh among the group who harassed and attacked Kiswani. She complained about being punched immediately while in the arena on the video, well before Petlakh was assaulted outside the venue. It was not some “late damage control”.

You on the other hand are engaging in late damage control. Someone has been proven to have falsely reported an act as anti-semitic in order to punish another person for his political beliefs and you feel the need to divert from that fact, because it makes it clear that not all claims of anti-semitism are legitimate, and should be investigated before being bandied about as true. Shame on you.

JLewisDickerson
October 25, 2014, 9:35 pm

RE: “State Department calls for ‘speedy, transparent investigation’ of Israel’s killing of 14-year-old US citizen”

THAT REMINDS ME: I wonder how much progress Israel has made in the “thorough and transparent investigation” the US State Department said it expects Israel to make* into the videotaped shooting/murder by the Israeli military of the two Palestinian teenagers (Nadim Nuwwara and Mohammad Mahmoud Odeh Salameh) during the Nakba Day protests outside Ofer prison in the West Bank back on May 15 (more than six months ago).

* SEE – “US to Israel: Investigate killing of Palestinian teens”, by Yitzhak Benhorin, ynetnews.com, 5/21/14
Following release of footage documenting killing of two Palestinians near Ramallah, US State Department spokesperson says US expects Israel to ‘conduct a thorough and transparent investigation’.
LINK – link to ynetnews.com

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P.S. ALSO SEE:
Catalan Police in Israel: repression courses “Tested In Combat” [VIDEO, 05:40] – link to youtube.com
CATALAN POLICE TRAINING IN ISRAEL
VIDEO February 16, 2014
“Public security” training in Israel for police from Catalonia – or how to wage war on your own civilian population to protect the investments of bankster criminals!

SOURCE – link to roblosricos.wordpress.com

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P.P.S. RE: “Tested In Combat” ~ from the above video on Catalan police training in Israel

MY COMMENT – Here is a very powerful testimonial regarding the impact of Israel’s “tested in combat” marketing on policing here in the U.S.
An Israeli Soldier’s Story – Eran Efrati [VIDEO, 40:05] – link to youtube.com
Published on Mar 8, 2014
The talk by Eran Efrati was filmed in Denver, Colorado on March 3, 2014 as part of The Soldier and the Refusenik U.S. tour with Maya Wind. Eran talks about his experiences in the IDF and then more broadly discusses Israel, its relationship to the U.S. and the global expansion of militarism.

JLewisDickerson
October 25, 2014, 9:21 pm

RE: “A Palestinian teen with U.S. citizenship was killed today by the Israeli army at a demonstration in the West Bank town of Silwad, near Ramallah. Fourteen-year old Orwah Hammad was shot with a live bullet that entered his neck and exited through his head . . . The killing comes eight days after Israeli soldiers killed a 13-year-old boy during a raid on a West Bank village.” ~ Allison Deger

THAT REMINDS ME: I wonder how much progress Israel has made in the “thorough and transparent investigation” the US State Department said it expects Israel to make* into the videotaped shooting/murder by the Israeli military of the two Palestinian teenagers (Nadim Nuwwara and Mohammad Mahmoud Odeh Salameh) during the Nakba Day protests outside Ofer prison in the West Bank back on May 15 (more than six months ago).

* SEE – “US to Israel: Investigate killing of Palestinian teens”, by Yitzhak Benhorin, ynetnews.com, 5/21/14
Following release of footage documenting killing of two Palestinians near Ramallah, US State Department spokesperson says US expects Israel to ‘conduct a thorough and transparent investigation’.
LINK – link to ynetnews.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

P.S. ALSO SEE:
Catalan Police in Israel: repression courses “Tested In Combat” [VIDEO, 05:40] – link to youtube.com
CATALAN POLICE TRAINING IN ISRAEL
VIDEO February 16, 2014
“Public security” training in Israel for police from Catalonia – or how to wage war on your own civilian population to protect the investments of bankster criminals!

SOURCE – link to roblosricos.wordpress.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

P.P.S. RE: “Tested In Combat” ~ from the above video on Catalan police training in Israel

MY COMMENT – Here is a very powerful testimonial regarding the impact of Israel’s “tested in combat” marketing on policing here in the U.S.
An Israeli Soldier’s Story – Eran Efrati [VIDEO, 40:05] – link to youtube.com
Published on Mar 8, 2014
The talk by Eran Efrati was filmed in Denver, Colorado on March 3, 2014 as part of The Soldier and the Refusenik U.S. tour with Maya Wind. Eran talks about his experiences in the IDF and then more broadly discusses Israel, its relationship to the U.S. and the global expansion of militarism.

just
October 25, 2014, 7:33 pm

thanks, annie.

such great stuff.

oldgeezer
October 25, 2014, 7:28 pm

Great ad. If my friend bugs me enough one of these days I’ll make it to Richland. No trip would be complete without seeing Seattle.

Best case… No ads and the situation has been resolved with justice.

More hopeful case… I get to see some of the ads and they are having a huge impact.

The latest lawn mowing exercise has turned more people than I would have thought possible. I just hope no more innocents need to die on either side before common sense prevails (ok… I’m stretching too far but it’s not bad to hope).

David Gerald Fincham
October 25, 2014, 7:27 pm

Everyone involved in the Israel-Palestine negotiations towards a two-state solution has so far assumed that the final settlement will leave Israel within its current de facto borders, and Palestine consisting of the West Bank and Gaza. I have argued in my article that Palestine should receive additional territory from Israel, in compensation for territory outside its sovereign borders stolen by Israel in the 1948-49 war, and that this territory should be in the southern Negev.

Some commenters here have suggested an alternative approach: the land was stolen from Palestine in 1948; it should be returned to Palestine now. Israel would be reduced to the territory it declared in 1948. Israeli residents in the stolen land would be given a choice, stay in your homes and become Palestinian citizens, or move back into Israel, within its declared borders. I say to those commenters: your heart is in the right place, but you have lost your heads. Think it through. The two states have to agree their mutual border. The UN does not have authority to impose a solution. Can you produce a plan for political and legal action that could persuade Israel and Palestine to accept what you propose? None of the attempts since 1948 to resolve the conflict have given consideration to the idea that Israel should withdraw to the partition plan boundaries. I suggest that is because it is obviously doomed to failure.

My proposal has demonstrable benefits for the Palestinians. It is based on the idea of territorial compensation first raised in 1949 by Count Bernadotte, the Arab States and President Truman. I believe it has a chance of success.

I welcome constructive criticism. But please, it is not helpful to introduce wild alternative ideas that are not thought out, and then denigrate my work when I disagree with what you say.

hophmi
October 25, 2014, 6:28 pm

Totally non-credible story. No evidence whatsoever Peltakh was involved in taking the flag or that she was actually punched.

This is damage control, very late damage control, by the BDS protesters at the game.

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 6:22 pm

Meanwhile, a random visit to Google’s “Top Stories,” US edition has nothing to say on the matter. We do, however get this: ‘Honey Boo Boo’s “Mama June” Shannon reportedly lying about not dating convicted sex offender.”

Coverage can be found under the World link, but it’s all strangely muted: “Clashes in Jerusalem ahead of Palestinian attacker’s funeral.”

Urweh Hammed was shot and killed in the village of Silwad, north of Ramallah, according to Palestinian and Israeli sources.

Now what would prompt a young American-born Palestinian to end up at a roadside in the village of Silwad throwing stones or firebombs at a Jewish Settler roadway? Why was he there? Isn’t that just what Palestinians do?

Tensions have flared as the Jewish Sukkot holiday has brought increased visits by Jews accompanied by Israeli police to the Jerusalem holy site known to them as Temple Mount and to Muslims as Noble Sanctuary, with its al-Aqsa mosque complex.

Palestinians fear the visits, along with the moving-in of dozens of Israeli settlers to homes in a crowded Arab district in the shadow of the holy compound, aim to deepen Israel’s claim to the city as its eternal and indivisible capital.

So Israel illegally expands its claims into yet another chunk of Palestine, inflaming the local population, who fight back and are summarily gunned down by a bunch of cowards hiding in the shadows with automatic weapons. But there is no overall linkage of events that I can see. Certainly no linkage between what Israel is doing on the one hand and America’s antiseptic reaction to the murder of one of its citizens on the other by a nation whose actions are in direct violation to America’s stated objectives.

So now stone throwing or Molotov Cocktail hurling become akin the infamous “rockets,” that Israel claims they have a “right” to defend against, all existing outside the bounds of cause and effect.

I know if it were my kid, I’d be down at the State Department demanding answers.

tree
October 25, 2014, 6:19 pm

jjs
hate to inform you, but that is one dumb comparison; you don’t seem to be aware of the fact that stone-throwing (preferably on motorists driving on roads or highways) are an exclusively Palestinian past-time. There is no record that I know of Israelis doing the same thing to Palestinians.

Ever think that maybe the reason why you don’t know of any Jews throwing stones at Palestinians is because you are poorly informed, rather than that such incidents don’t occur? I have read of numerous cases of Israeli Jewish stone throwers, with both Palestinians AND Israeli police or military personnel being the victims of such attacks.

Here’s a few current hits on the subject:

Arab Woman Slightly Injured by Stone Throwing in Jewish Quarter

(from 2 days ago)

link to israelnationalnews.com

Two Palestinians Attacked By Settlers In Jerusalem

(from one week ago, includes settlers rioting and throwing stones at police)

Ultra-Orthodox Jews throw stones at Arab house in northern Jerusalem

link to timesofisrael.com

Stone-throwing, an old Jewish custom

by Amira Hass in Haaretz

link to haaretz.com

Ultra-Orthodox Jewish Men Vandalize Buses Displaying Images of Young Girls

(includes throwing stones)

link to news.vice.com

Right-wing extremists attack IDF base in West Bank

(yes, this is Jewish settlers attacking an IDF base)

link to jpost.com

Why IDF soldiers stand idly by when settlers attack Palestinians

link to 972mag.com

And from BTselem, on casualties during the second intifada:

Mustafa Mahmoud Musa ‘Alian
47 year-old, resident of Askar R.C, Nablus district, killed on 14 Nov 2000 in Kfar Malik, Ramallah and al-Bira district, by stones throwing. Did not participate in hostilities when killed Additional information: Killed as a result of being hit in the chest by a rock when settlers threw stones at a car he was riding in.

There are many more instances, but these give you a small flavor of the existence of Jews who throw stones in Israel/Palestine. Hopefully you will now understand that just because you haven’t heard of something it doesn’t mean that the practice doesn’t exist, or even mean that it isn’t prevalent.

David Gerald Fincham
October 25, 2014, 6:00 pm

American: I did not mention the West Bank settlements in my article. Please read it more carefully.

David Gerald Fincham
October 25, 2014, 5:48 pm

oldgeezer: my article says nothing about the illegal settlements in the West Bank. Please read it again.

Shingo
October 25, 2014, 5:08 pm

And shame on NPR for hosting friedman regarding his accusations sans one Palestinian voice.

I agree Annie, but even Bronner does a half decent job of exposing the absurdity and baselessness of friedman’s pathetic arguments.

Michael Rabb
October 25, 2014, 4:52 pm

Hey ! I’m in Oakland for Answer Coalition’s Block the Boat. If someone asks why we are blocking the boat I’ll hold up my sign that says, “Did you hear about Gaza? Jews killed thousands.” Michael Rabb

Annie Robbins
October 25, 2014, 4:51 pm

i’m not counting out the probability there have been incidences throughout the history of the occupation that a military spokesperson has been truthful, on occasion. but it’s not even close to the norm. simply no compelling reason to believe anything they say, which is their own fault. lying with impunity is what they do, and everyone knows it except brainwashed lemmings.

jon s
October 25, 2014, 4:50 pm

Horizontal,
I haven’t read Judis’ book, but , from the citation you provided, I think he’s wrong:
After ten years Palestine would have become an independent Arab state, not a bi-national one. The Arab side never agreed to the bi-national option, which implies recognition of the Jews as a legitimate nation in Palestine, with whom the land is to be shared.
Moreover , I doubt that the Arab leadership proposed allowing 75,000 immigrants over five years. They didn’t accept any Jewish immigration.

The discussion here was focused on 1947-48, and you went back to 1939, but that’s ok, the Arab position was consistent.

I would sincerely appreciate any proof of Arab support for the bi-national option. I will have learned something new.

just
October 25, 2014, 4:34 pm

Beat me too it, Annie. Well said.

They murder. They lie. That is all.

michelle
October 25, 2014, 4:23 pm

.
bought the Brooklyn Bridge
got it for a song
moving in tomorrow
want to come along
.
G-d Bless
,

Annie Robbins
October 25, 2014, 4:08 pm

Said to be even more disturbing than the infamous Abu Ghraib photographs that sparked a global furor in 2004,

yeah, that was reported back in the day.that’s why we were not allowed to see them. probably rapes and stuff. or setting dogs on them or making them perform disgusting acts. on eachother or animals or something.

Annie Robbins
October 25, 2014, 4:05 pm

. Israel has more incarcerated people than all other countries worldwide.

do you mean proportionately?

seafoid
October 25, 2014, 3:58 pm

link to theguardian.com

“A top Israeli minister said on Saturday there was a “crisis” in the country’s relations with the United States that must be fixed.

Finance minister Yair Lapid’s comments came a day after US officials said the Obama administration refused Israeli defense minister Moshe Yaalon’s requests to meet several top national security aides.

The White House and the State Department rejected Israeli proposals for meetings with vice-president Joe Biden, national security adviser Susan Rice and secretary of state John Kerry on his five-day trip to the US. The administration is still angered by negative comments Yaalon made about Kerry’s peace efforts in the middle east and nuclear negotiations with Iran”

Annie Robbins
October 25, 2014, 3:57 pm

israel’s already claiming the boy was about to throw a molotov cocktail. this is now the explanation why he was shot. before it was announced he was an american they said he threw stones. they also claimed the nakba day sniper slaughter of the boys was a result of stone throwing but video proved otherwise.

israel lies w/impunity. a sniper took out the boy, likely because soldiers were sport hunting children again.

seafoid
October 25, 2014, 3:48 pm

And the “we are Jews and we can damn well do what we want” logic runs into the ground when Israel is more backward than Alabama 1959.

seafoid
October 25, 2014, 3:37 pm

The occupation is slowly corroding whatever the point of Judaism was.
As Galbraith said about the economic crash of the 1930s

“The conventional wisdom”gives way not so much to new ideas as to “the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend”.

Zionism is due the same fate

Kay24
October 25, 2014, 3:36 pm

How speedy? Say until it is never really solved? This is all American eye wash. They murmur the appropriate words at this time, then let the matter drop. How many of these unfortunate incidents concerning Americans have they ever pursued and got justice for those Americans?
Just like those illegal settlements and the disapproval the State Department shows whenever Israel announces even more, nothing is done to condemn and hold Israel accountable for.
So this incident too, will be forgotten and only fizzle away. So unfortunate.

tree
October 25, 2014, 3:35 pm

No, Donald, Alterman is NOT right. Yonah’s current description of what happened to him and his description at the time make clear that he was not barred from attending because he was Jewish.

Here’s is Yonah’s side of the story from February 2013:

link to mondoweiss.net

One side of the story, but yonah makes it clear that whatever transpired was not discrimination on the basis of his religion/ethnicity.

ckg
October 25, 2014, 3:34 pm

Poor Jen must have been in a rush to leave the office on Friday and forgot to proofread her statement. The “local authorities” in Area A, including Silwad, are Palestinian. I doubt she wants them to lead the investigation.

Philip Munger
October 25, 2014, 3:32 pm

a tiny village on the slopes of the volcano

I live in Alaska, where we have dozens of active volcanoes. Nobody builds villages anywhere near them, let alone on their slopes. So Friedman is comparing Israel to Pompeii?

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 3:30 pm

Thanks.

Those are some beautiful ads from the 2012 link. Sadly, they’re still necessary in 2014 and beyond . . .

Boy, would I love to be on that jury if the case comes to that.

Annie Robbins
October 25, 2014, 3:29 pm

Wonder what is in that koolaid they drink over there.

speaking of koolaid, this reminded me of another one of SeaMAC’s efforts, Apartheid Adventures (dozens of videos!)

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 3:24 pm

“Close the curtains so the segregation will come as a surprise!”

Kay24
October 25, 2014, 3:24 pm

It is that freebie trip to Israel that we must watch out for. It clearly shows that after accepting that, most recipients end up being eternally devoted to dear zioland. Our members of congress takes it, members of the media (Chris Matthews and recently Jay Leno) and they even offer it to students. Wonder what is in that koolaid they drink over there.

Bornajoo
October 25, 2014, 3:16 pm

@Horizontal
Exactly!
And these nasty racist disgusting settlers do so with complete impunity with the full protection of the IDF, the same hero warriors that valiantly shot a 14 year old boy through the head and many others before him. But jjs’ mind has been programmed to deflect any facts which could possibly criticise the pure and angelic GOI. The hasbara firewall is very effective

Denis
October 25, 2014, 3:15 pm

@talknic: Well, from at least the Roman era, without the help of the Zionist Federation, Jewish folk could and did hold Palestinian citizenship

Beg pardon?? What, exactly, did “Palestinian citizenship” look like under the Crusader’s occupation in the 12th c. AD, or under the Mongols in the 13th C., or under the Ottomans — to name but a few.

Annie Robbins
October 25, 2014, 3:14 pm

I am wondering why some of these campaigns do not use that haunting picture of the Pope with the words “FREE PALESTINE” in some of these campaigns.

that’s a good idea for an ad kay.

re block the boat, SeaMAC volunteers are literally everywhere and active on all fronts. who could forget their hounding of bill gates! a friend of mine works for the gates foundation and she called me from her office one day “they’re out there right now!!” link to mondoweiss.net

here’s the video again, literally relentless activists!

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 3:12 pm

What would be great would be for Obama to invite Ya’alon to the White House and while he’s there, announce that the US is sending in the Navy to lift the blockade of Gaza and begin construction of a new port facility. See how an Israeli politician likes getting blindsided for a change.

I know, I know, I’m dreaming . . . but let me enjoy it for a few moments.

Rusty Pipes
October 25, 2014, 3:10 pm

The UN could clarify that it recognizes Israel within its 1948 declared boundaries, making any properties claimed by the Israel Land Authority outside those boundaries beyond its jurisdiction. Placing the responsibility upon the ILA to provide housing within its boundaries for Israeli citizens should go hand in hand with facilitating the Right of Return for Palestinians whose property had been confiscated by the ILA outside Israel’s boundaries.

On the other hand, the 181 borders do leave those remaining Palestinians with a higher concentration of right-wing Zionist neighbors.

seafoid
October 25, 2014, 3:04 pm

Segregated buses hits the spot nicely.

Good old Jim Crow Judaism.

chet
October 25, 2014, 3:04 pm

“Israel is the only country on earth that can kill an American citizen and suffer zero consequences.”

USS Liberty

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 3:04 pm

jjs ~

There is no record that I know of Israelis doing the same thing to Palestinians.

Try here:

In Hebron district, Israeli settlers hurled stones at and attacked civilians in the villages of Al
Baqa’, Al Edaisiya, As Sahla, Wadi al Maghir, Bani Na’im and near the Ibrahim mosque in
Hebron City.

Settler Violence Summary

Regardless of the weapons used, settler violence on Palestinians — whether it be rocks, fists, clubs or guns — is well-documented, unjustified and ongoing.

Annie Robbins
October 25, 2014, 2:59 pm

unofficially, they got hounded by the lobby.

in the second paragraph of the article above i embedded a link to Silenced in Seattle, SeaMAC presses on with ads against settlements, child imprisonment and collective punishment link to mondoweiss.net

it contains a press release from Jan 2012, here’s a quote from it with the official response from king co metro:

King County Metro then twice revised its advertising policy to prevent any “public issue advertising expressing or advocating an opinion, position or viewpoint on matters of public debate about economic, political, religious or social issues”. In spite of that policy, King County Metro has since accepted advertisements for the Mormon religion and a labor rally, as well as a recent ad that said “Buy American”.

“It’s hard to see how King County has been unbiased or ‘viewpoint neutral’ when they have continued to run other political and religious advertisements while censoring ours,” said SeaMAC volunteer Edward Mast.

just
October 25, 2014, 2:55 pm

More squealing from the sfb rogues’ gallery– don’t they know it doesn’t work anymore?

I found this tidbit:

“Tonight I was examining AP’s recent reports on Israel-Palestine and noted additional articles by Matti Friedman. Since they all seem to contain such distinctly pro-Israel bias I decided to look into Friedman more to see what I could learn about his/her background.

It turns out that Friedman is male, grew up in Canada, and at the age of 16 won a “Bronfman Youth Fellowship” for an all-expense-paid five-week summer trip to Israel for Jewish high school students from North America to “encounter the land and people of Israel [and] study Judaism and major issues in contemporary Jewish life.”

The next year he moved to Israel, where he settled and has lived since 1995. And yes, he served in the Israeli military.”

link to israelpalestinenews.wordpress.com

Quelle surprise.

jon s
October 25, 2014, 2:47 pm

As to the “request to readers”:
The origins and background of Israel’s declaration of independence have been researched extensively, including the various drafts. See here, for example:

link to jtr.lib.virginia.edu

link to muse.jhu.edu

link to mfa.gov.il

link to muse.jhu.edu

just
October 25, 2014, 2:33 pm

My hope is that the WH did this not because of Ya’alon’s “criticisms” but because of his and Israel’s cruel and illegal actions this summer and beyond.

From your linked article, Kay:

“Ya’alon condemned the way the U.S. was dealing with Iran in harsh terms, going as far as implying that President Barack Obama was avoiding taking action, preferring instead to leave the matter to his replacement. “People know Iran cheats,” he said, “But comfortable Westerners prefer to put off confrontation. If possible, to next year, or the next president. But in the end, it will blow up.”

At the same conference Ya’alon said that if the administration continues to show weakness on the international stage, American national security would suffer a great blow. “If you sit and wait at home, the terrorism will come again,” he said. “Even if you hunker down, it will come. This is a war of civilizations. If your image is feebleness, it doesn’t pay in the world. Nobody will replace the United States as global policeman. I hope the United States comes to its senses. If it doesn’t, it will challenge the world order, and the United States is the one that will suffer.”

On Saturday, Finance Minister Yair Lapid commented on what he termed a crisis in relations between Israel and the U.S. “These are vitally important relations for Israel, and we must do everything we can to solve the crisis and resume good relations,” Lapid said in an event in Tel Aviv.

“Sometimes you need to know how to say thank you, and we should treat the relations between Israel and the U.S. with responsibility and respect.””

No insight, no sense of responsibility, only more aggression from anyone in the GoI… saying “thank you” ain’t gonna cut it.

As Bornajoo says below, these monsters should be arrested.

(the comments in the Haaretz article are a hoot– and not a good hoot)

Kay24
October 25, 2014, 2:32 pm

Anyone dumb enough to continue a brutal occupation must expect those people to resist it at every opportunity and means available. The occupy, blockade, steal lands,,, trees, water, and resources, and expect the victims of these crimes to smile and sing Kumbaya. The occupier can wield power, do whatever the hell it wants, but hey no one can dare to respond. The zionist nation gets away with it, because the US shields it, aids it, and is compliant in all its crimes.
Israel provokes, attacks, bombs, steals, lies, and then acts outrage that they live in a hostile neighborhood. What a hoot!

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 2:24 pm

Sorry for the double post. Tried to edit, and this is what I got.

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 2:21 pm

Anyone dumb enough to perch their house on a volcano should expect a bit of heat from time to time.

And let me add — while yawning — that if those olive groves had belonged to Jewish settlers and had been uprooted by Arab “terrorists,” it would be up there with the crime of the century.

Apparently there’s only one tired arrow in the Zionist quiver.

Kay24
October 25, 2014, 2:21 pm

Folks in the West coast seem to be doing really great work. I also refer to those standing up to Israel and blocking the boats in CA, a wonderful effort I must say.
This ad campaign is very welcome at this time, because the Gaza massacre is still fresh in our minds, and it is good to be reminded about what our tax dollars keeps supporting.

I am wondering why some of these campaigns do not use that haunting picture of the Pope with the words “FREE PALESTINE” in some of these campaigns. No one can pretend to be offended by that one.

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 2:20 pm

Anyone dumb enough to perch their house on a volcano should expect a bit of heat from time to time.

And let me add — while yawning — that if those olive groves had belonged to Jewish settlers and had been uprooted by Arab “terrorists,” it would up there with the crime of the century.

Apparently there’s only one tired arrow in the Zionist quiver.

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 2:09 pm

Portland does it again!

This is a great campaign, and a necessary one, in order to break through the droning pro-Israel background music that we’re all subjected to in the US. I think that the more people are made aware of Israel’s conduct and the amount of support that they keep getting from the US taxpayers, the more unjustified the entire set-up will become.

Tell me, what was the reason given by the Seattle Transit Co or whatever they call themselves for backing out of displaying the ads?

a blah chick
October 25, 2014, 2:08 pm

“State Department calls for ‘speedy, transparent investigation’ of Israel’s killing of 14-year-old US citizen”

I’m sure they’ll get to that after the “speedy and transparent” investigation into Tariq Abu Khdair’s beating.

Annie Robbins
October 25, 2014, 2:07 pm

Phil, not sure if you embedded this link because i have not opened them all yet, but i highly recommend this article, a response to Matti Friedman’s tablet article by Steven Gutkin, AP Jerusalem bureau chief, the guy who hired Friedman and whom many of Friedman’s accusations were directed towards. Gutkin calls the Tablet article “little more than well-written hogwash.”

link to goastreets.com

And shame on NPR for hosting friedman regarding his accusations sans one Palestinian voice.

The Dirty Democrat
October 25, 2014, 1:56 pm

No one has a “God given right” to get away with murder. Israel should be the “light in the desert” instead of the largest terrorist state in the world except, perhaps, Somalia.
Israel has more nuclear warheads than any country except the US. Israel has more incarcerated people than all other countries worldwide. Israel has more aggressive weapons than any other country except China and the US. Israel has the most militant, far right chief executive in the world. This tells me Israel is not the poor little country it tries to portray. Israel is a monster than needs caged for eternity or until it abides by the laws of the UN and common decency.

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 1:56 pm

Yes, a speedy & transparent investigation into the killing of an American child, or else . . .

Actually, with Israel, there never is an or else.

Stephen Shenfield
October 25, 2014, 1:38 pm

If it’s only “probably” there must be some way to get round it. If there wasn’t it would be “certainly” not “probably”.

Bornajoo
October 25, 2014, 1:37 pm

@Kay24
“arrogant creature” is way too kind a description for this monster. He should have been arrested as soon as he touched down at the airport for war crimes. Instead he’s having coffee at the Whitehouse. Incredible

American
October 25, 2014, 1:36 pm

@ citizen

I hardy know where to start with that article and wonder why I bother since I’ve done this before.
When I read something that doesn’t really prove what it is saying and find some outright lies or ignorance in it then I have to label it one of several things:

1) A professor like this author who wants to ‘publish’ and establish some kind of ‘position’ for himself within some current issue and so churns out this stuff—-the CZ critic field not being quite as full up as the I-Lobby critic field.
2) Hasbara to take the heat off zionist or Jews or the Lobby.
3) A religious or other ‘professional’ who wants to make a buck writing about the religious angle or whatever his specialty may be by writing abut its role in politics or veggie diets or what the hell ever.

I am only going to pick out two examples in this article

First—Reagan as a true believer CZ:…….if so he certainly didn’t act or talk by the God gave the Jews all of Israel CZ credo.

Ronald Reagan never visited Israel

Reagan never attended a AIPAC conference.

Ronald Reagan identified himself as a Presbyterian during most of his adult life.
Reagan was a Presbyterian although his father was Catholic and he took after his mother’s religious views.
Reagan described himself as a ‘practical christian’
Books that influenced him were ones, he said, contained “heroes who lived by standards of morality and fair play.”

link to heritage.org

From: “Ronald Reagan Facts” page on the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation & Library website (link to reaganfoundation.org):

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Reagan ‘s support of Israel was based of his two biggest hates yu could say—-communism which he said was ‘ungodly’ and the Evil Empire of the USSR. So Reagan strategy in fortifying Israel as a bulwark against Soviet client states in the Middle East.

Ronald Reagan halted shipments of cluster bombs to Israel during its attack on Lebanon.

It was Reagan who told the FBI to open up a investigation into AIPAC when his administration’s position and confidential business information on a bilateral trade deal was stolen from the Commerce Dept and passed to AIPAC

The first crisis of Israel ties during Reagan’s presidency was occasioned by Israel’s attack in June 1981 on Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor.

Reagan, a proponent of nuclear power in the United States, was upset that an ally ostensibly was reinforcing perceptions that all nuclear power posed dangers, and he suspended arms shipments to Israel in response. Reagan said Iraq, which the United States then supported, may have been persuaded to use the nuclear reactor for peaceful purposes.

Reagan also resented the lobbying by Israel and its supporters against the sale of AWACS spy planes to Saudi Arabia in 1981. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, outraged that Reagan was reneging on a campaign promise so soon after his election, got the House of Representatives to oppose the sale.

When the battle went to the Senate, Reagan, eager for a triumph with an irascible Congress, played hardball. He and his aides raised the specter of dual loyalty charges.

“The administration was out there saying ‘Reagan or Begin,'” recalled Ira Forman, then a political director for AIPAC and now the executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council.

Begin’s opposition to the sale especially peeved Reagan, and on Oct. 1 of that year, Reagan famously said “It is not the business of other nations to make American foreign policy.”

That set off a wave of anti-Semitic hate mail to senators. The AWACS sale triumphed in the Senate, and the apparent succumbing to warnings about excessive Jewish influence was a shock for a pro-Israel community that had been confident in its influence since the Yom Kipper war.

Reagan attempted to make amends after the vote by proposing a strategic relationship with Israel in November 1981. Begin and the Knesset surprised Reagan a month later by annexing the Golan Heights, territory claimed by Syria.

Reagan withdrew his offer, and two months after Reagan’s October remark Begin got his own back at Reagan: Israel was nobody’s “banana republic,” the Israeli prime minister said, a defiant statement that undermined Reagan’s desire to appear in control of events.

Less than a year later, in June 1982, tempers flared again when Israel invaded Lebanon in order to oust the PLO from its stronghold there. Israel said it got a “yellow light” from Secretary of State Haig — a fact that helped accelerate Haig’s departure from office.

More substantially, Reagan secretly formulated a plan not only to pull Israeli troops out of Lebanon, but to force Israel into withdrawing from the West Bank and Gaza. He ultimately envisioned Palestinian autonomy in a federal system with Jordan.”

The United States supported the applicability of the Geneva Convention and the unlawful character of settlements until February 1981 when President Ronald Reagan disavowed this policy by asserting that settlements are “not illegal.” President Reagan’s policy has been sustained, implicitly, by subsequent U.S. administrations, all of whom have declined to address the legal issue, although they have all opposed, with varying emphasis, settlements or settlement expansion.

The United States will not support the use of any additional land for the purpose of settlements during the transitional period. Indeed, the immediate adoption of a settlement freeze by Israel, more than any other action, could create the confidence needed for wider participation in these talks. Further settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel and only diminishes the confidence of the Arabs that a final outcome can be freely and fairly negotiated.

I want to make the American position well understood. The purpose of this transitional period is the peaceful and orderly transfer of authority from Israel to the Palestinian inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza. At the same time, such a transfer must not interfere with Israel’s security requirements.”

link to cmep.org

AND this from his article..?:

‘’ Littell was one of the original founders of the contemporary Israel-first ideology that Falwell came to embrace. In the 1950s and early 1960s when France was Israel’s strongest ally and chief weapons provider, Littell became concerned for the State.
Littell’s mobilisations proved to be successful on two issues that were critical for Israel. In both efforts Littell was a major player in creating a verdict in Israel’s favour. The first came in 1978 when the US was considering the sale of F-15s and other reconnaissance equipment to its Middle East ally, Saudi Arabia. Israel and the Israeli lobby in the US applied heavy [End Page 78] pressure on Congress and President Jimmy Carter’s administration to withdraw the sale commitment. Israel’s persistent efforts, however, did not pay off until Littell helped organise a considerable number of Christians to head to Washington D.C. and call on the Carter Administration to block the sale. Their efforts were successful and the US withdrew its offer to sell the reconnaissance planes and equipment.

The second issue came about during the mobilisation in Washington against the sale of AWACS to the Saudis.””

AND note please that the author then skips over saying whether the CZs were successful in the ‘second issue’ against the sale of AWACS to Saudi…he just lets the ‘implication’ that they were hang there.

NONE of it is true:

” In February 1978 Carter authorized the transfer of two hundred advanced combat aircraft and surveillance equipment to three countries in the Middle East—-supplying sixty F-15s to Saudi Arabia, fifty F-5Es to Egypt, and a combination of ninety F-15s and F-16s to Israel. Six months later he gave preliminary approval to the sale of another $12 billion worth of high-tech weaponry to Iran.
Other major sales of this sort were announced in the final months of his administration.

link to americanforeignrelations.com

The AWACS Sale: Prospects for U.S, Policy”
http://www.heritage.org/…/the-awacs-sale-prospects-f...
The Heritage Foundation
Oct 16, 1981 – Good for US Washington Post September 20, 1981
Reagan letter to congress chiefs REAFFIRMS sale of awacs to Saudi…

SAUDI AWACS DEAL PASSES $8 BILLION – NYTimes.com
http://www.nytimes.com/…/saudi-awacs-deal-passes-8-billio...

I never read anything by anyone even critics of the Lobby or Israel without checking them out and checking our what they claim in their statements—–I want ‘to verify their claims’ before I incorporate them into my arguments against Israel and the Lobby and open myself to being accused of the same inane ‘factless’ hasbara as the zio trolls and I-mouthpieces. I suggest others should do the same on everything to the best of their ability.
W&M had 400 pages of evidenced foot notes for their claims in The Israel Lobby—-When someone can do the same on the CZ Lobby and offer more than LeHay and his ‘Left Behind’ and second hand hearsay from the President of AIPAC claiming he knew Reagan had a conversation with one of his staff about how he wanted ‘doomsday’ to happen during his administration as footnotes — let me know.

piotr
October 25, 2014, 1:32 pm

My bad, “civility” is the proper word. As far as role models for Jewish youth are concerned, the standard is (Wiki:) Bnei Akiva, the largest religious Zionist youth movement in the world. You can check the Wiki page for “Controversies”:

In July 2014 Rabbi Noam Perel, secretary-general of World Bnei Akiva [...] wrote on his Facebook page: “An entire nation and thousands of years of history demand revenge … The government of Israel is gathering for a revenge meeting that isn’t a grief meeting. The landlord has gone mad at the sight of his sons’ bodies. A government that turns the army of searchers to an army of avengers, an army that will not stop at 300 Philistine foreskins”. According to Ha’aretz newspaper, he was “alluding to the biblical tale of David, who killed 200 Philistines and gave their foreskins to King Saul as the bride price for his daughter”.

Later Rav Noam issued an apology, it gives bad example to the younglings to take such liberties when quoting the Holy Book (like 300 rather than 200).

Citizen
October 25, 2014, 1:22 pm

I noticed the same thing and agree with your guess as to why he made his qualification. Getting harder to be as loose with the facts as he’s been for so long.

piotr
October 25, 2014, 1:18 pm

True liberals believe in universalist ethic, and Zionism as practiced is predicated on tribal ethic, so it a true and non-confused liberal has to oppose the practices of the State of Israel. And if those practices are necessary for the survival of that state, than the whole concept is a mistake.

Anti-Zionism falls under the definition of “new anti-Semitism”, but I do not believe that new anti-Semitism is anything to be ashamed of, unlike the genuine “paleo-anti-Semitism”. And paleo-anti-Semites are as likely to admire State of Israel as oppose.

Kay24
October 25, 2014, 1:08 pm

At last the White House does something we can approve of:

“The White House refused to give Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon an audience with Vice President Joe Biden, Secretary of State John Kerry, and National Security Advisor Susan Rice during his trip to the United States this week, senior American officials confirmed Friday. The reason for the cold shoulder was a number of statements Ya’alon made six months ago, in which he criticized the Obama administration and Kerry in particular.”

link to haaretz.com

They may not act on the murder of this poor kid, at least they have treated this arrogant creature like he should be treated.

Kay24
October 25, 2014, 1:02 pm

Blownaway, all Palestinian kids are confronted and dealt with by the brutal IDF. Remember the two Palestinian kids who were killed during the Nakba anniversary? They were shot by what seemed to be snipers among the military troops. The poor Palestinians are no match for the IDF and their deadly weapons, and there is a huge discrepancy in the way illegal settlers who act like terrorists are handled, and the way the occupied Palestinians are treated. The Palestinians are killed like flies, the settlers hardly a scratch, and get away even with murder.

pjdude
October 25, 2014, 12:45 pm

she had plenty it was plastered all over yahoo. and not everytime a palestinian kills an Israeli is terrorism. terrorism is not about killing that is an Israel and and american lie. it about fear. a palestinian losing over the crimes you and yours commit against them on a daily basis and killing some is sad, morally bankrupt, and wrong but terrorism it is not. terrorism rerquires the use of fear to coerce. you know like Israel’s war crimes. but than again you jews in your stolen houses on stolen propertry are as pure as angels right? before you show your own biased bigfptry you and yours need to start taking someresposibility for your own actions. they have consequences. eventual you all will have to grow up.

Kay24
October 25, 2014, 12:43 pm

Yet another sham of an investigation, yet another American kid killed by one of the most brutal armed forces (armed with OUR weapons) and yet another show of indifference by the Congress, the White House, and all other puppets of Israel. At this point it really does not matter who the kid is, the US simply ignores ALL crimes by Israel, and allows it to get away scot free. Whether it is the occupation, the blatant illegal settlements, the massacre in Gaza, or kids being killed by Israeli terrorists in uniform, they are always given a free pass. It does say a lot about the world greatest superpower.

Mooser
October 25, 2014, 12:40 pm

Ah yes, those poor Jews in Jerusalem! Just about driven out, weren’t they? Barely hanging on to the place.

tommy
October 25, 2014, 12:34 pm

Mr. Alterman prefers the company of ethnonationalists who act out murderous policies.

just
October 25, 2014, 12:34 pm

Thanks so much Mooser.

;((

Mooser
October 25, 2014, 12:27 pm

“jon s” the more you argue that those who don’t have a militarized “state” of their own have no rights, and that states have a right to control the ethnic or religious content of the population, the more you validate the reasoning behind the Holocaust. But, hey, you go on and be your bad self, “jon s”

Mooser
October 25, 2014, 12:23 pm

“You stated the illegal settlements aren’t reversible—they clearly are reversible under the law…

Gee, Mr. Fincham, it occurs to me that just a fraction, a mere fraction of the money the US or private donors give Israel could re-settle the people from the illegal settlements anywhere they wanted to go, and in high style, too. And give ‘em a gilt-edged annuity, to boot.

Mooser
October 25, 2014, 12:15 pm

“You missed your best career choice I suspect.”

As the deadpan ‘straight’ man in a cross-talk comedy act based on I-P issues?

Mooser
October 25, 2014, 12:14 pm

“hophmi: Do you know President Rivlin well enough to call him “Ruby”?”

Now, now, that’s enough of that! I have heard they are just really good friends, nothing more.

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 12:13 pm

In Palestine the native inhabitants were never willing to entertain a significant Jewish presence and they had their Arab brethren in the neighboring countries to come and bat for them to ensure the conflict would never get resolved other than in their favour. They have never been prepared to accept anything less.

Your comment describes perfectly the attitude of many prominent Zionists regarding Palestinian Arabs. In fact, Arabs were more than willing to accept a number of Jews in their midst and always have, but didn’t want British-enabled immigration to artificially swell those numbers to where the native Palestinian Arab population would be in the minority — an understandable position, don’t you think, for a people who had been living more or less peacefully with the Jews for a thousand years?

Instead of working with the Palestinian Arabs, Ben-Gurion walked away from a British-brokered proposal in 1939 that would have created a binational state in Palestine in 10 years with political representation based on population, meaning an Arab majority but with Jewish representation as well, and along with it, peace. But of course, the Zionists didn’t want that, and the heck with those Arabs who dare not go along with Zionist designs. We’ve all been living with those bloody results ever since.

This is part of the Zionist revisionist history that I hear repeated over and over: Arabs are unreasonable and have never wanted peace or would accept Jews among them and that poor little Israel only wants to be left alone and would sue for peace at the drop of a hat, if only . . .

It’s all lies & distortions.

But as you say, Israeli Zionists “have never been prepared to accept anything less.”

Walid
October 25, 2014, 12:13 pm

“Nothing will be done of any significance until the US finds itself in a war with Iran, or directly, with Syria’s Assad regime”

This war is not about to happen any time soon, Russia is riding shotgun for Iran and Syria and not just at the UNSC. Last month Russia served notice on the US to keep away from Assad; from WND site:

“RUSSIA THREATENS TO RETALIATE AGAINST U.S. MILITARY
Warns airspace over Syria under protection of Moscow
Published: 09/28/2014 at 7:10 PM

TEL AVIV – Russia has delivered a behind-the-scenes threat to retaliate if airstrikes carried out by the U.S. or its allies target the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Middle Eastern security officials told WND.

The security officials said Russia complained Sunday in quiet talks with United Nations representatives that the Obama administration’s current aerial campaign against Islamic State fighters in Syria is a violation of international agreements regarding control of Syrian airspace.

The officials said Russia warned it could potentially retaliate if U.S. or Arab airstrikes go beyond targeting Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, and instead bomb any Syrian regime targets.

The officials told WND they do not have any information about the seriousness of the Russian threat or whether Moscow meant it would retaliate directly or aid Assad’s air force in a military response.

The officials said Russian diplomats asserted terms regarding Syrian airspace were agreed upon last September as part of a sweeping deal to disarm Syria’s arsenal of chemical weapons by the middle of 2014.

At the time, the international community feared Assad could target chemical weapons inspectors acting in Syria. That fear in part lead to a deal in which Moscow says it was provided with significant responsibility over the skies of Syria, purportedly to insure against Assad’s air force acting against the international disarmament effort.

The officials further said that both the Russia and Iranian militaries are on heightened alert amid the ongoing situation in Syria…”

Read more at link to wnd.com

Bornajoo
October 25, 2014, 12:10 pm

@Mooser
I think you’ve understood Dr Fincham’s article perfectly!

Mooser
October 25, 2014, 12:07 pm

“But from its first day, the State of Israel has refused to fix its borders, being ever ready for expansion by force “

If I was able to understand Mr. Fincham’s article correctly, Israel wants the best of both worlds. Borders, to delineate a State for diplomatic purposes, and no-borders, occupied territory never annexed, to facilitate expansion and exploitation..

John Douglas
October 25, 2014, 11:24 am

Thank you Allison for this and all your great reporting. I would rather have the headline refer to:

“14 year-old American living in Palestine”

John

just
October 25, 2014, 11:15 am

Apparently not for some liars.

just
October 25, 2014, 11:12 am

Of course she was!

just
October 25, 2014, 11:07 am

“We call for a speedy and transparent investigation, and will remain closely engaged with the local authorities, who have the lead on this investigation.”

SOS. We are complicit. “The local authorities” are the murderers.

Our State Dept and ambassador lets Palestinians languish in prison or get murdered without so much as a visit…

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 11:03 am

American ~

Sometimes the Eagle of Justice can be mistaken for the Evil Wolf.

RobertB
October 25, 2014, 10:53 am

US Ordered to Explain Withholding of Iraq and Afghanistan Torture Photos

Obama administration must justify suppression of never-before-seen photographs depicting US military torture of detainees

The photographs discussed in court on Tuesday are said to be even more disturbing than the infamous prison photos from Abu Ghraib.

By Spencer Ackerman in New York

October 22, 2014

” “The Guardian” - The Obama administration has until early December to detail its reasons for withholding as many as 2,100 graphic photographs depicting US military torture of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan, a federal judge ordered on Tuesday.

By 12 December, Justice Department attorneys will have to list, photograph by photograph, the government’s rationale for keeping redacted versions of the photos unseen by the public, Judge Alvin Hellerstein instructed lawyers. But any actual release of the photographs will come after Hellerstein reviews the government’s reasoning and issues another ruling in the protracted transparency case.

While Hellerstein left unclear how much of the Justice Department’s declaration will itself be public, the government’s submission is likely to be its most detailed argument for secrecy over the imagery in a case that has lasted a decade.

“The only thing that bothers me is that we’re taking a lot of time,” Hellerstein told a nearly empty courtroom.

At issue is the publication of as many as 2,100 photographs of detainee abuse, although the government continues not to confirm the precise number. Said to be even more disturbing than the infamous Abu Ghraib photographs that sparked a global furor in 2004, the imagery is the subject of a transparency lawsuit that both the Bush and Obama administrations, backed by the US Congress, have strenuously resisted. “

link to informationclearinghouse.info

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 10:50 am

The State Department called for a speedy and transparent investigation of the killing. “We continue to urge all parties to help restore calm and avoid escalating tensions in the wake of the tragic recent incidents in Jerusalem and the West Bank,” Jen Psaki, a State Department spokeswoman, said in a statement.

The “tragic incident,” like the kid was hit by a meteor. I’m surprised she didn’t add that his death was “unhelpful,” simply out of reflex. Who actually writes this crap?

New York Times

just
October 25, 2014, 10:49 am

So much criminality, theft, murder, endless provocation by ‘Israelis’ and Israel — never, ever punished.

Earlier this week:

“Under cover of night, nine Jewish families take over two buildings in Silwan”

link to mondoweiss.net

So they murder a teen who was protesting some or all of it.

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 10:42 am

Can you not recognize the truth and reality of what is happening here?

That’s asking a lot, Bornajoo.

irishmoses
October 25, 2014, 10:41 am

The LA Times describes him as a Palestinian, does mention he was born in New Orleans, but says nothing about him being an American. It also says he was allegedly throwing fire bombs at a nearby highway.

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 10:37 am

jon s ~

Annie answered you quite well.

My comment: I don’t believe the occupier gets to play the “what about this” game.

irishmoses
October 25, 2014, 10:32 am

NYT and WP both headline it as the killing of a Palestinian teenager even though their AP source describes him as a Palestinian American. Both buy into the “fire bomb” verses stone-throwing version.

Bornajoo
October 25, 2014, 10:29 am

well there was no way that they can justify killing an American citizen just for throwing stones, can they? That fate is reserved for “normal” Palestinians

This spin was completely obvious and predictable. I was waiting to hear why it was absolutely necessary to shoot a 14 year old through the head once they found out he was actually American.

shame on the Guardian and I agree that the NYT will follow

Horizontal
October 25, 2014, 10:29 am

The double standard is beyond evident.

If any other country snatched half our congress every summer for an all expenses paid indoctrination trip to their country and that same country then received billions of dollars and wall to wall political cover for their many crimes, I believe an alarm bell would sound from somewhere besides the progressive fringes.

If any other country was repeatedly caught spying on us, and yet was uniformly praised as being our closest ally, I believe there would be widespread questioning of our nation’s sanity, particularly from the right.

To the case at hand, the difference in media coverage regarding the race of the victim of violence is different for whites and blacks right in this country, so why should these prejudices change when dealing with Israel?

When the proportion of African American missing children cases covered in the news (19.5%) was compared to the actual proportion of reported incidents in the FBI data-set (33.2%), African American missing children cases were significantly underrepresented in television news.

academia.edu

adele
October 25, 2014, 10:29 am

Hi Irishmoses,
on the amazon website the book description states that the book is in a bi-lingual format (Arabic and English). The shipping is $3.99.

This is the page I’m getting the info from – link to amazon.com

irishmoses
October 25, 2014, 10:20 am

The latest IOF spin is that the young lad was throwing “fire bombs at traffic” not a mere stone. Hence he was shot dead while on the verge of committing a terrorist act. I’m sure the world’s paper of record, the NYT will adopt that version. The Guardian already has.

ckg
October 25, 2014, 10:08 am

And Jen was likely thinking, “It’s a good thing Matt didn’t find out about this until the afternoon briefing was done.”