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  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (48)
  • John Kerry and the Pope set to face off with Jewish Knight Templars on the Temple Mount (14)
    • "Framing Israel’s problems, dysfunction and crimes with earlier Christian historical events only serves to further muddy the history and permit Israel to say, as it does regarding its “original sin” of taking the land of another, that “the USA did it to Native Americans so it’s ok for us.”

      Israel must be assessed sui generis, on its own terms."

      I think this is completely wrong. Israel's crimes are similar to those of others, including those of 19th Century America, and it is useful to point this out. The fact that Israelis are so morally obtuse as to claim justification because others have done similar things just shows their moral bankruptcy. If they bring up the Native Americans, the proper response is to acknowledge America's guilt and that one doesn't make up for past crimes by pointing to crimes committed by others.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (48)
  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
    • Brooke Goldstein, from the Lawfare Project was on Fox News channel's Kelly File last night, arguing that a short movie available very recently, explaining the terrorist motive of the hijackers as Islamic jihad, as part of the final touches of the 9/11 Memorial--is not misleading.

      Her opponent, a female Episcopal minister, argued the movie was misleading and should be given context, i.e., that for most Muslims the term "jihad" means daily struggle to be a good person, and to maintain daily prayer rituals, etc.

      Goldstein countered that implies most Americans are stupid, which is not the case; and so it's asinine to say they might be led by the movie to think every Muslim they see is a closet terrorist.

      The movie on hijacker motive apparently does not mention the 9/11 commission's generic conclusion the hijackers were motivated as blowback from US foreign policy.
      In fact the original findings and statement's from the hijackers mentioned the US blank support of Israel's treatment of Palestinians was a key motive.

  • John Kerry and the Pope set to face off with Jewish Knight Templars on the Temple Mount (14)
    • I couldn't disagree more, Ellen.

      The analogy with Crusaders & Knights Templar distorts the reality.

      Framing Israel's problems, dysfunction and crimes with earlier Christian historical events only serves to further muddy the history and permit Israel to say, as it does regarding its "original sin" of taking the land of another, that "the USA did it to Native Americans so it's ok for us."

      Israel must be assessed sui generis, on its own terms.
      And by the way, those terms ought to be gleaned from the documents and evidence of history, not hasbara central or ADL or AIPAC.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (48)
    • "I cannot imagine what would make Jews in Israel feel that way. I mean, the Palestinians have been so peaceful, and the region has been so friendly to minorities, always treating Jews perfectly in every way." hopnee

      Funny aint it how those ungrateful Palestinians stab you in the back after all you have done for them.

      I mean , knocking down their villages and building brand new towns and roads and forests and industrial zones and not requiring them to don a uniform and relieving them of the odious task of living next to or among Jews.Providing them with free demolition services and teaching manners to their children and meting out punishment when necessary.

      Wow, such f----g ingrates.How do you tolerate such ingratitude.Must be the sweet peace loving Zionist in you that keeps you going.

  • John Kerry and the Pope set to face off with Jewish Knight Templars on the Temple Mount (14)
    • To answer Marc Ellis' question, yes it's definitely getting worse in Palestine. All of the things that he mentions in his article are signs of some impending catastrophe and yet daily life in Palestine (for the most part) has been ominously quiet despite the political maneuvers, skirmishes and scattered flashes of violence here and there. But its that sort of quietness that makes one uneasy because there is prevailing gut feeling that something is coming. You can see and feel it everywhere.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • Mikhael "There are many Arab localities in northern Israel that were once home to vibrant Jewish communities and where Jews are today made to feel unwelcome."

      There are many more localities illegally claimed by Israel, North, East, Sth West, where there were Arab communities and where under the Laws of War, the citizens of the Occupying Power link to mfa.gov.il are prohibited from illegally settling. As Israel has never legally annexed ANY territory to its proclaimed borders, they're un-welcome as a matter of course.. link to wp.me

      Go whine to the Zionist Movement for demanding a separate Jewish State. They're responsible for taking away the right for Israelis to settle anywhere in the Jewish People's historic homeland

      Mikhael // I guess if the Zionists had wanted to feel welcome by the Arabs of the Galillee they wouldn’t have acted the way they did for the last 100 years or so//

      "Thanks for clarifying that when you say “Zionists,” you mean “Jews.”"

      Problem with your strawman Pajero, what was written is still there...

      "Ilan Tuma-Shechter, a scion of one of the ancient Jewish families of Peqiin that have a documented unbroken presence in the village for not a mere five centuries (as my family can claim in the Land of Israel) but 2,000 years. "

      Uh huh. A) your family? Sure Mikhael B) Source... the illegal settlers' propaganda news service? Hilarious stuff.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
    • @ Marlene P. Newesri

      Would the NYT publish a letter/comment claiming “Israeli Jews have avowed as their goal the killing of all Palestinians.”

      How about, "Israeli Jews have avowed as their goal the transfer/exodus of all Palestinians."

      Whenever I see a reader's letter/comment published practically anywhere that speaks negatively of their subject "The Jews" or "Jews; it's always followed by a barrage of reader responses castigating the original comment as a pure example of hard core anti-semitism. This relative to the NYT editor's response she should have published Schimmerling’s letter "with modification: such as putting in the word “’many’ or ‘some,’ before ‘Palestinian Arabs’ in the editing process.”

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • @ Mayhem “Today’s pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist.”

      This is a very, very shortsighted position. Of cause not if terrorism against the Jewish state has to has to stay forever. Yes, I know, this is cynical. In that case you indeed better recruit them really early, train prospects in special units. Study how long they can bear humiliation from early on. Ideally monitor every "false" gesture by kids and send out troopers to arrest prospects.

      Less cynical: There may be a circle movement where the desire for heightened security and control wind up on the other side and helps to produce exactly what is expected or feared.

      From what I remember throwing pebbles was kids past time over here to. I most vividly remember the masters of stone skipping. I would assume Israeli boys are allowed to do that to? No?

      What is your evidence that he was already training to later attack your Jewish IDF or settler brothers heads with stones? Israel is the most moral army in the world?

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • >> There are many Arab localities in northern Israel that were once home to vibrant Jewish communities and where Jews are today made to feel unwelcome.

      This is an injustice. The solution is justice, not the existence of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • Mayhem says:
      "Why do the parents allow/encourage these kind of belligerent activities by their children?"

      Israeli Settlers Stone AFP Photographer's Car
      link to imemc.org

      Settlers attack Palestinian vehicles with stones near Bethlehem
      link to maannews.net

      Settler rampage forces Palestinian school lockdown
      link to salon.com

      PA official: Settlers attack vehicles in Nablus
      link to maannews.net

      Hundreds of Jews hurl rocks at cars in Jerusalem
      link to haaretz.com

      Woman hurt in settler attack near Nablus
      link to maannews.net

      Jewish rock-throwers are more equal
      link to haaretz.com

      West Bank: Jewish teens hurl stones at cars
      link to ynetnews.com

      Settlers Stone Elderly Palestinian Lady
      link to english.wafa.ps

    • Today’s pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist. Why do the parents allow/encourage these kind of belligerent activities by their children?
      . . .
      And of course it makes great propaganda for the ISM who just love to demonize Israel at every conceivable opportunity.

      Why do Zio-supremacist parents allow/encourage their children to engage in aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder? Why have they been allowing/encouraging their children to engage in these kinds of belligerent activities for over 60 years?

      And of course the reaction of Palestinians to the belligerent activities of Zio-supremacists and their children makes great propaganda for Zio-supremacists everywhere who just love to demonize the "Pallys" and the "Aye-rabs" at every conceivable opportunity.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • Here's a five year old Palestinian boy being arrested, allegedly for throwing stones:

      What would happen in the USA if a boy such as this threw some stones at a cop car?

      Remember anything at all of how you were when you were age five or six? Take a look at you and your class mates when you were in, say, first grade.

      When I was in the US Army I wasn't allowed to vote because I wasn't old enough. At the time you had to be age 21, and the military draft was operating.

      I remember a scene in one of those old Hollywood movies about poor "dead end" kids; Two boys and a girl, about age eight, made a game of jumping out of the bushes and hurling pebbles at the hub caps of cars passing by on the road. When a thrown pebble made a ping sound upon hitting a metal hub cap, they would laugh with glee. Near the end of the scene, one car brakes--the kids skedaddle back though the bushes.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • @ Mikhael (my what a pure Hebrew name)

      Thanks for clarifying that when you say “Zionists,” you mean “Jews.”

      So there are no non or anti-Zionist Jews then? Nice try, typical hasbara fail though.

      One of the Jews interviewed was Ilan Tuma-Shechter, a scion of one of the ancient Jewish families of Peqiin that have a documented unbroken presence in the village for not a mere five centuries (as my family can claim in the Land of Israel) but 2,000 years.

      How EXACTLY is it "documented?" And in what languages? Latin? Demotic? Aramaic? Arabic? Middle English? English? Old French? French? And on papyrus, wax tablet, wooden leaf, velum, parchment, paper or stone? I'm curious so do tell.

      ...his lineage does not grant him any special dispensation to anti-coexistence radicals like the hotheads who chased him out and who you agree with.

      Would he have been "chased out" had anti-coexistance Jewish radicals not been intent on driving out or murdering the friends and relatives of (as you put it) the anti-Zionist freedom fighters? Given that his family had possibly been living there for 2000 years without being chased out, well something must have changed. Jewish Zionist anti-coexistance radicals moving in perhaps (from, well amongst other places Russia, Ukraine and other Slavic nations) with the intent to drive non-Jews out of the area perhaps?

      ...since Israeli Jews (and our “Palestinian Jewish” predecessors from 1917-1948) have suffered murderous mob violence and expulsion from places where our ancestors lived..

      So I ask again, what changed? 2000 years you say without being driven out and then suddenly there's a change of mind? Nothing to do with massive European Jewish Zionist anti-coexistance radicals immigrating en-masse and driving out local people, refusing to employ them, perpetrating violence against them? Bit of a one-sided take you've got here, one might almost think YOU were a Jewish Zionist anti-coexistance radical....

      ...years of terrorism by the relatives of our fellow Israeli citizens of Arab nationality, it would be perfectly understandable for Israeli Jews not to welcome their fellow Israelis who happen to be Arabs into our neighborhoods, as one has to expect that such behavior will “cause a bit of resentment,”

      Years of terrorism by Jewish Zionists might make it perfectly understandable that Palestinians have a "bit of resentment" towards Jews and didn't want them living anywhere near them. After all, when your kids just been shot by some rabid Jewish Zionazi in a uniform, for which he got a promotion, you might not want that thugs family moving in next door. Especially when they tend to do so with a bulldozer.

      ...most of us Israeli Jews are enlightened folk, and have no problem living next to our Arab neighbors...

      Really? Enlightened? Recent polling, your posts, the posts of your fellows, the repeated cries of "demographic threat" and the "Jews Only" construction of new settlements strongly suggests otherwise.

      Sometimes some Israeli Jews are unwelcoming to their fellow Israelis (if they happen to be Arab) in places like Karmiel , naturally I condemn such attitudes...

      Except your whole post screams quite the opposite.

    • According to archaeologists, there was no conquest of Cana'an, Israel was formed from local population after a long drought eliminated the settlements in Cana'an with the exception of coastal area -- reduced population survived as pastoralists. After 1200 BC the climate allowed for crop agriculture again, the new villages appeared and some ruins of older settlements were inhabited again. This formed new tribes that created myths that included common ancestors with appropriately illustrious paths that included both cradles of civilization, Ur and Egypt. But the switch to monotheism had to be gradual.

      This is but one case of a population changing religion. The pattern seems to be that the religion was in flux with major changes from time to time, and one peripatetic group made little changes to the version they had 2000 years ago, while the people who stayed in the homeland were mostly adapting to the political requirements. In particular, most of "Israelites" after Bar-Kokhba were Samaritans, which is a different Israelite religion, actually native to northern Israel, then most of them converted to Christianity, then most converted to Islam, while some members of the peripatetic Jews were periodically returning and making small communities.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (48)
    • "The suicide bombings were not ever a credible excuse not to listen."

      puppies , I agree but unfortunately , the suicide bombings served the zionist,s cause so they employed that excuse to the fullest and the average European was easily brought on board by the images.Those images have faded into the background and new ones are emerging such as settler thugs destroying Palestinian trees or Israeli planes dropping WP on Gazan Children.The tide is turning and will continue to unless Israel succeeds in creating a violent response from Palestinians.They sure do their evil best to reach that goal.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • "It must be a truly terrifying, depressing, soul-wrenching experience and I’m glad that on this occasion, the soldiers’ humanity seemed eventually to triumph over racist indoctrination, and they released the child."marty- mcfly

      Yeah, facing down a 6 year old heavily armed Terro-eeest must be truly horrific and soul destroying.

      Oh my , those poor idf thugs.My heart bleeds for them.

      When do you move from the usual softly softly initial approach to full blown hasbara attack.

    • “The enlistment of children to carry out these violent acts is in effect no different than enlisting child soldiers, which is a war crime in terms of Article 8(2)(b)(xxvi) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC)”.mayhem

      Who enlisted them???.

      And you a racist zio apologist for the war crimes capital (TA) of the world dares to quote Rome Statute.

      "And of course it makes great propaganda for the ISM who just love to demonize Israel at every conceivable opportunity."mayhem

      And of course the demon (Israel) keeps on giving every conceivable opportunity.Put the shovel down , the trench is about to fall in on you.Second thoughts---keep digging .

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
    • In much the same way Americans who are huge supporters of Israel aren’t a fifth column because the United States is not opposed to Israel.

      It is when they influence America's leaders to adopt policies damaging to America's interests, which is what the lobby does. Of course, this same interest group works overtime to hide this truth from the American public.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • Zofia says:
      April 23, 2014 at 9:40 pm Why limit yourself only to that period?:)...They weren’t “the original” inhabitants…

      I wrote that it was Jewish from the Mishnaic period and continued to have a strong Jewish presence, until the Crusader period, whence it became Christian-dominated, I did not claim that it had been originally exclusively Jewish.

      Please don’t say that just because it is mentioned in the Bible or other scripture you suggest that it must have been “originaly” or “only” inhabited by Jews

      Where did you see me make a religious claim that it was always exclusively Jewish? I'm a secular agnostic Jew.

      What is your point in writing all this? Do you want to justify what happned to them or why did it happened? In this context of the article and the limitation to only Jewish narration makes it the only explanation.

      Why would I not want to mention the rich Jewish history and the continuous presence of Jews in the immediate region as a counterpoint to the narrative that it's an intrinsically Palestinian Arab site? There were legitimate security reasons at the time to justify the temporary evacuation of Iqrit and Kfar Baram/Birim. I don't agree with the subsequent demolition of the property by the army, but the villagers received compensation and settled in other parts of the state.

    • Like I said, a few kids hanging out shouldn't be a problem, but it's state land and they can be evicted at will. That's why they've been allowed to stay for the past couple of years. If their families originally hailed from Iqrit, that means they were compensated decades ago. They don't need to get compensated twice.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
    • @ JeffB(lindingly Ignorant)

      Between 1968 and 2010 there were 3,568 deaths in Ireland due to religious struggles.

      Please stop trying to make a point using the Troubles/Ireland as it's SO clear that along with almost everything else you have ZERO understanding.

      The Troubles were NOT a "religious struggle" they were an inter-communal struggle about equal rights, political loyalty and national determination. Religion had as much to do with things as the colours Green and Orange did.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • @ Mayhem

      "Today’s pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist."

      And you get offended when people compare you and your kind to Nazis? It's just the truth and you obviously just can't handle the truth.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • Leaving aside for the moment the incredibly simplistic view you're putting forward (demolished wonderfully by Zofia) how would you feel about this :-

      "Dublin was originally a Norse-populated town"
      So let's kick out all the Jews.

      "London was originally a Cantii/Roman-populated town"
      So let's kick out all the Jews.

      "Paris was originally a Parisii-populated town"
      So let's kick out all the Jews.

      Are you OK with those suggestions? No? Now why didn't I think so.....

      Further,

      "There are many Jewish localities in Israel that were once home to vibrant Palestinian communities and where Palestinians are today made to feel a tad more than just unwelcome - they'd be in danger of their lives"

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • You have any evidence the kid was encouraged? Do you have any evidence he actually threw anything at all at the occupying forces? Remember if you’re allowed, accusations are not evidence.

      Seriously, has Mayhem seen a 6 year old throw anything? At that age, only 1 in 10 kids have the motor skills to throw properly.

    • Today’s pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist.

      Does that to for Jewish children or only Arabs Mathem?

      Why do the parents allow/encourage these kind of belligerent activities by their children?

      You are seriously out if your mind. Have you ever thrown stones Mayhem? I have a 4 year old son and one of his favorite things to do is go down to the harbor foreshore and throw stones into the water.

      Are you suggesting Ismencouraging belligerent activities and training him to be a terrorist?

    • In addition to the 230 children whom are currently detained in Israel, there have been 1,500 children killed by Israel since 2000. Imagine if you lived in the United States or the UK and 1,500 American or English children were violently killed in 14 years. What kind of outrage would result? Most of these victims are documented thoroughly on this website: http://www.rememberthesechildren.org

      It should also be noted what it means to be "detained" by the Israelis. Children, much like the child in this video, are often dragged out of their homes kicking and screaming, many times in the middle of the night for maximum psychological trauma, and are presented before a military court. Civilian children in a military court. This is a completely different system than the one used against Israeli Jewish children. The evidence presented to the judges by the Israeli authorities are mostly deemed to high of a security risk and thus are never presented to child defendants or their lawyers, and detentions (imprisonment) can be indefinitely renewed in 6 month increments at the whim of the Israeli authorities before and during trials which usually last about 15 minutes max.

      Not to mention the fact that 55% of the Palestinian population are children and that a majority of them have been arrested, detained and "interrogated" (tortured) at least once. Post traumatic stress disorder, social anxiety disorder or social avoidance behavior and a wide range of other psychological disorders are widespread among Palestinian children.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • Really, Mikhell, you have ancestors who inhabited Hebron in 1929?

      As far as who is not welcoming whom, please remember that Palestinians (including the Palestinian Jews) are the original & only native people of the "Land of Israel". I'm sorry if anyone gets chased out by mob violence, but the vast majority of Israeli Jews are recent immigrants. You Zionists went into someone else's house, chased them out, took their possessions. If you want to be welcome in someone else's home or town, perhaps you should start by giving it back to them and letting them live in it.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • I wondered the same thing about Congresspeople, and why they "seem" ignorant about the horrible violence against little children, and other brutal crimes, as they consistently shower the love, devotion, and endless aid, to those who do such despicable things to innocent people. This is inhumane behavior, and no religion would condone this.

    • Make that vicious, brutal pigs.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • @Mikhell, if the Israeli government removes unauthorized Jewish "hilltop youth", why doesn't the Israeli government remove 600,000 illegal settlers, as it should?

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • @ Mayhem "Today’s pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist. "

      Got any statistics to back your biased speculation

      BTW our link to thetower.org is cute.. It says "Palestinians Committing War Crime By Pushing Stone-Hurling Children At Israelis" then shows a video where no one is pushing any children to throw rocks. When we follow the link they provide link to jpost.com we read " The IDF on Saturday posted a 45 second video that showed Palestinian children and young teens throwing stones at the Israeli military in Hebron "

      No enlistment, no pushing and Israeli military in occupied territory, a valid military target even if the kids had bazookas instead of what's left of their non-Jewish homes = another fail on your part and no points for your stupid Israeli propaganda

  • John Kerry and the Pope set to face off with Jewish Knight Templars on the Temple Mount (14)
  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • "Thanks for clarifying that when you say 'Zionists,' you mean 'Jews. '"

      Oh don't kid yourself into thinking you're capable of restating my position, especially in so blatant a manner as you do in an attempt to support your diabolical positions. And no, when I used "Zionists," I meant "Zionists.". Because it was the Zionists' acts which caused the reaction which you complain of. Unfortunately, some Jews who were good people, non-Zionists who were working against the crimes commited against the Palestinians, may have suffered misdirected anger. That is unfortunate but, as I said, its cause was the acts of the Zionists.

      Oh, and I'll believe the horseshit about you welcoming Arabs as neighbors the day you give back to the people you ethnically cleansed in '47-'48 and their descendants their houses back, compensation for their other losses and the full Right of Return. Until that time you're talking out your ass.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • "honesty triggers a response along another line; when I was that age [teen/early twenties], I was way more sensitive to outside influences than I am today."

      As was I, but I still would not have done aomething I believed to be immoral. If you are correct then we should stop prosecuting all Nazis including those that actually pulled the triggers.

    • How about Israel's gets the fuck out of Hebron? There's a simple solution to children throwing things at Israeli soldiers.

      The Jewish state IS demonic. IS. NOW. DEMONIC. It doesn't take special spin to portray it that way.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
    • "“Not a single one at all” means you know the mental state of every single Palestinian in the world. "

      No, it simply means that you have the basic human decency to not accuse someone of genocidal intent without being able to prove it.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
    • "We’re not about to see an end to the Jewish presence in the American elite, or for that matter an end to American elites."

      I for one feel that the notion of American elites is not a good one, nor true to American values. The Southern slaveholders were elites and they got theirs. Grant beat the shit out of them, and he was working before the war as an assistant in his family's dry goods store. "All men are created equal" is the founding principle. "To secure the rights of the people, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just power from the consent of the governed." Devotion to elitism is un-American.

      Or as Jefferson said: "There is an natural aristoi among men, signified by virtue and talent." I don't think he meant that it was important that people go around labeling who is elite and deferring to them as better than others, but that the most talented and virtuous would naturally rise. Don't label them as WASPs or Jews. Label them as the most talented and virtuous. That's the American way.

      I remember in DC 35 years ago there was a popular restaurateur written up in the Post who divided people into four classes: lions, tigers, monkeys and dogs. The first group were the major Kennedys, and a few others, the tigers were movers and shakers in a class below - the most influential lawyers, etc., he considered himself a monkey, someone there to amuse the lions and tigers, and everyone else was a dog.

      Washington & New York are all about elitism, the recognition of which becomes an excuse for abuse of power. Jefferson said America was a nation of shopkeepers, and that the average man on the street could quote Latin. That is the ideal - people who consider themselves ordinary, but who are educated, engaged, and the backbone of America. As Admiral Halsey said, "there are no heroes out here. Just ordinary men facing extraordinary challenges." Fuck elitism.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • @mcfly - You wade in with your webbed duck feet in a full-scale, all-out war by a major colonial power, started in November 1947, against a totally defenseless civilian population and try to tell us about hurt soldier feelings?
      Do you understand the word "war"? As in total destruction?
      If you do, you'll know that fraternizing with the enemy is a crime in the eyes of the victim populations. I don't care about the feelings of that bastard with the Azrael uniform, he should be taken out according to the right and duty given in international law to invaded populations to defend themselves by any means. Not "shamed": if he had any shame he would have deserted.

    • Why did the illegal settlers allow/encourage their youth to throw rocks at little Palestinian kids going to school, burn Mosques, slash tires, spray paint racist graffiti, and fire bomb cars? What makes YOU the judge of little kids, and call them potential terrorists? How about the terrorist activities of the illegal settlers?

      No one needs to "demonize" Israel. By it's occupation, crimes against kids and unarmed civilians, land grabs, and the violence shown by the brutal IDF, Israel is doing a "superb" job of showing the world it deserves the harshest criticism. No wonder it is one of the most dislike nations in the world.

    • Sympathy misplaced. These are Israel's thugs who terrorize little kids, and who viciously shoot unarmed civilians who dare stand near their fences. One of the latest victims being a mentally ill woman, and a poor man picking gravel for his living.
      Then let us not forget the poor Jordanian judge, killed at a checkpoint.
      There is no excuse for this disgusting behavior against little kids. I have seen videos of kids being used as human shields by the IDF (while Hamas is accused of it), and many other kids being arrested in this cruel fashion. This has resulted in a high percentage of kids suffering from trauma, depression, and stress. Shame, considering little Israeli children live better lives, and do not have to go through such suffering, like their neighbors.
      Science Daily:
      Ninety-eight Percent Of Gaza's Children Experience Or Witness War Trauma

      "Most children in the Gaza Strip have been tear gassed, have had their homes searched and damaged, and have witnessed shooting, fighting and explosions. Many have been injured or tortured as a result of chronic war that spans generations, says a recent Queen’s University study.
      According to the study, there is a pattern of violence against Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip that has serious and debilitating psychiatric and psychological effects.
      “Gaza has been an occupied territory for a long time, and still is; Israel controls its borders, its air and water access. It has been described as a vast open-air detention centre” says Queen’s community health and epidemiology researcher John Pringle. “Bombs are being launched into Gaza during this latest eruption of Middle East violence, but are being ignored in light of other crises.”
      The Psychological Effects of War on Palestinian Children is Pringle’s Master’s thesis and the only study of its kind, analyzing data from The Gaza Child Health Survey to describe relationships between war trauma and psychological problems in children.
      According to the study, a child in Gaza who has had a severe head injury has 4 times the risk of emotional disorder. A child who has been severely beaten has 3.9 times the risk of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. A child who has witnessed friends injured or killed has 13 times the risk of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. A child in a refugee camp has 5 times a greater chance of witnessing traumatic events and 4 times a greater chance of direct physical trauma.
      “Children comprise 47 per cent of Gaza’s population and are extremely vulnerable,” Pringle adds. “It seems the international community is neglecting them, that somehow Palestinian children don’t deserve the protections guaranteed under the Geneva Convention and humanitarian law. We must remember that where we drop our bombs, plant our landmines, and aim our guns, is where children are born, play, and go to school.”
      Mr. Pringle is also a member of Doctors Without Borders (MSF). MSF is an emergency medical humanitarian aid organization that primarily works in war-zones with populations in danger, usually in refugee camps. It was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1999.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
    • @Friedman - Before you look at a Hadith that you cannot possibly digest in years, how about reading, say, about the genocide of Canaanites and Jebusites and different other ites and not leaving a single we aren't saying human being, but even head of cattle alive? That is in a language that you pretend to understand. Or the ongoing genocide of Palestinians (and yes, it does fit the official definition of genocide, no matter your sensitivities.) That all exists and some of it happens everyday. Your Islamic scholarship will have to wait to be acknowledged... way off as yet.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • Drawing parallels between the partisans who fought the Nazis and the Palestinians' situation is truly perverse. @Hostage, I thought you wouldn't stoop so low as many here witlessly do.

  • John Kerry and the Pope set to face off with Jewish Knight Templars on the Temple Mount (14)
    • @puppies... well, I am no historian, but yes, Romanisation (the s instead of the American English Z).

      The windy island filled with warring Celtic tribes was invaded by the Romans and gradually became a unified Britannia, under Roman control. With Roman streets, towns, civic institutions and many thousands of Roman soldiers (actually inscriptions from all over) who settled the island.

      Rome kept control by bribing the tribal elites -- giving them wealth, status and protection. This worked for a long time. And the model is still working for USrael as well.

      Aside from the brutal Boudiccan revolution, which almost broke Rome's hold, the occupation and gradual conquest was complete -- up to Hadrian's wall, that is. (Even the Romans built their walls to keep the pests out.)

      But then it all fell apart when Britannia appealed to Rome for protection from the invading Saxons, Emperor Honorius told the citizens of Britanna to look after their own defenses, deal with it themselves. And with that the bell of death rang for the Roman Empire.

      So the citizens of Britannia , like Israelis of today who feel to be citizens of the west (USA) -- even with passports that look just like US passports on first glance -- felt to be Romans.

      And today Israelis depend upon the US (like Britannia of yore dependence on Rome) for it's identity and defenses. After all, it was a Roman island of civility in a sea of tribal barbarity, complete with a surrounding wall. Not too different from today's Israel.

      And Rome held onto far away Britannia with a fierce and irrational tenacity. (Sound familiar?) Until sentiments and priorities changed and Rome told Britannia to take care of themselves. Rome was dying. And Britannia gradually became independent and prosperous Britain.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • Today’s pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist. Why do the parents allow/encourage these kind of belligerent activities by their children?

      If we're going to speculate, maybe he will grow-up and track down Jewish war criminals and write FAQs like this one:

      30. Did the Jews try to fight against the Nazis? To what extent were such efforts successful?
      Answer: Despite the difficult conditions to which Jews were subjected in Nazi-occupied Europe, many engaged in armed resistance against the Nazis. This resistance can be divided into three basic types of armed activities: ghetto revolts, resistance in concentration and death camps, and partisan warfare.

      The Warsaw Ghetto revolt, which lasted for about five weeks beginning on April 19, 1943, is probably the best-known example of armed Jewish resistance, but there were many ghetto revolts in which Jews fought against the Nazis.

      Despite the terrible conditions in the death, concentration, and labor camps, Jewish inmates fought against the Nazis at the following sites: Treblinka (August 2, 1943); Babi Yar (September 29, 1943); Sobibór (October 14, 1943); Janówska (November 19, 1943); and Auschwitz (October 7, 1944).

      Jewish partisan units were active in many areas, including Baranovichi, Minsk, Naliboki forest, and Vilna. While the sum total of armed resistance efforts by Jews was not militarily overwhelming and did not play a significant role in the defeat of Nazi Germany, these acts of resistance did lead to the rescue of an undetermined number of Jews, Nazi casualties, and untold damage to German property and self-esteem.
      link to motlc.wiesenthal.com

    • IDF soldiers deserve bullets, not sympathy. Sorry if that shows lack of nuance. I am not particularly representative of those on the pro-Palestinian side.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
    • Oh, I would say "fifth column" definitely describes the zionist in the US.

      'fifth column'
      Article Free Pass
      Written by The Editors of Encyclopædia Britannica

      ''fifth column, clandestine group or faction of subversive agents who attempt to undermine a nation’s solidarity by any means at their disposal. The term is credited to Emilio Mola Vidal, a Nationalist general during the Spanish Civil War (1936–39). As four of his army columns moved on Madrid, the general referred to his militant supporters within the capital as his “fifth column,” intent on undermining the loyalist government from within.

      A cardinal technique of the fifth column is the infiltration of sympathizers into the entire fabric of the nation and, particularly, into positions of policy decision and national defense.''

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • @ Mayhem "Today’s pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist."

      "will" . You can predict the future.... What AMAZING powers!!! Jews went beyond 'potential' terrorism BTW link to nationalarchives.gov.uk

      Meanwhile, the occupied have a right to attack occupying forces with whatever they have at their disposal, even life threatening pebbles. Armed Israeli settlers and Israeli military are legitimate targets, it isn't terrorism, even if it is with pebbles link to theguardian.com

      "Why do the parents allow/encourage these kind of belligerent activities by their children?"

      You have any evidence the kid was encouraged? Do you have any evidence he actually threw anything at all at the occupying forces? Remember if you're allowed, accusations are not evidence.

      Meanwhile link to washingtonpost.com

      The occupation is belligerent, they have a right to resist occupation, even with scary pebbles

      "The enlistment of children to carry out these violent acts is in effect no different than enlisting child soldiers, which is a war crime in terms of Article 8(2)(b)(xxvi) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC)”.

      A) How was this kid enlisted? By your amazing powers maybe? B) Apply that equally to the stone throwing children of illegal Israeli settlers if you dare

      "And of course it makes great propaganda for the ISM who just love to demonize Israel at every conceivable opportunity."

      How is it propaganda? Fake Israeli soldiers? Israel successfully demonizes itself every day it continues to illegally acquire, stay in and illegally settle non-Israeli territory while LYING to itself, its citizens and the rest of the world, supported by morons for Israel who it seems can predict the future

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
    • The letter to the NYTimes was really off kilter and irrelevant to the issues that separate Israel and the Palestinians from the possibility of an agreement. The emphasis of Mondoweiss on this issue seems a bit off kilter (1/29th as off kilter as the published letter, but still off kilter). The testimony of Ted Auerbach is irrelevant. I'm sure (23/29ths sure) that he was not staying with Hamas Palestinians. That is the demographic of the Palestinian people that might harbor attitudes formed by the Hadith that I referred to yesterday. (BTW- I would negotiate with Hamas, despite the awful rhetoric that has existed in the past and that I assume (21/29ths) still exists in the present.) The overwhelming politics of Hamas these days is desperation due to the overthrow of Morsi by the military junta in Egypt and they have more important things to worry about rather than the expression of murderous rhetoric. But the Hadith exists and it is murderous in nature.

      And this whole line of questioning, although not up to the off kilterness of the original NYTimes letter, is still off kilter.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • Mikhail - "Iqrit was originally a Jewish-populated town, from the Mishnaic period and was a home to Jews until the Crusaders destroyed it."
      That isn't worth a rat's ass today, except as a big testimonial to the tolerance of the local and Arabian Arabs and... of the Byzantines, whose monolithic understanding of Empire religion was way less murderous than the Zionist one... that razed this Palestinian town like the Crusaders did.

      "There are many Arab localities in northern Israel that were once home to vibrant Jewish communities and where Jews are today made to feel unwelcome."
      Just so, the predicted outcome of Zionism.
      What did you expect, to be welcomed after having revealed yourself as an accessory of genocidal Zionists?
      Against which many Jewish Palestinians warned urgently (including, already back in the day, Moisè Luzzatto). You'll be made way more unwelcome yet as things proceed.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • I seem to recall throwing a stone or two when I was a child. No doubt that is why I am now an internationally wanted terrorist, currently being hunted down by Interpol and the security forces of forty-two countries.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (48)
    • Hostage, thank you so much for this. Your comment is exactly why the Internet is poison for Zionism. In the past Hopfmi's letter would have appeared in a newspaper, or what he said would have been a soundbite on the news, and the takeaway by most would be, "Those lying Palestinians, Israeli ID cards don't identify people by their ethnicity!" Now we can find out within minutes or hours that Hopfmi left out a crucial piece of information. Once again.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
    • This whole thing is ridiculous. A known Zionist nutcase, Walter Schimmerling, meaning really all-out paranoiac at a minimum, fantasizes in a letter to the editor in the NYT that some Ayrabs are out to kill Schimmerling and his entire tribe (purpose unspecified). Then, someone playing the editor at the NYT finds it appropriate to publish that, be it because he is as ready for the nuthouse as Schimmerling himself, be it because he rightly thinks that this very nicely exposes the Zionist mind.
      So far, so good. Deserves a smile and a shrug.
      Where it beats the late Aristophanes, though, is when MW makes a big story out of this, discussing if there could be a kernel of truth in the delirium by Schimmerling, having debates for pros and cons, collecting testimonials (personal impressions of Jewish travelers who certify that Palestinians are humans...) Say it ain't so...

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
    • The reason most Jews support Israel is because they recognize that 'anti-Zionism' is a thin veil for anti-Jewish. The handful of Jews who don't see that are of the type that would quote an al-jazeera story about the concentration of Jewish political power in the U.S. as legitimate journalism.

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • "As long as they don’t interfere with IDF patrols along the nearby border or cause environmental damage to Nahal Betzet reserve, it shouldn’t be a problem."

      Mikhael, how could 19 youths interfere with IDF patrols or damage the environment by planting trees?

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
    • Off topic breaking news: Despite the fact that Hamas and Islamic Jihad are joining the PLO (you know, the organization that has formally recognized the state of Israel for more than 20 years) Israel and the US have the chutzpah to put a negative spin on the Palestinian reconciliation agreement. Most of these are never destined to be implemented anyway.

      FYI, the Netanyahu regime itself has concluded two agreements with Hamas since 2007, but won't allow the PLO/Fatah to conclude one. It isn't as if Israel hasn't already proven that it wants settlements, instead of peace.
      link to haaretz.com
      link to ynetnews.com

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (48)
    • Actually, the linguistic rights of Russian speakers are one of the main points of contention, and there are not many Ukrainian speakers in Donetsk. So it would be rather weird to have pro-Russian "separatists" to use Ukrainian.

      By the way, Ukrainian alphabet is a bit different, and the notable detail is letter i that Russians do not use (they removed it after October Revolution that got rid of Czar family, kulaks and letter i), while Ukrainians use i with joyful abandon.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
    • @Balfour

      Isn’t this the definition of a fifth column?

      A fifth column requires the action be against the primary state not just for another cause. So for example Americans who are huge supporters of classical music aren't a fifth column because the United States is not opposed to classical music. In much the same way Americans who are huge supporters of Israel aren't a fifth column because the United States is not opposed to Israel. Now were Israel a genuine threat to the United States were they enemies and of somewhat equal power, then those softs of actions would be a 5th column.

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • It reminds me a report of a parliamentary commission in United Kingdom that after 20 (or 100?) pages concluded that a fox hunt can be detrimental to the welfare of the fox.

      Lapid is relatively easy to understand. It puzzled me how people claim secular outlooks and then they prattle about 3500 years of history, or about the prophets being spotted on that or the other hill. The other day he quoted a paradox that he attributed to "16-th century philosopher Zeno", which was not the first time he showed himself to be an idiot.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
    • While the comment that Palestinians want to kill Jews in the context of what has happened to the Palestinians since 1948, starting with their ethnic cleansing, is obviously ludicrous, now speaking strictly from my own personal experiences, that comment begs an answer to the question I have….why am I still here, and why am I still living since I've always had Palestinian friends who I actually first met in Israel decades ago and then I was married for many years to a Palestinian who I actually met in Haifa. . I never had issues with any Palestinians regardless of religious backgrounds. I have always been accepted for the person I am, just the same way that I accept people which has nothing to do with race, ethnicity or religion. I never had fears to walk amongst the Palestinians, but it was almost impossible for me to walk amongst Jewish citizens of Israel without being cursed and spit at simply because of my associations with Palestinian Arabs.

      It was only in Israel that I actually had a glimpse of what it might have been like in the past for someone who may have befriended a German Jew during the Nazi rise to power. I felt as though I was actually living the reverse of what it might have been. That is where I learned about racism and hatred on the most personal level possible.

      I can only say that if for any reason I was forced to seek refuge somewhere in this world because of any hatreds, …then I will seek that refuge amongst the Palestinians who have always shown nothing but generosity, tolerance and kindness, in spite of the suffering they have had to endure and still endure to this very day.

      Would the NY Times like to write my story or publish any letters? They never have thus far because I am not projecting the image that they want the public to have.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • Amazing that these heavily armed men are so threatened by a 6 year old boy. This is beyond sickening. Zionism is a sickness and Israel is beyond help.

    • Today's pebble thrower, will hurl rocks tomorrow and can one day be your potential terrorist. Why do the parents allow/encourage these kind of belligerent activities by their children?

      "The enlistment of children to carry out these violent acts is in effect no different than enlisting child soldiers, which is a war crime in terms of Article 8(2)(b)(xxvi) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC)".

      And of course it makes great propaganda for the ISM who just love to demonize Israel at every conceivable opportunity.

      link to thetower.org

  • Palestinian youth fulfill their 'right of return' to the destroyed village of Iqrit (21)
    • "Iqrit was originally a Jewish-populated town, from the Mishnaic period"- Why limit yourself only to that period?:)In Iqrit Canaanite erected a statue representing the god Melqart of Tyre, and Kefar from the root: kfr is typical word for “village” since Canaanite times across the region- you can't limit their history to the Jewish one m8 ;]They weren't "the original" inhabitants...
      Example: W. Khalidi, All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948, or Meron Benvenisti in "Sacred Landscape".
      Besides its story is more complicated than you show us...read this:
      link to iqrith.com

      Please don't say that just because it is mentioned in the Bible or other scripture you suggest that it must have been "originaly" or "only" inhabited by Jews (or Hebrews or Israelites or ppl who believed in El/Il or Yaw/Yau/Yahweh or later in their combined "persona" of 1 God: El/Il, since he was the chief god there, Yahve was his son...). I will repeat myself: even the Bible states that not only Jews lived there, even Jewish archaeologist have proof of that. Practically every city or village mentioned in the Bible has Canaanite roots and were still inhabitated by them (or do you believe that "Jews" killed all Canaanites in the region or most of them?- theory refuted LONG time ago), some later converted some didn't. Besides even the process of the formation of Judaism (that as we can see borrowed elements of local beliefs, which took centuries) are proof of shared life of local Canaanites and Israelites (and later Jewish ppl)- read about UGARIT- basic archaelogical books, like: Mark S. Smith, who writes: “Israelite” religion—have their origin in the earlier polytheisms", and "However, there is little or no basis for these contrasts distinguishing monotheism from polytheism, nor is there a firm basis for the theological weight attached to biblical monotheism itself, a weight that the Bible itself hardly reflects.”- The Origins of Biblical Monotheism: Israel’s Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts. Read also: Manfried Dietric and Loretz.
      There are other arguments about this...In another post I gave some titles about this all.
      The same goes with other migrations. Modern ethnic divisions don't represent the formation of different groups, don't equate religion/language etc to only 1 group- it is a false premise, promoted by modern nationalisms everywere.
      What is your point in writing all this? Do you want to justify what happned to them or why did it happened? In this context of the article and the limitation to only Jewish narration makes it the only explanation.
      Read in Haaretz: Sharon asks court to reject appeal of Ikrit, Biram residents.
      Baruch Kimmerling wrote about Iqrit too.

  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (48)
  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
    • "Isn’t this the definition of a fifth column?"

      If they were supporting Israeli takeover of the US, then, yes, "fifth column" would be a fair description.

  • Israeli settlers release wild boars on Palestinian farmland to destroy crops (19)
    • "The claim is that the Palestinian nation didn’t exist, that there was no Palestinian national identity until about 1920."

      I have never understood why this claim is deemed to be important. Even if it is true, I cannot see how it in any way detracts from or modifies the rights of the Palestinians.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • Traumatizing a child is a heinous act. There is no middle ground, no grey area here. I have no pity for those thugs abusing that child's rights in this way; and quit trying to spin it! There should be zero tolerance for military aggression and abuse against children! No doubt the trauma inflicted on this vulnerable child will leave serious scars.

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • @gilagd
      "This is total denial of Jewish history and heritage."

      I have asked you before to present your arguments based on Jewish history and heritage. Since this is clearly important to you, I am sure you will do so eventually.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
    • Thanks Phil. Great journalism. And thanks to Ted Auerbach for speaking out so clearly.

      BTW, I think this should be brought to the attention of the editors of the Times, forcing them to readdress the matter and formally change their POV, as a guarantee this won't happen again.

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
    • Tonight the lamentable Rudoren and Gordon wrote that "the United States harshly condemning a new deal announced by feuding Palestinian factions, including the militant group Hamas, to repair their seven-year rift". Then they note that Kerry's spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, called the Palestinian move “disappointing” and the timing “troubling.” This is hardly condemnation but then almost everything Rudoren and Gordon write is an attempt to condemn the Palestinians. Such is the conflict of interest when you let Zionists report on Israel.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
    • These are my observations. There are many Jewish Americans that are disturbed by the trends in Israel but few of them are active in opposing them. Amongst the wealthier who are generally older, there is some fear that things will boomerang and they will be blamed and possibly even be subjected to pogroms. History has long tentacles and, in this case, is quite toxic to change. The Jewish Right is taking full advantage but in many cases is quite caught up in the same mindset.

      Younger Jews have, in general, just disconnected with Israel. It is just easier. The fear, palpable amongst many of their elders, isn't there except as a distant abstraction. Disconnect keeps family harmony. They may offer hope as many will become future elites but it will be a long, slow process.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers detain 6-year-old child on his way to school in Hebron (53)
    • "it is more often than not twenty-something kids who get sent to do their dirty work."

      Twenty-somethings are old enough to decide for themselves. When I was twenty (in the era when twenty-one was voting age) the Australian Government told me to join the army and go to Vietnam. I refused, and successfully pled conscientious objection. Not all my contemporaries were successful in gaining CO status, and some went to prison while others fled the country. For all of us, of course, our career prospects were severely damaged.

      In Israel too there are twenty-somethings who can decide for themselves whether they are going to do the right thing or not.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
  • Bridgegate 2.0: Israeli tech students manipulate traffic patterns (24)
    • @ hophmi "Scraping the bottom of the barrel again, I see" based on the premise that " Because, as we all know, hackers exist in Israel only"

      If you say so hophmi

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
    • Bishara and Al Jazeera have done a good job. But I'm going to pick a fight about one point. Bishara writes...

      The only two exceptions to this rule came first in 1991 when the George Bush administration insisted that Israel freeze all settlement building in the occupied Palestinian territories in order to convene the international conference for peace. And in 2010, when General David Petraeus reportedly warned that the Palestinian issue was “fomenting anti-American sentiment due to the perception of US favouritism towards Israel”.

      There have been other exceptions besides the two listed by Bishara. (1) For example, Israel designed and built (with US help) their own fighter plane, the Lavi fighter. But after development, the plane never went into production. Only two prototypes were built. Why not? Because the Israeli plane would have competed with US warplanes in the world market. (2) Right now, Netanyahu is not helping the US in the Ukraine (for whatever his reason). (3) Way back in 1956, in the Suez crisis, Israel allied with France and the UK to attack Egypt. But then the US and USSR forced Israel to give back the Sinai peninsula to Egypt. (British and French power in the Middle East never recovered). (4) The Jonathan Pollard spy scandal. Pollard remains in prison. (5) The eruption of the AIPAC spy scandal (Rosen/Weissman), although in the end, the outcome was different from the Pollard case.

      I have written before that the US ruling class and the Israeli ruling class think that their interests are parallel, at least for the most part and in the long run. However, there are exceptions, some of which are listed in the previous paragraph. Bishara could have compiled a longer list of exceptions, not just two.

  • A Jew who visited Palestine responds to 'NYT' assertion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews (38)
  • Registration of Jews and other human beings (48)
    • Hophmi insists on applying mouth to mouth long after the body has decayed...

      "The point of national registration in Israel is not to identify non-Jews. It’s to identify, period."

      So why does it identify Jews?

  • Peter Beinart misses South Africa's apartheid lesson, Gideon Levy gets it (74)
    • so that is the inferred relationship rather than with the defunct PA.

      yonah, there was no inference made only an explicit statement regarding "US relations with the Palestinian Authority". maybe Psaki or the reporter made a mistake.

      i'm not really clear what palestine has to lose by damaging their relations with israel's lawyer the US. it's just dealing w/more zionists. palestine should dump the US and if they are bent on having a middle broker use some neutral country. the US has nothing to offer palestinians.

  • 'Al Jazeera' examines Jewish constellation of lobby elites, and marginalized 'universalists' (22)
    • I think Martin Indyk and Dennis Ross do deserve credit for helping Israel to continue its insane illegal colonisation programme in the West Bank, during Obama's presidency.

    • Great piece. And what a comment on the state of affairs that obtains: one Jew, amidst the number of Christians, on US team during Egypt-Israel negotiations at Camp David; next time around, Bill Clinton is the sole Christian and rest of US team is all Jews! Pathetic, and dangerous.

  • Israeli settlers release wild boars on Palestinian farmland to destroy crops (19)
    • I have to reply here, because on the other site there is no reply button... again. I will also refer to what you wrote here. I am sorry if some thing are hard to read...it is late here... :)
      You are inconsistent in your assertions, you change your mind and definitions depending on who you're talking about. If you play the "WHAT IF game" and say that a hypothetical expulsion of a community or "throwing it into the sea" is genocide or is close to genocide you can't later change your mind and say that what Zionist did to Palestinian was ethnic cleansing, because they did just that.
      Next :
      Internal activities affect the external action and I didn't only describe Hamas' internal structure. I see that Hamas' unused Charter is an important element of your propaganda, and you will stick to it, even when Hamas doesn't do that (and didn't do it from the beginning, since their attacks started only year after that!,etc)+ regardless of the fact that it is not a basis for their actions and even Hamas members themselves say it. You avoid finding out more about Hamas, claiming that you don't want to read what others write about them -wow here you showed your childishness + in these books are interviews and statements from Hamas members, for example Yasin, etc + you ignored what Yousef said. You avoid at all costs anything that would make you to abandon the typical propaganda on the subject- your choice.
      It is clearly written that the main obstacle to change the Charter--- (which Hamas as a grass-root movement [even as a political party] don't use, and don't find necessary to produce a new one every single time they change their policy- and those books explain why [but you refuse to read them- it is your problem not mine]------are caused by attacks of radical and rival groups, that is why I gave you the work written by Yezid Sayigh who writes about it!I see you have NO idea how big a threat they are for Hamas, NO ONE CARES that you think it shouldn't be a problem for Hamas, why do you think Likud doest change its charter? [the difference also lies in the fact that Likud is serious about its written documents and have different form of policy in this matter, butit does not change its charter also due to the rivalry and criticism of other (ideologically)right-wing groups-so it doesn't matter what you think about that.
      Next :
      You didn't discover America when you wrote about Hamas' own intepretation of Islam! But if you think that the mere reference to Islamic tradition as a social basis for changes and action is anti-Jewish you are no different from the anti-Semites in this regard. Each group draws on religious tradition, has its own interpretative framework, Jews do it too (they also have problems with different interpretation of their tradition, there are numerous conflicts between Jews in this regard and are groups that promote different visions of "true" Judaism)- so what you wrote is actually one big cliche, that brings nothing to the discussion (Read Talal Asad, R.C.Martin, A. Barzegar "Islamism. Contested Persprectives on Political Islam", works of A. Bayat, Kh. Hroub, or even L.D. Lybarger who has somtimes problems with definitions but in general is ok).
      NEXT:
      You don't have a clue about nationalism, "nation" and Arab nationalism! You read something about the Baath Party? Congratulations! BUT it doesn't mean anything! Their program (which later changed, not to mention the split in the group) is mainly about relationship between nationalism and socialism. While based on a broader discussion of Arab nationalism it doesn't devote more attention to culture and identity! About Arab nationalism read for example : Ernets Dawn , Sukru Hanioglu, M. Muslih, R. Khalidi , J.P Jankowski, Philip S. Khoury, L. Anderson, and sources like: al- Rahman al- Bazzaz , Qustantin Zurayq , Edmond Rabbath , Kh. Qubrusi , SATI AL- HUSRI. You know nothing about it- you prove it by writing nonsense about a "racial " meaning of a community in the Arab context! They (and Palestinians too) see the broad Arab community as a group connected by CULTURE, mainly through language! Only some of them mention the so-called "pure Arabs ", who according to them live in the Arabian Peninsula (they themselves say they are basing this argument on the mythologized history). The rest of the Arabs are descendants of people who were arabized. Your "racial" (blood ties) understanding of groups derive more from Zionist narration! AGAIN DON'T PROJECT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THINGS ONTO OTHERS AND ZIONIST UNDERSTANDINGS (WHICH DIFFER DEPENDING ON TIME ETC.) ONTO PALESTINIANS! For example read about the time when Zionists thought of Palestinians, not as Arabs, but descendants of the ancient Jews, but later that changed their narration: Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi were one of them.
      About nationalism read Craig Calhoun, HANS KOHN, Ch. Tilly, J. Breuilly, even Anthony Smith with his ethnosymbolism (who is criticized for confusion of the concepts of ethnicity and nation, when he studies historical communities- he later modified his ideas).
      What you write is nothing else but the application of the nationalist discourse itself, something M. Billig calls "banal nationalism". You reproduce colloquial thinking about nations which you think represent the real process of nation formation, and it's not! You are wrong about the definition of a nation and nationality! The idea of a nation began to develop in the nineteenth century (some studies go to 18th century), according to latest research it didn't start necessarily or exclusively in Europe). Why do you think Zionism emerged in that time? only because of anti-semitism? Well anti-semitism didn't start at that time, so there were other factors in play and nationalism (the idea of a nation) is one of them- many Jews opposed that idea even at first.
      THERE WERE NO NATIONS in antiquity- READ THE BOOKS ABOVE ABOUT IT! Nomenclature is not important, the idea is!!!! Separateness is not a determinant factor for a nation or a homogeneous culture- because ethnicity has the same elements!! DON'T CONFUSE THEM (+there is no such thing as homogeneous culture, and each researcher will tell you that basic truth). No true scholar say that ancient Persians, Romans, Greeks, etc. were nations! Likewise, the Jews and other communities weren't a nation in ancient times. That idea is created by nationalist discourse and that is typical for most national and historical narratives! Strange that you think it is funny that Cannanites by some are considered to be Palestinians, but you don't write the same about the Zionist narrative of the past- could it be (again)the famous "Jewish" exception? On what basis? Even Israeli scholars of nationalism do not say that!
      ALSO YOU MIX Hebrews with Israelites and Jews. You write as if they were one and the same group that at one point in time they killed all the local people and completely replaced them- WOW! Now there is even a new idea: of a long-term migration and assimilation rather than conquest. Do you think that in the 7th century a handful of people magically replaced the local people and for some reason left only a small group of Jews? Are you crazy? Do you think that ALL "Arabs" come from the Arabian Peninsula?! - Haven't you heard of several waves of migration before 7th century: assimilation, religious conversion, etc? Contemporary clear ethnic divisions and historical narratives don't represent the reality and the historical processes! Divisions represent the contemporary state of nationalist discourses! Arabic (its early forms) is associated with this region- discovery in Ugarit is just one example. It didn't "came" only from the Penisula...eh....REMEBER 1 RELIGION, LANGUAGE, "CULTURE"≠ 1 NATION or group IDENTITY, ETC.
      THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF SOLOMON AND DAVID, because the recent discovery in Khirbet Qeiyafa is called the FIRST-EVER identified archaeological evidence of Judean ritual dating from the time of David, about the 10th century bce BUT: Prof. Nadav Na'aman, a historian and archaeologist at Tel Aviv University, discounts Garfinkel and Ganora 's conclusions - what do you think about David is irrelevant. In other post I gave many books on the subject- look it up.
      In addition, Judaism has evolved over a long time and there is evidence in the Bible that "Jews" first believed in two gods El and Yahweh, and only later created the idea of one God. Have you heard about the mother goddess Asherah controversy?? The discovery at Kuntilet ‛Ajrud strains the traditional narrative so much that some traditional Zionist-inclined scholars attempted to “removethe name of ‘Asherah from the inscriptions"- as Johannes C. de Moor writes in "The Rise of Yahwism: The Roots of Israelite Monotheism", second edition. For a description of this discovery, see Zeev Meshel, “Kuntilet ‛Ajrud: A Religious Centre from the Time of the Judaean Monarchy on the Border of Sinai”. Even the Bible notes that apart from the followers of "Judaism" (Judaism at that time, since it didn't constitute "Judaism" in modern sense) other groups lived in this land, like in Jerusalem, Ashakalan, etc., and no one denies this!! Where do you think the later "infidels" came from? that had to be subjected to Christianization for several centuries? From Mars? THEY WERE THERE ALL ALONG!
      NEXT:
      The closing of Israeli archives has been criticized by many Israeli scholars. I can see your hypocritical attitude in this matter. You put great pressure on the Hamas Charter which from the beginning has been null and void, but you defend the censorship of Zionist archives to defend ACTUAL AND NOT HYPOTHETICAL Israel's crimes- BY YOUR OWN DESCRIPTION: GENOCIDAL- don't care if you suddenly want to change it to ethnic cleansing just because Jews did it, I am just using your original stance about this.
      About Palestinian nationalism: You have selected a nice date 1920 ... beautifully .... "pity" that their national discourse has been used by them earlier DURING THE LATE OTTOMAN TIMES- it was a process, their nationalist discourse gained more and more popularity- Zionism went through a similar process, its ideology became popular in late 20s and 30s. As I wrote sole idea of a group's distinctiveness is not a sufficient criterion for nationhood, nationalism it's practically a never ending process (for all "nations").
      B. Kimmerling, R. Khalidi, M. Muslih, T. Samari, Haim Gerber (who mistakenly writes about Palestinian nationalism in the Middle Ages, but gives great historical sources and facts about their collective consciousness and its development), Ph. Mattar, Walid Khalidi and many others.
      Don't write nonsense that there are no modern problems with the definition of who is a Jew, Israeli, etc. Much is written and spoken about it- you don't need to agree with them, but they exist! The very definition of who is a Jew (formally) has changed and still there is no 100% agreed upon definition. Don't pretend that that nothing has been written about the issue of "recognition of the Jewish state"-definition and consequences- (links, books, UN reports etc. cited on this site alone are enough to make your argument about the "validit"y of that demand preposterous)- I won't write them here again + It was invented after the Palestinians AGAIN recognized the state of Israel (Till this day Israel didn't do the same with Pals), and Israel decided to stop the peace talks by demanding that ridiculous, unprecedented, and not required by law, etc. statement- to continue further colonization.
      oh and for your "genocidal revolts" (again you are arbitrarily using this concept, then surely what Zionists were doing to Pals in 1947-1949 (and even in early 50s- read about it) is genocide- don't know where you got your information (Karsh maybe?? ;p )- give me books that say they were genocidal, how big they were, etc., and read Simha Flapan, B. Kimmerling and Migdal, W. Khalidi, R. Khalidi, even Morris, Pappe, Avi Shlaim, Tom Segev, or even Shlomo Ben Ami, Benvenisti for starters.Read also British reports and UN docs about it all... Untill may 1948 Zionist managed to kill and wipe out many Pals and villages, so the "genocidal fight" was in fact done by Zionists (no form of "defence" here "just" making way for a "jewish state"). If you like quotes: Aryeh Yitzhaki, Israeli historian who served as director of the IDF archives stated: "In almost every conquered village (...), Zionist forces commited war crimes such as indiscriminate killings, massacres and rapes."
      You only showed that you have no idea what you're writing about, you avoid or arbitrarily reject any argument to maintain YOUR current ideas about some things. I suppose that once again you will give ONLY YOUR OPINION as "the only" sure counterargument against something you didn't even read, but arbitrarily reject it anyway .... so I will not reply to you anymore since it is meaningless... I doubt that you will read that many books (or at least the few articles I gave you- they are free online) and get familiar with their arguments in 5 minutes, so the discussion wouldn't make sense anyway....

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    • "I see a need to transform that Jewish presence, to embrace Palestinian human rights the same way we support civil rights here."

      Perceiving Jews as uniformly supporting civil rights here ignores the fact that there were many Jews on the other side of the civil rights issue. There were Jewish storeowners in the South who supported, participated and profited from Jim Crow too.

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    • @ Annie Robbins,

      Q: ...pity their brainwashed little souls who kill children like shooting rabbits?

      R: The Army doesn't need individual, thinking souls. Those grueling 13 weeks going through boot camp are all about erasing personal thoughts and meant to instill an automated, violent response to 'them' attacking/hurting 'us.'

      There's no excuse for what they're doing, but there has to be a reason, even if I abhor that illogical rationale myself. I've done enough 'evil' back in the day, to know otherwise.

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    • Wow, lysias, I have watched in amazement at the Times's steady stream of articles skewering Russia and Putin on what seemed to be very ambiguous evidence. It was almost as if they were trying to atone for their negligence in questioning the US rush to war a decade ago by being hyper-vigilant against Russia this time, perverted as if that might sound. I briefly watched MSNBC yesterday, and the talking heads were making fun of the denials from Moscow in the face of this incontrovertible photographic proof. Now this subtle, buried retraction or at least pullback from what was previously presented as conclusively established. I'm not suggesting that Moscow is blameless or angelic, but the ease with which our government can manipulate the so-called liberal news media is astonishing.

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    • @ Woody Tanaka,

      Q: They’re adults and responsible for their own acts.

      R: As much as I agree with the gist of that line, honesty triggers a response along another line; when I was that age [teen/early twenties], I was way more sensitive to outside influences than I am today. Do not underestimate the environment these youngsters grow up in. My friend Avi said years ago, "I don't know what happens to me, but once I get off the plane @ Ben Gurion, I immediately go into 'combat mode.'"

      And he is one of the most peaceful men I know...

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    • lysias said: "I thought that the entity claiming separate existence in Donetsk called itself “Донетская Народная Республика”, i.e., “Donetsk People’s Republic”. Yet this document is entitled “Невасимая Донетская Республика”, i.e., “Independent Republic of Donetsk”."

      Yes, that is the title at the top. But the stamp at the bottom says "Donetsk People's Republic"! The author was presumably in a rush and did not take the effort to produce a consistent text. That is not the only inconsistency. In the heading and the second paragraph Jews are defined as a "nationality" (i.e., ethnic group) but in the third paragraph they are defined as a religious confession. So it is not clear whether people of Jewish origin who do not profess Judaism are required to register or not.

    • The point of national registration in Israel is not to identify non-Jews. It’s to identify, period.

      If that were the case, then it would be unnecessary to indicate a religion/ethnicity on the ID card. In the US I have a driver's license and a passport. Neither one indicates my religion (or lack of same) or my ethnicity. And yet I am still "identified", by my picture, my height and weight, my place and date of birth, and my fingerprint. The only reason Israel puts a religion/ethnicity on its IDs is because it differentiates in its treatment of its citizens on the basis of religion/ethnicity. Your denial of the obvious is pathetic, hophmi.

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    • Many times they have in fact chosen to move from their home country to Israel and so have actively chosen to take part in the Occupation and Oppression. Of course, such folks have been subject to a lifetime of Zionist indoctrination so, although not deserving of pity, we can understand how they are like they are.

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    • Exactly. Israel "says" many things. I think what we are looking for is "Israel stopped discriminating" as in action, not empty words.
      An american from California (for example) whose parents and grandparents and great-grandparents... etc came from the US or eventually Europe can go into Israel automatically. If he/she is Jewish. A person whose parents and grandparents and great-grandparents lived in Ramallah.. not so likely. that is aparthied, just one example of a brutal system that discriminates against one group and favors another.
      Why should i get an automatic pass and not a person that has deep and recent roots to actual living there?

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    • The stench of death is universal. Once you've mastered that smell, you'll recognize it instantly, no matter where you are. So, when the Apartheid State rolls out that bloated corpse they so happily refer to as the ‘Palestinian Peace Process 'Slash' Negotiations,’ I know time has come to finally bury the bugger and arrest the squatters in the Funeral Parlor for impersonating Doves, whilst blood is slithering down the aisles from their bloodstained claws.

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    • Nonsense. The registry, which notes religion, includes Druze and many, many other appellations.

      @ Hophmi, you're being deliberately dishonest. There is no such thing as an "Arab" or "Circassian" religion, the Ministry of Interior registry employs more than 128 "nationalities".

      The ID cards themselves include no mention of ethnicity.

      Sure they do. The date of birth on Jewish identity cards use the Hebrew calendar.

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