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Usually when the Israeli military kills a high profile civilian, the response from its spokespeople is limited to words along the lines of: “It’s under investigation, but we’re innocent anyway.” 

However, with the shooting and eventual killing of Mustafa Tamimi, the IDF feels free to speak its mind via Twitter. Here’s what its spokespeople have to say: 

IDF Spokesperson Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich

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IDF Spokesperson Capt. Barak Raz

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In other words, the smoking gun is the slingshot, not the tear gas launcher that was fired at close range from an armored Israeli miltary jeep that was invading a Palestinian village situated outside of Israel. 

Personally, I couldn’t care less if Tamimi had a boulder and a catapult in his back pocket. But there’s something depressing about laying out a single slingshot for display as if it were a major arms or drugs cache at a press conference. 

And is it me, or is it rather tasteless to boast that you are treating someone in your fine, fine hospital right after you shot that person in the face? 

IDF Spokesperson Maj. Peter Lerner


That’s right. If Tamimi really had nothing to hide, he would have been wearing olive green fatigues, combat boots and a helmet, while firing from the back of an armored military jeep. 

However, the award for the most sickening response to the shooting of Mustafa Tamimi is this additional tweet from Lerner, which was retweeted by Leibovich: 

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Take a look at the image below and imagine Lerner’s “#Fail” hashtag superimposed on it. Then excuse yourself and vomit.

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(Photo: Lazar Simeonov)
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  1. Jeffrey Blankfort on December 10, 2011, 2:34 pm

    What more can one say than Israel is a nation of bloody sadists?

    • MRW on December 10, 2011, 3:24 pm

      Nothing more, Jeffrey. At least, they should drop the ‘moral’ ‘democracy’ monikers. They’ve got an army of barnyard animals.

      The triptych (L–>R) should be Mustafa’s face, the slingshot, the armored military jeep.
      The caption beneath should read ‘The IDF did this because Mustafa used this against this’.

    • seafoid on December 11, 2011, 2:15 am

      He was defending the land of his village . Everyone has the right to a secure home.

    • justsayin on December 11, 2011, 8:38 am

      And yet nato & freedumb are being portrayed everywhere as democracy, when it is thugs put there to distabilize , so these atrosities in Palestine can be going another decade to come. And for what reason, couldn’t they just buy with the tax money land and be productive that would be too easy and moral. Being bad to a sadists, and people don’t seem to conect the dots with zionism being an experiment that should never been implemented in the first place, it destroyed Judism, politics, morality for what reason is the goal, it can not be control…….?

    • on December 11, 2011, 10:55 am

      well Jeffrey, there’s also the question of whom it can be said to (you’ll pardon the infinitive).

      Here’s one suggestion:
      I’ve posted a few times about the brouhaha over Prof. Julio Pino’s outcry “Death to Israel” at a CAMERA-sponsored event at Kent State Univ, and the editorial and op-ed responses to that event that were published in the Akron Beacon Journal.

      Akron Beacon Journal reporter Carol Biliczky ([email protected]) reported on the incident. I thought her reporting failed to flesh out CAMERA, so I wrote to her providing further (probably too much) information about the Islamophobic character of CAMERA and its funders and associates; namely, Aubrey Chernick and a group called Citizens for National Security that Chernick also funds.

      Biliczky replied to my email that information about CAMERA was “not germaine” since she was not writing about CAMERA but about the speaker, who was “dispassionate . . .not anti-Islam [though] pro-Israel . . .” and that “He did not call for the death of Muslims or for the eradication of Muslim states.”

      I responded to Bilczky’s explanation/justification of her report by noting that actions speak louder than words, and that Israel’s actions result in the deaths of Muslims.

      I further explained that the usual red line for free speech is “shouting fire in a crowded theater,” which is not protected speech if there is no fire, but is a moral obligation if there IS a fire. On that basis, I considered Prof. Pino’s outcry, “Death to Israel” to be not only permissible but an essential warning.

      Bilczky has not replied to that or any of several subsequent emails that I have sent to her to inform her of news about Israel that most non-Mondoweissians do not hear on a regular basis; I told her that my purpose in so doing was to deny her the excuse that she “did not know.”

      Last week, it was announced that Warren Buffet had invested multiple millions of dollars in a local newspaper in Omaha, NE (iirc), Buffet’s home town. His reasoning was that local newspapers serve a vital interest in providing local news to the locale’s citizens and businesses. From that tidbit, I surmised that local newspapers — like Akron Beacon Journal– are an important outlet for information. (Be aware that the Jamestown, PA plant that has, in the past, supplied tear gas canisters used by IDF to harm peaceful protesters is about 70 miles of Kent State and Akron, Ohio — within the Beacon Journal’s coverage area).

      Therefore, I suggest to the Keyboard Kombat Korps © at Mondoweiss that they contact [email protected], or a journalist at a local newspaper in your home town, and keep that journalist as up to date on Israel’s and the Israel lobby’s behavior as Phil Weiss etc. keep this group. Deny local journalist ‘plausible deniability.’

      One further suggestion: Prof. Walter Hixson, who published an op-ed titled Why Israel Must Confront its Past has authored several books on US foreign policy, including a book on the uses of propaganda in the Cold War. Hixson might be willing to write a guest article for Mondoweiss, or Phil, Adam &cie might be willing to invite him to do so —- my 2 cents from the peanut gallery.

  2. spuxx on December 10, 2011, 2:39 pm

    May he rest in Peace. From God we come, and to him we return.

    The symbolism speaks for itself.

    There is plenty of footage of the IDF standing by, even protecting, settlers as they throw stones at Palestinians making their way to school or shopping, with none of them having the protection of a helmet or armored car. Maybe the Palestinians should swap the sling shot for the pain ball gun as used on the Mavi Marmarra.

    • seafoid on December 11, 2011, 2:24 am

      the sling shot is for the Israeli conversation. See we killed him but they are all violent murderers these Arabs and we have to kill them. We did it for you.

      • on December 11, 2011, 11:01 am

        Even as they take out the eyes of their victims, Israelis are blinded by their own hubris.

        That slingshot, and Mustafa Tamimi’s shattered face, may be the Davidic slingshot heard ’round the world that will bring down the Israeli monster Goliath.

      • seafoid on December 11, 2011, 4:32 pm

        It is going to take more than this to bring Israel down but the Israeli extremists are working on it.

  3. Cliff on December 10, 2011, 2:39 pm

    Yep, the IDF comments are disgusting.

    Larry Derfner also covers the disgusting talkbacks at JPost:

  4. Oscar on December 10, 2011, 2:58 pm

    The most moral army in the world . . . holds values exactly like our own American values . . . the IDF conducts itself with the utmost regard for human life . . .

  5. iRevolt on December 10, 2011, 3:16 pm

    I honestly cannot hold back my rage. I keep wanting to scream behind these damned walls, in vain as I know that no one listens and no one cares.

    They killed him for a slingshot? For a rock?

    You bastards, you fucking bastards.

  6. seafoid on December 10, 2011, 3:50 pm

    #Fail goes with Barak refusing to be served by Muslims in the US.

    The Zionist mentality is sick.

  7. on December 10, 2011, 3:53 pm

    In other word, they are trying to say: “It’s all HIS fault. He had this slingshot that he dared to use against armored IDF’s vehicle. We are, as always, completely innocent. We are NEVER at fault. We just can’t be. American politicians agree with us. You seee.
    They love the way we deal with those Palestinians.”

    I killed her because she dared to raise her hand on me, while I was trying to rape her.

  8. Cliff on December 10, 2011, 3:56 pm

    Avital Leibovich

    Thats her defending white phosphorus. So it’s unsurprising she uses a slingshot as a justification to blow someones head off.

    • on December 10, 2011, 6:36 pm

      What one can expect from Goebbel’s spokesperson???
      She is just one repulsive, wretched human being.
      A total brainwashed fanatic ,who is capable to defend ANY crime that is commited by her zionistic sect. And I mean ANY crime.

  9. yourstruly on December 10, 2011, 4:50 pm

    mustafa tamimi and scott olsen
    each hit in the head with a tear gas cannister made in the usa
    mustafa shot dead by an idf soldier in the west bank village nabi saleh
    scott seriously injured by a cop in oakland, california
    two freedom fighters
    one cause
    a just and peaceful world

    • hophmi on December 11, 2011, 8:58 am

      Let me know how just and peaceful your life is after you get hit in the head with a slingshotted rock. it’s all easy when it isn’t you.

      • Potsherd2 on December 11, 2011, 9:33 am

        People who aren’t stealing other people’s homes are a lot less likely to be hit by rocks.

        It’s all easy when you’re the one with all the guns.

      • Citizen on December 11, 2011, 10:23 am

        Yeah, just ask Goliath!

      • dahoit on December 11, 2011, 11:57 am

        The IDF wear helmets,unlike the Pals.Document how many sraeli soldiers have been seriously injured or killed by slings please.And doesn’t this put the Palestinians in a Davidian light,that maybe they are the true descendants?

      • Jeffrey Blankfort on December 11, 2011, 12:53 pm

        I guess it would have been a fairer fight had he an AK-47 and not a slingshot. Then it might have been an Israeli soldier in a body bag. Unlike their Nazi intellectual forebears who would have been shot or imprisoned for refusing to obey orders, those Israelis who serve in the West Bank can refuse to serve in the West Bank and quite a number have done so with, on occasion, no more than a week in the brig. Others have chosen with their feet to leave your “shitty little country.”

      • Mooser on December 11, 2011, 1:28 pm

        “I guess it would have been a fairer fight had he an AK-47 and not a slingshot.”

        I’m pretty sure (I’m no expert) that an armored personnel carrier is proof against automatic small-arms fire. Maybe an RPG might have been effective, I don’t know.

      • Mooser on December 11, 2011, 1:30 pm

        “Let me know how just and peaceful your life is after you get hit in the head with a slingshotted rock. it’s all easy when it isn’t you.”

        Yeah, that biblical David guy was a schmuck, wasn’t he? But how can you be hit in the head when you are inside an armored truck? They don’t even have to expose their heads to fire the tear-gas gun.

      • Cliff on December 11, 2011, 2:01 pm

        how about you get the hell off of Palestinian land first, hophmi

        so then people won’t have to use such tremendous, colossal force (a slingshot) against you


      • Cliff on December 11, 2011, 2:02 pm

        oh and now we know that hoppy can’t even express his condolences when a guy is shot point-blank

        just another disgusting comment of his to add to the pile

      • mig on December 11, 2011, 2:06 pm


        Let me know how just and peaceful your life is after you get hit in the head with a slingshotted rock. it’s all easy when it isn’t you.

        You mean, when you serve in IDF, you might get rock in the head ? Yes, serving in the occupier army is a bloody business. You finally realized this oxymoron dilemma huh ?

      • eGuard on December 11, 2011, 3:12 pm

        hophmi: a slingshotted rock — There was no slingshot. It was planted afterwards by IDF.

  10. Potsherd2 on December 10, 2011, 5:26 pm

    The IDF also wears facemasks when they sally forth to commit war crimes, to conceal their identities from any possible international criminal court that may one day call them to account. As no Israeli court ever will.

  11. radii on December 10, 2011, 5:30 pm

    israel the MONSTER … reveling in its inhumanity and cruelty … zionism and israel will become the textbook example for future generations how not to found and run a state

  12. DICKERSON3870 on December 10, 2011, 5:48 pm

    RE: “the award for the most sickening response to the shooting of Mustafa Tamimi is this additional tweet from Lerner, which was retweeted by Leibovich: ‘What was Mustafa thinking running after a moving jeep while throwing stones?’ ” ~ Phan Nguyen

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    • Jeffrey Blankfort on December 10, 2011, 6:50 pm

      How appropriate the lyrics when considering Israel.

      • Citizen on December 11, 2011, 10:24 am

        Now read Neighborhood Bully.

      • DICKERSON3870 on December 13, 2011, 9:58 pm

        RE: “Now read Neighborhood Bully.” ~ Citizen

        Neighborhood Bully lyrics –

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        …Q – Your latest album, ‘Infidels;, is hardly subteen fodder. Some critics have even detected a new note of conservatism in some of the songs — even outright jingoism in “Neighborhood Bully” in which the metaphorical subject is said to be “just one man” whose “enemies say he’s on their land.” That’s clearly a strong Zionist political statement, is it not?
        A – You’d have to point that out to me, you know, what line is in it that spells that out. I’m not a political
        Joe Hill was a political songwriter; uh, Merle Travis wrote some political songs. “Which Side Are You On?” is a political song. And “Neighborhood Bully,” to me, is not a political song, because if it were, it would fall into a certain political party. If you’re talkin’ about it as an Israeli political song – in Isreal alone, there’s maybe twenty political parties. I don’t know where that would fall, what party.
        Q – Well, would it be fair to call that song a heartfelt statement of belief?
        A – Maybe it is, yeah. But just because somebody feels a certain way, you can’t come around and stick some political-party slogan on it. If you listen closely, it really could be about other things. It’s simple and easy to define it, so you got it pegged, and you can deal with it in that certain kinda way. However, I wouldn’t do that. ‘Cause I don’t know what the politics of Israel is. I just don’t know.
        Q – So you haven’t resolved for yourself, for instance, the Palestinian question?
        A – Not really, because I live here.

        Q – Would you ever live in Israel?
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    • dahoit on December 11, 2011, 12:00 pm

      Yeah,what about Bob?Silent Cal huh?All those anti-war Vietnam protestors are silent when it comes to Israel huh?What a bunch of frauds.

  13. eljay on December 10, 2011, 6:50 pm

    Where is RW to decry the IDF’s maximalism? Where is he to tell us about how the IDF could taken this opportunity to “humanize ‘the Other'” and to “make ‘better wheels'”? Where is he to explain why the IDF is assaulting Palestinians in the West Bank (i.e., not within the ’48 or ’67 borders of the “Jewish state”) in the first place?

    Ah, yes, he’s probably busy “holding his nose”…

    • Woody Tanaka on December 10, 2011, 7:56 pm

      Like most so-called “liberal” American Jews, Witty’s supposed liberalism has an exception for when it conflicts with his Judeo-supremacy.

  14. kma on December 10, 2011, 6:58 pm

    who cares what the IDF says about their victims? they’re paid to say the opposite, that the IDF is the victim.
    everyone KNOWS what a kid throwing stones at the IDF is THINKING: I wish those crazy bigots would get off my land, stop killing my family & neighbors, stop taking our homes, and stop taking our land. THAT’S WHAT YOU’D BE THINKING.
    the IDF shoots them regardless of what they do, and they know that too.

  15. kma on December 10, 2011, 7:45 pm

    p.s. would love to see a photo of the slingshot next to the mound of weapons Israel uses against Palestinians. even just the arms used to kill the Palestinians this week alone would not fit in the photo.

  16. tombishop on December 10, 2011, 9:15 pm

    Glenn Greenwald’s current column is very related to this murder of Mustafa Tamimi.

    “The Real Definition of Terrorism”

  17. CloakAndDagger on December 11, 2011, 7:04 am

    Perhaps, as others have said, the time for non-violent protests have passed. They have certainly been ineffective.

    John F. Kennedy famously said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

    Perhaps activists should no longer waste time organizing protests and flotillas, which serve no purpose since the devil cannot be shamed or rendered repentant. A people lacking remorse can feel no guilt. The rest of the western world has been rendered impotent by the various insidious lobbies in these respective countries. They are not about to do anything anytime soon.

    So, perhaps the time has come to use force. Perhaps activism should be focussing, not just on BDS, but also on mobilizing a large enough force to overpower the zionists militarily. The Arab population in the surrounding countries far outnumbers the Israelis, and they can’t use those nuclear weapons at close proximity without wiping themselves out. What they lack is organization and united leadership. If we can solve that riddle, we can turn the tables on these vile people in Israel.

    Yes, I am a pacifist. A lot of good that has done so far! Time to change the script.

    • J. Otto Pohl on December 11, 2011, 11:35 am

      I do not have a moral problem with violent Palestinian resistance against Israeli soldiers, Shin Bet agents, and armed settlers. However, armed struggle has been tried by the Palestinians in the past and the results were mixed. On the one hand it did get international recognition of their plight, mostly in Europe. On the other hand it greatly strengthened popular US support for Israel since it was not accompanied by a proper campaign in the US to portray the PLO as a national liberation movement like the ANC in South Africa. Instead the Zionists continued to fool most people in the US into thinking that Zionism was a national liberation movement for Jews, and the Arabs were just being anti-semitic in objecting to Israel’s occupation of their land.

    • dahoit on December 11, 2011, 12:08 pm

      One of these days,Israels Arab neighbors are going to just rush the place and overwhelm the IDF and we will see a marathon swimming event,possibly to France,as the Arabs will finally realize it’s better to die for freedom and justice now instead of attrition and death spread out for decades in higher numbers.Maybe the Israelis will then nuke themselves in the ultimate Masada moment.
      Why won’t they just make peace NOW!This is getting ridiculous.
      A vote for Dr.Paul will rescue Israel from its madness,I guarantee it.But insane people are just that,insane.

    • Jeffrey Blankfort on December 11, 2011, 5:02 pm

      Non-violence as a tactic has an important place; when it becomes a principle that is considered more important than the goal, in this case, securing justice from an armed, sadistic predatory state that gets away with murdering non-violent protesters or those armed with only stones, it becomes problematic.

      On a couple of occasions, I have posted the story from 2002 when a single Palestinian fighter heroically attacked an Israeli roadblock outside of Ramallah:

      “Nine Israelis, seven soldiers and three settlers, were killed and six were injured, four of them seriously, in a shooting attack Sunday morning on an Israeli roadblock north of the West Bank city of Ramallah, near the settlement of Ofra. Another Israeli soldier was killed when an explosive device was detonated near an Israeli position south of the Kissufim crossing in the Gaza Strip” to which the Israeli responded with an attack by its warplanes against a Palestinian Authority police headquarters and a tank attack on the PA’s General Intelligence Service headquarters in Salfit which were not engaged in the Intifada thanks to the sell-out by Fatah at Oslo.

      Rather than attempting other such successful ambushes, a decision was apparently made by Hamas and Al-Aksa to carry out indiscriminate suicide bombings inside Israel which arguably set back the Palestinian cause by a decade. Whereas some of those bombings did indeed target groups of soldiers who were legitimate targets, the same cannot be said for deliberately targeting civilians inside the Green Line even if they were an understandable expression of decades of oppression, humiliation and frustration.

      While a strong argument can be made for targeting settlers, given that many are armed, are viciously sadist and who also serve in the military, from a tactical standpoint it would have been better to focus on those in uniform on active duty. Even though the Israelis and their supporters would decry them as “terrorist” actions, the larger world outside of their influence would see them as legitimate acts of resistance.

      Whether one agrees with me or not, it is clear that without the threat of force Israel will not give up the West Bank and abandon its settlements and go peacefully into the night. Hezbollah has shown that Israel can be resisted militarily and it is likely that if things continue the way they are at some point in the not too distant future there will be a new region-wide resistance to Israel’s presence against which its nukes will be futile. Much of the responsibility for that will fall on the shoulders of the US and the Zionist establishment which has been pulling its strings on this issue.

      • kma on December 14, 2011, 12:36 am

        “non-violent” resistance has its place when the oppressor is overwhelmingly armed, and there is no option but to stand up to it. it doesn’t mean it works by itself, it just means there isn’t a better option. obviously it would help if the US would non-violently withhold funds!

        but throughout history, the thing that seems to win over the colonizer is being defeated by other powers. if the US doesn’t stop oppressing other countries, it will eventually be defeated violently by other upcoming oppressors, I think.
        what do you think, Jeff?

  18. justsayin on December 11, 2011, 8:40 am

    is the video and admision not acceptible for crime in court

  19. Dan Crowther on December 11, 2011, 9:26 am

    my heartfelt condolences go out to Tamimi’s family, what a horrible, horrible waste – but let it be said that he died fighting on his feet, refusing to live on his knees.

    at some point, some military or well organized militia movement is gonna mop the floor with these pseudo tough guys….. Can’t Wait!

  20. Chaos4700 on December 11, 2011, 9:38 am

    So this man scratched the paint of their armored vehicle with a rock, so they were obliged to shoot him in the face at close range and conduct a summary execution. Now the man’s family are going to be very lucky if Israel doesn’t declare him a “terrorist” and send an armored bulldozer to raze his home and leave them all homeless, which is what they often do.

    This is your justice on Zionism. Any questions?

  21. Citizen on December 11, 2011, 11:04 am

    Meanwhile, on TV last night, I watched Michelle Bachmann tell the view that the I-P conflict boils down to bigotry reflected in Palestinian school books for children, which she saw when she visited Israel years ago. She summarized, that the problem is Palestinians teach hate. For historian Newt, yes, they instill hate in their kids, and the basic practical problem was that Palestinian continually rain rockets down on Israeli homes (& Palestinians are not a real people). Other than my own siblings, I don’t personally know on a daily or regular basis any other Americans who know anything about the I-P conflict other than what our shining lights tell like these GOP candidates tell them. Nor do they have the interest to inquire on the internet or via books, etc. The fundies I know I know only though emails these days–they are always interested in anything apparently indicating how Islam wants to install Sharia law here. None know any Jews personally. Nor do they know any Muslims personally. I think the politically ambitious know this is so across the land by and large, which is why people like Newt, who obviously knows more than the others about the history of the I-P conflict, except for Ron Paul, are confident they can spin hasbara for Zionist dollars and press praise without risk.

    The fundies I exchange emails with are nice people, and not stupid, but when it comes to Israel they say something like, “Nobody is perfect; all groups have bad apples,” etc. They believe modern day Israel is the same as the Israel of the bible, and that God told them to back the Jews. They will send their own kids and grandkids over there to do that, if needed, and lavish all tax money toward that purpose, if needed. Many of these fundies don’t know anything about the history of “Zionism.” They know even less about the Palestinian people, except they think many our bigoted terrorists. They don’t think of themselves as “Christian Zionists.”
    Just Christians who have a special relationship with Jesus and The Lord. Variants of “God works in mysterious ways” and “Who Am I to Judge” are common. They are distrustful of our government otherwise, and especially of Obama. “All politicans are corrupt or lie” is another commonplace conviction. They email to their lists every far right wing conspiracy theory you can imagine–but they never see the hand of Israel or Israel Firsters in America in any of it.

    Does anyone else have this experience personally?

    • American on December 11, 2011, 12:31 pm

      Yea they are stupid Citizen. People have to make a choice to be ignorant, especially today when everything is out there. Stupid people choose ignorance because they mentally lazy and unquestioning.
      If someone said to me about some conflict I knew nothing about–X people are killing Z people—my first question would be –Why?
      If the person said because the Z people are bad I would say—how are they bad?
      If the person said because Z people hate the X people I would ask.. –Why do they hate them?
      You get my drift. Accepting anything you are told by someone(s) without verifying or investigating it yourself is the height of stupidity, especially if it is about something important you are going to take some kind of stand on or incorporate into your beliefs.

  22. American on December 11, 2011, 12:10 pm

    I’m not sure I believe he had a sling shot. The way his arms were in the picture, if he had one it had to have been rolled up into a ball his right hand because there was nothing hanging down. He also had to have been left handed or the sling shot would have been in his left hand which was visible and empty. There is nothing in his back pockets except the outline of a wallet in his right back pocket…..which leads me to believe he was right handed.
    Whether he had one or not is immaterial to their killing him, except it would be normal for the IDF to show some sling shot and claim it was his.

  23. Cliff on December 11, 2011, 12:21 pm

    Says the racist, bigot, nationalistic goon who continues to troll this blog IN SPITE of it’s supposed agenda!

    No one is chaining you to your swivel chair (so you can troll multiple computer screens obviously).

    Get some sunshine. Go on a vacation outside your hate-filled bubble.

    • eee on December 11, 2011, 3:54 pm


      Why do you keep answering me and amplifying what I say, while all the time lying? If anyone is in a hate filled bubble it is you and Taxi. You are looking for excuses to kill Israelis. You are calling for a violent solution, we are calling for negotiations.

      • Cliff on December 11, 2011, 7:46 pm


        I am not lying at all, whereas all YOU can do IS lie. You rely on Wikipedia when you do cite sources, because you’re an ignorant tool.

        All I have to do is quote the hateful bullshit you spew here daily:

        First, let’s begin with one of your many hypocritical amnesiac comments:

        Did attacks on Americans in the UK spike after the US attacked Iraq? No. So why did attacks on Jews double after Cast Lead which resulted in much less harm to human life and was a much shorter operation? How about attacks on Russians following Chechnya?

        It is clear that the hatred of Jews is there all the time and that Israeli actions at most motivate people to act, but are not the cause of antisemitism.

        Then on to one of your many racist and idiotic gross generalizations:

        Hey Phil and Annie and the rest of you guys,

        Can you please ask your Palestinian friends that the next time they murder only the parents? Could you please explain to them that killing three kids including a 3 year old and an infant does not help their cause?

        Who murders random kids sleeping in their beds just because they are Jews? Only very sumud and sensitive people. Please prepare your excuse why Hamas will not condemn this crime and then try explaining how Israelis should really look forward towards living in a one state. I am looking forward to Avi’s explanation why the perpetrators are really heroes. Mooser, do you have any jokes about this you would like to share with us?


        One person did the killing in Itamar in 2002, one person did the killing in Itamar in 2011, and of course it was one person behind each of the dozens of suicide bombings. These child murderers are of course all unique. They are not a product of their own society. Yeah, sure. Your idolization of Palestinian society is grotesque.

        There is no 2SS because you and your settlers killed it with your greed and cruelty.

        There is no point in discussing anything with the jailers of the Palestinian people.

        The Palestine papers have proven how insincere Israelis are about peace. Colonialism is in-built to Zionism. You cannot negotiate unless you have something to trade. The Palestinians have nothing except their very existence and they will not trade on that. Hence, why you have to shoot them at point-blank during a protest on their own land.

        You came into this thread and said nothing about Mustafa’s death. The guy was shot in the face directly with a tear-gas canister and you couldn’t say anything about it.

        So don’t you dare lecture me about ‘violent solution’ you pathetic excuse for a human being.

      • Jeffrey Blankfort on December 11, 2011, 7:58 pm

        Israel is the one that has perpetrated the violence. Personally, I support the dismantlement of the state, given that it is terminally ill (and you, it should be said,represent the symptoms of that illness remarkably well.)

        I also want to see the Israeli Lobby in the US dismantled by whatever it takes to do that so we will never be subjected to such disgusting scenes as the US Congress giving Netanyahu 29 standing ovations and a group of Republican aspirants for president, whoring themselves before the Republican Jewish Coalition such as much of the country watched on C-SPAN (apparently mistaking it for the Comedy channel).

      • W.Jones on December 11, 2011, 11:47 pm


        I wanted to ask you- on one of your video programs you mentioned that they were able to read your letter to someone before you sent it. Wow.

        It seems probably true, but what makes you think this?

        Kind Regards

      • Jeffrey Blankfort on December 12, 2011, 2:39 am

        What I said was that when, in 1988, I wrote to the the head of NBC News who was Jewish, congratulating him for the excellent documentary that NBC had produced during the first Intifada and that he would no doubt be assailed by the organized Jewish community for having done so.

        I was not surprised that I received a friendly reply but what I found curious was that it was written by hand, in pencil, rather than having been typed by his secretary. My only explanation for this was that he was afraid that if he had given the letter to his secretary to type, the ADL would have been sent a copy of it. This, of course, was only speculation on my part but from my experience with others in the mainstream media at the time it is one that has some legs.

        I have another letter from Jim Eason, a now dead afternoon talk show host from the SF Bay Area’s leading talk show station, KGO (formerly ABC and then Disney) explaining why he would never do another program on the subject after having been subjected to the lobby’s vituperation for having interviewed Alfred Lillienthal, one of the first and most important Jewish anti-zionists whose books, The Zionist Connection and What Price Israel? are must reads. Eason askd me to keep the letter secret and I did while he was alive.

        I have written on MW earlier how Owen Spann, also now deceased, the leading morning talk show host in the area, on the same station, had been fired in 1984 after he had interviewed an Israeli reservist, Sinai Peter, now a well known theater director but then a founder and member of Yesh G’vul, who had refused to serve in the Lebanon invasion and who had exposed the government’s excuse for the invasion–that the PLO had been shelling Israel–as a pack of lies. He was in a position to know since he had been stationed on the Israel-Lebanon border. Spann was soon fired and replaced by Ronn Owens, an avowed arch Zionist who has controlled the mic in the morning ever since and every June serves as emcee for the city’s “Israel’s Independence Day” celebration. I am looking forward to the day when SF holds its first Independence from Israel celebration but I am not holding my breath.

      • CloakAndDagger on December 12, 2011, 2:55 am

        It is so depressing to read something like this in this day and age. Depressing but reality.

  24. dimadok on December 11, 2011, 12:35 pm

    Especially when the same comments come from the Israeli side- they are called blood-thirsty, indoctrinated Zionist warmongers.

    • mig on December 11, 2011, 2:01 pm

      Difference is, after Israeli warmonger, someone has to collect dead bodies. You havent noticed dima ?

      • dimadok on December 11, 2011, 9:18 pm

        His death was unnecessary and cruel- that is true. However there are enough dead bodies on both sides without idiotic screaming about wiping out Israel and armed struggles. When you go and start confronting armed soldiers, you are aware of the fact that you may get shot. That would happen anywhere in the world. Getting a gas canister at the close range is dreadful and I am sure whoever fired it will give a full answer for it.
        Getting stones at your head while being on duty can evoke very strong reaction from the individual and I hope that you realize that the soldiers/ police officers are human beings with same set of emotions.
        Should IDF be as blood thirsty as described here no protester would be alive after 2 minutes in to the demonstration. Usual set of ammo is 192 bullets/ soldier- make your own math.
        And another thing – every moron who wants to fight Israel does not help Palestinian cause at all, but nevertheless is welcomed to try.

      • Citizen on December 12, 2011, 2:19 pm

        dimadok, consider the impact of the lone chinese person who confronted the state’s huge military tank in T-Square. You are apologizing for a state constantly regressing in terms of human ethical and moral progression. I doubt those millions who died under the Germans and Imperial Japan hands would feel their murder or maiming would be redeemed by your stance.

    • Jeffrey Blankfort on December 11, 2011, 8:02 pm

      “Blood-thirsty, indoctrinated Zionist warmongers?” I couldn’t have put it more succinctly. That’s exactly what those who defend Israel just happen to be.

      • dimadok on December 11, 2011, 9:20 pm

        Whereas Palestinians killing civilians including children and babies are freedom fighters, who try to “stay human” and are encouraged by the commenters here to continue their “just” and “lawful” struggle?

      • Cliff on December 12, 2011, 2:56 am

        Palestinians who kill children are monsters as well Dim.

      • Jeffrey Blankfort on December 12, 2011, 2:59 am

        No one here is calling killers of children and babies “freedom fighters.” That term would apply, IMHO, to anyone who takes out an armed settler, the West Bank’s version of an “enemy combatant.” While over there I’ve seen more than a few I would have been happy to take out myself.

    • Chaos4700 on December 12, 2011, 9:43 am

      Oh, and you’re not? Nabi Saleh not allowed to bury their beloved son in peace

      I hope someday you find out what it’s like to have somebody attack your family on the day you are mourning the son those same people killed. Maybe then you’ll understand just how evil you are for doing this to the Palestinians.

      Palestinians who kill children are the abberhant and criminal in their society. Israelis who kill children? GET COMMENDATIONS for meritorious service in the military.

  25. Taxi on December 11, 2011, 3:21 pm


    Why don’t you prostrate yourself at my feet and thank me like you expect the Palestinians to do the same when bulldozing their homes mister ex-idf hasbeen candidate for the Hague.

    And NO I do not give you permission to lump ALL mondoweisers in the same ‘cell’. We are all different. I DO NOT represent this site and most certainly this site does NOT represent me.

    “Rage, rage, against the dying of the light!” said Dylan Thomas.

  26. NickJOCW on December 11, 2011, 4:45 pm

    When you live with lies your conscience withers.

  27. DanMazella on December 11, 2011, 5:35 pm

    Citizen, you say this.
    Meanwhile, on TV last night, I watched Michelle Bachmann tell the view that the I-P conflict boils down to bigotry reflected in Palestinian school books for children, which she saw when she visited Israel years ago. She summarized, that the problem is Palestinians teach hate.
    This has been well known. Palmediawatch for years has documented the Palestinians hate campaign and glorification of terrorism against Israeli civilians and how Israel will be eliminated.
    The problem is the Pals know the left will turn a blind eye to this.

    • Cliff on December 11, 2011, 7:13 pm

      *****Israel glorifies its own murderers

      *****Lehi ribbon

      *****Short History of Israeli Right Wing Terrorism

      *****Nurit Peled-Elhanan of Hebrew University says textbooks depict Palestinians as ‘terrorists, refugees and primitive farmers’

      *****Nurit Peled-Elhanan interviewed for the book “Abraham’s Children.” Preorder the book here: (

    • Jeffrey Blankfort on December 11, 2011, 7:20 pm

      Frankly, Mazella, anyone who believes what Bachmann says deserves her as his or her president. Fortunately, most Americans, even Republicans know that she does not know what she has talking about, such as her frequent statements that Ahmadinejad has threatened to wipe out both Israel and the US with its nuclear weapons and she keeps repeating her lies even when told by mainstream media there is no record of him having made any such remarks.

      If most Palestinians hate the Israelis it is not only understandable but they haven’t needed textbooks to learn their lessons. The Israeli Wehrmacht has provided them with more than ample reasons to do so with their routine humiliations of their parents and their sadistic behavior over all which I have witnessed over a 40 year period. Hating one’s oppressor is, in case you don’t get it, legitimate.

      Not legitimate, however, but quite normal in such a situation, is hating the ones you oppress and treating them as subhuman and consequently Israeli schoolchildren, and particularly so, in the country’s religious schools are taught the kind of hatred that its leading rabbis have been known to repeat over and over again and which have been cited in the Hebrew press.

      Had the Zionist Jews not considered the Palestinian Arabs as subhuman they could not have justified their ethnic cleansing and in that sense they are no different from the Nazis or those European colonizers of the Americas who considered the indigenous they found there to be subhuman savages which allowed them to treat them savagely. Who were the real savages in the end and who are the savages of today?

    • tree on December 11, 2011, 9:44 pm

      Palmediawatch for years has documented the Palestinians hate campaign and glorification of terrorism against Israeli civilians and how Israel will be eliminated.

      The problem is the Pals know the left will turn a blind eye to this.

      No, the problem is that too many ill-informed and lazy readers will take Palmediawatch accusations at face value and not search out the subject themselves. Palmediawatch is run by Itamar Marcus, who is a settler in the Occuppied West Bank, and connected to some of the most extremist settler groups.

      Marcus was the director of CMIP, the Orwellian “Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace”, which produced a widely published but highly biased indictment of Palestinian textbooks, which was severely criticized by knowledgeable scholars such as Dr. Nathan Brown (Jewish-American linquistics professor who studied Palestinian textbooks), Israeli professors Daniel Bar Tal, Nurit Peled-Elhanan, and Ruth Firer and the Israel Palestine Center for Research and Information (as its name implies, it is a joint Israel Palestine public policy center).

      More information on the CMIP’s bias and inaccuracies are here, in an article that links to numerous criticisms from multiple mainstream sources:

      And Lawrence of Cyberia does her usual clear and concise analysis here:

      And of course, as Cliff has pointed out, Israeli textbooks have been legitimately criticized ( by Israelis, not just Palestinians) for incitement to hatred and racism towards all Arabs.

      Nurit Peled-Elhanan, an Israeli academic, mother and political radical, summons up an image of rows of Jewish schoolchildren, bent over their books, learning about their neighbours, the Palestinians. But, she says, they are never referred to as Palestinians unless the context is terrorism.

      They are called Arabs. “The Arab with a camel, in an Ali Baba dress. They describe them as vile and deviant and criminal, people who don’t pay taxes, people who live off the state, people who don’t want to develop,” she says. “The only representation is as refugees, primitive farmers and terrorists. You never see a Palestinian child or doctor or teacher or engineer or modern farmer.”

      Peled-Elhanan, a professor of language and education at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, has studied the content of Israeli school books for the past five years, and her account, Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education, is to be published in the UK this month. She describes what she found as racism– but, more than that, a racism that prepares young Israelis for their compulsory military service.

      “People don’t really know what their children are reading in textbooks,” she said. “One question that bothers many people is how do you explain the cruel behaviour of Israeli soldiers towards Palestinians, an indifference to human suffering, the inflicting of suffering. People ask how can these nice Jewish boys and girls become monsters once they put on a uniform. I think the major reason for that is education. So I wanted to see how school books represent Palestinians.”

      In “hundreds and hundreds” of books, she claims she did not find one photograph that depicted an Arab as a “normal person”. The most important finding in the books she studied – all authorised by the ministry of education – concerned the historical narrative of events in 1948, the year in which Israel fought a war to establish itself as an independent state, and hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled the ensuing conflict.

      The killing of Palestinians is depicted as something that was necessary for the survival of the nascent Jewish state, she claims. “It’s not that the massacres are denied, they are represented in Israeli school books as something that in the long run was good for the Jewish state. For example, Deir Yassin [a pre-1948 Palestinian village close to Jerusalem] was a terrible slaughter by Israeli soldiers. In school books they tell you that this massacre initiated the massive flight of Arabs from Israel and enabled the establishment of a Jewish state with a Jewish majority. So it was for the best. Maybe it was unfortunate, but in the long run the consequences for us were good.”

      Children, she says, grow up to serve in the army and internalise the message that Palestinians are “people whose life is dispensable with impunity. And not only that, but people whose number has to be diminished.”

      Too many are willing to turn a blind eye to this racism, and prevent others from hearing about this. You are among their ranks. This is the real problem that must be addressed. Do you have the moral courage to face this?

  28. DanMazella on December 11, 2011, 5:45 pm
    In fact, on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV.
    “Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

    • RoHa on December 11, 2011, 6:22 pm

      Sounds like a good plan to me, but I think creeping infiltration is more likely to be effective than a military strike.

    • Cliff on December 11, 2011, 7:26 pm

      Everything cited is from

      As early as 1914, Ben-Gurion admitted secretly that Palestinian nationalism existed, at least among the working masses. He explained that Palestinians’ hatred of Zionism was based on their fear of being dispossessed. Ben-Gurion analyzed this hatred and stated:”

      […]this hatred originates with the [Palestinian] Arab workers in Jewish settlements. Like any worker, the [Palestinian] Arab worker detests his taskmaster and exploiter. But because this class conflict overlaps a national difference between farmers and workers, this hatred takes a national form. Indeed, the national overwhelms the class aspect of the conflict in the minds of the [Palestinian] Arab working masses, and inflames an intense hatred toward the Jews. (Shabtai Teveth, p. 18-19)

      “Palestine is not an empty country . . . on no account must we injure the rights of the inhabitants.” Ben-Gurion often returned to this point, emphasizing that Palestinian Arabs had “the full right” to an independent economic, cultural, and communal life, but not political. (Shabtai Teveth, p. 37-38)

      “We do not recognize the right of the [Palestinian] Arabs to rule the country, since Palestine is still undeveloped and awaits its builders.” In 1928 he pronounced that “the [Palestinian] Arabs have no right to close the country to us [Jews]. What right do they have to the Negev desert, which is uninhabited?”; and in 1930, “The [Palestinian] Arabs have no right to the Jordan river, and no right to prevent the construction of a power plant [by a Jewish concern]. They have a right only to that which they have created and to their homes.” (Shabtai Teveth, p. 38)

      “Everybody sees the problem in the relations between the Jews and the [Palestinian] Arabs. But not everybody sees that there’s no solution to it.

      There is no solution! . . . The conflict between the interests of the Jews and the interests of the [Palestinian] Arabs in Palestine cannot be resolved by sophisms. I don’t know any Arabs who would agree to Palestine being ours—even if we learn Arabic . . .and I have no need to learn Arabic. On the other hand, I don’t see why ‘Mustafa’ should learn Hebrew. . . . There’s a national question here. We want the country to be ours. The Arabs want the country to be theirs.” (One Palestine Complete, p. 116)

      As WWI was winding down, Ben-Gurion clearly stated that Zionism’s ultimate objective is to make Palestine (inclusive of Trans-Jordan) a land with a Jewish majority. He stated in November 1917:

      Within then the next twenty years, we must have a Jewish majority in Palestine.” (Shabtai Teveth, p. 43)

      “The success of the [Palestinian] Arabs in organizing the closure of shops shows that we are dealing here with a national movement. For the [Palestinian] Arabs, this is an important education step.” (Shabtai Teveth, p. 80)

      The concept of a “Jewish Majority” in Palestine is one of Zionism’s major pillars. This point was eloquently articulated by Ben-Gurion when he stated in 1929:

      A Jewish majority is not Zionism’s last station, but it is a very important station on the route to Zionism’s political triumph. It will give our security and presence a sound foundation, and allow us to concentrate masses of Jews in this country and the region.” (Shabtai Teveth, p. 103)

      In the context of the 1929 disturbance, Ben Gurion spoke of the emergin Palestinian nationalism, and the main goal of Zionism (where Palestine’s population becomes a “Jewish majority”) to the secretariat of the major Zionist groupings.

      He said:

      The debate as to whether or not an Arab national movement exists is a pointless verbal exercise; the main thing for us is that the movement attracts the masses. We do not regard it as a resurgence movement and its moral worth is dubious. But politically speaking it is a national movement . . . . The Arab must not and cannot be a Zionist. He could never wish the Jews to become a majority. This is the true antagonism between us and the Arabs. We both want to be the majority.”(Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 18)

    • Jeffrey Blankfort on December 11, 2011, 7:50 pm

      Perhaps you are unaware that the Israelis were putting $8 million a month into Arafat’s personal bank account up to the beginning of the 2nd Intifada, which very much upset Natan Shransky then in the cabinet who complained that since Arafat’s PA was not being run democratically, they shouldn’t be paying him (reported in the Jewish weekly, Forward). But with Oslo, they more than got their money’s worth, his statements on Jordan TV being simply designed to fool the Arab world and the Palestinians who he had just betrayed.

      The truth about Oslo was admitted by former intelligence chief Shlomo Gazit who was one of Israel’s chief negotators. Speaking about the agreement at a Dennis Ross’s old San Francisco synagogue shortly after the signing, he was challenged during the question period by a crazed Zionist with a strong German accent who ran down the aisle shouting, “Munich, Munich!,” implying that Oslo represented a sell-out by Israel similar to what happened there in 1938.

      “My friend,” Gazit calmly replied. “I don’t like to make such comparisons, but if it’s Munich, we’re the Germans and the Palestinians are the Czechs.”

      Those who defend Arafat as a champion of the Palestinian people are either willfully ignorant or are unaware of his sordid betrayal at Oslo at which no Palestinian lawyer was allowed to participate and those who criticized the agreement publicly afterward were arrested. There can be no defense of his agreement to turn over Palestinian land in the West Bank to Israel while getting nothing, except for that $8 million, in return. And who did he have as his chief negotiator, Mahmoud Abbas, another traitor. Since this thread is not about Arafat I will not get into his corruption and how he helped to turn the Lebanese against the Palestinians resistance.

    • annie on December 11, 2011, 7:08 pm

      thanks split

      A leaked US diplomatic cable, written last year, quoted a senior Israeli officer as saying that “even demonstrations that appear peaceful” would not be tolerated and would be broken up.

      Conceding that non-violent protests presented a particular challenge to Israeli control of the West Bank, the cable quoted Gen Amos Gilad, a senior defence ministry official, as saying: “We don’t do Gandhi very well.”

      The Israeli army’s actions in Nabi Saleh have been criticised in the past after a number of children were detained and allegedly subjected to sleep deprivation and threats during interrogation to force them to incriminate adults who participated in the demonstrations.

      we don’t have msm like this here.

      • Chaos4700 on December 12, 2011, 7:21 pm

        I think we pretty much just have Democracy Now! and that’s it.

  29. split on December 11, 2011, 6:50 pm

    “What was Mustafa thinking running after a moving jeep while throwing stones #fail.” – You can make such sick joke after murdering a protester hurling rocks at armored vehicle only being raised with a conviction that you’re better, a Herrenrasse and that the rest of us are nothing but disposable trash ,…

  30. split on December 11, 2011, 7:45 pm

    thesaurus for fail:
    failure, epic fail, epic, loser, stupid, noob, lol, suck, phail, idiot, lame, shit ,…

  31. Kathleen on December 12, 2011, 5:12 pm

    “Take a look at the image below and imagine Lerner’s “#Fail” hashtag superimposed on it. Then excuse yourself and vomit.”

    That bloody image and “fail” about nails the attitude and actions of the Israeli army.

    Will anyone be held accoutnable.

  32. Chaos4700 on December 12, 2011, 7:17 pm

    So Zionism’s greatest ally in the United States is…. Michele Bachman!

    Oh-ho, you guys are f*cked.

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