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Knesset members Michael Ben-Ari (left) and Aryeh Eldad on the evicted Natcheh family’s sofa in Beit Hanina. (Photo: Michael Ben-Ari)

Following last week’s eviction of the Palestinian Natcheh family from their Beit Hanina home, Israeli Knesset members Michael Ben-Ari and Aryeh Eldad visited the house now inhabited by some eight settlers. To mark the occasion they posted a picture of themselves lounging on the Natcheh’s sofa on Facebook.

“We are at the start of the establishment of a new Jewish neighborhood in the area, which will create a continuous sequence of Jewish neighborhoods in northern Jerusalem,” said Eldad to the settler online mouthpiece, Israel National News. “Only the stubbornness of the Jewish landowners and Aryeh King of the National Land Redemption Fund ultimately led to the achievement of the day and we are confident law enforcement agencies will be required from now on to remove Arab squatters from all the properties of the Jews in the area.” Ben-Ari and Eldad “affixed mezuzahs inside of the house, rituatlistically marking the takeover.

The Knesset ministers hope to judaize Beit Hanina, though historically there have never been Jewish residents in this East Jerusalem neighborhood. On Facebook, Ben-Ari said the settlers will build 50 new housing units on the property.

Screen shot 2012 04 23 at 3 25 03 PM
Screen shot of photo caption on Ben-Ari’s Facebook page, announcing hopes to build
“50 housing units.”

Since 2004, settlers have tried to confiscate the Natcheh family’s property.  Part of the land had belonged to the Hebrew University, and in 2004 their shares were sold to the Palestinian Authority, despite a steeper counter offer from King. Then about a year ago, King tracked down an alleged Jewish owner who he claimed purchased the land in 1974. King then presented documents to the Jerusalem municipality, though the Palestinian family said the papers were forged. Khaled Natcheh called the magistrate a “settlers’ court,” as reported by Haaretz‘s Nir Hasson.

Yet the Natcheh family states they have owned the land since the 1930s, using it first as a cement factory, later building three homes during the 1980s, according to Michael Salisbury with the Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions who has visited with the Natcheh family several times in the past few weeks.

Ben-Ari and Eldad are both members of the right-wing National Union party. Previously, Ben-Ari was a member of the now illegal Kach party. 

(h/t to Phan Nguyen and Paul Mutter)

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  1. Walid on April 24, 2012, 10:04 am


    • Carllarc on April 24, 2012, 4:11 pm


      ‘ “We are at the start of the establishment of a new Jewish neighborhood in the area, which will create a continuous sequence of Jewish neighborhoods in northern Jerusalem,” said Eldad to the settler online mouthpiece, Israel National News.’

      is why the Palestinians can’t sell property to Jews; because it isn’t selling, it’s stealing.

    • Dutch on April 24, 2012, 9:04 pm

      No, no, no … A well-deserved rest after a busy day at the Ministry of Ethnic Cleansing.

  2. justicewillprevail on April 24, 2012, 10:10 am

    The crass insensitivity, the smug smirking triumphalism in having made a family homeless, just so they can celebrate some mythical claptrap, is quite sickening. The symbolism of this photo reeks of the arrogance of their racist presumptuous vindictive philosophy.

    • weindeb on April 25, 2012, 3:09 am

      Justicewillprevail, you have said it so succinctly and right. My God, if you were to draw some sort of political cartoon condemning this outrage you could find no better graphic reference to help you along than this photograph. And to think that these two criminals are representative of the governmental policy of a nation influencing American political discourse and action. I really can’t understand how a decent person can any longer be a card-carrying Zionist.

      • Erasmus on April 25, 2012, 10:35 am

        just to add:
        The icing of this indecency and obscenity is, that this picture is even publicised by MK Michael Ben-Ari himself!!
        Obviously, such representatives of agressive Israeli occupation-colonialism have all lost any senses. They apparently do not even have an inkling about the possibility how much (for their “cause”, mind you) damaging PR this photo is. Boundless stupidity.

        It may not quite reach the impact of the famous MyLai photo, that rang the bell for the final round of the US-Vietnam war, however sth of a similar impact the photomay well have……
        One should disseminate it widely. it does not need much explanatory sub-text. It indeed speaks for itself.

  3. Dan Crowther on April 24, 2012, 10:12 am

    Ben-Ari and Baruch Marzel are hardly “former” members of Kach – they just re-branded it. these cats are completely repugnant

  4. seafoid on April 24, 2012, 10:14 am

    I believe the US term would be “douchebag”

    Meanwhile elsewhere in the holy city

    Amir Salima, 21, from the Old City of Jerusalem, has no legal status – not in Israel, not in the Palestinian Authority and not anywhere else. He has no identity card, no passport, he cannot register for university studies, apply for a job, sign up for an HMO or open a bank account. He cannot visit the West Bank or anywhere else outside of Jerusalem. In fact, he can barely leave his house, for fear of being caught by the police.
    Salima is a man with no identity. The absurdity of his situation is amplified by the fact that his parents and five siblings all hold Israeli identity cards. The reason is simple: unfortunately for him, he was born in a hospital in Ramallah, and not in Jerusalem.
    In one case, a police officer even sought to expel him from his house, after declaring him “illegally present.” In another case, he was caught by police and strip searched. Since then, he is reluctant to leave home
    • The Interior Ministry said in response, “The family’s request was rejected due to various reasons, among them center of life. Moreover, their request was recently rejected by [an Interior Ministry] committee. Beyond that, our full response will be submitted to the court.”

    zionism is a sick ideology.

    Hevenu shalom aleichum

    • Kathleen on April 24, 2012, 12:10 pm

      War criminals as well as being arrogant and despicable mother f—ks.

    • Shingo on April 24, 2012, 5:25 pm

      I believe the US term would be “douchebag”

      I believe the clinical term would be “sociopaths”

  5. seafoid on April 24, 2012, 10:17 am

    The couch is a microcosm of Palestine.
    You can see the sumud in its dignity while the 2 sleazeballs oppress it.
    The kippas are a joke.

    • Woody Tanaka on April 24, 2012, 11:59 am

      “The kippas are a joke.”

      Sadly, no. Unfortunately, many of the trappings and symbols of Judaism are being co-opted by the Zionists for thier ideology. Perhaps one day, some of these symbols may be seen as strictly Zionist and not Jewish ones.

  6. Woody Tanaka on April 24, 2012, 10:25 am

    It is interesting that for years I’ve heard stories of Jews after the end of the war returning to their old homes and being shut out by the new residents and thought that it was a horrible thing.

    So, I’m confused. Since I have no doubt that no member of the Government of the “Jewish State” so-called, would do something similar to another person if it was evil when it happened to the Jews. Since these two officials seem thrilled by this takeover of Palestinian property, does this mean that I no longer have to feel bad for any of the Jews who lost property in the Holocaust???

    • seafoid on April 24, 2012, 11:53 am

      And when are the Natches going to get reparations? When is AIPAC going to lobby congress for them ? Where is the Anti Defamation League when they are really needed ?

    • dianab on April 24, 2012, 12:13 pm

      Woody, it’s important not to conflate Israel and Israelis with Jews. My Jewish family (and by extension, my daughters and their families) lost property during the Holocaust. And not only do I not support Israel, but I consider the self-described Jewish country of Israel an illegimate political entity ever since its “creation” in 1948 — or from whenever one wish to count. Jews and Israel are not the same thing!

      • Woody Tanaka on April 24, 2012, 12:34 pm


        I recognize the distinction and my post was meant to be a facetious commentary on the (mis)use of the memory of the Holocaust by the Israeli state. I am very much a supporter of people who lost property in the war to have a fair chance to recover it. I sincerely apologize that that was not clear from my post.

      • dianab on April 24, 2012, 12:49 pm


        Thank you for your apology, but an apology is absolutely unnecessary!

        I think that it is incumbent upon all of us to support each individual’s right to his or her property, whether that property is lost by war, by other types of theft, or by whatever means. And for sure, the cynical and manipulative use of the memory of the Holocaust by Israel and the Zionists is reprehensible.

      • Shingo on April 24, 2012, 5:28 pm

        Jews and Israel are not the same thing!

        Agreed Diana, which is why most of us object to describing it as a Jewish state.

      • seafoid on April 24, 2012, 5:32 pm

        I’m afraid it’s too late, dianab. Of course there are many decent Jews who don’t believe that the future of the Jewish people has to involve the destruction of the Palestinian and Iranian nations but they are a minority and they have no political or financial power and it’s all about money and power as Israel goes deeper into militaristic psychosis supported to the hilt by Jewish officialdom in the US, France, the UK, Germany , Italy, Spain, wherever.
        They probably know it has gone too far but they don’t have the balls to do anything.

        It is going to be a car crash. I am sorry but that is the way I see it.
        The time to stand up to the thugs was 50 years ago. Now Lieberman is foreign minister.

        “But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes ”

  7. Sin Nombre on April 24, 2012, 10:56 am

    One might be tempted to note the precise similarity of this kind of grind-it-in-their-face posing with some of what the Nazis did except for Alan Dershowitz telling us that any such parallels are per se anti-semetic.

    • Antidote on April 24, 2012, 10:27 pm

      “this kind of grind-it-in-their-face posing with some of what the Nazis did except for Alan Dershowitz telling us that any such parallels are per se anti-semetic.”

      It’s more anti-German than anti-semitic. Expulsions and expropriations are not something only the Nazis did. The Bolshevists and Stalinists did it on a much larger scale, and long before the Nazis did it. The two jerks on that sofa are worse than either: there were no laws against expropriating people, or making people homeless, prior to the post WW II period, at least not in Russia/the Soviet Union ,nor in Germany and continental Europe. But there are such laws and international standards now. And lets remember that those two Knesset members are supposedly working under the restrictions of Israeli law as well, including the Declaration of Independence (no discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or religion). The difference between the Nazi and the Zionist prototype is that the first is rather upfront about it, while the latter is not only a racial suprematist but also a sickening hypocrite who screams ‘anti-semitism’ when you call a spade a spade, then gloats on the sofa.

    • Talkback on April 25, 2012, 9:18 am

      “except for Alan Dershowitz telling us that any such parallels are per se anti-semetic.”

      Because he’s per se a liar.

  8. Chu on April 24, 2012, 11:02 am

    It really doesn’t matter who is sitting on that couch -it could be Barack Obama and Chuck Shumer. They are just as much to blame as these two schlubs. Everyone in this system is responsible. These guys are the candles of the cake.

    But, I’m sure someone like reporter-cum-pundit Gloria Borger could put a marvelous spin on this photo, if it ever made it into the msm’s laundering pool of sanitary topics.

  9. OlegR on April 24, 2012, 11:03 am

    Excuse Allison me where does it says exactly that’s the sofa belongs to the Arab family.
    It’s not really the point of the article but since the author made sure to emphasize that
    then i would like to know.

    • seafoid on April 24, 2012, 2:03 pm


      The Arab family probably turned up yesterday once the Jews moved in. You know the way. They probably aren’t even “Palestinian”. I bet they are Syrians who were attracted by the thriving Jewish economy in Erez Israel. In fact up until yesterday there were no Arabs in Jerusalem.

    • justicewillprevail on April 24, 2012, 3:43 pm

      Straws. Clutching. Diverting. Ignoring. Trivial. Tw*t.

    • eGuard on April 24, 2012, 6:58 pm

      OlegR: where does it says exactly that’s the sofa belongs to the Arab family

      Nowhere. Not even the house is theirs, don’t you get it? Israel High Court approved the fake claim of Jewish ownership.

    • annie on April 25, 2012, 1:28 am

      oleg, if you go to the facebook page allison linked to and copy paste/translate the original it say they were sitting on the ‘redeemed’ couch. then in the comments many referenced the couch. like this:

      (google translate from hebrew)

      Sunday at 5:44 am · 1
      Ziv Chatav what it’s like Gaddafi sofa …
      Sunday at 5:50 am · 1
      Amateur chest .. That’s the beauty of the sofa was the Arab family who lived there and it’s a victory even more sweet :)

      • OlegR on April 25, 2012, 9:10 am

        Annie i am Israeli therefore i know Hebrew :)
        I see that one guy made such a comment but don’t see any reason to believe that he is somehow connected to this or where did he get such a an idea.Anyway this is not really important.

      • annie on April 25, 2012, 11:19 am

        oleg, allison wrote To mark the occasion they posted a picture of themselves lounging on the Natcheh’s sofa on Facebook.

        therefore , i assumed the facebook page was a page belonging to one of the two MK’s. perhaps i assumed wrong. anyway, the original description by whomever posted it, according to the translation, used the word ‘redeemed’ wrt the couch, hence the responses in the comments. this is my recollection, i am not planning on retranslating the text or the comments.

        anyway, i happen to think it is important and my guess is this photo will go viral. if it is untrue that this couch belongs to the evicted palestinians one would imagine there will be a denial forthcoming in the media.

    • talknic on April 25, 2012, 1:50 am

      OlegR — I wonder what it’s doing OUTSIDE?

  10. Kathleen on April 24, 2012, 12:11 pm

    No need to wonder why Palestinians hate them

  11. annie on April 24, 2012, 12:31 pm

    someone said the other day on one of the threads something about the sadistic quality of what was going on and i thought about the settlers who took over the Natcheh family home. it was the arrogance in the stroll of the other photo, with idf protection. i didn’t say anything at the time although i did go back and look at the picture.

    but this, there’s a streak of sadism in this photograph.

    • seafoid on April 24, 2012, 2:04 pm

      There is a huge dose of hubris in the photograph.
      As well as lashings of Jewish crassness and ignorance.

  12. DICKERSON3870 on April 24, 2012, 12:54 pm

    RE: “Following last week’s eviction of the Palestinian Natcheh family from their Beit Hanina home, Israeli Knesset members Michael Ben-Ari and Aryeh Eldad… posted a picture of themselves lounging on the Natcheh’s sofa on Facebook.”

    MY COMMENT: To say that photo is worth a thousand words would be the understatement of all understatements!

    P.S. Is it possible to make a bid on that sofa? I hate to take advantage of people who have been dispossessed, but a good deal on a distressed sofa is a good deal on a distressed sofa! And that sofa has beaucoup ‘joie de vivre’. Come to think of it, that sofa would have been a ‘hands down’* winner for the Lacoste Elysée Prize!

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    P.P.S. FROM

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  13. Taxi on April 24, 2012, 12:54 pm

    I have more respect for that sofa than for the two ugly men squatting it.

    They will pay through the nose for this plain theft.

  14. Taxi on April 24, 2012, 1:40 pm

    Call me goofy but I just had a cool fantasy where I manage to farcically kidnap the sofa out of israel and ingeniously, lovingly, leave it on the White House lawn with a message taped to it that says: Ethnically Dry Cleansed.

    (Okay mondofolk, perhaps my message is a little chop-suey but do feel free to tape up your own message there too hahahaha heck let’s fill it up!)
    (Activism as performance political art in cyberspace – yeeehaaaaw and ooolahlah!)

    • annie on April 24, 2012, 2:14 pm

      i love your goofiness taxi, don’t ever change.

    • Shingo on April 24, 2012, 5:38 pm

      We should think up some slogans to put above this picture:

      “Remember the Holocaust”


      “Remember, we’re the victims in all thus”


      “we have the right to defend ourselves”

      • Shingo on April 24, 2012, 5:39 pm

        Just thougt of another:

        “waiting for a partner for peace”

      • Elisabeth on April 25, 2012, 7:07 am

        That one is the best!!

      • eljay on April 24, 2012, 6:13 pm

        >> We should think up some slogans to put above this picture:

        Michael: “Tell me, how do you think the occupation is going?”
        Aryeh: “Sofa, I think it’s going great!”
        [The two men burst out laughing.]
        Michael: “Yeah, y’know, this’ll look nice in my lebensraum!”
        [More laughter ensues.]

      • annie on April 25, 2012, 5:29 pm

        i think it needs some catchy slogan w/’re-enactment’ somewhere in it. instead of a remembrance day something catchy about ’48 ethnic cleansing grinning fat cats lounging on jerusalemite nakba victims funiture. everyday is reenactment day in israel or something like that.

      • Daniel Rich on April 24, 2012, 7:55 pm

        @ Shingo,

        “Sofa-dodgers!” – Mel Gibson

      • Dutch on April 24, 2012, 9:18 pm

        M. to A.: “I bet this Palestinian scum stole our table and chairs.”

  15. piotr on April 24, 2012, 2:43 pm

    This is a magnificent sofa! One could sit the entire National Union party here!

    Good time to remember that our culture owes a lot to Orient; it is not just falafel, but also sofas and ottomans. I read that before interacting with Turks Europeans did not use buttons. You would be watching TV sitting on a wooden bench, dressed in draw-string leggings and a tunic.

    Stupid people make wars over women, like Helen of Troy. Wise people set their gaze on a good sofa.

  16. CloakAndDagger on April 24, 2012, 3:35 pm

    This is how hate begins.

    I am a lover not a hater, but the sight of these smug bastards lounging on the couch of an oppressed family, beaming with self-satisfaction, raises the bile to my throat and leaves me fuming with rage, and yes, even hatred.

    I console myself with the historial knowledge of how pride precedes a fall. The day of reckoning is nigh.

    I am going to start stocking bottles of champagne for that day.

    On that day, I am going to empty my wine cellar, and all of you have an open invitation to join me in depleting my collection – yes, even the zionists on this board.

    • Taxi on April 24, 2012, 3:53 pm

      Careful Cloaky, you might get sanctioned for possession of a large stock of depleted winerium.

      And did ya have to invite the frigging ziobots to the party?! You blew it! Dis-invite them or I ain’t coming with my stock of ready for depletion expensivo champaignia!

      • CloakAndDagger on April 24, 2012, 4:05 pm

        Dis-invite them or I ain’t coming

        My claim to being a “lover not a hater” presents a philosophical imperative for me to invite them as well. Maybe you and I can share your expensive champagne in a separate room?

      • Taxi on April 25, 2012, 12:52 am


        Why d’ya have to be so civilized and reasonable?! Me? I’ve seen with my own eyes too much zio murder and mayhem to ever think of drinking my precious champagnenium in the scummy company of zionists. But you’re invited to my ‘Israel Is Toast’ party – and here be assured it’ll be zio-free with beefy Palestinian bouncers at the door sniffing them out and KEEPING THEM OUT. You never know, if I let them in, they might steal my favorite sofa.

      • CloakAndDagger on April 25, 2012, 4:48 pm

        You never know, if I let them in, they might steal my favorite sofa.

        Maybe I am just punchy, but that had me rolling on floor clutching my sides! LOL!

      • annie on April 25, 2012, 5:31 pm

        i’m on permanent keyboard alert whenever i read taxi, stay away from the liquids.

    • Taxi on April 24, 2012, 5:23 pm

      Honest to god now mondiez, don’t the sofa look more honest, more humble and better looking than the two homo sapiens sitting in it?

      Clearly, some members of our species are so deplorable that even a piece of furniture’s got more soul than they do.

      What an astounding and symbolic fotograph you got us, Alison. I really think that it should be made into a poster with your very headline as caption – should be plastered all over USA bus stations and urban metros. I mean all of us, rich or poor, man or woman, young or old, black or white, gay or straight, religious or not: we all have a very special relationship with our couch. We love our couches. Everyone relates to cozy, warm couch-love, right? Our couch gives us something almost like mother’s love. Major item of personal creature-comfort. Great place of daily refuge and meditation, especially if you’re like me: rarely sit on my couch cuz I prefer total horizontal languid R&R on my couch. And so for all of us out there, who dearly love our couches, to see some scummy couch thieves posing on it and tramping up on a sidewalk – well that just wigs out all the wiggles in your heart and brain and so deeply offended at the celebrated injustice, that you feel you’s about to morph into a freaking fireball! Yes we all despise comfort-thieves with a passion. It’s primordial.

      Take a look at the foto again: the ironic beauty of this sad looking couch, the way it looks like it’s leaning back in silent pain, polite rejection of her two dastardly ‘acquirers’, quietly despairing at her future, helpless hostage, sudden war trophy to warmongers.

      (Yap, that couch’s really got me!)

      I’m thinking here that due to lack of readily available information and insidious zio propaganda, etc., Joe and Jane (as our good Citizen likes to call the average folk) probably understand the trauma of couch-loss more immediately than the complex trauma of a third party in a faraway land being ethnically cleansed. Here simplicity is power – and the power of this foto indeed is that it inspires universal disgust.

      • annie on April 25, 2012, 5:34 pm

        agreed, a big poster..zios celebrating nakba, everyday is reenactment day..

    • Antidote on April 24, 2012, 10:41 pm

      “the historial knowledge of how pride precedes a fall”

      I fail to see this principle unfolding in history. Did pride precede the fall of the Palestinians? It’s a religious or moral concept, not a historical law. Let’s not get carried away with false hopes

  17. stopaipac on April 24, 2012, 5:23 pm

    it must be remembered that the actions of Israeli army Lieutenant-Colonel Shalom Eisner and those like him make things like this possible. Eisner”s violent attack on resistance to the occupation is absolutely necessary for Israel to continue its present course. This photo shows the end results of the mission Eisner was part of. That is, the dispossession of the Palestinians from their land and homes. It is not merely the way Eisner carried out the mission, but the mission itself that is an affront to humanity.

  18. Erasmus on April 24, 2012, 6:44 pm

    This sofa picture says it all about them sitting there rejoycing:


  19. Daniel Rich on April 24, 2012, 7:46 pm

    Picture … a thousand words … This image perfectly captures what real occupation looks like. It makes my heart cringe and triggers a nauseating feeling beyond believe. The sheer narcissistic arrogance is appalling and utterly despicable.

    • CloakAndDagger on April 24, 2012, 10:48 pm

      I agree with you and taxi. If the effect it had on my emotions is anything to go by, then this picture can be a powerful tool for waking up the American populace to the realities of what Israel is doing. We need to make this go viral somehow.

      • Taxi on April 25, 2012, 2:28 am

        Imagine the outrage of Americans if during our Iraq occupation, two of the ugliest looking members of our congress posed with sadistic glee, sitting in a ‘confiscated’ Iraqi couch.

      • Kathleen on April 27, 2012, 9:37 am

        “sadistic glee” bingo

      • annie on April 25, 2012, 3:56 am

        We need to make this go viral somehow

        yeah, massive hasbara fail.

  20. ToivoS on April 24, 2012, 7:53 pm

    This is so reminiscent of 1948, it brings back fond memories I’m sure. Soon after the Nakba, the Jews looted the abandoned Palestinian properties and kept the rugs, furniture other household items for themselves. This little detail about independence day is not openly celebrated but it is obvious that Israeli Jews have no inhibitions about looting Arab properties.

    • Blake on April 25, 2012, 12:20 am

      Or rubbing salt in the wounds whilst playing the victims.

      • Kathleen on April 27, 2012, 10:03 am

        nailed it

  21. Pamela Olson on April 24, 2012, 8:33 pm

    Um, sir? Sorry, I don’t mean to be rude or anything, but… [awkward pause…] Um… your Nazi is showing.

    • Taxi on April 25, 2012, 2:33 am

      LOL Pamela! But they actually intend to show their um… nazi thang! In fact it’s a competition to see who’s got the biggest naziooka on the planet.

  22. Fredblogs on April 24, 2012, 11:17 pm

    They were legally evicted by someone who proved to the court that he owned the land. So what’s the problem? Oh, I know, because the owner was Jewish he _must_ be lying and because the evicted family was Palestinian they _must_ be telling the truth.

    • Blake on April 25, 2012, 12:19 am

      Like “Israel” was legally established? Care to name that “law”it was ratified in that never went to the Security council?

      History will not be kind your comeuppance will be severe.

    • Shingo on April 25, 2012, 12:25 am

      They were legally evicted by someone who proved to the court that he owned the land. So what’s the problem?

      What court of law and according to what laws? You see Fred, these scum bags, that you adore, have no juridicition in this territory, so the court has no authority.

      Of course, there wouldn’t be a problem if every Jewish settler or Israeli who was living on land that lebonged to Palestinians had been evicted.

      Of course, the fact that these men are smiling at th

    • Dex on April 25, 2012, 12:44 am

      Fred, I will once again, as you this question: Why so loyal to Israel if you are born and raised in the U.S. Can you explain?

    • talknic on April 25, 2012, 2:14 am


      Say Fred, have you ever read UNSC Resolution 252 (1968) UNSC Resolution 267 (1969), UNSC Resolution 271 (1969), UNSC Resolution 298 (1971), UNSC Resolution 465 (1980), UNSC Resolution 476 (1980), UNSC Resolution 1860 (2009)

      “They were legally evicted by someone who proved to the court that he owned the land. ”

      Israeli civil law has no jurisdiction in “territories occupied” and never unoccupied and; the Military Law of occupation has no jurisdiction over civil matters in “territories occupied” and never unoccupied and; Jewish AND/OR non-Jewish Israelis have no right to be settling in “territories occupied” and never unoccupied.

      Furthermore the conflation of ‘real estate’ (owned by individuals, corporations, even state bodies and institutions) is not the same as ‘territory’ E.g., Japanese Government institutions and Japanese corporations and Japanese individuals own ‘real estate’ in Australia. The Japanese have no rights over any Australian ‘territory’.

      ‘Territory’ belongs to all its LEGAL inhabitants, whether they own ‘real estate’, rent ‘real estate’, lease ‘real estate’ or are ‘real estateless’ bums living under a bridge.

      I know you have zero interest in the above, however, please move to the next point in your list of bullsh*te so I can show folks how empty your arguments are

    • talknic on April 25, 2012, 2:30 am

      Fred desperately pushes forward a legless little strawman, struggling to get to it’s non existent feet, while attempting to point a non existent finger on a non existent hand at a non existent event

      “Oh, I know, because the owner was Jewish he _must_ be lying and because the evicted family was Palestinian they _must_ be telling the truth.”

      If you say so Fred… no one else has

      • talknic on April 25, 2012, 5:43 am

        “Perfectly good sofa. It would have looked nice in a small tent”

        “Yes, typical of the Palestinians to miss out on the opportunity to love their sofa more than they hate us”

    • Rizla on April 25, 2012, 2:35 am

      You’re missing the point, “Fredblogs” (great name! It sounds so, how shall I say, “fly-over”, middle American, quaint, even! I believe you are really a dispassionate observer with no axe to grind! Not!). Oh, I’m so sure that you know who’s lying and who isn’t. The bulk of comments on this not-minute thread are about the disgusting, anti-human arrogance of a) the Israeli system that took someone’s house away, b) the two jerks on the couch. Please consult your Hasbara handbook for details on more ad hominem attacks on the family who lost their house. A lot of gentiles are getting a teeny bit sick of your repetitive routine. I’m new here (first post!)… Please explain to me how this picture of Knesset members celebrating on an evicted Palestinian family’s sofa is anything less than disgusting. Thank you.

      • annie on April 25, 2012, 3:53 am

        hey welcome first time commenter rizla!


    • Walid on April 25, 2012, 2:47 am

      Yes, Fred, the evicted family was most probably telling the truth and what Israelis did was nothing new; here’s a bit more on it and how the thievery started back in 48 from Electronic Intifada that describes the theft in Jaffa:

      “The largest armed robbery of the 20th century

      After expelling most of Jaffa’s residents, militarily occupying the city and ghettoizing the remaining original inhabitants, Israeli authorities passed the Absentee Property Law (1950) through which it seized the property of all Palestinians who were not in possession of their immovable properties after the Nakba. Through the implementation of this unjust law, the state of Israel sent its operatives to all corners of the land, surveying the properties left behind by the expelled refugees, the internally displaced Palestinians banned from returning to their lands, and those relocated to the ghettos of Palestine’s cities. Title to these lands, buildings, homes, factories, farms and religious sites were then transferred to the state’s “Custodian of Absentee Property.” This is how the Palestinians of Jaffa, the refugees and the ghettoized, had their properties “legally” stolen by the State of Israel.

      In the interviews conducted for our research, we heard dozens of stories from Nakba survivors telling us about how their homes, often just meters away from the ghetto, were seized, and how they could do nothing about it. Many told us stories of how their homes were given to, or simply taken by, new Jewish immigrants, and how they would try to convince the new residents of their homes to give them back some of their furniture, or clothes, or documents, or photographs. In some of these cases, the house’s new resident would give back some of the items, in most of the cases the response was to consider the original Palestinian owner an intruder, and to call the police or report him to the military commander. Former residents of the al-Manshiyya neighborhood, one of the city’s wealthier areas before the Nakba, described the sorrow they felt as they walked past their old houses, and the pain of seeing what remained of the neighborhood demolished to be replaced by a public recreation area.

      Some of the most difficult stories are those of the Palestinian farmers and peasants from the villages of the Jaffa district. They describe how they were forced off of their land, how they managed to stay in Palestine, how the Israeli government handed their land over to Jewish settlers, and how these settlers then hired the same Palestinian farmers to work on their own land as day laborers exploited for the personal profit of the Jewish settler off the produce of the land that Palestinians had cultivated for generations. In fact, after their properties and enterprises were seized or shut down, the vast majority of the Jaffa Palestinians who remained became cheap labor for Jewish employers. Their employment was contingent on their “loyalty” to the new state. And so it was that the people who ran the economic hub of Palestine before 1948, became its orphans feigning loyalty to the ones who orphaned them in order to feed their own children.”

    • Erasmus on April 25, 2012, 2:53 am

      Re Fredblogs “Legal eviction”…
      Honestly, i was about to comment this Fredblogs’ comment from the bottom of my heart…….. However, those may not have passed the MW editors’ scrutiny because they may not have lived up to the established comment-policy here.

      Mr. Fredblogs: What “legalities ” or “illegalities” concretely means in the Israeli context everybody can indeed wonder about and “admire” from the blatant manipulations and the twisting practice of the juridical professionals and the Israeli Court system rulings.
      The lawyers, attorneys and judges (barring any rare and praiseworthy exceptions) have degenerated over the decades and especially during the last 3 years onslaught by the Jewish Nationalist Netanyahu Government to such an extent that makes any normal human being shudder.
      The “only democracy in the ME” even does not shy away even from a total disregard and ignoring of even (repeated) Supreme Court rulings. The historic and more so current MIGRON- and “outpost-legalities” and manoeuvres of Talmudic legal (dis-)ingenuity of splitting hairs are ample proof of what Israeli legal standards have come to: ROCK BOTTOM. Not to speak about international law which does not count anyway, as a matter of course; that is only for the goyims.

      And if none of the many “legal” traditions at hand serves the purpose of continued ethnic cleansing, evictions of Palestinian families, house demolitions, etc……,whether in East Jerusalem, Hebron, the Negev or anywhere else in the WB, that is neither the existing Israeli law codex, nor the Ottoman, nor the one of British Mandate, nor the Jordanian;

      And if the Courts or Supreme Court do not play by the “rules” they are supposed to and live up to the expectations of the Jewish Eretz Israel colonizers,
      then the Knesset “legislators” and/or specially established NTY-Ministerial settler committees come up with new bills and laws to legalize the illegal – of course also retroactively- and / or find some other “temporary!” solutions , deferring the implementation of the law for yet another couple of years or until the Messiah will come: ad calendas Graecas.
      In short the entire Israeli “legality”& “legitimacy-industry is a THOROUGH SHAM!
      That much, Mr. Fredblogs, wrt to “legal” eviction.

    • justicewillprevail on April 25, 2012, 3:06 am

      Ah yes, those bastions of truth and independence the Israeli courts. Pull the other one.

    • tree on April 25, 2012, 3:46 am

      Fredblogs, despite your attempt to paint the evicters as victims, this kind of land fraud has a long history in Israel. It has nothing to do with the “purported” owner being Jewish, except in so far as Israel, as a Jewish ethnocracy, discriminatively favors Jews over non-Jews, and particularly Israeli Jews over the occupied Palestinians of East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

      Ignoring for the moment the massive land theft that Israel executed in 1948 and the following years from its own Palestinian citizens as well as the ethnically cleansed Palestinians, and also ignoring the land theft associated with the 1967 occupation, there have been numerous articles in Israeli papers and elsewhere documenting the land fraud in the last several years. Fraud and forgery of this type are rampant, and Israeli government officials have been directly involved, or turned a blind eye. And since Aryeh King has already been implicated in this kind of activity, it seems entirely reasonable to assume that its likely he’s at it again. Big pockets, unsurprisingly, have been able to prevail over poor Palestinians with inadequate access to Israeli courts.

      “Israel’s Ulpana Neighborhood is Built on Years of Land Theft and Forgery”

      “Ring Suspected of Trading in Stolen Palestinian Land”

      “This land is your land, this land is my land
      Jewish settlement organizations, criminal Palestinian elements, the Israel Border Police, the attorney general, the Interior Ministry – all have a role in the complex land-confiscation drama being played out in East Jerusalem these days. The so-called `state land’ in question is actually property belonging to Palestinians in the West Bank.”

      “Settler Land Scam Results in injury of 11 Palestinian civilians”

      “Land deals from beyond the grave”

      “Company that bought Hebron house already in fraud probe”

      “Civil Administration officials indicted in West Bank land steal”

      “Murky Dealings over Migron”

      “Police suspect bills of land sale at West Bank outpost were forged”

      “Police probing rightist MK over fake West Bank outpost deal”

      “Court rules settler, not Palestinian, can work field”

      “In West Bank,buying land isn’t always what it seems”
      “Having built their homes on privately owned Palestinian lands, residents of the outposts employ subterfuge to camouflage their nonexistent land purchases.”

      • Fredblogs on April 25, 2012, 5:51 am

        Ok, on this one I’ll give in. Sounds suspicious. Still, there has to be some way of dealing with land issues, given the number of people, Arabs and Jews both who, according to your articles are forging documents. How is a court to know whether the particular Arabs on the land at the moment have any more real claim to the land than the Arabs who(according to the documents) sold it to the Jews.

      • talknic on April 25, 2012, 8:50 pm

        “Ok, on this one I’ll give in.”

        OK …. but then you immediately d o n ‘ t . The well trained Ziobot kicks in and attempts to make excuses for the court

        “there has to be some way of dealing with land issues”

        Indeed, it is written into the Laws of War, the GC’s the UN Charter and accepted as Customary International Law, all of which Israel has ignored for the last 63 years. The laws and courts of the occupied apply to civil matters. ‘real estate’ ownership is a civil matter.

        “How is a court to know whether the particular Arabs on the land at the moment have any more real claim to the land than the Arabs who(according to the documents) sold it to the Jews”

        The first processes of a court is to determine whether it has jurisdiction over any matter brought before it.

        According to the Laws of War, the GC’s the UN Charter and Customary International Law, the civil courts of the Occupying Powerhave no legal jurisdiction in “territories occupied”. The court should know this by reading the hundreds of USNC Resolutions against Israel’s illegal activities over the last half century or more.

        Who, in their right mind, would trust a court that claims jurisdiction over a matter it has no legal right to preside over?

    • CloakAndDagger on April 25, 2012, 4:53 pm

      They were legally evicted by someone who proved to the court that he owned the land

      At the risk of falling into the zionist trap of invoking ‘Hitler’, most of the things he did were also ‘legal’ according to German law (and ‘war crimes’ were not laws pre-WW2).

  23. rchambers587 on April 25, 2012, 12:40 am

    I find this so offensive. I am going to write my Congresswoman and ask if she has seen what our US dollars have bought, a Palestinian sofa.
    There needs to be a movement in America to educate the people of this crime.

  24. Dagon on April 25, 2012, 2:35 am

    Proved jewish ownership?.Years back I bought few acers around Nazareth.I used to call my mom often and jokingly ask her if the land is still ours or is it ‘gone’,you know mom,confiscated,stollen,expropriated.few years later we spent $5000 to reclame it from theives using forged documents,signatures,and dead lawyers offices who SOLD the land to a non suspecting buyer.We found out about the theft when the Israeli authorities sent us a Tax bill .Forging ducuments,to sell lands . homes and property from under the lawfull owner is very prevalent and common.It is a SICK place.

  25. piotr on April 25, 2012, 9:34 am

    One aspect of the situation is that there are fascists in every society, and the question is what is being done about them.

    Hopefully, they should operate somewhere on the margin and be shunned by the “responsible politicians”. But there is a continuum between having regard for human rights and avoiding “red meat” and what mainstream politicians do. In Europe fascists are mostly in separate parties that are shunned. In USA this is pretty complex, mongering of fear, war, draconian penalties, vilification of some immigrant groups is definitely seeping into mainstream parties.

    In Zionist context, the guys basking in the glory of conquest while sitting on their war trophy are definitely fascistic. Just to make the most recent cite, Ben-Ari notified the press that he had an orgasm (= spasm of pleasure) watching Col. Eisner applying “heavy hand” to protesters. As opposed to guys like Netanyahu and Lieberman who at least know not to tell the press how much they enjoyed it. And there is absolutely no shunning and no separation in Zionism from the real-clear fascism. Ben-Ari has cordial cooperation with coalition members, and on commentariat, you can proceed from blood-thirsty Rachel Abrams to Caroline Glick to Pamela Geller etc. to so-called “moderates” and all seem to be one big happy family.

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