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“Hello friend of Israel,” begins a gleeful and gray-haired Pat Boone in an infomercial for the Holy Land Dream Company (HLDC). Boone’s cue follows the hook to his 1960’s hit Exodus: “This land is mine. God gave this land to me.”

At the time Boone wrote the lyrics, he was describing Jewish émigrés going to Mandate Palestine to join the ranks of Zionist militias. But today the golden-era pop star has recast the tune. No longer is it a Zionist anthem but a Christian benediction encouraging evangelicals in Texas to purchase land in Israel.  The “me” in “God gave this land to me” has shifted from an imagined Jewish protagonist to an American dispensationalist Christian whose land acquisition will speed up the arrival of the end of days.

The advertisement continues, “I wrote those words to Exodus and I’ve often wished that I could actually own a piece of the holy land. Now I do and you can too.”

Back in 2011 when Boone signed on as the spokesman and Exodus became the theme song for the HLDC, the one-square-foot plots of land between the Sea of Galilee and Nazareth sold for $110. Initially a portion of the proceeds went to Israeli medical relief charities and the Jewish National Fund. But now, Boone’s gift-the-holy-land project is being used as a fundraiser for an evangelical Christian broadcasting network with offices in Texas and Jerusalem. The plots are now sold for $1200 as part of a donation drive for the network’s ministry.

The infomercial airs on Daystar TV, an organization that made headlines earlier this year in Israel when they mounted a CCTV camera overlooking the Mount of Olives. According to Christian doctrine the messiah is prophesized to return to earth via this hill, and Daystar already has a stream running ready to capture the second coming on live television. Additionally, Daystar took the Israeli network HOT to court after the carrier dropped the Christian broadcaster because of viewer complaints that said the programming promoted Jewish conversion to evangelical Christianity. The uproar was over Daystar’s New Testament segments in Hebrew.

In the U.S. Daystar is renowned as a flagship televangelist broadcasting channel with an estimated net worth over $200 million. The station airs Christian programs, including the national summits for Christians United for Israel, and organization that fundraises to pay for Jewish immigration to Israel. The station was founded by leading born again Christians Marcus and Joni Lamb.

In 2011 Daystar was again embroiled in scandal with a sexual harassment lawsuit and charges made by three employees who said they suffered demotions and abuse from the Lambs after gaining knowledge of Marcus Lamb’s extramarital affair. One Daystar employee reported Joni Lamb’s father forced her to engage in what he called “quiet time,” where the Christian leader would embrace the employee, request she sit on his lap, and ask her to pretend he was her husband. The Lambs, however, maintained that the accusations were baseless and aimed at profiting off of the couple’s marital woes.

I spoke to Daystar’s Dallas office and they explained the plots were used in a pledge drive this past summer. Then I called the cellphone number listed on HLDC’s website, where an Israeli dealer said “you cannot do anything with your plot.” He affirmed that the land for sale was private property, could not be built on, and that everything is legal, including the ownership of plots by foreigners.

“They are about 20 to 30 meters from a road,” he continued, emphasizing that “everything is legal. It’s all legal.” I asked him if I purchased a plot, could I later bequeath it to a relative after my death. He said I could, but there would be a transaction fee involved.

After the plots are purchased, HLDC sends customers a certified deed with the exact longitude and latitude so clients can GPS their own piece of the holy land. Pat Boone bought one for himself and one for each of his immediate family members. The deeds are designed to resemble degrees and nicely framed. Daystar Dallas even said they could make special arrangements to personalize a gifted plot’s title.

There is, however, the question of how the Israeli businessmen came into ownership of the territory that is now being sold from Texas. The HLDC’s website states they purchased the plots in 2009. Still it is nearly unheard of for Jewish Israelis to own land in Israel, and even stranger for non-nationals. Like China, Israel has a system of state-owned land where individuals can purchase a home with a lease from the government for the soil it is built on for 50 or 100 years. There is one exception though. Palestinian citizens of Israel own deeds to the land in all of the state’s Arab villages. This is because after the founding of the state in 1948, the new government nationalized all Jewish-owned deeds inside of the armistice line and cancelled outstanding debts owed on the titles. Palestinian-Israelis then became the only population left with private property (aside from the Jewish National Fund, which retains quasi-government powers).

Boone first met Asaf Har-Gil and Idan Deshe, the Israeli businessmen co-founders of the HLDC, while on a religious trip two years after the organization began operations. By happenstance the music sensation had recently found a bible passage about gentiles purchasing territory in the biblical land of Canaan. “I’d just read in Jeremiah 32 about his being instructed by God to buy a piece of land, get the title deed and have it attested,” wrote Boone last fall in his column for the Christian weekly WND. Boone took their encounter as an omen. He is from a messianic Christian background, meaning he considers himself to be part of the Jewish people, but among the righteous who accepted Jesus as the messiah. He is a devout dispensationalist; he thinks the end of days has started, proofed by the founding of the state of Israel and Obama’s election to the presidency.

Then last February Boone relaunched HLDC to American audiences at the Holocaust museum in Israel with Governor Mike Huckabee at his side. The singer presented the manager of Yad Vashem with the original Christmas card where he first jotted down the opening lines to Exodus in a moment of inspiration. “It was an amalgam of everything I believe coming together. This land is God’s covenant to his people, and it’s never going to change,” said Boone to the Jerusalem Post, marveling over the musical merger of Christianity and Zionism.

Promoting HLDC is not Boone’s first foray into evangelical infomercials. He was the inaugural spokesman for the International Christian Embassy of Jerusalem’s  (ICEJ) first infomercials that ran from 1993 to 1994. And today he still retains the title of ICEJ’s Christian Ambassador to Israel.

Outside of televangelism, Boone proselytizes on how American politics are also manifestations of the end of days through regular columns in the Christian press. He is opposed to the current negotiations between Israeli and Palestinians, likens Palestinians to foreign “settlers” of the holy land and lauds Obama for hurrying the process of the second coming:

Differing from virtually every previous U.S. president, Mr. Obama seems to accept the claims of the Palestinian leadership, even the violent Hamas and Hezbollah, that the land given by God and settled by Israelites 4,000 years ago now rightfully belongs, at least in large part, to random settlers who moved into the area only in the last 200 years. And though the Balfour Declaration and the United Nations – and most civilized society the world over – have acknowledged and verified Israel’s claim to their historic homeland, this president is doing everything he can to pressure Israel’s leaders to cave in to the demands of the Muslim settlers.

And Boone is also a birther:

This man spent his childhood in Indonesia and lived as a Muslim. Right through his teens and his three college experiences, as he recounted in his autobiography, he sought out the companionship and mentoring of dissidents and even Marxist teachers. As he began his ascent in politics and ‘community organizing,’ he joined a liberal church whose angry leader, Jeremiah Wright, is still pastor emeritus. Obama says he became a Christian there, but he apparently never read the biblical history of the Jews and God’s eternal commitment to them of the tiny land that includes Jerusalem, the Holy City He calls Mount Zion. And he seems unaware of God’s declaration to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob: ‘I will bless those that bless you – and I will curse those who curse you.’

Boone’s Israel land sale reflects the growing movement of hard-line evangelical Christians that view the state of Israel as biblical prophecy. Some dispensationalists even go as far as paying for aliyah services, or Jewish immigration to Israel in hopes of speeding up the rapture. But Boone’s project is one jump further on the dialectic. He’s encouraging the next phase in the time line, which is the transfer of Jewish control of the holy land to Christian domination.

Allison Deger

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  1. MRW on November 1, 2013, 9:53 am

    Jesus, is he still alive?

    • Linda J on November 1, 2013, 10:19 am

      Not really.

    • FreddyV on November 1, 2013, 12:52 pm

      Interestingly, I wonder how Mr Boone can square this with his Bible:

      Leviticus 25:23:

      ‘The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are strangers and sojourners with Me. 24 And in all the land of your possession you shall grant redemption of the land.’

      • W.Jones on November 1, 2013, 10:05 pm

        Good quote.

  2. MHughes976 on November 1, 2013, 10:15 am

    Jesus? He is very much alive, MRW. I mention that fact every week in church.

    • piotr on November 1, 2013, 7:21 pm

      You would need to define “alive”. After all, your soul exists after your death when that majority of us would think that you are dead. Personally, I am confused.

      • W.Jones on November 1, 2013, 9:57 pm

        Please explain what you mean by saying “your soul exists after your death”, brother Peter.

      • MRW on November 2, 2013, 7:26 am

        Soul is not age-dependent, W.Jones.

      • xanadou on November 1, 2013, 11:23 pm

        Carl Sagan:

        “The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard, who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by ‘God,’ one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying… it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.”

        “The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there’s little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.”

        Amen to that.

      • Kathleen on November 2, 2013, 11:52 pm

        Grew up Catholic, 12 years of their schools, prayers at the beginning of day at the end of school day, before and after every class, catechism classes every day, priest lived across the street, nuns across the alley. After all that early on I was with George Carlin “I tried to believe” Not trying to offend anyone’s belief system…but this is about where I am at . And ok with a mystery.

        Carlin on religion and god

      • RoHa on November 2, 2013, 2:23 am

        I agree, piotr. We don’t actually know what happens to consciousness/self/soul after death*, but we do know that when we say someone or something is “alive” we mean that the consciousness/self/soul is attached to/associated with/realised in a physical body.

        Thus, to say that Jesus is alive implies that his consciousness,etc., is attached to,etc., a physical body. The nature and location of this body will have to be a matter of fruitless speculation.

        If the theologians do not want to accept that implication then they should spell out the special meaning of the word “alive” that they are using.

        (*Some very involuted philosophical arguments and such evidence as there is incline me to believe it gets born again in another body.)

      • eljay on November 2, 2013, 8:49 am

        >> The nature and location of this body will have to be a matter of fruitless speculation.

        It’s in Catholic churches every week, where it is consumed by the faithful. I know, because I used to be one of ’em. The Spanish white wine blood of Christ that was served with his body was particularly tasty.

      • MHughes976 on November 2, 2013, 4:48 pm

        ‘He rose from the dead and ascended into heaven, his body being received into a cloud’ – well, I don’t demand that anyone else believe that and I don’t question that it is quite hard to believe. However I meant to imply that though in my belief Jesus lives in heaven he does not, also in my belief, live on in the ideas of all his proclaimed followers, such as the Christian Zionists and Mr. Boone. It is indeed said in the Bible that God forbids cursing Jews, but reproving Jewish people for their misdeeds is as Biblical as apple pie is American.

      • RoHa on November 2, 2013, 11:01 pm

        So Jesus has a physical body in heaven. (This implies that heaven is a space-time continuum similar to ours. If it is not part of this universe, then it would constitute another universe. How does one move a body from this universe to the other one?)

        Fair enough, but when the rest of us go to heaven we are deemed to be dead. How is Jesus alive?

      • miriam6 on November 3, 2013, 6:19 am

        [email protected];

        Cos his MESSAGE lives on dude.
        In that sense he is alive I imagine.

      • RoHa on November 4, 2013, 6:49 pm

        “Cos his MESSAGE lives on dude.
        In that sense he is alive I imagine.”

        In that sense, Morihei Ueshiba is still alive. We practice his teachings in every Aikido dojo. But I’m pretty sure that Christians would not agree that Ueshiba is alive in heaven in the same way as Jesus.

      • lysias on November 4, 2013, 6:52 pm

        Not a belief confined to religions.

        Ленин жил, Ленин живёт, Ленин будет жить!

      • miriam6 on November 5, 2013, 5:34 am

        [email protected]:

        Not a belief confined to religions.

        Well Lenin did make a huge impact on history for the better I think – rather than being a passive bystander and allowing other forces to shape the world instead.
        You could say the same thing about other non religious figures as well as the late great Lenin.
        Actors like James Dean..
        The whole idea of unfulfilled promise – the tragedy of an unavoidable collision between youth and death.
        I would imagine that was one reason folk remembered Jesus was because he allegedly died young ( ish ).
        In the case of someone whose message could have saved humanity it would be particularly poignant I suppose.
        Even if that wish is rather naïve – given humanity’s flaws. Though I am not talking in terms of ‘original sin’ because I don’t believe that stuff.

  3. lysias on November 1, 2013, 10:36 am

    Israel allows non-Jewish foreigners to acquire land in Israel?

  4. Linda J on November 1, 2013, 10:38 am

    Rats! Now I have that song stuck in my head. Thanks a lot.

    • W.Jones on November 1, 2013, 10:09 pm

      Could be worse. How about an anti-Nazi Pole who is over 80, was forcibly conscripted to work for the Reich, and keeps wanting to hear “Drei Lilien”?

      Perhaps even Piotr may know some folks like that. But anyway yes you can get a song in your head.

  5. flyod on November 1, 2013, 10:40 am

    good report. can’t adelson get this has been a job at one of his casinos?

  6. W.Jones on November 1, 2013, 10:42 am

    Isn’t C.Z.s’ purchase of land in the Holy Land “anti-Zionist”? The whole idea of the C.Z. movement is that the land is for one group, which typically is not the C.Z.s, unless we are talking about “Messianic” Christians. For C.Z.s to buy a piece of that land would mean taking that piece away from that group.

    Granted, [Boone] is from a messianic Christian background, meaning he considers himself to be part of the Jewish people, but among the righteous who accepted Jesus as the messiah.
    But much of his audience I suppose will not be.

    Boon writes about Obama:
    he seems unaware of God’s declaration to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob: ‘I will bless those that bless you – and I will curse those who curse you.’
    In Galatians 3-4, Paul considers Christians to be Abrahams’ descendants and children of his promises.

    • MRW on November 1, 2013, 10:50 am

      I thought God said it to Abraham. None of the tribe had shown up yet.

      • W.Jones on November 1, 2013, 4:29 pm

        P.Boone repeats the kind of common claim made by C.Z.s:

        [Obama] seems unaware of God’s declaration to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob: ‘I will bless those that bless you…”

        Please see Galatians 3:7-9, MRW:

        [I]t is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.
        And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”
        So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

        Paul is saying that “gentile” believers in “the gospel” are Abraham’s children too and get the blessings God promised to them. This is prophesied by the ancient Scriptures that Christianity and Judaism share.

        Please remember that the next time you hear these kinds of claims.

      • MRW on November 2, 2013, 9:16 am


        I defer to your far greater wisdom on this. I never read the Bible. When they were teaching it in school it was in French, and I was just starting French in the immersion program. I know shit from shinola about the Bible, and I get the bends today if I try.

  7. W.Jones on November 1, 2013, 10:47 am


    Your article was good reporting and insightful. But I disagree when you write:

    Boone’s project is one jump further on the dialectic. He’s encouraging the next phase in the time line, which is the _transfer_ of Jewish control of the holy land to Christian domination.

    In the C.Z. thinking, the land belongs to the people no matter what. (Actually some scholars say it was only a conditional “lease” from God). So in CZ thinking, there is no next phase to transfer it out of their possession. In C.Z. thinking, even if an apocalyptic “domination” and conversion occurs, the people would not lose their identity or ownership, but merely become Messianic, like he himself is.

    • FreddyV on November 1, 2013, 11:42 am


      Christian Zionism demands that when the Great Tribulation occurs, some Jews will convert to Christianity, while the rest perish during ‘The Time Of Jacob’s Trouble’.

      Christian Zionism is actually completely antisemitic when you follow it through, but few people do and those that do tend to play this aspect of wholesale slaughter of the nation of Israel down.

      • W.Jones on November 1, 2013, 4:49 pm


        Does what you are saying contradict what I wrote? Also, I am not sure how many C.Z.s have that particular apocalyptic thinking, which is not uncommon among them either.

      • FreddyV on November 2, 2013, 8:45 am


        Apologies if my tone appeared contradictory to your comment. Reading back, I’m not really sure of the point I was making apart from reinforcing your comment and adding some extra gravitas.

        From my experience, Many CZ’s don’t want to follow their theology through, preferring to leave the eschatology (end times teaching) alone. Its generally the hard line CZ’s who preach it, but even then, they use cushioning words like ‘rapture’, ‘tribulation’ and terms like ‘The Time Of Jacob’s Trouble’ to lighten their horrible interpretation of scripture to their congregations.

        Another habit of CZ’s is to refuse to be drawn into the I/P conflict as it exists today. The reason is they cannot square it with the teachings of Christ. CZ’s draw from the horrors and bloodshed of the Old Testament of the Christian Bible instead of interpreting the Old in light of the New Testament.

        As an ex CZ, once I started hearing about I/P, I had to go back to the Bible and found supporting Israel’s behaviour at complete odds with scripture. I then started looking at what the future held according to this teaching. I wish more CZ’s would take a critical look at what they’re taught, but its a tough ideology to break.

      • W.Jones on November 2, 2013, 9:58 am

        In fact, Freddy, what you said and the tone did not contradict my comment. Also, what you said is correct.

        Also it was interesting when you said: “As an ex CZ, once I started hearing about I/P, I had to go back to the Bible and found supporting Israel’s behaviour at complete odds with scripture. I then started looking at what the future held according to this teaching.”

        In other words, the CZ movement says to support the State’s actions, and you did not find those actions to be what Scripture said to do. So at that point you have to choose what is more important for you.

        So like you said: “Another habit of CZ’s is to refuse to be drawn into the I/P conflict as it exists today.” They would prefer to deny that the State is mistreating the conquered.
        But look at it this way: States make big mistakes sometimes, and the Bible makes it clear that this applies to the nation as well. (eg. Is.59).

        The main idea in C.Z. thinking is that Israel in Old Testament times is the same as in New Testament times. However, Paul considers Christians to be spiritual Israelites, as he tells the gentile Christians at Philippi: “my brethren, rejoice in the Lord… we are the circumcision, who in spirit serve God; and glory in Christ Jesus, not having confidence in the flesh.” (Phil 3:3)

      • FreddyV on November 2, 2013, 10:52 am


        I was actually making a pro Israel argument for the Mavi Marmara attack on a forum I used to frequent and was about to declare myself as a CZ, when I thought it would be a good idea to Google the definition of Christian Zionism. I found this site:

        I’d never researched the conflict and was encouraged to view Israel as God’s Chosen People and their return to the land as a prophetic sign of the coming ‘last days’. As a result, I feel a tremendous guilt, not only because of the prejudices of my previous beliefs, but also as I learned, Great Britain has to take a fair chunk of blame for the current situation. I’m British.

        I noticed you touched on Isaiah 59. Interestingly, Paul quotes this in one of the more contentious of his writings. Romans 11. Verse 26 reads:

        ‘And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:’

        Few people go to the scripture Paul is quoting. Isaiah 59:20:

        ‘And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.’

        Paul’s ‘all Israel’ is referring to converts to Christianity. When I first searched that out, it was a mind blower. There’s a whole bunch of Christ based references in the N.T. which CZ’s happily gloss over.

        Ephesians 2 is an indictment of the entire Dispensational / Premillenial movement.

      • Walid on November 2, 2013, 11:19 am

        “as he tells the gentile Christians at Philippi: “my brethren, rejoice in the Lord… we are the circumcision…”

        Easy for him to say, he flipped the physical circumcision into a spiritual one; he was one of the main proponents of eliminating circumcision all together to help boost the recruitment within a people deeply imbued in a Hellenistic culture that was repulsed by the concept of circumcision. In fact, the Early Christian Council of Jerusalem did not include religious male circumcision as a requirement for new gentile converts. This became known as the “Apostolic Decree”and is one of the first acts differentiating early Christianity from Judaism. This decision to remove the compulsory circumcision was one of the few times Paul and Peter agreed on something. The problem with the recruitment at the time was that new converts had to first begin by converting to Judaism before being taken in as new Christians. Blowing away the circumcision aspect short-circuited the need to pass by the Judaism phase and made the task of recruiting that much easier. In another of his epistles, this time to the Galatians, he actually reprimanded those that remained adamant in preserving the Abrahamic covenant. Paul’s major drive was to distance the new religion from that of the Jews.

      • W.Jones on November 3, 2013, 4:04 pm

        I agree with part of what you say, so some of what I don’t I will mention here:
        Easy for him to say, he flipped the physical circumcision into a spiritual one; he was one of the main proponents of eliminating circumcision all together
        The part after the ; is wrong or doubtful. He performed a circumcision on Timothy. Also, he wrote that people who were circumcised should stay circumcised and those uncircumcised should do the same. I could see him agreeing with the Jerusalem Council’s decision that did not change whether Jews would keep circumcision.

        This has to be a big overstatement: “This decision to remove the compulsory circumcision was one of the few times Paul and Peter agreed on something.” Naturally, they were part of the same religion, and Paul respected Peter as one of the pillars of the Church, so how can it be only a few times they agreed on anything?

        This is also wrong: “Paul’s major drive was to distance the new religion from that of the Jews.” Paul wrote and emphasized that he was of the Tribe of Benjamin and could boast of fleshly status in the circumcision as much as anyone, and became a Hebrew to the Hebrews. Granted, he wanted to distance it from nonChristian Judaism.

      • W.Jones on November 4, 2013, 4:21 pm

        Thanks for sharing.

      • Walid on November 2, 2013, 10:02 am

        ” … but few people do …”

        Freddy, more Israelis and other Jews know of the game being played by the C-Z than you think. They’re going along with the game because it comes with hundreds of millions of dollars in annual cash grants that go toward the Zionists’ settlement enterprise and this is in addition to the political clout the 40 million or so American fundamentalists excercise over the US government to favour Israel. Israelis knowing all too well that these goodies are coming their way because of something written 1800 years ago by someone high on something on the island of Patmos is too good to let slip out of their hands. Israelis may be wicked, but they are not stupid.

        In short, the C-Z think they are pulling a fast one on the Jews that they are fattening for the final slaughter, and the Jew are pulling a fast one on the C-Z by not letting on that they know what’s behind all the generosities coming their way.They are truly birds of a feather that deserve each other.

      • FreddyV on November 2, 2013, 11:09 am


        You’re right on the whole game of ‘don’t let them know that we know’ that both parties are playing. The thing I find completely nuts is that CZ’s actually reject the indigenous Christians there and claim that they are not true followers of Christ.

        On the book of Revelation and John Patmos, I disagree. If you relate it to the events of AD70, you’ll find it wasn’t a prophetic writing in the sense of some mythological far flung future event. It was actually a warning of what was going to happen in the near future. The early date estimates of writing place it in AD67. When you look at the first chapters, it warns of events ‘soon to task place’ and things being ‘at hand’. It also addresses churches in the day. Basically it was speaking about the impending fall of Jerusalem.

        Just an aside: To give you an idea on how laughable the whole rapture thing is, Have a look at this:

        There’s a guy who has started a business which offers a collection and care of pets in the event of The Rapture. Basically, this guy takes a payment which guarantees that he will collect and care for your pet should Jesus return and take you up to heaven. His services are non refundable. Ha! I wish I’d thought of that!

  8. DICKERSON3870 on November 1, 2013, 10:56 am

    RE: “Mr. Obama seems to accept the claims of the Palestinian leadership . . . that the land given by God and settled by Israelites 4,000 years ago now rightfully belongs, at least in large part, to random settlers who moved into the area only in the last 200 years.” ~ Pat Boone

    MY COMMENT: Apparently Pat Boone is a devotee of Joan Peters. Hell, it wouldn’t surprise me if he IS Joan Peters. Check out this getup! ! !
    I’ll take Anita Bryant any day!

  9. miriam6 on November 1, 2013, 11:21 am

    Pat Boone’s lunacy supports ‘Gorgeous’ George Galloway’s contention that the most ardent and numerous supporters of Zionism in America are actually evangelical Christians.

    • Woody Tanaka on November 1, 2013, 11:41 am

      I don’t know about ardent, but evangelical Christians are without doubt the most numerous group among the zionists in the USA. They are one of the bigger problems in correcting the USA’s shameful record regarding the Palestinian issue.

    • FreddyV on November 1, 2013, 11:51 am

      Exactly miriam6.

      I wish there was more exposure to it here to balance out the ‘Jewish Navel Gazing In The Diaspora’ posts.

      CZ’s influence has been the key player in Israel’s unwillingness to make serious inroads to peace.

      You can’t really blame Israel’s leaders when you have millions of very stupid people who believe God has charged them with the task of getting Israel’s back until Jesus sweeps them up to heaven.

      • annie on November 1, 2013, 12:03 pm

        You can’t really blame Israel’s leaders when you have millions of very stupid people who believe God has charged them with the task of getting Israel’s back until Jesus sweeps them up to heaven.

        ahhh, when you follow the trajectory of how a huge chunk of the american christian community turned ardent zionists one can certainly blame israeli leaders for that. it was a very deliberate focus.

      • FreddyV on November 1, 2013, 12:33 pm

        Hey Annie,

        Amazingly, Christian Zionism as a focused organised movement actually pre dates Herzl’s Jewish Zionist movement by some 50 years. Sure, there has been the cry of ‘next year in Jerusalem’ for eons, but it was John Nelson Darby and the Powerscourt Conference that started looking at the reality of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

        From the Jewish perspective, you are right in that the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 started all the CZ rapture crazies setting their prophetic clocks and the Israelis encouraging this. I also think the CZ thing rubbed off on Israelis making them more right wing religious.

      • Kathleen on November 1, 2013, 2:37 pm


      • Walid on November 1, 2013, 2:42 pm

        “Christian Zionism as a focused organised movement actually pre dates Herzl’s Jewish Zionist movement by some 50 years.”

        FreddyV, Darby gave it a specific form but the movement itself had started long before Darby. The story about the return had started with the Anglo-Saxon Puritans in the 16th cent. that introduced the Jewish role in the fulfilment of the prophecies to bring about the end times, which was central to the Protestant millenarists.

        The Jews themselves got into the game in the 17th cent. with Sabbatai Zevi claiming to be the messiah calling for a return to Jerusalem until the Ottomans caught up with him in 1665 and he converted to Islam and many of his followers were dispersed or excommunicated by the Orthodox Jews. In 1754 Jacob Franks came on the scene with the same claim and objective and in time when things got too hot for him, he too converted into the safety of Catholicism and his followers were dispersed or returned to Orthodox Judaism.

        In 1799 Bonaparte got on the bandwagon of returning the Jews to Jerusalem during his Egypt and Palestine expeditions. In April 1799, Bonaparte published a proclamation inviting all the Jews of Asia and Africa to join his forces in restoring the old Jerusalem. 2 months later, another published report claimed that Bonaparte was about to win over the Ottomans to give back Jerusalem to the Jews and for whom he was conquering Syria. Bonaparte was capitalizing on the witch hunts for the heretical Frankists in Europe and the prevailing apocalyptic mood after the French Revolution. Bonaparte had promised a Jewish republic in Palestine but his failure at the seige of Acre put an end to that dream.

        Then came Darby.

      • Allison Deger on November 1, 2013, 3:10 pm

        Walid, I don’t think we can say Christian Zionism pre-dates “Zionism.” It’s like how Hannah Arendt says we can’t use the word “anti-Semitism” to describe discrimination that took place before the concept and word was invented. So she says, Jewish discrimination 1000 years ago, yes was oppressive, but in a different grouping than “anti-Semitism.”

        I agree with her logic and I don’t think Christian Zionism can exits before or independent of Jewish-Zionism.

      • Walid on November 1, 2013, 3:37 pm

        Allison, if you are saying that Zionism is about the “next year in Jerusalem” which of course goes way back before everything else, you’d be right. The way we discuss Zionism here is about a nationalistic Jewish movement from the days of Herzl. As to Jewish nationalism, it’s been there all the time. The Christian Zionism (or whatever it was called at that time) of Puritan times predates the Zionism of Herzl. As it evolved, it went under different names such as millinarianism, dispensationalism, futurism, fundamentalism. You’re right about the misuse of the term “antisemitism”. It’s a bogus word used to replace the much simpler and more descriptively vile term “anti-Jewish”.

      • FreddyV on November 1, 2013, 4:06 pm

        Yes Walid, I agree with everything you’ve said, but from a purely theological perspective, it was Darby who directed a A to Z route through the Bible (actually more labyrinthine and erroneous than that) which he then sold to Americans. Until that, faith in Israel’s salvation (from a Christian perspective) was largely an unformed ‘feeling’ that God hadn’t forgotten His people based on readings of scriptures like Romans 11. Then came Cyrus Schofield’s Bible with notes promoting Zionism, but that’s another story.

        My point is that CZ found its form through Darby. I know many Christians who are ardently anti Zionist and against Darby and Schofield, but do hold to a belief that one day, the Jewish people will recognise Jesus Christ as Messiah.

        There’s a very interesting book called The Puritan Hope by Iain H Murray on the subject.

      • piotr on November 1, 2013, 7:42 pm

        There were really no witch hunts of Frankists, and their total number was in low tens of thousands, so clearly insufficient for any putative plans of Bonaparte.

        Frankists had a lot of troubles, because they were very clearly heretics in Judaism, and in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth they were under judicial rule of rabbis. So they were converting to Catholicism and Islam (under Turkish rule), but then they were heretic Catholics or Muslim. In a nutshell, beautiful rites like placing a topless maiden in the center of a circle as a symbol of Divine Wisdom and kissing her breasts were frown upon by all “Abrahamic religions”. I guess Frankists would have a lot of trouble even today in USA.

      • tombishop on November 1, 2013, 9:52 pm

        If you want to determine of Jewish Zionism predates Christian Zionism, it depends if you are speaking about religious Zionism or political Zionism. A return to Jerusalem has been part of the Jewish religion since the Babylonian captivity. Political Jewish Zionism on the other hand, is a late nineteenth, early 20th century development.

        What became Christian Zionism existed all through the 19th century as Millenarianism. See “The Roots of Fundamentalism: British and American Millenarianism 1800-1930”; Ernest R. Sandeen; The University of Chicago Press; 1970 from which the following notes are taken.

        Here is just one example that shows Christian Zionism predates political Jewish Zionism:

        An example is the evangelist Orno Gaebelin. During the 1890’s he set up an evangelism ministry among the Jews of New York’s East Side. He learned Yiddish and preached to large meetings of Jewish men on Saturday afternoons. He began publishing a Yiddish monthly newspaper and in 1894, established an English periodical, Our Hope, to publicize his work, to proclaim the immanent second advent of Christ, and to alert Gentiles to a “remarkable Zionist awakening among the Jewish population.” Restoration of the Jews to Israel was always a key part of millenarianism, but the fervor increased after Theodor Herzl’s first Zionist congress in Basel, Switzerland in 1897.

        Early in the 20th century Gaebelin began holding Bible conferences all over the East coast and began spreading the premillenialist message in the South.

        One of the most significant documents to come out of this movement was the Scofield Reference Bible. It took the Protestant Bible and combined an attractive format of typography, paragraphing, notes and cross references with the theology of Darbyite dispensationalism. All through the 20th century it was to have a powerful influence among millions who regularly read it unaware of the distinction between the ancient text and Scofield’s Christian Zionist interpretation in its footnotes.

        The inventor, C.I. Scofield (1843-1921) was raised in Tennessee and fought under Lee in the Civil War. He was a lawyer and Kansas legislator until his conversion to the premillenial cause in 1879. He became a minister in Dallas, Texas and Northfield, Massachusetts and laid the groundwork for Dallas Seminary where his teachings are still upheld.

        Even though Protestant Liberalism, with its openness to higher criticism, dominated, the triumph of a dispensationalist, premillenial world view among conservative Protestants was to have far reaching implications for American culture.”

      • Walid on November 2, 2013, 6:21 am

        “There were really no witch hunts of Frankists”

        Piotr, probably a wrong choice of the word “witch” which blew it out of proportion. Their numbers being insignificantly low, it was probably more of a rabbit hunt since the hunting was by other Jews..When Bonaparte was invading Palestine, it was at the time of the raging polemic against the Frankists in Eastern Europe. They had heard of the 2 declarations in the “Moniteur” by or about Bonaparte, but having been unsuccessful at getting copies of them, they proceeded to translate them into Hebrew since both were favourable to the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, an avid aspiration of the Frankists. The bogus Hebrew translation made the rounds for a while and had a limited following but was vehemently opposed by the religious authorities. The Hebrew translation resurfaced in a German publication in 1940.

        Full and long detailed essay on the history of Shabbateanism, of Shabtai Zvi (1626-1676), its founder and Jacob Frank (1726-1791) and his Frankists by Gershom Scholem:

    • Walid on November 1, 2013, 11:56 am

      “‘Gorgeous’ George Galloway’s ”

      You sound like a fan, Miriam; you’ll be happy to know that he’s got his own talk show on al-Mayadeen TV every fortnight.

      Small excerpt from one of his programs yelling at people in the audience. He’s in MEMRI’s crosshairs in this one worth watching to the end of its 6-minute duration.

      • miriam6 on November 1, 2013, 3:10 pm

        [email protected];

        Hi Walid – thanks for the marvellous clip of Galloway. I do not understand why MEMRI would be so interested in sharing this clip with the world because actually Galloway is saying sensible things in it – I suppose those with a Zionist bias would take against Galloway’s casting doubt on the ‘sincerity’ of Western support for the ‘rebels’ war to oust Assad.

        Here is Galloway again on Syria

        The latest bad news now about Syria is the re-emergence of polio in Syria. Apparently it is thought likely that the foreign fighter ‘rebels’ brought the disease into Syria – a perfect metaphor for the havoc and misery outsiders have wrought on Syria.

        Actually Walid – the gorgeous George soubriquet is one the media here in Britain bestowed upon Galloway in a somewhat ironic reflection on Galloway’s allegedly colourful ( ahem !) and prolific love life!
        I certainly admire Galloway’s oratory a great deal – also the fact that he is a working class lad made good ( his intelligence as a schoolboy earned him a place at grammar school in Scotland – no mean feat for the son of a trade unionist and an Irish Republican mother who worked as a cleaner ) and his general going against the grain of the modern greyness and banality of Western politics.
        It is a great shame that we do not have many more firecracker politicians like Galloway willing to challenge the dull middle ground political status quo.
        For five years starting in 2006 ( good timing also because he began his radio show in the wake of Israel’s assault on Lebanon) Galloway had a late night talk show on national commercial radio here in the UK which I used to listen to. You can find excerpts of that show on U tube – just look for George Galloway on ‘talkSPORT’.

        A school teacher friend of my father had a fantastic story about Galloway’s efforts during the late 1980’s to ensure that a young Iranian student remain in the UK long enough to complete her university degree – she was studying Medicine. Galloway was MP for the Glasgow Hillhead constituency at the same time as the Iranian girl was a sixth form pupil at Hillhead High School planning to attend uni. Galloway was one of the individuals who was instrumental in preventing her threatened deportation back to Iran from going ahead – in order that she could remain in the UK and continue her studies.

        I have a link here to a debate about the Arab Spring – At 20 minutes Karl Sharro and Rania Hafez begin speaking about the missed opportunity for real change in Lebanon that was the 2005 so – called Cedar Revolution in Lebanon. I think Karl Sharro and Rania Hafez are the most interesting speakers here.

      • Walid on November 2, 2013, 6:47 am

        Thanks for the background info, Miriam; the MEMRI thing was probably a reflex-of-the-trade thing. Other than for the bogus Farfour incident of a few years back, I found some interesting stuff on MEMRI about things Arabs had been doing that hadn’t been aware of.

      • OlegR on November 1, 2013, 4:20 pm

        What a charming human being.
        For a moment i thought the guy that walked out would come back with a gun.
        Wishful thinking perhaps.

      • Walid on November 2, 2013, 6:53 am

        “For a moment i thought the guy that walked out would come back with a gun.”

        Sorry for the disappointment, Oleg. The guy that walked out, a pro-Syrian rebels partisan couldn’t take anymore of Galloway’s facts. Galloway offered to debate him but the guy chose to make a statement by walking out. You probably can’t stand Galloway because of the aid convoys he brought to Gaza.

      • Eva Smagacz on November 1, 2013, 7:39 pm

        Thank you MEMRI!
        (never thought I will say this with straight face)

      • Kathleen on November 1, 2013, 11:55 pm

        thanks Walid.

        George Galloway rolled over the U.S. Senate when he testified about Iran. Especially former Senator Coleman. An absolute joy to watch this.

        I just get high watching this
        Galloway full testimony in front of U.S. Senate

      • Walid on November 2, 2013, 2:46 am

        Great performance by Galloway, Kathleen, he’s always fun to watch. He wasn’t a fan of Saddam as they were trying to make him appear.

      • Inanna on November 2, 2013, 12:26 am

        What I don’t get is why anyone would subtitle a show that is in English. Don’t memri think that we understand an Englishman when he speaks?

      • Walid on November 2, 2013, 3:16 am

        “What I don’t get is why anyone would subtitle a show that is in English.”

        Inanna, MEMRI’s rich annual operating budget of about $40 million sourced from wealthy Jewish contributors has to be spent, so the added cost of including the redundant English subtitles in the video you mentined is very minor and it keeps the translators working. Conversely, the Arabic watchdog society that kept an eye on the Zionists, called the “Arab Anti-Discrimination Organization” that was founded in Cairo in 2004 as a “counterbalance” to MEMRI was financed by the Arab League to the tune of $200,000 annually until 2009 when the League decided to stop its funding. Egyptian businessmen’s funding kept it going for another 2 years but these too also quit on the organization in fear of being sued by Israel. This gives you contrasting pictures of how Jewish people support MEMRI to the tune of $40 million while the cash poor Arab states refuse to support a likewise Arab anti-propaganda operation for $200,000. Any wonder why the Palestinians have remained stateless for 65 years? The most any people had had to wander through the desert was 40 years! They have another 5 years to go to match the Babylonian captivity of the Jews.

      • ziusudra on November 2, 2013, 6:43 am

        Greetings Walid,
        Mahaba Salem,
        You are doing excellently here on MW.
        Mash’ Salam,

    • dbroncos on November 1, 2013, 12:41 pm


      While Pat Boone peddles dirt farm land on Texas TV, a “small coterie” of rich and powerful Zionist Jews get an audience with the President to dictate their ME policy terms. “Ardent and numerous” supporters aren’t required to dictate American FP.

  10. Elisabeth on November 1, 2013, 11:49 am

    In 1989 I as an exchange student I wound up at a business event at a posh Tokyo hotel. (A buffet with ice sculptures that sort of thing.) And there he was: Hired in to sing a song or two. I had to be told his name a few times by my proud Japanese hosts though, as I did no know who he was.

  11. kayq on November 1, 2013, 11:52 am

    The land is Palestinian, regardless. It probably belongs to Palestinian villagers who were driven off in 1948. Boone is a lunatic, anyway.

    • Walid on November 1, 2013, 12:05 pm

      kayk, lunatic probably yes because excessive religion drives people to lunacy; he wrote the words to the song in 1960 that made most Americans feel sorry for the Jews of Israel. It was probably one of the most important tools that boosted Zionism in the US. Ironically, the Ernest Gold catchy theme from the film played on double pianos by Ferrante and Teicher was extremely popular in Arab countries for a few months, until they realized what the film was about. Pat Boone adding the words to it sent it into orbit.

      • kayq on November 1, 2013, 1:09 pm

        Christian Zionism is definitely problematic

    • Allison Deger on November 1, 2013, 3:05 pm

      It didn’t. Land that belonged to Palestinians was nationalized under the Absentee Property Laws. Once land belongs to the state, it can never go to a private owner (according to Israeli Basic Law). And since private Jewish property was also nationalized after 1948, the land most definitely belonged to a Palestinian owner, or multiple owners until it was sold to HLDC. Because the areas for the plots are near Nazareth and the Sea of Galilee, it is highly likely the land used to be owned by a Palestinian Christian citizen of Israel.

      • Walid on November 1, 2013, 3:45 pm

        “Once land belongs to the state, it can never go to a private owner (according to Israeli Basic Law). And since private Jewish property was also nationalized after 1948,”

        Allison, are you saying that land that had been purchased by Jews from Palestinian, Lebanese, Egyptian etc Arabs was also nationalized by the state after 48? If so, this woud be a new one for me, as Jews too would have lost property to the nationalizing scheme and I wonder how much Jewish land this involved.

      • kayq on November 1, 2013, 11:02 pm

        Thanks Allison, that makes sense now

  12. LanceThruster on November 1, 2013, 12:06 pm

    I actually saw/met him in person 3 times in my life. The first time I was with my family and saw him with his at brunch at the 94th Aero-Squadron in Van Nuys. The next two times at airport baggage claims. The 2nd time I complimented him for making his album “Pat Boone sings Heavy Metal Music” (though for its camp value, not that I told him that) and he barely muttered “Thank you” and gave me a look like I shouldn’t be bothering him.

    With what I’ve seen of the many product endorsements he shills for (and his endless, shameless proselytizing), it’s too bad he made it out of the center of the earth.

  13. flyod on November 1, 2013, 12:42 pm

    behind any worthy christian zionist stands a ….rabbi?

    strange bedfellows indeed….they have to be laughing all the way to the bank…….

  14. Kathleen on November 1, 2013, 2:44 pm

    Allison this is a great piece. I had read a great deal about the Jewish Agency and Jewish National Fund a couple of decades back. I thought these illegally confiscated lands could never be sold to non Jews? Would these groups turn any of us down if we tried to buy some plots? Would they discriminate against us? Is there a pledge card to prove you are a Christian Zionist? Can you camp on the land?

    Damn that Pat Boone and to think I was a big fan of his when I was 5 . Even wore white bucks for about a year. For decades his face looks like the swollen face of a golf club kind of alcoholic


    • LanceThruster on November 1, 2013, 2:52 pm

      He had his clubs with him both times at baggage claims. I think he was even still working the sweater-vest look. He is the perfect pitchman for the blue-haired ladies and the grey-panthers (i.e. back when people were ‘decent’ and knew not to cloud the issue with any sort of nonsense about ‘rights’ for Palestinians).


    • Allison Deger on November 1, 2013, 3:00 pm

      Hi Kathleen, the land is not JNF land, it is private property owned by the two Israeli dealers listed in the article. It is zoned as “agriculture land,” meaning farming is the only legal use. Technically under Israeli law one can pop a tent on agriculture land, or even a caravan, but when I spoke to HLDC and I asked if I could put a bench on the plot they said no. They said that I couldn’t do anything with the land.

      What’s weird is that Israeli-Jews are selling land to American Christians—that they purchased from Palestinians in a Palestinian Christian area—for the purpose of increasing gentile ownership in the holy land. It seems to me, that HLDC has in fact decreased the amount of land Christians own buy way of the Israeli dealers. It’s a bizarre transaction.

      If you want to buy a plot, Daystar would happily sell you one. There staff was very friendly on the phone and I wouldn’t imagine that your faith-background or political view would pose an issue.

      • Kathleen on November 1, 2013, 4:02 pm

        “It’s a bizarre transaction” Thank you Allison. Should have been clearer I did get that it was not JNF. Although JNF is private also right? I guess the assumption I had made years ago after reading about the JNF and the JA that Israeli government owned land and JNF private land could not be sold to non Jews. Took that assumption even further thinking that non Jews could not buy land at all.

        So buying this land would mean you are protecting it for the use of the Israeli empire if need be. So convoluted

    • marc b. on November 1, 2013, 3:26 pm

      his face looks like the swollen face of a golf club kind of alcoholic

      ha. great bit of writing there. the leadership and promoters of these groups are nearly universally creeps. papa lamb’s quiet, lappy time for naughty employees rings true. my theory is that they are all closet masochists or satanists of the flamboyant anton lavey variety. but maybe it’s just the lighting.

      • Kathleen on November 2, 2013, 9:20 am

        The lack of lighting from inside where there is pure rot. Love and kindness towards one group of people and hatred, violence, social injustice towards another. Pat Boone’s god is choking with Boone’s hypocritical kind of Christianity…well which a lot of it is. Boone always looks swollen like he is coming off a bad hangover. Bad liver written all over that face.

  15. joer on November 1, 2013, 3:54 pm

    I wonder if Palestinians are allowed to buy these dirt squares.

  16. DICKERSON3870 on November 1, 2013, 5:54 pm

    RE: “There is, however, the question of how the Israeli businessmen came into ownership of the territory that is now being sold from Texas. The HLDC’s website states they purchased the plots in 2009.” ~ Allison Deger

    MY COMMENT: I read on an Israeli blog 6 0r 7 years ago that some Israelis wanted a very scenic area in northern Israel (somewhere in Galilee, I think) designated as a nature preserve. But when they spoke with the Olmert administration about their idea, they were told by the Olmert government that the area had already been promised to U.S. Christians. I assumed that this was where the fundies planned to fight Zog and/or Magog and get Raptured up (after they breed the “perfect red heifer”, of course).

    RE: “the one-square-foot plots of land between the Sea of Galilee and Nazareth sold for $110” ~ Deger

    MY COMMENT: I thought Israel was on the metric system!

    • DICKERSON3870 on November 1, 2013, 6:13 pm


      [EXCERPTS] The Yazoo land scandal, Yazoo fraud, Yazoo land fraud, or Yazoo land controversy was a massive fraud perpetrated from in the mid-1790s by several Georgia governors and the state legislature. They sold large tracts of land in the Yazoo lands, what is now portions of Alabama and Mississippi, to political insiders at very low prices in 1794. Although the law enabling the sales was overturned by reformers the following year, its ability to do so was challenged in the courts, eventually reaching the US Supreme Court. In the landmark decision in Fletcher v. Peck (1810), the Court ruled that the contracts were binding and the state could not retroactively invalidate the earlier land sales. It was one of the first times the Court had overturned state law, and it justified many claims for the land.
      Some of the lands sold by the state in 1794 had been shortly thereafter resold to innocent third parties, greatly complicating the litigation. In 1802, because of the ongoing controversy, Georgia ceded all of its claims to lands west of its modern border to the federal government, in exchange for which the federal government paid cash and assumed the legal liabilities. Claims involving these purchasers were not fully resolved by the U.S. government until legislation passed in 1814 established a fund for resolving them.
      The Yazoo land fraud is often conflated with the Pine Barrens speculation, another land scandal that took place in eastern Georgia at about the same time. This involved Georgia’s high-ranking officials making multiple gifts of grants of land for the same parcels, making grants that amounted to three times more land than then existed in the state of Georgia. . .

      SOURCE –

      ALSO SEE: Yazoo tribe –

    • Walid on November 2, 2013, 2:27 am

      “I assumed that this was where the fundies planned to fight Zog and/or Magog and get Raptured up…”

      Dickerson, about the final giant rumble between the forces of good and those of evil, the common misconception is that it will be fought at Armageddon. That location’s name is the Greek term for the Hebrew “Har Megiddo”, or the hill of Megiddo, located about 60 miles north of Jerusalem and 20 miles south-east of Haifa. The actual final battle of the Gog and Magog you mentioned will be fought just outside of Jerusalem in the valley of Jehoshaphat at Kidron. This explains the obsession of the C-Z of wanting to help the Jews in ridding Jerusalem and Kidron of its Palestinian-Arab element, necessary to make the end time come about.

      When the “Beast of the West”, which is comprised of the revived Holy Roman Empire (of Europe), will have conquered the Middle East, an opposing army of the “Beast of the East”comprised of Asians will confront it. The gathered armies of 200 million at Megiddo will then travel 60 miles south to just outside Jerusalem at Kidron for the big battle where the devil will trick both in uniting to fight the returning Jesus appearing to be coming out of the clouds by making them believe that he’s the anti-Christ, but Jesus with his feet solidly planted on the Mount of Olives and backed up by the Christians gathered there to help him in the battle will prevail. Jerusalem will be totally destroyed in the battle but in the end with all of mankind destroyed with exception to those Jews that took up Jesus’ final last-minute offer to convert to Christianity, Jesus and those that stood with him will win.

      The scenario that included involvement of snakes and dragons and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse was believed to have been written in the 2nd cent. by a John of Patmos. It’s the Book of Revelations, the last book of the Christian Bible that formed the founding beliefs of Christian Zionists and Jehova’s Witnesses. Makes you wonder what they were smoking on that island in the Aegean Sea. I also keep wondering why the wolf didn’t eat Little Red Hood when he first met up with her in the forest and had to go through all the pain of trying to do it later.

      • bintbiba on November 2, 2013, 9:55 am

        Walid , ya Walid, I bow to your great knowledge. My head is turning with all the information on this page ! You, piotr, and Shmuel ( as well as so many others too) give us so much insight into the mindset of certain groups of people, so many planets away from mine, my brain is hurting at the moment! The humour is a great plus!!

      • DICKERSON3870 on November 2, 2013, 9:23 pm

        RE: “Makes you wonder what they were smoking on that island in the Aegean Sea.” ~ Walid

        MY REPLY: Or eating!*

        * SEE: “Calif. man pleads guilty to cutting friend’s heart out”, CBS News, 9/09/12

        [EXCERPTS] (AP) CRESCENT CITY, Calif. – A Northern California mixed-martial artist accused of ripping out his friend’s heart and removing his tongue while the two were on hallucinogenic drugs has pleaded guilty to murder and mayhem charges. . .
        . . . Witnesses say the two had ingested hallucinogenic mushrooms before the attack and believed they were involved in a struggle between God and the devil. . .


        P.S. Thank you Walid for your clarification of the “final giant rumble”. I’m saving it for future reference.

      • DICKERSON3870 on November 2, 2013, 10:05 pm

        P.P.S. ALSO RE: “Makes you wonder what they were smoking on that island in the Aegean Sea.” ~ Walid

        SEE: “Moses high on more than Mount Sinai”, by Vaughan Bell,, 3/05/08

        [EXCERPTS ] An Israeli psychologist is asking whether Moses may have been tripping when he saw God on Mount Sinai, suggesting that many of our traditional ideas about the Abrahamic God may have been inspired by hallucinogenic drugs.
        Professor Benny Shannon’s apparently cites historical evidence that the religious ceremonies of the Israelites included hallucinogenic plants and further bases his speculation on his own experiences with the reportedly similar psychedelic plant ayahuasca. . .
        . . . Biblical scholar John Allegro wrote an astounding 1970 book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross where he argued that Jesus was actually an hallucinogenic mushroom.
        Bear with me on this one.
        Allegro suggests that the word ‘Jesus’ was actually a code word for amanita muscaria, the red and white speckled mushroom often featured in fairy tales.
        Amanita muscaria, otherwise known as Fly Agaric, genuinely exists and can cause quite intense hallucinations, owing to its effect on GABA receptors in the brain.
        According to the theory, a religious sect were using these mushrooms for spiritual purposes, and their visions resulted in the Christian religion. . .

        SOURCE –

        P.P.P.S. ALSO SEE: “Moses saw God ‘because he was stoned – again'”, Nathan Jeffay, The Guardian, 3/05/08
        LINK –

  17. DICKERSON3870 on November 1, 2013, 6:04 pm

    RE: “Pat Boone sells tiny plots of Israeli land to Christian Zionists”

    MY COMMENT: Go east, young fundies! ! ! According to Rachel Tabachnick, World Biblical Zionists (WBZ) is currently building a center in Sha’ar Benjamin for “facilitating absorption” of Christian Zionists into the West Bank.*

    * SEE: “A Serial Obstructionist”, By Rachel Tabachnick, ZEEK – Forward, 3/15/10

    [EXCERPTS] . . . Shortly after Vice President Joe Biden’s arrival in Israel, Netanyahu and Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat were the headliners at Pastor John Hagee’s two-hour Christians United for Israel (CUFI) extravaganza at the Jerusalem Convention Center. . .
    . . . Monday’s CUFI production was based on the concept of “biblical Zionism,” or the belief that God mandates nonnegotiable borders of Israel, and any leader or nation who thwarts this divine plan will be cursed. Before introducing Netanyahu, Hagee stated, “World leaders do not have the authority to tell Israel and the Jewish people what they can and can not do in Jerusalem.” He added, “Israel does not exist because of a decree of the United Nations in 1948. Israel exists because of a covenant God made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. . . The settlements are not the problem.”
    In his books and sermons Hagee has promoted a “greater Israel,” that will reclaim all of Israel’s former biblical territory, stating “In modern terms, Israel rightfully owns all of present-day Israel, all of Lebanon, half of Syria, two-thirds of Jordan, all of Iraq, and the northern portion of Saudi Arabia.”
    At the Jerusalem CUFI event Hagee described Ahmadinejad as the Hitler of the Middle East who could turn the world upside down in 24 hours, words similar to those he made when lobbying for the attack on Iraq. . .
    . . . During a performance by singer Dudu Fisher, the God TV camera panned to the audience and centered on Joel Bell, leader of Worldwide Biblical Zionists. WBZ is currently building a center in Sha’ar Benjamin for “facilitating absorption” of Christian Zionists into the West Bank. It was established after a joint meeting held in Texas of the Board of Governors of World Likud led by Danny Danon, and World Evangelical Zionists led by Joel Bell. Speakers included ZOA’s Morton Klein. . .


    • W.Jones on November 1, 2013, 6:13 pm

      Actually from the State’s perspective it might make sense strategically to give American CZs Israeli residence. But it would create ideological issues too.

      • W.Jones on November 2, 2013, 1:15 am

        Skip that. You might as well say that it makes more sense for the state to avoid the CZs because that would lead to heightened tensions, which is not something people need.

    • Walid on November 3, 2013, 3:58 am

      Dickerson, can’t have only the Jews and Christians have all the fun and leave out the Muslims in all this esoteric stuff. They have their own with the story of Isra and Mi’raj, that relates the Prophet Muhammad’s spiritual night journey with the archangel Gabriel to the farthest (aqsa) mosque in the realm, which was assumed to be in Jerusalem since it was not mentioned by name. There he prayed and later that night ascended to the 7 heavens where he was met and welcomed by Adam in the 1st heaven, Jesus and John the Baptist in the 2nd, Joseph in the 3rd, Idris (Enoch) in the 4th, Aaron in the 5th, Moses in the 6th and Abraham in the 7th. Muhammad was then led to the house of God where among other things discussed, that number of times that Muslims must pray every day.

      Up until that time, Muslims had been doing it the Judaic way along with other customs such as the fasting, the commemoration of the Asor of Yom Kippur and the atonement that the Arabs called Ashura, the no to pork, circumcision and so on and especially the 3 daily prayers facing Jerusalem. God asked Muhammad to raise the number of daily prayers to 50, which Muhammad found burdensome. He went back down to the 6th heaven and complained to Moses, and Moses being Moses told Muhammad to go back to God and plead his case. Muhammad did as he was told and God brought the number down to 40. Muhammad went back to Moses that told him in so many other words that this was good but not good enough as his people would still refuse such a burden and he made him go back and plead his case again. He did and God reduced it to 30 and same isue of rejection by Moses that refused the number telling Muhammad that he was experienced in such things having taken the people of Bani-Israel out of Egypt. After the back and forth a few times between Moses and God, on the premise that a prayer by the righteous having the meritorious value of 10 prayers, 5 prayers a day by the good people would therefore fulfill the commandment, God (and Moses, of course) therefore accepted the argument and the final number was bargained down to 5 daily prayers. It was probably at that time that the direction of prayers was shifted from Jerusalem to Mecca. With the way Moses got Muhammad out of trouble on that one, it’s no wonder that Jews became great lawyers.

      The full and very interesting story of the Isra and Mi’raj based on 3 passages in the Quran and on their elaboration and development in later Hadiths by the companions and other interpreters.'raj

  18. Rudolph on November 1, 2013, 8:45 pm

    It is ironic that most US evangelicals have never demonstrated the slightest interest in the welfare of Palestinian Christians who live under Israel’s harsh and illegal occupation. In contrast, in 2012 “the United Church of Canada [the largest Protestant denomination in Canada]…voted to boycott products exported by Israeli settlements on the West Bank. The foray into Middle East politics was one of 13 resolutions the UCC adopted…The resolutions also single out Israeli settlements as a principal obstacle to peace in the region, call on Israel to suspend settlement expansion, and express regret for previously asking Palestinians to acknowledge Israel as a Jewish state.”

    • Walid on November 2, 2013, 7:41 am

      Rudolph, the first North American Union to boycott Israel was the 54,000-member Canadian Union of Postal Workers. In 2010, the union expressed its opposition to the issuance of stamp commemorating 60 years of joint Canadian-Israeli cooperation.

      The 3 companies targetted by the United Church are Ahava, Keter Plastic, and Soda Stream.

      • Walid on November 3, 2013, 1:15 am

        Forgot to mention that the actual Canadian postal union’s boycott of Israel started in 2008. Their opposition to the postage stamp came 2 years later in 2010 but failed to prevent it; the government went ahead with the stamp anyway.

        I didn’t want the hasbara squad here left thinking that I misconstrued the postage stamp issue of 2010 as the actual boycott.

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