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Here’s the logo for AIPAC’s policy conference that starts today. Notice, no Jewish symbol in the graphic for AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee). But a morphing Star of David that becomes the 5-pointed star from a Christmas tree. And “excitement,” that sounds a bit rapturous, doesn’t it? Like a revival tent?

AIPAC's 2014 slogan

AIPAC’s 2014 slogan

If AIPAC is losing liberal Democrats to J Street, this won’t help. A lot of the messaging is aimed at capturing Christians. Look at this one. The +-sign looks like a cross to me. So do some of the men’s ties.

Very ecumenical image from AIPAC

Very ecumenical image from AIPAC

Here’s Joel Rosenberg, whose organization does Christian outreach for Israel, tweeting an event he attended last night.

Joel Rosenberg and Will and Penny Nance at AIPAC outreach to Christians event

Joel Rosenberg and Will and Penny Nance at AIPAC outreach to Christians event

And here’s Tim Wachtstetter, an Arkansas Christian, sending his regrets, because he’s in the holy land.

Tim Wachtstetter

Tim Wachtstetter

This image tweeted as the policy conference was about to start, from Sarahbeth Budenstein, captures the outreach. What’s that flag? Where’s the Judaica?

Sarabeth Budenstein photo of AIPAC policy conference 2014

Sarabeth Budenstein photo of AIPAC policy conference 2014

But there’s some of that good old time religion. AIPAC tweeted this. Netanyahu and Obama are best friends. We’ll get a lot of liberal Democrats on the stage in the next couple days, don’t worry. Plus a rightwing P.M.

Netanyahu promotes his visit to the U.S. and AIPAC

Netanyahu promotes his visit to the U.S. and AIPAC

The liberal Zionist organization J Street is reaching out to AIPAC delegates. Writes Alan Elsner:

“As over 14,000 pro-Israel delegates converge on Capitol Hill this week for the annual AIPAC conference, we are challenging them to join Kerry’s ‘great constituency for peace’ and show our leaders that we can’t afford to miss this moment.”

And on Meet the Press today, John Kerry did his own diplomacy, saying that Netanyahu has been “very courageous” and has made “tough decisions” during the peace process.

Code Pink has put up this appalling image from outside the AIPAC conference. “Check out the racism,” they say.

Outside AIPAC 2014

Outside AIPAC 2014

I like this image from Code Pink, too.

Code Pink photo, across from AIPAC conference 2014

Code Pink photo, across from AIPAC conference 2014

Inside the hall, the organization is clearly defensive about the dual loyalty tag. “Israel makes America safer, stronger and better,” AIPAC’s outgoing president Michael Kassen says in the opening speech.

And the second speaker is Masad Barhoum, a Palestinian Israeli hospital director, talking about treating 200+ wounded from the Syrian civil war– “seeking medical salvation at the hands of their sworn enemy… they have been saved by the Israel they have been taught to fear and hate.”

When we walk through the gates [of the hospital], we cease to be Jews, Muslims, or like me an Arab Christian.

There are more non-Jews on the first panel. Senator Chris Coons, a Delaware Democrat, is interviewed by former CNN anchor Frank Sesno. He is the first to speak. “We must achieve an outcome where Iran has no pathway to a nuclear weapon.” And only after him, former officials: Joe Lieberman and former Mossad head Avi Dichter. Iran’s intentions are clear, Dichter says:

Iran intends to destroy Israel and expel the people who came post-48.

Dichter is slinging Islamophobia. Arabic doesn’t have the expression, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, he says. No their expression is:

Me and my brother against our cousin. And me and my cousin against the stranger.

The AIPAC poster saying all callings are welcome is being parodied effectively. From Abe Greenhouse:

Parody of AIPAC poster

Parody of AIPAC poster

From Hiba Izdahmad:

Parody from Hiba Izdahmad

Parody from Hiba Izdahmad

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  1. just
    just
    March 2, 2014, 9:54 am

    ugh.

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      March 2, 2014, 11:51 am

      As I was reading , I was going ‘ugh ugh ugh ugh’ …. and so together now:ugh ugh ugh!
      Just saw your ‘ugh’ Just!

  2. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    March 2, 2014, 10:12 am

    Definitely hearing that twist more…”that Christian organizations are the real problem when it comes to Israel” Israel’s efforts to rebrand, take the focus off of the I lobby here in the U.S. Refusenik Maya Wind was just here in Boulder and said something very close to that. She even went onto say that she “gets a bit mad when she hears Americans say that Aipac is the problem” when it comes to full on support of Israel no matter what they do. She was very dismissive of the fact that Aipac, Jinsa the I lobby have a huge influence on congress. It was one of two stances that I felt she was way off the mark on. She is so bright and full of life and such an honorable commitment to humanity I was a bit taken back by this stance. She seems to be willfully naive about the facts having to do with the influence of the lobby in the U.S. for decades Also I asked both Eran and Maya why they choose not to go talk with congress folks about their powerful eye witness accounts of what is really taken place when they are speaking around the D.C. area. She said she thinks this would be futile. I of course totally disagree. I think she is totally naive about what many of our congress folks really think about this issue. Have heard many Reps say that they would very much like to stand up and do the right thing when it comes to the conflict but are afraid for their positions in congress. That there is other work that they want to accomplish and they can not make this their number one issue. These things were said with other witnesses in the rooms. But the time is coming for a shift in congress…the time is coming.

    • American
      American
      March 2, 2014, 10:33 am

      Kathleen says:
      March 2, 2014 at 10:12 am
      Definitely hearing that twist more…”that Christian organizations are the real problem when it comes to Israel”
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      Ive been hearing that for years. Its their attempt to hide I- First agenda behind the Christians. Just like Zios hide behind the Jews, hide behind America, hide behind hokey Isr democracy, hide behind the holocaust, its the old…’by way of deception’.
      Doesnt matter…its all going to blow wide open eventually because they are socipath crazies.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        March 3, 2014, 4:35 pm

        Yep as I said “hearing that twist more” More

    • puppies
      puppies
      March 2, 2014, 11:15 am

      @Kathleen – You may be the one who’s totally “totally naive about what many of our congress folks really” would ever do “about this issue.” Would there be a lobby or any lobbies if there was a functional congress?

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 2, 2014, 12:53 pm

        @puppies

        Would there be a lobby or any lobbies if there was a functional congress?

        Yes lobbies are the mechanism by which issue oriented coalitions petition the government for a redress of grievances. The right to petition the government and influence policy is designed right into the structure of the US Constitution. That’s not a bug that was part of the architecture of the US congress. Without the people having the right to form coalitions and petition on issues it is hard to understand what would be the point of a free press or the right to assemble for protest. What happens next if the press does convince people or the protests are large enough that the legislature wants to engage?

      • puppies
        puppies
        March 2, 2014, 4:01 pm

        @Jeff – Typical Zionist thinking. Acknowledged “lobbying” is the contrary of democracy. A multitude of parties, not lobbies for a two-party rigged dictatorship, a free press without monopolies and the unlimited right to demonstrate instead of lobbying is the diametral opposite of the corrupt US system. But why talk to you, anyway?

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        March 2, 2014, 10:18 pm

        @puppies- I hate to say it, but JeffB approaches half right. Petitioning our government is intrinsic, and absolutely crucial to our democracy. Citizens have and need that right. I’ve worked it and it does work to get obscure/local causes raised above the national/monied noise level.

        What he glosses over, in his usual sugary way, is the fact that, particularly on this issue, it’s not so much about citizen petitions as it is about well-funded cloaking of the interests of a foreign government using the Constitutional terms of very legitimate and necessary citizen petition rights.

        To me, the foreign government aspects of what he poses is the actionable point, not the “lobbying” aspects. He’s really, really good at obscuring that distinction.

      • puppies
        puppies
        March 2, 2014, 11:08 pm

        @ritzl (abandoned all hope of ever getting correct Reply buttons) – There is a very fundamental difference between petitioning, demonstrating, otherwise exercising democracy on the 1 hand and officially condoning lobbies o.t.o. The latter are the very definition of official corruption anywhere outside the US (and perhaps UK? I can’t really see where else they are openly allowed, even though they exist, of course, all over the world.)

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 3, 2014, 6:50 am

        @Puppies

        You are raising a lot of complaints about the US system. For example multiparty democracy vs. two party democracy. Which is fine just disagreeing so fundamentally with how America is governed but then that has nothing to do with AIPAC anymore. AIPAC just becomes one of millions of things that work with the US government as it exists.

        We can talk about whether AIPAC unusual among the US government as it exists, or we can talk about what entirely different type government you want. What we can’t do is use things from the entirely different type of government to point out how AIPAC is in some way particularly bad.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        March 3, 2014, 11:19 am

        ““lobbying” is the contrary of democracy.”

        Really. And just what it is you’re hoping to do here? Get a group of people to effect change in Congress. That’s called lobbying, my friend.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        March 3, 2014, 1:48 pm

        I agree regarding personhood, but the financial / legal structure of nonprofits wasn’t the point in question but rather the right to lobby.

        That’s not really the point. We are objecting to a tax exempt organization that devotes more than an insubstantial amount of its time and resources to encourage illegal acts and reversing US policy regarding the application of international humanitarian laws regarding colonization of occupied territory and the rights of displaced persons. That’s a flagrant violation of the tax code. See: IRS 1985 EO CPE Text “J. Activities That Are Illegal Or Contrary To Public Policy ” http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicj85.pdf

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        March 4, 2014, 3:51 am

        Really. And just what it is you’re hoping to do here? Get a group of people to effect change in Congress. That’s called lobbying, my friend.

        It’s actually grassroots lobbying, not direct lobbying like that done by AIPAC. The majority of the movement’s time and resources are devoted to boycotts and divestment, with only an insubstantial amount going to grassroots lobbying for changes through legislation.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        March 3, 2014, 12:25 am

        The right to petition the government and influence policy is designed right into the structure of the US Constitution.

        The idea that tax exempt corporations, like AIPAC, are persons, much less citizens, is not based upon the text of the Constitution.

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        March 3, 2014, 12:55 am

        Thanks Hostage. Generally. Haven’t said it in a while, though it’s always the sentiment whenever I read your stuff. :)

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 3, 2014, 6:46 am

        @Hostage

        The idea that tax exempt corporations, like AIPAC, are persons, much less citizens, is not based upon the text of the Constitution.

        I agree regarding personhood, but the financial / legal structure of nonprofits wasn’t the point in question but rather the right to lobby. Lobbies would exist under different financial / legal structures as they do in many countries and many points in history. Puppies’ disagreement seemed to be the right to collectively petition the government not the details of how these collectives are able to file lawsuits or bank.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        March 3, 2014, 7:15 am

        @ Hostage
        Further, generally as to corporations as persons, In Citizens United, in dissent
        Stevens referred to the majority’s argument that “there is no such thing as too much speech” as “facile” and a “straw man” argument. He called it an incorrect statement of First Amendment law because the Court recognizes numerous exceptions to free speech, such as fighting words, obscenity restrictions, time, place and manner restrictions, etc. Throughout the dissent, Stevens argued that the majority’s “slogan” ignored the possibility that too much speech from one source could “drown out” other points of view.

        He also argued that the majority’s decision failed to recognize the dangers of the corporate form. Austin held that the prevention of corruption, including the distorting influence of a dominant funding source, was a sufficient reason for regulating corporate independent expenditures. In defending Austin, Stevens argued that the unique qualities of corporations and other artificial legal entities made them dangerous to democratic elections. These legal entities, he argued, have perpetual life, the ability to amass large sums of money, limited liability, no ability to vote, no morality, no purpose outside of profit-making, and no loyalty. Therefore, he argued, the courts should permit legislatures to regulate corporate participation in the political process.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        March 3, 2014, 4:02 pm

        Tax exempt status of an organization that is lobbying for a foreign nation.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        March 3, 2014, 4:18 pm

        Tax exempt status of an organization that is lobbying for a foreign nation.

        Well even if a tax exempt organization is a person and a citizen there’s still the Logan Act & etc. to contend with.

      • puppies
        puppies
        March 3, 2014, 10:40 am

        @Jeff – “We can talk”… Where the fuck do you think you are writing, another Zionist propaganda board or some normalized shmuseklatsch? ‘Petition” my ass, what is legal here is to buy government. In this case with my tax money. “Lobbying” as permitted here is illegal almost anywhere else.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 3, 2014, 5:00 pm

        @Hostage

        That’s not really the point. We are objecting to a tax exempt organization that devotes more than an insubstantial amount of its time and resources to encourage illegal acts and reversing US policy regarding the application of international humanitarian laws regarding colonization of occupied territory and the rights of displaced persons. That’s a flagrant violation of the tax code. See: IRS 1985 EO CPE Text “J. Activities That Are Illegal Or Contrary To Public Policy ” link to irs.gov

        AIPAC is clearly a lobby not a social welfare agency. It shouldn’t have tax exempt status. There are lots of political groups that’s true of and they should all be stripped. That’s different than Puppies’ point about whether lobby’s should exist. That’s different than your previous point about it being organized as a corporation. And that’s certainly different than this point regarding the UN.

        As far as the right of a lobby to advocate for whatever foreign policy it wants. I think that’s the core of the 1st Amendment. Your philosophy that the UN should not only be a world government but a world government that has the right to jail people for disagreeing with its policies I find rather abhorrent. That is not US law. Americans are free to advocate for whatever policies they think are in the best interests of the United States. If they think the UN is a bad organization they are free to say so. If they think we should repudiate Geneva in its entirety they are free to say so. They are free to assemble publicly to advocate for those positions. And they are free to form or donate to lobbies to advance those positions.

        Were the IRS to attempt to use tax status to attack those sorts of things, that would be a blatant violation of IRS political neutrality. I’d have a huge problem with the IRS using tax status to advance a particular political viewpoint.

      • annie
        annie
        March 4, 2014, 12:02 am

        Americans are free to advocate for whatever policies they think are in the best interests of the United States.

        http://www.fara.gov/

        The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) was enacted in 1938. FARA is a disclosure statute that requires persons acting as agents of foreign principals in a political or quasi-political capacity to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts and disbursements in support of those activities. Disclosure of the required information facilitates evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons in light of their function as foreign agents. The FARA Registration Unit of the Counterespionage Section (CES) in the National Security Division (NSD) is responsible for the administration and enforcement of the Act.

      • annie
        annie
        March 4, 2014, 12:08 am

        Americans are free to advocate for whatever policies they think are in the best interests of the United States.

        Israeli Knesset member seeds anti-Palestinian legislation in Congress

        Capitol Hill in Washington was rocked late last month when the Senate Appropriations Committee approved an amendment requiring the State Department, for the first time, to do a “count” of Palestinian refugees.

        The amendment required the State Department to specify how many of the five million Palestinians who receive aid from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency are refugees who were personally displaced from their homes in 1948, and how many are descendants of those refugees.

        Known as the Kirk Amendment, after its sponsor, Senator Mark Kirk (R-Illinois), considered one of Israel’s strongest supporters in Washington, the bill conceals within its 150-plus words a fierce battle between Republican legislators and the State Department over the United States’ relationship with UN institutions. . .

        What is not common knowledge in the Beltway is that the Kirk Amendment got its start in the Jerusalem office of MK Einat Wilf (Atzmaut ), who toiled for months, together with AIPAC lobbyists and Kirk’s staff, to promote the change.

        Last September, as the Palestinians prepared their unilateral bid at the UN, Wilf met with representatives of the pro-Israel lobby in Israel. “I asked them why they weren’t doing anything about UNRWA,” Wilf says, adding: “The answer I got was that figures in the Israeli government had blocked such moves in the past.” . . .

        After Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Ron Dermer, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s foreign-policy adviser, gave their approval to Wilf’s efforts, she returned to AIPAC staffers and also approached Steven J. Rosen, a former foreign policy director for the organization who now works for a Washington think tank, to get things rolling on Capitol Hill.

        In April Wilf and Rosen met with Kirk’s deputy chief of staff, Richard Goldberg. Kirk is recovering from a stroke he suffered a few months ago, and Goldberg is promoting the senator’s legislative efforts.

        After a preliminary draft of the bill was worded, AIPAC officials went on board in an attempt to pass it, holding meeting with many of the senators on the appropriations committee in an attempt to sway them into supporting the legislation.

        Wilf and Rosen met with Kirk’s deputy chief of staff, Richard Goldberg?

      • annie
        annie
        March 4, 2014, 12:16 am

        A look at who is running Mark Kirk’s office in his absence

        Mark Kirk’s recent legislation seeking to cut the number of recognized Palestinian refugees has brought new attention to the senator’s track record of being one of Israel’s strongest supporters in Congress (no small feat). But it is also well known that Sen. Kirk suffered a very serious stroke in January and has not made a public appearance sinceI find it odd that Kirk would be sponsoring legislation during the early stages of his recovery process from a massive stroke. It simply does not make sense that in the course of months-long rehabilitation he would be focusing on the money Americans could save by slashing the funds paid out to UNRWA. Not logical. 

        To understand where this legislation is coming from, it’s helpful to look at who’s running the shop in Kirk’s absence. ….Kirk’s Deputy Chief of Staff Richard Goldberg also has deep ties to the lobby and is clearly a partisan looking to use his position to help Israel….

        this speech he gave to the Ida Crown Jewish Academy last year: Richard Goldberg Addresses Class of 2011

        …we prepare for a political tsunami in September with the potential to spur a third Intifada….This morning, I returned from a week-long Jewish Federation mission to Israel led by one of the greatest champions of the U.S.-Israel relationship in Washington, Senator Mark Kirk.

        Our focus was on the strategic relationship between the United States and Israel – and the range of threats now facing the Jewish state……Al tikra banaich ela bonaich. Do not call them your children, call them your builders. Take with you what you learned at the Academy – and together, build a life filled with Torah, chesed, yiddishkeit and an undying commitment to the safety and security of the State of Israel. You are the builders now – and, together, you will succeed.

        Americans are free to advocate for whatever policies they think are in the best interests of the United States.

        sure, as long as they register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) when they’re working with and an undying commitment to the safety and security for the State of…………Israel.

        and this would be the very same mark kirk who sponsored the iran sanctions. and don’t miss Sen. Kirk aide said to be point-man in campaign against Hagel …that aide would be..you guessed it, Richard Goldberg.

        Kirk served for 10 years in the House before winning President Obama’s old Senate seat in 2011 with the help of wads of pro-Israel cash. Kirk suffered a stroke a year ago and only returned to the Capitol a few days ago

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 4, 2014, 8:14 am

        @Annie —

        Elsewhere in the thread I did a long discussion of foreign lobbies vs. domestic lobbies on a foreign policy issue:
        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/reaches-christians-morphing.html/comment-page-1#comment-645687

        AIPAC is the later.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        March 4, 2014, 12:55 pm

        Elsewhere in the thread I did a long discussion of foreign lobbies vs. domestic lobbies on a foreign policy issue

        Yes but you were completely unconvincing, since nothing in the applicable statutes prevent AIPAC from being considered both a registered lobby and an agent of a foreign principal. We’ve pointed out that AIPAC did take action on requests for things like draft legislation on refugees that it had received from the government of Israel. So it is required to register as an agent.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        March 4, 2014, 4:36 am

        That’s different than Puppies’ point about whether lobby’s should exist. That’s different than your previous point about it being organized as a corporation. And that’s certainly different than this point regarding the UN.

        Neither of my responses was “different”, since there is no Constitutional right to petition the Congress to commit offenses against the law of nations. If you read the links I supplied, you’ll readily see that it really doesn’t make any “difference” if the “person” doing the speaking happens to be a tax exempt organization or corporation.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 4, 2014, 8:26 am

        @Hostage

        Neither of my responses was “different”, since there is no Constitutional right to petition the Congress to commit offenses against the law of nations.

        Yes there is. There is a constitution right to petition Congress to do anything and everything when it comes to law and policy. There is nothing special about UN policy that exempts it from the 1st amendment.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        March 4, 2014, 12:46 pm

        Yes there is. There is a constitution right to petition Congress to do anything and everything when it comes to law and policy.

        LoL! No, there is no Constitutional right to petition the Congress to violate the law of nations, such as peremptory norms of international law. For example, it is a crime at all times and in all places to engage in acts that constitute incitement to commit genocide. Full stop.

        FYI, Lobbying is an example of an activity that the US Supreme Court has specifically ruled is NOT protected by the Constitutional right of petition. See UNITED STATES v. HARRISS et al. 347 U.S. 612 (74 S.Ct. 808, 98 L.Ed. 989) http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/347/612

        I’ve already pointed out that the tax code specifically prohibits exempt organizations from encouraging or engaging in illegal acts, including war crimes, crimes against humanity, piracy, slavery, genocide, racial discrimination, and etc. That means that tax exempt Jewish groups are not allowed to encourage or financially support efforts to pillage and plunder Palestinian public and private property or deport, transfer, and displace Palestinians.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        March 4, 2014, 4:58 am

        “Americans are free to advocate for whatever policies they think are in the best interests of the United States.”

        But this group seems to be advocating policies that are in the best interests of Israel, and sod the US.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 4, 2014, 8:25 am

        @RoHa —

        But this group seems to be advocating policies that are in the best interests of Israel, and sod the US.

        Do you think the Americans advancing those policies believe that to be the case?

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        March 4, 2014, 10:02 am

        @ JeffB (no reply button)

        Upon independence from Great Britain, the United States “were bound to receive the law of nations, in its modern state of purity and refinement. Ware v. Hylton, 3 Dall. 199. 199, 281 (1796). In The Nereide, Justice Marshall stated that the “Court is bound by the law of nations, which is part of the law of the land.” 13 U.S. 388, 423 (1815). “The courts have always considered the law of nations to be part of the law of the United States.” M. J. Glennon, Constitutional Diplomacy (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press 1990), at 245. There are numerous other authorities that state that the law of nations became the national law of the United States. Even William Blackstone recognized the importance of the law of nations which he considered “universal law” and the life blood of a nation wanting to be part of the “civilized world.” 4 W. Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England 67 (1769). Hence, the law of nations, when not codified into any Act of Congress, became the common law of the United States.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 4, 2014, 11:15 am

        >> Do you think the Americans advancing those policies believe that to be the case?

        Can any of the Americans advancing those policies demonstrate that the pro-Israel policies they are advancing are, in fact, in the best interests of the United States?

        If ‘yes’, I’d love to see the evidence which shows that supporting an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist, aggressive, intransigent, nuclear-armed and supremacist “Jewish State” in the Middle East is good for America.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        March 4, 2014, 6:39 pm

        @JeffB

        I think the Americans advocating those policies believe that they are in the best interests of Israel. They do not seem to have any concern for what is best for the USA.

    • MahaneYehude1
      MahaneYehude1
      March 2, 2014, 12:51 pm

      The problem with Maya Wind and Eran Efrati is that they see only one side sufferings, have no ability to say something negative on the Palestinian side and close their eyes to our sufferings and victims. For them, like you, Israel is 100% wrong while the Palestinians and Arab countries are paragons of human rights. Fortunately, there are other American students that think different than you.

      • amigo
        amigo
        March 2, 2014, 5:40 pm

        “The problem with Maya Wind and Eran Efrati is that they see only one side sufferings, have no ability to say something negative on the Palestinian side and close their eyes to our sufferings and victims.”club mehane

        Your suffering is of your own making spud and the Palestinians are your victims.Get that through your dense cranial matter.

      • just
        just
        March 2, 2014, 6:51 pm

        What present “sufferings” are the Israelis experiencing, Mahane?

        Please inform me! (btw, I’m guessing that Palestinians and millions of others are interested as well.)

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 3, 2014, 1:29 am

        A lot of potatoes in West Jerusalem are very poor quality, Just. They take ages to boil. Apparently the main supplier spends a lot of time on the internet and doesn’t monitor the quality. That goes for both the spuds and the net contributions btw.

      • talknic
        talknic
        March 2, 2014, 8:05 pm

        @ MahaneYehude1 Your sufferings? What are they?

        ” For them, like you, Israel is 100% wrong”

        It’s not the Arab states or Palestine in breach of obligations to International Law and the UN Charter in respect to the territory that remained of Palestine after Israel was proclaimed independent of Palestine

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        March 2, 2014, 8:05 pm

        Mahane the problem for you when it comes to Maya and Eran is that they are humanitarians with beating human hearts that are not Jewish, Arab or Christian they are humanitarians and feel the pain that they see being inflicted upon Palestinians. The problem for you Mahane seems to be that they are honorable human beings committed to human rights and social justice

      • thankgodimatheist
        thankgodimatheist
        March 2, 2014, 8:37 pm

        “they see only one side sufferings”
        True that Israelis suffer too. Especially soldiers. Sometimes a breeze knocks back the tear gas they shoot at Palestinians and it gets into their (already) sore eyes ( they famously shoot and cry, the poor things). I can imagine the suffering.

      • a blah chick
        a blah chick
        March 2, 2014, 8:39 pm

        Now, now, people, get a grip. Mahane does have a point. As good lefties we should not make exceptions to the behavior of people we sympathize with. Therefore I will say here and now that I am against the shooting of Israeli settlers by Palestinian police and the burning of their olive groves and the appropriation of their lands and their torture in Palestinian prisons. The so called “price tag” terrorism against Jews must stop. I reject the proposed new law that would strip Jews in Judea and Samaria of their Israeli citizenship and prevent them from marrying people from said territories and bringing them to Israel to live. Also Abbas must stop saying that the Jews of said lands are not really Jews but Khazars.

        That is all.

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        March 2, 2014, 8:46 pm

        @Mehane- Well, one example of someone who happens to be Jewish and experienced personal suffering is David Harris-Gershon. His wife was almost killed by a terrorist attack, yet he used that experience to reflect and come to understand Palestinian (i.e. shared) suffering.

        http://davidharrisgershon.com/

        It’s a pretty remarkable, years-long personal journey. You should take note, imo.

        As eljay says, oppressor-victimhood is no excuse for continued, professed ignorance of what Israel inflicts, daily, on the Palestinians, how routinely and intentionally soul-crushing that is, and how it effects the behavior of normal human beings (clearly enraging, but in no small part including Palestinian resilience and restraint in the face of that rage/condition).

        What Israel does to the Palestinians, and what you seem to be at no loss to find excuses for here, is so totally counterproductive.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        March 2, 2014, 10:19 pm

        @Amigo, Just, talknic, Kathleen, Thanksgod, blah chick:

        Your replies, many contain mockery language, show me that I right. You have no ability to see our side since you are exposed to the demonization campaign against us.

      • talknic
        talknic
        March 3, 2014, 5:55 am

        @ MahaneYehude1 If Israel hadn’t been in non-Israeli territory terrorizing and illegally usurping non-Jews for the last 65 years, incidents as you’ve mentioned (minuscule by comparison to what the Palestinians suffer daily), wouldn’t have happened.

        Go bitch to the Zionist Movement, they’re the cause of suffering, not the occupied who’re having their rightful territory taken from them.

      • American
        American
        March 3, 2014, 11:54 am

        @@ MahaneYehude1

        No one ‘exposed’ us to anti Israel propaganda—-most of us arrived here and at where we’re at on Israel because of what we read in ‘straight’ news reports on I/P in respectable, not slanted as the US news is, newspapers abroad. No further ‘demonizing’ was needed, the facts and acts of Israel spoke for themselves.
        All we really get now is more ‘facts ‘ to add to our list on what a demon Israel actually is.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        March 3, 2014, 4:09 pm

        Come on Mehane Israel had an opportunity to stick with the internationally recognized border and build their wall on their side of that border. Israel’s actions demonize Israel. No one here wrote these reports
        http://www.un.org/News/dh/infocus/middle_east/Gaza_Flotilla_Panel_Report.pdf
        Body no. 2: Bullet wounds: on the right side of the head, on the right side of the back of the
        neck, on the right cheek, underneath the chin, on the right side of the back, on
        the left thigh. A bullet was palpated on the left side of the chest. Abrasion on
        the right arm.
        Body no. 3: Bullet wound on the right side of the back of the neck, two bullet wounds on the
        right side of the back of the neck, a bullet wound on the right side of the
        abdomen, a bullet wound on the right side of the lower back, a bullet wound on
        the left back-buttock.
        Body no. 4: Bullet wounds: on the left breast, the left buttock, the right shoulder, the right
        thigh, the right calf, two in the left thigh. Subcutaneous bleeding on the right
        side of the forehead. Lacerations on th
        e forehead. Various
        additional abrasions.
        Body no. 5: Two bullet wounds in the left shoulder, bullet wound in the right side of the
        chest, bullet wound in the right shoulder, bullet wound in the right thigh.
        Body no. 6: Bullet wounds in the forehead and the back of the neck. Abrasion wounds on
        the right side of the forehead, the nose, the right knee.
        Body no. 7: Bullet wounds on the left side of the chest, subcutaneous bleeding on the back,
        the left calf, and right elbow joint.
        Body no. 8: Bullet wounds on the front of the right ear, bullet palpated under the skin of the
        torso on the left side, two bullet wounds on the right side of the back, bullet
        wound on the right buttock, various abrasions.
        Body no. 9: Bullet wounds in the area of the right temple/back of neck, bullet wound in the
        left nipple, bullet wound in the area of the scalp-forehead on the left side, bullet
        wound on the face (nose), bu
        llet wound on the left torso, bullet wound on the
        right side of the back, two bullet wounds in the left thigh, two bullet wounds as a
        result of the bullet passing through toes four and five on the left foot

        http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        March 2, 2014, 10:28 pm

        @ritzl:

        Thanks for the example. It shows that people can see the other side sufferings, although they are victims, as I wrote in my original comment. Now, show me an example of a Palestinian article “What do you buy the children of the terror victim who was killed by a Palestinian terrorist?”. I think this will be an appropriate example to show how each side can sympathize with the innocent victims of the other side.

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        March 3, 2014, 10:57 am

        @MY Well, here’s just one…

        Dr. Izzeldin Abuelaish http://daughtersforlife.com/devdfl2013/

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUJ4fF2HN4

        But I believe Palestinian non-violence in general is their profound gift to you Israelis. The why and the fact that you spit on that gift at every turn is something you will have to ultimately reconcile with your own consciences, such that they may exist.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 3, 2014, 11:02 am

        @ Ritzl

        The Dr Abuelaish video is such a deep insight into the Zionist psyche. To channel 2 Jews presenting and watching the IDF is the people’s army, those nice Jewish boys, everybody’s sons and daughters, wonderful people.
        The IDF murder his family and the presenters ask “can the IDF in the area help you”.

        You’ve just had your shtetl wiped out by marauding Cossacks and you send a pigeon to the local landlord and he asks you can the Cossacks help by return pigeon.

      • Ecru
        Ecru
        March 3, 2014, 12:10 am

        @ MY1

        You’re like the rapist moaning about the scratches his victim inflicted during the struggle.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        March 3, 2014, 4:21 am

        @Ecru;

        I invite you to visit our cemeteries to meet more rapists.

      • Ecru
        Ecru
        March 3, 2014, 6:17 am

        @ MY1

        Can I bring my dancing shoes? The compassionless asking for compassion – you’ve gotta laugh.

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        March 3, 2014, 6:21 am

        @Kahane

        There is no parallel between the Palestinians and you, their oppressors.

        You have killed more innocents and committed more crimes.

        YOU are doing the occupying and colonizing and carrying out apartheid. Not the Palestinians.

        You insult the memory of the dead by equating the suffering of both sides when it is YOUR SIDE that has fragmented and wreaked havoc on Palestine.

        Israel killed more people in 2.5 weeks than ALL SUICIDE ATTACKS in 30 years.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 3, 2014, 4:18 pm

        Whine on, Mahane.
        Khalaas, ya’ni.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 3, 2014, 8:50 am

        >> The problem with Maya Wind and Eran Efrati is that they see only one side sufferings, have no ability to say something negative on the Palestinian side and close their eyes to our sufferings and victims. For them, like you, Israel is 100% wrong while the Palestinians and Arab countries are paragons of human rights.

        The problem with Zio-supremacists is their focus on the fact that the woman being held captive in the rapist’s basement and brutally assaulted by him on a regular basis is a prostitute and a drug user who lashes out at her captor and threatens to bring the law down on him should she ever get free.

        They refuse to acknowledge the fact that the rapist – despite being a well-respected member of the community – had / has no right:
        – to kidnap women;
        – to chain them in his basement; and
        – to repeatedly self-determine himself in them.

        And they get upset when people pick on the rapist without mentioning the victim’s shortcomings.

    • libra
      libra
      March 2, 2014, 1:55 pm

      Definitely hearing that twist more…”that Christian organizations are the real problem when it comes to Israel”…

      Surely it’s now clear to everyone that the whole Zionist farrago is masterminded by Tim ‘I’m a Christian’ Whatshisname from Arkansas?

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        March 3, 2014, 2:02 pm

        AIPAC is not a foreign lobby, it is a domestic lobby about a foreign policy issue. AIPAC would be a foreign lobby if the funding source were Israeli and there wasn’t meaningful domestic support.

        No, I’ve already supplied a link to the relevant chapter of the US code which explains that funding is not an essential element of the definition of the term “agent of a foreign principal” and that the terms can include anyone who complies with a request:

        any person who acts as an agent, representative, employee, or servant, or any person who acts in any other capacity at the order, request, or under the direction or control, of a foreign principal or of a person any of whose activities are directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized in whole or in major part by a foreign principal,

        We’ve had articles here about the fact that AIPAC introduced draft legislation on refugees written by Israeli MKs and lobbied for its adoption. There have been dozens of examples which illustrate that AIPAC functions as an agent of the State of Israel.

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      March 3, 2014, 6:41 am

      @Ritzl —

      Up 2 levels:

      What he glosses over, in his usual sugary way, is the fact that, particularly on this issue, it’s not so much about citizen petitions as it is about well-funded cloaking of the interests of a foreign government using the Constitutional terms of very legitimate and necessary citizen petition rights.

      To me, the foreign government aspects of what he poses is the actionable point, not the “lobbying” aspects. He’s really, really good at obscuring that distinction.

      AIPAC is not a foreign lobby, it is a domestic lobby about a foreign policy issue. AIPAC would be a foreign lobby if the funding source were Israeli and there wasn’t meaningful domestic support. For a real example Deutsche Telecom (T-Mobile is their USA brand) runs a lobby in the United States to influence US legislatures to support European telco positions in international bodies. Also for example to enforce regulations against Verizon and AT&T in terms of competition domestically. The funding comes from Deutsche Telecom, the control comes from Deutsche Telecom. T-Mobile’s employees except at the highest levels, and then only barely, have no voice in this lobby. There is simply no pretense that it represent American positions rather than representing Deutsche Telecom and European Operators more broadly.

      That is completely different than AIPAC. There money for AIPAC comes from American Jews not Israeli Jews. The positions AIPAC takes are those of the American Zionist Jews. They are able to shift votes (2012) being a good example which shows domestic support. More broadly AIPAC plugs into the neocon foreign policy establishment, which is American.

      AIPAC supporters if anything corrupt the Knesset, by supporting rightwing Israeli parties. AIPAC is arguably imperialism but it is not a foreign lobby. I think this charge comes from misunderstanding what a foreign lobby is. The American people really do have the right to believe we should have a better alliance with Israel, in the same way the American people have the right to believe we should have a better alliance with the UN and follow international law more closely (Human Rights Watch) we should care about 4th world people’s economic development (Oxfam) or we should support animals abroad (save the whales). None of those need register as foreign lobbies either because while they deal with a foreign topic is it Americans that hold the beliefs that drive them.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        March 3, 2014, 3:07 pm

        “AIPAC is not a foreign lobby, it is a domestic lobby about a foreign policy issue.”

        Nope. It’s a lobby of people with questionable loyalty that advocates for subsuming the US’s interests to that of a foreign state and alien people, in adherence to a racist ideology.

  3. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    March 2, 2014, 10:40 am

    The imbedding of the hexagram (star of david) inside a pentagram is a clever graphic. To label the pentagram as the star on the Christmas tree, when it is also the star that is on the American flag, seems to be putting a religious rather than a political spin on it.

    The entire Washington D.C. milieu with its lobbyists and lingo have been sufficiently skewered on “house of cards” and in Leibovich’s book “This Town”, that to the average observer the whole business stinks.

    I wish Netanyahu was serious about peace, so then all the energy of Aipac might be devoted in a positive direction. But combining my dubiousness regarding Netanyahu with the Washington milieu as described, adds up to great distaste.

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      March 2, 2014, 12:05 pm

      Fair enough Yonah, but my mind went right to the star my wife puts on her tree.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        March 2, 2014, 12:13 pm

        It looks like a variation on the AIPAC logo to me: stars and stripes and a star of David — Israel in the US, the US in Israel, one and the same, etc.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        March 4, 2014, 10:00 am

        The 5 pointed star (in white) is on every US air plane and many US military vehicles. The Jewish star is on the Israeli flag and many IDF vehicles.

      • Ecru
        Ecru
        March 3, 2014, 12:14 am

        Really? Mine went straight to the old symbol of the occult and demonology. Possibly a more apt linkage considering this is AIPAC and multiple politicians have sold their soul to it over the years?

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      March 2, 2014, 12:15 pm

      “To label the pentagram as the star on the Christmas tree, when it is also the star that is on the American flag, seems to be putting a religious rather than a political spin on it.”

      I agree. I don’t think it’s a Jewish star in a Christian star, but a zio/israeli star inside a USA star, which is much more chilling and freightening, especially to an American who does not wish this racist perversion of a state to exercise such dangerous influence and control over the USA.

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder
        March 2, 2014, 12:47 pm

        I wish I knew what specific image escaped my attention. Can you help me Woody?

  4. amigo
    amigo
    March 2, 2014, 10:44 am

    “Israel makes America safer, stronger and better,” AIPAC’s outgoing president Michael Kassen says in the opening speech.”Kassen.

    Do please elaborate mr kassen.

    Israel is upset because Obama has not been stronger in dealing with Putin.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/02/Netanyahu-s-Lesson-from-Ukraine-Don-t-Trust-Obama-on-Iran

    Geez, should he go to war with Russia because a bunch of Israel firsters and Nuttyahoo and co wish it so.

    Kick all these traitors out of the USA .

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      March 2, 2014, 8:09 pm

      Should read “Israel’s illegal actions undermines U.S. National Security as well as Israel’s”

  5. March 2, 2014, 10:56 am

    “Israel makes America safer, stronger and better,” AIPAC’s outgoing president Michael Kassen says in the opening speech ? I disagree, as do millions of Americans. The current Israel is making America unsafe, weaker around the world and worse in all respects. Israel is an embarrassment, a pariah and a rogue state supported by a lot of aggressive, ignorant, unsophisticated, and greedy people.

  6. Sycamores
    Sycamores
    March 2, 2014, 11:04 am

    Stephanie Westbrook tweets the following pictures

    i am ambitious i am aipac

    I am ambitious. #AIPACpride #AIPAC14 pic.twitter.com/dZKCwjXAfg— Stephanie Westbrook (@stephinrome) March 1, 2014

    i am a friend i am aipac

    I am a friend #AIPACpride pic.twitter.com/Qu2xm1DTdu— Nora BarrowsFriedman (@norabf) March 1, 2014

    • Sycamores
      Sycamores
      March 2, 2014, 11:08 am

      correction the second tweet was from Nora Barrows Friedman

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        March 2, 2014, 2:43 pm

        I didn’t see the star image as Christian. I have to admit that there has been a steady theme of mixing the US and Israeli flags. 5 pointed stars are on the US flag, so this AIPAC one can be a mix with the hexagram. I would not overanalyze it. 5 pointed stars are not necessarily Christian. If we were going to overanalyze it then we would look into how the longest prong of the star is downward pointing and then draw implications from that, which were probably not intended by the symbol’s designer.

        The ties are not crosses. The plus sign could be unusual considering it is not real popular in Israeli society. But then how else are you going to say “over 14,000” to an audience? By the way, the fact that AIPAC gets 14,000 attendees should probably be a bigger issue than their symbolism. That is ALOT of attendees and probably deserves a short MW article on the implications. I think competing groups would have a very hard time drawing a third of that number to Washington.

  7. Ira Glunts
    Ira Glunts
    March 2, 2014, 12:22 pm

    Does anyone remember Biden talking about an “infatada?” (sic). It is part of the AIPAC spoof video (1:06).
    http://youtu.be/dxKbzqwVGlg?t=1m6s

    I cannot find a reference to it on the Net. When was it? I think it must have been before 2005. Can anyone give a link?

    I wrote something called “A Big Infatada and Refried Beans” but that is no longer on the Net.

    All leads will be greatly appreciated.

    • tree
      tree
      March 2, 2014, 1:37 pm

      Did a quick search with “Biden infatada” and “infatada Biden” and came up empty, except for other people spelling intifada wrong. I also tried “Biden infitada” and “infitada Biden” and nothing leading to Biden misspeaking. “Infitada” seems to be the more common misspelling on the internet.

      I did come up with “infitada” being said by George Bush. Supposedly spoken on MSNBC in April, 2002.

      Dear Jerry, I was watching MSNBC last week, when I had the surreal experience of hearing President Bush, interviewed in Crawford, Texas by a British journalist, say something to the effect that Clinton’s failed peace effort led to the “INFITADA.” [Not the “intifada.”] I felt a wave of embarrassment for our country wash over me. For a moment, I wondered if I had heard correctly, but then I was subjected to another un-edifying moment when anchor Lester Holt asked a guest, “did Clinton’s peace effort, in fact, cause the Infitada?” At least they didn’t say “Infritata” or use the word “bodacious” in front of it…

      http://bushwatch.small-mobile-entities.com/english.more.htm

      I notice its not really a direct quote, just someone’s recollection. Here it is as a direct quote.

      “Clinton’s failed peace effort led to the Infitada”—Crawford, Texas, on MSNBC, April 2002

      http://sami.is.free.fr/Bushismsenglish.html

      Whether its an accurate quote or just a retelling of the recollection listed above I don’t know. It shows up a few places on the internet, all traced back to this incident I think.

      Don’t know if this helps or not. That’s all I found.

      • Ira Glunts
        Ira Glunts
        March 2, 2014, 2:25 pm

        Thanks tree, I bet I remembered it incorrectly and it was Bush. The Biden voice over at 1:06 did not exactly sound like “infitada,” but it jugged my memory and probably led to my attributing it to Biden.

        The 2002 date also validates my recollection.

      • tree
        tree
        March 2, 2014, 4:37 pm

        De nada, Ira. Happy to help.

      • just
        just
        March 2, 2014, 3:47 pm

        Dubya was a dangerous dolt, wasn’t he? I find it hilarious to this day that some think he was oh-so-smart, and that he actually was accepted and somehow graduated Yale and Harvard…

      • Daniel Rich
        Daniel Rich
        March 2, 2014, 7:41 pm

        @ tree,

        Q: “Biden infitada”

        R: I’m glad that you have branched out beyond the ‘Lion King’ … .)

  8. kalithea
    kalithea
    March 2, 2014, 12:36 pm

    This is far from a gesture of genuine “love” for Christians! No-no, this is nothing more than a piece of…ahem, crafty Zionist propaganda; a well-staged P.R. strategy to pull in Christians to Zionism’s loser, dark side. With 2.2 billion Christians in the world and condemnation and criticism of Israel and the injustice that is Zionism growing among Christians; Zionists realize that they need to move fast to dupe this vast resource of Christians into believing that the Apartheid system they created is a necessary…evil, tool to fulfill the dream of the Chosen which they pretend is divinely ordained.

    It’s true that the demographic threat looming over Zionism is greater, but in the short term, the prospect of a large majority of Christians taking up the banner of BDS to fight Zionism’s injustice represents an immediate challenge and threat that Zionists are well-aware of, can’t afford and makes them literally poop their pants, so much so, that they’re holding their nose to suck up to Christians and break bread more specifically with the rapture crowd.

    But where is the love and compassion for the downtrodden and the oppressed of Palestine? I doubt you’d find Jesus wining and dining at the Zionist convention while Palestine suffers!

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      March 3, 2014, 11:11 am

      “It’s true that the demographic threat looming over Zionism is greater”

      Nobody asked the bots to take over the 22% of Palestine it didn’t already control in 1967. They shot themselves in both feet and reloaded.
      Jewish sovereignty means taking responsibility to decisions taken.

  9. seafoid
    seafoid
    March 2, 2014, 1:04 pm

    “Israel makes America safer, stronger and better,” AIPAC’s outgoing president Michael Kassen says in the opening speech.

    “When you were a young boy
    Did you have a puppy
    That always followed you around”

    Israel is that puppy. It is always looking for money. And vetoes

    And it gets weaker every day
    Do I love you?
    No I don’t. I despise you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0wPrN_Y_4&list=RDjhkIh4x4mmM

    • Ecru
      Ecru
      March 3, 2014, 12:17 am

      Israel is that puppy. It is always looking for money. And vetoes

      And shitting on the carpet.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 3, 2014, 1:32 am

        It’s holy shit

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        March 3, 2014, 11:27 am

        “Israel is that puppy. It is always looking for money. And vetoes”

        Yeah, seafoid, Israel is the puppy. And you’re the young boy. And the like the young boys of Europe, who would rather not deal with the guilt and shame of allowing more than half of its Jews to die two generations ago, and young boys of the Arab world today, who can’t or won’t deal with their own internal problems, you’re interested in kicking the sh*t out of the puppy because it’s smaller than you are, and because young boys who feel a sense of powerlessness and inadequacy like to kick the sh*t out of things. It’s easier than growing up, and facing the music.

        But you know what the lyric in Les Mis says. Beware when the pup grows up.

      • Ecru
        Ecru
        March 4, 2014, 8:04 am

        @ Hoppy

        And the like the young boys of Europe, who would rather not deal with the guilt and shame of allowing more than half of its Jews to die two generations ago

        Oh the Holocaust? Is it alright to yawn now when Zionists bring this up?

        I for one Hoppy was born in the 1960’s so please explain to me how I should have ANY guilt about something that happened long before I was born. Go on I’m interested in your argument here because if you want to go for “genetically inherited guilt” then can we talk about who murdered Jesus? LOL.

        Also please explain how “Europe” allowed Jews to die while “Europe” was in the middle of the biggest war it’s ever had. A war fought against the regime that was murdering 12 million people (not all of whom by any stretch were Jews although we’ve already established that for you those people don’t count). Also this “genetic guilt” you love – does that also cover the people who helped Jews and others escape the Nazi’s? I mean they’re “European” too so are they covered by your laughable guilt trip? Does it also cover the Jews who the Nazis murdered? Were they not “European” Hoppy? These citizens of Germany, France, Poland etc? These people whose parents, grandparents, great-grandparents etc. had all been born and raised in “Europe?” Not European Hoppy? My wouldn’t you and Herr Hitler have been in accord.

        And please Hoppy, since it’s so obvious that had Hitler been after Palestinians instead of Jews you’d have been fighting other Zionists to be the first in line at the SS recruitment office, don’t try giving us that “European guilt” crap ’cause from you and those like you it’s as likely to fly as a solid brass turd.

        you’re interested in kicking the sh*t out of the puppy because it’s smaller than you are

        No Hoppy, people like “us” just admit that when a puppy has rabies it’s better not to let it infect any other puppies. Putting it down is in fact the most humane thing to do. Kicking puppies because they’re small and defenceless we’ll leave to the WaffenIDF and Zionazis like you. OK?]

        And are you ever going to admit you LIED about the survey on perceptions of anti-semitism in Europe or just going to stay silent about it until you try your usual dishonesty again?

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        March 4, 2014, 10:11 am

        ” And the like the young boys of Europe, who would rather not deal with the guilt and shame of allowing more than half of its Jews to die two generations ago”

        No one “allowed” anything. If you didn’t notice, you disgusting ingrate, fifty million people died to stop the force that killed those Jews, many of them “young boys of Europe.” And you, who isn’t fit to wash their feet, dares to spit on them and their memory?? Go fuck yourself, hoppy.

  10. Donald
    Donald
    March 2, 2014, 1:15 pm

    The woman with the Judea Samaria poster reminded me of this–

    Little Rock 1957

    Of course the 2014 woman isn’t yelling at anybody, but the underlying ideology isn’t that different.

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      March 2, 2014, 2:11 pm

      Wonderful. Thanks Donald.

    • just
      just
      March 2, 2014, 3:54 pm

      It’s chilling, Donald.

      Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        March 3, 2014, 4:20 pm

        Was outside the Aipac conference a few years back and was talking to a Palestinian fella who was describing his brothers being killed by Israeli’s. Noticed an Aipac attendee listening and sneering as the young Palestinian man was speaking. I turned around and asked him if he has heard the young man’s story and ” if the life of a Jew was more valuable than a Palestinians” Jeffrey Blankfort caught part of the exchange on camera an then asked my question again.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-6DTJgJrgY

    • tree
      tree
      March 2, 2014, 4:41 pm

      How about comparing the woman’s “Judea and Samaria” sign to this poster? Seems equivalent to me.

      http://0.tqn.com/d/atheism/1/0/L/z/2/WhiteAmerica-e.jpg

      Or this one:

      http://0.tqn.com/d/atheism/1/0/f/z/2/ConservativeSchool-e.jpg

      • Donald
        Donald
        March 2, 2014, 11:13 pm

        Tree’s posters are probably a closer analogy to the Judea and Samaria woman than my Little Rock one, though of course they all show a clueless sort of bigotry.

  11. Daniel Rich
    Daniel Rich
    March 2, 2014, 4:50 pm

    I am Pro-Consigliere

    I am CAPICHE

  12. RoHa
    RoHa
    March 2, 2014, 6:45 pm

    Grossly fat Christians from Arkansas support AIPAC!

    That’s really going to win over the hearts and minds of the world.

  13. annie
    annie
    March 2, 2014, 7:38 pm

    i’d like to interrupt this program with some exciting news. our publisher, who we are all very proud of:

    • just
      just
      March 2, 2014, 7:42 pm

      How very brilliant! Kudos!

      Thank you, Annie & Nima, and good luck to Scott & Jeremy!

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      March 2, 2014, 7:56 pm

      What fun! Kudos. Squelching along the red carpet! (I heard it was pouring down)

      • just
        just
        March 2, 2014, 8:32 pm

        Here’s hoping that “Dirty Wars” and “Omar” win!

        I am so glad that both were nominated. The times they are a- changin’!

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        March 4, 2014, 5:45 pm

        “Here’s hoping that “Dirty Wars” and “Omar” win!”

        Sadly, it didn’t happen. But I’m not surprised, especially about Omar. I read a few days ago an article that was an anonymous Academy voter who spread the damnable libel that the movie was (…come on, everyone, join with me, you all know the words…) “antisemitic.” I’ve no doubt that the zionist fifth column infestation of Hollywood is big enough that no movie that doesn’t fellate the donkey will have any chance of winning and that every movie from Palestine will be treated the way this anoymous piece of crap did.

  14. ritzl
    ritzl
    March 2, 2014, 8:12 pm

    The Christians United for Israel (CUFI; main Christian Zionist group) executive director, David Brog, is a committed Jewish Zionist. In his words…

    I am a Zionist today because the connection between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel is ancient, deep, unbroken, and unbreakable. I am a Zionist today because rarely in the course of human history has the bond between a people and a land been so strong and so profound and so central to that people’s very being. I am a Zionist today because Israel’s cause is just.

    http://www.facebook.com/notes/christians-united-for-israel-cufi/cufi-executive-director-david-brogs-blog-a-history-lesson-for-helen-thomas/10150198120625577

    This is not an original question, but in the Zionist tradition of using any and all means to advantage Israel, is it at all unreasonable to assume that CUFI is being explicitly steered/used to provide cover/plausible deniability for Brog’s version of Jewish Zionism? That use would seem to fit this imagery, and takes on greater importance in the face of the increasing exposure of AIPAC’s nakedly aggressive and single-minded tactics.

    I’m sure people here already are very much aware of this arrangement, but it’s yet another source of betrayal lurking just under the surface of “broad-based” US support for Israel. Trading fund-raising for sincere (right or wrong) belief.

    Dangerous game. Teetering, it is. Relevant context, imo.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      March 2, 2014, 11:00 pm

      CUFI was a Jewish zionist project, offered (iirc) to various household name pastors before being accepted by Hagee. So of course it’s designed to be ‘steered/used to provide cover/plausible deniability’ etc.

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        March 2, 2014, 11:56 pm

        I had no idea that it had been “shopped around.” Just when you thought you couldn’t get more cynical…

        That only heightens the betrayal aspect/swing, should the overtness of this manipulation become popular knowledge.

        But even if it does become popular knowledge, the whole, obviously-conned v. self-respect, justification thing comes into play. CUFI-types would have to question their “spiritual leaders.” That could be a precipitous change (maybe given the Presbys info-lead), but, living in the South, that’s not likely. I just don’t know.

        With the amount of info “out there,” the ratio of zealous, true-believers v. the simply, but changeably loyal may be smaller than the Brog-types imagine. It’s really hard to tell.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      March 3, 2014, 1:56 am

      “I am a Zionist today because rarely in the course of human history has the bond between a people and a land been so strong and so profound and so central to that people’s very being”

      That’s the sort of bullshit that can only fly in the US.
      Try any regional war anywhere to see how weak the bond is between the land and the people.

  15. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    March 2, 2014, 8:19 pm

    RE: “AIPAC reaches out to Christians with morphing Star of David”

    MY TAKE: The Softer Side of AIPAC!

    ELUCIDATION: AIPAC’s 2014 logos remind me of Sears’ “The Softer Side of Sears” ad campaign a couple of decades ago!

    1994 – Commercial – SEARS – Come see the softer side of Sears… [VIDEO, 00:38] – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czqRTFsVgY0

  16. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    March 2, 2014, 8:46 pm

    Can we declare March 7th, when Mr. Sara goes back home, a national holiday?

  17. thankgodimatheist
    thankgodimatheist
    March 2, 2014, 8:56 pm

    I am droll and can share a joke
    I am AIPAC
    http://mondoweiss.net/images/2010/05/settlers.jpg

  18. Citizen
    Citizen
    March 2, 2014, 9:10 pm

    Hey anybody here ever see an actual Hezbollah flag? They were waving today in all their rarity here–outside the AIPAC conference:
    http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/03/02/attendees-horrified-to-see-hezbollah-flags-waved-outside-aipac-policy-conference-video/

    • MahaneYehude1
      MahaneYehude1
      March 2, 2014, 10:48 pm

      Hey anybody here ever see an actual Hezbollah flag? They were waving today in all their rarity here–outside the AIPAC conference

      Hey, OK, the Hezbollah flags were waving outside the AIPAC conference, are you happy to see people holding terrorist organization flags in USA?

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        March 3, 2014, 9:40 am

        @ MahaneYehude1 klan:

        I’m not happy to see the flag of the terrorist state of Israel waving anywhere in USA.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        March 3, 2014, 10:24 am

        OK, Citizen, wish you more and more Hezbollah flags all over USA. You deserve them.

      • gamal
        gamal
        March 3, 2014, 9:05 pm

        let a christian sing to you about Hizbullah, I believe the first song is addressed to Zionists, we ready for that tough dialogue,

      • annie
        annie
        March 3, 2014, 11:24 pm

        gorgeous! they love hezbollah in lebanon, understandably. i highly recommend a trip to mleeta.

        fairuz’s son recently revealed in an interview she loved hezbollah and it cause quite a stir. but they are loved there. they protect people.

        look at the people standing and cheering. after years of occupation.

        thank you gamal.

      • Walid
        Walid
        March 4, 2014, 3:48 am

        Annie, Julia’s mother is an Armenian born in Palestine and her revolutionary music is inspired by Fairuz’ son, Ziad Rahbani. Another video of her from a few years earlier singing the plight of the Palestinians with French translation:

      • puppies
        puppies
        March 4, 2014, 4:44 am

        @Gamal, Walid – Finally song links that make sense. Thank you both!

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        March 3, 2014, 4:13 pm

        Yeah Citizen let’s be real about this…the U.S. has its own terrorist flag to wave here in the states. We did just invade a country based on totally false neocon intelligence(many of us tried to stop the invasion) and hundreds of thousands are dead. We have been involved in some serious crimes against humanity ourselves.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        March 3, 2014, 9:43 pm

        @ Kathleen
        I agree. Although I once served as a combat grunt, I don’t like the American flag either. For the same reasons; still, it’s even more annoying to me to see my life and treasure go to a foreign country sans my values, than to my own country, which itself has lost any value it had.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        March 4, 2014, 12:23 am

        @Annie:

        gorgeous! they love hezbollah in lebanon, understandably.

        Who are “they”? Do you believe all Lebanese’s love Hezbollah? This statement only confirm my old assumption: You don’t really know the reality in the ME. You are looking at us through a Israel hatred monocle. Before a trip to mleeta, I highly recommend you to sit and learn little about the region you supposed to know better than others.

      • annie
        annie
        March 4, 2014, 3:02 am

        Who are “they”?

        open your eyes and mind. look at the audience in the video

        You are looking .. through a.. hatred monocle.

        zzzzzzzzzzzzzz learn to communicate, i don’t operate from hate and know little about it personally. but if it’s something you crave to discuss, tell us about your own hatred(s). really, tell us of your own. don’t hypothesize about people you don’t even know.

        Before a trip to mleeta, I highly recommend you ..

        you’re too late, i’ve already been there.

      • Walid
        Walid
        March 4, 2014, 4:06 am

        “Who are “they”? Do you believe all Lebanese’s love Hezbollah? ”

        Of course not, Mahane, nobody’s perfect, but most Lebanese if at least they don’t love them, they respect and admire them very much because without Hizbullah, Lebanon would have ended up with squatter settlements all over the country, just like on the West Bank. You can say that about 15% of the people are against Hizbullah but they are so only because these people are pro-US and pro-Israel and have become anti-Iran and therefore anti-Syria and Hizbullah.

        Annie knows about Lebanon and its culture more than you imagine.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      March 3, 2014, 1:50 am

      Priceless. It must be a spoof
      eg Ilan Weinglass, Executive Director of the American Center for Democracy & Economic Warfare Institute

      “AIPAC delegates said they were horrified to see the Hezbollah flag, which is a rare sight.
      Pointing to the band of protesters at the convention center entrance, Ilan Weinglass, Executive Director of the American Center for Democracy & Economic Warfare Institute, said, “What they’re doing over there is legal, First Amendment, fine, but this is different.”
      “Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, which is not legal, and while waving their flag might not be illegal, it is certainly something we should worry about,” Weinglass said. “Waving their flag can be like a gateway to taking part in real terror, and that we must object to.”

      The two young men carrying the flags were not Lebanese, but American, and while they declined to be interviewed, one made a comment when asked why he chose to recreate, apparently with magic marker on yellow cloth, the Hezbollah flag.

      “Well you know, it’s the only real answer that Israel understands,” the Hezbollah flag waiver said.

      When an AIPAC delegate, who declined to be named for publication, asked the flag waver his reasoning behind his statement, he was told: “Israel invaded Lebanon, so Hezbollah is the resistance.””

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        March 4, 2014, 3:24 am

        @Annie;

        Don’t try to educate me, and stop supporting terror organization. Maybe today this organization stands with your positions (“they protect people…” LOL) since the target is Israel but who know the next target in the next day. Terror has no boundaries.

        If you already visited Mleeta, I recommend you other places like Dahia in Beyrouth, Syria, Afghanistan etc. There you can learn the meaning of human rights and return to preach us how to behave.

      • Walid
        Walid
        March 4, 2014, 4:25 am

        Mahane, Hizbullah’s target is not Israel, unless and until Israel decides to attack Lebanon. It’s currently fighting the sicko ultra fundies in Syria that Israel and its friends are funding and arming. If it wouldn’t have been for Hizbullah jumping into the war, Syria would have been already lost. You should be thankful to them for finishing off those crazies that Netanyahu has been absurdly funding as after Syria, they had planned on taking on Lebanon and Israel.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        March 4, 2014, 4:45 am

        “You should be thankful to them for finishing off those crazies that Netanyahu has been absurdly funding as after Syria, they had planned on taking on Lebanon and Israel.”

        Perhaps Netanyahu thought that, once the crazies had taken over Syria and Lebanon, and started attacking Israel, no-one would protest about Israel destroying them and seizing chunks of Syria and Lebanon.

        (Psssst! “If it wouldn’t have been for Hizbullah jumping into the war, Syria would have been already lost.”

        should be

        “If it hadn’t been for Hizbullah jumping into the war, Syria would have already been lost.”

        Not difficult.)

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        March 4, 2014, 6:18 am

        @Walid:

        I don’t call the Hizballah “terror organization” because its policy (good or bad for Israel, we can argue) but because the methods it uses. Maybe its actions in Syria is good, I don’t know, but I don’t think it keeps the international law and I do believe it kills many innocent people including women and children, like other organizations involve in the killing in Syria.

        BTW, when I first entered MW, I thought it is an anti-Israel policy web site and I thought I can convince people here that the conflict has two sides, no one is 100% right or wrong. With the time, unfortunately, I realize that this site is very extremist one, many here support terrorism and several other also anti-Semites although they won’t admit. I don’t say that all the participants are the same and I know that several are honest people but they are few. Most here are against peace and reconciliation, but want to see the end of the state of Israel no matter the methods or the cost.

      • Walid
        Walid
        March 4, 2014, 6:46 am

        “(Psssst! “If it wouldn’t have been for Hizbullah jumping into the war, Syria would have been already lost.”

        should be

        “If it hadn’t been for Hizbullah jumping into the war, Syria would have already been lost.”

        Not difficult.) (RoHa)

        Thanks for the pssst, RoHa. Knowing your vigilant eye is always there, I usually triple-check my comment before posting. Kidding aside, I actually appreciate being corrected as English is not my mother tongue and knowing you’re out there keeps me on my toes. That was the second time that you had to correct me on the same mistake in the last 2 years. Seems I’m doomed to keep repeating it but I’ll try to be more careful.

      • puppies
        puppies
        March 4, 2014, 4:36 am

        @Mahanyahu – That’s so sweet, an agent and practitioner of superlative terrorism, like you, calling others “terrorists”…

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 4, 2014, 4:59 am

        “If you already visited Mleeta, I recommend you other places like Dahia in Beyrouth, Syria, Afghanistan etc. There you can learn the meaning of human rights and return to preach us how to behave.”

        Treat the stranger as you wish to be treated, Mahanes. It’s there in all the yeshiva books. I pity you and your people.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        March 4, 2014, 9:29 am

        “Treat the stranger as you wish to be treated” you have to say it again and again to yourself and to MW’s readers and commenters.

        You are pity on me and my people? – Pikhhhhh!!!!

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 4, 2014, 10:05 am

        “You are pity on me and my people? – Pikhhhhh!!!!”

        Yes. Just look at that sentence. Think of how much education money has been diverted to YESHA.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        March 4, 2014, 9:09 am

        The key to understanding Hezbollah’s declaration of war on the US by attacking US (& French) troop barracks in Lebanon is that Reagan allowed the Israelis to invade Lebanon with US arms (to nab the PLO, inter alia), and pretty much do whatever they wanted there, including killing innocents, both directly and by proxy–the US troops got caught in the middle, and, although at first they conducted themselves in a balanced protector way amidst all the conflicting parties, and made friends with Arab kids, but gradually, after they succeeded in getting the PLO moved out (to Tunsia, I think), they singled out the Shia group indirectly supported by Iran. Bush Jr learned nothing from this mistake. http://middleeast.about.com/od/usmideastpolicy/a/me081026d_2.htmhttp://middleeast.about.com/od/usmideastpolicy/a/me081026d_2.htm

      • Walid
        Walid
        March 4, 2014, 4:11 am

        You could be right, seafoid, because Hizbullah wouldn’t have anything to do with such a stunt. The 2 guys didn’t seem to be walking within the small group of protesters carrying the Palestinian flags. Could be a Zionist gimmick to spook more people, especially Americans into endorsing whatever vile propositions AIPAC will come out with.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 4, 2014, 8:06 am

        Walid

        Do you know anywhere one can buy a Hizbollah tshirt ?
        I think they’re great. They really scare the bejaysus out of the IDF.

      • Walid
        Walid
        March 4, 2014, 8:54 am

        They’re sold in the city and the south. Doesn’t take much to scare the IDF; they’re brave only when facing women and children.

  19. seafoid
    seafoid
    March 3, 2014, 1:36 am

    “I am a ####. I am AIPAC” would be more like it.

  20. edwardm
    edwardm
    March 3, 2014, 2:54 am

    A partheid
    I njustice
    P oisoning
    A merican
    C onsciousness

  21. Citizen
    Citizen
    March 3, 2014, 9:52 am

    US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew at AIPAC yesterday: “The future of the US is tied 2 the future of Israel” http://disq.us/8heonv (tied to an Apartheid theocracy with nukes)

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      March 4, 2014, 8:08 am

      “The future of the US is tied 2 the future of Israel”

      That is just like Francois Hollande telling Ms Trierwiler he loved her.
      Pour toujours *

      *Offer subject to terms and conditions

  22. iResistDe4iAm
    iResistDe4iAm
    March 3, 2014, 9:55 am

    My parody: I am Christian. I am AIPAC

  23. Citizen
    Citizen
    March 3, 2014, 10:02 am

    CSPAN covers AIPAC conference live, starting today, Monday, at 5PM (EST I believe) with Kerry to speak about 615PM

  24. Citizen
    Citizen
    March 3, 2014, 10:32 am

    Mildly wounded, but undaunted, AIPAC’s zombies moves to Plan C to cox Congress to pressure Obama to attack Iran:
    http://www.lobelog.com/aipac-moves-to-plan-c-for-congress/

  25. Citizen
    Citizen
    March 3, 2014, 10:38 am

    Zionist groups urge Bibi N to lie to the stupid goy world today at the AIPAC conference by telling them Israel is not an occupier: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/178061#.UxSgq_3UbLQ

  26. Citizen
    Citizen
    March 3, 2014, 11:45 am

    Anybody here? Again, the US Secretary of Treasury, claims at AIPAC that the Future of the US is tied to the future of Israel; he claims that’s a good thing and every POTUS starting with Truman says so: http://www.blacklistednews.com/AIPAC%3A_Treasury_Secretary_Jack_Lew%3A_%22_The_future_of_the_United_States_is_tied_to_the_future_of_Israel.%22/33318/0/38/38/Y/M.html

    Maybe he needs to read the discussion on this blog about Truman’s decision to OK Israel (but not as a “Jewish State”)? Re that new book about Truman’s decision which, by simply stating the facts in ’48 WH, has garnered the label of “Anti-Semite”. Those facts have long been available; it’s just that the Zionists Americans want to keep it that way, being Dick and Jane don’t read much on foreign policy and its origins.

  27. JeffB
    JeffB
    March 4, 2014, 1:55 pm

    @Citizen —

    Upon independence from Great Britain, the United States “were bound to receive the law of nations, in its modern state of purity and refinement. Ware v. Hylton, 3 Dall. 199. 199, 281 (1796).

    No argument. The argument being made here by Hostage is that the law of nations as it exists today is to be so sacrosanct that 1st amendment protections should not apply and the government should be free to use financial (and he’s other times advocated for other means) to persecute such speech. That’s a huge huge difference than just adopting it into common law.

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      March 4, 2014, 4:10 pm

      The argument being made here by Hostage is that the law of nations as it exists today is to be so sacrosanct that 1st amendment protections should not apply and the government should be free to use financial (and he’s other times advocated for other means) to persecute such speech. That’s a huge huge difference than just adopting it into common law.

      Why don’t you stick to summarizing your own arguments? I said that the tax code does not permit tax exempt organizations to encourage or promote illegal acts, like federal war crimes and crimes against humanity, that are part of the customary law of nations. You said that lobbying organizations have a Constitutional right to petition the Congress for anything at all. I pointed out that the Supreme Court holds that lobbying is not protected by the right of petition and that the government and the individual states have a perfect right to regulate lobbyists and lobbying organizations.

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