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Muhammad Abu Khdeir’s Funeral

The funeral of 17 year old Muhammad Abu Khdeir, the boy who was abducted, brutally tortured, and burned to death, took place this morning.

The procession came under attack

The question of Who benefits? has reached the pages of Haaretz:

As well as taking advantage of the horrific murder of three Israeli teenagers to torpedo the Palestinian unity government and cut a swathe through Hamas, Israel’s government also used them as a particularly shoddy way of shoring up the bond between Israel and the Jewish Diaspora. . . .

But how much of this had anything to do with finding the three boys, whose fate was clearly known very soon after they were taken, I fail to understand. And there is something awfully distasteful about using this horror not only as an instrument of hasbara, or public diplomacy, but also for engineering Diaspora solidarity.

In the territories and across a surprisingly large spectrum of supporters of the Palestinian cause, there was a growing consensus that the whole affair was a false-flag operation. Qui bono, they asked – who benefits from these murders?

I don’t believe for a minute there’s an iota of truth in this absurd conspiracy theory. What I do ask, when I look at the hype and near-hysteria, the cruel succoring of false hope among family and community – is, who sought to benefit? Did the army or the government feed the families a baseless narrative that their children were still alive? If so, that’s unforgiveable.

I fear for what’s to come in the days ahead.

Perhaps we are now seeing the results of the ramping up of public emotion over the course of nearly three weeks in the reports of the first grisly revenge attacks (if you exclude the Palestinian casualties of the “search” operations from that category). These tragedies are a powerful and dangerous tool for nationalism.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is capitalizing on this horror to boost his public support. I guess that is what politicians do. But this cynicism in the name of Jewish unity, and in the name of the Diaspora, is sickening.

I grieve. Here is the story of one boy, just one Palestinian child.

This is Tareq, the 15 year old cousin of Muhammad Abu Khdeir.

Please, pray for Palestine.

Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is a mom, a human rights activist, and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area and likes to garden. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  1. Kay24 on July 4, 2014, 3:58 pm

    OMG what are these zionist butchers doing?

    They are the nazis of our times, the hatred for Palestinians have made them go berserk, and at the instigation of their PM taking their anger on ALL Palestinians, especially children. 1 Palestinian child killed every 3 days, that is a serious statistic.
    Damn the US congress for feeding this vicious monster, with aid and weapons, that are used on kids and unarmed civilians.

    • annie on July 4, 2014, 5:52 pm

      it just gets worse and worse

      if this is true, this is how he was burned alive. the sadism is almost unfathomable.

      • just on July 4, 2014, 5:58 pm

        Evil incarnate.


      • annie on July 4, 2014, 6:04 pm

        i saw a photograph of his charred mutilated body earlier today while i was drafting this article, but it was too horrendous, i could not post it. he was tortured first. there is a strong possibility the killer(s) followed the instructions of the rabbi.

        they must really want an intifada.

      • just on July 4, 2014, 6:12 pm

        I lay this on Netanyahu.

        To burn a body is sacrilege to Muslims…and to some Jews.

        To burn a body alive after kidnapping and torturing a person is a sacrilege to all of humanity.

      • seafoid on July 4, 2014, 6:19 pm

        Which rabbi ?

      • just on July 4, 2014, 6:23 pm

        I think Annie means this:

        “The secretary-general of World Bnei Akiva, Rabbi Noam Perel, called for revenge of the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens, the bodies of whom were found Monday.

        “An entire nation and thousands of years of history demand revenge,” Perel posted on his Facebook page, shortly after the bodies were found.

        “The government of Israel is gathering for a revenge meeting that isn’t a grief meeting. The landlord has gone mad at the sight of his sons’ bodies. A government that turns the army of searchers to an army of avengers, an army that will not stop at 300 Philistine foreskins,” Perel wrote, alluding to the biblical tale of David, who killed 200 Philistines and gave their foreskins to King Saul as the bride price for his daughter.

        “The disgrace will be paid for with the blood of the enemy, not with our tears,” Perel concluded. ”

      • seafoid on July 4, 2014, 6:27 pm

        @ Just

        I thought so but that guy didn’t mention petrol , at least not in what I read.

      • Shmuel on July 4, 2014, 6:45 pm

        I thought so but that guy didn’t mention petrol , at least not in what I read.

        I don’t know where David Sheen got the rest of his information (I saw one unconfirmed rumour that Mohammed may have died from a combination of beating and burns — terrible to write and terrible to think about), but Perel did not “call to cut off Palestinian foreskins” (and he can hardly be described as “top rabbis”). Perel called for bloody revenge and almost certainly mass murder, alluding to Saul’s revenge against the Philistines, exacted through David (1 Samuel 18:27). Bad enough without the gory embellishments.

        I get the feeling that David Sheen is angry and scared (so am I), but that in itself demands a little circumspection.

      • annie on July 4, 2014, 9:28 pm

        and he can hardly be described as “top rabbis”

        actually, i wrote a post about this and never finished it that morning. i was way too depressed. but i have it in draft ..

        Rabbi Noam Perel, Bnei Akiva’s Secretary-General, also the founder and head of Yeshivat Susiya high school in the Jewish settlement of Susiya near Hebron…the chief Rabbi of World Bnei Akiva, the largest religious Zionist youth organization in the world …
        [quoted him from haaretz link]..then

        Thus far there has been no mention that incitement of from the influential rabbi was connected to the revenge killing of 17 year old Muhammad Hussein Abu Khdeir.

        Astoundingly, after weeks of Israeli forces rampaging the West Bank and nights of air raids over Gaza Israeli leaders are now calling for “restraint” with Netanyahu issuing a statement against “taking the law into its own hands,” and  “Israel is a state of law and everybody is obligated to act according to the law,” at least until the facts surrounding Abu Khdeir’s murder become “clear”. Meanwhile, Haaretz reports it’ s likely “massive construction of thousands” of settlement housing units will be approved.

        and shmuel what else can “an army that will not stop at 300 Philistine foreskins,” mean?

      • wondering jew on July 4, 2014, 10:23 pm

        Yes, the price tag murderers of the teen, Muhammad Abu Khdeir, do want a third intifada. These people believe in violence and the use of Israel’s weapons without restraint and the more the Palestinians throw stones and riot, the sooner Israel will unleash greater firepower against them and that is what they want. (Some of them want to destroy the al aqsa mosque so you know those guys want some major fisticuffs with whomever messes with them.)

        This is not Netanyahu’s finest hour, but I do not lay the killing of Abu Khdeir at Netanyahu’s feet, unless by that you mean all the statements he had made up until the moment that the three settler teens were abducted and murdered. The hatred of Kahane types is not influenced by Netanyahu, except on a very minimal level. They are influenced by their rabbis and their friends and by their belief in vengeance as a virtue and violence as the sole means for Israel to rid itself of the echo of the submissive ghetto Jew. (For the record: I think “vengeance” is a very human trait and a very negative trait from a rational point of view. I do not believe that rationalism is ascendant in the region at the moment. Romantics might find something appealing to vengeance, but it is not a high virtue of our race, the human race. I think that Jews in Israel who support the need for a Jewish state in the vicinity of Jerusalem need to find a rational way for that state to survive and the hotheaded attitudes of those calling for vengeance are calls away from rationalism and towards nuttiness.)

        This rabbi is not a top rabbi, let alone top rabbis. If you made a list of the 100 top rabbis in the world, he would not be on it. Maybe he’d make the list of top 1000 rabbis or even top 250. Sheen calls him a top rabbi, because besides hating racism, Sheen hates rabbis.

        300 foreskins is like saying 300 scalps. Although the foreskins have a biblical resonance and a sexual resonance that 300 scalps does not have, but it is a call for murder and not for mutilation.

      • annie on July 4, 2014, 10:34 pm

        yonah, no one here called him a ‘top rabbi’. that said he either is or is not the chief rabbi of the largest religious Zionist youth organization in the world with over 150,000 members (youth)and 139 chapters world wide.

        so while he made not be considered a top rabbi, he is in a very influential position wrt youth looking up to him.

        so which is it?

      • Shmuel on July 5, 2014, 3:21 am


        I know who Perel is and what B’nei Akiva is (I used to be a member, and attended one of their high schools – the same one attended by both Avrum Burg and Hanan Porat). The movement and its leadership, like the national-religious camp in general, have long (but not always) been on the extreme, settler right-wing, although there are still some more moderate groups within the movement, particularly outside Israel (branches in Scandinavia, for example – and I presume others – have demanded Perel’s resignation). I was not underestimating the significance of Perel’s position within religious Zionism, but questioning David Sheen’s use of the plural (“rabbis”) and the qualifier “top”. Perel is not a “top rabbi” (although he holds an important leadership position within the religious community), but a run-of-the-mill, dime a dozen sort of rabbi, who used to run a religiously and academically insignificant little high school on the settlement of Susya.

        and shmuel what else can “an army that will not stop at 300 Philistine foreskins,” mean?

        It means mass murder (to be committed by the “Avenger’s Corps” Perel wants established), and Perel has said that he was not just speaking in the heat of the moment, but stands by his statement. The reference to “Philistine foreskins” is biblical bombast, nothing more, nothing less. Such Bible/rabbi-speak is immensely popular. Calling for mass murder is bad and dangerous enough, at a time when emotions (and opportunism) are running so high. Attributing calls for genital mutilation to “rabbis” is false and unnecessarily adds fuel to the fire.

      • SQ Debris on July 5, 2014, 2:09 pm

        Of course Israel wants an Intifadah. Israeli policy is about incitement. Think back to the first Intifadah, and the relentless killing and maiming of children. Israel knows that the MSM will rarely cover violence against Palestinians, even army killings of Palestinian children. And shooting off a Palestinian kid’s arm or leg? Not a chance that’s going to be news to anyone but the family. Thousands were maimed for life by the IDF during the first uprising. When the incitement succeeds, and an individual Palestinian responds with violence, then the MSM covers it in spades, cultivating the Eternal Victim narrative. Israel needs that victim status or the whole zio-narrative starts to shred. Netanyahoo is praying for violence perpetrated by Palestinians. One could pontificate from afar about the importance of non-violence, but let’s face it, non-violence doesn’t have much teeth in a concentration camp.

  2. just on July 4, 2014, 4:00 pm

    I am, Annie.

    I have always done so, and I always will.

    Sheera Frenkel’s report is great…

    (You know, I felt almost guilty looking at the clear blue sky this morning and for being free. I remember how very lucky I am, and how so many are suffering, and I thank the stars above.)

  3. justicewillprevail on July 4, 2014, 4:14 pm

    It is insufferable that people can be so cruel, heartless and vindictive as the Israelis. How is it possible that they can keep anybody on their side with the welter of evidence about their systematic, deliberate torture of innocent people and in particular children? They should be ostracised from all contact until they acknowledge and implement equal human rights in their squatter’s dystopia.

    • Justpassingby on July 4, 2014, 5:06 pm

      I also wonder how israel always win, how can people be so ignorant that they dont see this? Heck it only takes a quick google search to learn about this sadism!

      • Kay24 on July 4, 2014, 5:23 pm

        They see it I am sure, but lobbies and AIPAC have made sure, that either they are in Israel’s debt, by contributing to their campaigns, or afraid to criticize for fear of accusations of anti-semitism. The media is well known for being controlled and if one looks at the owners. you will find many pro Israel individuals. So they pretend they are deaf and blind. It is a master plan that has taken years to put in place, and hey, it is now working. If you want to succeed in hollywood, politics or media – kiss Israel’s butt and toe the line…..success!

    • Daniel Rich on July 4, 2014, 7:07 pm

      @ justicewillprevail,

      Q: It is insufferable that people can be so cruel, heartless and vindictive as the Israelis.

      R: It is not fair to single out Israelis as being the only ones who can be cruel, heartless and vindictive.

      Odessa – Ukraine.

      Rwanda: a scene from the genocide.

      Srebrenica Genocide.

      It is good to be vigilant, but one should always strife to remain honest.

      • just on July 4, 2014, 7:40 pm

        Yes Daniel– but the US heartily and readily condemns those other multitudinous crimes.

        On the other hand, the US does not condemn Israeli crimes. Never. And we give them billions.

      • Stephen Shenfield on July 4, 2014, 8:15 pm

        Ukraine and Palestine are comparable, as in both cases Western governments are funding torturers and murderers and Western media are suppressing news of the terrible things that are happening (I comment on the Ukrainian case at

      • Citizen on July 5, 2014, 4:54 pm

        US is supporting what are essentially fascist factions in both Ukraine and Israel. Americans (and Germans) need to wake up! Israel is NOT worthy of support.

      • Daniel Rich on July 4, 2014, 8:17 pm

        @ just,

        We’ve killed millions more [Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, etc.] so PA 1600 can’t say JS. It’s up to individuals like you, me and every other human being whose soul hasn’t been ripped to shreds, to try to get the truth out and defend justice.

        I am very, very critical of what the Apartheid State does, but justice comes from a balanced mind [not mine, rest assured] and as such should not see the world as ‘us’ versus ‘them.’ It’s tough not to become emotional [as I can feel it myself], however, fear, anger and hate are the worst ‘advisers’ to whisper in one’s ear, as they push toward darkness in a place where light is so much longed for.

      • SQ Debris on July 5, 2014, 2:22 pm

        Look Daniel, the war on the physical and cultural presence of Palestinians in Palestine (and beyond) is a U.S. war. It’s got three prongs: Israel receives more foreign aid than any country on earth, Israel receives the most deadly weapons that the U.S. can manufacture including a pass on nuclear weapons, and the U.S. throws it’s security council veto to protect Israel against the force of international law and the will of the international community. This is not “just one more conflict.” It’s been at the heart of U.S. foreign policy for generations. Your jibe that “It is not fair to single out Israelis” is absurd. The U.S. has already singled out Israel for impunity. We voting, tax paying, Americans are all complicit. As Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel said, “In a democracy some are guilty, but all are responsible.” Looking backward toward Cambodia is the politics of distraction.

      • Citizen on July 4, 2014, 8:45 pm

        @ just
        The US gives more freebies to Israel than to any other country, way more than the annual direct dollars at $8.5 M per day. And Israel is always praising its own democracy. I guess Daniel Rich doesn’t see this irony.

      • Djinn on July 4, 2014, 11:40 pm

        The US never ever condemns it’s own crimes either and while the amount of money given to Israel is obscene it is utterly dwarfed by the money spent by the US to destroy Iraq.

      • annie on July 4, 2014, 11:52 pm

        i know, trillions. we committed genocide there, imho.

      • Feathers on July 5, 2014, 1:54 am

        One way to maintain the balance that Daniel Rich advises is by spotlighting the “good guys”. I make lists of those American thought leaders whose voices I wish were heard more often than those who appear to control American foreign policy.

        Andrew Bacevich, Chas Freeman, and Flynt and Hillary Leverett are on that list.

      • Citizen on July 5, 2014, 9:02 am

        @ Djinn
        I agree, and I protest in every way I can US interventionist policy in the ME; US foreign policy, especially since 9/11, does not mirror the best American values; instead, looks to me like it mirrors Israel’s values. Our politicians and main media pundits ever praise that reflection. The whole world outside of the USA sees US government hypocrisy for what it is, just as the world sees Israel’s governmental hypocrisy. If I could check a box that kept my taxes due money from the US military industrial security complex and from Israel, I would check it ASAP.

        At the moment, I also totally object to what the US is doing in Ukraine with my tax dollars.

      • Kris on July 4, 2014, 9:25 pm

        I think it’s not only fair, but necessary, to single out Israelis.

        Fair because our tax dollars help finance their cruelty, and our government protects them for the consequences of their actions. And because U.S. Zionists, who are Israel’s enablers, have a very disproportionate influence in our government and media.

        Necessary because so many U.S. Jews, many of whom are P.E.P. (progressive except Israel), work hard at not recognizing what Israel is doing in their name. I have wonderful liberal Jewish friends (or I used to have these friends; now they are acquaintances) who would not only be horrified, they would be galvanized into action, if anyone other than Jews were committing these crimes against humanity for the past 60+ decades.

        But when Israel commits ethnic cleansing, murders, everything we read about here daily, these Jewish friends of mine just can’t process it. “Oh, those crazy Israelis!” they say, or “Well, it’s complicated.”

        But it wasn’t “complicated” when they put their lives on the line during Freedom Summer, and it’s not “complicated” as they try to help illegal immigrants from Latin America. And they don’t dismiss racist actions here with a shrug and a fond, “Oh, those crazy Klansmen.”

      • Daniel Rich on July 4, 2014, 10:08 pm

        @ Kris,

        I can’t disagree with a word you are saying.

        My impression is that you are more fed up with those of us who don’t criticize Israel’s horrendous crimes against humanity [Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims], no?

        Anyone has every right to be critical, but the criticism should not be served in one of Lady Justice’s dented bowls [imho].

        My pov is that the Apartheid State doesn’t have the exclusive right to be a violent, aggressive and deadly entity. Whenever the Apartheid State is in the wrong, I will speak out, but likewise, you will hear my voice if I think accusations against it are not entirely fair.

        I don’t claim to be right, this is simply my way of trying to achieve that elusive thing better known as ‘a balanced view.’

      • RoHa on July 4, 2014, 11:07 pm

        What is the point of this “balance” you want?

        Israel’s crimes are not mitigated in the least by the crimes of the Ukrainian junta. Nor is our condemnation of them any less justified if we neglect to mention the killing fields of Cambodia. So why are you so concerned about us “singling out” Israel?

      • crone on July 5, 2014, 12:00 am


        I hear or I think I hear the message you are conveying… but the problem here is a group of people have been allowed for decades to treat another group of people anyway they choose, and go completely unpunished for it. Additionally, the perpetrators of these crimes believe them not to be crimes, but their God given right.

        Israel is unique in that respect, and I don’t see how it can be denied.

        Ironic isn’t it? That Israelis call Palestinians ‘animals’?

      • Citizen on July 5, 2014, 9:21 am

        @ crone
        Additionally, as others have pointed out here already, the US gives more free money to Israel than to any other country–with interest and totally sans conditions–there’s no reciprocity at all that is not heavily weighted to benefit Israel at US cost in blood and treasure! Whataboutism never addresses this unique situation. We don’t have normal, that is, arms-length relations, with Israel. The analogy is the psychiatrist’s definition of enmeshment. It’s not healthy for USA or Israel. Add up all the US memorandums of understanding with Israel. Start with the USA’s very first FTA, which was with Israel, and which was made due to fact US negotiation team was made ineffectual due to some US Jews giving the US game plan to Israel, thus undercutting US power.
        The US doesn’t even have a mutual defense pact with Israel–compare our more traditional allies’ relationship. The US congress still lets that first FTA stand, even though it harms the US in so many ways, and was wrought by traitors to the USA.

      • Feathers on July 5, 2014, 3:00 am
      • Daniel Rich on July 5, 2014, 4:51 am

        @RoHa、crone & Feathers,

        It is not about the singling out of the Apartheid State, it is about the notion as if the Apartheid State is the only [non-defined] ‘country’ on the planet that commits heinous crimes.

        I’ve given up on Israel. I want the project to be discontinued in the ME and kick started in Florida. Sun and beaches, protected by the ocean, a friend who has your back and we don’t need to send any money or arms any longer.

        A win-win situation if you ask me.

        To have to witness this every day is becoming mind-numbing and the inability to change much about it [governments make the decisions] increasingly frustrating.

        Not that I’m about to give up, but enough already.

      • RoHa on July 5, 2014, 5:27 am

        You want the same sort of thing to be done in Florida? Whatever for?

      • Feathers on July 5, 2014, 9:04 am

        The problem with your irenic proposal is that it rewards Israel for sixty years of criminal behavior that has destroyed the lives and futures of millions of innocent people.

        And why would the USA or Florida want a colony of such brainwashed ideologues in its environs? Your argument is, “Israelis act this way because they are in the Holy Land. Take them out of the Holy Land, put them in some of the most desirable geography in USA, problem solved.”

        Zionism is a real estate-specific ideology. Where would Jerusalem be?

        Are you sure the situation would be a win-win? How would Jewish leaders and even Jewish young people who have been raised on years of believing they are in charge, and they are superior, respond to living in a federation and a state where they have no military of their own; where they are required to comply with rules that they do not have complete control over, etc?

        Would Hebrew be their national language? Ooops, national — what does that mean? Would Jews still be a people? Would their identity be somehow different from their surrounding Floridians?

        “The problem is not in our stars but in ourselves” — or, in centuries-long ideological indoctrination. THAT is what has to change.

        As much as I abhor the Nazi comparison, recall a comment Norman Finkelstein made in a videod conversation with a Lebanese journalist after 2006. He compared Israel to Germany, noted that both had powerful militaries; that Germany suffered defeat and was now “the most morally conscientious of all states.” He continued, “Israel must suffer a defeat, to bring them to their senses.”

        I would add, Then, Israel must be de-zionized and must live under occupation for a hundred years, just as Germany was forced to do.

      • Feathers on July 5, 2014, 9:57 am
      • American on July 5, 2014, 12:56 pm

        Daniel Rich says:

        July 5, 2014 at 4:51 am

        @RoHa、crone & Feathers,

        It is not about the singling out of the Apartheid State, it is about the notion as if the Apartheid State is the only [non-defined] ‘country’ on the planet that commits heinous crimes.

        I’ve given up on Israel. I want the project to be discontinued in the ME and kick started in Florida. Sun and beaches, protected by the ocean, a friend who has your back and we don’t need to send any money or arms any longer”>>>>>>>>>>

        Do not bring any more of your zionist cult to the USA.
        I’d rather see blood run in the streets of America than be ‘a friend who has your back’ to this sick vicious cult .
        Herzl was right after all—you do need to be seperate from all others.

  4. MHughes976 on July 4, 2014, 4:21 pm

    Mind you, it’s ‘cui bono?’ -‘to whom is this for advantage?’ not ‘qui’.

  5. Justpassingby on July 4, 2014, 4:31 pm

    Israel brainwashing its kids with racism. Sick society!

    • Citizen on July 4, 2014, 8:47 pm

      More sick is the brainwashing of Americans, the enabling power.

  6. annie on July 4, 2014, 4:36 pm

    i wonder how many other cousins of Muhammad Abu Khdeir will get their faces smashed in. punishment for the family not agreeing to sign fake papers claiming his murder was part of a family feud?

    what kind of sadist cops do this to a child’s face.

    • just on July 4, 2014, 4:45 pm

      “what kind of sadist cops do this to a child’s face.”

      A sociopathic sadist who cannot “see” the child or the Palestinian.

    • ritzl on July 4, 2014, 5:21 pm

      Aye, and who the f-k tear gasses a funeral procession under these tense circumstances? Back off and let it pass.

      The Israelis simply cannot abide free and/or peaceful Palestinians in any way shape or form. They must dominate and torment them for no other reason than to watch them “dance.” It’s really bizarre in a tiresome, everyone’s noticed by now, sort of way.

      From the business/SODA perspective, who in their right mind would choose to do business with people from a society that celebrates this kind of pervasive abnormality. As soon as you signed a deal they’d be looking for a way to screw you. Screw you like they would screw a Palestinian. It’s their social DNA, political DNA, business DNA, legal DNA, — i.e. their approach to everything.

      Teva’s routine drug patent infringement, mislabeling the origin of settlement products, broadcasting free World Cup into somebody else’s franchise territory, fleecing disabled New Zealanders for $10K worth of illegal beauty products at mall kiosks, etc. (We could probably make a very long list.) It’s all related to, and inseparable from, how Israel treats Palestinians.

      • annie on July 4, 2014, 6:02 pm

        and who the f-k tear gasses a funeral procession under these tense circumstances?

        here’s rudoren’s rendition:

        The funeral was accompanied by some clashes between mourners and Israeli security forces that injured some mourners and police officers.

        accompanied by some clashes between mourners and Israeli security forces? israel attacked the funeral procession!!!

      • hophmi on July 6, 2014, 12:45 pm

        Who uses a funeral procession as cover to throw rocks?

      • Woody Tanaka on July 6, 2014, 1:08 pm

        “Who uses a funeral procession as cover to throw rocks?”

        No, you racist, the “police” barbarically attacked a funeral procession. The Zionist Human Animals first attacked and burned this kid alive and then don’t even have the basic humanity to let them bury him in peace.

      • adele on July 6, 2014, 1:11 pm

        The people you oppress, that is who. If Israel didn’t want to provoke further violence, they could have kept their police & soldiers away from the funeral so that the family & community could have mourned and buried Mohammad Abu Khdeir in peace and dignity. I don’t recall the PA forces being on the scene menacing the mourners at the funeral of Naftali, Gilad and Eyal, do you?

        *Categorize under —>Silly Questions

      • tree on July 6, 2014, 2:35 pm

        Who uses a funeral procession as cover to throw rocks?

        Jewish settlers did it at least twice in Hebron in 2003. Actually, they did worse. Besides attacking Palestinian homes and cars. setting one home on fire, they also shot and killed a 14 year old Palestinian girl as she was sitting on a staircase at her home and wounded several other Palestinians in the first instance.

        Fourteen-year-old Niveen Jamjoum, shot dead in violence that began during the funeral procession for a Jewish settler on Sunday, was buried here today in a small cemetery behind a school.

        ”Farewell, sister,” cried Marwan Jamjoum, 25, as the teenager’s body was lowered into the ground, shrouded in a bloodstained sheet. ”The girl is gone.”

        Ms. Jamjoum, the youngest of nine children, was shot as she sat on a staircase while Jewish settlers hurled stones and opened fire at Arab homes during the funeral for Elazar Leibovich. He was a sergeant in the Israeli Army and among four settlers who were killed by Palestinian gunmen in a roadside ambush on Friday.

        According to Israeli sources some Palestinians threw stones at the earlier procession, triggering what Israeli newspapers called a “rampage” by the settlers. During the second instance, Palestinians in Hebron were under close curfew, to protect them, according to the IDF, during the funeral procession, but it didn’t stop the “mourners” from attacking several Palestinian homes along the route, or even entering and ransacking one. Notice that the IDF didn’t feel the need to fire tear gas at the Jewish procession, despite the fact that there was considerable rock throwing by Jewish settlers that did damage to Palestinian homes. In fact the IDF did nothing to stop the Jewish violence. Luckily no one was killed during this rampage.

        Second instance:

        HEBRON, West Bank — Hurling rocks and calling for revenge, Jewish settlers attacked Palestinian-owned homes on the outskirts of Hebron yesterday during the funeral of a militant settler killed by Palestinian gunmen at an illegal settlement outpost Friday night.

        The violence erupted as hundreds of mourners, many of them armed, gathered outside the settlement town of Kiryat Arba, near Hebron, to pay tribute to the slain settler, Netanel Ozeri, 34. He was killed by gunmen from the militant group Hamas when he answered their knock at the door during a Sabbath dinner with his family at their hilltop outpost about a mile away.

        Ozeri, a father of five, was a member of the outlawed extremist anti-Arab group known as Kach. He had set up the outpost on land Palestinians say is theirs in defiance of Israeli court orders to halt construction and clear the area pending a ruling on ownership.

        As settlers carried the stretcher holding Ozeri’s body from the outpost yesterday afternoon, other settlers attacked Palestinian-owned homes along the way, heaving rocks and smashing windows while Israeli soldiers did little to stop them.

        And then of course there was the racist march in Jerusalem a few days ago that coincided with the funeral for the 3 Israeli Jewish teens.

      • seafoid on July 4, 2014, 6:17 pm

        Israel has the colonial problem that south Africa had. All of that behavior makes sense in Hebrew and did in SA but the world moved on. It goes real deep too. Even the signposts in the West Bank, for example. First language is Hebrew. Jews are superior. And that is the meme the education system runs on. Very hard to change 70 years of programming. Very hard to think outside the language.

        And they are so dependent on the outside world. They can’t keep their own culture and our culture simultaneously happy. And they have pumped so much money into YESHA. They could have invested it in Israel. It’s too late to change now, they probably think. But they have no choice. And they have made a mockery of their Judaism. Who cares if the meat and dairy are separate? They missed the big picture.

    • Kay24 on July 4, 2014, 5:28 pm

      I do not blame them for wanting to throw rocks and send rockets.
      Had this been my son, my brother, my loved one, I would feel exactly the same.

      • SQ Debris on July 5, 2014, 2:27 pm

        To quote a member of the Christian Peacemakers Team, “If Americans were treated like this we’d blow up the planet.”

  7. CloakAndDagger on July 4, 2014, 4:58 pm

    4th of July is an appropriate time to ponder our liberty and those who do not have any semblance of liberty. Worse yet, how does this nation that touts its liberty, aid and abet another criminal nation as it tramples the liberty of those that it occupies.

    I curse those in our government who enable Israel to commit these atrocities, and also those who sit by without raising a finger to stop this. I curse all our venal politicians that have betrayed humanity and even the nation that elected them. May they never see a peaceful night’s sleep or tolerate their face in a mirror.

    So, it is not a prayer that I offer, after all what value is the prayer of an atheist?

    Instead, to all those in the seats of power in our government, I quote Captain Ahab:

    to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee.

    • Kay24 on July 4, 2014, 5:27 pm

      I agree, it is hard to celebrate our independence and liberty, when you realize that our money goes to enabling zionist nazis, who make sure the Palestinians keep living in terror and in eternal fear.

    • crone on July 5, 2014, 12:19 am

      Celebration? You’re right, what is there to celebrate? The USG is killing people all over the planet… it in no way resembles the illusion some are celebrating today. The USG is Fascist… so indeed , how can one expect it to call out another Fascist State?
      What can we do? About Palestine? About the USG?

      Question, for our Jewish posters: Are Israeli youths taught that they are superior, that Palestinians are sub-human? I ask that because it is sometimes said to be so by someone posting online, and I have questioned it.

      • PeterAgur on July 5, 2014, 4:54 pm

        Crone – in the non-religious public school system, which i attended (and AFIAK is still where the majority of people go to school), the answer is a resounding no. However, Israel has several different streams of “public education” with varying degrees of religiousness. And while hopefully it’s not quite as explicit as you put it, my understanding is that yes, unfortunately, the atmosphere in the religious schools is that Palestinian rights are secondary to those of Jews, if they exist at all. These schools are well funded by the Israeli government, and we’re seeing the vile product of their indoctrination now.
        On the positive side, if one wishes to be optimistic, this actually is the focus of much debate in Israel, with more and more Israelis challenging this system of state funded religious indoctrination.

  8. Sycamores on July 4, 2014, 5:00 pm

    sickening brutality, unforgivable. israel is not complicated it’s simply a racist cesspit

  9. a blah chick on July 4, 2014, 5:14 pm

    What kind of human animal could look the distressed parents of the 3 kidnapped youths in the eye and tell them that the shots they heard on the phone recording were blanks?

    If that were me I’d be sitting in a jail cell for attempted murder.

  10. ritzl on July 4, 2014, 5:24 pm

    Tweeted the pix. Sick shit.

  11. Woody Tanaka on July 4, 2014, 5:24 pm

    EI and 972 have stories of the Israeli “police” in attacking the funeral (after letting the Jewish Nazis chant “desth to Arabs”) and in beating a bound Palestinian. Israel is a diseased society filled with diseased people. All of the politicians in charge, the terror forces (I”d”F and “police” as well), I say damn them all.

    • a blah chick on July 4, 2014, 6:15 pm

      972mag also had some footage shot on a bus in Tel Aviv showing passengers trying to assault an Arab man. 3 employees from the defense ministry who are on the bus try to protect him with limited success.

      Also the writer Sayed Kashua said in his column today that he is leaving Jerusalem and not coming back. In fact he may not return to Israel after his year long sabbatical in Chicago.

      May I extend a premature welcome to you, Mr Kashua. Chicago is a great town.

      • seafoid on July 4, 2014, 6:26 pm

        Why Sayed Kashua is leaving Jerusalem and never coming back
        “I will do whatever it takes not to come back here. I really have to work on my English over there. I absolutely have to start reading and writing only in English. I will use the year ahead while I’m teaching to adopt a new language for my writing. I know it’s not easy – I’ve already gone through it with Hebrew – but there’s no choice. I don’t know how much longer I can go on writing in Hebrew, I don’t know how many Hebrew speakers will still want to listen to me; I’m not sure there will be any point left to addressing them.

        I will write in English, I will start to write love stories, the weather will become a major event in the plot, the snow will be a central character. I will write in English about the experiences of a migrant in a new country, about a political asylum seeker, about refugees from war.

        I will write in English about the country I abandoned, I will try to write the truth, I will try to be accurate about the details in the hope that someone over there will believe me that this really happened. I will write about a far-off land in which children are shot, slaughtered, buried and burned, and the readers will probably think I am a fantasy writer.

        But, hey, who said I have to write at all? I will do a little university teaching and then I’ll find a job. I can do anything, I don’t care. I’m ready to wash dishes, change tires and clean toilets.

        I can be a taxi driver and live modestly in a small town; I will be a polite driver with an accent. If the passengers talk to me, I will answer them. And if they ask where the accent’s from and what country I’m from, I will tell them that I come from a scary place where people in suits and uniforms call on the masses to hate, kill, plunder and take revenge – sometimes in the name of religion, sometimes in the name of God, and all for the sake of the children’s future.

        In the taxi I will only listen to music – even country music, for all I care – but never to the news. I mustn’t know who the politicians in the new place are, mustn’t know the names of the reporters, the anchors and the commentators, mustn’t take an interest in their opinions, their viewpoints or their world views. I will do my best to be a perpetual tourist there. Not to take things to heart, never to feel that I belong.

        My children will soon be home and I will take them to Tira. I don’t want to stay here another minute. I will call the travel agent, maybe she can get us out of here tomorrow. My wife will scream that she has committed to working until the end of the month. She can stay here if she wants, she can join us next month.

        “What don’t you understand?” I said to her when I begged her not to go to work. “It’s over.”

        “Have you lost it?” she shouted back at me. “What in the blazes is over?”

        I was silent, knowing that my attempt at living together with others in this country was over. That the lie I’d told my children about a future in which Arabs and Jews share the country equally was over.

        I wanted to say to my wife that this is really the end, it’s finished. That I’d lost my small war, that everything people had told me since I was a teenager was coming true before my eyes. That all those who told me that there is a difference between blood and blood, between one person and another person, were right. That all those who told me that I have no place other than Tira spoke the truth.

        But all I said to her was, “Good luck at work,” apologized for my exaggerated fears, and added that I was sure everything would be all right.

        The children will soon be back from day camp and I will take them far away from here. Right now, though, I’m home with my firstborn daughter. She’s angry and has closeted herself in her room. I knock gently on the door, but she doesn’t answer.

        She’s sitting on her bed with her computer. I sit down next to her on the bed, knowing I’m about to tell her what my father told me when I was a boy her age. It was my first day at a Jerusalem boarding school, where only Hebrew was spoken. My father drove me there from Tira, and a moment before parting from me, at the entrance to the school, he said, “Remember that for them you will always, but always, be an Arab, understand?”
        “I understand,” my daughter said and hugged me close, “I understood it already by myself.” ”

      • just on July 4, 2014, 6:37 pm

        A most remarkable article by Sayed. I certainly could not/would not live in Israel. Thanks for sharing it.

      • Shmuel on July 4, 2014, 7:05 pm

        Not to take things to heart, never to feel that I belong.

        It helps a little, but your heart will still be over there. You will continue to “write about a far-off land in which children are shot, slaughtered, buried and burned”, and the readers will think you are a fantasy writer — or worse, a liar.

        And an apocalyptic piece, by Chemi Shalev:

        … But make no mistake: the gangs of Jewish ruffians man-hunting for Arabs are no aberration. Theirs was not a one-time outpouring of uncontrollable rage following the discovery of the bodies of the three kidnapped students. Their inflamed hatred does not exist in a vacuum: it is an ongoing presence, growing by the day, encompassing ever larger segments of Israeli society, nurtured in a public environment of resentment, insularity and victimhood, fostered and fed by politicians and pundits – some cynical, some sincere – who have grown weary of democracy and its foibles and who long for an Israel, not to put too fine a point on it, of one state, one nation and, somewhere down the line, one leader. …

      • just on July 4, 2014, 7:13 pm

        That piece by Shalev is, um, sobering to say the least.

  12. nettee on July 4, 2014, 5:40 pm

    Unbearably sad with no end in sight.
    My Zionist brainwashing is finally at an end.
    I’ve come through and totally reject the Zionist project.
    Poor,poor people and the children….

    As someone remarked in French:
    “Ce petite pays DE MERDE”(hope I’ve spelt it right!)

    • Walid on July 5, 2014, 8:08 am

      ““Ce petite pays DE MERDE”(hope I’ve spelt it right!)”

      All right except for the word “petite”. “Pays” is masculine so the adjective must also be masculine, or “petit” rather than “petite”.

      About that someone: That little jewel of a phrase translated into “shitty little country” was dropped at a 2001 dinner party in London hosted by Lord Black of Crossharbour owner of the Daily Telegraph. Chatting with Lord Black about the then current world crisis, France’s Ambassador Daniel Bernard told him that the crisis had been provoked by Israel, that “shitty little country”. The next day, Lord Black’s wife, the writer Barbara Amiel in a column in the Telegraph mentioned without naming him that the remark had been made by a European Ambassador. But the Jews of London all knew who she meant and they formally objected to France. Ambassador Bernard could not remember having said those words and the Quai d’Orsay issued a statement denying the accusations saying they were malicious rumours.

  13. seafoid on July 4, 2014, 5:41 pm

    We should really pray for Israel. It is not going to end well. Danon, Bibi and co are playing with the future of their country.

    • adele on July 4, 2014, 6:58 pm

      I light a candle every day for Israel, and makes offerings to the Saint of Lost Causes….oh yes, and I also to BDS to hedge my prayers :-)

  14. ckg on July 4, 2014, 5:53 pm

    Palestinian rights activist Younes Arar wrote on his Facebook page today that 15 yr old Tareq is a U.S. citizen. Can anyone confirm this?

    • adele on July 4, 2014, 7:09 pm

      I cannot confirm it but I did see numerous tweets mentioning that Tareq, a cousin of Mohammad Abu Khdeir, is a US citizen visiting with his relatives. One tweet mentioned that Tareq doesn’t speak Arabic. Again, nothing officially confirmed, just postings I saw on twitter.

  15. Bumblebye on July 4, 2014, 6:11 pm

    I saw this, and I was fuming. I wanted to hug that kid, and I wished for a pair of hob-nailed boots to kick in the faces of his abusers. Then the 10pm news came on the radio and the P/I coverage was so biased it outraged me – so much so that I immediately went to their complaints and fired off at them. They omitted anything about the clearly seen faces of the perpetrators, about the car, or the known number plates, and had on some talking head saying it was only “50/50” that it could be Israeli perpetrators! And that’s only a small part of the outrageously biased piece. My blood is at boiling point, so rant off.

  16. justicewillprevail on July 4, 2014, 6:15 pm

    Autopsy results Coffin Abukhaddar: Settlers put gasoline in his
    mouth and poured it out on his body and set fire to it

    المزيد على دنيا الوطن ..

    • Abierno on July 4, 2014, 8:29 pm

      Not only is this horrific crime more probably than not the action of Israeli psychopaths but it is also carried out with what appears to be state sanctioned impunity: Police and other agencies had the license plate for the car but they cannot discern whether the crime was criminal or national, meaning Palestinian or Israeli?
      Which group is documented regularly targeting, torturing and killing children (it is reported that for the past several years, a child has been killed every three days).
      Which group has been documented setting houses on fire? Mosques on fire?

      More probably than not, Israeli security agencies know exactly who committed the crime, but in the currently inflamed atmosphere, there is no political will to arrest them since they are probably connected to politically powerful settler groups. Thus, the lesson learned is this: There is no crime too horrific for Israelis’ to inflict on Palestianians, particularly children, wherein the perpetrators cannot expect total impunity and immunity from sanction or punishment. That said, given the events of the past weeks, an international campaign for a UN protectorate for Palestine is an imperative. This can be undertaken by the General Assembly and does not need the sanction of the Security Council, wherein Samantha Power can be guaranteed to
      spout the Israeli party line – this was an honor killing of a gay adolescent. In the light of current facts, this attempted cover up is as grisly and horrific as the crime.

  17. dbroncos on July 4, 2014, 6:22 pm

    Obama and his Zionist handlers aren’t losing any sleep over this.

  18. Daniel Rich on July 4, 2014, 6:30 pm

    Dearest Annie,

    As the pacified personification of the anti-christ, I cannot get near a church [or other places of warship worship] or mutter words of the sacrosanct scripture out loud. I do apologize.

    I do not want the destruction of those who live in the Apartheid State, but I sure as hell want the Apartheid State to cease to exist. Enough already.

    Donate Florida and be done with it.

    • Citizen on July 4, 2014, 9:23 pm

      Hey, I live in Florida. Just donate the south east Florida coastal regions, especially Miami, BocoRo, etc

    • annie on July 4, 2014, 9:50 pm

      Donate Florida and be done with it.

      if it was up to me the US would have invited them all to immigrate a long time ago. i made that pt years ago, we have plenty of room.

      • tokyobk on July 5, 2014, 3:37 am

        Annie, you mean something quite different than Citizen here. You are talking about bringing Jews to America as a solution to the I/P conflict. He is talking about getting rid of the Jewish parts of Florida so his people can be free and he can finally be successful and happy.

        But more importantly than sad crankery. Recent events and the murder and this beating will I think penetrate the general US consciousness in a way that was not possible and did not happen before.

      • Daniel Rich on July 5, 2014, 5:18 am

        @ tokyobk,

        Q: He is talking about getting rid of the Jewish parts of Florida so his people can be free and he can finally be successful and happy.

        R: Which ‘he’ are you referring to?

      • Citizen on July 5, 2014, 5:23 am

        @ tokyobk

        No. I wasn’t talking about getting rid of any part of Florida. You must be projecting.

      • Walid on July 5, 2014, 8:22 am

        “.. .getting rid of the Jewish parts of Florida so his people can be free ”

        Getting rid of the Jews, it wouldn’t be Florida anymore and it would become as exciting as Oklahoma.


      • Citizen on July 5, 2014, 5:05 pm

        @ Walid
        You obviously don’t know what it’s like to live in Florida, or Oklahoma. Where do you live your exciting life?

      • Walid on July 6, 2014, 2:11 am

        Citizen, I wouldn’t call myself a regular snowbird, but I’ve vacationed and driven all over Florida about 10 times; have a niece and nephew living there now. As to Oklahoma, I’ve just just passed through in my exciting younger days when I hitched on the 66.

      • Kay24 on July 5, 2014, 7:13 am

        I don’t know about that. Now that we know how vicious they can be, how much they prey on their neighbors, and can turn to violence instantly, I would think long and hard before I bring such people into our neighborhood. I would not want them living down the street.

      • CloakAndDagger on July 5, 2014, 3:10 pm

        @ annie

        NIMBY !!

        While Florida is ~3000 miles from the Bay area, I am completely against a massive influx of zionists into the US. Look at the trouble we are already having with the ones here influencing our government.

        It would be the same if 6 million KKK members moved into any state in the US – that state would be kaput, and like a cancer, would eat all the other states too.

        Thanks, but no thanks. America first for me – and I am not so sure it would help the Palestinians anyway to have 6 million more zionists to influence our government, not to mention the devastating effect on our society and culture as they spread their venom here. Well, they are already spreading their venom here through the internet and their many agents like Glick, and others., but it would be far worse with them here, if you can even imagine it!

  19. Fatina on July 4, 2014, 6:51 pm

    Yes ckg! He is an American citizen and we need everyone’s help! He is my cousin’s son! Please, we need people to help and contact the American Embassy to let them release him as soon as possible. He is currently being held in the Israeli prison until his court date this Sunday.

    • just on July 4, 2014, 7:16 pm

      Well, what’s Kerry waiting for?

      It’s the 4th of July, and an American child has been beaten and kidnapped by the IOF!

      (I do not say his life is more important than any other Palestinian child, but what is our State Department FOR? Oh wait, I forgot! “Israel can do no wrong” is the mantra of the US government! One *poof* was the most I’ve heard in my lifetime)

      • Fatina on July 4, 2014, 7:21 pm

        It’s infuriating that it is really out of our hands! I know the American system turns a blind eye when it comes to Israeli policies. The IDF lies! Tarik was on his way to the mosque and they are convicting him of throwing stones! It is his word against the “Most Moral Army in the World!” I feel helpless at this moment. I can’t imagine what his mother is going through right now!

      • annie on July 5, 2014, 12:00 am

        it is really out of our hands!

        i’m so sorry fatima. it must be really frustrating to know he’s hurt and suffering and locked up in an israeli jail, and not safe at all, and you can’t do anything about it.

        last night i saw a tweet from one of your relatives. it had just been posted and another that said ‘please RT’. there was this just awful feeling and so many of his (your) relatives were tweeting. anyway, i thought the least i could do was retweet and then get this up today. now it looks like everyone is writing about him and hopefully it will get lots and lots of news. and the exposure will embarrass the governments (the US too, they should be ashamed this is happening to one of our citizens!) and he will get out. and be able to heal.

      • annie on July 5, 2014, 12:21 am
      • Kay24 on July 4, 2014, 10:33 pm

        They do not give a darn. Even when a Turkish American was killed by IDF terrorists, on the Mavi Maara, or even when an American drone killed a Muslim American kid in Yemen, no one lost any sleep, nor did anything about it.
        Maybe because the poor kids were brown skinned Muslims.

    • adele on July 4, 2014, 7:21 pm

      my heart goes out to your family for your loss and suffering, and the abusive treatment, lies and pressure that Israel is using against your family. I am completely dumbstruck that a child who was savagely beaten is now arrested and not receiving the medical attention he needs.

      Please let us know if there is a specific contact we should be reaching out to at the American Embassy, it would be very helpful to have that information.

      When I read that Tareq was arrested I was

    • Bumblebye on July 4, 2014, 7:54 pm

      Can’t do much of that from here in England, but a thought – can our US commenters lobby the FBI to open a case as they claim to have done when the Fraenkel boy disappeared? That could increase the pressure. We don’t even know if the Israeli/US lad spent any time in the US at all!

    • concernedhuman on July 4, 2014, 11:10 pm

      huh? American citizen?!
      only jews have rights in America not Palestinians .
      US has already launched a criminal investigation for one of the three settler who was American , it was not done for Rachel Corrie nor for the American killed on Mavi Marmara because IDF was involved in it .

  20. Kate on July 4, 2014, 7:29 pm

    Sacramento relatives of slain Palestinian teen say he didn’t deserve to be targeted in Palestinian-Israeli conflict

    “Muhammed Abu Khdeir, the Palestinian teen who was kidnapped and burned to death Wednesday in Jerusalem, was a sweet, peaceful boy, his relatives in Sacramento said Thursday. “He loved to tell jokes and riddles; he was never serious. In all the pictures we have of him he was making a goofy face,” said his first cousin Wadha Abukhdeir. News reports have quoted police as saying they are investigating whether the kidnap and killing of Abu Khdeir, 16, was revenge for the recent murders of three Israeli youths. “He didn’t ask for this, and he didn’t deserve to be a pawn in this deadly game,” Wadha Abukhdeir said … “Three men pulled up in a car and pretended to need direction, then two got out and grabbed him and drove off,” she said. Some of the kids saw what happened, and families gave chase but couldn’t catch them. An hour after Muhammed’s family called Israeli police, “they found him beaten to death and charred in the forest near a Jewish neighborhood,” Wadha said. “He was burned so badly, his family couldn’t identify him. They had to take a DNA test.”… Wadha Abukhdeir’s young sister, Nada Abukhdeir, 28, visited their cousin in the summer of 2006. “We sometimes called him Mo or Hamuda – he was a funny kid,” recalled Nada, who studied psychology at UC Davis. “I stayed there the entire summer, and we joked around about getting married. He told me he was going to get married soon, and I said, ‘You’re 8 years old, why are you talking about marriage already?’ ” In tears, Nada said, “We told him and his family how great it is in California, that he has to come and visit, and now he’s not going to get the chance.”

    I have rarely been this sad and angry about anything. This poor little boy, may something equally terrible happen to his killers.

    • just on July 4, 2014, 7:36 pm

      It does get worse, Kate. You’ve helped to put more than a face to this young person. (may he RIP). A thoroughly horrific end to a life.

      And to think that the GoI & others tried to blame this on a feud, etc (I won’t write it). They are disgusting and sink to new lows every, single day.

      • Kay24 on July 4, 2014, 10:39 pm

        They tried their best to cast blame on others, but there is supposed to be a video, and eye witnesses to the kidnapping. Someone even mentioned that the number plate of the car that was used to abduct him was noted b an eye witness. I hope so.
        This is a very vicious murder, and the criminals who perpetrated it, must be the scum of the earth. Israel’s pride and joy.

      • oldgeezer on July 4, 2014, 10:43 pm

        You don’t think they will ultimately claim something similar to that and get away with it in the western media? That many governments won’t stand in line with them and support the purported ‘investigation’.

        I do. And all we will be left with is another x years of people arguing which version of events is correct while Israel builds or expands settllements and increase the level of oppression.

        BDS is the only answer left. And even with it I doubt true justice will ever be delivered. I’m hoping for a level of justice acceptable to the Palestinians. I doubt it will reach the level of objective justice.

      • crone on July 5, 2014, 3:32 am

        “You don’t think they will ultimately claim something similar to that and get away with it in the western media?”

        Look what the western media is doing wrt the Ukraine?

    • a blah chick on July 4, 2014, 10:22 pm

      I think it was someone on twitter who said he’d been dumped by a holocaust memorial. Anyone know if that is true?

  21. CloakAndDagger on July 4, 2014, 7:44 pm

    I want to draw attention to the recent article by Michael Cohen at

    His thesis is that the US and Israel are separating, albeit slower than we would like.

    Things got off to a rocky start in early 2009 when Netanyahu initially refused the United States’ request for a settlement freeze. They got worse when Netanyahu sought to give Obama a “history lesson” in the Oval Office on the security challenges facing Israel; they plummeted further during the 2012 election when Bibi all but endorsed the president’s Republican rival, Mitt Romney; and they took a major hit when Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon publicly disparaged Kerry.

    But relations truly reached rock bottom after the signing of the interim nuclear deal last fall between Iran and the P5+1 countries (the United States, Britain, China, France, and Russia, plus Germany). It was one thing to oppose the deal. It was quite another for Israel to actively try to torpedo it. Not only did the Israelis seek to poison the well in Geneva by bad-mouthing U.S. efforts, but via the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, they sought to undermine the deal in Congress by pushing for passage of the Nuclear Weapon Free Iran Act.

    That rancor is likely to get worse, particularly as Washington and Tehran continue negotiations toward a final deal this summer — and new indications of cooperation between Washington and Tehran over the ISIS invasion of Iraq are beginning to emerge.

    He adds later:

    When one combines the changing politics of support for Israel with Israel’s continued obstinacy on ending the occupation, it’s hard to imagine a scenario in which the U.S.-Israel relationship doesn’t change.

    Where I disagree with him is that he sees this as a continued trajectory for the democrats. I don’t see how that is possible if Hillary gets elected. If anything, she will be more zionist than the zionists, and more pro-war than the neocons.

    Still, a worthwhile article to read.

  22. Citizen on July 4, 2014, 9:20 pm

    I agree Hillary is totally in bed with the Zionists, as is Bill and their daughter. As she recently stated, she’s just a wannabe 1% type of girl, wishes she only had to pay at capital gains tax rate like they do.

    She won’t be reading this: The Palestinians: A kidnapped society

  23. biorabbi on July 4, 2014, 9:24 pm

    Annie, so full of warm words for the dead Palestinian child, but only conspiracy theories for the three dead Jewish boys; why is that? The mask is slipping Annie.

    • annie on July 4, 2014, 9:45 pm

      only conspiracy theories for the three dead Jewish boys

      only? that’s a lie. there have been a lot of threads here. and if there are doubts about the circumstances surrounding the teens disappearance and death you have only the goi to blame for that. shame on you.

      and what a hypocrite you are w/your anonymity accusing me of having a mask.

      • Kris on July 4, 2014, 10:41 pm

        Annie, Should mondoweiss be allowing someone to identify himself as “biorabbi?”

        It seems to me that the title “Rabbi” should be used with respect. I would feel uncomfortable also with a poster hiding behind “Imam,” “Father,” “the Reverend,” or any other term for a worship leader, for the same reason.

        It is true that there are despicable Rabbis, Imams, priests, and ministers, but still we should treat the idea, at least, of religious leaders with respect, whatever their actual reality.

      • annie on July 4, 2014, 11:10 pm

        he’s been posting here for years. you would have to take that up w/phil and adam. personally, i have no objection to it. there are corrupt Rabbis, Imams, priests, and ministers, and as such a title in and of itself does not deserve (my) respect. if someone wanted to call themselves god i wouldn’t stop him. think him a fool, yes, but i wouldn’t object.

      • MahaneYehude1 on July 5, 2014, 12:37 am

        @Annie Robins;

        Are you going to bring only one side sufferings? There are many reports about hundreds of events in Israel now: In Kalansawa, Taibe, Baqa al-Gharbiya etc. Many Jews were attacked, beaten and their cars were burnt. Why I can’t see all those reports in MW?

      • annie on July 5, 2014, 1:38 am

        you mean do i read the hebrew press,settler blogs etc? no. i read 972, haaretz and people i follow on twitter. but hey, i just googled “Kalansawa” and look what popped up on top : 42-year-old man shot dead in Kalansawa

        42-year-old man shot dead in Kalansawa By JPOST.COM STAFF
        11/24/2013 21:06
        A 42-year-old Arab man was shot dead in the town of Kalansawa near Kfar Saba on Sunday evening. The man was shot in the upper body.

        Magen David Adom EMS pronounced the man dead after attempting to save him.

        The circumstances of the incident were under investigation.

        iow, not a lot of news on Kalansawa.

        Are you going to bring only one side sufferings?

        maybe you should write phil and adam. i write about what interests me and, i presume, most of our readers. there are probably some really good settler blogs somewhere, or stand with us, or memri, or the mainstream media covering your interests (actually Kalansawa, Taibe, Baqa al-Gharbiya etc, maybe not so much).

        post some links mehane, especially if there’s breaking news. i did google Taibe

        what suffering might that be? the suffering or your sides ‘security’ forces?

        Many Jews were attacked, beaten and their cars were burnt.

        do tell. post some links

      • Woody Tanaka on July 5, 2014, 6:43 am


        “Many Jews were attacked, beaten and their cars were burnt. ”

        Well, I hope by now you Israeli Jews see the error of your ways in electing a sociopathic devil like The Human Animal, Netanyahoo, as PM, since this car burning was a direct response to him deciding to unleash a pogrom against the Palestinians.

      • Bumblebye on July 5, 2014, 9:05 am

        @MY1 aka SpudSquad
        “hundreds of events in Israel” really? Or are they events in occupied Palestine? Where your scummy murderous compatriots are the cause and the perpetrators of the violence for nearly half a century! It’s about time you lot got back behind your *officially declared* borders and out of territory that’s not yours.

      • just on July 4, 2014, 11:23 pm

        speaking of despicable– stay away from cspan right now! My head nearly exploded listening to Nonie Darwish– psycho liar.

        Title of the insane show is “Islam and the West” brought to you by the Conservative Forum of Silicon Valley.

      • MahaneYehude1 on July 5, 2014, 2:50 am


        Many Jews were attacked, beaten and their cars were burnt.

        do tell. post some links,7340,L-4538061,00.html

      • annie on July 5, 2014, 2:54 am

        i hope he had fire insurance on his car. and what a relief they only sustained light injuries after reportedly being attacked by a mob of protestors.

        Following the incidents, security forces closed Route 5614 toward Qalansawe to traffic in both directions.

        any idea when those roads may be reopened?

      • Djinn on July 5, 2014, 3:10 am

        MahaneYehude1 says:

        Many Jews were attacked, beaten and their cars were burnt.

        do tell. post some links

        link to

        Their cars were set on fire? Wow that really is on par with setting fire to a teenager while he’s still breathing and 65 years of slaughter, disposession and occupation.

        Totally equivalent.

      • just on July 4, 2014, 11:08 pm

        WHAT are you talking about, yonah? Annie does not indulge in “conspiracy

        biorabbi gets a “shame on you” from me as well. So do you with that comment of yours.

        You seem to be “getting it”, and then you don’t.

      • wondering jew on July 4, 2014, 11:18 pm

        just- If you wish to defend annie, I’m not going to stop you. but you are out to lunch on this one and apparently believe that single file and group think is the way to achieve success.

      • just on July 4, 2014, 11:26 pm

        I wouldn’t be here if I believed ” that single file and group think is the way to achieve success.”

        I come here because the information is SOURCED, and not “conspiracy theories”.

        I happen to be very fond of facts. Opinions can be debated based on those.

      • annie on July 4, 2014, 11:28 pm

        yonah, biorabbi too. i understand the temptation especially on a post like this to divert the conversation into it being all about me. it’s not going to work.

        take it up with phil and adam. or write mj rosenberg. certainly there’s a blog out there to host your complaints.

        here, chew on this

        How the public was manipulated into believing the teens were alive

      • MahaneYehude1 on July 5, 2014, 3:07 am


        i hope he had fire insurance on his car.

        Journalism, real journalism.


      • annie on July 5, 2014, 3:29 am

        i don’t comment here as a journalist. i’m a blogger any which way, i don’t consider myself a journalist.

        What happened before is tens, hundreds and thousands of Palestinians that Israel has killed. It is the theft of property and the stealing of land. It is roadblocks and control and permits and searches and orders, and an entire mechanism that under the cover of the big lie of temporariness built an entire system in which the members of one people have determined for almost 50 years the fate of another people: They arrest them, steal from them, question them, judge them and sometimes kill them.

        His name was Nadim Nawara and he grew up and had his own political opinion and went out to demonstrate and died in Beitunia in the Nakba Day protest on May 15, 2014. He survived a premature birth and a car accident, but did not survive the occupation.

        so, when do you think they will open the road? do you think the ‘security’ forces will enforce a pogrom on the residents of Qalansawe to find the culprits? kill some kids to teach them a lesson? shoot anyone thru the back? tell me how much they suffered from their light wounds, the article didn’t say. no quotes, not even the names of the victims.

  24. W.Jones on July 5, 2014, 12:47 am

    Dear Annie.

    Thank you for your post.
    I prayed for Palestine.

    For your reference, there are a number of Eastern Christian churches that Palestinians might attend, and you can find one near you:

    • MahaneYehude1 on July 5, 2014, 4:22 am


      I don’t comment here as a journalist.

      No, you are not a journalist but you are an editor in a site that supposed to be a balanced site that cover the crucial events of the conflict. I didn’t address my comment to other readers here because they are free to express their feelings and to report or write about one side only. I don’t like it but I respect it. But you, as an editor, can’t be blind to many events going now in Israel. At least cover them and then write your opinion on them.

      Second thing, when the three Israeli teens were kidnapped and killed, many here wrote “you have no proof…”, “How do you know they were…” etc. etc. Now, with the killing of this poor Palestinian teen, I expected to read the same questions, but in contrary, all I see are endless attacks on the state of Israel and the Israeli Jews. No one here has doubt that Israeli Jews killed the boy. I don’t know how to call it, but certainly not journalism.

      I read the rest of your comment. thanks for the information.

      • ritzl on July 5, 2014, 7:06 am

        Heal thyself, MY1. Stop bitching about what Annie does or doesn’t do to suit you and do something to stop your country from so casually killing so many Palestinian kids so often.

        THAT is the fundamental issue that you always overlook. The issue is not how that ongoing killing machine is portrayed here or anywhere else. No killing, no PR problem, no need to whine, eh?

        Gosh you could solve your own problem, couldn’t you?

      • MahaneYehude1 on July 5, 2014, 7:26 am


        The issue here is not “Annie” but the purpose of this site.

        No killing, no PR problem, no need to whine, eh?

        I agree with you.

      • just on July 5, 2014, 11:05 am

        Hey MY1– did you know that the Israeli government LIED to the families of the 3 Israeli teens?

        Scroll down to find the article from Kate’s compilation.
        “Gil-Ad Shaer’s mother: Police said the shots were blanks, we had hope”

        Are you still ‘so proud’ of them? How about the collective punishment of innocents in the OPT? How about the gruesome murder of Mohammed? How about the beating and jailing of his cousin Tarek by the people you “so proud” of?

      • amigo on July 5, 2014, 8:35 am

        mehane, stop your endless whining .If you do not like the site then just go away and stay away.

        Go post at the Post.You will feel right at home there.Lots of racist zionist fanatics like you there.

      • MahaneYehude1 on July 5, 2014, 11:03 am


        No one force you to visit here and read my comments. If you don’t like them, please find other anti-Zionist propaganda web sites that ban Zionists like me. There you can enjoy the freedom you always ask.

      • Shingo on July 6, 2014, 5:04 am

        If you don’t like them, please find other anti-Zionist propaganda web sites that ban Zionists like me.

        So in spite of lying and posting the mist grotesque diatribes, you are not banned.

        Why are you complaining therefore about balance? You whine non stop about your version of events not bring reported, yet when choke fed up produce links to those reports, you refuse to.

        You’re not even trying to encourage a serious debate, you’re just soiling Israel’s already disgusting image. Just trolling, ankle biting and hoping to prove a reaction out of others.

      • seafoid on July 5, 2014, 10:39 am

        “many here wrote “you have no proof…””

        Most people didn’t. You’re just trolling .

        “all I see are endless attacks on the state of Israel and the Israeli Jews”.:

        Eretz Israel Hashlemah is a mess. As Strenger said the other day

        “Almost every Israeli in the last 47 years has done military service in the territories. Almost all of them have had to do things that go against human decency and morality – often not for the sake of Israel’s security at large, but to protect some isolated outpost of settlers. If indeed Israel were to reach peace with the Palestinians and the Arab world, most Israelis would have to live with the painful realization that most of what Israel has done to the Palestinians was unnecessary; that Israel could have ended the occupation a long time ago; and that the energies and resources invested in the West Bank’s colonization could have been invested in Israel’s flourishing instead.
        This idea is too difficult to bear, and the regret would be unendurable. It is, therefore, psychologically imperative to create a narrative that explains why the occupation was inevitable; why Israel had no choice but to hang onto the West Bank; why all the sacrifice in human lives, moral turpitude and political isolation were necessary for Israel’s survival. ”

        And Israel isn’t interested in peace.
        If you have any evidence to the contrary, post it.

        Stop whining.
        “Kahn ze lo Shvayitz” isn’t good enough.

      • MahaneYehude1 on July 5, 2014, 10:58 am


        You know, seafoid, life has taught me always to see the positive things and to see what can I agree with people. From your long comment I can agree with you only on one thing ““Kahn ze lo Shvayitz”. So if we both of us agree that “Kahn ze lo Shvayitz”, stop ask us to behave like Shvayitz while our neighbors don’t want to see us here and do all effort to wipe us from the map.

      • seafoid on July 5, 2014, 12:43 pm

        “life has taught me always to see the positive things”

        Pollyanna thinking won’t save Zionism

      • Citizen on July 5, 2014, 1:24 pm

        @ MahaneYehude1
        Why are you stealing other people’s land?

      • Kay24 on July 5, 2014, 10:47 am

        Your comments show you are out of your depth here. As if someone is holding a gun to your head to click on to Mondoweiss and make comments that reflect your loyalty to Israel. So similar to what the Israel’s Ministry of Information does, when it pays mindless kids to spew the propaganda. You can take pot shots at Annie and anyone else, but it seems you still cannot get it – this is not the website that inanely regurgitates just how much the victim poor Israel is, and that it never breaks international laws, or commits crimes against unarmed civilians, you know like most of the US media does. The writers here report on credible news items, and give us the more realistic picture of the situation, that is deliberately kept away from the American people.
        Don’t like it? There are plenty of websites that you will find that, backed by propagandists, who love to tell anyone who listens, that Israel has suffered so much while being a military occupier, armed with US weapons, used by a vicious military.

      • Shingo on July 6, 2014, 4:57 am

        No, you are not a journalist but you are an editor in a site that supposed to be a balanced site that cover the crucial events of the conflict.

        The only place that pretends to be balanced is Faux News. Balance is a farce as it pretends that the truth lies in the middle of 2 versions of the same event.

  25. wes on July 5, 2014, 2:31 am

    No annie

    from the moment they disappeared we knew they were murdered but people hope.
    the killing of the 3 companions was a signal for war and it will come.

    • Djinn on July 5, 2014, 3:12 am

      You knew but decided to pretend you didn’t so you could release a pogrom on the West Bank. That’s much better.

      • annie on July 5, 2014, 3:44 am

        some collective punishment to sooth the soul, remind the heathens who’s boss.

  26. DICKERSON3870 on July 5, 2014, 5:05 am

    RE: “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is capitalizing on this horror to boost his public support.” ~ Annie Robbins

    MY COMMENT: As Bibi is notoriously* wont to do!

    * FOR INSTANCE, SEE – “Israeli filmmaker: Netanyahu as much to blame for Rabin’s death as Yigal Amir”, By Haaretz, Jan. 30, 2013

    [EXCERPT] An Israeli film director told CNN on Tuesday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu played a part in creating the charged public atmosphere that led to the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995.
    Dror Moreh, who directed the Oscar-nominated documentary “The Gatekeepers,” said in an interview with Christiane Amanpour, that “there was a lot of incitement toward Rabin as a prime minister then. And Benjamin Netanyahu took his big share in that.”
    Moreh claimed Netanyahu headed rallies against Rabin. “Some of the rallies were horrible. I mean, they called Rabin a Nazi collaborator,” he said. . . .


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