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Propaganda from Netanyahu on ISIS

A few weeks after the Israeli prime minister accused Hamas of piling up “telegenically-dead Palestinians for their cause,” Benjamin Netanyahu has found a telegenically-dead victim for his propaganda purposes: James Foley, the brave American journalist killed by ISIS in Syria. Netanyahu is using Foley’s gruesome beheading to equate ISIS and all its horrors to… Hamas.

Yesterday he issued this video statement about Foley in English– obviously tailored for Americans– in which he denounced the “barbarism, the savagery” of ISIS. 

“We face the same savagery,” Netanyahu said– from Hamas.

Later he tweeted that ISIS and Hamas are “Two branches of the same poison tree,” and cited the oppression of women, Christians and gays as a shared program. 

And he tweeted this, with the poster above:

Hamas is ISIS. ISIS is Hamas. They’re enemies of Peace. They’re enemies of all civilized countries.

Netanyahu has a mouthpiece in Long Island Congressman Steve Israel. Israel got to the Hamas-ISIS identity yesterday morning, ahead of the Prime Minister:

— Steve Israel (@RepSteveIsrael) August 20, 2014

But many journalists have been roaming around Gaza without being arrested by Hamas. No, they get invited into people’s homes, as Max Blumenthal has reported.

Scott Roth points out Steve Israel’s party importance. He’s chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), “the official campaign arm of the Democrats in the House.” 

And I wonder why my congressman, in his first term, has had nothing but joyful support for Israel throughout its massacre. I’m sure he’s buddies with Steve Israel. He has to be, if he wants campaign funds to get reelected.

Philip Weiss

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  1. seafoid on August 21, 2014, 2:54 pm

    If hamas equals Isis then Hillary must be Lincoln

    • just on August 21, 2014, 3:25 pm

      lol!

      • seafoid on August 21, 2014, 6:08 pm

        And of course Arbeit macht frei , Peres is a statesman and Israel is deeply sorry.

      • Kay24 on August 22, 2014, 11:00 am

        The Israeli spokespeople are like slick used car salesmen, they look dishonest and pretend they are really sad that the old lemon they sold you is kaput.
        I like the cartoon where they call the Hamas violence terror, and their massacres error.

    • Paldi5 on August 21, 2014, 5:28 pm

      I saw a photo on facebook the other day that proves Marilyn Monroe is Albert Einstein…. but you have to squint a little. lol

    • sligoker on August 22, 2014, 6:45 am

      Kidnapping! Speaking of which, yesterday, a Hamas leader came out and took credit for the kidnapping of the three Israeli youths. Why no entry on that by any of the fair minded writers for this website? Weren’t the experts at Mondoweiss claiming that this was a story concocted by the Israelis in order to precipitate the latest chapter in the “struggle”?

      Perhaps Netanyahu’s analogy isn’t so far off!

      • Atlantaiconoclast on August 22, 2014, 10:16 am

        Someone did respond to that either in this thread, or on another. They shared a link to a guardian article, http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/hamas-kidnapping-three-israeli-teenagers-saleh-al-arouri-qassam-brigades, casting doubt on the veracity of the claim by the Hamas official, who is in Turkey, not Gaza. He could have been falsely boasting, or could be a rogue Hamas official. There is zero evidence that Hamas leadership in Gaza was behind the kidnapping. Plus, Israel had killed countless Palestinians in the months leading up to the kidnapping, so even if Hamas WAS behind the kidnapping, it was in retaliation for deadly actions by Israel.

      • lysias on August 22, 2014, 10:26 am

        Speaking of which, yesterday, a Hamas leader came out and took credit for the kidnapping of the three Israeli youths.

        Source? Link?

      • Hajja Romi on August 23, 2014, 12:58 am

        It is not unknown for hasbara trolls to insert DIS-information into dialogue. Note the experience of one website with them:
        http://www.commondreams.org/hambaconeggs

  2. a blah chick on August 21, 2014, 3:17 pm

    Dear Steverino, Israel is doing the beheadings in Gaza, not ISIS.

    Idiot.

    • just on August 21, 2014, 3:28 pm

      nice one, abc.

      Keep telling the pols– no change on Israel, no money or work from me!!!

    • kalithea on August 21, 2014, 10:20 pm

      Israel is worse than ISIS because it not only beheads, it cuts off the arms, legs and heads…of children.

  3. eljay on August 21, 2014, 3:26 pm

    Female murderers exist in society. According to Bibi, the woman chained in the rapist’s bunker – that battered and abused victim who lashes out in anger / frustration / desperation at her captor – is just like those female killers!!!

    Bibi, in the words of Mr. Bumble, “is a ass – a idiot”.

  4. seafoid on August 21, 2014, 3:34 pm

    Is killing a collaborator worse than bombing a UN school ? Do hamas have any pictures of Israel’s recent hannibal procedure? That was fairly nauseous.
    The notion that Judistan is on the side of peace is as credible as Joan Rivers’ youthful looks.

  5. Walid on August 21, 2014, 3:40 pm

    Never heard of Hamas offering Christians of Gaza to convert to Islam or lose their heads. Until a few weeks back, they had a church but Israel too care of that.

    Video released by ISIS this week showing the mass conversions to Islam by the Yazidis that are accused of being devil-worshippers by the Wahhabis; then again, the Wahhabis think everybody else is:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ncgsmK1DGI

    • seafoid on August 21, 2014, 4:55 pm

      What happened the church?

      • Walid on August 21, 2014, 8:45 pm

        Churches not destroyed but indirectly hit by shrapnel in neighbourhood shelling. Holy Family Catholic parish center and the Saint Porphyrius Greek Orthodox Church that suffered damage to its cemetery. Both churches had sheltered refugees. Now less than 1500 Christians still remaining in Gaza.

  6. Philip Munger on August 21, 2014, 3:49 pm

    In Gaza 2014:

    IDF = ISIS/ISIS = IDF

    In Gaza 2014, Hamas fighters managed to inflict about 90% of their casualties on military personnel who had invaded, or were preparing to do so. That is not like ISIS. OTOH, the IDF inflicted mass casualties upon civilians, including hundreds of children, in operations showing an ISIS-like cold disregard for the lives of people who are viewed dimly by their leadership, or deemed unworthy of consideration as fully human.

    • just on August 21, 2014, 3:55 pm

      Precisely! From the goofy poster above– Israel is NOT civilized.

      Thanks Philip.

      • just on August 21, 2014, 4:11 pm

        Listening to Hagel and da General Dempsey about how ISIL has such prowess, money, equipment etc…..sounds just like the IOF, not even remotely like Hamas.

      • lysias on August 21, 2014, 4:38 pm

        Why does everybody in the U.S. government call it “ISIL”, while everybody else calls it “ISIS” or “IS”? (I noticed for a while that the media occasionally called it “ISIL”, generally when the source of the story was somebody in the U.S. government, but they seem to have dropped doing that now.)

      • just on August 21, 2014, 4:43 pm

        Hagel called it ISIS, Dempsey explained why he calls it ISIL– I stopped listening when he explained why he used it b/c it included the Levant which includes Israel, etc.

        In short, I don’t know.

        Unless, of course, our government is obsessed with superheroes:

        http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120818153144/marvel_dc/images/thumb/f/fb/Isis_Earth-S_001.jpg/500px-Isis_Earth-S_001.jpg

        (sorry, don’t know how to make the link pretty)

      • JeffB on August 21, 2014, 5:05 pm

        @lysias

        Why does everybody in the U.S. government call it “ISIL”, while everybody else calls it “ISIS” or “IS”? (I noticed for a while that the media occasionally called it “ISIL”, generally when the source of the story was somebody in the U.S. government, but they seem to have dropped doing that now.)

        That one is on them. They used both Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) to refer to themselves along with a bunch of other names. The State Department issued a memo on this and picked ISIL for references in the USA: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/05/226067.htm

      • Paldi5 on August 21, 2014, 5:35 pm

        It depends on what your definition of is is, (sorry ;)

      • Rusty Pipes on August 21, 2014, 6:39 pm

        DAISH translates as the Islamic State in Iraq and Al Shams (Greater Syria or the Levant). When it is translated only as “Syria” people assume that it only means the modern state of Syria and not the whole region. Even though “Levant” has the ring of the British empire, it is closer in describing the particular geographic area for English speakers. Can you imagine American broadcasters butchering the pronunciation of Al Shams?

      • Walid on August 21, 2014, 9:32 pm

        DAISH as the Arabs persist in calling it, ISIS or ISIL as others do in English are all wrong. The ones who have it right are the French that are calling it EI, which is “Etat Islamique” as this is how this organization has been calling itself from 2 months ago. In English, this would make it simply IS or Islamic State. Since it has becoming evident that the US, which is just about the only power capable of snuffing it out, is refusing to go past the petting stage with it, it’s safe to assume that it will be around for another 20 years or so, so people might just as well start calling it by its proper name, the Islamic State. The US wouldn’t have even given it a second glance if it hadn’t decided to go after the Kurdish oil.

        BTW, the change in name came about when this band of irreligious pirates decided to go global as its former name of Iraq and al-Sham was too limiting geographically; it does not believe in borders, border posts or in passports. It seeks to create one big happy medieval Islamic state that stretches from the Iberian peninsula, across North Africa and the ME all the way to the Indus, just like in the old glory days of the Muslim conquest.

      • LeaNder on August 22, 2014, 10:35 am

        lysias, yonah mixed me up with you a while ago. I felt flattered.

        Anyway a young German journalist Souad Mekhennet, apparently, I hadn’t heard about her before, met one of the Isis leaders close to the mythical El Bagdadi, is that his name? …

        If you scroll down on this the following FAZ article link: there is a video of an interview with Mekhennet this morning on channel 2

        It seems a more recent development, apparently. Strictly I can accept the historical argument that all the ME frontiers were drawn by European Orientalists. So yes, that concerns “the ‘L’evant” (fr. levant, the East, the part of the Earth were the sun rises) too.

        I have never been too interested in politics, but during the last decade the fact has been on my mind that force necessarily must produce a counterforce. For whatever reason she considers it as a response to the Arab spring. A not too old movement, but apparently a very successful movement. Didn’t many of us feel the “Bushie’s” approach to 911, so much supported and admired in Israel, was some type of self-fulfilling prophesy?

    • Sibiriak on August 21, 2014, 11:16 pm

      Philip Munger:

      IDF = ISIS/ISIS = IDF

      True, but who in the government, who in the MSM is saying that? Who is drilling that into the public imagination?

      • ThorsteinVeblen2012 on August 21, 2014, 11:45 pm

        Or the more obvious though inciting

        Isis = Israel

  7. petersz on August 21, 2014, 3:51 pm

    Isn’t it more like Israel is like ISIS? Both fanatical theocratic states that murder and slaughter people of the wrong type.

    • JeffB on August 21, 2014, 5:12 pm

      @petersz

      Isn’t it more like Israel is like ISIS? Both fanatical theocratic states that murder and slaughter people of the wrong type.

      That’s what state formation looks like. All successful nation states start that way. What’s happening with ISIS is the Sykes–Picot Agreement is finally being unravelled and the people of the Middle East are choosing their own borders rather than living within the borders the French and British found convenient for their partition. What is happening with Israel is Israel is choosing its borders. What’s happening in central Africa (Burundi, Rwanda, …) is the Hutu and Tutsi are deciding on their borders and unscrambling their population.

      This process isn’t pretty but it how nation states are born, and what allows for genuine self determination of peoples.

      • amigo on August 21, 2014, 6:00 pm

        “This process isn’t pretty but it how nation states are born, and what allows for genuine self determination of peoples.” jeff b

        it,s also how they end.Someone else comes along and decides their needs are greater than yours.

        Oh well, easy come , easy go.

        Nazion is no different.

      • JeffB on August 21, 2014, 7:50 pm

        @amigo

        it,s also how they end.Someone else comes along and decides their needs are greater than yours. Oh well, easy come , easy go.

      • Mooser on August 22, 2014, 11:35 am

        Jeff, yesterday you gave us Woody Allen, and today, Disney! In support of your contentions, to prove your points.
        Woody Allen, and cartoons. Yeah Jeffy, I can see, you’re serious!
        I’ll be Roebuck, and we will start a store.

      • Donald on August 21, 2014, 9:08 pm

        This process isn’t pretty but it how nation states are born, and what allows for genuine self determination of peoples.”

        Well, at least you’re being honest, except for that glowing phrase “genuine self determination of peoples”. Most of history is full of slaughters and atrocities conducted in the name of some BS ideology (self-determination of peoples is a modern one, I guess). But you realize that that doesn’t really fit the usual narrative of Israel as a wonderful democracy which does its best to avoid civilian casualties and has the best of intentions and so on and so forth. You’ve lumped Israel in with ISIS and the several bloodlettings between the Hutu and the Tutsi (btw, you’re one of the first people since I read Chomsky who seemed to realize that the Rwanda genocide of 1994 wasn’t the only massacre between the two groups.)

      • Mooser on August 21, 2014, 9:25 pm

        Gosh, JeffyB, you must be such a tough, brave realist guy to believe all that might-is-right stuff.

      • JeffB on August 22, 2014, 8:46 am

        @Donald

        Well, at least you’re being honest, except for that glowing phrase “genuine self determination of peoples”.

        I happen to think the invention of the nation-state was a huge moment of progress. It finally allowed tribes to scale up to the sort of super complex civilizations required to support an advanced economy where the primary mechanism for contracting became trust and affinity and not violence. I see the impact of the Reformation as a huge positive both for Europe and for humanity. So we might disagree but I’m not being dishonest.

        But you realize that that doesn’t really fit the usual narrative of Israel as a wonderful democracy which does its best to avoid civilian casualties and has the best of intentions and so on and so forth.

        The nation-state is not a global state. It is limited geographically and culturally. Part of the formation of nation states is a collection of tribes coming together and increasing their level of cultural connectivity. In Israel that happened as Jews from all over the planet starting sharing a common language, sharing cuisine, sharing a common media…

        Palestinians have rejected this process. The entire point of “denormalization” is to prevent them from become Israeli. The point is for them to remain permanent aliens. The denormalization inevitably leads to political differences the political differences lead to violence and that feeds the destructive cycle. They’ve rejected becoming part of the nation of the state in which they choose to live.

        So I think Israel is a wonderful democracy. A democracy is a mechanism for people within a nation to decide how their state should be run. Israel has successfully integrated many groups quickly and effectively overcoming their culture specific issues. But a democracy can’t handle systematic rejection. That’s not a failure a democracy, that’s a failure of the Palestinians.

        The distinction between an empire and a nation-state is whether there is a common culture. Part of what made the nation-state such an advance in allowing for both humane and large government was a better understanding of culture. A kay part of being a democracy in the nation-state is establishing that trust and affinity that makes democracy possible. The Palestinians rejected being part of Israel. Palestinian rejectionism is the central issue.

        As far as avoiding civilian casualties. Israel has been moderately humane. The 2nd intifada changed Israeli society in the same way the 30s violence changed an earlier generation. Liberals are frequently willing to talk about how western violence radicalizes other people, but don’t seem to want to address the problem that non-western violence also radicalizes westerners. 9/11 shifted American political opinion, particularly liberals and moderates, on foreign policy quickly and drastically to the right. Because the terror was short lived liberals had mostly recovered by 2004 and moderates stared shifting soon after 2004. But the effects were dramatic.

        Palestinian violence, primarily Hamas from the 1990s has changed Israel. Israelis are becoming less concerned with treating the Palestinians humanely. The current Palestinian program is changing Israeli moderate bigotry and frustration into hatred. Israel is becoming less constrained in their violence. I think the whole, “Light Unto the Nations” is Jewish self obsession so there is some upside and healthy maturity in Israel losing this over-important view of themselves.

        You’ve lumped Israel in with ISIS and the several bloodlettings between the Hutu and the Tutsi

        Yes. I’ve Israel in with the history of just about every other nation formation on the planet. Jews are no better than other people. Jews are no worse than other people. They are just people.

      • just on August 22, 2014, 9:14 am

        “So I think Israel is a wonderful democracy. A democracy is a mechanism for people within a nation to decide how their state should be run. Israel has successfully integrated many groups quickly and effectively overcoming their culture specific issues. But a democracy can’t handle systematic rejection. That’s not a failure a democracy, that’s a failure of the Palestinians. ”

        I can’t believe that you wrote that dreck and then hit the ‘post comment’ button.

      • john h on August 23, 2014, 12:37 am

        “During the 1920s the Communists Zionists (at that point the bulk) wanted to form a unity with the Palestinian people as part of the common proletariat rising up against capitalists as common laborers… That was rebuffed. During the late 1920s to early 1930s there was a movement of creating a common future by that point the Palestinians had become pan-Arab nationalists so that attempt was rebuffed”.

        Let’s have the truth about why those rebuffs then, and the continuing rejection of Israeli versions of peace. From no other than Jabotinsky before those rebuffs:

        “Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the Land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Hence those who hold that an agreement with the natives is an essential condition for Zionism can now say “no” and depart from Zionism. Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population.

        To imagine that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people”.

      • kalithea on August 21, 2014, 10:29 pm

        Insane bullshet. Don’t justify Zionism’s crimes with the crimes of others.

        Both IS and Zionism are going to end up in the same promised land; HELL.

      • adele on August 22, 2014, 9:45 am

        Just,
        we must have both missed that part in the history books about Israel offering to embrace Palestinians within their “democracy”. Perhaps JeffB can fill us in with more details.

        JeffB: would you be so kind as to tell us when the vote was extended to Palestinians? Maybe the Palestinians didn’t get the memo of this generous offer? Perhaps Israel can resend the invitation? You could personally deliver it!

      • just on August 22, 2014, 9:52 am

        Yes, I think that part of the history was edited out by some antisemitic teacher of mine– it was a terrible conspiracy to discredit the kind, benevolent, and ever- peaceful Israelis!

      • JeffB on August 22, 2014, 10:38 am

        @adele

        JeffB: would you be so kind as to tell us when the vote was extended to Palestinians?

        Sure several times. During the 1920s the Communists Zionists (at that point the bulk) wanted to form a unity with the Palestinian people as part of the common proletariat rising up against capitalists as common laborers… That was rebuffed. During the late 1920s to early 1930s there was a movement of creating a common future by that point the Palestinians had become pan-Arab nationalists so that attempt was rebuffed. Then after 1949 all the Palestinians living under Israeli control were moved to having the vote and Ben-Gurion himself helped found Arab-Israeli political parties and worked with them. That’s been semi-succesful yet even with full citizenship and the vote the Arab-Israelis have refused to fully integrated. Then when Israel annexed Jerusalem they offered (and still do offer) the Arabs of Jerusalem full citizenship. Until recently that offer was rebuffed.

        And I’d imagine there were other offers I’m forgetting towards parts of the West Bank.

  8. lysias on August 21, 2014, 4:42 pm

    Could that be why the media won’t show the video?

    • Mooser on August 22, 2014, 11:37 am

      “And I’d imagine there were other offers I’m forgetting towards parts of the West Bank.”

      Well, we’ve already had woody, and Disney, maybe you should try Harry Potter, or Star Wars?

      • can of worms on August 22, 2014, 12:48 pm

        Yes, aside from the “offers” of equality he fantasizes about, there are others he’s forgetting. Good.
        It’s besides the point that all the Zio institutions from the first half of the 20thc (Histadrut? the JNF? Kibbutzim?) were created with the sole purpose of a Jewish-only monopoly over the land and labor markets; JeffB sees no contradiction in his statement that, once upon a time, the Zios “offered” equality. How can you “offer” what belongs to all?
        Keeps reminding me of David Norris’s, “he wouldn’t recognise democracy if it puked in his face”–

  9. Kay24 on August 21, 2014, 4:54 pm

    Think about it, Bibi has tried hard during the war to label Hamas as “terrorists” just to justify Israel’s brutality and massacre of civilians. Now that the world has condemned it, and he lost the PR war, he is simply changing the zio tactic by calling Hamas the same as ISIS. After all, ISIS is the latest bogey man, and Nutty thinks to link Hamas to what is happening right now, may work this time.

    The spineless Steve Israel who does the hasbara for Bibi should be ashamed of doing Israel’s dirty work for it. But then our congress lost their self respect and feel no shame when they keep sucking up to Bibi.

    • gracie fr on August 21, 2014, 5:38 pm

      @Kay24…….Lost the PR War, I wish, but sadly untrue.

      By using his oldest trick again, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the International Commission of Inquiry on the occupation’s war crimes in Gaza by using the narrative of the victim to justify and explain the most recent bout of Israeli aggression and hostility. During the final moments of his meeting in Tel Aviv with the Andrew Cuomo, the governor of the state of New York, Netanyahu criticised the Human Rights Council’s decision to form a committee to look into the crimes against humanity that have been committed in the Gaza Strip. In response to the HRC’s decision, Netanyahu said, “The Council’s [decision] grants legitimacy to terrorist organisations such as Hamas and ISIS rather than doing what is right by examining Hamas’ attacks on Israeli citizens and its exploitation of Palestinians as human shields…”
      https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/13612-israel-and-goldstone-numerous-fears

  10. seafoid on August 21, 2014, 4:57 pm

    “cited the oppression of women, Christians and gays as a shared program.”

    Good old gaymosexuals and lesbitarians, endlessly recyclable in Israel’s hasbara.

    Meanwhile 46% of Israelis disapprove of homosexuality.

  11. Hester on August 21, 2014, 4:57 pm

    “Saleh Arouri told a conference in Turkey on Wednesday that Hamas’s military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, carried out what he described as a “heroic operation” with the broader goal of sparking a new Palestinian uprising.”

    http://news.msn.com/world/hamas-admits-kidnapping-israeli-teens

    • Atlantaiconoclast on August 21, 2014, 6:29 pm

      Even if this isn’t boasting for something not ordered by Hamas, it doesn’t excuse what Netanyahu did in retaliation. After all, six unarmed Palestinian children had been killed this year by the IDF in the lead up to the kidnapping of the three settlers. So did that give Hamas the right to kill Israelis?

  12. MHughes976 on August 21, 2014, 5:17 pm

    However, the Western media now have a Muslim villain again and the indignation will far surpass anything that the likes of us can raise over the Gaza horrors.

    • seafoid on August 21, 2014, 6:29 pm

      Zionism desperately needs lots of “look over there! ” . They don’t wany anyone looking at what has become of Dorian Israel.

      http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/08/21/final-thoughts-on-israel-and-palestine/
      “And more than securing Israel’s security, ending the occupation is a matter of securing Israel’s soul. What strikes me most about interacting with Americans on this issue, even political and informed Americans, is how many don’t fully comprehend the rise in ultra-conservatism and ethno-nationalism in Israel. People don’t want to think of Israel as that kind of country, and so they shut their ears to it. Yet the evidence grows every day; Netanyahu’s cabinet is virulently extreme, the fringe right-wing parties grow more powerful, the racism and bigotry of the street protests more and more explicit and unafraid. Look, just today, we learn that the Israeli government is targeting the family of Mohammed Abu Khder, the 16 year old Palestinian who was burned to death by Israeli terrorists. This is the type of ugliness, of nastiness, that is seeping into the firmament of Israeli society. This is what journalists like Gideon Levy and Max Blumenthal have been investigating in their work, and this is why they are considered so dangerous: because they threaten to expose to progressive people the reality of the growing reactionary nature of Israel’s internal politics.”

      • Walid on August 21, 2014, 10:07 pm

        “Dorian Israel”

        Super-great imagery to describe Israel, seafoid, your best to date.

  13. gracie fr on August 21, 2014, 5:28 pm

    Egypt’s Al-Mesryoon newspaper reported on Wednesday quoting a statement by Hamas’s senior leader Al-Zahar that was broadcast by Al-Aqsa, a television channel close to Hamas, as saying: “Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu making a connection between Hamas and the Islamic State is a deception, which aims to incite the world against Hamas….He further stated, “Hamas is a national resistance movement and its aim is to liberate Palestine.”
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/13628-al-zahar-comparing-hamas-with-islamic-state-a-deception

    • Walid on August 21, 2014, 10:04 pm

      ““Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu making a connection between Hamas and the Islamic State is a …”

      It’s actually good that he is. Few people here have been interested in serious discussions about a serious problem that has been growing by the day. Now that Netanyahu has linked this ultra fundamentalist group to Hamas, people here are suddenly interested. This group of bad guys now fully controls an area in Syria and Iraq larger than the UK that includes a 6 million people; it also has hundreds of Europeans in its ranks that are ready to go back to their countries to start terrorist activities there. 911 was child’s play compared to what these guys are up to.

      • can of worms on August 22, 2014, 2:54 am

        On the contrary, the more you study it in depth the more you begin to see it was hardly child’s play, it required immense control of institutions. Time people start taking an interest in it, seriously, it’s the only thing that can derail the “savage” racism (Hamas=Muslims=Al Qaeda=Isis).

  14. seafoid on August 21, 2014, 5:31 pm

    Israelis are really suffering
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/sports/.premium-1.611893
    “War delays start of Israeli soccer season
    The league opts not to hold every match in the north, where all is quiet.”

    The terrorists must be punished
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.611677
    “Gaza severely short of water for drinking and bathing
    A major consequence of the water shortage, caused by Israeli strikes, is the outbreak of skin disease and other infections.
    Even in normal times, more than 90 percent of Gaza’s water is unfit for drinking because Israel requires the Palestinian Authority — which is responsible for the water system — to make do with the groundwater located in Gaza itself, despite the enormous growth of the Strip’s population. This has led to constant overpumping, which in turn has resulted in seawater and sewage contaminating the groundwater. Therefore, people depend on the purification plants for drinking water. ”

    And to think the bots say Gaza could have been Singapore 2.0 ! FFS.

    No daylight between the US and Israel. Otherwise civilization is in danger.
    Israel may have to go fully fascist in order for civilization to be saved.

    Is this G-d’s plan ? Call toll free now.

  15. bopfromthedarkside on August 21, 2014, 5:42 pm

    Who was that masked man? Mosssad? CIA? An ISIS dude with a pocket full of dollars?

    • Walid on August 21, 2014, 10:22 pm

      bop, ironic how yesterday the US asked for help to economically chocke IS. These characters are now selling oil to the (NATO-member)Turkey at something like $20/barrel that is channeling it to Europe. They are also picking up $1/barrel transit fees on the Kurdish oil that flows in the pipeline running through its controlled territory on its way to the terminal at Ceyhan, Turkey where it’s loaded on ships destined for Israel and the US. And funny that there is no complaint about the oil price slashing from Saudia or the UAE and Kuwait. There’s something very weird going on. Also weird how the US okayed deliveries of sophisticated arms ($500 million) to the rebel faction in Syria that is allied to IS in the same way the Iraqi army left all of its weapons in Mosul before fleeing. Twilight Zone stuff.

      • Keith on August 22, 2014, 9:11 pm

        WALID- “Also weird how the US okayed deliveries of sophisticated arms ($500 million) to the rebel faction in Syria that is allied to IS in the same way the Iraqi army left all of its weapons in Mosul before fleeing.”

        Not weird at all. How else are they going to supply their asset without being too obvious to ignore? ISIS fits rather well into empire’s plans for the Middle East, just as the Ukrainian neo-Nazis are useful in isolating Russia from Europe.

      • Walid on August 23, 2014, 2:06 am

        Keith, IS is starting to step beyond the bounds of its initial mandate and by doing so probably hastening its own demise. It was set up and mandated to be a destructive element to fragment the area to enable its reshaping (new ME and all that jazz) by the world’s master builders to their aspirations of having Iraq split into 3, Syria into 2, Lebanon into 3 and so on. But somehow along the way, IS tasted the power in its hands, like it and has started doing some rebuilding of its own, and this isn’t going down very well with its masters. Doing a number on the Syrians and the Iraqi Shia was OK and even a few massacres of the Yazidis were tolerated but when it reached within striking distance Iraqi Kurdistan’s capital, Irbil, and the vast American oil interests, the US yanked the rope, which cost Foley his life.

      • RoHa on August 23, 2014, 4:29 am

        That seems to be a recurring problem with these guys. The US and Israel set up groups like Al Qaeda, Hamas, and so forth, to split up opposition and/or do their dirty work, but then those groups start getting their own ideas.

  16. michelle on August 21, 2014, 5:55 pm

    .
    things that make you go huh
    .
    % Arab population in world
    of this % what % exibit untoward aggression
    % Muslim population in world
    of this % what % exibit untoward aggression
    % Jewish population in world
    of this % what % exibit untoward aggression
    % Christian population in world
    of this % what % exibit untoward aggression
    .
    http://search.aol.com/aol/search?s_it=client96-newtab&query=define+isis
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • john h on August 23, 2014, 1:03 am

      Huh?? Your link is to “define ISIS”, I saw nothing of your % things.

  17. seafoid on August 21, 2014, 5:58 pm

    Is there any chance ISIS might be a sockpuppet to justify more military spending and boost a flagging US economy ?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/general-john-allen-obama-isis-james-foley-killing

    • just on August 21, 2014, 6:08 pm

      Not out of the realm of possibility at all. More war, more MIC, more enemies…..more ‘terror’.

      I know that we (and others) create mayhem.

      • seafoid on August 21, 2014, 6:16 pm

        QE isn’t working. War is the old reliable.

        http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2012/07/10/1078071/the-negative-fear-bubble/

        ” Capital must be destroyed in order for liquidity to be usefully deployed once again — especially if it is to deliver investment returns.Hence, why wars are so hugely useful for dealing with economic depressions. They permanently and effectively destroy capacity. Not just the surplus capacity that plagues the system, but core capacity, which serves a genuine economic need. Indeed, it’s the need for the capacity to be reinstalled that in many ways justifies a return on investment again.”

        It is such a sick system.

        BTW growth in Iraq is back to 8% now. Imagine that in the US.

  18. seafoid on August 21, 2014, 6:13 pm

    @MJayRosenberg · 21h

    Hillary still in talks with AIPAC to get permission to say something about Michael Brown.

  19. Rusty Pipes on August 21, 2014, 7:02 pm

    For the past three and a half years of the “Arab Spring,” the media has been covering the conflicts, especially in Syria and Egypt, at length (even if not in adequate depth). The American people have been exposed to all sorts of opinions about the Muslim Brotherhood, in Egypt, in Syria, in Palestine and Qatar. Among the points that have been emphasized over and over, is that although MB is conservative Sunni sect, that they have significant differences with Wahhabbists. Further, before the Arab Spring, Hamas had distinguished itself from other MB groups as being more of a national than a regional movement (even though it did align with broader MB regional goals during the Arab Spring, it has since refocused on national Palestinian goals). The only commonality for Americans between ISIS and Hamas is that they are both listed by the State Department as terrorist organizations, although for different reasons: ISIS, an offshoot of AQI, has targeted Americans, Hamas is an enemy of Israel. If anything, Israel’s massacre of Gaza may cause more Americans to question why we have an organization on our terrorist list just because our BFF, Israel, hates it.

    • Walid on August 21, 2014, 10:44 pm

      Rusty, MB is also Wahhabist, but of a milder version. They too want the world to return to the ways of 1400 years ago, but they want to do it gradually in small steps. On the other hand, the Salafists are more hardcore Wahhabist and they want to return to same place in time only they want it yesterday. IS is also Wahhabist but of the ultra kind that has no reservation of how gory they may have to act to get there but they are willing to wait a bit if big money is involved. Report came out this week that IS has made hundreds of millions in the last few years from ransoming many kidnapped Europeans but that it was being kept secret by the Europeans. Story leaked yesterday by Foley’s paper about the 100 million euro IS had asked the US government to pay to spare Foley and when the US answered them with a drone strike in Iraq and a failed rescue mission in Syria, that’s when they killed Foley. Same offer was made for the second journalist being held and the US was warned by IS that it won’t wait long for the answer. Lebanon also has its hands full with IS that captured 30 Lebanese soldiers and policemen a few weeks back and are offering to release one hostage for every 10 terrorists that Lebanon frees from its jail. Last night, one terrorist was freed.

      • RoHa on August 22, 2014, 7:15 am

        Thanks, Walid. Your posts on these matters are far more informative than the MSM.

  20. Rusty Pipes on August 21, 2014, 7:09 pm

    While we expect right-wing Islamophobes like Pamela Gellar to be calling occupied Palestinians “The enemies of all civilized countries,” one would hope for our Democratic leaders to distance themselves from such messaging.

  21. biorabbi on August 21, 2014, 8:09 pm

    What I do find funny is equating Hamas with the Muslim Brotherhood, or Bin Laden, or ISIS is attacked by Hamas apologists in the west. Fine. But does Hamas itself consider itself a Muslim Brotherhood front organization who admires Bin Laden? Right ISIS and Islamic Jihad and Hamas distinct entities.

    • kalithea on August 22, 2014, 12:30 am

      Wrong, ISIS equals Zionism and Hamas equals MB. Recognize truth when it stares you down: ISIS and Zionism are in a league of their own when it comes to outdoing each other on barbaric brutality and supremacism.

      Hamas is a resistance militia, kind of like Hezbollah resisting Zionist Occupation of their land, only Hezbollah have a much better situation less vulnerable within their country and are much better armed.

    • kalithea on August 22, 2014, 12:43 am

      This is the same man who said 9/11 was very good for Israel and the same man who lied about the deaths of the 3 teenagers for political interest and the same man who incited crowds against Rabin. What do you expect? He sold his soul to Zionism.

    • Kay24 on August 22, 2014, 7:09 am

      He lacks class, is a warmonger, a soul less human being, who lies blatantly to justify the crimes of his nation.

      So the world will not be surprised that he is using the horrible assassination of an American journalist, to make his enemies look worse, and justify HIS war crimes.

      Only the US congress will give him a standing O for this one.

  22. Sibiriak on August 21, 2014, 11:21 pm

    Before Hamas=ISIS appeared out nowhere, Israel was quite accomodating to Palestinian rights and national aspirations.

    • RoHa on August 22, 2014, 5:53 am

      “Before Hamas=ISIS appeared out nowhere, Israel was quite accomodating to Palestinian rights and national aspirations.”

      Yes, we noticed that Israel gave the Palestinians full, equal, rights.

      What do you mean by “national aspirations”?

    • justicewillprevail on August 22, 2014, 7:34 am

      They were so ‘accommodating’ that they drove them off their land and took their homes. Their ‘rights’ were extinguished by officially making them stateless and subject to martial law. Their national aspirations have been downgraded to ghettos and prison camps. Long before Hamas, which is nothing like Isis. Only the IDF shares the same ruthless fundamentalism.

    • Kay24 on August 22, 2014, 8:38 am

      Very accommodating I must say, they accommodated a brutal occupation, took away their accommodation by demolishing homes, and accommodated illegal settlers.
      Very accommodating. What planet do you live on?

  23. globalconsciousness on August 21, 2014, 11:39 pm
  24. kalithea on August 21, 2014, 11:43 pm

    Twisted Zionist-coerced foreign policy meant to bring down Iran, Hezbollah and Alawites in Syria gave rise to ISIS. ISIS was convenient to Zionists; the enemy of their enemy. Should ISIS continue to grow in numbers and spread through the Middle East; it will eventually become Israel’s worst nightmare, which is the logical conclusion since Zionists opened this Pandora’s box and unleashed these demons on the rest of the world, and IS will be back to bite them and steamroll Zionism.

    Here’s the thing: these barbarians hate Christians, hate Shiite Muslims, hate Kurds but above all they hate Jews and especially Zionist Jews. Do Zionists imagine that these savages would tolerate a Zionist state in their midst or hesitate for a moment to chop them up in little pieces if challenged? Lucky for Zionists they’re still distracted with establishing their Caliphate. Zionists better hope and pray that ISIS don’t succeed or they’ll finally meet their equal in savagery.

  25. wondering jew on August 22, 2014, 1:41 am

    No. The equation between ISIS and Hamas is false. Hamas equals the Muslim Brotherhood and the MB equals Hamas, that’s close to a true statement. The Palestinian people: 1. is occupied and 2. is much more modern than Egyptian society, so Hamas is not as popular in Palestine as Muslim Brotherhood was in Egypt and the MB blew it in Egypt. Big time. If only from a strategic point of view, they could still be ruling Egypt with an upward trajectory of power and instead they are an outlawed movement.

    I know little about Isis, the Egyptian and then Greek goddess. But a character by the name of Isis was the subject of a song by Dylan and so I get a kick out of the fact that this notorious jihadi movement of 2014 is called Isis.

    • wondering jew on August 22, 2014, 2:01 am

      off topic- in andrew sullivan’s latest column I found these words that express my motivations.

      “What American defenders of Israel must recognize is that it is Israel’s diplomatic isolation that threatens it in the long term, not Hamas’s rockets. And the occupation will always isolate Israel, because the occupation is wrong.”

    • just on August 22, 2014, 8:35 am

      “Last year, Assad was the enemy. This year? We’re making friends with Syria

      Oh the fickleness of humanity and history! This time last year, the British parliament was recalled by the prime minister, who appeared confident that he would receive a mandate to join the US in air strikes on Syria – the immediate and urgent reason being the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad’s, use of sarin gas to crush the growing uprising against him. Of course, “we” had few illusions about either the unity or the ethics of those rebels, but the argument was that there were enough people we could do business with and the Assad regime was the greater evil.

      Fast forward a year, and authoritative word has winged its way across the Atlantic from the Pentagon – in the shape of a joint press conference by the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the defence secretary, no less – that the only way to halt the advance of Islamic State (Isis) in northern Iraq is to bomb … Syria. But this time not the forces – official and unofficial – of Assad, but the Syria of his enemies. Because, hey, we have revised our view of the lesser evil.”

      http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/22/bashar-al-assad-syria-james-foley-british-us-foreign-policy?commentpage=1

      Most interesting are some of the comments.

      I still put the growth of ISIS/ISIL in the lap of the powers both in and out of the region.
      Our wish for regional hegemony and propensity for creating mayhem/death/destruction along with our “allies” know no bounds. Why did we demonize Assad in the first place, Hillary/McCain/Netanyahu? Remember Saddam (our friend) until he wasn’t? It’s also good business for the MIC if we have “enemies”. Israel is much the same, of course.

      (Edit: not meant to be in response to yonah– I clicked in error!)

      • MHughes976 on August 22, 2014, 9:15 am

        Our Defence Secretary has just remarked that he couldn’t possibly contemplate (which means he is contemplating) an alliance with Assad, though someone influential – I think Lord Dannatt, former head of the armed forces – is urging it openly.

      • just on August 22, 2014, 9:21 am

        From the Guardian article I linked to above:

        “The philosophical turnaround was no more graphically illustrated than in the interview given to the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme this morning by the former head of the British army, Lord Dannatt. You can harbour misgivings about Dannatt as a particularly glib espouser of superannuated military thinking, but his statements carry authority. And what he said essentially was that “we” should have been better informed about the history and geopolitics of Syria a year ago and if we had been so informed, we would have had more time for Assad. Now, overtly or covertly, we have to get talking to him because the enemy of our enemy has to be, in the most basic practical sense, our friend. What he did not say, but might have raised a chuckle or two in Moscow, was that a year ago the Russians (“our” other new enemy) were right.”

      • MHughes976 on August 22, 2014, 10:03 am

        Sorry, that should have been Foreign Secretary (Philip Hammond) and former head of the Army (Lord Dannatt).

      • lysias on August 22, 2014, 10:28 am

        I wonder if Hague was dumped because he was insufficiently reliable on ME issues.

      • Walid on August 22, 2014, 12:58 pm

        just, about yesterday’s foe becoming today’s friend in Syria, in a post on the Ari Shavit thread, voltairenet journalist/publisher Thierry Meyssan summed up the players in Syria:

        “… that there was no difference on the ground between the Free Syrian Army, Al-Nosra Front, the Islamic Emirate etc … All these organizations are composed of the same individuals who continuously change flag. When they pose as the Free Syrian Army, they fly the flag of French colonization and speak only of overthrowing the “dog Bashar.” When they say they belong to Al-Nosra Front, they carry the flag of al Qaeda and declare their intention to spread Islam in the world. Finally when they say they are the Islamic Emirate, they brandish the flag of the Caliphate and announce that they will clean the area of all infidels. But whatever the label, they proceed to the same abuses: rape, torture, beheadings, crucifixions.”

        In a nutshell, Meyssan is saying they are all the same you-know-what but assume different roles at different times to fit the occasion. Not long ago, on July 28th, Congress approved President Obama’s request for a “second” $500 million to provide arms, including TOW anti-tank missiles for the Syrian insurgency that was calling itself the FSA at the time. Getting back to Meyssan, since he is saying that the FSA, the Nusra, and IS are all cousins and helping one is helping all, you can guess where a good part of the American taxpayer’s money ended up. It isn’t any wonder that IS is so adequately equipped. FSA are the characters that John McCain met with along with the man that eventually became the Caliph of IS.

        From Circa Canada:

        “Obama asks Congress for $500 million to arm Syrian rebels
        WORLD NEWS – JULY 28, 2014 11:00AM

        As the situation in Syria deteriorates and peace talks have made little progress, the U.S. has increased armaments sent to rebels.
        Copyright 2014 Reuters
        1
        Pres. Obama on June 26 asked Congress for $500 million to arm and train Syrian rebels that have passed security screenings as part of an ongoing covert U.S. intelligence initiative in Syria. The request is bundled into a $65.8 billion foreign operations proposal.
        2
        “This is a very critical moment for the Free Syrian Army. We are fighting on two fronts, and the situation is growing more urgent every day.”
        HUSSAM AL-MARIE, REBEL SPOKESMAN
        Arms and ammunition to a few vetted rebel groups have accelerated at the border of Syria and Turkey, a July 27 Washington Post report says. The arms to the rebels are separate from President Obama’s $500 million proposal to train and equip the rebels.
        3
        The U.S. Congress approved supplying arms to Syrian rebels that do not belong to Islamist brigades, in late January. The U.S. had halted shipments after Islamic militants seized rebel bases and supply warehouses. Funding–approved through Sept. 2014–will go through Jordan and includes light arms. ”
        COPYRIGHT 2014 REUTERS

        http://cir.ca/news/global-efforts-to-aid-syrian-rebels

    • just on August 22, 2014, 8:36 am

      Hamas=Hamas. Palestinian resistance.

      That’s all. Simple.

  26. DICKERSON3870 on August 22, 2014, 4:53 am

    RE: Later he [Netanyahu] tweeted that ISIS and Hamas are “Two branches of the same poison tree,” and cited the oppression of women, Christians and gays as a shared program. And he tweeted this… : “Hamas is ISIS. ISIS is Hamas. They’re enemies of Peace. They’re enemies of all civilized countries.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: I’m not one to gloat and self-satisfyingly say “I told you so”, but I have often half-seriously/half-jokingly said that Twitter is the devil’s workshop (ostensibly because it can be* such a “hot medium” in the McLuhan sense).

    * Rather than using Twitter as a “cool medium” to genuinely ‘promote interaction’, Netanyahu is instead using it as a “hot medium” to spoon-feed, à la Father Coughlin, the basest of rank propaganda to the global ‘proles’ he is trying to manipulate/control.

  27. just on August 22, 2014, 9:01 am

    Miko Peled:

    “……..Cooperation with the Israeli authorities might lead to short-term relief but it also validates Israel’s “right” to terrorize and humiliate Palestinians with our consent, “we” being all people of conscience. Whether we are Palestinian or not, the call of the hour is non-cooperation and resistance against injustice.

    Today, Israel and its supporters lay the blame for the violence in Gaza on Hamas. But Israel did not start its assaults on the Gaza Strip when Hamas was established in the late 1980s. Israel began attacking Gaza when the Strip was populated with the first generation refugees in the early 1950s.

    Palestinians, particularly in Gaza, are not faced with an option to resist and be killed or live in peace. They are presented with the options of being killed standing up and fighting or being killed sleeping in their beds.

    “Sea of hatred”

    Gaza is being punished because Gaza is a constant reminder to Israel and the world of the original sin of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and the creation of a so-called Jewish state. Even though Palestinian resistance has never presented a military threat to Israel, it has always been portrayed as an existential threat to the state.

    Moshe Dayan, the famed Israeli general with the eyepatch, described this in a speech in April 1956. He spoke in Kibbutz Nahal Oz, an Israeli settlement on the boundary of the Gaza Strip where Israeli tanks park each time there is a ground invasion of Gaza.

    “Beyond the furrow of this border, there surges a sea of hatred and revenge,” Dayan said then. Ironically, when six months later Israel had occupied Gaza and my father was appointed its military governor, he said that he saw “no hatred or desire for vengeance but a people eager to live and work together for a better future.”

    Still, today, Israeli commanders and politicians say pretty much the same: Israel is destined to live by the sword and must strike Gaza whenever possible. Never mind the fact that Palestinians have never posed a military challenge, much less a threat to Israel.

    After all, Palestinians have never possessed as much as a tank, a warship or a fighter jet, not to say a regular army.

    So why the fear? Why the constant, six-decade-long campaign against Gaza? Because Palestinians in Gaza, more so than anywhere else, pose a threat to Israel’s legitimacy.

    Israel is an illegitimate creation brought about by a union between racism and colonialism. The refugees who make up the majority of the population in the Gaza Strip are a constant reminder of this.

    They are a reminder of the crime of ethnic cleansing upon which Israel was established. The poverty, lack of resources and lack of freedom stand in stark contrast to the abundance, freedom and power that exist in Israel and that rightfully belongs to Palestinians.

    Generous offer

    Back at Ben Gurion airport that night, I was told that if I cooperate and plead with the shift supervisor it would make the security screening go faster. When I declined this generous offer, I was told they “did not like my attitude.”

    They proceeded to paste a sticker with the same bar code on my luggage and give me the same treatment Palestinians receive.

    As I write these words, the number of Palestinians murdered by Israel in Gaza has exceeded two thousand. Ending the insufferable, brutal and racist regime that was created by the Zionists in Palestine is the call of our time.

    Criticizing Palestinian resistance is unconscionable. Israel must be subjected to boycott, divestment and sanctions. Israeli diplomats must be sent home in shame. Israeli leaders, and Israeli commanders traveling abroad, must fear prosecution.

    And these measures are to be combined with disobedience, non-cooperation and uncompromising resistance. This and only this will show mothers, fathers and children in Gaza that the world cares and that “never again” is more than an empty promise.”

    read the whole thing, it’s worth it! @ http://electronicintifada.net/content/gaza-reminds-us-zionisms-original-sin/13775

    • adele on August 22, 2014, 9:55 am

      thanks for posting this Just.

      • just on August 22, 2014, 11:03 am

        My distinct pleasure– it is so powerful and RIGHT.

      • Mooser on August 22, 2014, 11:40 am

        My distinct pleasure– it is so powerful and RIGHT.

        Yes, but will it stand up to Woody Allen or “The Lion King”?

      • just on August 22, 2014, 11:47 am

        Funny you should ask. I’ve been thinking for awhile about organ grinders and monkeys wrt US, Zionists, and Israel– who’s playing the tune, who’s the entertainer, who’s benefiting, who’s the audience, etc.

        Then I thought of this that still makes me laugh:

        But, seriously, Miko, Max, Ilan, Gideon, and many others have been telling the truth for a long time.

    • JeffB on August 23, 2014, 9:12 am

      @Just

      Nonsense. If the Gazans declared that they wanted to live in peace with Israel in Gaza and were willing to take forward actions to structurally meet Israel’s security demands there wouldn’t be any attacks on Gaza. The West Bank 10 years ago was being treated fairly roughly. Since the PA has been keeping violence under control Israel has rarely had to militarily intervene.

      In America since we’ve started fracking we’ve been having lots of oil fires that are doing property damage and killing people. We’ve taken pretty strong action, regarding improving safety infrastructure. Those actions are both expensive in terms of materials and labor. That’s not because oil fires are a symbol of the illegitimacy of American inhabitation but rather states try and protect their people from injury.

      • just on August 23, 2014, 11:05 am

        “Nonsense. If the Gazans declared that they wanted to live in peace with Israel in Gaza and were willing to take forward actions to structurally meet Israel’s security demands there wouldn’t be any attacks on Gaza. The West Bank 10 years ago was being treated fairly roughly. Since the PA has been keeping violence under control Israel has rarely had to militarily intervene.”

        The WB is STILL “being treated fairly roughly” under OCCUPATION. You didn’t notice? What about the “security demands” of all of the Palestinian people, including the people in Gaza that your beloved Israel has massacred?

        Your second paragraph re: fracking in this context is more than a bit odd– it’s something to behold, indeed.

  28. bintbiba on August 22, 2014, 10:09 am

    Ilan , Miko , Max , Heroes of our time. (Of course there are others, but these are so prominent !)
    I don’t usually gush… but these giants among men help keep my sanity . These days I am so confounded with anger and sadness, that words fail and therefore I don’t comment any more. Shmuel and Hostage are sorely missed on this site. I hope they are keeping safe and well.
    My deep appreciation to all Mondoistas for holding the fort.

    • just on August 22, 2014, 10:19 am

      Gather your strength and come out swinging when you are ready, bintbiba. ‘Til then, many more are joining in the fight for justice and freedom each and every day.

      Long live Palestine.

    • Shmuel on August 22, 2014, 12:21 pm

      These days I am so confounded with anger and sadness, that words fail and therefore I don’t comment any more.

      I share your anger and sadness, dear bintbiba; and your silence.

      • bintbiba on August 22, 2014, 3:42 pm

        Thank you dear Shmuel! I am REALLY lost for words these days . I hope one day we will be able to say thank goodness it is over. It is too much to bear …and we are far from the real danger! I don’t pray, unfortunately. So what to do?? I cry a lot and listen to some beautiful music making. Please would you look up Wissam Boustany’s youtube ..There is pure goodness there.
        Keep well .

  29. lysias on August 22, 2014, 11:15 am

    AlJazeera:
    Scores dead in attack on Sunni mosque in Iraq: Shia armed group kills at least 73 people inside place of worship in the city of Baquba in eastern Diyala province.
    :

    Diyala police officials told the Reuters news agency they had provided Shia militias with names for hit lists so that suspected members of the Islamic State group could be tracked and executed.

    Iraqi security forces killed more than 255 Sunni prisoners in July in apparent retaliation for killings of Shias by the Islamic State group, according to Human Rights Watch.

    Sounds like the intersectarian massacres of a few years ago are happening again.

  30. Vera Gottlieb on August 22, 2014, 12:07 pm

    Is it ‘the blind leading the blind’ or ‘the idiot leading the idiot’? How can supposedly college educated people come up with so much bullshit. Hitler’s Reich didn’t last and neither will ‘telegenic’ Bibi’s…How does one appeal to a conscience that isn’t there?

  31. Karl Dubhe on August 22, 2014, 1:52 pm

    Does this mean that Ben’s stepping up to lead the fight against ISIS?

    I wouldn’t be totally opposed to that. Better to let the locals take care of that group of idiots than to send in the arsonists who set the blaze that let those idiots come into being.

    Oh, wait. That is going to make a bad situation even more bad, isn’t it?

    Is there anyone on the planet who’s not an arsonist?

  32. Keith on August 22, 2014, 8:45 pm

    Netanyahu has some chutzpah comparing Hamas to ISIS. Many are convinced that ISIS is a creation of US intelligence and other Middle East allies. It is no secret that the US supported al Qaeda fighters in Libya and Syria, and ISIS provides a means to completely splinter the Middle East, reinforce the “clash of civilizations” meme, and to provide an excuse for ongoing US military involvement in the Middle East. A couple of quotes from many that I have read:

    “In fact, as Infowars.com has noted for months, ISIS, formerly al-Qaeda in Iraq, is a force designed by the CIA and trained by the U.S. military. It has received assistance and funds from Saudi Arabia, the Gulf emirates, and Turkey. Its mission is a continuation of the “Clean Break” plan to destroy the Middle East and further balkanize the region.” (Kurt Nimmo)
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/iraq-obama-blames-intelligence-failures-for-isis-gains-masking-plan-to-expand-war-in-middle-east/5395513

    “What is notable, however, are the circumstances surrounding the initiation of the bombing and what may have prompted American military action now, after allowing ISIS (entirely funded, directed, created, and armed by the West – notably the United States) to seize vast swaths of territory across Iraq.

    Why bomb Iraq now you might ask? And why bomb the area surrounding Erbil?

    The answers to this question lie in the simple fact that the area surrounding Erbil – the Kurdish region of Iraq – is a “hub for US oil companies.” (Brandon Turbeville)
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/bombing-iraq-for-u-s-oil-companies/5395527

  33. JeffB on August 23, 2014, 9:03 am

    @john h says:

    There are two different questions here:

    1) Were the Palestinians offered the vote?
    2) Were their good reasons when they were offered the vote they turned it down?

    I completely agree with you the Palestinians had good reasons for turning it down. But the claim was they were never offered it when in fact they were offered it repeatedly and refused. I absolutely agree with you that when Palestinians at the time they were offered equality were trying to stop Jewish migration not jointly build a state. They wanted their culture to dominate the land. One claim is factually true, one is factually false.

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