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In late July while Israel’s 50-day offensive Operation Protective Edge was in its final weeks, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-hand man met with a group of journalists in Jerusalem. Tensions were at a peak; the ground invasion had just ended and the air campaign was at an unstable pause. The Israeli Minister of Intelligence Yuval Steinitz was about to give the first political strategy briefing on what the Jewish state would want for the future of Gaza, what it would go on to lobby for in truce talks once reconvened in Cairo.

Meanwhile in another part of the Middle East, ISIS carried out its first public decapitations that grabbed Western headlines– they killed over 50 Syrian soldiers and mounted their heads in a town square. Gaza and Israel were overshadowed by the Islamic group that had declared a new caliphate.

Back in Jerusalem on that July afternoon the Steinitz made the case for the de-militarization of Gaza and to strategically turn the besieged coastal strip “into Ramallah.” It would have been a blockbuster announcement, if not for ISIS. For years the Israeli-Palestinian conflict had centered around the status of the West Bank, but over the summer it became clear that Gaza was going to dictate the future of Israeli-Palestinian relations, and either shore up or break Palestinian national unity.

Steinitz continued that weapons were still in the hands of Hamas, the root of the current strife, and removing those weapons was a “precondition for any serious relief” to the Gaza Strip. “You cancel the terror threat, the rocket threat from Gaza on Israeli citizens and you can cancel the restrictions so the so-called siege on Gaza,” he said.

Steinitz debuted the Israeli government’s most powerful argument for de-legitimization of Hamas: the ISIS comparison.

PowerPoint presentation by the Israeli government on the similarities between Hamas and ISIS at the Jerusalem Press Club, August 13, 2014.. (Photo: Allison Deger)

PowerPoint presentation by the Israeli government on the similarities between Hamas and ISIS. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Breaking News“It’s the same organization and it’s the same aim,” said Steinitz. He then turned the platform over to another Israeli government official to present a PowerPoint presentation of “a short comparison between Hamas and other Sunni Islamic terrorist organization,” noting, “It is one family of different organizations.” Then, fumbles over technical difficulties and swallowed laughter from the foreign press corps as the purpose for this meeting became clear: the West v. ISIS.

“The final goals are similar, to make an Islamic hegemony, not just in Israel, Iraq or Syria. But all over the world,” said Steinitz as the lights lowered and the slides were cued up. Yet as Jonathan Cook reviewed earlier this month, Hamas does not, never has, and likely never will call for Islamic hegemony. Christian Palestinians who live in Gaza endure the same life quality as their Muslim counterparts under the authoritarian and elected government of Hamas. There was no great purge of Christians—as ISIS is carrying out—when Hamas came to power in 2006, and no Christians have ever been asked to pay jiziya, a special tax dating to the Ottoman era where non-Muslims would be taxed in order to be exempt from military duty– a tax ISIS briefly implemented. If Christian Palestinians chose to do so, they can even fight in Hamas’s armed wing. In short, they have the same status as Muslim Palestinians. And it has to be stated that whatever torment Hamas has inflicted by policing the Palestinians in Gaza with an iron fist, it pales in comparison to the broad scale poverty inflicted by eight years of siege and erasure of entire towns during Protective Edge.

An opening image in the PowerPoint displayed Hamas’s political bureau leader Khaled Meshal with a child of no more than five years wearing a green Hamas headband, with green flags. The adjacent image was of a child decorated in the black flag used by all Salafi Islamic groups, including ISIS. But in the Palestinian context, there is no love for ISIS. Though   local Salafi group called Hizb-ut-Tahrir has sported the black flag for the past decade when calling for the return of the caliphate, Hizb-ut Tharir’s dissidence is aimed at the Palestinian Authority. One protest was held outside of an equal opportunity job office, another called for unity between Hamas and Fatah. And last spring they raised their flags against America, chanting “No, no Obama!”—and as I photographed the event the Palestinian protesters kindly greeted me explaining they like the American people, just not the government. It was clear then, as now, that Palestinian groups, even Salafis, are more concerned with the policies that dictate their lives under Israeli occupation than the esoteric call for a global caliphate. Moreover, Hamas and the Palestinian Authority have both cracked down on Salafi groups as they represent a row over domestic power.

And herein lies a major failing of the Hamas-ISIS comparison. If Salafis have been around in the West Bank calling to re-make the caliphate for nearly a decade, why is it that Hamas is suddenly being compared to ISIS? During the PowerPoint, the Israeli official said, “We chose them [ISIS] because they are also in the news these days.”

“Hamas, ISIS, al-Qadea,” were all listed in a spreadsheet projected onto a white screen, as groups having a “global outlook” calling for the “establishment of a global caliphate.”

Boko Haram, though also cited, had no “global outlook.”

Next the Hamas Charter appeared on screen quoted as, “The enemies have been scheming for a long time…they also used the money to establish clandestine organizations which are spreading around the world…such organizations are the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, Lions Clubs, B’naith B’rith and the Like…they stood behind WWI so as to wipe out the Islamic Caliphate…”

But Hamas was not advocating for a return of the caliphate. When Hamas referenced the caliphate, that had more to due with seeing Israel as the next in a series of foreign rulers than wanting to turn the clock back in time. Western intervention into the Middle East during World War I ended in formal European colonization of the region. As the treaty of Versailles was inked, the borders of every country in the region were drawn by Europe, except for Iran and Turkey (Iran’s independence was compromised by deep economic imperialism from the U.S. and the USSR and Turkey went fascist, hardly leaving the region free and independent.)

Even in its contradictory statements on establishing a state, Hamas has never advocated for boundaries beyond the June 1967 lines, or in all of historic Palestine (occupied Palestinian territory and Israel minus the Golan). They do retain leverage in negotiations with Israel by not recognizing Israel, but that’s a far cry from wanting to take over the world. Hamas also has an “open door” policy of meeting with Western diplomats, as noted by Cata Charrett in her researched backgrounder on the group.

Within days of Minister Steinitz’s resounding pound against Hamas as comparable to the most violent Sunni Islamist group to date, Netanyahu parroted his remarks, calling Hamas and ISIS both “branches of the same poison tree.” From then on, ISIS and Hamas were echoed as evil equals. When US congressmen Elliot Engel and Ed Royce visited Netanyahu at the beginning of September, Netanyahu told them, “We’re fighting not just Israel’s war, but I think a common battle against enemies of mankind – Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, ISIS.” In turn the Engel said, “we in the United States in a bipartisan way certainly agree with that assessment,” promising to lobby the U.S. foreign affairs committee on behalf of Israel.

In August days after journalist James Foley was gruesomely beheaded on camera by ISIS, the Israeli government again reached out to journalists emailing a “background document,” because, “over the past few days, the issue of the similarities between the Hamas and ISIS terrorist organizations has been in the headlines.”

I’m including the full factsheet entitled “Operation Protective Edge – Similarities between Hamas and ISIS – Background Doc.” There’s the usual brainwashed children, women’s rights material, but the poetry is in the framing of international law:

 

25 August 2014

MFA: Similarities between Hamas and ISIS:

Background Document

Over the past few days, the issue of the similarities between the Hamas and ISIS terrorist organizations has been in the headlines.

The following points demonstrate the similarities between the two organizations:

Worldview and Aspirations

1.    Both terrorist organizations share a global expansionist worldview which aspires to establish a caliphate: a Muslim regime ruled by Sharia (religious Muslim laws).

2.    Both organizations are extensions of global movements of radical Islam: Hamas is an extension of the Muslim Brotherhood while ISIS is an offshoot of al-Qaeda.

The Centrality of the Use of Violence

1.    Both terrorist organizations view jihad (holy war) and suicide attacks as primary tools for obtaining their goals. The meaning of the name Hamas is “the Islamic Resistance Movement” (the term “resistance” is a codeword for terrorism and armed struggle).

2.    Both organizations have seized territory by force: Hamas took Gaza in a coup against the Palestinian Authority in 2007 and ISIS has taken control of large parts of Iraq and Syria.

3.    Both organizations imposed radical Islamic rule on the territories they captured, through the use of armed force and violence devoid of any red lines.

4.    Both organizations have executed defeated opponents: Hamas murdered members of the Fatah Movement’s Force 17 following its takeover of the Gaza Strip in 2007, while ISIS indiscriminately murdered Iraqi and Syrian soldiers after they surrendered.

5.    Both organizations terrorize the territories they control through intimidation, threats, executions and efforts to apply the most extreme Sharia laws, including the stoning of women suspected of adultery and the execution of homosexuals. ISIS is already applying these edicts, while Hamas parliament members have prepared legislation in this spirit.

6.    Both organizations educate (read: brainwash) children to sanctify death and to die as a martyr (shahid) in jihad.

Intentions to Commit Genocide and Mass War Crimes

1.    Both terrorist organizations strive to commit genocide against their opponents: Hamas has stated its intention to wipe Israel off the map and inscribed the killing of Jews in its charter, while ISIS commits systematic mass murder of populations in Iraq, including Christians, Yazidis and even fellow Muslims, especially Shiites.

2.    Both organizations execute people who are suspected of being close to or supporting their opponents. ISIS executes all those who are suspected of sympathizing with Assad’s regime in Syria or the Iraqi government, while Hamas executes Palestinian opponents as well as anyone suspected of having ties with Israel.

Even the executions themselves are similar – a “drum-head court martial” in which masked people violently murder the victim in a public area with the intention of terrorizing the public.

From the time of Israel’s first declaration that “Hamas is ISIS” it has concurrently conducted indirect negotiations with Hamas to come to an agreement on Gaza—hardly the treatment due to a radical jihadist group. Meanwhile, on the northern border the United Nations have decamped hundreds of peacekeepers this week as the Syrian strife neared the Golan Heights. Israel may have a scrimmage ahead with ISIS, but ISIS is not Hamas.

 

 

 

Allison Deger
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  1. amigo
    amigo on September 20, 2014, 12:05 pm

    Speaking about propaganda, Geller gets the thumbs down from De Blasio re her hate ads.

    N.Y. mayor blasts anti-Islamic ads on city transit
    Bill de Blasio says ads, which aim to ‘tell the truth about Islam,’ are ‘outrageous and inflammatory.’
    By The Associated Press and Haaretz | Sep. 20, 2014 | 2:34 PM | 4

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.616806

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on September 20, 2014, 11:10 pm

      I guess Geller is desperately trying to hide the fact that her beloved nation Israel gets the MOST aid from US taxpayers, and that some Islamic nations get aid so that Israel’s borders are kept safe by those nations.
      Geller is a hate yeller, and represents the zionists quite well here in the US.

  2. a blah chick
    a blah chick on September 20, 2014, 2:10 pm

    “Intentions to Commit Genocide and Mass War Crimes”

    Did anyone else’s head explode after reading that?

    • just
      just on September 20, 2014, 11:02 pm

      yep– good thing i was wearing my helmet.

  3. eljay
    eljay on September 20, 2014, 2:52 pm

    >> Hamas is ISIS.

    Meanwhile, Israel:
    – is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” born of Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
    – remains engaged in a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
    – refuses to honour its obligations under international law;
    – refuses to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
    – refuses to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

    The supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel is an enemy of peace, justice, accountability and equality.

    Suck on that, MFA.

  4. seafoid
    seafoid on September 20, 2014, 3:07 pm

    Pathetic hasbara from the country that killed 500 children recently. And had citizens chanting that gaza had no more children.

  5. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870 on September 20, 2014, 3:50 pm

    RE: “He [Steinitz] then turned the platform over to another Israeli government official to present a PowerPoint presentation of “a short comparison between Hamas and other Sunni Islamic terrorist organization,” . . . “The final goals are similar, to make an Islamic hegemony, not just in Israel, Iraq or Syria. But all over the world,” said Steinitz as the lights lowered and the slides were cued up.

    ANNOUNCING THE GRAND OPENING IN HERZLIYA, ISRAEL OF:

    ~ ~ The Joseph Goebbels Centre for the Advancement of the Propaganda Arts ~ ~

    ■ Our Mission Statement: “A travesty of the truth can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”

    ■ Our Inspiration:
    Official portrait of Dr. Goebbels as the Minister of Propaganda
    • Dr. Goebbels speaking at a political rally against the Lausanne Conference (1932)
    The Goebbels family. In this vintage manipulated image, Goebbels’ stepson Harald Quandt (who was absent due to military duty) was added to the group portrait.
    • Dr. Goebbels’ on the appropriate role of the press/media.
    • Dr. Goebbels’ extremely narcissistic, but incredibly timely prophecy!

    • DICKERSON3870
      DICKERSON3870 on September 20, 2014, 4:01 pm

      P.S. URI AVNERY ON THE SORRY STATE OF THE ISRAELI MEDIA/PRESS, AND HOW THE ISRAELIS HAVE BEEN “BRAINWASHED”:
      “Israel’s Weird Elections”, by Uri Avnery, Counterpunch, 1/04/13:

      [EXCERPTS] . . . The Israeli media are already to a large extent neutralized, a creeping process not unsimilar to what the Germans used to call Gleichschaltung. [SEE: Gleichschaltung @ Wikipedia – J.L.D. ]
      All three TV channels are more or less bankrupt and dependent on government handouts. Their editors are practically government appointees. The printed press is also teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, except the largest “news” paper, which belongs to Sheldon Adelson and is a Netanyahu propaganda sheet, distributed gratis.
      [Naftali] Bennett repeats the ridiculous assertion that almost all journalists are left-wingers (meaning traitors.) He promises to put an end to this intolerable situation. . .
      . . . In the coming four years, the official annexation of the West Bank to Israel may become a fact. . .
      . . . If the government continues on its present course, this will lead to certain disaster – the entire country between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River will become one unit under Israeli rule. This Greater Israel will contain an Arab majority and a shrinking Jewish minority, turning it inevitably into an apartheid state, plagued by a permanent civil war and shunned by the world.
      If pressure from without and within eventually compels the government to grant civil rights to the Arab majority, the country will turn into an Arab state. 134 years of Zionist endeavor will come to naught, a repetition of the Crusaders’ kingdom.
      This is so obvious, so inevitable, that one needs an iron will not to think about it. It seems that all major parties in these elections have this will. Speaking about peace, they believe, is poison. Giving back the West Bank and East Jerusalem for peace? God forbid even thinking about it.
      The weird fact is that this week two respected polls – independent of each other – came to the same conclusion: the great majority of Israeli voters favors the “two-state solution”
      , the creation of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders and the partition of Jerusalem. This majority includes the majority of Likud voters, and even about half of Bennett’s adherents.
      How come? The explanation lies in the next question: How many voters believe that this solution is possible? The answer: almost nobody. Over dozens of years, Israelis have been brainwashed into believing that “the Arabs” don’t want peace. If they say they do, they are lying.
      If peace is impossible, why think about it? Why even mention it in the election campaign? Why not go back 44 years to Golda Meir’s days and pretend that the Palestinians don’t exist? (“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people…It is not as though there was a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away. They did not exist.” – Golda Meir, June 13, 1969) . . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/04/israels-weird-elections/

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson on September 23, 2014, 10:08 am

        Yes, that’s pretty much the point I think maybe I was trying to make (however ineptly).

    • thetumta
      thetumta on September 22, 2014, 7:34 pm

      Goebbels is so not relevant. I think he would be amazed at what can actually be sold! A rank amateur, it would seem?

      Hej! Tumta

  6. just
    just on September 20, 2014, 6:08 pm

    Thanks Allison.

    Israeli propaganda is never a surprise– it’s entirely predictable and despicably redolent of Islamophobia. Hamas is resistance and bears NO resemblance to ISIS/ISIL… NONE.

    In the area of the ME that comprises Palestine and Israel, I see only one side that is illegally seizing land, imposing an apartheid rule that values and rewards adherents of Judaism above all, and terrorizes a captive and Occupied population daily through a grotesque variety of measures that are all aimed at their ultimate goal of ethnically cleansing the land of the indigenous people.

    I could go on, but you probably get my drift.

    Thanks Allison.

  7. DaBakr
    DaBakr on September 20, 2014, 8:51 pm

    it’s pretty obvious how much less brutal Hamas is for dragging a live man through the street tied to a vehicle then is IS who head chops.

    • eljay
      eljay on September 21, 2014, 6:30 pm

      >> DaBarkeee: it’s pretty obvious how much less brutal Hamas is for dragging a live man through the street tied to a vehicle then is IS who head chops.

      They’re pretty much on par with Zio-supremacists who pour gasoline down someone’s throat and then set them on fire to burn alive.

    • Taxi
      Taxi on September 21, 2014, 10:35 pm

      “It’s pretty obvious” that zio missiles and drones behead too – my my the f*cking hypocrisy of state terrorists and their terrorism!

      Israel = nazisis!

  8. ckg
    ckg on September 20, 2014, 9:57 pm

    And don’t forget, there is no difference between ISIS and CAIR according to World Net Daily.

  9. Mayhem
    Mayhem on September 20, 2014, 10:33 pm

    Deger happily ignores whatever refutes her line of argument. She overlooks key parts of Meshal’s speech on 7 December 2012 made after he had returned to the Gaza Strip to mark Hamas’ 25th anniversary:

    “First of all, Palestine – from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, from its north to its south – is our land, our right, and our homeland. There will be no relinquishing or forsaking even an inch or small part of it. Second, Palestine was, continues to be, and will remain Arab and Islamic. It belongs to the Arab and the Islamic world. Palestine belongs to us and to nobody else.”

    Refer http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/12/10/transcript-hamas-terror-chief-gaza-speech-video/

    • amigo
      amigo on September 21, 2014, 6:44 am

      “First of all, Palestine – from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea, from its north to its south – is our land, our right, and our homeland. There will be no relinquishing or forsaking even an inch or small part of it. Second, Palestine was, continues to be, and will remain Arab and Islamic. It belongs to the Arab and the Islamic world. Palestine belongs to us and to nobody else.” mayhem

      Your link states that the “Translation ” and tape are provided by “MEMRI”.

      Nuff said.

      Now lets compare the Likud charter, source not in question.

      “a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

      b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”

      c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”

      d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

      http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/netanyahu%E2%80%99s-party-platform-flatly-rejects-establishment-of-palestinian-state

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem on September 21, 2014, 7:23 am

        @amigo, please spare us the same old obfuscations and distractions.
        We are not discussing the charter of one of Israel’s political parties but you have to go there – like a moth that is attracted to the light.

        Not one refutation of my assertions about the bellicose intentions of Hamas – just the usual bluff and off topic hot air that is bread and butter Mondoweiss.

      • annie
        annie on September 21, 2014, 12:15 pm

        We are not discussing the charter of one of Israel’s political parties but you have to go there – like a moth that is attracted to the light.

        huh? you’re being hypocritical. this post was not discussing meshal’s speech on 7 December 2012, but like a moth you went there. and you went there with an an unreliable islamophobic source. the supporting link leads to another article to the same source (itself) and that link leads to http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-chiefs-gaza-visit-sign-of-regional-embrace/ which doesn’t make the same allegations. the video it presents is from memri, known for their lying translations. and we’re supposed to take you seriously? you don’t think msm covered this? you provide memri? take a hike w/your divert divert divert!

        so it is you, here who ignores amigos comment, whatever refutes your line of argument. it is you who overlooks key parts of the Likud charter! we’re not your fools. practice what you preach.

        and it is not as if the msm didn’t cover this event. why don’t you go fishing and find us a reliable source if you care to be taken seriously, try harder: https://www.google.com/search?q=Exiled+Hamas+leader+Khaled+Meshaal+visits+Gaza+for+first+time&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

        algemeiner or frontpage mag or atlas shrugs or any of those sites do not cut it here.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem on September 22, 2014, 5:15 am

        Robbins, here is one other media outlet that corroborated what MEMRI had reported
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/9732323/Hamas-leader-Khaled-Meshaal-tells-Gaza-that-Palestinians-cannot-cede-an-inch-to-Israel.html

        Most media who report from Gaza rely on sources that are compromised. They don’t speak Arabic and their stringers always have to watch over their shoulders for the Hamas police who control what they can say –
        refer http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/5/may-hamas-rules/?page=all

        Lastly unlike yours my comment is right on topic as it exposes the lies that Mondoweiss writers are happy to propagate in defence of their beloved Hamas.

      • annie
        annie on September 22, 2014, 7:40 am

        here’s something from the nyt right up your alley mayhem http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/world/middleeast/suspicions-run-deep-in-iraq-that-cia-and-the-islamic-state-are-united.html?referrer=&_r=0

        Suspicions Run Deep in Iraq That C.I.A. and the Islamic State Are United (and not just in iraq)

        President Obama has insisted repeatedly that American military action against the Islamic State depended on the installation of a more inclusive government in Baghdad, but he moved ahead before it was complete.

        it certainly did divert the news from israel slaughtering palestinians, didn’t it?

        and you’re linking to clifford may? why not daniel pipes while you’re at it?

        Lastly unlike yours my comment is right on topic

        i’d say in a post about israeli propaganda likud charter is definitely as relevant as your memri crap, which btw, the independent did not support memris full translation.

        speaking of isis, what do you think of the big new threat to america? http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/09/us-launches-new-fud-campaign.html

      • eljay
        eljay on September 22, 2014, 7:57 am

        >> Mayhem: Not one refutation of my assertions about the bellicose intentions of Hamas

        Hamas has bellicose intentions, but for over 60 years the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians.

        The intentions of Hamas do not justify Israel’s very real and ON-GOING (war) crimes.

    • Shingo
      Shingo on September 28, 2014, 6:43 am

      They don’t speak Arabic and their stringers always have to watch over their shoulders for the Hamas police who control what they can say

      Rubbish. Reporters who were in Gaza, giving first hand accounts, say otherwise.
      http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.609589

      Robbins, here is one other media outlet that corroborated what MEMRI had reported

      No it doesn’t. It states that the speech “ruled out any territorial concessions over Palestinian territory or recognition of Israel, while also calling for Palestinian national unity.” That has nothing to do with what MEMRI claims.

      Lastly unlike yours my comment is right on topic as it exposes the lies that Mondoweiss writers are happy to propagate in defence of their beloved Hamas.

      Rubbish. Your obfuscation, hypocrisy and whataboutery came back to bite you and you cried foul when you were exposed as a shill.

  10. RoHa
    RoHa on September 21, 2014, 12:51 am

    I give up.

    Israel has beaten me.

    My powers of sarcasm, satire, and mockery are by no means nugatory, and yet time and time again they fail to match the absurdity of Israel, so that I am reduced to simply gawping in disbelief.

    I will probably still, from time to time, try, in a desultory, defeated, manner, to make some witty quip, but it will always be with the knowledge that whatever I say will not be equal to the occasion.

    • Talkback
      Talkback on September 21, 2014, 2:27 am

      I know the feeling. How can you make a joke about a joke?

    • Mooser
      Mooser on September 21, 2014, 11:48 am

      RoHa, look, there’s nothing funny about Israel, but there is still a lot of humor to be squeezed out of the way Zionism has turned us into an embittered, entitled aristocracy. From “human dust” to “Ahkenazi +15IQ” in one-and-a-half generations.

      And the saddest part is that it is looking like even Israel-critical or anti-Zionist folks use the Zionist conception of “the Jews” as a starting-point for thinking about it.
      I suppose I could drive if I had a fun-house mirror for a rear-view. But replacing the windshield with carnival surplus is not a good idea. I’m gonna go put on my Jewish jeans.

    • Antidote
      Antidote on September 22, 2014, 7:41 pm

      guide to ME terrorist groups (satire)

      https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:ME-Terror-Guide.jpg

      • annie
        annie on September 23, 2014, 1:17 am

        your link worked for me antidote, you don’t have to repost it .

  11. bilal a
    bilal a on September 21, 2014, 8:25 am

    Its sickening when religious people express hatred and bigotry as religiously sanctioned . This includes Muslims, Buddhists, etc and lately many liberal Christians.

    case in point, the ignorant ‘christian’ bigot Rod Dreher. Someone should write an analysis of his articles repeatedlu dripping with racial animus and incitement.

    The Arab Barbarians, The American Conservative
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-arab-barbarians/comment-page-1/#comments

  12. Mooser
    Mooser on September 21, 2014, 11:42 am

    Israeli propaganda? Just a whiter shade of fail.

    • seafoid
      seafoid on September 21, 2014, 11:56 am

      Get your war on, April 10 2007

      “they are mad because they have no idea what they are doing”

  13. seafoid
    seafoid on September 21, 2014, 11:54 am

    “Both organizations educate (read: brainwash) children to sanctify death and to die as a martyr”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZhX6FdNoH0

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.611822
    “He adds: “The schools are not geared for this. They can only impart basic knowledge and skills, hold examinations on them and grade the students. In fact, they have a hard time doing even that. In classes of 40 students, with a strict curriculum and exams that have to be held, it is impossible to engage in values-based education.”
    Yaron, a senior lecturer in sociology at Ashkelon Academic College, emphasizes how important teachers and the principal (and the education system in general) feel it is to stick to the curriculum and the lessons schedule – two islands of quiet amid a risk-laden reality.
    • “Doing this makes it possible for the teachers not to enter a dynamic sphere, which obligates openness and is liable to open a Pandora’s box, too,” he notes. “The greatest threat to the teacher is that there will be noise – that someone will complain, that an argument will break out, etc. That danger looms especially large in subjects that interest young people, such as sexuality, ethnicity, violence and racism. Teachers lack the tools to cope with these issues, so they are outsourced, which only emasculates educational personnel even more.”
    • In general, there is a whole series of subjects that are not recommended for discussion in schools, such as the Nakba (or “catastrophe,” the term used by Palestinians to denote the establishment of the State of Israel), human rights and the morality of Israeli army operations. This was one of the reasons for the warnings issued by Tel Aviv University and Ben-Gurion University of the Negev during the fighting in the Gaza Strip about “extreme and offensive remarks.”

  14. Gene Shae
    Gene Shae on September 21, 2014, 11:38 pm

    Did you know that Hamas is still holding the bodies of Israeli soldiers? Heartless,ghouls.

    • Taxi
      Taxi on September 22, 2014, 12:22 am

      Release the thousands of political prisoner and underage Palestinian children you flaccid wannabe victim!

      • just
        just on September 22, 2014, 7:54 am

        Nice to have you back Taxi!

        ( ‘flaccid wannabe victim’– perfect for so many people)

    • amigo
      amigo on September 22, 2014, 1:04 pm

      “Did you know that Hamas is still holding the bodies of Israeli soldiers? Heartless,ghouls. “gs

      Are you referring to the former or the latter???.

      Oh by the way, did you know Israel trades in dead Palestinian/ Hizbollah resistance fighters.

      Do a little research Gene before you lunge in head first.

      Did you not learn that in Law School????.

      • Gene Shae
        Gene Shae on September 22, 2014, 3:08 pm

        Ok, I thought whataboutyouery is a no- no.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on September 28, 2014, 6:46 am

        Ok, I thought whataboutyouery is a no- no.

        So why do you keep doing it?

    • Shingo
      Shingo on September 28, 2014, 6:44 am

      Did you know that Hamas is still holding the bodies of Israeli soldiers? Heartless,ghouls.

      Unlike Israel, who’s bombs turn bodies into pink mist and body parts burried under tonms of rubble.

    • Shingo
      Shingo on September 28, 2014, 6:46 am

      Hey Gene,

      Did you know that Israel trades in the organs of dead Palestinians. Heartless necrophile death cultists.

  15. joer
    joer on September 22, 2014, 5:45 am

    JJ Goldberg wrote a column about ISIS and I wanted to comment, but most of my comments are removed by the moderator there. I think I would have made a good point. The first paragraph is:

    Something absolutely astonishing is going on right now in northern Syria along the Turkish border: refugees streaming on foot across the barbed-wire frontier by the tens of thousands, fleeing the advance of the terrorist army known as the Islamic State. As many as 100,000 refugees, mostly Kurds, have crossed the border in the past week — up to 60,000 on Saturday alone — while ISIS enters and occupies village after village with tanks and heavy artillery.

    My comment was:

    Funny how history repeats itself:

    Something absolutely astonishing is going on right now in Palestine along the Egyptian border: refugees streaming on foot across the barbed-wire frontier by the tens of thousands, fleeing the advance of the terrorist army known as the Jewishc State. As many as 100,000 refugees, mostly Moslems, have crossed the border in the past week — up to 60,000 on Saturday alone — while Israel enters and occupies village after village with tanks and heavy artillery.

    • just
      just on September 22, 2014, 7:57 am

      well done, point taken, joer.

    • amigo
      amigo on September 23, 2014, 7:38 am

      Reply up thread to GS.

      “Ok, I thought whataboutyouery is a no- no.” GS

      You obviously did not read the comments policy.

      If you had , you would be aware that “whatabout-you-ery ” is not mentioned.

      Must be the “Supremist” in you.

      Do you write your own briefs councillor??.

      • joer
        joer on September 25, 2014, 10:43 am

        amigo-
        You write like Shakespeare in that I need foot notes to understand what you are saying.

  16. James Canning
    James Canning on September 22, 2014, 1:55 pm

    Hamas offered Israel a 100-year truce in 2008. Worse than Isis? Nonsense.

  17. cogit8
    cogit8 on September 23, 2014, 2:51 am

    IS = JS

    The Jewish State couldn’t stand it when Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq and there were no bombings in Baghdad and no Islamic radicals in the streets. So JS got rid of Saddam ostensibly “to promote peace in the Middle East”, but in actuality it was to promote sectarian hatred and Arab on Arab violence in the region.

    The Jewish State couldn’t stand it when Assad ruled Syria and etc, etc. So JS is getting rid of Assad etc, etc.

    Now comes IS (or Da’esh) in the wake of JS cunning! and it was only natural that IS would fill the vacuum of destroyed Iraq, destroyed Syria, and destroyed Libya (to name just a few JS triumphs).

    Stay tuned as JS caused chaos grows more IS (adding up to WW3 in the words of Pope Francis).

  18. kalithea
    kalithea on September 24, 2014, 1:18 am

    But-but, here’s the catch when Zionists have to choose between ISIS, Syria’s AQ-Al-Nusra AND Hezbollah and Iran…they’d rather ISIS and AQ prevail! Oh what the heck, it’s only Americans and Brits who are being beheaded, that’s all!

    As a matter of fact Israel just helped Al-Nusra in its attempt to open a path into Lebanon by downing a Syrian jet in the Golan Heights that was chasing down these AQ-affiliated terrorists.

    So ISIS, and Al-Nusra should know they have a new best friend, and I for one, can see they all have a lot of bloodthirst in common!

    Here’s Michael Oren confirming who Israel prefers.:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgBsTT0h_SA&sns=fb&app=desktop

    When ISIS gets through slaughtering in Iraq and Syria and starts marching into Jordan I hope Oren pays them a visit on the border and gets a taste of their hospitality.

    Lemme put it this way, ISIS, can do more damage with a knife and conventional weaponry, than Iran would ever do with a nuclear arm.

    Selfish, apathetic AND stupid describes the Israeli mentality.

  19. Mooser
    Mooser on September 24, 2014, 3:10 pm

    BTW, “Boko Haram” means “not of this world” or “far from these worldly things”. Something like that.

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