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Earlier this week I wrote a post criticizing Rabbi Danielle Leshaw, the director of the Ohio University Hillel, for supporting a group that denies the existence of the occupation, and she called me a “douchebag” and an “asshole” on her twitter feed, @RabbiDanielle. When others knocked Leshaw for her crudeness, the rabbi removed the namecalling, then repeated the “douchebag” comment, and at last made her Twitter feed private two days ago — available only to those she approves to follow her.

But I’d been reading her feed and copying tweets while it was public, for two reasons. One, Danielle Leshaw is an entertaining writer who in a sincere, profane, and pithy manner expresses the crisis of the liberal Zionist in an era of Jewish nationalist violence. Two, she has played a central role in what she calls the “shitshow” at her school over the Gaza bloodbucket challenge issued by Megan Marzec, the student Senate president, on September 2. I believe Leshaw helped create a climate of Jewish fear following the event.

But let’s go to the record.

I only got as far back as July in Leshaw’s twitter feed before it was shut down, but it was clear that the Gaza onslaught this summer caused Leshaw enormous anguish. She often expressed concern for the Gaza victims but quickly jumped back to support Israel. The images from Gaza generated pity and despair in her.

Here are some of those anguished tweets:

July 23

I want to be among people that feel really sad that lives have been lost. Not just the lives of Israelis.

July 23
I think everybody is losing their mind #Israel #Gaza

July 25
My only advice for the day, to a group of students: Don’t hate on Gaza. Hate on Hamas.

July 27

I just spent the past 30 minutes looking at photos of Gaza. And now I feel weak.

August 9

I’d rather be protesting in Tel Aviv right now

Emergency medical relief for gaza hospitals.

August 11
[A girl’s name evidently her daughter] asked yesterday: Who is going to help rebuild Gaza? How much is it going to cost? Where are they all living now? What next?

But it was clear where Leshaw’s heart was. On July 25, she tweeted:

Amsterdam tomorrow. Feeling like we’re deserting our people for cheese and canals and bright paint on pretty buildings. #JewishGuilt

I’m not sure where Leshaw was traveling from, but it seems she felt guilty that she wasn’t in Israel. Leshaw has spent recent summers in Israel and her  twitter pin says that her home is “Ohio * Israel.”

Leshaw also expressed qualms about leaving New York this summer, where she has family, to return to Athens, Ohio:

I’m a little nervous to return to Athens. To be among a collective community of people that don’t grapple with Israel and Gaza… well…

But maybe I’m also relieved to not be returning to an urban center where blind solidarity is the only appropriate response?

Her ambivalence about Athens’s non-Jewishness was a theme of a piece she wrote in a Jewish journal of ideas earlier this year. She said that she felt “unsettled” as a Jew in one of the “least Jewish spaces in all of America,” and so did Jewish students who had grown up in Jewish suburbs. But maybe this was the Jewish condition:

There are regular and admittedly difficult moments when our family feels unsettled, Jewishly, in the place that we also feel deeply devoted to. My 8 year-old daughter might be the only member of the family completely satisfied with everything her little town offers: Rebecca, the American Girl doll, is enough Jewish company for her.

Being unsettled doesn’t mean being unhappy or unfulfilled or even ungrateful. I want my Jewish students to know that Judaism happens where you make it happen. Community gathers if — but only if — you agree to participate. And just because we’re in a town without the traditional Jewish infrastructure doesn’t mean that Judaism can’t happen here in truly creative and life-changing ways.

My college students are also unsettled. They’ve chosen to transplant themselves from Cleveland or Pittsburgh — urban or suburban areas with all the Jewish trimmings — and make a temporary home in one of the least Jewish spaces in all of America. They huddle and create micro-Jewish communities. They ghettoize their neighborhoods and sign lease agreements and live within a few feet of each other. They mourn the distance between themselves and their hometown kosher eateries that offer fluffy matzah balls and pastrami sandwiches. Their identities have shifted from majority to minority and from normal to exotic.

The Athens Leshaw returned to made her even more uncomfortable in the aftermath of the Gaza conflict. The Israel/Palestine issue was coming to Ohio in a new way, and Leshaw was apprehensive about the growing BDS movement, calls for boycott, divestment and sanctions. Four tweets opposed BDS:

Aug 14

Just sent my first ever email that said: We need to meet about BDS. #damn I thought we were immune in our little Appalachian hideaway.

August 21

We can either talk about Caterpillar or we can talk about kids that needs medical assistance.

Instead of a BDS campaign, I’d rather a tzedakah [charity] campaign for Gaza. Let’s actually do something.

Sept 3

Know what happens with #BDS? A whole lotta mansplaining. And I’m the lucky gal that gets to listen. No thanks

Leshaw continued to feel sympathy for the people of Gaza. On August 25 she tweeted:

Not a terrible idea to take a look at the #rubblebucketchallenge.

This was a reference to a Gaza initiative to have people pour buckets of rubble over their heads to memorialize the onslaught. That was of course a twist on the big charity trend, the ALS ice-bucket challenge, which left Leshaw cold. (“Every participant should be forced to give $100 for cancer research for subjecting us to their #IceBucketChallenge videos. #stop”)

Then came the bolt from the blue.

On September 2 Megan Marzec, the president of the Ohio Univeristy Student Senate, posted a video in which she accepted the ice bucket challenge from Roderick McDavis, the president of Ohio U, but with a twist: wearing a t-shirt that called for Ohio University to divest from Israel, she decried “genocide” in Gaza and occupation of the West Bank, called for academic boycott of Israel, and then dumped a bucket of fake blood over her head.

Rabbi Danielle Leshaw had greeted Marzec into her job last April– “Holy Shit. You won”– and she felt rage and betrayal on seeing the video. She seems to have learned about it the next day:

Sept 3

Tonight: the Jews of OU feel sad, betrayed, and angry. It’s possible this has never happened before in the history of this campus.

On September 4, she wrote an open letter to Marzec in The Post, the student paper, calling on her to resign and stating that she had made 800 Jewish students (out of an enrollment of 27,000) feel unsafe. The word unsafe or safety occurred four times in the piece, three of them in these excerpts:

how could you possibly do such a thing if you have a relationship with the campus rabbi?…

Your video marginalizes and isolates students. It makes Jewish parents want to bring their kids back home to the safety of the Jewish suburbs. It makes alumni want to pull their funding. It makes Jewish organizations call and demand that we do more. It makes people threaten, and when we don’t comply and do exactly what they say, they threaten some more. But I can’t do more. There’s actually not much for us to do, except gather our students and tell them that they’re safe and that they’re loved and that yes, it’s true, their student senate president isn’t qualified for the job….

Megan – that offer for drinks at Casa still stands. But I think you need to step down, and give somebody else the chance to lead our Ohio University student population. Somebody that won’t polarize, or divide, or marginalize, or ‘other,’ or cause hysteria, or make students feel unsafe. Yes, that’s what your video has done. You – Megan – the one person that would hate to ‘other’ another, has marginalized an entire group of students, an estimated 800 of them. Our Jewish students deserve a leader capable of serving everyone.

The call for Marzec’s resignation was also issued by a pro Israel group on campus, Bobcats for Israel, of which Leshaw is an administrator. And when an alumni petition started up calling for Marzec to step down, Leshaw’s Hillel called on people to sign it.

Leshaw threw herself into the campaign against Marzec as if it were a civil rights issue for Jews. Her tweets from the September 10 student Senate meeting at the school that was disrupted by Bobcats for Israel, resulting in the arrests of four of the students leading that “filibuster,” have a Freedom Rider partisan thrill:

A perfect storm seems to be assembling against the forces of pro-Israel. [quoting the Times of Israel]

The filibuster has begun. And it’s not going to stop.

Tonight, Jewish students were called Nazis and fascists.

Wake up and go to the Courthouse.

Athens is a shitshow right now

Two tweets suggested a climate of fear:

For everybody’s well being, we are not answering the land line at Hillel today. Email if you need to.

As if we didn’t have enough to deal with, there are escaped inmates all over the state of Ohio.

Obviously I’m not in Athens. Megan Marzec has gotten death threats, I am sure there have been threats to the other side. Though Leshaw has also received official support. Former Congressman Eric Fingerhut, the head of Hillel International, has backed her up all the way. So has Jenny Hall-Jones, the dean of students of Ohio University (who has also led a Peace Interfaith walk on campus). Recent tweets by Leshaw said that lawyers from around Ohio were reaching out to help the arrested students and that both the Cleveland Jewish Federation and the Israel on Campus Coalition — Zionist organizations — were “in the house.”

So that’s the shitshow. The political questions are whether or not Marzec survives this battle and whether Hillel is forced by Open Hillel to clamp down on Zionist rabblerousing by Hillel directors. Should a Hillel, which is dedicated to enriching Jewish life, be demanding the resignation of a student leader who has made a sensational appeal on behalf of victims of a massacre committed by Israel? That was the thrust of Shmuel Semoneta-Gertel’s comment on Leshaw, questioning

why a Hillel rabbi is an administrator of and active participant in a political club on campus. In the case of Israel, this serves to reinforce the widespread confusion between Judaism and Zionism that contributes directly to the sense of “unsafeness” you [Leshaw] say some Jewish students experience when Israel is criticised (certainly harshly in the case of Student Senate President Megan Marzec’s, recent actions and statements). Furthermore, openly taking such a political position would presumably alienate non-Zionist Jewish students, who should not be denied Jewish religious, cultural and communal ties and services (particularly on a campus where there are few Jewish alternatives), simply on the basis of their political beliefs.

Leshaw’s activism will surely be discussed at the Open Hillel conference in Cambridge next month aimed at liberating Hillels from Zionist orthodoxy.

The larger political issue involves Zionist claims. The premises of American Zionism are that Jews are often unsafe in the west and therefore we need our own country on ethnically-cleansed and militantly defended land in the Middle East that we have to support but where we don’t have to live. (“So honored to be on the front page of Haaretz supporting my country, ISRAEL,” Becky Sebo, one of the students arrested in Athens, who grew up in a Cleveland suburb, tweeted the other day)  I am an anti-Zionist because these political ideas are profoundly misguided; I believe in doykeit, hereness, the idea of making your Athens, or Jerusalem, wherever you are. Leshaw believes in Jewish unsafety. And after an agonizing summer in which Israel slaughtered Palestinian children and Leshaw felt a need to defend the country from threats in the Middle East and in the U.S., she saw her fears personified in Megan Marzec.

Philip Weiss

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  1. just on September 19, 2014, 4:14 pm

    Love the title.

    I fail to see her concern, sympathy or anguish for Gaza or Palestinians. Sorry Phil. She seems far more concerned with possible damage to Israel’s image than for the actual victims of Israel’s deliberate and grotesque genocidal assault on innocents.

    (Do Rabbis usually curse and verbally abuse others like she does?)

    • Krauss on September 19, 2014, 5:08 pm

      her twitter pin says that her home is “Ohio * Israel.”

      The good rabbi should just make aliyah and be done with it. Her heart lies in Israel, not in America, and she shouldn’t be hypocritical about it. She does enough damage here and we don’t want her here anyway. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, Danielle!

      • on September 20, 2014, 8:00 am

        I suspect she is in love with a fantasy construct of Israel. Not the real thing.

      • seafoid on September 20, 2014, 10:12 am

        Aliyah (going up) is no longer an appropriate word to describe moving to Israel, a failing state run by sociopaths.

    • EliStern on September 19, 2014, 8:09 pm

      “She seems far more concerned with possible damage to Israel’s image than for the actual victims of Israel’s deliberate and grotesque genocidal assault on innocents.”

      That’s an old canard that Jews are morally inferior and only care about themselves. Even Truman said it in his anti-semitic diary. Obviously the rabbi cares about the Palestinians.

      • annie on September 19, 2014, 9:45 pm

        That’s an old canard that Jews are morally inferior

        there was no mentioned of “jews”. nor is the rabbi a stand in for “jews”. she’s just one person. fail!

        look on the bright side; israel supporters, by identifying the state as ‘jewish’, merely has to accuse all/any who criticize either the state or any of the states citizens or supporters as ‘racist’ and can therefore deflect all criticism based on this one alleged criteria. therefore, you can avoid formulating actual arguments or rebuttals. you don’t even have to think, it’s like a one size fits all response.

        by speaking en mass for a whole people, you can collect everything that has ever been said about any jew, and add it to the list of ‘canards’ (to which we can now add: “far more concerned with possible damage to Israel’s image than for the actual victims” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/the-rabbi-shitshow/comment-page-1#comment-710759 , one might not recognize that as racist speech but alas, if the person being accused is jewish, it adds a whole new meaning seeing as it is ‘canard protected’). by creating a database by which anything that has ever been said about any jew in the past can’t be claimed about any jew in the future lest the accuser or the observer will automatically become ‘racist’, and since people don’t like being labeled as racist, they will be scared of criticizing an action or outcome they see as derogatory, if the person being called out happens to be jewish.

        this sounds like a really effective defense/NOT. and here’s why. many individuals, no matter what race or ethnicity they are, say and do things to protect their images and the images of ones they love. this is not a jewish thing, it’s a people thing. not all people, but it’s not ethnic specific. it happens in all races, ethnicities, nationalities etc etc. jews, as individuals, are not immune from this. nor should they be protected, as individuals, from criticism just because of some historical claim of innocence. it’s very likely that in the past and present there were/are jews (along with every other type of people regardless of classification) who were or are “morally inferior and only care about themselves” (albeit that was not the charge, they are your words). they even have more concise words to describe this human condition*: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080319081305AAc1FIe

        * note how in the descriptions not one person said “jewish”. that doesn’t mean it also might not apply to a jewish person.

        i hope that’s clarifying for you. and thanks for sharing.

      • on September 20, 2014, 8:02 am

        Eli. She clearly is more concerned with Israel’s image than with Israel’s victims.

      • MRW on September 22, 2014, 7:16 am

        @annie,

        they even have more concise words to describe this human condition*: link to answers.yahoo.com

        There’s an even better word. The Greek word “idiotes.”

        “The original Greek word “idiotes” referred to people who might have had a high IQ, but were so self-involved that they focused exclusively on their own life and were both ignorant of and uncaring about public concerns and the common good.”

        […]
        In the old Greek City States a man who looked after his own affairs exclusively, and did not bear any share of the burdens of public responsibility was called an idiotes.

      • annie on September 22, 2014, 8:05 am

        thanks for teaching me a new word mrw ;)

      • Kathleen on September 23, 2014, 11:22 am

        Leshaw feeling “pity” for Palestinians is very different than feeling empathy or compassion. But feeling even feeling “pity” and not turning that feeling into sympathetic actions is empty.

        Leshaw or anyone else believing that the this critical issue has not been activated in Athens for literally decades has their head in the sand. Art and Peggy Gish and many others have been deeply involved for four decades. Hope Leshaw opens up her heart , mind and Hillel to the facts on the ground. All will benefit

    • Marnie on September 20, 2014, 12:34 am

      “For everybody’s well being, we are not answering the land line at Hillel today. Email if you need to.

      As if we didn’t have enough to deal with, there are escaped inmates all over the state of Ohio.”

      Oh my what a drama queen! I think she missed her true calling as stand up performer. she’s unreal. How she is qualitied to provide spiritual guidance and assistance has got me confused. Or another possible career – over the road trucker or merchant marine.

      • Kathleen on September 23, 2014, 11:25 am

        great points

  2. seafoid on September 19, 2014, 4:30 pm

    “This was a reference to a Gaza initiative to have people pour buckets of rubble over their heads to memorialize the onslaught. That was of course a twist on the big charity trend, the ALS ice-bucket challenge, which left Leshaw cold. ”

    Protective Slaughter was fascinating for this- it undermined so many “progressive” Jews and their carefully parsed positions on Israel. MJ Rosenberg is another good example. He says for example Netanyahu is a fucking barbarian but anyone who dares mentions BDS is an anti-Semite. I don’t know how you would program that in Excel.

    This sort of incoherence will become more and more prevalent as Israel goes deeper and deeper into darkness.

    We have to look at Bourdieu for some guidance on this because it is all about Jewish power and the exclusively Jewish right to frame the discussion.

    http://www.amazon.com/Language-Symbolic-Power-Pierre-Bourdieu/dp/0674510410

    One of his aphorisms is that ‘the dominant retain their position by constantly changing their stance’.
    This leads to all sorts of real world contradictions, so the debate has to be structured in such a way as to ensure the ‘nonsensical aspect’ is concealed. This is usually achieved by limiting the scope of the debate, the number of ‘legitimate’ contributors, and shutting down alternative debates by force if necessary.

    That is how Fox managed to keep the IDF narrative going but it fell apart on Twitter because it’s a people thing rather than a framed thing.

    the Palestinians were getting out pictures like this
    https://twitter.com/iFalasteen/status/494677208703574018/photo/1
    and this
    https://twitter.com/abdellahiAM/status/493924264601329664/photo/1

    while committed Zionists in the States were reduced to defriending people on Facebook because they had NO HASBARA. No way to frame the madness. Nothing to say.

    And this is prolly the most damaging thing to come out of the summer for Israel.

    And the problem now for people like Leshaw is that it is impossible for her to conceal the nonsensical aspect of her support for the status quo. Zionism is exposed as a load of crap.

    • just on September 19, 2014, 4:44 pm

      Great and insightful comment, seafoid.

    • Citizen on September 20, 2014, 5:25 am

      Yeah, the good rabbi characterized it as a shit show, never thinking she might be a principle one doing the crapping. She struggles with those photos of Gaza’s children. The eats her own puke and crap and shares it all around. Well, there’s no Jewish pope, and isn’t every rabbi merely credentialed as a “teacher”? What does her holy scripture interpretation have to say about those Gaza kids? Anybody ever ask her in public?

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 11:50 am

        “Well, there’s no Jewish pope, and isn’t every rabbi merely credentialed as a “teacher”?”

        Thank you , Citizen.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 5:46 pm

        “Well, there’s no Jewish pope…”

        You know, now that I think about it, I sorta wish there was, in a way, I could use some indulgences.

    • catporn on September 20, 2014, 11:39 am

      Spot on seafoid. For every body battered, bruised or killed and every home or shop crushed to rubble, a thousand pictures shot around the globe unmasking the trite excuses given by “guests” and “Middle East experts” on TV networks.
      Uncensored tweets from Doctors being shelled in under-supplied, tragically overrun Gazan hospitals, as they struggled to look after kids dying in their hundreds, instantly wipes away years of carefully constructed (Israel = fragile, under attack. Palestine = terrorist) narrative. Your garden variety “liberal” Zionist, and Mrs Leshaw is one whether she knows it or not, may find this all a bit confusing and will probably regress to earliest inculcation, the hope is that they can, upon reflection, realise the truth, Israel’s core ideology is racism.

      Megan Marzec did a very brave thing, standing up so publicly takes lots of courage, she did it on behalf of a civilian population undergoing a brutal and inhumane occupation, in the midst of an indiscriminate killing spree, if Leshaw can’t see that for what it is, a good long look in the mirror is needed.

      If your man Bourdieu is right about ‘the dominant retain their position by constantly changing their stance’, we may soon be watching a jig.

  3. Stuart Newman on September 19, 2014, 4:41 pm

    Her tweets sound very uncivil. Perhaps she will be made to resign like the Yale chaplain Bruce Shipman.

    • just on September 19, 2014, 6:13 pm

      Not on your life, Stuart.

      Different rules apply doncha know.

      (btw, Reverend Shipman was most certainly not uncivil. but I’m guessing you know that! :))

  4. Gene Shae on September 19, 2014, 5:08 pm

    Phil, your stalking and observing of this woman is completely wrong. You have no right to bully her in that manner. Your hatred of Israel is driving some terribly anti-social behavior.

    • just on September 19, 2014, 6:07 pm

      LOLOLOLOL!

      Thanks, I needed that.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 11:51 am

        And I thought I could crack an absurd joke once in a while. But compared to Gene Shae, I’m Jacob Adler.

      • Gene Shae on September 20, 2014, 4:44 pm

        Compared to me, you are a nobody

      • just on September 20, 2014, 6:24 pm

        LOLOLOL.

        (pathetic zio)

      • Mooser on September 22, 2014, 8:41 pm

        “Compared to me, you are a nobody”

        Yeah, I ain’t got none of that 2500 year-old Patriarch blood in my veins, like you Gene.
        I’m just human dust from Eastern Europe somewhere, who knows.
        Maybe my forebears were forcibly converted by your Ten-Tribes authentic warrior Jewish ancestors.
        You think maybe a DNA test might settle it?

    • chocopie on September 19, 2014, 9:14 pm

      Stalking??!! Hahahahaha! Yeah, right, he’s stalking her by reading and quoting her public statements.

      So Prof. Steven Salaita was stalked too, right?

      Leshaw is the one who is bullying a student, interfering in student government, and calling for a student leader’s resignation even though she’s an adult and has no standing to interfere in student activities. She should butt out, grow up, and find some adult activities to participate in.

      This is what happens whenever Zionism becomes an issue on campus. Adult Zionists, with apparently limitless resources of time, money, and political connections swarm in and completely overwhelm students who can’t possibly respond adequately when faced with these concentrated attacks. During campus divestment campaigns the same thing happens–outsiders, non-students with massive resources invade the campus and fight student movements. The fact is, it’s the only way Zionists can win on campuses, because there is not adequate support for Zionism among students.

      • Gene Shae on September 19, 2014, 11:36 pm

        And by putting words in her mouth. And by constructing and then publishing narrative about her based on nothing motor than imagination and obsession. And bringing her family into it. And by projecting his own anti-social thoughts and desires about the world. Pretty creepy

      • annie on September 20, 2014, 3:47 am

        And by putting words in her mouth.

        gene, she wrote an open letter, a very personal one, to the student body president (“how could you possibly do such a thing “) asking her to resign. and instead of writing it as her personal opinion she chose to co-opt 800 students (all of whom she does not, and cannot, realistically speak for) which was completely out of her purview.

        plus, for most people who don’t go to the local college down the street from their high school, kids entering college enter a world where they know hardly anyone. it’s new time in life, a coming of age. it’s a time when leaders emerge, people make mistakes, bonds and friendships are formed that often last a lifetime (for me definitely) and people explore and find themselves. she stepped out of line. she made her voice public, not phil. she added her child’s name to the discussion of gaza, not phil. and she placed it out there publicly. no one stalked her.

        if you think her words were taken out of context then make an argument but don’t take the lazy way out by making unsupported accusations. i certainly didn’t have (or need) a camp counselor to speak for me on campus (nor was i ‘huddling’ w/my ethnic cohorts), i doubt most of these jewish kids at OU do either. but she chose to out herself upfront and center. assuming she was their adviser/cheerleader for this fillibuster, it’s fair game. they got attention all over the US and in israel. lil becky sebo was just thrilled about that. but this is not a situation where team pro i gets international press and open letters and team pro p stfu or you call it stalking. you don’t make the rules. she’s fair game.

      • Gene Shae on September 20, 2014, 7:31 pm

        Yes, I know I don’t make the rules. Nor do I want that responsibility.
        So, you unpacked the story nicely. I am not sure that it was Phil’s thesis, but I,get what you are saying. But so what? Why do you care how Jews behave or what leaders they have? You have a beautiful life for from ohio. You are not Jewish. And you are generations away from college age. Why do you care? And just because you feel that these women are fair game, why act on it? Megan, in her position, created fear and hostility. She can do one of the following: be president of the student senate or create scary, violent, over the top, Israel and Jewish hatred videos. She does not get to do both. We here who disagree with you leave your personal life and family out of it nor do we speculate about the things that cause you do be anti israel and to occasionally say hateful things about Jewish people.
        And phil is,great at lionizing strong successful jewish women. Not men and not non Jewish women. So what is that about? Perhaps his whole project stinks of an odd fetish. Why tell us very other day about his non Jewish wife? Who cares? This seems like a race to,the bottom with Richard and MJ. At least Max does not have any weird obsessions

      • annie on September 20, 2014, 10:22 pm

        I know I don’t make the rules…She can do one of the following: be president of the student senate or create … videos. She does not get to do both.

        lol. try harder

        Why do you care how Jews behave or what leaders they have?

        why do i care that israel’s army slaughters palestinians w/the support of my gov and pressure from zionists after decades and decades of unresolved ‘peace process’? divert divert divert. because i am a humane person.

      • Gene Shae on September 21, 2014, 11:55 pm

        In what world is it acceptable for Megan to start a controversial video by saying

        “As a student senate president, I’m sending a message of concern…”
        Aren’t you the one who shamed Rabbi LeShay for allegedly,doing something similar?

        By the way, Megan also made cynical use of a charity and her relationship with the U. President to her point.

        She needs to go

      • Mooser on September 24, 2014, 7:32 pm

        “Yes, I know I don’t make…/… any weird obsessions”

        That is masterful comic writing, pal. I would advise everybody to read it, it’s a pippin!

        I’m no critic, but I know what I like, and Gene, that comment is one of the funniest things I ever read, Thanks!

    • Kathleen on September 23, 2014, 11:29 am

      Phil your honorable willingness to examine the infrastructure of racism without concern for your own comfort zone is to be admired and celebrated. As always thank you thank you….

  5. seafoid on September 19, 2014, 5:11 pm

    I have no sympathy for Leshaw. She’s an idiot who doesn’t understand that her world imploded in July. There is no going back to the world as it was before then,
    Zionism lost it in July . If her identity means she has to defend Israel drunk on gore or sober she should get a new career.

    https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/493469830859599874
    “New Channel 10 poll: 87% of Israelis support continuing the operation in Gaza, 7% support a cease-fire
    Caption on Israeli Channel 10: “Up next, the greatest moments of Protective Edge on TV”
    Additional chants from last night: “Gaza is a cemetery”, “This is the Land of Israel, the country of Jews” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Jj_Oe7uQc
    WATCH: Israeli racists sing last night “School is out in Gaza/ They have no children left there” https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/493375244128641026

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.607496
    “The brigade had been under fire for several hours and the decision was not easy, said an IDF officer involved in the fighting. “Working with the knowledge of the enemy’s location, we put all the Golani soldiers in the Namers [the army’s best APCs] and we fired at our forces. We gave them half an hour to get into the vehicles and we laid down fire, after which there was no more shooting from there, not even light arms fire”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606302
    “Gantz spoke of the need to persevere in carrying out missions and of the moral duty to defend the citizens of Israel without inflicting unnecessary harm on enemy civilians. The pressure on him and the government is mounting. There is enormous sensitivity in Israel to losing soldiers in combat. Paradoxically, it is greater than the sensitivity to the loss of civilian lives.”

    http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/nbc-news/terror-grief-as-israeli-bombs-destroy-gaza-hospital-308607555831

    This stuff is on the internet forever

    • Gene Shae on September 19, 2014, 5:15 pm

      Excuse you Seifoid? According to you you, Israel lost it in May. And before that in Feb. And before that…. You keep moving the goal posts. Are you some sort of clown?

      • seafoid on September 19, 2014, 11:20 pm

        Israel has been morphing for some time . The pathology of its descent into the final destructive form is very like the process by which a man becomes a paedophile.

        http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/30/mark-bridger-guilty-april-jones-murder

        “Jim Gamble, the founding head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, said there was a theory that men such as Bridger and Hazell became caught up in a “spiral of abuse”.”They begin to want more, they want access not to still images but to video images, and then they want to get more real experience.”

        You think one example like the Abu Khdeir murder is the pits , that it can’t get any worse, but you have to take the longer view, that the process that drives the behavior is not yet finished because the people who run the model are still iterating away.

        July was an important step in the descent but by no means the end.
        you must be so proud.

      • Gene Shae on September 19, 2014, 11:32 pm

        Ok. Then Israel has not lost it.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 5:50 pm

        “Ok. Then Israel has not lost it.”

        Hey, Gene, I got a good joke for you.
        What do you call a Jew who rejects the idea of a Jewish political or ideological peoplehood?

      • on September 20, 2014, 7:09 pm

        Mooser, I,don’t wan to make the Jews the butt of your joke or provide a way for you to take a cheep shot as you are won’t to do. How about, what do you call a human being who reject the ideas …. Go ahead, enlighten us. I am waiting to be disappointed

      • Mooser on September 22, 2014, 8:47 pm

        Just charles keating, I have never, nor will I ever, take a “cheep shot”. It’s poor sportsmanship to shoot a bird sitting on a nest, directing fire towards the sounds the little birdies make.

        A disgusting allegation I will not deign to rebut with a retort.

  6. seafoid on September 19, 2014, 5:12 pm

    Rabbis were supposed to be wise. That was before Zionism I guess.

  7. a blah chick on September 19, 2014, 5:56 pm

    I have a question, are there female rabbis in Israel?

    • just on September 19, 2014, 6:10 pm

      iirc, there are a handful.

      • Stephen Shenfield on September 19, 2014, 7:17 pm

        The State of Israel recognizes only Orthodox Judaism. Other strands exist but are very weak. Only Reform Judaism has female rabbis.

      • Gene Shae on September 20, 2014, 4:48 pm

        The above two people know not what they speak of. There are Women Rabbis and Csntors representing conservative, reform, and reconstructionist streams as well as lay leaders of all sorts of religions. And of course other streams of Judaism aside from Orthodox are recognized. The gentleman above confuses the rights concerning certain aspects of civil law with something entirely different.

      • Mooser on September 24, 2014, 7:35 pm

        “The gentleman above confuses the rights concerning certain aspects of civil law with something entirely different.”

        Mr Shenfield usually knows what he is talking about, but your statement, Gene Shae, reeks of double-talk and avoidance.
        Care to explain it?

  8. snowdrift on September 19, 2014, 6:22 pm

    Given that “douchebag” is the last thing I’d expect someone on the internet to call you–I mean, say, Max Blumenthal can be fairly trollish, so I wouldn’t be surprised, but Weiss?– I wonder if there was a demonstration of loyalty aspect to it: your post referred to her critical speech at J Street, at a time when Zionists of all persuasions are closing ranks, so she had to show her Zionist street cred by displaying active hostility: they’re saying good things about me on Mondoweiss, oh hell no! She had to show that she was still on the team.

    And as you say, that, of course, is the crisis of liberal Zionism. They wring their hands and cry a lot, but they’re still on the boat. This tweet is textbook:

    “We can either talk about Caterpillar or we can talk about kids that needs medical assistance.”

    In other words, let’s focus on the suffering and cry some more but ignore any effective means of stopping the Israeli war machine. It reminds me of a quote from the 17th century French orator, Bossuet: “God laughs about men who deplore the effects of which they cherish the causes.”

    And her other tweets about BDS also avoid the substance of the issue: the first tweet conjures that feeling of lack of safety you wrote about, with the BDS movement coming to her “Appalachian hideaway”; the third tweet uses feminist slang, and, while it’s perhaps a legit complaint against the particular “mansplainer” she encountered, it’s completely irrelevant with regard to the actual argument/debate about BDS, and simply scores progressive e-points.

    So altogether, a lot of hand-wringing and avoiding the real issues. It’s “shoot and cry”, the American version. The American Zionists don’t do the actual shooting–after all, for all their supposed lack of safety, they don’t actually move to Israel–but they give moral cover, while dabbing the corner of their eye with a Kleenex. Hamas forced Israel to do this! That’s what she tells her students, after all: hate Hamas. Not Israel’s colonialism; not Israel’s blockade; not Israel’s repression in the West Bank. Not even Netanyahu, the typical liberal Zionist boogeyman. So in the end, it’s still the Palestinians’ fault, cue the Golda Meir quote, etc.

    • Susie Kneedler on September 19, 2014, 9:00 pm

      About, “she had to show her Zionist street cred by displaying active hostility: they’re saying good things about me on Mondoweiss, oh hell no! She had to show that she was still on the team. ”
      After Phil posted this analysis, http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/denies-theres-occupation ,

      Leshaw tweeted :
      “Danielle Leshaw @RabbiDanielle · 35m
      Overheard: You know you’re doing something right when @Mondoweiss first loves you, then hates you.”

      Then:
      “Danielle Leshaw @RabbiDanielle · 33m
      I’m sure I’ll do something again to garner his love. ‘Cause he liked me last year. SOOO much! *mwah* Happy New Year!”

      • Susie Kneedler on September 19, 2014, 9:23 pm

        I’m grateful for Max Blumenthal’s conscience, and Phil’s, and all of us “DBs” here.

      • annie on September 20, 2014, 4:30 am

        susie, i notice she uses the word hate too much. for me, that’s a red flag. i just don’t ascribe hate to people. if she wants to talk abot hate she should address her own (if she has hate in her heart, which would be sad) and i would never advise students (or my child) to hate anyone. hate is corrosive. hate is something, ideally, we shouldn’t have in our hearts at all. if this (article) is her idea of hate, she’s wired in a way i can’t comprehend.

      • Susie Kneedler on September 20, 2014, 11:19 am

        Yes, Annie, I’ve struggled with the “incivility” of her Tweets, too, asking friends, “Who could think, let alone write, that way?”–esp. someone who “guides” the young, or anyone who doesn’t, but just cares about others + the world?
        And then I think I better check to see whether I’m being kind judging others, too, bc intolerance is easy and I want to help not hurt.

        Thanks for being wise.

    • Horizontal on September 29, 2014, 9:06 pm

      Good post, snowdrift.

      All this smacks of Zionist-Lite.

  9. Shmuel on September 19, 2014, 6:27 pm

    I don’t know whether either of these two women would appreciate the comparison, but the respective accusations against them strike me as rather similar – with the difference that Megan Marzec is a student and a politician, while Danielle Leshaw is a religious/cultural/spiritual leader and role model on campus. Rabbi Leshaw accuses Ms. Marzec of having marginalised and isolated students, but isn’t that precisely what Rabbi Leshaw herself has done — by leading a political club on a very divisive issue, and by taking such an active role in adversarial student politics? I’m sure Ms. Marzec has hurt some students (although presumably not all Jews on campus, as Rabbi Leshaw suggests, and not exclusively Jews), but so has Rabbi Leshaw, and that is definitely not part of her job.

    And once again, isn’t automatically assigning a particular political view to “an estimated 800 students” (ostensibly for no other reason than the fact that they happen to be Jewish) also a kind of marginalisation and isolation?

    In her open letter, to Ms. Marzec, Rabbi Leshaw hints that she’s under a lot of external pressure. Is that why she published her letter in the newspaper rather than sending it privately (to someone who “has a relationship with the campus rabbi”), or better yet, meeting face to face? Is that why she cheered on the Bobcats for Israel “filibuster” and instead of trying to restore the sense of “safety” of all students by toning things down and trying to work through them? Wouldn’t an educator see an opportunity here to teach conflict resolution and compassionate listening, rather than increasing the divide?

    As Phil points out, Rabbi Leshaw is a compelling individual, but what does all of this say about Hillel, wherever it is present on campus?

    I wish Rabbi Leshaw could get over the “assholes and douchebags” stage and have a real conversation about all of this.

    • just on September 19, 2014, 6:32 pm

      thanks Shmuel.

    • philweiss on September 19, 2014, 7:08 pm

      Thanks Shmuel for your wise and gracious statement.
      Though when you say now, twice, this comment and last one, that Megan hurt people, can you elaborate?

      • Shmuel on September 20, 2014, 3:27 am

        you say … that Megan hurt people, can you elaborate?

        Megan chose to express her views by means of a provocation, employing a powerful symbol — perhaps the most powerful symbol there is: (human) blood. In so doing, she obviously hoped to elicit strong emotions. How could that not affect people who are emotionally invested in Israel (whether you or I think they should be or not)? Also, you don’t need to be a professor of semiotics to realise that such a powerful symbol can lead human psyches to a lot of different and very dark places. The Bible didn’t say that “blood is the soul/life-force” for nothing.

      • annie on September 20, 2014, 4:57 am

        perhaps the most powerful symbol there is: (human) blood. In so doing, she obviously hoped to elicit strong emotions. How could that not affect people who are emotionally invested in Israel ….? …… such a powerful symbol can lead human psyches to a lot of different and very dark places.

        with all due respect shmuel, the symbolism of that one bucket of fake blood (representing hundreds of buckets of women and childrens blood spilt this summer), what is wrong with it affecting people who are emotionally invested in israel? even if it affected them negatively for one hour or one week, how could it possibly compare, or cause as much emotional investment as the death of one just one child? sometimes it requires a psyche to go to dark places to realize the harm they are empowering.

        it’s non violent resistance. she didn’t do it in front of first graders. these people are old enough to join the army. the blood is not an exaggeration, it symbolizes something all too real.

        see barcelona http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/worldwide-protest-israeli

      • Shmuel on September 20, 2014, 5:26 am

        what is wrong with it affecting people who are emotionally invested in israel?

        Annie,

        Phil asked me to explain why I thought Megan had hurt people, not whether she was right or wrong to have done so. BDS also hurts people, but I support it wholeheartedly. I write and say things about Israel, knowing full well that they will hurt people (including my own family).

        Rabbi Leshaw cited Megan’s responsibility, once elected, to all students and to campus life (and to personal relationships). That’s certainly something for a student leader to consider — and perhaps reject — but at least consider. Another consideration is efficacy. Did she achieve the desired result (raising awareness of the massacre in Gaza and drumming up support for BDS)? Could she have achieved the same thing or more in another way? What does the cost/benefit analysis of her action look like? If Megan is the smart politician/activist she seems to be, I’m sure all of these things went through her mind and continue to do so.

      • annie on September 20, 2014, 6:31 am

        thanks shmuel

      • Shmuel on September 20, 2014, 5:39 am

        On the “cost” side, Hillel rabbis who write “We need to meet about BDS” — against the specific directives of their employers – don’t grown on trees. Maybe there is something there that could have been pursued. Maybe it will still be there when things calm down a little, or maybe not. Megan made her call.

    • annie on September 19, 2014, 8:41 pm

      megan is a role model on campus too. and not just OU. she leads.

      • Gene Shae on September 19, 2014, 11:29 pm

        Annie, aside from her rants against Israel (which you would likely support Charles Manson if he did) can you kindly let us know how else Megan leads? Please only answer with what you knew when you published the above statement. It would be cheating to now learn about Megan aside from her anti Israel position that you adore

      • seafoid on September 20, 2014, 12:38 am

        no more silent consent or loud indifference

        https://twitter.com/millerC4/status/494110289953312768

      • annie on September 20, 2014, 4:16 am

        Please only answer with what you knew when you published the above statement.

        well, as it turns out gene, in preparation for this article http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/received-vicious-threats i read at least 10 articles from the school newspaper (saved in my draft file) and many comments in the comment sections as well as interviewed people (on the phone) at OU. so i probably know a little more about megan than i would care to disclose here. she’s an impressive person and has handled herself quite well thru this whole episode imho. i could probably write an article about her as a matter of fact. but i’ll just leave you with this one article .. if you care to know more, you can research her on your own (include the “restart” campaign).

        http://www.thepostathens.com/opinion/article_8def2eda-3540-11e4-9575-001a4bcf6878.html?fb_action_ids=10152269545521123&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_ref=.VApmNfj3kZp.like

      • American on September 20, 2014, 1:26 pm

        Shmuel
        September 20, 2014, 5:26 am

        ”what is wrong with it affecting people who are emotionally invested in israel?”>>>>>

        “Something happens….then you make a choice and take a side”………….
        Graham Green, The Quiet American

        I think we have reached the point where hurt feelings and emotions just have to be considered collateral damage.
        And whatever symbols or expressions like Megan’s work, regardless of its non pc-ness, to divide and galvanize Jews and everyone else into opposing Israel and Zionism are acceptable.
        Only one side can win in this fight because Zionism will not compromise.
        So everyone should do and use whatever they can to make sure Israeli Zionism loses.

    • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 11:56 am

      “I wish Rabbi Leshaw could get over the “assholes and douchebags” stage and have a real conversation about all of this.”

      After all, it might be just an adolescent stage LeShaw is going through? Of course, I guess it’s not possible for a Rabbi to be a hypocrite and a very shallow person?

      • on September 20, 2014, 5:10 pm

        Those whom the Gods would destroy they first make mad.

        Sound like anyone we know?

      • Mooser on September 24, 2014, 7:38 pm

        “Those whom the Gods would destroy they first make mad.
        Sound like anyone we know?”

        Besides me?

    • michelle on September 22, 2014, 3:39 pm

      .
      if the young lady hurt some people with fake Palestine blood
      then the 100,000.+ buckets of real Palestine blood must by that
      measure have incensed them – doubtful
      .
      the people who would be truly hurt by the young ladies action
      most likely would have to be told about it by other people without
      being told the whole truth of the issue
      such people are wrongly used by people who pretend respect
      .
      the rabbi seems weak and therefore shames herself and those she
      claims to represent she might want to review herself and seek true
      strength does ‘she’ want to be cared about as a number or as a person
      .
      G-d Bless
      .

    • Kathleen on September 23, 2014, 11:41 am

      Megan “hurt” people. Clearly not her intention. Alert, awaken! Leshaw, Fingerhut’s intention is to shut down the now opened debate on O.U’s campus as numerous Professors and administrators on that campus have done for decades. No going back now. Gates to the facts are wide open.

      Hopefully Megan and others will begin to discuss the issue in a more democratic way with professional mediators with no agenda.

      Leshaw is clearly not the individual to lead on this because she has so clearly missed that opportunity. Leshaw an administrator for “Bobcats for Israel”

  10. eGuard on September 19, 2014, 7:33 pm

    Thanks Phil. I compliment your analysis: this rabbi it not to be trusted.

    Earlier on MW I noticed that she did not took a dime of damage for her ‘love Arabs’ opinion. She even send another 30 Ohioans on Birthright since.

  11. W.Jones on September 19, 2014, 7:49 pm

    Leshaw continued to feel sympathy for the people of Gaza. On August 25 she tweeted:

    Not a terrible idea to take a look at the #rubblebucketchallenge.

    This was a reference to a Gaza initiative to have people pour buckets of rubble over their heads to memorialize the onslaught.
    – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/the-rabbi-shitshow#sthash.c9LJXosL.dpuf

    You could have emphasized that a bit more in your piece, Phil. She basically recommends the challenge and Marzec basically took the challenge, after which Leshaw condemned her for it.

  12. RoHa on September 19, 2014, 7:50 pm

    I find it depressing to see an American, living in a comparatively civilised part of America, whining about not feeling “settled” because most of the people around her are not Jews.

    She writes about Jewish students “They huddle and create micro-Jewish communities. They ghettoize their neighborhoods and sign lease agreements and live within a few feet of each other. ”

    And then she writes “Somebody that won’t polarize, or divide, or marginalize, or ‘other,’ or cause hysteria, or make students feel unsafe. …. You – Megan – the one person that would hate to ‘other’ another, has marginalized an entire group of students, an estimated 800 of them.”

    It seems to me that she is the one doing the polarizing and dividing.

    • EliStern on September 19, 2014, 8:45 pm

      It’s how we survive in a melting pot world.

      • annie on September 19, 2014, 8:55 pm

        nah. call it what you will but this is not survival.

      • eljay on September 19, 2014, 10:29 pm

        >> EliStern: It’s how we survive in a melting pot world.

        You don’t need to “huddle and create micro-Jewish communities” or “ghettoize” your neighbourhood or “live within a few feet of” other Jews in order to survive in this world.

        Those things may be required in order to survive apart from the world, but not to survive in it.

      • RoHa on September 19, 2014, 10:55 pm

        “It’s how we survive in a melting pot world.”

        My first thought was “How does cutting oneself off from the neighbours work as a survival tactic”, but then I looked again at “we” and “melting pot world”.

        My guess is that you mean “This is how Jews remain a separate group”.

        So it looks as though you agree that it is Rabbi Leshaw, and the Jewish students she writes about, who are doing the dividing. “othering”,etc.

      • seafoid on September 20, 2014, 1:19 am

        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/jewish-ethical-history#comment-6949981.

        Clif Brown says:
        July 29, 2014 at 11:57 pm

        What gives value to Judaic ethics over the centuries was made possible by the inability to be the power in the world or in any region. This denial allowed the maintenance of an ethos distinct from might makes right. It could not be corrupted because it was prevented from tasting the apple of power. The alternative to utter despair under continual oppression was keeping the faith, for otherwise the suffering would have been meaningless.
        Now the apple of power is being eagerly devoured and my impression is that if questions of ethics from the Judaic tradition were posed to most Israelis, the answer might be, “what the hell are you talking about?!” And yet there is a remnant that is closely held – the idea of being the victim, even in the absence of any oppressor…it is like an empty shell…a container with no content…carrying the ark with no covenant inside and no understanding that anything should be inside. Or perhaps a better analogy is that the ark was dropped and nobody noticed.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 11:58 am

        Eli is full of it. Jews lived in ghettoes because they were forced to. As soon as Jews were emancipated, they got out. The only voluntarily formed ghetto in Jewish history is Israel.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 12:33 pm

        When is somebody going to unpack the “Jewish community” portmanteau. A “Jewish community” in a society which has legal anti-Semitic discrimination is a completely different thing than a “Jewish community” is an a democratic society.
        For people to somehow equate the voluntary association of like-minded people with the forced segregation of the ghetto is unconscionable.
        Zionists do it constantly.

      • michelle on September 22, 2014, 4:06 pm

        .
        ‘melting pot’ what a joke
        our blood is the same
        we are all & every the same
        we came from the same ‘pot’
        .
        those who like to divide and group
        are inordinately obsessive and if
        allowed to advance will most likely
        be found to be unbalanced/unjust
        .
        it isn’t about how smart we are/or seem
        it’s about how open and just we try to be
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

    • annie on September 19, 2014, 8:48 pm

      i agree roha. at least one student mentioned it in the school paper too.

      http://www.thepostathens.com/opinion/article_f53854a6-386d-11e4-8773-001a4bcf6878.html

      I have to say I’ve been taken aback by those students and non-students who’ve made threatening or derogatory statements toward Megan as well as Arab students on campus. The official statement by Alpha Epsilon Pi that was read out loud at our last Student Senate meeting declared that “Israel is a developed nation, unlike the Middle East.” Hillel has now taken out Facebook ads with a video of the speech to help spread this message. Another student associated with Bobcats for Israel got up at the senate meeting and implied that Jewish students who don’t support the actions of the Israeli state aren’t real Jews.

      I’ve have had four separate Jewish students come up to me to express concern by the manner in which Rabbi Danielle has been attempting to speak on behalf of all Jews on campus. Anyone who chooses to speak on behalf of an entire ethnic or religious group does nothing more than silence voices and shows their own lack of leadership. The Jewish community is broad and diverse, and no Jewish student on this campus deserves to have their identity or culture expropriated and used to someone else’s political ends.

      Students suffer from the negative discourse and intimidation tactics that have been deployed on this campus. It’s time to take this issue out of student government and into a respectful open forum where people can represent only themselves.

      she added a lot of fuel to the fire and perpetuated derogatory memes.

      • Kathleen on September 23, 2014, 11:48 am

        The doors are open now. No way to close them. Hopefully the students will take the reins of the debate and start reading and discussion groups (UN resolutions, international law, other human rights reports, Goldstone report, UN Mavi Marmara report) Ilan Pappe’s “the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians” Edward Said’s books etc etc.

    • can of worms on September 20, 2014, 2:25 am

      “I find it depressing to see an American, living in a comparatively civilised part of America, whining about not feeling “settled” because most of the people around her are not Jews”

      Tough life in the shitshow. Missing those “fluffy matzah balls and pastrami sandwiches”. Poor little Rebecca is the only one who doesn’t realize.

      American university cities: #no kosher eatery on the block.
      Israel: #matzah balls and pastrami sandwiches, yet also filthily racist, undemocratic, morally unsustainable, small, has drafts, is dry and is unsafe. And now the ‘douchebags’ are actually pressing you in your innermost privates.

      He he. Do send some cash.

      (And another fresh batch of well-off, white-skinned, dumbed-down teenage dupes on their free Birthright trips to ensure that the ‘Jewish demographic balance’ exists.)

  13. American on September 19, 2014, 9:00 pm

    I see nothing admirable in the Rabbi–sounds like typical liberal zionist.
    Shoot and cry, whine, play the scared Jew card, condemn and insult.

    I am sure she would feel bad if she ran over a puppy but then she would expend the most angst on how it wasnt her fault, and the horrible effect it was going to have on’ her.’
    Would she beat up the owner of the puppy she ran over for berating her about her driving?
    Probably, thats basically what she is doing to Marzec.

    There are no good zionist…there are only degrees of bad ones.

    • seafoid on September 19, 2014, 11:38 pm

      “To the wicked, everything serves as pretext.” ~ Voltaire

      https://twitter.com/LTCPeterLerner/status/493780681978163200Peter Lerner @LTCPeterLerner • 5h
      #Gaza terrorists launched rockets that smashed within the Strip near Shifa hospital. Nothing todo with #IDF!

      Leshaw either supports this or she doesn’t. There’s no trangulation afterwards.
      Israel is very, very unwell.
      Gatekeepers like Leshaw should get out of the way. Israel needs a mom who can take over and bring the kid to a medical facility where it may have to spend the next decade. That Ziocaine abuse is really hard to deal with within the community.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 12:39 pm

        “To the wicked, everything serves as pretext.”

        You know, I used to use that line on my wife, accentuating it with several effective eye-rolls toward the bedroom. She, of course replied, “In that case, ‘there’s no piece for the wicked’!”

        I should never have taught that woman to talk.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 12:41 pm

        ” Israel needs a mom who can take over and bring the kid to a medical facility where it may have to spend the next decade “

        ‘Mommy will drive you to the clinic as soon as she fixes, dear. You know I can’t drive until I’ve had my wake-up. (and put on my make-up) Put some vodka in the baby’s bottle, will ya’? ‘

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 5:56 pm

        Or as the great Leadbelly said: “You ain’t got no mammy now”

  14. American on September 19, 2014, 9:23 pm

    Someone correct me if I’m wrong but it seems most of what I read about the campus activity is students advocating against Israeli crimes—not against Jews.

    otoh is seems most of what I see about the zionist students and their Rabbis (leaders) is them ‘personally ‘ attacking the pro Palestine and peace advocates.

    I cant remember off hand who said this but it was a Jewish writer……”We’ve never been able to look into the others eyes and see when they’ve had enough of us”.
    Truer words were never spoken about the Zionist (and Israelis).
    They never have and never will know when to leave well enough alone.

    • just on September 19, 2014, 11:31 pm

      I don’t know who said that, but I do know of a man that spoke out named Gerald Kaufman.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Kaufman#mediaviewer/File:Kaufman.JPG

      • just on September 19, 2014, 11:36 pm

        Sorry about that…apparently the link does not work (edit missing!)

        Anyway, he’s said many things including this:

        “In July 2004, Kaufman wrote an article in The Guardian newspaper, entitled The case for sanctions against Israel: What worked with apartheid can bring peace to the Middle East, in which he proposed economic sanctions against Israel.[15]

        Kaufman frequently criticized Israel for the deaths of British citizens Tom Hurndall and James Miller. In 2006, he called for the Israeli soldiers responsible to be handed over and tried in Britain, or before an international war crimes tribunal, and stated that economic sanctions would have to be considered if Israel refused to cooperate.[23]

        In January 2009, during the Gaza War, Kaufman gave a speech to the House of Commons where he stated: “The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from Gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians.”[24][25][26][27]

        About his own family experience he said: “My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town. A German soldier shot her dead in her bed. My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza.”[24]”

        more here, including the picture I wanted to link:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Kaufman#Criticism_of_Israel

      • RoHa on September 20, 2014, 1:38 am

        Gerald Kaufmann is one of the very few people of integrity to be found amongst the drunks, time-servers, arse-lickers, and unemployables who make up most of the House of Commons.

        (George Galloway is another.)

      • RoHa on September 20, 2014, 1:50 am

        Gerald’s famous speech comparing Israelis with Nazis.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

        (Why do they stretch 4/3 videos to fit widescreen? It just looks weird.)

        And here is George talking to Gerald.

      • American on September 20, 2014, 9:54 am

        @ just

        Yea I ‘m familiar with Kaufman, I posted his speech here not long ago.

      • just on September 20, 2014, 10:14 am

        Many thanks RoHa.

        Sir Kaufman is a true gem. So is George Galloway.

        It’s unfortunate that these gems are so rare. There are none in the US Congress…….

      • catporn on September 20, 2014, 2:09 pm

        Completely agree, just. RoHa said everything (and more, and better) that I wanted to say. Gerald Kaufman, the pride of Gorton. Very few people in British politics that I admire, but he’s one. A socialist and committed campaigner on behalf of Palestinians and other oppressed peoples.

  15. Sycamores on September 19, 2014, 9:40 pm

    seemingly Leshaw doesn’t talk for all Jewish students

    Meanwhile, Jewish students who have defended Marzec from accusations of anti-Semitism have faced sharp rebukes and abuse themselves.

    Fortunately, within days of the Zionist backlash against Marzec starting, messages of solidarity with her began to trickle in. A petition at Change.org posted last week got more than 500 signatures within 24 hours. The Post student newspaper began to publish letters supporting Megan, calling on her to resist pressure to step down.

    One Ohio University professor of film studies, Louis-George Schwartz, posted messages of solidarity with Megan on Facebook, saying:

    I am named after two great uncles who were killed in Auschwitz…I say unequivocally that those who threaten anti-racists in the name of ‘THE Jews’ do not speak for me, and they dishonor my ancestors. I say unequivocally that those who support the murderous state dominating the territory of Palestine do not speak for me.

    Another letter to the editor in Post from an Ohio University alum stated, “From the interactions I have had with Megan in the past, I can say with 100 percent certainty that she has a deep desire to fight for the equality of ALL people.”

    http://socialistworker.org/2014/09/08/palestine-solidarity-activist-threatened

    interesting to note that Marzec was arrested last year

    Late last week, Powers likened the senate arrests to those at OU’s Board of Trustees meeting during the spring of 2013 when Marzec and three others were arrested.

    http://www.thepostathens.com/news/local/athens_interests/article_e8c6b2d6-3de9-11e4-aebd-0017a43b2370.html

  16. seafoid on September 20, 2014, 12:04 am

    This discussion really belongs in “US politics” (aka the ongoing crisis in Judaism).
    Leshaw is a prominent example but the issue is far deeper than just her case and the impossibility of speaking coherently about Israel.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.607841

    ““I hear a lot of pain over the current tension between the terrible, terrible things that are happening to people in Gaza,” says Rabbi Amy Schwartzman of Virginia’s Temple Rodef Shalom, “and the feeling that Israel needs to defend itself.”
    “Judaism has a moral standard…. When that morality is compromised, we need to talk about it publicly.”
    The frequent unwillingness to do just that – not to mention the vitriol with which such questions are often greeted – has meant that for many the only option is silence, or anonymity.
    A recent college graduate who asked not to be identified says: “There definitely is this huge discomfort and shame…. The past month has been really difficult. There’s really huge tension where I’ve felt like, ‘where the hell do I go?’”
    Unlike some who say they aren’t going to synagogue right now “because I don’t want to deal with what I’ll hear” (as one person put it), this young woman attended services on a recent Friday night “because I was feeling really emotionally torn…. But also out of curiosity, I didn’t know what [my rabbi] would say.”
    “Then the rabbi was saying all these things about peace, but never said the words ‘Palestinians’ or ‘Gaza’.” Ultimately the congregation was urged to attend a pro-Israel rally.
    Rabbi Jill Jacobs, Executive Director of T’ruah: The Rabbinic Call for Human Rights, reports that soon after the upsurge in hostilities, a donor with strong Israel ties told her that his children “don’t want anything to do with Israel, and they don’t necessarily want anything to do with Judaism”; at about the same time, a woman who grew up in “a very strong Jewish community” told Jacobs that “her social values aren’t lining up with what she’s seeing coming out of Israel.”
    “I think the Jewish community has just been so tone-deaf about this,” she goes on. “It’s completely tone deaf to what’s in people’s minds.”
    Another anonymous speaker, who’s worked in the organized Jewish community for years, says that “with the younger generation… their set of values is one that’s based in universal justice, tolerance of the other, particularly of the disenfranchised.”
    He adds: “Here they look at a situation where there is a dissonance… and the dissonance is deepening all the time.”
    Even those who haven’t witnessed a pulling away from Israel or the community report what Rabbi Peter Knobel, rabbi emeritus of Beth Emet The Free Synagogue in Illinois called “frustration and a tremendous amount of pain… I think what people are looking for is something to give them hope and they’re beginning to despair that this is a permanent problem.”

    • just on September 20, 2014, 12:31 am

      thanks for the link seafoid.

    • Xpat on September 20, 2014, 12:40 am

      The Jewish communal leadership is ridiculous. Endless bellyaching about “youth engagement” while slamming the door shut on the things youth care about: free speech and universal justice.

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/17/high-school-students-first-amendment-adults-poll

      • seafoid on September 20, 2014, 1:16 am

        They will say anything for money. The incentives are all wrong.

      • seafoid on September 20, 2014, 1:44 am

        Zero self awareness

        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.616777

        “Anti-Islamic ads will begin appearing on 100 New York City buses and two subway entrances next week, but transit officials have rejected an ad from the same group that includes the phrase “Killing Jews.”

        The six approved ads show an image of beheaded American journalist James Foley standing next to his killer.

        The ads are paid for by the American Freedom Defense Initiative run by blogger Pamela Geller. She says the campaign highlights points about Islam ignored by government and media. ”

        And nobody says anything

      • bintbiba on September 20, 2014, 2:40 pm

        Seafoid, Thank you for your kind comment under the Elizabeth Warren post. I am always here …learning and appreciating the wisdom and goodness of the people here. There is a lot in my heart that would take too much precious time and space ….better used by those who can express much better.

  17. Xpat on September 20, 2014, 12:37 am

    As Rabbi Leshaw’s statements show, she speaks for the broader Jewish community: donors, national organizations including Hillel.
    Their complaint against Marzec is that she failed to take into consideration the feelings of the Jews on campus. But what is the exact complaint? Should a student leader not speak out on any political issue for fear of giving offense? Was divestment the trigger or was it the graphic nature of her protest?
    Looks like Rabbi Leshaw turned to obscenities and then hid her Twitter from the public because her position is simply indefensible.

    • seafoid on September 20, 2014, 1:10 am

      “Donors” AKA plutocrats and the major orgs like Hillel decide everything even if as now the hasbara is nonsense. And something about Jewish culture keeps most people in line.
      Part of the pathology of Zionism.

      http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.607862

      “I can’t talk to you until this conflict is over,” one relative writes me. I don’t know if she’s joking. Except I haven’t heard from her.
      One of my Jewish writer groups becomes about responding to “anti-Israel commenters,” and not about writing.
      I have to get off of Facebook. I feel so alone.
      I remember feeling this way before Iraq. I did not believe there were WMDs. I did not think the invasion was a good idea. I did not want my boss at the Jewish paper – a super liberal guy – to write an editorial in favor of the war. He did.
      I remember this feeling from the last Israeli incursion into Lebanon. It seemed like a bad idea, but saying so publicly seemed to be an even worse idea. For a few weeks, that is, until most other people came around.
      “We just have to wait it out,” my husband says now, noting how history vindicates liberal positions. He doesn’t oppose rooting out Hamas, just the Israeli victim mentality that accompanies it. I know he feels even lonelier than I do, one of the last card-carrying Meretz Israelis left in America.
      Will everyone else come around on this subject?
      From the pictures of the recent pro-Israel rally at the United Nations, I doubt it. But I don’t need them to come around. I just wish I was allowed to express a different opinion without being called naïve, simple or a self-hating Jew.
      All my life I was taught that the beauty of Judaism is that it’s vibrant, open to debating many different opinions. I wonder if that was ever true.
      And in the end, I wonder if any of it matters – what we post on Facebook, what we comment on others’ posts, all our mindless social media chatter.
      Some pundits say that the court of public opinion is the war. If so, we Jewish liberals are the casualties. “

      • Citizen on September 20, 2014, 5:59 am

        I share your introspective and educated cynicism. But Megan Marzec gives me hope, and I treasure the memory of Rachel Corrie.

      • Xpat on September 20, 2014, 7:49 am

        ““I can’t talk to you until this conflict is over,” one relative writes me. I don’t know if she’s joking. Except I haven’t heard from her.”

        The version I’ve heard is: “people can’t hear that while this is going on.” The corollary of that is, when you do bring it up later – as I have – that same person says: “why now?”

        If they were talking to the ancient Hillel, they’d likely phrase it: “If not now, then not later either”.

      • seafoid on September 20, 2014, 8:50 am

        There has to be some outlet in Jewish society for the feelings of people who know that what Israel is doing is wrong. Otherwise Zionism is going to sink .
        There is just too much difference now between the original Hillel and the modern Hillel and the money can’t hide it any more.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 5:39 pm

        “All my life I was taught that the beauty of Judaism is that it’s vibrant, open to debating many different opinions.”

        Oh, that very well may be true about Judaism, but an theological knowledge of a religion is not the same thing as knowing people. Do you know any Jews? You really should get to know some, they are just like other people.

        Oh, you live in Israel? Then why are you bullshitting me?

  18. kma on September 20, 2014, 1:15 am

    what’s with the longing for Jewish-ness in Ohio and being cloistered into a sectarian ghetto?
    why?
    is living in the US that bad? in Ohio? are non-Jews that bad? kinda like… Muslims!?
    I do sympathize with Latin American immigrants, African Americans, and some other darker skinned immigrants…. but…. people in wealthy neighborhoods will have you over for coffee if you’re white!

    or is it that there just aren’t enough illegal settlements here? oh, that makes zionists feel at home! a few bypass roads, some REAL segregation – the 8=year old with the “American girl” doll might not be zionist enough. (she might be too American!) gotta send her into the IDF and teach her to kill some Palestinians. Ohio is too boring.

    I feel like I’m being offensive, but this Lady is offensive to me. is this not her country? then what’s she doing here?

    • kev on September 20, 2014, 10:55 am

      @kma: It’s because she fears assimilation and loss of her Jewish identity, not because she actually has any reason to fear any sort of attack on her because she is Jewish. If she doesn’t surround herself with others like herself, she fears that maybe she’ll become just another white American. It’s her own weakness and insecurity, her neurosis, and probably the cause of her feeling that all Jews on her campus must agree with her, how could the not, they’re Jewish, right?

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 1:08 pm

        Holy Crap, this is insane. Will anybody, anybody, find me one, just one example of Jews (outside of the ultimate ghetto, Israel) where Jews have, once emancipated elected to stay in an insular, self-administered closed-off society?

      • kev on September 20, 2014, 4:56 pm

        @mooser: In some ways, some Jews do, just as some Christians do, not necessarily building and living in a separate town, but by living in a separate space and choosing (as much as possible, anyway) to associate only with those of her own persuasion. One can see this with Evangelical (and Fundamentalist) Christians who choose to only associate with others who believe the same way. The recent split in the Episcopal Church in North America over homosexuality is a good point. Many churches split, man left the Episcopal Church and started Anglican Union churches because they could not accept homosexuals or anyone who would allow homosexuals in their union. Her separate space is her Hillel.

      • Mooser on September 21, 2014, 11:35 am

        Well, we are always going to be stuck right here, if anti-Zionists get their conception of Judaism and Jewishness by swallowing what Zionists and Zionist Jews say about themselves.
        I give up.

  19. Citizen on September 20, 2014, 6:34 am

    The good rabbi’s “little Appalachian hideaway”:

    Athens, Ohio has about 5-6,000 regular residents (excluding temporary college students). http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/article-27075-how-big-is-athens-without-the-students-im-glad-you-asked.html
    It’s 86 + % white, and 50-50 split re gender. http://censusviewer.com/city/OH/Athens
    Median household income is $39,325. It has 80% less crime than the national average. 58% have a bachelor’s degree or higher. http://www.realtor.com/local/Athens_OH/lifestyle
    20.23% of residents are religious (compare: National average is 48.78%), mostly Christian, with Baptists (4.19%) and Methodist (4.69%) and Catholics (3.01%) comprising by far the majority. Jewish are 0.00% (compare: National average: 0.73%) http://www.bestplaces.net/religion/city/ohio/athens

    • Citizen on September 20, 2014, 6:41 am

      BTW, most of Athens residents are employed by the university. Athens was once a coal town, but coal’s gone now. It does have one manufacturing plant.

    • American on September 20, 2014, 1:58 pm

      Mooser
      September 20, 2014, 1:08 pm

      Holy Crap, this is insane. Will anybody, anybody, find me one, just one example of Jews (outside of the ultimate ghetto, Israel) where Jews have, once emancipated elected to stay in an insular, self-administered closed-off society?>>>>>>

      I can point you to the Enlightenment period in Europe when the nations were offering full citizenship to Jews.
      There were some Rabbis who sounded just like Rabbi Lashew (who seems to be encouraging the ghetto mentality).
      I posted a link to the papers and documents that were exchanged between the nations leaders and the Jewish leaders on the subject of Jewish citizenship on here last year so its way back in the archives.
      What was most interesting was that Jewish leadership was split—the Rabbis were the ones who argued that citizenship for the Jews should contain special exemptions from obligations of national citizenship in order to preserve the ‘unity of the tribe” iow they wanted the full rights citizenship but also wanted to maintain a kind of ” ghetto light’ for Jews.
      Their feared full assimilation even in the political national sense would threaten their rule or break up the tribe.
      I see that still at work among the Rabbis who have adopted Zionism.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 5:35 pm

        “Their feared full assimilation even in the political national sense would threaten their rule or break up the tribe.”

        That’s a big problem for Judaism now. The Zionists are right about this. There are too many Jews, way too many ordinary Jews, living in the world, and unable to commit themselves fully.
        The answer of course, as is obvious from the course they are taking, is to eliminate all those unpredictable, unreliable Jewish followers, and have a religion entirely composed of leaders.

  20. Shmuel on September 20, 2014, 10:06 am

    D. Leshaw: Instead of a BDS campaign, I’d rather a tzedakah [charity] campaign for Gaza. Let’s actually do something.

    Why are the two mutually exclusive, and why is political pressure to change unjust policies not “actually do[ing] something”?

    Our local Palestinian solidarity groups have raised tens of thousands of euros and collected medicines to send to Gaza — while conducting numerous campaigns, including protests against the current violence, against the ongoing siege and in favour of BDS. Tzedakah (charity) is complementary to tzedek (justice), not an alternative to it.

    • just on September 20, 2014, 10:20 am

      great comment Shmuel!!

      • seafoid on September 20, 2014, 11:31 am

        Israel has previous on destruction of charity for Gaza- second flotilla I think and there are probably more cases. they also trash Gaza exports- It’s is a cruel, inhuman system they run there. They hate Gaza because it reminds them of 1948 and what they did and the early 40s and what Jews did not do

        http://defence.pk/threads/idf-rabbi-exhorted-god%E2%80%99s-army-before-they-massacred-palestinians-in-shujaiya.326588/

        The anonymous soldier in Barnea’s article also recounts a similar event prior to the Shujaiya massacre:
        We got close to Kibbutz Nahal Oz and then they gathered us together. You know how it is in the army – when told to gather, you gather. Waiting for us was a bunch of Breslev Hasidic Jews singing “Messiah, Messiah,” dancing and bouncing around. We formed a circle around them, and a bunch of fighters danced with them in ecstasy
        Israel’s ground assault on the Gaza Strip began late on Thursday 17 July, with tanks receiving orders “to open fire at anything that moved.” Over the next few days, the Shujaiya district of Gaza City was subjected to intense and indiscriminate bombardment, including 600 shells fired by an artillery battalion and 100 one-ton bombs dropped from the air.
        Rontzki’s speech to Israeli soldiers recalls his time as Israeli army chief rabbi, when, in 2009, he told religious students that troops who “show mercy” towards the enemy in wartime will be “damned.” During Israel’s so-called “Operation Cast Lead” massacre in 2008-09, the army rabbinate under his leadership distributed inflammatory publications that referred to the massacre as “a war on murderers.”
        Rontzki was one of the founding members of Itamar, a fanatical Israeli settlement colony near Nablus, where has also led a yeshiva, or religious seminary.”

      • philweiss on September 20, 2014, 11:45 am

        excellent point!

    • seafoid on September 20, 2014, 11:16 am

      They are so scared of BDS.
      The mask will be removed and everyone will see what has become of organised Judaism.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 11:47 am

        But Rabbi, I only have one question….

      • Citizen on September 20, 2014, 11:55 am

        @ Mooser

        What’s your real name, Larry Gopnick?

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 12:53 pm

        My first name is “Derbig”. Is it any wonder I don’t use it? “Derbig Mooser”?
        There is, as PG Wodehouse once noted, “some nasty work done at the font” isn’t there? What were they thinking?

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 12:54 pm

        My own choice was, of course, “Sue”.

      • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 1:02 pm

        “The mask will be removed and everyone will see what has become of organised Judaism.”

        Remember Brant Rosen? Remember how nobody would tell us (until some commentors here went looking) whether “Reconstructive Judaism” generally or JRC in particular, was Zionist?

        Why we have to go through this charade, all this palaver before they finally say “We’re Zionist, and if you don’t like it, leave and don’t come back, especially if you expect us to do anything”, but I guess it must be necessary.

      • Gene Shae on September 20, 2014, 5:08 pm

        Hardly. BDS is annoying, but will amount to nothing of note. If you study,BDS had very little to do,either time change in SA. But don’t let facts get in the way

      • seafoid on September 21, 2014, 12:07 pm

        “BDS is annoying, but will amount to nothing of note. If you study,BDS had very little to do,either time change in SA.”

        Complacency combined with Jewish smugness can be so dangerous

        http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/aee9e3a2-a11f-11dd-82fd-000077b07658.html#ixzz3DxzsYY9g

        “Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman, said on Thursday the credit crisis had exceeded anything he had imagined and admitted he was wrong to think that banks would protect themselves from financial market chaos.

        I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interest of organisations, specifically banks and others, was such that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders,” he said.

        Christopher Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, defended himself, saying that virtually no one had foreseen the meltdown of the mortgage market, or the inadequacy of banking capital standards in preventing the collapse of institutions such as Bear Stearns.”

      • DICKERSON3870 on September 21, 2014, 3:55 pm

        RE: “BDS is annoying, but will amount to nothing of note. If you study,BDS had very little to do,either time change in SA. But don’t let facts get in the way” ~ His Royal Omnipotence, Gene Shae

        ● FROM WIKIPEDIA [Constructive engagement]:

        [EXCERPT] Constructive engagement was the name given to the policy of the Reagan Administration towards the apartheid regime in South Africa in the early 1980s. It was promoted as an alternative to the economic sanctions and divestment from South Africa demanded by the UN General Assembly and the international anti-apartheid movement.[1]
        The Reagan Administration vetoed legislation from the United States Congress and blocked attempts by the United Nations to impose sanctions and to isolate South Africa.[2] Instead, advocates of constructive engagement sought to use incentives as a means of encouraging South Africa gradually to move away from apartheid.[3] The policy, echoed by the British government of Margaret Thatcher, came under criticism as South African government repression of the black population and anti-apartheid activism intensified. . .

        SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_engagement

        ● MAGGIE THATCHER’S OPPOSITION TO USING SANCTIONS AGAINST APARTHEID-ERA SOUTH AFRICA :

        . . . While Thatcher maintained throughout her political career that she “loathe[d] apartheid and everything connected with it,” she . . . refused, alongside Ronald Reagan, to back sanctions against the Apartheid regime in South Africa. “In my view, isolation will lead only to an increasingly negative and intransigent attitude in the part of white South African,” she said in December 1977 [I wonder if this also applies to today’s Iranians?!?! – J.L.D.] . . .

        SOURCE – http://mondoweiss.net/2013/04/supposed-democracy-dictator.html

        * ● FROM foreignaffairs.com: “South Africa: Why Constructive Engagement Failed”, By Sanford J. Ungar and Peter Vale, Winter 1985/86

        Article Summary
        Ronald Reagan’s imposition of limited economic sanctions against the South African regime in September was a tacit admission that his policy of “constructive engagement”–encouraging change in the apartheid system through a quiet dialogue with that country’s white minority leaders–had failed. Having been offered many carrots by the United States over a period of four-and-a-half years as incentives to institute meaningful reforms, the South African authorities had simply made a carrot stew and eaten it. Under the combined pressures of the seemingly cataclysmic events in South Africa since September 1984 and the dramatic surge of anti-apartheid protest and political activism in the United States, the Reagan Administration was finally embarrassed into brandishing some small sticks as an element of American policy.
        [We’re sorry, but Foreign Affairs does not have the copyright to display this article online.]

        SOURCE – http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/40525/sanford-j-ungar-and-peter-vale/south-africa-why-constructive-engagement-failed

      • Gene Shae on September 21, 2014, 11:56 pm

        Seefoid, how does Jewish smugness differ from other forms?
        And how,did your slur get posted?

      • Mooser on September 22, 2014, 8:54 pm

        “Seefoid, how does Jewish smugness differ from other forms?”

        Gene you should be able to tell us that, after all, you are the one who is so concerned with making sure Jewish smugness isn’t contaminated with any other type.

    • Balfour on September 20, 2014, 11:50 am

      “Our local Palestinian Solidarity groups have raised tens of thousands of euros and collected medicines to send to Gaza”

      Do your contributions get impounded at the border by the Israelis and go bad, or are all the medicines purchased through Israeli middlemen businesses, which then are mysteriously allowed to enter Gaza? At least this is the tale told on Timeswarp.org

      • Shmuel on September 20, 2014, 11:59 am

        Do your contributions get impounded at the border by the Israelis and go bad, or are all the medicines purchased through Israeli middlemen businesses, which then are mysteriously allowed to enter Gaza?

        I’m not up on the details, but our activists are smart and experienced, with people and projects on the ground. These are not “feel good” exercises for the donors.

  21. NickJOCW on September 20, 2014, 11:39 am

    I just watched the Megan Marzec video and found it simple, neat, committed, coherent, devoid emotional irrelevance. Raised a smile too, 10 out of 10. As for this lady Rabbi, she puts me in mind of the late Joan Rivers. It’s a type. Sometimes funny, mostly disgusting, like graffiti in a rest-room.

    • eGuard on September 20, 2014, 7:58 pm

      this lady Rabbi: like graffiti in a rest-room.

      Yes.

  22. Mooser on September 20, 2014, 11:45 am

    ROTFLMSJAO!!!

  23. Mooser on September 20, 2014, 12:01 pm

    Well, if Ms. LeShaw gets fired, I know where there’s an opening for a civil person in an respected Native-American Studies program.

    • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 12:48 pm

      Wait a minute, it just hit me! There’s no way to measure, to quantify, the severity of a Ziocaine Syndrome episode. But thanks to Louise Mensch a unit of measurement has come forward to do the job! From now on, Ziocaine Syndrome attacks will be measured in Herzls-per-second.

    • Gene Shae on September 20, 2014, 5:14 pm

      Nope. Robert Warrior (wtf) is only interested in pseudo-scholars. You know that the good English prof was only hired for political reasons. Right??

      • just on September 20, 2014, 7:54 pm

        gene shae (wtf) you’re flailing and failing.

  24. Kathleen on September 20, 2014, 12:24 pm

    Too bad this Rabbi can not deal with facts on the ground

    • Mooser on September 20, 2014, 1:52 pm

      “Too bad this Rabbi can not deal with facts on the ground”

      Oh, you can hear it in between the grinding of her teeth: ‘Until that goddam Phil Weiss poked his nose (I’m sure she would forgo characterizing his respiratory appurtenance ) into things, I could play both sides of the fence, every side of the fence. Then he started quoting my public utterances, that no-good-nik! Where’s the tribal unity?’

      • Kathleen on September 23, 2014, 11:54 am

        Phil and Mondo team always willing to go wide and deep not only when it comes to the reality on the ground but at own home grown prejudices that can blind individuals from facts and reality. Leshaw bound in by her own tribal allegiances. Hopefully she breaks free and turns her “pity” for Palestinians into empathy and compassion. As well as protecting her beloved Israel based on internationally recognized borders before the two state solution is completely entombed by the illegal and immoral actions of Israel

    • Gene Shae on September 20, 2014, 5:13 pm

      No, but she knows how to call-out violence.

      • Mooser on September 21, 2014, 11:31 am

        “No, but she knows how to call-out violence.”

        Does anybody have any unthreshed grain? Gene will take care of it for you, and you’ll be grinding flour before you know it. The man can flail!

      • annie on September 21, 2014, 11:56 am

        she didn’t call out any violence.

        I want to be among people that feel really sad that lives have been lost. Not just the lives of Israelis.

        July 23
        I think everybody is losing their mind #Israel #Gaza

        July 25
        My only advice for the day, to a group of students: Don’t hate on Gaza. Hate on Hamas.

        July 27

        I just spent the past 30 minutes looking at photos of Gaza. And now I feel weak.

        her strongest message is “Hate on Hamas”. wtf

  25. Chespirito on September 20, 2014, 2:11 pm

    One almost feels bad for Rabbi Leshaw, she’s really having a meltdown, just like American liberal Zionism. Another terrific piece of reporting and analysis–thank you Phil Weiss.

    • Xpat on September 21, 2014, 5:59 pm

      The three tweets that Annie re-posted are great. and the July 27 one is clearly in response to Israeli violence. “Hate n Hamas” is not great but a whole lot better than what many other rabbis were dishing out over the summer. She clearly does have a heart when it comes to Israeli violence in Palestinians.
      And I’m as turned off as anybody else by the histrionics and drama she generated in response to Marzec’s protest.

  26. Dutch on September 20, 2014, 3:03 pm

    Thanks Phil.

    I have seen lots of people struggle with their being Jewish, but – wow – she beats them all. The identification with Israel does serious harm.

    • Citizen on September 20, 2014, 3:17 pm

      If she can’t stand the heat, she should get out of the fire. So she did, and didn’t: @RabbiDanielle’s Tweets are protected.

      Only confirmed followers have access to @RabbiDanielle’s Tweets and complete profile. Click the “Follow” button to send a follow request.

      MJ Rosenberg is another one of same tendency: he still tweets openly, but if you respond to a tweet of his with a slant he doesn’t like, or a fact or two he purposely ignores, he blocks you.

      These characters can’t handle Twitter’s open forum but they insist on crowing to their slavish followers. They are not open to full debate except on their own terms.

  27. Citizen on September 20, 2014, 3:58 pm

    Ironically, the fact transpired that Megan Marsec had good reasons to fear for her life, not Ohio U’s Jewish students http://www.lobelog.com/salita-marzec-on-bullying-pro-palestinian-activists/

  28. American on September 20, 2014, 4:20 pm

    The Rabbi’s shit show is small potatoes compared to the real shit show —>the US Government:

    Stephen Walt: R U a “skeptic,” “reproacher,” or “enabler? @NathanThrall brilliantly dissects follies of US “peace processors.”

    A must read, except I prefer to label the suspects as the ‘evils, the ‘ignorant and the ‘incompetent.

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/oct/09/israel-us-delusions-our-diplomacy/?insrc=hpma

    ”Despite the tactical differences among Skeptics, Reproachers, and Embracers, there is more uniting the three approaches than distinguishing them.
    Members of all three groups consider themselves pro-Israel and are concerned with preserving it as a Jewish state.
    All favor a two-state solution, the annexation by Israel of large settlement blocs on the West Bank, and a Palestinian capital in some part of East Jerusalem.
    All wish to deny Palestinian refugees anything more than a symbolic return to Israel, and do not call for the return to Israel of an upper limit of 120,000–125,000 refugees, as discussed at the Taba negotiations in 2001.
    All underestimate the moral significance to Palestinians of Israeli recognition of at least partial responsibility for the refugee problem. All imagine amounts of financial compensation to refugees that are orders of magnitude lower than refugees expect. (A 2003 survey showed that among those refugees willing to choose compensation instead of returning to Israel, 65 percent believed a fair amount would be $100,000–$500,000 per family. Prior to the Camp David negotiations in 2000, US officials estimated that a combined total of up to $20 billion might be available to Palestinian refugees and Jewish refugees from Arab countries, meaning that Palestinians could expect to receive no more than $1,000–$3,000 per refugee.)
    All neglect how unacceptable their proposals are to refugees, whose support will be indispensable for a lasting agreement, since they make up a majority of Palestinians worldwide and roughly 45 percent of the population of the West Bank and Gaza.

    All three groups back the Israeli demand to place severe restrictions on the sovereignty of a future Palestinian state, with limits on Palestinian armament, border control, and airspace, as well as the presence in the Palestinian state of international security forces, Israeli early-warning stations, routes for Israeli emergency deployments, and a continued presence for some considerable period of Israeli troops. Some but not all of these restrictions are acceptable to PLO leaders, but they remain highly unpopular with the Palestinian public.”

  29. Stogumber on September 21, 2014, 5:26 am

    Ms Leshaw writes that her Jewish students come mostly from Pittsburgh and Cleveland and feel strangers in Athens, Ohio.
    I wonder why they come to Athens at all – is it a case of “White flight”?

  30. joer on September 21, 2014, 6:44 am

    What a hip rabbi! She cusses! She hangs around young people! She leads demonstrations on campuses! All the window dressing a self anointed progressive youth leader needs. Who would have thunk that someone like that would support mass murder of unarmed civilians in Palestine, stifle free speech on campus, bully students, and in general bring the Zionist occupation to Ohio? Who would have thunk all that? Only anyone who has been following Israeli PR campaigns for the past few years.

  31. just on September 21, 2014, 9:26 am

    Gideon Levy:

    “The new Israeli left eats with a knife and fork, chews with its mouth closed and doesn’t rest its elbows on the table. It also knows that one does not talk at mealtime. The new Israeli left doesn’t want to upset anyone, especially not during the siesta hours of 2 P.M. to 4 P.M.

    The new Israeli left is responsible, Zionist, defense-minded and part of the Establishment. It stays silent in wartime and lets the army prevail. It will never utter a word of criticism against the Israel Defense Forces, which, as we all know, is the very best army. However, a few weeks into the war, any war, the left may waken from its slumber and say something about the need to end it. Perhaps some stage of the war was “superfluous.”

    Occasionally it may dare to criticize the “timing,” a particular favorite of the new Israeli left. Perhaps it will also make some proclamation about the need to look after the relationship with the United States – the Holy of Holies. International law, the law of war, ethics and conscience are forbidden words for the new Israeli left. At most, it will say something about damage to the image of the state, about supporting peace and the two-state solution, about Oslo and Geneva.

    The new Israeli left is opposed to refusing military service or orders, of course, by the left or the right – it’s impolite, in its eyes. It “undermines” the foundations of government and disturbs the public order, in which Israeli soldiers persecute Palestinians. It will take more pleasure in attacking the refuseniks than the right does; after all, it must put daylight between itself and these refuseniks.

    his left loves Arabs, especially if they’re named Sayed Kashua. This left also loves maqluba, a traditional Arab dish. It hates Hamas, as well as the Islamic State, and terror. And ultra-Orthodox Jews. With the settlers, it’s more complicated: It supports Tzav Pius, a nonprofit advocating dialogue and cooperation among Israelis across the Jewish religious spectrum – not with the settler hilltop youth, but with the “moderates.” The ones from the “illegal outposts” are lawbreakers, but the ones from the “settlement blocs” are okay, part of the consensus. Even the Palestinians and the Americans have agreed to let them remain in place.

    This left is against boycotting Israel, of course. And against MK Haneen Zoabi (Balad). The occupation corrupts, but what can you do?

    And above all, the new Israeli left despises the “extreme left,” which steals away the left from it and drives away the hordes pounding on its doors.
    ….

    For 47 years this imaginary left has been keeping its fingers crossed for the occupation. It’s not that it supports it, heaven forbid, but haste (and extremism) is from the devil. In fact, this left perpetuates the occupation; it’s the pretty face that stands behind it.

    Very soon it will win, just let it go its own way – the way that doesn’t put anyone off, that will generate mass support, on whose behalf compromise is worthwhile. Just you wait. It will be victorious any moment now, the occupation will end and peace will come. ”

    the rest is here: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.616850

    • seafoid on September 21, 2014, 2:23 pm

      “For 47 years this imaginary left has been keeping its fingers crossed for the occupation. It’s not that it supports it, heaven forbid, but haste (and extremism) is from the devil. In fact, this left perpetuates the occupation; it’s the pretty face that stands behind it. – ”

      It stands side by side with the imaginary brigades of Progressive Jews of the USA

  32. Keith on September 21, 2014, 6:01 pm

    PHIL- “The premises of American Zionism are that Jews are often unsafe in the west and therefore we need our own country on ethnically-cleansed and militantly defended land in the Middle East that we have to support but where we don’t have to live.”

    The rationale of Israel as some sort of Jewish safe haven is utter nonsense as all of those Israelis with dual passports recognize. Israel could not exist in its present form without US support (financial, diplomatic, military, etc.). The Israeli support network headed by the Israel Lobby is an important factor in securing US support without which Israel’s future would be at least somewhat precarious. In short, Israel needs the American Jewish Diaspora far more than the American Jewish Diaspora needs Israel. Should America’s strong support for Israel ever falter, there would be a massive exodus of Israeli Jews fleeing Israel to Europe or the US.

    While the American Jewish Diaspora may not need Israel and, in fact, be put in jeopardy by Israel’s actions, American Jewish Zionist fat cats have benefited from Zionism and Israel’s existence due to the organized power seeking inherent in Zionism. In many ways, Zionism represents a return to the unified tribalism of Classical Judaism albeit in secular form overlaid with religious symbolism. Rabbi Leshaw sees herself as a defender of the Jewish tribe, with defense of Israel as an essential component of tribal solidarity and Jewish identity. Her behavior is simultaneously logical and irrational.

  33. wondering jew on September 22, 2014, 1:48 am

    College is not a uniform experience. i never knew who was the head of the student council at the schools i attended, so i am alien to the concept that the expressions of some student council president should be taken more seriously than those of any other student. i suppose somewhere in my head there is some platonic ideal of what a student leader should or should not do in self expression. if there is an ideal “inflammatory” would not be the first adjective of attributes of such a person and the act by blood spilling female bds student council president was inflammatory.

    i am quite impressed by the agita created by the rabbi, not in her more extreme statements, but mostly by her phrase, jewish suburbs. i am impressed with the inability of commenters to grant that not every person is the same and some of those from jewish backgrounds might feel alien in an environment that is substantially different from where they grew up. i suppose college is supposed to be some type of assimilation experience, and thus ideally one should leave everything from the past behind and jump into the pool of oneness and accept america on its own terms. this is the type of assimilationism approved by totalitarian minds. but those here cannot imagine that there is some percentage of those raised in jewish suburbs who are accustomed to a certain milieu and not exactly accustomed to a certain other milieu and the need to label these kids as ideologues of some sort or another reflects the ideological minds present here who cannot tolerate certain types of people and certainly not certain types of jews.

    • annie on September 22, 2014, 5:21 am

      i am impressed with the inability of commenters to grant that not every person is the same

      quote please. which commenters are you referencing?

      some .. might feel alien in an environment that is substantially different from where they grew up.

      yeah, that’s common for lots of students.

      i suppose college is supposed to be some type of assimilation experience, and thus ideally one should leave everything from the past behind and jump into the pool of oneness and accept america on its own terms. this is the type of assimilationism approved by totalitarian minds.

      honestly yonah, you’re reaching new heights of the absurd here. why would you suppose “ideally one should leave everything from the past behind”?

      but those here cannot imagine that there is some percentage of those raised in jewish suburbs who are accustomed to a certain milieu and not exactly accustomed to a certain other milieu and the need to label these kids as ideologues

      who here labeled the kids ideologues? and most kids who move away to college are not accustomed to living away from home. this is not unique to jewish kids, at all. as i mentioned earlier:

      most people who don’t go to the local college down the street from their high school, kids entering college enter a world where they know hardly anyone. it’s new time in life, a coming of age. it’s a time when leaders emerge, people make mistakes, bonds and friendships are formed that often last a lifetime … and people explore and find themselves. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/the-rabbi-shitshow/comment-page-1#comment-711230

      can you at least leave some reference what you’re talking about.

      • wondering jew on September 22, 2014, 8:59 pm

        annie- I was referring to comments by RoHa and can of worms.

      • Mooser on September 22, 2014, 9:05 pm

        “can you at least leave some reference what you’re talking about.”

        Annie, can’t a guy like Yonah stand in a corner and mutter without being subject to some kind of logical analysis? It’s not a comment that submits to analysis. It’s a sort of steam-of-consciousness, surrealist monologue. You just gotta go with it. It just creates a montage, you know.

    • Mooser on September 22, 2014, 9:09 pm

      Annie, Yonah also may not understand that “Jewish suburbs” is a very, very informal term. They’re not like settlements, Yonah, completely different thing.

    • Mooser on September 24, 2014, 8:06 pm

      “act by blood spilling female bds student “

      Yup, Yonah, gotta watch out for those “blood spilling female bds student. Worse than “pistol-packin Mamas”, they is.
      And, (may the Almighty protect us from such travesties!): “female”! Yes, we get it Yonah, she’s a girl. So what?

      .

  34. Balfour on September 22, 2014, 7:55 am

    Rabbi Danielle Leshaw strikes me as one who would just as quickly scold and admonish marchers at the NYC Climate March for bringing plastic water bottles as she is condemning and labeling anyone who disagrees with her opinions about Israel’s recent destruction of Gaza.

  35. Rusty Pipes on September 22, 2014, 3:35 pm

    It looks like, no matter how many Jewish students she has alienated or interfaith and campus leadership connections she has frazzled, Rabbi Leshaw is well set for her end of the year grant requests to the Jewish Foundation and fundraising letters to alumni and worried parents. Considering how she exploited her “friendship” with Megan in her public letter, how many other campus leaders will want to meet with her to get to know her informally (no matter how “cool” a tweeter she is)? It will be interesting to find out whether student attendance at High Holy Days services is greater or lesser than last year.

  36. Kathleen on September 23, 2014, 11:57 am

    Eric Fingerhut’s role in trying to clamp down the debate has back fired.

  37. Kathleen on September 23, 2014, 11:59 am

    So was the man in the “blue shirt” at the O.U. Senate meeting Leshaw’s husband?

  38. PAULA on December 11, 2014, 10:07 am

    Just caught up with all this dialog – OMG!! You all need to get lives that matter. So much chatter. So much time wasted – tweets in the wee hours of the morning, in the middle of the day, in the evening glued to your computers spouting righteous indignation. I didn’t read too much indignation concerning a young woman, who set out to shock the world with a bucket of blood, and from all your comments, she was upstaged by a woman with greater convictions. So many of you are resentful of her choice of words; shitshow, douchebag, asshole – OH MY! Have none of you used similar, if not more “indecent” language? The “F” bomb comes to mind. So acceptable today in so many circles. In lieu of this, her choice of words seem so mild.

    I defend her with all my heart, Rabbi Danielle Leshaw, has humanity. Sometimes her political views and her love of Israel conflict with that. The conflict in Israel between Jews and Arabs may never end. I hope that bucket of blood signified the 3 young students slaughtered on their way home from yeshiva, or Daniel Pearl, or the recent beheadings by those who despise Jews. Israel is surrounded by those who despise them; those who build tunnels through which they travel to destroy them. Who are these people that send thousands of rockets from their land into the Land of Milk & Honey to destroy lives. Is Israel to remain passive? Israel’s might is great, as well as their need to protect themselves; their children, their mothers, and their fathers. It is not only Gaza that needs to be signified by that bucket of blood; what of Auschwitz-Birkenau, Dachau, and Bergen-Belsen, Daniel Pearl, the three young men walking home from school. I hope that young woman had that in mind as well as the Arabs in Gaza who voted for Hamas.

    • eljay on December 11, 2014, 10:34 am

      >> PAULA: … So much time wasted … spouting righteous indignation.

      Funny stuff, coming from yet another Zio-supremacist apologist for:
      – Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
      – the establishment of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel in Palestine;
      – Israel’s 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
      – Israel’s refusal to honour its obligations under international law;
      – Israel’s refusal to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
      – Israel’s refusal to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      • Citizen on December 11, 2014, 11:43 am

        Yeah, Paula rants about the “land of milk and honey,” defending Zionist conduct without mentioning the long and on-going cost to the non-Jewish natives, the Palestinians–I’m surprised she didn’t include that other famous Zionist phrase: “A land without people, for a people without land.”

        She’d be the first to vehemently object if the US was ruled as Israel is.

    • just on December 11, 2014, 10:45 am

      nice rant, “PAULA”.

      It took you months to get here and rant. Wallow away in your “Land of Milk and Honey”.

  39. PAULA on December 11, 2014, 12:14 pm

    I wrote what I needed to write, and I am done. I have a life and it does not include addressing either one of your responses.

    • annie on December 11, 2014, 2:18 pm

      but you did respond paula. so apparently your life does include addressing their responses. done means not taking the last word.

      • eljay on December 11, 2014, 2:33 pm

        >> Annie Robbins: but you did respond paula.

        Yup, that’s pretty funny. :-)

      • annie on December 11, 2014, 3:28 pm

        cracks me up. paula’s subtext

        tweets in the wee hours of the morning

        (paula doesn’t know we’re an international blog and we have posters in the UK and australia)..

        young woman, who set out to shock the world with a bucket of blood… upstaged by a woman with greater convictions.

        i so love this/ Megan Marzec’s action went completely viral bringing awesome attention to palestinians and now paula claims the rabbi upstaged her. in her dreams ;) Leshaw got a little scolding for going off the reservation (had to make her twitter feed private) and played cheering section and head dorm mother to a bunch of kids who got arrested. all and all these hillel kids are getting a very funky reputation this year and the hits keep piling up. probably way more of the kind of attention they don’t want. bullies who get their “feelings hurt” and cry to dorm mother who name calls douchebag etc and proves herself to be a tad immature which is a polite way of saying it.

        I hope that bucket of blood signified the 3 young students slaughtered on their way home from yeshiva, or Daniel Pearl

        paula, now that the cat’s out of the bag netanyaho used these unfortunate deaths to carry out a pogrom in the WB, ramshacking houses ofinnocent people under the pretext of finding kidnapped teens he already knew were dead, and kidnap hundreds of prisoners from the gilad exchange (i guess some ethically challenged politicians don’t know how to keep their end of the bargain) and start a war with gaza slaughtering thousands .. people are not really thinking daniel pearl right now (never mind the US/IS is funding/supporting nursra -like the people who killed pearl) and let’s not forget the jewish murderer/sniper who killed 2 on nakba day but cnn got the video. and the notorious lying ambassador michael oren going on national tv claiming there were no bodies and it was all faked ‘pallywood’ but whoops busted. not a good year in hasbrat land. as dead palestinians stack up by the thousands this year the morally challenged count only – – see nothing hear nothing, as if palestinians had anything to do w/the death of daniel pearl.

        Land of Milk & Honey

        more like the Stinking Land of Feces & Rotting Animal Carcasses see here: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/videos-jerusalem-skunk

        maybe paula doesn’t know about the sadistic practices of israel drenching elementary schools and whole neighborhoods that perpetually stink.

      • just on December 11, 2014, 3:36 pm

        I intended to address the ‘wee hours’ thingy, but she seems to have gone *poof*.

        Nice series of responses, Annie.

      • annie on December 11, 2014, 3:41 pm

        oh, i don’t know if i was very nice just. i held my tongue earlier when she first commented. we have lives that matter tho. in this age of information we’ve (online activists) have played an integral part in completely shattering an image of israel carefully nurtured for decades, and we’ve done it in about 5 years. of course, as barghouti said israel helped. although israel has been like this since it’s inception, people didn’t know.

        but she seems to have gone *poof*.

        i seriously doubt that. she’s reading the responses. especially if it’s her daughter.

  40. jon s on December 11, 2014, 3:22 pm

    Paula is Rabbi Danielle Leshaw’s mother.

    • just on December 11, 2014, 3:33 pm

      If true, she’s pretty slow to rush to her baby’s defense…

      How do you know this, jon s?

      • Susie Kneedler on December 11, 2014, 3:54 pm

        Hi just, Paula announces it in her Commenter Profile: “My claim to fame – I am Rabbi Danielle Leshaw’s mom”: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/paula.

        *)

      • just on December 11, 2014, 4:02 pm

        Thanks, Susie…didn’t think to look her profile up.

  41. Susie Kneedler on December 11, 2014, 4:10 pm

    You do very much: thanks for your conscience, just, and All here at MW.

    • Susie Kneedler on December 11, 2014, 4:16 pm

      Oops, meant to reply to you, just. (I = shouldn’t be let loose without “Edit.”)

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