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Netanyahu’s ‘poison’ — latest settlement will distance Israel’s closest allies, State Dep’t warns

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Yesterday, President Obama met with Prime Minister Netanyahu for the 12th time, more than any other world leader. The meeting was icy as usual. In their opening remarks Obama told Netanyahu the status quo in Gaza cannot stand:

You know, throughout the summer, obviously, all of us were deeply concerned about the situation in Gaza. I think the American people should be very proud of the contributions that we made to the Iron Dome program to protect the lives of Israelis at a time when rockets were pouring into Israel on a regular basis. I think we’ve also recognized that we have to find ways to change the status quo so that both Israeli citizens are safe in their own homes and schoolchildren in their schools from the possibility of rocket fire, but also that we don’t have the tragedy of Palestinian children being killed as well, and so we’ll discuss extensively both the situation of rebuilding Gaza but also how can we find a more sustainable peace between Israelis and Palestinians.

Netanyahu wanted to bring the focus back to Iran:

And even more critical is our shared goal of preventing Iran from becoming a military nuclear power. As you know, Mr. President, Iran seeks a deal that would lift the tough sanctions that you worked so hard to put in place and leave it as a threshold nuclear power, and I fervently hope that under your leadership that would not happen.

Still, there wasn’t much drama beyond strained bonhomie and a photo op. Politico summed it up, “Finally, a meeting between President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that was short and sweet — or at least not long and bitter.”

Then news broke that the Israeli government, with Netanayahu’s okay, had approved a massive settlement expansion in Givat Hamatos in East Jerusalem. Some timing! The settlement is the first Israel has announced since last April, and recalls Israel’s announcement of settlements in 2010 as VP Joe Biden was meeting with Netanyahu. “Just in time for the Bibi-Obama meeting,” AP’s Matt Lee wrote. The decision will create 2610 new settlement units and many analysts say it could mark the end of the two-state solution.

The U.S. government was quick to respond with a relatively harsh condemnation. State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki told reporters during an afternoon briefing:

We are deeply concerned by reports that the Israeli Government has moved forward the planning process in the sensitive area of Givat Hamatos in East Jerusalem. This step is contrary to Israel’s stated goal of negotiating a permanent status agreement with the Palestinians, and it would send a very troubling message if they proceed with tenders or construction. This development will only draw condemnation from the international community, distance Israel from even its closest allies; poison the atmosphere not only with the Palestinians, but also with the very Arab governments with which Prime Minister Netanyahu said he wanted to build relations; and call into question Israel’s ultimate commitment to a peaceful negotiated settlement with the Palestinians.

What “distance Israel from even its closest allies” means in practice remains to be seen, and given the administration’s actions to this point it’s doubtful it will add up to much.

It does seem that the move will dog Netanyahu during the rest of his U.S. trip. NPR’s Steve Inskeep interviewed Netanyahu for today’s Morning Edition, it was the first questions he asked. The settlements dim hope for a Palestinian state, according to the State Department, and will distance Israel from even its allies. Why is that particular settlement worth that? Inskeep asked. Netanyahu was defensive.

Netanyahu: These are not settlements. These are neighborhoods of Jerusalem. Jerusalem has been the capital of the Jewish people for thousands of years. And I think in any conceivable peace plan including those that were discussed with the Palestinians even the Palestinians understood that… Jewish neighborhooods would remain in Jerusalem.

Inskeep: We’re talking about 2500 homes, in East Jerusalem.

Netanyahu: They’re not in East Jerusalem, they’re in South Jerusalem actually, and they include 700 units for Arab residents of Jerusalem. That’s a little fact that hasn’t gotten any press.

Inskeep: We are talking about east of the 1967 line.

Netanyahu: Sure. Of course…

Inskeep: So when you say South Jerusalem, it’s former East Jerusalem.

Netanyahu: Nearly half of Jerusalem’s population live in neighborhoods that abut the ’67 borders. And nobody in his right mind thinks they’re going to be uprooted… [Palestinian swaps idea entails the understanding that] these neighborhoods are going to stay.

The Israeli advocacy organization Terrestrial Jerusalem issued the following update on the move:

Today it has come to light that the Government of Israel has gone ahead and granted statutory (final) approval to Plan 14295, which will allow for the construction of 2610 new settlement units in Givat Hamatos A.
This is the first Jerusalem settlement plan approved since the April 1 breakdown in talks.
As we have reported previously, this plan is not just another politically or symbolically “detrimental” settlement, or even one that just makes a resolution to the conflict a little more difficult on the ground. This plan is a game-changer.
This approval could not have taken place without Prime Minister Netanyahu’s advance knowledge and consent.
 
KEY FACTS ABOUT THIS APPROVAL
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    The approval of this Givat Hamatos plan was published quietly late last week (September 24), on the eve of the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashana), permitting it to fly under the public radar until today.

  • This is the final statutory approval of the plan.

  • Construction permits can be issued commencing 15 days from now.

  • While tenders could technically have been issued before this approval, almost invariably the statutory approval precedes the issuance of tenders.

  • The plan is not just another politically or symbolically “detrimental” settlement, or even one that just makes a resolution to the conflict a little more difficult on the ground. This plan is a game-changer.

  • Today, implementation of Clinton-style parameters in Jerusalem (Palestinian neighborhoods will be Palestine, Israeli neighborhoods will be Israel), while difficult, remains possible. After Givat Hamatos is built, that will no longer be the case.

  • There is every reason to believe that this move will prompt the Palestinians to take this matter to the International Criminal Court, and they will not be without their reasons.  Should they do so, the final approval of E-1 is an eminently possible reaction by Netanyahu.

  • Thus, approval of Givat Hamatos has the potential to set off a chain of events with far-reaching implications that extend far beyond this single settlement question or even simply Jerusalem.

 

 

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  1. justicewillprevail on October 2, 2014, 10:23 am

    The timing of this is another deliberate two fingers from Israel to Obama and the US taxpayer. They seem to think that humiliating your main sponsor and arms donator is a clever move. Idiots.

    • annie on October 2, 2014, 10:44 am

      it’s much bigger than fu to obama and the US tax payer.

      • Horizontal on October 2, 2014, 12:41 pm

        @Annie ~

        it’s much bigger than fu to obama and the US tax payer.

        Agreed. Any ideas what’s likely to happen in the occupied territories when the killing of the Two State Solution reaches a breaking point? I’m talking about the people, not the leadership.

      • justicewillprevail on October 2, 2014, 1:47 pm

        Of course, but the timing of the announcements always seem to have a political purpose, which is a way of saying to the US ‘we can do what we like’, whenever there are meetings or events involving them. It seems to serve a dual purpose, kicking the Palestinians every further out of their homes and land, whilst rubbing the US faces in it. The glee with which they do it is even more offensive, knowing they have Congress wrapped around their little finger.

  2. a blah chick on October 2, 2014, 10:47 am

    Here’s a fearless prediction on what Ms. Harf will say at her next presser: “This is not helpful.”

    No, Marie, it’s not.

  3. NickJOCW on October 2, 2014, 10:56 am

    There is another interesting exchange further down that briefing.
    .

    QUESTION: But based on your – this is contrary to Israel’s stated goal, you’re condemning it, you say it poisons the atmosphere and calls into question their commitment, what’s the consequence of that? Is there one? Is there any?

    MS. PSAKI: Look, I think, Matt, that it’s not just the United States, it’s the international community who will respond strongly to this kind of continued activity.(/blockquote>

    I may be reading too much into it but that seems to suggest the US may be ready to let the International community pick up the baton, which would imply that it’s not going to interfere with Abbas’ next steps.

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2014/10/232414.htm

    • Kathleen on October 2, 2014, 11:59 am

      As Andrea Mitchell said on one of the MSNBC outlets yesterday “Netanyahu knows he has the US congress” she added “they have his back” Andrea has slowed down her willingness to repeat the unsubstantiated claims about Iran but still she plays softball

      • Horizontal on October 2, 2014, 9:00 pm

        @ Kathleen ~

        “They have his back” sounds so much better than “They’ve sold their souls to a war criminal while failing to uphold their own country’s founding principles,” don’t you think?

      • catporn on October 3, 2014, 7:27 am

        @Horizontal Lets not forget the US congress and senate are full of war criminals, and supporting the regime in Israel (as grotesque as it is) isn’t even close to being their bloodiest endeavour.

    • American on October 3, 2014, 12:04 am

      ” I may be reading too much into it but that seems to suggest the US may be ready to let the International community pick up the baton, “”

      I thought I was seeing the same signals 4 years ago but nothing came of it.

  4. bilal a on October 2, 2014, 10:59 am

    Obama is still stronger than Warren, and the kibbutzniki Bernie Sanders, the first Israeli to run for President.

    ““Obama is just more of the same, in my opinion. Did I hope for something different? Yes. I wished for something different, and I was delusional. I think that unfortunately, no matter who I’ve ever voted for, it’s been the lesser of the evils, and I’ve been grossly disappointed because they always have to get funding from somebody. AIPAC is always a big part of the funding source and Wall Street is the other big source. I’m sorry, but they’re owned. I don’t have any better hopes for Bernie Sanders or Liz Warren, although I had hopes at one point for both of them, but then I hear both of them stand up for Israel and I want to vomit,” said Baird.”
    http://www.liberationnews.org/tampa-protests-war-in-syria-at-centcom-2/

    Sanders (born September 8, 1941) was born in Brooklyn, New York, the son of Polish Jewish immigrants. Sanders graduated with a B.A. in political science from the University of Chicago in 1964 and afterwards spent time working on a kibbutz in Israel.
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Sanders.html

  5. just on October 2, 2014, 11:04 am

    “The meeting was icy as usual.”

    Not icy enough. Should never have occurred. Israel and Bibi Amin should never get this close to the President of the US.

    “Idi Amin Dada (/ˈiːdi ɑːˈmiːn/; c. 1925 – 16 August 2003) was the third President of Uganda, ruling from 1971 to 1979. Amin joined the British colonial regiment, the King’s African Rifles in 1946, serving in Kenya and Uganda. Eventually, Amin held the rank of major general in the post-colonial Ugandan Army and became its commander before seizing power in the military coup of January 1971, deposing Milton Obote. He later promoted himself to field marshal while he was the head of state.

    Amin’s rule was characterized by human rights abuses, political repression, ethnic persecution, extrajudicial killings, nepotism, corruption, and gross economic mismanagement. The number of people killed as a result of his regime is estimated by international observers and human rights groups to range from 100,000[1] to 500,000.[2]”

    (wiki)

    • amigo on October 2, 2014, 12:23 pm

      If my memory serves me well , circa 1964 during Britain,s less glorious days , Idi(ot) Amin set up a ” Help Britain” campaign and gathered some 400,000 sterling .I do not recall if that money ever went in to the British exchequer but I rather doubt it.

      He also was a supporter of Israel for some years.Israel sure does attract some dodgy supporters.Still does.

      • Horizontal on October 2, 2014, 12:38 pm

        @ amigo ~

        Israel sure does attract some dodgy supporters. Still does.

        You can add apartheid South Africa to that list, along with El Salvador during their nun-killing heyday.

        Apparently being a Zionist makes one scruple-free; or it could be the other way around.

  6. RobertB on October 2, 2014, 11:21 am

    Netanyahu is telling ole Obama…you can’t hurt me…you can’t hurt my decisions for more Palestinian land theft & ethnic cleansing… for more “for Jews only” settlements. Israel will do what it wants to do…and the broke American taxpayers will continue to pay and foot Israel’s huge bill…year after year. America will give us $$$ and will stay out of business! The mid-year elections are just around the corner…and AIPAC/Israel will have a say so in the outcome. And you Obama…you are spineless. It won’t be too long before you are out too! AIPAC/Israel controls the critters in so called US congress!!!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    88 Senators Urge Kerry to Shield Israel from Any Accountability at the UN

    By LEFT

    September 29, 2014

    ” “Daily Kos” – Earlier this week, Senator Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) and Senator Bob Casey (D-PA) led 86 other senators in a letter to John Kerry urging him to take steps to prevent Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas from seeking investigation of or redress for Israeli war crimes through the UN Human Rights Council and the International Criminal Court or a UNSCC resolution setting a clear date for the end of Israel’s occupation of Gaza and the West Bank.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39811.htm

    • Kay24 on October 3, 2014, 8:03 am

      These are the scumbags we keep voting for. Israel ABOVE their own nation, and ABOVE their own President.

  7. HarryLaw on October 2, 2014, 11:33 am

    The Israelis have no intention of ever withdrawing from the West Bank,defense Minister Ya’alon said that because 80% of Israel commerce and millions of Israelis live in the metropolitan Tel-Aviv area, including the vital economic hub of Ben Gurion airport, it would be suicidal for the occupation to end, exposing the vitals of Israel to not just rockets but mortars, particularly directed at Ben Gurion airport, well within range [approx 5 miles from West Bank border] of the least sophisticated and shortest range home made rockets, his fear was that military air bases of Ramat David in the Galillee and Nevatim in the Northern Negev could come under threat from anti aircraft weapons.http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-rules-out-notion-of-west-bank-withdrawal/ Of course he is quite right, the military advantages Israel has accumulated cannot outweigh the disadvantages of having all your assets including economic ones within such a strategically small area and vulnerable to a determined resistance group. In the last confrontation Hamas fired 4,000 rockets at Israel [most of them wasted blowing up the desert] with just one wayward one landing 1 mile from the airport, this was enough to close the airport down for a short period and with it the Israeli economy. The Palestinian resistance ability to destroy Israels vital economic interests will only grow, time sensible Israelis try to cut a deal.

    • bilal a on October 2, 2014, 1:04 pm

      The threat was reiterated on msnbc by Miller and Mitchell:

      Andrea MitchellVerified account ‏@mitchellreports

      Aaron David Miller warns Obama may face choice of military action to stop Iran nuclear program in 2015 if no deal or bad deal in talks

      https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/517717617759748096

    • Horizontal on October 2, 2014, 1:12 pm

      @ HarryLaw ~

      Maybe West Bank Defense Minister Ya’alon might consider that the rockets are the only way that the Palestinians have of fighting back against an illegal, oppressive usurper. Using that resistance as an excuse to double-down on the occupation opens a dark window into the dank recesses of the Israeli leadership, but it doesn’t justify what shouldn’t have occurred in the first place.

      And I just posted elsewhere here about the blockade of an Israeli ship in the Port of Oakland.

      Protesters Block Israeli Ship

      The frustrated shipments all belonged to the Zim Integrated Shipping Services, Israel’s largest cargo-shipping business and one of the biggest in the world. According to the company’s website, it has an annual turnover of almost $4bn and delivers to 180 ports around the world,

      Apparently, Israeli has a 32% interest in this company. My point is, I don’t think that closing the airport damaged the economy that much, and was certainly not the “existential threat” that it was made out to be at the time. Doubtless, Israel wants their tourist industry well insulated from the restless natives, but other businesses like Intel, HP, Volvo & Victoria’s Secret continued to shovel $$$ into the Israeli economy (not even talking about their military-based income) during that time.

      You close by saying that it’s time for sensible Israelis to try and cut a deal. From what I saw this summer, are there any around?

      • HarryLaw on October 2, 2014, 7:19 pm

        Horizontal @ “I don’t think that closing the airport damaged the economy that much” I disagree, here is what Haaretz thought at the time..”Around 90 percent of all entrances and exits to Israel from abroad are through Ben-Gurion. This is one of the national infrastructure’s most crucial links; Israel’s oxygen tube reaching out of a hostile neighborhood. There have been a number of plans over the years to build a second international airport, but while there are a number of military and civil airfields with long enough runways, there is no airport today with the necessary facilities and transport links to replace Ben-Gurion for more than a few hours.
        This may prove to be a game-changer in a conflict which is now entering its third week. It could provide further impetus for the government in seeking a speedy ceasefire with Hamas, but that seems doubtful.” http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606685 And that was just one wayward rocket, it is operationally possible for the resistance with the right logistics to target Ben Gurion with several rockets per day and keep it closed for months, in my opinion a definite game changer.

      • Horizontal on October 2, 2014, 7:47 pm

        @ HarryLaw ~

        Thanks for the information. The article did say one of the most crucial links, implying that there are others. However, I don’t doubt the overall thrust of your writing that the ability to close the airport should serve to make Israel “cut a deal,” although I think they seem to be set on an exact opposite course.

    • catporn on October 4, 2014, 5:37 am

      @HarryLaw
      Your point about withdrawing from the West Bank would bring Israel’s soft underbelly within firing range, is a fair one, but Israel has never had any intention of pulling out. In 67 they were patting themselves on the back for completing what they were unable to finish in 48, a “rectification of the mistake of 1948”. Pre 48 Zionist strategists had two questions, 1. how much of this land do we want. 2. How many Arabs do we want living there. the answers were 1. all and 2. none, since then its been all about logistics. In 67 the Israeli government struggled with the decision of what to do with all the extra Arabs they had in their new borders, which ran from the Mediterranean to the Jordan, they didn’t struggle with the question of what to do with the land. Eventually they heeded two points made Moshe Dayan and Yigal Allon, first, there is no hurry, we can take our time, we can keep the land and the people under military occupation without having to make any rushed decisions, and second, we should find a way to sell the idea to the world that the West Bank is negotiable, that we are interested in peace, in fact we should initiate peace talks and never let anyone outside this room (Levi Eshkol’s office) know that we have no intention of giving the land back.
      This was decades before Palestinians started fighting the occupation and firing rockets.
      I do agree that saner heads in Israel should seek peace, but they may have set a course that’s impossible to change even if they wanted.

  8. Kathleen on October 2, 2014, 11:40 am

    Little to no coverage on MSNBC last night about Netanyahu’s visit. All of the same ebola info and secret service issue. A bit on Morning Joe this morning. Joe Scarborough even said these announcements of expansion of illegal housing in E Jerusalem are “cheap shots” and provocations. There was a go around that round table about Netanyahu’s interview with Andrea Mitchell many comments “better Andrea than me” said Mika B.

    Al Jazeera America did a great segment this morning. During an interview with Daniel Levy he said there will be “no cost, no accountability” for Israel’s announcement. He said another interesting thing that 1 in 10 Israeli’s live beyond the green line now. During this segment they said that Mahmoud Abbas has allegedly set a deadline for Israel to get out of occupied territories which of course we know is not ever going to happen. I think the deadline they mentioned was Nov of 2015. We can hear Netanyahu and his ilk laughing as they expand illegal settlements in West Bank and housing in E Jerusalem.

    Obama has another Netanyahu footprint on his cajones… Although if Obama does the right thing for US national security he will make a reasonable deal with Iran.

    There was a mention on Morning Joe about Netanyahu’s not so subtle threat that if the US makes a deal with Iran (against Israel’s demands)”all options are on the table” Basically threatening the use of nukes is what I believe. The only people we have heard mention this underlying threat has been Former President Jimmy Carter (who turned 90 today), Dr. Zbigniew Brezinski and Prof Norman Finkelstein.

  9. Marnie on October 2, 2014, 11:42 am

    Regardless of how people may feel about president Obama, he is the President of the United States and deserves to be treated with respect, especially in the United States. However, the unwillingness of the congress to work with the president and the disdain if not hatred they have for him to the point of ridiculing everything he does, even if it is something they agree with, certainly hasn’t escaped the eyes of the all opportunist carnival huckster netanyahu, who makes a point of humiliating and embarassing this president, his vice president and the american people whenever he can. This mamzer is under the impression that he owns the presidency and the united states is under his control. He should have been booed off the podium at the united nations and his passport stamped Return to Sender. He is making it crystal clear how he feels about international law, human rights, justice, peace, morality and “democracy”. He doesn’t give a damn if the united states or any other country is “deeply concerned” by the actions of the rogue state of israel. I would suggest that the UN make a clean break with israel and revoke their membership. That would be a start.

    • Horizontal on October 2, 2014, 7:54 pm

      @ Marnie ~

      Right on.

      But I don’t think that Bibi’s treatment of our President had anything to do with his smelling blood in the water; he’d treat Reagan, Bush, Lincoln or Clinton the same way — that’s just who he is and the entitled world that he lives in. Bibi knows the score: our congress is bought and sold and the president can’t say boo due to the mid-terms, and there are always midterms, aren’t there? It’s not a difficult mechanism to see in action. Strike that. I meant it’s not difficult to figure out; it’s always difficult to watch.

      • Marnie on October 3, 2014, 2:50 am

        @Horizontal –

        “It’s not a difficult mechanism to see in action. Strike that. I meant it’s not difficult to figure out; it’s always difficult to watch. ”

        Heartbreaking and true. Which makes me wonder how schools are teaching students about government and democracy. Of course the truth of that matter being that the congress and presidency are up for grabs for the right price.

        Netanyahu has the demeanor of a junkyard dog.

  10. amigo on October 2, 2014, 11:43 am

    This camel has got one helluva strong back.It,s going to take a ton of bricks to break it.

    Fortunately Israel seems willing to keep loading the bricks until that all important back breaker is put in place .It is just a matter of time.You could say Israel is being destroyed , one brick at a time.

    • gracie fr on October 2, 2014, 5:12 pm

      It’s the moment for a TIMELY rebranding of the Jewish State…!!!!

      Activists seek to rebrand Israel as ‘JSIL’

      Twitter users compare Israel to ISIL, renaming it the ‘Jewish State of Israel in the Levant’…..

      http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201409302100-0024192

      • amigo on October 2, 2014, 6:29 pm

        Gracie, Thanks for that.It is so apt.
        I don,t suppose the Leaders of this JSIL will be too thrilled with that name.Truth is a bummer.

  11. James Canning on October 2, 2014, 11:50 am

    Bibi Netanyahu is more than willing to subject the US to endless war in the Middle East, so that Israel can retain the West Bank.

  12. Horizontal on October 2, 2014, 12:31 pm

    One more botched opportunity. Disgusting.

    No, Mr. President, not all Americans were proud of supporting Iron Dome as the IDF committed war crimes with impunity. You’d think a former Constitutional scholar might understand that simple metric.

    I’m sure the international community may or may not do anything in reaction to this provocation but both the Israelis know and the president knows and the US Congress know that it doesn’t matter one bit. As I see it, what will the US Ambassador to the United Nations do with our vote? Congress provides these criminals the money and our veto provides them with cover. As long as either of those two things remain unchanged, everything else is just empty blather.

    Not sure how reliable PressTV is, but if this is accurate it doesn’t auger well for those hoping the US just might start standing up for something besides being Israel’s ATM:

    Palestinians Under Heavy Pressure From US

    Abbas said in the occupied West Bank city of Ramallah on Wednesday that Washington has said that the Palestinians risk losing 700 million dollars a year in US aid by pressing ahead with their efforts for the resolution.

    The only time Gaza gets a break in the MSM news is when rockets fly and Israel returns fire; otherwise, it’s “peace” and not a lede story. Otherwise, it’s ISIS and Iran’s Scary Nuke Program. The disservice that our Zionist-friendly news organizations exert on the national conversation is another area that needs to change.

    That’s why this last meeting is such an infuriating punt by Obama. There aren’t a lot of things the president can do on their own; but the White House is still one hell of a bully pulpit. It shouldn’t be squandered to just squeak miserably to a known criminal.

    • Kay24 on October 2, 2014, 6:06 pm

      I simply cannot understand the stand taken by the US, when it keeps pressurizing occupied people to bend to their occupier, and not take the legal route. It sends a message to the world that the US is biased and not an honest broker. What prevents the US from doing the honest thing, and work for peace, keeping in mind that occupied people who live fenced in, and have no rights, should be the first priority and consideration. By constantly protecting the brutal occupier and arming it, who the heck believes what the US demands is genuine?
      Abbas should tell them all to jump in the Dead sea and do what is right for his people, not to please the US or Israel.

      • Horizontal on October 2, 2014, 9:05 pm

        @ Kay24 ~

        “I simply cannot understand the stand taken by the US, when it keeps pressurizing occupied people to bend to their occupier, and not take the legal route.

        Maybe we could get some Native Americans to explain it to you;)

  13. foodoo on October 2, 2014, 12:46 pm

    Wasn’t there just an issue about some other dangerous nut getting into the White house?

  14. Kay24 on October 2, 2014, 12:47 pm

    Congress is the biggest obstacle for Obama. He knows they show immense loyalty to Netty, protects him, does his bidding, and gives him standing O’s. They give him more respect than they do to their own President. That is how much clout Netty has over the American slaves in Congress. That is why, he has this disgusting show of arrogance and disrespect for the US President. The predictable timing just before the meeting for the announcements of their crime of land theft, it is as if they don’t give a damn for the sensitivities of the Americans, the criticism and undiplomatic moves Netty displays before such stepping into our WH, and the crap that he leaves behind after such a visit. We have seen all this before, but the question is why is Obama taking this shet, something the US will never tolerate from any other nation, and something our true allies like Britain will never stoop down to. I guess Netty is not the refined politician that we receive from the UK and other allies.
    It seem the America he can “move” is treated like a bowel “movement”.

    • Horizontal on October 2, 2014, 9:31 pm

      @Kay24 ~

      For many years, I was employed by one of the big telecoms doing artwork. We worked on one floor and below us, a couple of floors down, were the guys and gals who worked on the technical side; they designed all the programs and software that made everything run. Most of the folks down there were Israelis, because our company was in a joint venture with them. This was back in the late 1990s, early 2000s.

      Anyway, one day, it seems that 12 of these employees were asked to leave the country within 48 hours for “activities not consistent with their visas” or whatever; basically, spying. The news story ran for just one cycle on the local news and then vanished down a black hole like it never happened. I know because I checked. I was thinking, if these people had been from Libya (because Libya was the bad guy du jour back then) it would be all over the news 24/7, but because they were from Israel, it’s a completely different story when it comes to being caught spying.

      How this relates to your post is this: There was much talk going around that the reason they were asked to leave was because they had installed a back door in the telephony software that would basically let them listen in on any phone line that my company had and it would be completely undetectable. I can’t prove any of this and as I said, it was only hearsay. But given Israel’s talents in this area combined with their demonstrated lack of scruples, it could explain why our leaders and politicians constantly display such seemingly bizarre obsequiousness to Israeli leaders: Israel knows their secrets. Politicians might be too afraid to step out of line, besides bucking the money and propaganda train that we already know exists.

      Normally, if I’d read what I just posted, I’d chalk it up to conspiracy theory and not think anything else about it, but seeing as I was there to experience it myself, it’s always left me wondering . . .

      • Kay24 on October 3, 2014, 7:54 am

        When it comes to the zios, anything is possible. Your first hand experience with this should not surprise anyone. They are totally capable of being deceptive and would stoop to such crime without hesitation, the question is why they are tolerated and given a free pass. At one time it was revealed that the kiosks selling Dead Sea salt products and portions, were run by Israelis who were spying on us. I still see some of them around.

        They are a deadly bunch, and even though it sounds like a conspiracy theory, it is a known fact that they (like fiction) have shot poison into the ears of their enemies, gone into other nations using fake passports belonging to nations like Canada and Australia, and MURDERED, those who stand in their way. So your story should be filed under “highly possible”.

  15. Kay24 on October 2, 2014, 1:23 pm

    Well what do you know he always wants, wants, wants, even after he disrespects Americans.

    “Yom Kippur a good time to release Pollard, Netanyahu told Obama
    Netanyahu: ‘I told the president that we are on the eve of Yom Kippur, a time during which we ask for forgiveness and we give forgiveness.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu asked United States President Barack Obama to release convicted spy Jonathan Pollard as a Yom Kippur gesture during their meeting at the White House on Wednesday.”

    Notice that when they commit crimes it is “ooops”, unintentional, and they want to be forgiven?

    How many little kidnapped Palestinian kids still suffer in jail, are abused, and not given access to their families? Any signs of forgiveness coming from God’s chosen?

    Damn hypocrites.

    I hope Pollard is never released.

    • eljay on October 2, 2014, 1:42 pm

      >> I hope Pollard is never released.

      Release Pollard and put Bibi in his cell instead.

    • Marnie on October 2, 2014, 2:16 pm

      ‘I told the president that we are on the eve of Yom Kippur, a time during which we ask for forgiveness and we give forgiveness. ” To which president obama replied (i wish!) “I’m not jewish and Pollard isn’t going anywhere. Enjoy your fast benjie, now get your fat ass out of my house and my country as fast as your short little legs can”.

      The united states is not a jewish state. Maybe you need a reminder of this. You can observe your holy day by begging forgiveness for the murder of thousands of Palestinians and the continued theft of their land, this last sin “on the eve of Yom Kippur”. Also herr benjie, you ask for forgiveness and pray that the Most High forgives – you don’t “give forgiveness” as it isn’t in your power to do so.

    • Marnie on October 3, 2014, 3:07 am

      @Kay24 –
      I am completely disgusted by netanyahu’s use of religion and religious symbols when it’s a convenient prop – “I come to you from Jerusalem” and this reference to Yom Kippur. Can you imagine the calamity had President Obama referred to his faith and quoted “And when you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.”

  16. amigo on October 2, 2014, 1:44 pm

    Obama sure does not look too happy.He must be thinking to himself just how to get rid of this obnoxious lying snake oil salesman.

    • Horizontal on October 2, 2014, 8:04 pm

      @ amigo ~

      “He must be thinking to himself just how to get rid of this obnoxious lying snake oil salesman. “

      I sure know what I’d do . . .

      But damn it, Obama is smart enough to know what a putz Bibi is, and still he sits there and makes nice. I could in a way give Bush a pass because I was never one to over-imagine either his brains or his moral compass, but I gotta believe that especially after Gaza, Obama knows better. That’s what makes this extra infuriating.

  17. JLewisDickerson on October 2, 2014, 2:09 pm

    RE: Yesterday, President Obama met with Prime Minister Netanyahu for the 12th time, more than any other world leader. The meeting was icy as usual. In their opening remarks Obama told Netanyahu the status quo in Gaza cannot stand. . . Netanyahu wanted to bring the focus back to Iran: “And even more critical is our shared goal of preventing Iran from becoming a military nuclear power. . . ~ Adam Horowitz

    MY COMMENT: Oh yeah, the old “existential threat” meme! Iran as an existential threat not only to Israel, but also to the entire Earth (and perhaps even the entire universe). Cue the hysteria!
    An existential threat!
    An existential threat!
    An existential threat!
    AND “BOY HOWDY”, THERE’S NUTTIN’* WORSE THAN A “EXISTENTIAL THREAT”! ! !
    Netanyahu convinces Israelis of existential threat ~ http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/07/israel-protective-edge-right-left-support-avri-gilad.html#
    “A nuclear Iran is an existential threat on the State of Israel and also on the rest of the world,” Netanyahu said. ~ http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4217989,00.html
    Does Iran really pose an existential threat to Israel? ~ http://electronicintifada.net/content/does-iran-really-pose-existential-threat-israel/13567
    Is Netanyahu an Existential Threat to Israel? ~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/is-netanyahu-an-existenti_b_1877461.html

    * “NUTTIN” BUT STRINGS”
    Nuttin’ But Stringz – Thunder (Classical Mix) [VIDEO, 03:45] – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3OLLtrC9HY
    Nuttin But Stringz – Thunder [VIDEO, 02:48] – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJJZIrR_dRQ

    • JLewisDickerson on October 2, 2014, 2:15 pm

      P.S. According to the German “theorist” Wilhelm Marr (1819-1904) the struggle between Jews and Germans would only be resolved by the victory of one and the ultimate death of the other. A Jewish victory, he concluded, would result in finis Germaniae (the end of the German people).*
      In other words, to Wilhelm Marr’s “way of thinking”, “the Jews” were an “existential threat” to the German people (the German “Volk”)! ! !

      * FROM “THE COORDINATION FORUM FOR COUNTERING ANTISEMITISM” IN ISRAEL (antisemitism.org.il):

      [EXCERPT] Wilhelm Marr (1819-1904) was a German agitator and theorist, who coined the term “antisemitism” as a euphemism for the German Judenhass, or “Jew-hate”.
      Marr was an unemployed journalist, who claimed that he had lost his job due to Jewish interference. A political conservative, he was influenced by the conservative pan-German movement, as expounded by Johann Gottfried von Herder, who developed the idea of the Volk, and the Burschenschaft movement of the early nineteenth century, which developed out of frustration among German students with the failure of the Congress of Vienna to create a unified state out of all the territories inhabited by the Volk. The latter rejected the participation of Jewish and other non-German minorities as members, “unless they prove that they are anxious to develop within themselves a Christian-German spirit” (a decision of the “Burschenschaft Congress of 1818”). While they were opposed to the participation of Jews in their movement, like Heinrich von Treitschke later, they did allow for the possibility of the Jewish (and other) minorities participating in the German state if they were to abandon all signs of ethnic and religious distinctiveness and assimilate completely into German Volk.
      Marr took these philosophies one step further by rejecting the premise of assimilation as a means for Jews to become Germans. In his pamphlet Der Weg zum Siege des Germanentums über das Judentum (The Way to Victory of Germanicism over Judaism, 1879) he introduced the idea that Germans and Jews were locked in a longstanding conflict, the origins of which he attributed to race — and that the Jews were winning. He argued that Jewish emancipation resulting from German liberalism had allowed the Jews to control German finance and industry. Furthermore, since this conflict was based on the different qualities of the Jewish and German races, it could not be resolved even by the total assimilation of the Jewish population. According to him, the struggle between Jews and Germans would only be resolved by the victory of one and the ultimate death of the other. A Jewish victory, he concluded, would result in finis Germaniae (the end of the German people). To prevent this from happening, in 1879 Marr founded the League of Antisemites (Antisemiten-Liga), the first German organization committed specifically to combatting the alleged threat to Germany posed by the Jews and advocating their forced removal from the country. . .

      SOURCE – http://www.antisemitism.org.il/eng/Wilhelm%20Marr

    • JLewisDickerson on October 2, 2014, 2:19 pm

      P.P.S. ALSO REGARDING “EXISTENTIAL THREATS”, SEE:
      “Is Netanyahu an Existential Threat to Israel?” ~ by MJ Rosenberg, huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg, 11/12/2012

      [EXCERPT] One ex-Israeli official put it best. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu seems to be “going berserk.”

      He is demanding that the United States set a “red line” that, once crossed, will automatically initiate a U.S. attack on Iran. He doesn’t even bother to pretend that war with Iran is in U.S. interests. He just wants his war trigger. But he sees the chances for war diminishing every day.

      I think his latest tantrum was produced by last week’s New York Times op-ed by its former executive editor, Bill Keller, which stated that even if Iran develops nuclear weapons, they would not necessarily pose a significant threat to Israel, let alone to the United States.

      Keller merely suggested what I have heard Israelis say privately: this whole Iran scare is not about nukes per se, it is about Israel’s fear of losing the ability to do whatever it wants to, whenever it wants to. Bomb Gaza. Bomb Lebanon. Bomb Gaza relief ships. Bomb whoever, whenever.

      It is about regional hegemony. After all, militarily Israel can more than handle Iran and both countries know that. That is why Israelis do not share Netanyahu’s enthusiasm for war. . .

      SOURCE – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/is-netanyahu-an-existenti_b_1877461.html

      • Kay24 on October 2, 2014, 2:30 pm

        Isn’t it ironic that we keep seeing Netty picking on Iran at every opportunity, pounding his chest at podiums, showing cartoon bombs, and trying to derail Obama’s efforts to bring peace without war with Iran, and yet according to the hasbara and zio leaders, it is Iran that wants them wiped out, or threatens them?

        Right now, Iran looks more cooperative and wanting peace, more than Israel, who just finished mowing that lawn slaughtering more civilians than militants in Gaza?

        I think the world knows Israel’s devious games by now (not the US congress of course).

      • JLewisDickerson on October 2, 2014, 3:15 pm

        P.P.P.S. ALSO REGARDING NETANYAHU BEING AN “EXISTENTIAL THREAT” TO ISRAEL, NOTE (from Adam Horowitz’s post “Netanyahu’s ‘poison’ — latest settlement will distance Israel’s closest allies, State Dep’t warns”, above):

        [EXCERPT] Then news broke that the Israeli government, with Netanayahu’s okay, had approved a massive settlement expansion in Givat Hamatos in East Jerusalem. Some timing! The settlement is the first Israel has announced since last April, and recalls Israel’s announcement of settlements in 2010 as VP Joe Biden was meeting with Netanyahu. “Just in time for the Bibi-Obama meeting,” AP’s Matt Lee wrote. The decision will create 2610 new settlement units and many analysts say it could mark the end of the two-state solution. . . The U.S. government was quick to respond with a relatively harsh condemnation. State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki told reporters during an afternoon briefing:

        We are deeply concerned by reports that the Israeli Government has moved forward the planning process in the sensitive area of Givat Hamatos in East Jerusalem. This step is contrary to Israel’s stated goal of negotiating a permanent status agreement with the Palestinians, and it would send a very troubling message if they proceed with tenders or construction. This development will only draw condemnation from the international community, distance Israel from even its closest allies; poison the atmosphere not only with the Palestinians, but also with the very Arab governments with which Prime Minister Netanyahu said he wanted to build relations; and call into question Israel’s ultimate commitment to a peaceful negotiated settlement with the Palestinians.

      • Marnie on October 3, 2014, 9:45 am

        The state of israel is more of a nuclear threat than iran and then this all comes down to who’s going to cross that imaginary line (just like the IDF in Gaza eh?). The world is held hostage by zionism.

  18. gracie fr on October 2, 2014, 4:53 pm

    Video

    US President Barack Obama has told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Washington’s deep concerns over an Israeli plan to build 2,600 new settler homes in East Jerusalem.

    Obama raised the development in face-to-face talks in the Oval Office on Wednesday, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said.

    “The United States is deeply concerned by reports the Israeli government has moved forward” with planning for settlements in a “sensitive area” of East Jerusalem, Earnest said.

    Earnest said Israel would send a “very troubling message” by following through with the settlement project, and in noticeably blunt language said that the step was contrary to Israel’s stated goal of negotiating a permanent final status agreement with the Palestinians.

    “This development will only draw condemnation from the international community, [and] distance Israel from even its closest allies,” Earnest said.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/10/us-sharply-criticises-israeli-settlement-plan-2014101225234373240.html

  19. pabelmont on October 2, 2014, 5:11 pm

    Nietanyahu: Nobody in their right mind thinks Israel will move out of E-Jerusalem.

    I’m ever hopeful that Israel will indeed be so required, and will be so BDS’d, and will be so forced: to do exactly that.

    Guess I’m not in my right mind.

  20. Bandolero on October 3, 2014, 12:34 am

    I think it’s easy to understand what Bibi and his groupies are up to:

    Get Hillary in WH, and as soon as that happens the old order is restored again. Bibi will rule over America, and Hillary will be like a Monica for him.

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/10/02/leave_it_to_hillary_clinton_obama_islamic_state_afghanistan

  21. talknic on October 3, 2014, 5:10 am

    Netanyahu and co are not being asked the right questions…

    “These are not settlements. These are neighborhoods of Jerusalem.”

    When has ANY territory that was not previously proclaimed by the State of Israel in its plea for recognition and subsequently recognized by the International Comity of Nations as asked, ever been legally annexed by agreement and legally recognized as being the territory of the State of Israel?

    “Jerusalem has been the capital of the Jewish people for thousands of years”

    But when was it legally annexed by agreement and Internationally recognized as part of Israel?

    “And I think in any conceivable peace plan including those that were discussed with the Palestinians even the Palestinians understood that… Jewish neighborhooods would remain in Jerusalem”

    By saying “would remain in Jerusalem” do you mean under an agreement that has not yet been reached and, if an agreement has not yet been reached how can you be in your right mind to think Israeli citizens can illegally settle in territory that is not yet Israeli?

    “They’re not in East Jerusalem, they’re in South Jerusalem actually, and they include 700 units for Arab residents of Jerusalem. That’s a little fact that hasn’t gotten any press”

    If they’re not yet in territory legally annexed to and Internationally recognized as Israeli under a legal agreement, how can it be within the legal jurisdiction of Israel to make those decisions?

    ” Nearly half of Jerusalem’s population live in neighborhoods that abut the ’67 borders. And nobody in his right mind thinks they’re going to be uprooted… [Palestinian swaps idea entails the understanding that] these neighborhoods are going to stay”

    As these swaps have yet to take place under a legal agreement and are not yet legally annexed to and recognized by the International Comity of Nations as Israeli, how can you be in your “right mind” to think you can illegally settle in territory that is not yet your own?

  22. amigo on October 3, 2014, 6:29 am

    Meanwhile back at Haaretz!!, some heady stuff.

    ” Netanyahu’s U.S. trip reveals the damage he caused to Israel’s standing
    The PM’s masks are being torn off, and the world is losing patience in the face of Israel’s policy of deception.

    One after the other, the masks are being torn off. Netanyahu is not (and apparently never was) aiming for a two-state solution; his actions prove it. And the world, including the United States, is losing patience in the face of Israel’s policy of deception and its failure to propose any alternative. ” Haaretz editorial.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.619027

    Geez, some of us have been pointing this out for over a decade.

    • Kay24 on October 3, 2014, 7:48 am

      That was quite an interesting criticism of Netty’s trip to the US, it also mentioned the telling off he received at the UN:

      “The prime minister’s trip to the United States revealed Israel’s true international standing, as well as the damage Netanyahu has repeatedly caused it. Shortly before his White House meeting, Netanyahu met with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, and a rancorous dispute erupted over the Israel Defense Forces strikes on UNRWA schools in Gaza this summer that killed Palestinians who had sought shelter there. It’s impossible to keep having wars that sow such immense death and destruction every few years, Ban told Netanyahu. An Israeli official who was present at the meeting described it as extremely tense.”

      I think Nutty Netty is unravelling, and he only has himself to blame (though he may try to pin it on the Palestinians).

      • Horizontal on October 3, 2014, 9:57 am

        @ Kay24 ~

        That’s what Obama’s meeting should have been: Extremely tense, not just icy. Obama should have mopped the floor with him and called out how much our own representatives are owned by a tin pot foreign power and let the chips fall where they may. At least he could leave office with his head held high, instead of prattling on about how proud we all are as Americans arming these thugs.

  23. Kay24 on October 3, 2014, 9:42 am

    Despite all the pomp and pageantry, and the grand announcements of Netty coming to the UN to “refute” the so called lies against Israel, the bottom line is, nothing has changed. Even the US threw him a few parting shots, which look BAD for him.
    Perhaps the naive in Israel (and the US) thought he achieved what he set out to do.

    Netty cannot change facts, much as he, and his hasbara brigade, might try.

  24. NoSlack2327 on October 3, 2014, 3:44 pm

    Bibi does care a scintilla about how any country or the American people for that matter feel about him and Israel’s transgressions.

    As long as the Pro-Israeli lobby dictates to “our representatives” in Congress, and the American taxpayers consequently continue the stupid support of Israel, Bibi and the other war criminals in Israel will be happy.

  25. NickJOCW on October 4, 2014, 5:57 am

    Sweden becomes the first EU country to break ranks. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29479418 What odds others follow?

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