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Israeli rightists pray in protest outside the tourists entrance to the Haram al-Sharif checkpoint to the Temple Mount in a rally led by Knesset member Moshe Feiglin, October 30, 2014. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Israeli rightists pray in protest outside the tourists entrance to the Haram al-Sharif checkpoint to the Temple Mount in a rally led by Knesset member Moshe Feiglin, October 30, 2014. (Photo: Allison Deger)

It is nearly unheard of for Israeli police to block Jewish worshipers from reaching the Western Wall. But yesterday afternoon border authorities cinched back a hard plastic retracting wall of a Jerusalem checkpoint people have to pass through to reach the holy structures and for the first time in 14 years they also closed all access to al-Aqsa Mosque compound, preventing prayer in a campaign to stifle the unrest smothering Jerusalem.

However, authorities had difficulty putting a lid on Israeli-rightists attempting to enter the Haram al-Sharif, the location of sites holy to two religions, for Jews the Temple Mount, for Muslims the al-Aqsa Mosque. A chorus of rightists waving flags to the Jewish state banged on the metal doors of another entrance chanting “it will be free” in reference to the Temple Mount, others jumped the barricades that lead into the Haram al-Sharif–an act that could have explosive consequences and a reminder of the start of the Second Intifada.

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Baruch Marzel leads religious Jews to push through Israeli security and enter the Western Wall plaza, October 30, 2014. (Photo: Allison Deger)

At yet another checkpoint to the Western Wall, settler spiritual leader Baruch Marzel rallied supporters to push through border police, spilling a nationalists’ parade into the quarter of the Jerusalem that houses Islam’s and Judaism’s blessed monuments.

“All they [Arabs] want is for our blood to flow,” said Roni, 20, an American-Israel follower of Marzel who asked for her family name not to be published. “The Temple Mount is the most holy place. That is the holy place, not the kotel [the Western Wall], it’s only an alternative,” she continued before rushing past security into the plaza border police were trying to close.

“I have ordered a significant increase in forces,” said Israeli Prime Minster Benjamin Netanyahu Thursday morning. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said the the mosque’s closure was a “declaration of war.” Deepening the crackdown, Israel’s attorney general said on Monday he had implemented harsher sentences for Palestinians minors convicted of stone throwing, including fines for their parents.

Despite appeals for calm, disorder had already spread across Jerusalem before daybreak. The night before a Palestinian was accused of attempting to assassinate Yehuda Glick, a right-wing figurehead of the Temple Mount Institute, a group that seeks to reconstruct a synagogue inside the Haram al-Sharif.

Glick was struck while loading items into his car after a meeting at the Begin Heritage Center with Knesset member and founder of the Jewish Leadership (Manhigut Yehudit) political faction, Moshe Feiglin. The assailant asked Glick to confirm his identify, speaking “in a thick Arabic accent,” and then fired three shots before fleeing on a motorcycle, said Feiglin, who witnessed the crime.

Moshe Feiglin speaking before supporters outside of the checkpoint to the Haram al-Sharif, Temple Mount, October 30, 2014. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Moshe Feiglin speaking before supporters outside of the checkpoint to the Haram al-Sharif, Temple Mount, October 30, 2014. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Within hours of Glick’s shooting, religious Jews vowed to storm the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in a revenge protest, of prayers. At 8 am Knesset member Moshe Feiglin chaired a rally of a dozen faithful. “We are in a violent fight. From the free world against the evil forces, the most extreme Islam,” he said.

Feiglin had planned to lead the group into the area of the Temple Mount, but police sealed the entrance. “Not letting Jews pray at the holiest place to the Jewish nation, the Temple Mount is a prize, as we see right now, is a prize to bring more and more terrorism,” he lamented. The Knesset member went on to compare himself to a “raped woman,” because of the state’s actions.

“I’m a Jew and I’m not allowed to go to the Temple Mount, for a Jew that almost got murdered yesterday,” said Feiglin, continuing, “So who’s the raped woman? The violent side, or the Jewish side?”

Meanwhile in the Old City amid throngs of tourists, police clashed with Palestinians near the Austrian Hospice in the Muslim Quarter when they staged their own prayer protest. After noon, Muslim worship concluded, police ordered businesses inside the Muslim Quarter shut, kicking out droves of internationals dining at Palestinian cafes.

“They closed the whole area, we see a military area. Soldiers, how they treat people—kidnapping them, beating them, throwing sound bombs,” said Hazem Najib, 44, an Old City resident and shopkeeper who participated in the noon Muslim prayer protest. “My home is here,” he said standing in his doorway as police shut the last storefronts, “it’s about 20 meters from the mosque and they didn’t allow me. Where’s my rights?”

Like many Palestinians, Najib was demoralized over the fallout after Glick’s attempted killing. In the early morning hours on Thursday, police went to the home of the suspected shooter, Mutaz Hijazi, 32, in Abu Tor, a mixed Arab-Jewish neighborhood. A team of plain-clothed officers then fired on Hijazi on the roof of the house around 4 am, according to witnesses. Meanwhile, hundreds of uniformed police assembled downhill of the building’s driveway.

“They killed him in cold blood. Because he is Palestinian. And in Jerusalem, in this month, more than six Palestinians have been killed,” said Najib.

As with the killing of another Palestinian assumed of targeting an Israeli-American a week before, there are discrepancies between the police narrative of a violent suspect and Palestinian charges of extra-judicial killings. According to police, Hijazi had a weapon and there was crossfire. But family members and neighbors said this was not the case and photographs taken of Hijazi’s body after his killing [warning: graphic image] show the Palestinian’s body full of bullets, even the stuffing from his coat had spilled. There is no sign in the photo of a weapon.

Abu Tor rooftop where Israeli police killed Muntaz Hijazi in the early morning hours on Thursday. Hijazi was suspected of shooting Temple Mount activist Yehuda Glick the prior evening. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Abu Tor rooftop where Israeli police killed Muntaz Hijazi in the early morning hours on Thursday. Hijazi was suspected of shooting Temple Mount activist Yehuda Glick the prior evening. (Photo: Allison Deger)

“There were three shooters all-together on the roof of the next building,” said Rafah Ghaith, 37 who watched the confrontation from his third-story home in the next building. Ghaith said in total six officers with weapons perched from a corner where police were firing. He saw Hijazi hide under a solar panel that was punched by 30 bullets. “I could only see his legs,” said Ghaith, because the solar panel covered the rest of his body, including the hands that police said were holding a gun.

Nail gun witnesses say was the weapon Muntaz Hijazi held when Israeli police fired on him. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Drill witnesses say was the weapon Muntaz Hijazi held when Israeli police fired on him. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Bullet casings collected from the rooftop where Muntaz Hijazi was killed. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Bullet casings collected from the rooftop where Muntaz Hijazi was killed. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Another neighbor Bilal Borkan, 23, pointed to a drill still on the roof at the scene of the killing. “That’s the weapon police said he had,” explained Borkan before heading indoors as tear gas from a nearby clash with police clouded the air. In the courtyard, mourners clutched pieces of onions or tissues with rubbing alcohol to suppress the biting fumes.

Jerusalem has become a boiling kettle due to alleged hate crimes, including a revenge murder in which a Palestinian minor was burned to death and the killing of an Israeli-American newborn by a motorist at a light rail station. At the week’s beginning Israeli police had deployed additional units and a surveillance drone over the area where the motorist lived.

“Here we were good, no stone throwing,” said Borkan of the once quiet Abu Tor neighborhood. Unlike other nearby neighborhoods, no Palestinian had been killed by Israeli police since 2002, making Abu Tor a model of calm in a tense town. “But now it will start,” he said before wandering off to greet another wave of mourners arriving at the Hijzai home.

 

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  1. seafoid on October 31, 2014, 3:43 pm

    The Zionist view of Jerusalem as exclusively Jewish is from a version of reality that does not exist in reality.

    And al Aqsa symbolizes that. Why does the holiest city in Judaism (now a low rent disneyfied architectural clusterfuck) wake every morning to the muezzin’s call? Because it’s a Palestinian city too.
    And morons like Feiglin think they can sweep that under the carpet. PFO.

    and what’s the most beautiful building in Jerusalem, replicated in a million postcards?

    Is it anything built by the bots?

    No. Israeli architecture is either more defensive or more shoddy , just like Zionism

    • just on October 31, 2014, 3:53 pm

      well said.

    • Mooser on October 31, 2014, 9:48 pm

      “The Zionist view of Jerusalem as exclusively Jewish is from a version of reality that does not exist in reality.”

      Yonah Fredman is very concerned about Jerusalem, and who it belongs to.

      • wondering jew on November 1, 2014, 1:01 am

        The Temple Mount is in occupied territory and thus toying with/changing its status quo is not only offensive to Muslims, but endangers the political stability of Jerusalem.

        The idea espoused by talknic, that emphasizes that Jerusalem was not included in the partition plan in the jewish half (55%) of Palestine, is interesting and important, but ultimately, there was no way for the 100,000 Jews who lived in Jerusalem in 1948 to be in a no man’s land, trusteeship of the United Nations when the rest of the land was under either Jewish sovereignty or Arab (Jordanian/Egyptian) sovereignty. although my experience of Jerusalem in person never included the period when the western wall and the old city were cut off from Jewish/Zionist visitors, if I could travel back and avoid the 6 day war, I would do so, but this is idle talk. Jerusalem without the old city is special, but certainly highly reduced in specialty without the old city and the temple mount and i appreciate having had the experience of being able to visit the wall and the temple mount and the mount of olives and the old city.

        The Western Wall is also in occupied territory, but taking possession of the Western Wall in the aftermath of the 67 war was natural and given that the Israelis did not infringe upon possession of the temple mount (in a similar way at that time), it was natural for a possession or an act of possession to take place after the 6 day war on the area of the Western Wall. (Time machine- i would destroy the neighborhood that was destroyed, but not kill anyone. the military killed a woman who could have been spared if they had worried enough about her life. but the narrow entity that was the western wall before 1948 was not really an option if taking possession of the wall was what was wanted and I accept the act, if not the murder that accompanied the act because the military could not be bothered to save that woman.)

        the theory of sharing jerusalem without anyone having sovereignty sounds unrealistic to me and the fact instead of Israel exerting sovereignty over the western wall and the Jewish quarter is natural to me.

        attempting to change the status quo is “cruising for a bruising” “looking for trouble” and though the status quo was established (possibly) without sufficient forethought by Moshe Dayan, peace as in an absence of violence in Jerusalem is very important. Moving Jews into silwan is disrupting the status quo and I oppose it, because i prefer a peaceful (no riots) in Jerusalem. and similarly i oppose changing the status quo on the temple mount because it is toying with the domestic tranquility of Jerusalem.

      • catporn on November 1, 2014, 3:55 am

        I’d prefer a gargantuan digger scooped up al aqsa, temple mount, the wailing wall, every ‘holy’ artifact, place, trinket, church & dedicated place if prayer.
        Transport it all to a place it can be crushed to sand, then feed it gram by gram to albatross that traverse the globe and let them shit it into the wind.
        Let the devoted go there for their fix.
        For just one more person to be harmed in the name of puerile myths or archaic tradition is one to many.

      • seafoid on November 1, 2014, 5:33 am

        Jerusalem is not politically stable. It’s divided by its rules into Jews and niggers. Jews get public spending, niggers don’t. . Jews can live anywhere, niggers can’t get building permits. Jews have rights under the law , niggers get shot or made to drink petrol and burnt alive.
        All for the Jewish project.

        Don’t tell me that’s sustainable, Yonah

        Only as equals – Remi Kanazi

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuKiRWK4VlQ

        Every time I think of 9/11
        I see burning flesh
        dripping off the bones of Iraqi children in Fallujah
        Now Gaza
        I tend to memorialize the forgotten
        The collateral damage
        eclipsing america’s unpunished crimes
        Maybe it’s because I’m a numbers guy
        Because if I had a dollar
        for every time
        an Iraqi died since 2003
        I’d be a millionaire
        And don’t get me wrong
        Sometimes I don’t know
        who to hate more
        The governments in the West
        Or the politicians in the East
        Who sell their souls quicker than the oil they export
        Straw men who use Palestine
        as a tool to line their pockets
        And don’t give a nickel to their people
        Quisling governments
        Who stitch mouths shut for a check
        from Washington and AIPAC
        How can they be Israel’s prototypical anti-Semite
        If you are signing peace accords
        to oppress your own people?
        And then Orientalists and hypocrites
        talk about how democracy can’t be allowed the Middle East
        Because of what happened in Gaza
        A Hamas boogyman
        wrapped in democratic elections
        Rahm Emanuel wants to educate me
        and my people
        about democracy gone wrong
        Why doesn’t try implementing one in Israel first?
        Instead of bowing down to terrorists
        like his father and the IDF
        Lauding a third rate, racist, European society
        that’s imploding faster
        Than its moral standing in the world
        Enlightened like 1950s Afrikaners
        and slave traders
        Just because the house is beautiful
        Doesn’t mean the bones you built it on
        have fully decomposed
        The Israeli left
        is about as alive as Ariel Sharon
        I’m sick and tired of asking for permission to resist
        From antiquated leftists and progressives
        Who care more about keeping it Kosher
        than moving things forward
        I put down my pen and waving fist
        to resist with college kids and Palestinians
        Boycott and divest!
        Because who cares about
        preserving a living
        when governments are killing civilians
        We’ll boycott Lev Leviev,
        Caterpillar and your apartheid companies
        We’re taking back the right of return
        and the keys to our country
        Because we never asked you
        to go back to Europe
        or sit in open air prisons
        I’m not asking for your advice
        I’m explaining the decision
        You can stay here
        with us
        but only as equals
        It’s not that you’re Israeli
        it’s that you’re wrong
        That’s why I fight for my people!

      • Mooser on November 1, 2014, 11:30 am

        “The Temple Mount is in occupied territory and thus toying with/changing its status quo is not only offensive to Muslims, but endangers the political stability of Jerusalem.”

        Yonah, please see somebody who can treat you for intellectual dyslexia. Hooked on pilpuls and running around in circles is no way to live.

        So let me get this straight, Yonah. It’s not being occupied that destabilizes Jerusalem, it’s any change in that “occupied” status which threatens it? Sure, Yonah, okay.

      • Mooser on November 1, 2014, 11:57 am

        “The idea espoused by talknic…”

        You mean that condition ordinarily referred to as “reality” or “what actually happened”?

        Of course, speaking of espousal, that’s one idea which you’ll never propose to, Yonah. Poor Ms. Reality and and Miss What Actually Happened will just pine away like Patience on a monument before you pop the question!!

      • Mooser on November 1, 2014, 11:58 am

        And frankly, Yonah, the way you fool around with those two girls is a shame. Why not make an honest women of them? That would be big of you.

      • Mooser on November 1, 2014, 12:02 pm

        “the theory of sharing jerusalem without anyone having sovereignty sounds unrealistic to me and the fact instead of Israel exerting sovereignty over the western wall and the Jewish quarter is natural to me”

        Especially since, as a f—cking American, who lives in Brooklyn, you don’t risk so much as a fingernail in doing it.

      • Mooser on November 1, 2014, 12:05 pm

        ” if not the murder that accompanied the act because the military could not be bothered to save that woman.”

        Oh, don’t worry about it, Yonah. I mean, one woman killed by military carelessness in the 60 years of Israel’s existence? What other country can boast of that much purity of arms?
        But it speaks so well of you< Yonah, that you are still concerned about her death. You are a compassionate person, and I'm a 1500 lb., palmate-antlered ungulate!

      • wondering jew on November 2, 2014, 4:32 pm

        mooser- the moral of this story is: never respond to mooser.

      • Mooser on November 3, 2014, 10:57 am

        “Palestine, is interesting and important, but ultimately, there was no way for the 100,000 Jews who lived in Jerusalem in 1948 to be in a no man’s land, trusteeship of the United Nations when the rest of the land was under either Jewish sovereignty or Arab (Jordanian/Egyptian) sovereignty. “

        Yonah, why not respond to me with something that has the slightest semblance to reality?

      • Mooser on November 3, 2014, 11:04 am

        “mooser- the moral of this story is: never respond to mooser.”

        Yonah, you don’t need to respond to me, although you are welcome to, and I hang on your every word. But do keep in mind, if you comment, I am, as I understand it, free to respond to you!

        But why not ignore me, and respond to “Seafoid”? Or “catporn”?

    • bilal a on November 1, 2014, 12:23 pm

      Tourists should sing up for a visit to al aqsa before it is bulldozed for safety security reasons:

      “Charges against the student group, issued over a month after the incident, include “bias-motivated misconduct,” “harassment and bullying,” and violation of school demonstration policies. SJP-LUC explained their action in a statement released on October 1, stating that “about fifteen students decided on an ad-hoc basis to peacefully line up at the Taglit-Birthright table and ask if they, as Palestinians whose families were expelled from villages inside present-day Israel, could also register for a Birthright trip…After calm conversations between students at the front of the line and students tabling, and after being turned away from the registration table because they were not of the ‘right’ religious or ethnic identity, the Palestinian and Arab students lined up for a photo some distance away with signs identifying their village of origin and exposing their exclusion from the program…[N]o activities during this action can be characterized as threatening or as harassment.””
      http://palestinelegalsupport.org/2014/10/29/press-release-loyola-sjp-charged-with-discrimination-bullying-for-calling-out-birthright-israels-discrimination-against-palestinians/

      • Mooser on November 2, 2014, 4:35 pm

        “about fifteen students decided on an ad-hoc basis to peacefully line up at the Taglit-Birthright table and ask if they, as Palestinians whose families were expelled from villages inside present-day Israel, could also register for a Birthright trip…”

        Makes me wonder. What documents, what proof does Berthright demand to prove a person signing up for this expensive (to Berthright) trip really, truly Jewish?
        Why on earth is Berthright allowed in the place at all? It’s a patently discriminatory purpose, and shouldn’t be on University grounds.

  2. just on October 31, 2014, 3:50 pm

    Extrajudicial murder.

    “JERUSALEM (Ma’an) — The initial autopsy report of a Palestinian man slain by Israeli soldiers early Thursday shows that he was shot all over the body at least 20 times and that his death was caused by severe bleeding from his chest, neck, hands, legs, lungs, and heart.

    The report is expected to add fuel to allegations by Palestinians that Israeli officers charged with arresting Mutaz Hijazi, 32, on suspicion of potential involvement in the shooting of a right-wing Jewish activist late Wednesday, instead executed him.”

    much more: http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=736551

    Feiglin doth protest too much:

    ““So who’s the raped woman? The violent side, or the Jewish side?””

    Well since the ‘Jewish side’ is the ‘violent side’, I can’t really understand what he’s saying. But it sounds as though Roni and Marzel understand his bs.

    He’s an inciter of the first order:

    ““We are in a violent fight. From the free world against the evil forces, the most extreme Islam,” he said.”

    This is truly frightening. It is a continuation of the brutal war against Palestinians.

    • Kay24 on October 31, 2014, 6:35 pm

      One can consider these the words of terrorists. The same extremist views, talk, and words.
      Just like terrorists they inflict pain, and massacre civilians, and yet keep talking of causes and defending themselves. The world should be afraid of Jewish extremism, they have the backing of one of the well armed military forces in the world, and an equally ruthless secret service that can get into other nations on fake passports and kill their citizens.

      • Walid on November 2, 2014, 1:56 am

        “The world should be afraid of Jewish extremism, they have the backing of one of the well armed military forces in the world, and an equally ruthless secret service that can get into other nations on fake passports and kill their citizens. ”

        Kay, fasten your seat belt, Haaretz and Silverstein are telling us that the next head of Shin Beth is a “messianic” Orthodox settler of Yemeni roots, Roni Alsheikh. Silverstein goes on to describe the good things in store for Palestinians and good-guy Israelis from this guy:

        “… You can see where this is going. Israeli democracy, dying a slow death at the hands of the radical right will be strangled like a baby in its cradle by the incoming Shin Bet chief. The witch hunts against Palestinians both inside Israel and in the Territories will escalate. The Iron Hand will clench its fist even tighter. Religious war, just now simmering in Jerusalem, will be brought to the boiling point. Formerly marginal figures like Moshe Feiglin and Yehudah Glick will be given the run of the Temple Mount. Al Aqsa will be sealed more often (yesterday was the first time since 1967 it was closed to Muslim worship). Instead of stealing the homes of scores of East Jerusalem settlers, hundreds and thousands will be expelled by settler NGOs like Elad.”

        http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/10/31/haaretz-messianic-settler-roni-alsheikh-designated-next-shin-bet-chief/#comments

    • Marnie on November 2, 2014, 3:01 am

      Feiglin and his pals are godless monsters wearing a kippah and tallit. He’s the poster boy for the fanatic, rabid “religious” right and the settlers.

      The question raised again and again by Sean “Josef Goebbels” Hannity is “Where are all the nonviolent muslims? Why don’t they speak against extremism”? He’s never asked where are all the nonviolent Jews and why aren’t they speaking out against extremism. They nonviolent, the peace-seeking and loving Muslims and Jews have been marginalized and minimized by the media to the point one would think they don’t even exist. One would think that, for sure, if one didn’t venture out of the echo chamber of CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, Ma’ariv, Israel H’Yom, Arutz Sheva and the Jerusalem Post. The truth is out there, but it is all but obliterated by the lies.

  3. JLewisDickerson on October 31, 2014, 4:21 pm

    RE: “Within hours of Glick’s shooting, religious Jews vowed to storm the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in a revenge protest, of prayers. At 8 am Knesset member Moshe Feiglin chaired a rally of a dozen faithful. ‘We are in a violent fight. From the free world against the evil forces, the most extreme Islam,’ he said.”

    FOR SOME BACKGROUND ON FEIGLIN, SEE: “Feiglin New Rightist Power Behind Likud Throne”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 12/27/08

    [EXCERPTS] Gershom Gorenberg has written a stunner of a political appraisal of the role Moshe Feiglin and his far-right allies will play in Likud before and especially after the next national election. Feiglin is an Orthodox extremist settler leader who toiled in the political trenches of far-right splinter parties until he cottoned on to an idea David Duke had some time ago. Instead of laboring in political obscurity, take over the major party nearest to your ideology. In this case it was Likud.
    In the last leadership primary [back in 2008], Feiglin (remember again that his views are somewhat akin to Duke’s in an Israeli context) garnered 25% of the vote to embarrass Netanyahu deeply. In the most recent primary, Feiglin and his allies chipped away further at the party leader: not only did Feiglin place 20th on the list which would’ve made him a certain MK winner (party leaders later used technicalities to move him to 36th), but many of his ideological soulmates placed high in the list as well. Gorenberg argues that no matter how centrist Netanyahu tries to paint the party, the newly empowered extremists will weigh him down like an albatross. The Israeli journalist speculates that even IF (a big “if”) Netanyahu would want to engage in territorial compromise with the Palestinians after becoming prime minister, the rump right wing caucus could muster the support to nix such an initiative or anything that even smacks of craven capitulation to the enemy.

    Here are some of the more shocking beliefs that Feiglin holds:

    On the Jewish Leadership website, [he] proposes principles for a constitution for Israel. It would include a high rabbinic court, chosen only by clergy, that would overturn any legislation it saw as contradicting Jewish religious law. A newly established senate, with a guaranteed Jewish majority of over 80 percent, would have to consult the rabbinic court on all national issues. Israel would lay claim not only to the West Bank and Gaza, but also to all of Jordan.
    . . . He proposes . . . holding a ceremony at every army base in which all non-lethal weaponry would be destroyed. Faced with Palestinian demonstrators, soldiers could only shoot to kill. . . Another Feiglin tract contrasts parliamentary democracy with an “authentic Jewish regime” that would express the “organic unity of the Nation of Israel.” Put simply, Feiglin’s ideology is the meeting point of fundamentalism and fascism.

    Gorenberg concludes his essay with this warning about the false ‘branding’ of Likud under Netanyahu’s leadership:

    The campaign packaging for the Likud will show Netanyahu’s face. In his modulated MBA voice, he’ll try to sell the Likud to voters as a pragmatic conservative party, willing to make peace if only the Palestinians agree to its conditions. Inside the package, however, is a party in thrall to a lean and hungry man offering extremist leadership for Israel. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2008/12/27/feiglin-new-rightist-power-behind-likud-throne/

    • Mooser on November 1, 2014, 4:34 pm

      “Glick was struck while loading items into his car after a meeting at the Begin Heritage Center with Knesset member and founder of the Jewish Leadership (Manhigut Yehudit) political faction, Moshe Feiglin.”

      Ah, yes, the Begin Heritage Center, where there is no security, and no cameras, for a meeting between those two? Sure, no bodyguards, no media, either?

  4. JLewisDickerson on October 31, 2014, 4:32 pm

    RE: “‘We are in a violent fight with extreme Islam’ — Feiglin leads rightists to pray at al-Asqsa Mosque”

    MY COMMENT: This is yet another reason that Jerusalem must be made an ‘international city’ pursuant to General Assembly resolution 181 (II) November 29, 1947, which provides for the full territorial internationalisation of Jerusalem: “The City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations.”
    Netanyahu recently made it clear (albeit speaking only in Hebrew) that as far as he is concerned there will never be a sovereign nation-state of Palestine in the West Bank (with, or without, E. Jerusalem as its capital). Consequently, unless Jerusalem is protected by virtue of its being made an ‘international city’ administered by the UN, it is just a matter of time before the Dome of the Rock, the Al-Aqsa mosque and numerous other historic sites come under existential threat as Israel’s radical, extremist nationalists (like Yehuda Glick and Moshe Feiglin of the Temple Institute) become more and more determined to completely “Judeaize” the city.

    • bilal a on November 1, 2014, 7:41 pm

      I didnt know that it was contrary to orthodox Judaism to pray on the temple mount, Lynette Nusbacher explanations of the halaka is instructive, and her replies to the crazies have an impressive empathy and kindness. She almost places zionism, by implication, as a heretical movement, a new Judaism

      http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/a-herem-on-the-haram/

      • Mooser on November 3, 2014, 11:09 am

        “I didnt know that it was contrary to orthodox Judaism to pray on the temple mount”

        Do you think they are going to let a little thing like that stop them? You should see what Orthodox Judaism has to say about reviving the Jewish State or Empire.

      • Shmuel on November 4, 2014, 10:22 am

        Good article by Lynette Nusbacher. I would add that the retaining wall fetish presents many of the same problems as that of the Mount itself, characterised by various forms of idolatry — first and foremost the idolatry of nationalism.

  5. a blah chick on October 31, 2014, 4:39 pm

    “Glick was struck while loading items into his car after a meeting at the Begin Heritage Center with Knesset member …Moshe Feiglin. The assailant asked Glick to confirm his identify, speaking “in a thick Arabic accent,” and then fired three shots before fleeing on a motorcycle.”

    Query: If Glick was the target why did the assailent have to “confirm” his identity? Was the picture they printed off the inter tubes too fuzzy?

    Query: Why would the assassin spend three bullets on Glick and none on Feiglin, leaving the idiot alive and ambulatory and running his big mouth off about what he saw?

    Query: Is there a precedent for a suspect taking out police armed only with a drill?

    Query: Does anyone else think this account smells?

    • just on October 31, 2014, 6:00 pm

      “Query: Does anyone else think this account smells?”

      yes. it stinks to high heaven.

      • Mooser on October 31, 2014, 9:50 pm

        If Glick is in critical condition, wouldn’t there be updates from the hospital on his condition? And no photos of the wounded Glick?

      • just on October 31, 2014, 11:03 pm

        “‘The Danger is Decreasing, Yehuda Glick Will Recover’
        Head of Shaare Tzedek trauma clinic announces Glick’s vital points were missed, ‘will return to almost fully normal lifestyle.”

        http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/186862#.VFRNDBZZivk

        Any photos must be ‘super duper respected’. Ahem.

      • Mooser on November 1, 2014, 11:36 am

        So let me get this straight, Feiglin and Glick were hanging out by the Temple when an argument started. Feiglin shot Glick, but only wounded him. Who the hell are they trying to kid?

    • Marnie on November 2, 2014, 3:03 am

      Yep!

  6. Walid on October 31, 2014, 5:24 pm

    From where I’m standing, the terrorists in this story are Feiglin and the rabbi that got shot.

  7. eljay on October 31, 2014, 5:54 pm

    >> Moshe Feiglin: “I’m a Jew and I’m not allowed to go to the Temple Mount, for a Jew that almost got murdered yesterday,” said Feiglin, continuing, “So who’s the raped woman? The violent side, or the Jewish side?”

    The Palestinians are the raped woman. Zio-supremacists are the rapist. And that’s how it’s been for over 60 years.

    • a blah chick on October 31, 2014, 6:25 pm

      Bill Maher likened Gaza to a crazy lady who needed to be slapped. Someone on Twitter responded to Maher by saying that the lady was “crazy” because someone had broken into her house and was trying to rape her.

      • eljay on October 31, 2014, 9:40 pm

        >> a blah chick @ October 31, 2014, 6:25 pm

        Zio-supremacists love to gloss over the past and on-going acts of injustice and immorality driven by their ideology and perpetrated by them and their supremacist state.

        If what they have been doing to the Palestinians for over 60 years were being done to them, they’d be screaming bloody murder. But as long as they’re the ones doing it, it’s “moral” (where morality = goal + methods).

  8. ldq1997 on October 31, 2014, 6:24 pm

    I saw a DVD entitled “Jerusalem and the Lost Temple of the Jews” which seems to belie the whole issue of the al Aqsa Mosque being built on the location of the former temple. This is a study by Ken Klein, a Jew, who has made models and plans of the former temple and purports to prove that the temple as historically described could not possibly have fit on what is now the location of al Aqsa, and that the location of the temple must have been some place far away. I am not an architect or an engineer, and on the DVD this issue was presented in technical terms better understood by a qualified person I would like to bring this DVD to the arttention of persons more qualified than I am to form an intelligent opinion. If it is a valid theory, it would be very relevant to the turnoil now going on in Jerusalem.

    • annie on October 31, 2014, 6:51 pm


      here’s an interview with ken klein

    • just on October 31, 2014, 6:58 pm

      interesting.

      but let’s face it. the ultimate goal is to ethnically cleanse the land of indigenous Palestinians one way or another.

      the lost temple is just another excuse to fulfill the goal.

      • Philip Munger on October 31, 2014, 8:06 pm

        The so-called “Temple Mount” is the unfortunate intersection of some of the worst myths, prejudices, absurdities and hatreds of the three Abrahamic Male Sky God cult worshippers’ connection to their lizard brains. I regard it as a very evil place.

        I’m afraid the third intifada is starting, and it is going to be ugly.

    • a blah chick on October 31, 2014, 9:30 pm

      Since when did these fanatics let facts get in their way?

    • seafoid on November 2, 2014, 11:37 am

      I bought a book a while ago called the Rose guide to the Temple

  9. seafoid on October 31, 2014, 6:43 pm

    Feiglin is the reality check to all the “Hi my name is Leah I’m 21 and I’m an arts major and I want to leverage Jewish ethics and change the narrative here in the US by challenging AIPAC”
    Feiglin is a VJSB – Vicious Jewish Son of a Bitch and it’s people like him who drive Zionism, not the Leahs.

    • catporn on November 1, 2014, 6:10 am

      Leah might not drive Zionism, but her dad or aunt or cousin who donates and votes in accordance with AIPAC does.
      I watched ‘The day Israel attacked America’ on Al Jazeera yesterday http://m.aljazeera.com/story/20141028144946266462 it brings new evidence to light about the attack on USS Liberty in 1967 and the subsequent cover up.

      There’s exclusive audio tapes from Israeli jets, proving Israel had identified the USS Liberty as American before its forces attacked the ship, and exclusive first time revelations of the network of pro-Israel agents inside the Lyndon Johnson administration – identified in declassified Israeli documents by codenames – who fed secret information back to Jerusalem and worked to sway the president to cover up the attack on the Liberty.

      LBJ was furious about the attack and leaked a story to Time (?) condemning it, then the Jewish lobby applied pressure. Johnson hadn’t committed to run for reelection, and it was believed that AIPAC could sway as many as 169 of 270 seats in congress, his harsh outspoken rhetoric was replaced with conciliatory remarks about tragic ‘accidents’, the surviving sailors were kept under guard away from the press.

      The Liberty was a spy ship sent to keep an eye on the conflict, Israel didn’t want Washington to know it was a land grab until after the fact.

      “The top Israeli commanders had known exactly what they were doing when they attacked the Liberty and when it came to holding them to account, the US government rolled over for them.” Bobby Ray Inman – Former director NSA.

      So the question, if the Israeli lobby is so strong it can make the White House cover up the murder of 39 American sailors and the destruction of a ship, what can’t it do?

      • Keith on November 1, 2014, 5:05 pm

        CATPORN- “So the question, if the Israeli lobby is so strong it can make the White House cover up the murder of 39 American sailors and the destruction of a ship, what can’t it do?”

        I believe that the attack on the Liberty and subsequent cover-up is more complicated than simply a super-powerful lobby. When the Liberty was first ordered on station, they requested an escort which was denied. One can only assume that the Joint Chiefs saw no danger. Subsequently, two days prior to the attack, the Joint Chiefs ordered the Liberty to reposition itself 100 miles farther out, away from the combat zone. The order was never relayed by Admiral McCain (Senator McCain’s father). One can only assume that the Joint Chiefs received information indicating that the Liberty would be in danger, and that this was the best option. I’m guessing that they received a back-channel message from Moshe Dayan that unless the ship was moved Israel would attack it. Apparently, they agreed to do so. McCain sat on the orders (later claiming a technical glitch) probably with LBJ’s approval. When the attack occurred, there were so many secrets under the table that LBJ was desperate to hide that a cover-up was his only out. Remember, the six day war was a huge victory for US foreign policy goal of getting rid of Nasser and Pan-Arabism. Who knows, perhaps in another 50 years the full story will come out. Subsequently, on another occasion, Dayan threatened to shoot down US reconnaissance planes and the flights were halted.

      • catporn on November 2, 2014, 3:35 am

        Hi Keith, no doubt the intrigue goes deep. LBJ does seem to have been genuinely enraged by the event though, he personally leaked the story to Newsweek (not Time) and in response Israel had arrayed a gang of lawyers to sue him for blood liable and antisemitism, effectively ending his political career. A couple of sweeteners were added too, both related to the Vietnam war, first, political opposition to the war evaporated in the pro-Israel camp, and second, a copy of the Russian made SA2 SAMs that were responsible for so many American casualties was stolen by Israeli intelligence, manual and launcher included, and delivered to the American ambassador in Tel Aviv. The following year military aid quadrupled and an above top secret treaty ‘Stone Ruby’ was signed, pledging to share intelligence, it continues to this day.
        Considering LBJ’s reputation as the most pro-Israel President to date, and the circumstances under which he came to office, it’s hard not to speculate, all be it idly.
        Like you said, maybe another 50 years has to pass before the whole sordid truth comes out.

  10. seafoid on October 31, 2014, 7:21 pm

    YMedad, the settler who sometimes pops in here, works in the Begin Center fil Quds and has a long post on the settler view of what happened

    http://www.myrightword.blogspot.ch/2014/10/the-nytimes-does-in-temple-mount.html

    as well as this

    http://www.myrightword.blogspot.ch/2014/10/america-violates-its-own-religious.html

    Neediness and whining.
    Zero self awareness

    I think this is termed neurotic behavior in NYC

    • just on October 31, 2014, 7:25 pm

      “Neediness and whining.
      Zero self awareness”

      A hallmark of Zionists.

      When was the last time you heard a Palestinian whine?

  11. just on October 31, 2014, 8:54 pm

    Feiglin and his extremists and Israel are in a violent fight against Palestinians.

    Period.

    Not “extreme Islam”.

    • catporn on November 1, 2014, 6:33 am

      I think anyone that doesn’t accept their fate, as decreed by Israel, is considered an extremist.

  12. Mooser on October 31, 2014, 10:30 pm

    Did they run a diphenylamine test on Feiglin after the Glick shooting?

    • JLewisDickerson on November 1, 2014, 1:18 am

      MY SUSPICION: Yes, and it was positive for nitrates. But wouldn’t you just know it, Feiglin had a receipt in his pocket for a lunchtime target practice session earlier in the day at a nearby shooting range!

      ■ Self Defence Krav Maga – Close Quarter Battle [VIDEO, 05:22] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULcm8NBOF-0

      • JLewisDickerson on November 1, 2014, 1:55 am

        P.S. ALSO SEE: “Up in Arms”, By Ian Urbina Tuesday, VillageVoice.com, Nov 26 2002
        Israelis Flock to Buy Guns, Pack Heat at Services

        JERUSALEM—Unemployment and inflation are skyrocketing in Israel, but fear and paranoia are also soaring, and so business is booming for gun dealers and security companies. Israeli society is becoming so militarized that hosts of weddings and bar mitzvahs sometimes can’t attract guests unless they reveal the number of armed guards that will be on hand and even what firm they’re from.

        It’s not just rightists and settlers who are arming themselves. At the Magnum Gun Store in West Jerusalem, a first-time buyer waits in a line that runs out the door and down the block. A 40-year-old lawyer, David moved from Chicago several years ago. “I vote Meretz, and so do most of my friends,” he says with a shrug, referring to one of the country’s more left-leaning parties. “But to be honest, I think I’m the last person I know to finally get a gun.” A balding man next in line is growing noticeably impatient with such dovish sentiments. He wears a T-shirt emblazoned with an F-16 jet streaking across the front, and the message “Don’t Worry, America, Israel Will Protect You.”

        Inside the store, the aura is unambiguously stars-and-stripes: posters of Harley-Davidsons and Charlton Heston, ads announcing “Smith & Wesson: The American Choice.” Other stores are no less surreal. At the mega-mall Kirion, located in Kiryat Bialik, the Arsenal Store sits wedged between a day care center on one side and the remains of a 3000-year-old city named Afeq on the other. . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-11-26/news/up-in-arms/full/

      • annie on November 1, 2014, 2:11 am

        dickerson, that 2002 article is amazing.

      • Mooser on November 1, 2014, 11:46 am

        I knew “diphenylamine test” wouldn’t get past you, Mr. Dickerson!

        Of course, given the taciturn, almost phlegmatic and extrordinary pacifism of both men, how could anybody suspect that a little disagreement could end in a violent confrontation? I’m ashamed I should even think such a thing.

        BTW, did the ancient Israelites invent the Go-Pro?

      • JLewisDickerson on November 2, 2014, 5:09 pm

        RE: “BTW, did the ancient Israelites invent the Go-Pro?” ~ Mooser

        MY COMMENT: Yes, shortly after they created Arabic numerals (a/k/a Hindu-Arabic numerals and/or Indo-Arabic numerals)!

      • Mooser on November 3, 2014, 11:12 am

        “MY COMMENT: Yes”

        Well, current generation miniaturization can make them a lot smaller than those clumsy square boxes they have on. But you know: “Tradition!”

  13. JLewisDickerson on November 1, 2014, 1:35 am

    RE: ‘We are in a violent fight with extreme Islam’ — Feiglin leads rightists to pray at al-Aqsa Mosque”

    NORMAN POLLACK: “Fascism requires an Enemy, even if one has to be manufactured . . .”

    * SEE: Soft-Core Fascism, by Norman Pollack, CounterPunch.org, Oct 31-Nov 02, 2014

    [EXCERPT] America is in trouble. Its people have never been more supine in the face of, complicit in, indifferent to, the criminality of its policies, both foreign and domestic, yet this does not sufficiently seem to reassure its ruling groups, albeit, not a unified ruling class, but reasonably cohesive as drawn from financial elites, upper industrial and business circles, selected political and military officials, and any of the superrich I may have slighted. There is surprising unanimity at the top, corresponding in degree to the acquiescent in the middle and bottom ranks of society. Of course, radicals don’t like to hear that, but looking at the dimensions of social control, hidden as well as overt, in America, and from that plateau, the commission of war crimes on a steady basis in foreign affairs, one perhaps reluctantly has to admit truth will out: the fascistization of US society is moving right along, if not indeed nearing completion. Yet not to worry, it’s hardly noticeable, what I refer to as its soft-core expression, generally and more effectively under liberal auspices.

    You don’t need the more familiar concentration camp and gas chamber to subjugate a people. Heavy-handed intrusion into their lives combined with their own self-policing of word and deed as the desired consequence, usually is enough. For the object is the security/maintenance and expansion of monopoly capitalism free from blemish (i.e., internal criticism and foreign obstacles). There are infinite gradations of terrorization, the thin line from soft-core to hard-core manifestations of fascism often being hard to determine, especially since they in fact form a continuum and feed on each other. History, culture, and political institutions are often complicating factors, although at bottom terror, real or disguised, is held to be essential as the instrument of choice in reducing people into submission to Authority. Order is the operative term in characterizing fascist structure, ideology, and mental-set.

    Recognize anything familiar, yet? If, as in America, society is doing its job, the answer should be, No—the point of submission is to wrap it in the flag of DEMOCRACY. Lead the people to diversions, whether football, the stock market, fashion and sexual gratification, but not critical thinking, not the exposure of hegemonic planning and practice, the absence of political choice, the never-ceasing processes of wealth concentration and industrial-financial-commercial consolidation. Keep the people off-balance; purge their ranks of dissent. Starting to seem more familiar, fascism as a somewhat painless process (the Nazis had the motto, “Strength through Joy”) provided you have a scapegoat to unify the people?

    Fascism requires an Enemy, even if one has to be manufactured, is fictional, does not exist, or, through government policy and activity, in this case, eavesdropping, broadly conceived to include all modes of breaking down the walls and protections of privacy, is simply implied. For why else would government go to so much trouble if there wasn’t an enemy somewhere out there? Confirmation of subversion because of the effort to track it—hence government can do no wrong. Fascism is not a function of technological advancement, the latter merely a facilitator through more advanced means of creating and disseminating propaganda—as well as the instruments of less gentle social control. With this brief sketch, let’s turn to two items coming to my attention in the last 24 hours, what I might term, archetypal straws in the wind illustrative of a fundamental structural-ideological pattern: one, collective in reach, the other, applying to an individual (which may apply to many more, but who are less resourceful in the discovery of the intrusion on privacy). . .

    CONTINUED AT – http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/10/31/soft-core-fascism/

    • catporn on November 1, 2014, 7:12 am

      You might find this by Adam Curtis interesting
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/HAPPIDROME-Part-One
      Excerpt:
      The film then goes to another promoter of this utopian future – an experimental psychologist called B.F. Skinner. He outlines a new way of controlling and ordering people. It is no longer possible, he says, to tell people what to do. In an age of individualism and mass democracy people won’t accept that any longer. Instead you reward them for behaving in the ways you want them to.

      You make them happy, and they feel that they are in control – because by doing something they get the reward.

      Skinner had started doing this with pigeons – and the film shows how he trained them to peck at a particular button because if they did they got a pellet of food, whereas if they pecked another button they got nothing. For Skinner though, that was just the start – and the film shows how his ideas were also being applied to human beings.

      Here is that section – along with Skinner explaining his ideas. The film records an experiment in a mental hospital in San Bernadino – California. The patients are given rewards in the form of plastic fake money if they do what the doctors consider the right social behaviour. They can then use that money at meal-times to buy their way onto a “nice” table – with tablecloth and flowers.

      Those without the rewards have to eat – as one of the nurses puts it, “in less elegant conditions”.

      What emerges in the hospital is a new, ordered hierarchy created by a system of reward – but one where the patients don’t feel controlled – instead they feel “empowered” because it was through their actions that they received the reward. Skinner makes clear in the film that he sees this as a model for how to run a future kind of society
      Watching these sections of the film does make you think that what is being described is spookily close to the system we live in today. And that maybe we have misunderstood what really has emerged to run society since the 1980s.

      • JLewisDickerson on November 2, 2014, 5:32 pm

        Yes, in many ways the U.S. has become an enormous ‘Skinner box’ (a/k/a Operant conditioning chamber)!

      • JLewisDickerson on November 2, 2014, 5:56 pm

        P.S.
        Skinnerbox (Olaf Hilgenfeld and Iftah Gabbai) live, Hasenheide OA (Berlin, Germany) 2008 [VIDEO, 04:17] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN1Zod1eunE
        Skinnerbox: Sese (Original Mix) [VIDEO, 08:10] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyfOSEA3Lkk
        Skinnerbox’s stream on SoundCloud – https://soundcloud.com/skinnerbox

      • JLewisDickerson on November 2, 2014, 6:28 pm

        P.P.S.

        Skinnerbox Bio

        That particular view on a musical future might have been considerably different when Olaf Hilgenfeld (Germany) met Iftah Gabbai (Israel) for first sessions in 2004. The piano player Hilgenfeld used the accordion that time mainly, whilst Gabbai was using all instruments available, a computer among those more-less by chance.
        Only one year later the duo Skinnerbox played regularly on such uplifting, innovative off-partys (Bar 25, Bachstelzen) that came up within the new Techno generation again. That was just the beginning.

        Skinnerbox have developed a purely electronically composed and performed music (partly feat. vocals by Elle_P) – that is not based on loops but improvised, Techno inspired House and Minimal House. The roles in the duo are clearly settled: Olaf Hilgenfeld – Moog synthesizer, Iftah Gabbai – programming/controlling of hardware drum machines & samplers, Max/MSP, and Ableton Live. All these distinct impacts and effects can be heard on their various releases from the last two years, but far better in their live sets. Skinnerbox are an experience, taking you on expedition with paralyzing Minimal, breaking House, hard-edged Techno-Jazz, and ambient Electronica futurism.

        It was a desire to eternalize this play- & colorful diversity, often just caused by the moment, as entire homogeneity. Thus, they needed to leave temporarily their environmental Techno and Minimal House scapes. King Of Spades And Marmalades – the result – is a Jazz Opus wrapped into a Disco suitcase.

        Discography:
        J.A.B.F.L.A (12”, TonKind, TOK008s, 2006)
        PupoDelarosa (12”, TonKind, TOK009, 2007)
        Naked Cowboys (12”, Jato-Unit, JATOA001, 2008)
        Skinnerbox ft. RQM (12”, Neopren, NEO16, 2008)
        Binär Sedentär (12”, Jato-Unit, JATOA002, 2008)
        The PV Sessions (12”, Doxa, MMXA0803EP, 2008)
        several contributions to Bar 25 label (12” v/a, Bar 25, 2007-2008)
        King Of Spades And Marmalades (Doxa, MMXA0903LP, 2009)
        Sam & Earl (Doxa, MMXA1003MS, 2010)

        SOURCE – http://www.doxa.de/?id=35

  14. just on November 1, 2014, 9:45 am

    “JERUSALEM (Ma’an) — Israeli forces in occupied East Jerusalem on Friday attempted to detain two Palestinian children, a two-year-old and a nine-year old, on suspicion of throwing rocks.

    Israeli soldiers were conducting a raid on the home of the Jaber family in the Silwan neighborhood in order to search for an individual suspected of throwing rocks at them from the roof, the family told Ma’an.

    When the soldiers ascended to the roof to detain the alleged culprit, however, they found a two-year-old named Mimati Asaad Jaber who was playing with his mother. While they were playing, apparently, a rock had fallen into the street below.

    The boy’s grandfather, who was in the house during the raid, said that the boy was only playing and that he did not know there were soldiers in the street below the building when he tossed the stone.

    Upon seeing the two-year-old with his mother, however, the Israeli soldiers shifted their attention to a nine-year-old member of the family nearby.

    Members of the Jaber family told Ma’an that once Israeli soldiers found out the nine-year-old boy’s name — Izz al-Din al-Qassam, also the name of a famous Palestinian national hero and used by Hamas as the name for its military brigades — they began questioning him.

    The Israeli soldiers attempted to detain the nine-year-old boy based on the fact that he had “colored rocks” in his pockets, presumably to throw at soldiers, but when they searched the child they found that the “rocks” were in fact candy.

    A new draft law being considered by Israeli lawmakers would lead to charges of up to 20 years, even if it could not be proven that rock-throwers intended to cause damage.”

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=736653

    So brave. So moral.

  15. piotr on November 1, 2014, 10:30 am

    It is high time to recognize that monoteism was a mistake and to restore the Temple of Jupiter. And if you are a monoteist who believes in the Lord of the Universe, why should the Lord have such strong preference for one spot over another? Clearly, even in their own mythology, people of Yudah did not get Jerusalem right away, during the Conquest of Joshua, but generations later, and when they build a temple there, they did not convince many other tribes that this is The Temple. After a few hundred years, that temple was demolished, restored, demolished once more. While the Universe was there all the time.

    In modern terms, the Noble Sanctuary has its owner, a religious foundation with Hashemite kings as leaders, and the way it is used should be determined by the owner. What religious rites can be performed, by whom and when should be up to the owner. By forcing the owner of the Noble Sanctuary to accept Jewish visitors who want to pray and wank to the vision of restoring their Temple, the property rights are violated. Israel was never great on property rights, but Americans are supposed to be less casual.

  16. talknic on November 1, 2014, 10:51 am

    They have their stupid Hasabra talking pints honed “I’m a Jew and I’m not allowed to go to the Temple Mount”

    Na. You’re an idiot Israeli, illegally in non-Israeli territory. GC IV is there to help prevent you and your pathetic kind from the very likely violent consequences of being a part of the Occupying Power over other folk and their rightfull territory.

    The best thing would be for you and yours to p*ss off back to Israel where you belong.

  17. talknic on November 1, 2014, 10:54 am

    “pints” is ‘points’ and;

    “Hasbara” is drivel and;

    “You’re an idiot Israeli” is still ‘You’re an idiot Israeli’

  18. Kay24 on November 1, 2014, 12:02 pm

    Who knew stone age thinking existed on El Al flights:

    The In-Flight Safety Video El Al Should Show

    • just on November 1, 2014, 12:55 pm

      rotflmao!

      (wiping the tears away, too.)

      • Kay24 on November 1, 2014, 1:15 pm

        Good one eh? Despite all the accusations that Muslims are living in the stone age, seems they have a share of their pre-historic men too.

      • just on November 1, 2014, 1:44 pm

        That’s just Islamophobic caca.

        For example, guess who was at the forefront of embryonic stem cell research starting at least as far back as 2002?

        Yep. You guessed correctly! Iran.

        “In 2002, Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei created a “stem cell fatwa” declaring experimentation with human embryonic stem cells consistent with Shiite Islam and encouraging scientists to advance the technology to save lives.”

        http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/rough/2009/06/iran_stem_cell.html

        This is while Dubya and his ilk ran away, scared by science.

      • Kay24 on November 2, 2014, 7:11 am

        If you watch the PBS documentary”Islam: Empire of Faith” you will realize the enormous contributions towards science, arts and even architecture, made by Islam and it’s scholars, years ago. Those wonderful achievement helps the rest of the world, progress even further.
        There is an element of envy that shows through the rantings of Islamaphobes and hasbarats, who hate to admit to it, and instead brag of how much contributions their own make in sciences etc, and denigrate the Islamic world today, but they conveniently forget, even the hospitals they now run were initially the concept of Islamic scholars, who even realize that germs existed.

    • seafoid on November 1, 2014, 5:43 pm

      That video is from Tablet, which is quite significant.
      American Jews are turned off by Israeli religious sexism.
      It goes down very badly with young American Jews.

    • Marnie on November 2, 2014, 7:35 am

      Hilarious!!

    • amigo on November 2, 2014, 1:51 pm

      Kay 24 , These cave dwellers should get a little Wilde .

      “The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself.”
      Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891

  19. Talkback on November 1, 2014, 1:42 pm

    The problem in Palestine is violent Judaism.

  20. Daniel Rich on November 1, 2014, 3:26 pm

    Well, all those ‘Go Pro’ cameras should wield some extremely intimate footage, once the dust has settled down.

  21. seafoid on November 1, 2014, 5:43 pm

    I just don’t see the point of Feiglin praying.

    • seafoid on November 1, 2014, 5:45 pm

      or maybe the word was misspelt. Maybe he will prey upon al Aqsa

  22. Daniel Rich on November 1, 2014, 7:44 pm

    This is like watching a peaceful K1 fight.

  23. Brewer on November 1, 2014, 11:20 pm

    I hope that picture disappears off the site headline soon, it recalls to mind every rabid racist Zionista I have ever encountered. That is one ugly mug.

  24. PilgrimSoul on November 2, 2014, 12:40 am

    “However, authorities had difficulty putting a lid on Israeli-rightists attempting to enter the Haram al-Sharif, the location of sites holy to two religions, for Jews the Temple Mount, for Muslims the al-Aqsa Mosque.”

    I think the above is not quite accurate–somebody correct me if I’m wrong. The Noble Sanctuary (Haram al-Sharif) contains two structures that are holy to Islam, the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock. There is another small structure called the Dome of the Chain, and there are some Herodian walls which probably date back to the Byzantine period, but they have no particular value to anyone except a few archeologists.

    My point is that there are two main structures (two 7th-century Mosques) on the esplanade of the Noble Sanctuary. The Al Aqsa Mosque is the third-most holy site in Islam. Jews call the area the Temple Mount, but I don’t think there are any Jewish structures there. Not far away is the Wailing Wall, which is a Jewish structure, and there are many other Jewish structures in Jerusalem.

    After the destruction of the Second Temple, the Temple Mount area remained undeveloped for six centuries, after which the two Islamic Mosques mentioned above were built.

    The special significance of the Temple Mount to Jews rests on what many Jews believe once happened there (that the ruins of the Second Temple are buried there), and what they think will someday happen there–that is, they dream of destroying Al Aqsa and building a ‘Third Temple’ in its place, which they believe will bring about the end of human history and the end of the world. Increasingly various groups of national-religious Jews believe that they have the right to established “sovereignty” over the existing Mosques on the Noble Sanctuary for this reason.

    Since 2010 groups of right-wing settlers have been regularly trying to push their way inside Al Aqsa to perform certain rituals, and in the last two years it has become a crisis. The right-wing settlers have succeeded in getting inside the Mosque on several occasions.

    The real goal of this movement among right-wing Jews, which they have copiously documented on the internet and in books, is to impose “sovereignty” over the Noble Sanctuary, and then blow up, or burn down, the Al-Aqsa Mosque so that they can build a ‘Third Temple’ on its ruins. They are well aware, of course, the Al Aqsa is the third-most holy site in Islam. which is why they focus so much attention on the area. Their real motivation is to kick off a worldwide religious war between Islam and the West, which they think will end human history, redeeming an evil world in the process. The hideous Christian evangelicals who are helping them think that the resulting chaos will cause the Second Coming of Jesus.

    Furthermore, these same Christian fundies and evangelicals believe that when Jesus returns to earth, he will force all the Jews to convert to their brand of Christianity, but then–wait for it–he will whack out all the Jews that decline to convert to their unattractive and aggressively backward form of Christianity, so that in that manner Jesus will finish the murderous job that the Nazis began at the Wannsee Conference.

    Netanyahu needs the national-religious Jews and the Jewish Home party to win elections. He probably thinks he can “control” the fanatics. The problem is, they have absolute impunity in everything they do, as does Netanyahu himself. Obama apparently knows all about what is going on, but since the press in Israel has imposed a semi-blackout on what is happening, US daily journalism and the entire political class in the US follows suit, so nobody is allowed to talk about it and it never really gets into the news columns.

    This is the nightmare hour for the Abrahamic idea.

    • annie on November 2, 2014, 1:41 am

      pilgramsoul, i do believe this is the nightmare hour for the Abrahamic idea.

      there are too many misconceptions in your post (imho) to name them all, but i wanted to clarify something here:

      when Jesus returns to earth, he will force all the Jews to convert to their brand of Christianity, but then–wait for it–he will whack out all the Jews that decline to convert to their unattractive and aggressively backward form of Christianity, so that in that manner Jesus will finish the murderous job that the Nazis began at the Wannsee Conference

      it’s my understanding not only the non converting jews who will be wiped out, it’s everyone who has not accepted christ as our lord/savior. not to minimize jewish death/suffering, but there’s a few billion others that may not make it thru to the end of times either.

      • RoHa on November 2, 2014, 3:52 am

        “but there’s a few billion others that may not make it thru to the end of times either. ”

        Yeah, but they don’t matter.

      • Marnie on November 2, 2014, 7:46 am

        RoHa beat me to it – the few billion others just don’t matter.

        Every faith that has a built some structure and claimed it is holy, holy, holy is just crazy, crazy, crazy and killing each other over these man-made structures surely is an abomination. I can’t get over how stupid people are about something they made. It’s nothing. Whatever you believe in, the “noble sanctuary” or “kotel” should be in your head and your heart. Will you all (muslims, jews, christians) stop believing if you don’t have these structures? Your belief must be pretty superficial to say the least.

      • eljay on November 2, 2014, 9:22 am

        >> Marnie: Every faith that has a built some structure and claimed it is holy, holy, holy is just crazy, crazy, crazy and killing each other over these man-made structures surely is an abomination. I can’t get over how stupid people are about something they made.

        I have greater respect for my wife’s “spirituality” – her very-personal belief in an intangible “something greater than us” – than I do for any human-devised, -designed and -promoted “this is what you must worship and this is how you must worship it” religion.

      • Mooser on November 2, 2014, 10:59 am

        “Every faith that has a built some structure and claimed it is holy, holy, holy is just crazy, crazy, crazy and killing each other over these man-made structures surely is an abomination.

        NOT the Sufis! They will wait, through eons if need be, for the perfect wave.

        I admire that. And if my religious principles did not forbid it, I’d just about kill for one of those boards. I’ve never seen more beautiful boards.

      • Mooser on November 2, 2014, 11:03 am

        “I have greater respect for my wife’s “spirituality””

        I have a great respect for my wife’s spirituality, too. Of course, she is ten years younger than me.
        Mostly, I just try to stay out of its way.

  25. talknic on November 2, 2014, 4:54 am

    Here … I’ve re-arranged a few things in the Hasbara> to suit the occasion.

    Zionists wanted Yehuda Glick killed to garner sympathy and publicity

    • Marnie on November 2, 2014, 7:47 am

      Wouldn’t be a surprise.

    • Mooser on November 2, 2014, 11:00 am

      Is Glick dead, or only wounded?

      • Citizen on November 3, 2014, 7:44 am

        What makes Sammy Glick run?

      • seafoid on November 3, 2014, 12:12 pm

        Mentally dead but prolly just physically wounded.

  26. JLewisDickerson on November 2, 2014, 8:25 pm

    RE: “Feiglin leads rightists to pray at al-Aqsa Mosque”

    MY COMMENT:
    Behold The Goddess.
    Worship at the altar of her hydropneumatic suspension.
    All hail!

    STREAMS FROM NETFLIX FOR A FEW MORE DAYS:
    The Goddess of 1967, 2000, NR, 1hr 54m
    A young Japanese man comes to Australia to buy his dream car, and ends up on a cross-country journey with the niece of the car’s previous owner.
    Netflix listing – http://www1.netflix.com/WiMovie/70059572
    IMDb (7.1/10) – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0255195/
    Trailer: The Goddess Of 1967 (2000) [VIDEO, 03:20] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt0AldAJv1k
    ENTIRE FILM ALSO ON YouTube [VIDEO, 1:54:19] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7WJplsyE48

    • JLewisDickerson on November 2, 2014, 9:05 pm

      P.S. ALSO RE: “Feiglin leads rightists to pray at al-Aqsa Mosque”

      ISHMAEL (from Moby-Dick, 1851):

      “I have no objection to any person’s religion, be it what it may, so long as that person does not kill or insult any other person, because that other person don’t believe it also. But when a man’s religion becomes really frantic; when it is a positive torment to him; and, in fine, makes this earth of ours an uncomfortable inn to lodge in; then I think it high time to take that individual aside and argue the point with him.”

      SOURCE – http://lit.genius.com/Herman-melville-moby-dick-chap-17-the-ramadan-annotated

    • Mooser on November 3, 2014, 11:15 am

      Speaking of Australia, ever see “Priscilla, Queen of the Desert”? Fun movie, very interesting, too.

      • seafoid on November 3, 2014, 12:11 pm

        Great movie, Mooser

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