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Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, went against the Obama administration’s own line when he said Thursday that the Israeli military acted “responsibly” and went to “extraordinary lengths” to minimize Palestinian civilian casualties during Operation Protective Edge last summer.

State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki confirmed Friday during a daily press briefing in Washington that the administration still believes “Israel could have done more to prevent civilian casualties” during the offensive on the Gaza Strip.

She made the remarks in direct response to a question that referenced both the general’s declaration and the State Department’s condemnation of Israel’s Aug. 3 shelling of a United Nations Reliefs and Works Agency school in Rafah. Psaki issued a statement after that attack, saying that the US was “appalled.” She described it as “disgraceful.”

“The coordinates of the school, like all UN facilities in Gaza, have been repeatedly communicated to the Israeli Defense Forces,” she said. “The suspicion that militants are operating nearby does not justify strikes that put at risk the lives of so many innocent civilians. We call for a full and prompt investigation of this incident as well as the recent shelling of other UNRWA schools.”

Dempsey made the remarks at a Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs conference in New York. He praised widely-criticized tactics, claiming that Israel’s dropping of leaflets and its “roof-knocking” sufficiently warned civilians of impending attacks.

“They did some extraordinary things to try to limit civilian casualties, to include calling out, making it known that they were going to destroy a particular structure,” Dempsey said.

“It’s an incredibly difficult environment, but I can say to you with confidence that I think that they acted responsibly,” he added.

Roof-knocking, which refers to the firing of a blank shell at the roof of a targeted structure to allegedly warn of an impending attack, has been panned by human rights groups.

“There is no way that firing a missile at a civilian home can constitute an effective ‘warning’,” Phillip Luther, Amnesty International’s Director of the Middle East and North Africa Program said in July, at the start of the assault. “Amnesty International has documented cases of civilians killed or injured by such missiles in previous Israeli military operations on the Gaza Strip.”

In November, Luther elaborated, saying that the possible presence of militants in civilian homes “would not absolve Israel of its obligation to take every feasible precaution to protect the lives of civilians caught up in the fighting.”

“The repeated, disproportionate attacks on homes indicate that Israel’s current military tactics are deeply flawed and fundamentally at odds with the principles of international humanitarian law,” he added.

Mahmoud Abu Rahma, coordinator for the Gaza-based Al Mezan Center for Human Rights, echoed Luther’s July condemnation when he told CNN that the warnings are meaningless.

“Imagine you are in Gaza and there are airstrikes everywhere, and many families are in the bottom floor of their home,” he said. “Families miss the sound of the ‘warning’ missile because it sounds like just another explosion.”

The network noted that homes which weren’t targeted were severely damaged in strikes on neighboring homes that received “roof knocks”, and that some civilian homes were targeted and destroyed without receiving any warning.

Videos taken during Protective Edge have also shown that some warnings came only about a minute before the final strike.

Abu Rahma also told CNN that leaflets warning of attacks were meaningless when all infrastructure in Gaza, including UNRWA structures, were targeted by the Israeli military without evidence they were being actively used to shelter Palestinian militants.

“These are more threats than warnings,” he said.

The entire premise of the Israelis avoiding civilian casualties through warnings is questionable considering the alleged defensive aims of Protective Edge and the flimsy casus belli at the heart of the justification for the operation. Before tensions flared, the Israeli government had launched aggressive operations against Palestinians after accusing Hamas officials of orchestrating the kidnapping and murder of three teenage Israeli settlers in the West Bank. The New York Times  reported on Sept. 4 that the Israeli investigation into the triple murder tendered “no evidence that the top leaders of Hamas directed or had prior knowledge of the plot to abduct the three Israeli youths.”

On Sept. 1, the United Nations said that  2,104 Palestinians, including at least 1,462 civilians, were killed in Israel’s assault on Gaza, and that 66 Israeli soldiers and 7 civilians were killed in Palestinians’ response.

Among the dead Palestinian civilians were scores killed after an indiscriminate assault on the Shujaiyah neighborhood of Gaza City. According to Al-Jazeera, the assault was described by an unnamed US military official as being designed to “kill a lot of people in as short a period of time as possible.”

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  1. just on November 8, 2014, 1:22 pm

    So this Kareer Killer of ME folk has defended the indefensible. Maybe it makes his/US actions more palatable– you know, “collateral damage” and Occupation actions.

    Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs :

    “President’s Welcome

    Joel H. Rosenthal

    Where does one go for guidance on the great moral issues of war, peace, and social justice? Religious institutions, schools, and moral leaders all play their indispensable roles. Yet there is no hub, no focal point, and no single place of reference to send an inquiry or consult with the world’s experts.

    Carnegie Council answers this call. Through our programs, our publications, and our websites, we aim to be the world’s central address for ethics in international affairs.”

    Mr. President, please replace Dumpster Dempsey. His proclamation is the antithesis of ethical.

    • on November 8, 2014, 3:50 pm

      I highly doubt this was Dempsey’s idea. I suspect he does not particularly enjoy making complete ass of himself by saying such a ridiculous thing. Nothing the Zionists like more than humiliating their patrons.

      • just on November 8, 2014, 4:11 pm

        It doesn’t sound like Hagel, either.

        cui bono? surely not the 3000 US soldiers in Iraq…..

      • seafoid on November 8, 2014, 4:13 pm

        The bots pay a lot for political influence and Dempsey had to throw them a biscuit.
        But the bigger picture is very disturbing for them. They lost a lot of friends in August.

        And this roof knocking , very impressive yada yada.
        What it all means is that the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions are dead.
        And ISIS know that too.
        And some day it’ll be the sabras’ turn to experience the new war from the side of the powerless.
        And there’ll be no point in whining about proportion.

      • Krendall Mist on November 8, 2014, 7:33 pm

        Giles–You have a superficial appreciation of the Israelization of the American elite. Superachieving careerist ass kissers like Dempsey do not need to be told what to say or even what to think. They are eager, ambitious and well-trained traitors devoted to sucking the last drop of blood from the American corpse to feed the Jewish state. And what is with this delusional Chomsky-ite client state reference? The DC elite goyim are no more Israeli “patrons” than the hatchet in my toolshed is my patron.

      • just on November 8, 2014, 8:31 pm

        It’s all PNAC, JINSA, Heritage, AIPAC, US Congress, DOD, GE, Raytheon, Halliburton, Academi (aka Blackwater), et al.

        It never goes away. It just grows and grows.

      • on November 9, 2014, 11:13 am

        Krendall. While I agree with your point generally, I find it hard to believe that Dempsey himself came up with this idea to publically come forward with such an obvious lie which makes him look a complete ass. I strongly suspect this is just more of the Zionist pattern of humiliating those whom they both control yet depend upon for survival. By patron I mean that, without the total and submissive support of the Washington elite, the Zionist project would have disappeared long ago. So the Washington elite are their patrons in that sense.

        In the words of the great System of a Down:

        You depend on our protection,

        Yet you feed us lies from the table cloth.

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 11:23 am

        “The DC elite goyim are no more Israeli “patrons” than the hatchet in my toolshed is my patron.”

        I’m sure Giles made a word or syntax error when typing, and there is no “edit” function. I’m pretty sure Giles meant to say that the Zionists are the “patrons”.

      • on November 9, 2014, 5:30 pm

        Since all of the money is flowing in one direction from the American taxpayer to Israel, doesn’t that make us the patron? Albeit one which is constantly being abused by our “ward”.

      • peeesss on November 10, 2014, 1:44 am

        Just, “It didn’t sound like Hagel, either.” You might be thinking of the Hagel pre . Secr. Of Defense tenure. Since his humiliation at the Senate confirmation hearing where he apologized, begged forgiveness for every comment he ever made that displeased the Israel first crowd. His time as Secretary of Defense has been more of craven public statements of support for Israeli politicians, war criminals all. His latest embrace of Israeli defense Minister Yaalon, an actual physical hugging and kissing , came after the rest of the State Dept. would not meet with him due to his insulting remarks accusing Kerry of “Messianic” desires. This same Yaalon has said repeatedly there will never be a Palestinian State. Hagel has not said one word publicly of any misgivings of Israel’s latest Gaza massacres. He even approved , rearming the IOF with rockets , munitions, and other lethal weaponry to continue the slaughter . No, the new Mr. Hagel is not someone to feel comfortable with if justice for Palestine is sought.

      • MRW on November 10, 2014, 11:53 am

        Dempsey bucks Obama line by praising Israelis for Gaza tactics

        Job interview.

    • Denis on November 9, 2014, 4:49 pm

      @seafroid: The bots pay a lot for political influence and Dempsey had to throw them a biscuit. But the bigger picture is very disturbing for them. They lost a lot of friends in August.

      You gave a link to the DM, but just as apropos would be this link to the Independent: “Labour funding crisis: Jewish donors drop ‘toxic’ Ed Miliband”

      For those not following UK politics, Ed Miliband is a Jew and the current leader of the Labour Party, trying to boot David Cameron out in next year’s elections.

      Talk about losing a lot of friends in August. After Operation Protective Dredge killed 2200 Gazans and the entire infrastructure of Gaza, Miliband was very critical of Israel and Labour was standing with Palestine, which, of course, carried an extra punch b/c Miliband is an alpha-dog Jewish politician.

      Every since then the UK press have absolutely ripped him apart over the dumbest things, and he is now barely hanging on as Labour leader. Long-time Jewish Labour donors are fleeing, including actress Maureen Lipman.

      Under UK elections law English politicians are only permitted to spend 19M GBP per party and large individual donors are very important. And so this is a small-scale version of what happens to US politicians who turn against GoI.

      Dempsey, no doubt aware of the power of the Israeli-controlled press, is just keeping his cards in play should he ever decide to become America’s next Eisenhower.

  2. Citizen on November 8, 2014, 1:27 pm

    Pentagon Aims to Copy Israel Tactics on Civilian Deaths in War–70% Civilian death rate is new model for USA Military

  3. HarryLaw on November 8, 2014, 1:29 pm

    500 dead children and what NGO’s including Amnesty International call war crimes is what Dempsey is supporting, it is not surprising, the political elite and military leaders of Israel have war crimes as official policy. Known as the Dahiya doctrine after a suburb in Beirut was reduced to rubble Gabriel Siboni, a colonel in the reserves, set out the new “security concept” in an article published by Tel Aviv University’s Institute of National Security Studies two months before the assault on Gaza. Conventional military strategies for waging war against states and armies, he wrote, could not defeat sub-national resistance movements, such as Hizballah and Hamas, that have deep roots in the local population.
    The goal instead was to use “disproportionate force,” thereby “inflicting damage and meting out punishment to an extent that will demand long and expensive reconstruction processes.”
    Siboni identified the chief target of Israel’s rampages as “decision makers and the power elite,” including “economic interests and the centers of civilian power that support the [enemy] organization.”

    • just on November 8, 2014, 1:58 pm

      We have a special relationship with them…we have joint exercises, too.

      It’s quite likely that Dempsey also admires Offal Ofer Winter:

      “Full translation of Ofer Winter’s letter:

      Commander’s Combat Material for “Solid Rock” Operation [a.k.a. “Protective Edge]

      Dear commanders and fighters,

      It has been our great privilege to command and serve in the Givati Brigade at this time. History has chosen us to be the sharp edge of the bayonet of fighting the terrorist enemy “from Gaza” which curses, defames and abuses the God of Israel’s battles. We have practiced and prepared for this time and we take upon ourselves the mission with full humility, and being willing to endanger ourselves and give our lives to protect our families, our nation and our homeland.

      We will act together forcefully and with resolve, with initiative, and with deceptive tricks and aim for contact with the enemy. We will do everything to live up to the mission and wipe out the enemy and remove the threat from the Nation of Israel. Nobody here returns without performing.

      We will act and do everything to return our lads safely. Using all means at our disposal and with all required force.

      I trust you, each and every one of you, to act in that spirit, in the spirit of Israeli fighters who are the pioneers leading the camp. The spirit of Givati. I turn my eyes to the sky and call with you “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” God, the Lord of Israel, make our path successful, as we are about to fight for Your People, Israel, against an enemy who defames your name. In the name of the IDF fighters and in particular, the fighters and commanders from the Brigade, make the phrase “For the Lord your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you.” come true, and we shall answer: Amen.

      Together and only together we will win.

      Ofer Winter, Colonel
      Commander of the Givati Brigade”

      Bear in mind that Hamas is the only resistance to the genocide. The Palestinians have no army, no navy, no air force, no national guard– no nothing!

      • Horizontal on November 8, 2014, 8:18 pm

        The special relationship is resembling more and more the relationship my intestines might have with a tape worm.

        And if you lived in Gaza, and the election was between a Hamas candidate and a Fatah candidate, which one do you think you’d vote for?

        ‘Nuff said . . .

      • Denis on November 9, 2014, 4:17 pm

        the terrorist enemy “from Gaza” which curses, defames and abuses the God of Israel’s battles.

        Sounds like a load of Salafists’ crap. Or, more particularly, the Salafists being Semites, too, it sounds like a load of generalized My-Guy-In-the-Sky crap.

        Here is the GoI battle plan, straight from Moses:

        When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for and shall serve you.

        But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all of its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your booty which the Lord your God has given you.” Deuteronomy 20:10-14

        With all due respect, Colonel, in response to your theological position, your My-Guy-In-the-Sky of Israel’s battles can suck my a**.

  4. HarryLaw on November 8, 2014, 1:33 pm

    Sorry wrong link above, here is the one I wanted to link

  5. HarryLaw on November 8, 2014, 1:54 pm

    The only problem with the Dahiya docrine is that the enemy will adopt the same tactics, only aimed at the vital infrastructure of the TelAviv area, including Ben Gurion Airport, and sea ports.
    The closure of which, for even relatively short periods would mean no more Israel. Hezbollah’s leader Nazrallah , [not known for exaggeration] promised this in his latest speech.

    • Horizontal on November 8, 2014, 8:21 pm

      The closure of which, for even relatively short periods, would mean no more Israel.

      Could we get that in writing?

  6. concernedhuman on November 8, 2014, 2:13 pm

    So it is true when israel says, it has a strong bond with Pentagon or US defense though there is a problem at white house level.
    Israel controls US at Defense Level and the US Congress..

    • Horizontal on November 8, 2014, 8:07 pm

      Think about it. The Pentagon is in cahoots with the weapons industries and the intelligence industries. Old soldiers used to fade away; not anymore: now, they get jobs as advisers in the intelligence industries and the weapons industries. It’s one big corrupt revolving door with lots of money to be made coming and going. Israel is a big part of the action, and being friendly to the right people opens doors.

      As long as the status quo remains profitable, then the status quo remains.

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 11:25 am

        Obama didn’t clean out the Bush military, first thing, as soon as he got elected. And it’s been biting him in the ass ever since. He is in as much control of the US military in the ME as Hirohito was of the Japanese Army in “Manchuko”.

      • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 5:53 pm

        He didn’t do any of the housecleaning that we who voted for him expected him to do. Instead of rebuking the 8 years of Bush abuses and making a clean break, he tried instead to get along with the republicans in congress to get his health care initiative passed, I imagine.

        So instead of a South African-style Truth Commission national cleansing, we got pretty much Bush 2.0. Not only didn’t the torture-happy military get reformed, but neither did Wall Street or the National Security State, or our ridiculous relationship with Israel, and now Obama is hurling drones right and left with little accountability.

        I gotta say, once upon a time, I had high hopes.

      • Mooser on November 10, 2014, 4:41 pm

        I would have thought he would have made some attempt to get them out, for self-protection if no other reason.

  7. Horizontal on November 8, 2014, 2:32 pm

    A disgrace to the uniform and the flag under which he serves. Maybe the CiC should bust him down to colonel.

    Anyone know if this guy is one of those Soldiers for Jesus that run through our military ranks?

    You realize, of course, that this means that he’d be down with the United States using the exact same tactics with the exact same horrific results. Since when did defending the indefensible become defensible?

    • just on November 8, 2014, 2:44 pm

      Maybe he’s trying to placate Netanyah. This happened in 2012:

      “Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak have launched a vicious attack on US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey, an American war hero, saying his recent statements “served Iran.” They objected to his statement on Sunday, on Fareed Zakaria’s GPS , that

      “I don’t think a wise thing at this moment is for Israel to launch a military attack on Iran…”

      He also said such a strike “would be destabilizing” and “not prudent.” He added,

      “…we are of the opinion that the Iranian regime is a rational actor. And it’s for that reason, I think, that we think the current path we’re on is the most prudent path at this point.”

      Prime Minister Netanyahu, who in the past has called for expulsion of Palestinians from their West Bank home and boasted of derailing the 1993 Oslo Peace Accords, accused Dempsey of “serving Iranian interests,” according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz (“The Land”), which wrote:

      “We made it clear to Donilon that all those statements and briefings only served the Iranians,” a senior Israeli official said. “The Iranians see there’s controversy between the United States and Israel, and that the Americans object to a military act. That reduces the pressure on them.”

      Likely officials of the far right wing Likud Party were especially angered by Dempsey’s assessment that the Iranian leadership is made up of “rational actors.” Israel and its media agents in the United States have expended enormous resources in attempting to convince the US public that the Iranian leadership is made up of mad mullahs obsessed with the end of the world who would gleefully light the nuclear match that brought about an apocalypse. (All this completely untrue and mere racist pablum.) To have the top military man in the United States undo the work of millions of dollars worth of propaganda must have been galling indeed.

      Netanyahu’s charge that Dempsey is “serving Iran” is completely unacceptable and deserves a stern rebuke from the Obama administration if it is not going to make itself look like a complete set of wusses.”


      • Horizontal on November 8, 2014, 5:19 pm

        Why doesn’t someone — on the record — calmly and clearly, tell Netanyahu to go stick it? I’d do it, but no one would notice. I’m sick and tired of this collection of angry chumps pulling our foreign policy strings behind the scenes.

        Obama won’t do it either; he loves mincing words and racing to the center, which now is so far to the right as to be unrecognizable. No, we need a modern day Ike, but his party stopped being rational some time ago.

      • Kay24 on November 8, 2014, 6:49 pm

        Not only Obama, the good for nothing Congress must also stand up for him, after all he is one our bravest and fights for our country. Where is the loyalty?

  8. just on November 8, 2014, 2:58 pm

    “‘It is very disturbing and shameful that U.S. military commanders believe that what Israel did in Gaza is something to be applauded,’ says Ramah Kudaimi of US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation.”

    Critics say it is “shameful” that a high-ranking U.S. military official suggested the Pentagon can learn lessons from Israel’s 50-day attack on Gaza this summer.

    According the Jerusalem Post, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey made statements Thursday praising the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) for taking “extraordinary lengths to limit collateral damage and civilian casualties” during Operation Protective Edge.

    Dempsey told an audience at the Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs: “We sent a team of senior officers and non-commissioned officers over to work with the IDF to get the lessons from that particular operation in Gaza.” He referred to the group of officers as the “lessons learned team.”

    It is very despicable that the U.S. continues to white-wash Israeli crimes while funding them through military aid,” said Kudaimi. “Dempsey’s statements are not shocking. Anyone who follows U.S. military policy, knows they too have problematic definitions of protecting civilians.””

  9. wondering jew on November 8, 2014, 3:13 pm

    Here’s how I read this: The US military is involved in fighting wars against urban populations not dissimilar in many ways from the fight Israel had with Gaza and in those wars, in fact, until this point of time, the US military has done less to minimize civilian casualties than what Israel did in Gaza and thus Dempsey feels that there is something to learn.

    Human rights advocates are not impressed by Israel’s efforts for to them, the war is bad and any effort is almost by definition less than optimal and these efforts compared to some unseen alternative (it’s not funny, so to propose each building having a phone number posted for the Israeli army to contact in case of an attack seems to make comedy out of people’s deaths…) are certainly less than optimal. So a general who is fighting similar wars is interested in emulating Israel, and the human rights advocates who are against all such wars is unimpressed by Israel’s efforts.

    • just on November 8, 2014, 3:18 pm

      Israel committed mass murder, a massacre, a genocide, they targeted civilians.

      It was NOT a “war”.

      You “read” it wrong.

    • surewin on November 8, 2014, 4:10 pm

      “The US military is involved in fighting wars against urban populations not dissimilar in many ways from the fight Israel had with Gaza…” – yonah fredman

      What a coincidence! They should really compare notes from time to time.

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 11:28 am

        Gosh, I never thought Yonah would appreciate that US wars are simply wars on the people of the countries we attack. Very good Yonah!

    • seafoid on November 8, 2014, 5:07 pm

      “Human rights advocates are not impressed by Israel’s efforts for to them, the war is bad and any effort is almost by definition less than optimal and these efforts compared to some unseen alternative ”

      What was the point of the last “war”, Yonah ?
      Was it to lose 57 soldiers ? What would you tell the families they died for>? Bibi’s strategic ineptitude? Some unseen higher motive?

      • wondering jew on November 8, 2014, 5:30 pm

        seafoid- I was opposed to the war, although if a mode of survival, as in an easing of the siege (first time products from gaza being sold in west bank and israel in 7 years, which means since hamas takeover, is a taste of what could be done) can be found, the violence can be explained as the means by which a modus operandi was found.

        (yes, in a better world it would not take a war to go from point A, the pre war siege, to point B, the modus operandi that i refer to. but in israel and maybe the region, there is very often a “need” for a war to precede a change in the status quo.)

      • just on November 8, 2014, 5:42 pm

        “but in israel and maybe the region, there is very often a “need” for a war to precede a change in the status quo.)”

        omg, yonah. that’s sick and twisted. NOTHING got better. Palestinians were slaughtered!!!

      • Horizontal on November 8, 2014, 8:12 pm

        yonah ~

        So you had to kill 500 children to ease a siege of your own doing?

        Please, tell me more . . .

      • just on November 8, 2014, 8:23 pm

        “I was opposed to the war”

        How and where did you protest and show your opposition, yonah?

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 11:32 am

        “the violence can be explained as the means by which a modus operandi was found.”

        And remember, the macher Yonah, a big tough guy, knows all about the uses of violence in achieving solutions! Yes, sir, Yonah will slap those Gazans into line.

        And Yonah knows all about Palestine, too. He spent a lot of time there, as a settler, although he sometimes went into Israel on the weekend. Ammunition runs, you know.

        Listen to the cheder boy talk about the uses of “the violence”.

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 11:39 am

        BTW, I ask that you notice something about Yonah’s comments. When he is writing something so ridiculous, so self-servingly tendentious as the comment above, even his own fingers won’t cooperate- his syntax and word use breaks down into a mess, so he himself, doesn’t have to face what he wants to say., by seeing it in direct and simple words and sentences.

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 11:49 am

        “the violence can be explained as the means by which a modus operandi was found.”

        No, Yonah, not a “modus operandi”, you dumb git. The Israelis have one hell of a “modus operandi” and may it friggin’ choke them.

        I do believe the expression you wanted, in a vain attempt to somehow appear knowledgeable, is “modus vivendi” I’m glad you didn’t use it, tho, it would have made your comment even more obscene then it is. A “modus operandi”, indeed!

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 12:05 pm

        “there is very often a “need” for a war to precede a change in the status quo.”

        Gosh, isn’t that what Hitler basically said about getting rid of the Jews in Europe? Why yes, it is! I’ll tell the Nazis to call you, Yonah, if they need any more clever rhetorical justifications.

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 12:08 pm

        “So you had to kill 500 children to ease a siege of your own doing?
        Please, tell me more . . .”

        Sure does seem like Yonah is not quite sure about who is besieging who!

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 12:10 pm

        ““I was opposed to the war”

        Any commenter’s comment file can be accessed by simply pressing their name above any comment. That includes you, Yonah.

      • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 5:55 pm

        Sure does seem like Yonah is not quite sure about who is besieging who!

        Well it is hard to tell with that big wall in the way. Anything could be happening out there.

    • Horizontal on November 8, 2014, 5:59 pm

      yonah ~

      Human rights advocates aren’t only against Israel’s efforts, but also their results.

      You think lobbing 1000 pound bombs in a densely populated urban setting is justified, just to try and eliminate one or two combatants who in all likelihood have already left the area? If so, you may have company, but it isn’t the kind of company that anyone in the civilized world wants any part of.

      No, what Israel is afraid of is losing IDF soldiers in great numbers, which it would do if it conducted operations which truly kept civilian deaths to a minimum. But losing soldiers in a war of choice has a steep political cost; whereas killing innocent Palestinians has no political cost at all. In fact, it has many political benefits in the political hothouse that is modern Israel.

      So the decision is made. Israel goes through the motions of being concerned with preventing civilian deaths, and then follows a war-making policy which guarantees civilian deaths in large numbers. But, hey, they’re all terrorists, right?

      Besides the obvious sadness of such a racist and corrupt policy, it’s sad that people like you like to pretend that we can’t see exactly what Israel is up to.

      And since you mentioned an alternative, how about this: go back to your 1948 borders, dismantle your damn colonies, and stop being such a boil on the world’s backside.

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 11:59 am

        “Besides the obvious sadness of such a racist and corrupt policy, it’s sad that people like you like to pretend that we can’t see exactly what Israel is up to.”

        How dare you! Your persiflage disparages Israel’s attempts at a “modus operandi”!
        After all, don’t “the Jews” have a right to a “modus operandi”, as they self-self-determine, (as long, of course, as it’s been “normalized”). That’s anti-Semantic!

      • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 6:04 pm


    • on November 9, 2014, 11:16 am

      What was it Israel did to minimize civilian casualties in Gaza? Not dropping a nuke on Gaza is about all I can come up with

      • lysias on November 9, 2014, 5:58 pm

        Given the prevailing winds in that part of the world, if the Israelis had dropped a nuke on Gaza, there would have been a lot of fallout falling on Israel.

      • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 6:01 pm

        The outrageous nature of Israel’s claims to attempt to minimize civilian casualties and the methods they tout for doing this is easily refuted by the fact that many of the children and families killed were specifically in the UN schools because they’d been instructed by Israel to vacate their homes.

        Israel attacked and killed them anyway.

  10. American on November 8, 2014, 4:15 pm

    Dempsey and some others I imagine are nervous about the US part in Israel’s Gaza slaughter.
    “IF’ the ICC were involved and ‘fully’ involved the ‘enabling’ by the US might be on the table also.
    Read the statutes carefully—those who assist or provide material support for war crimes are also guilty…that would be the US.

    • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 6:09 pm

      If the US cared about angering the ICC, it would be a first.

      They condemned our mining of the harbor in Nicaragua way back in the 80s and I believe the decision was roundly ignored by the Reagan Administration. Heck, over half of congress can’t seem to stand the UN, so I don’t think a negative decision by the ICC would cut much ice.

      We’re great at telling other countries how to behave when it suits us, though.

  11. jd65 on November 8, 2014, 4:55 pm

    The headline of this article (“Dempsey bucks Obama line by praising Israelis for Gaza tactics”) is nauseating. Someone (read: nearly the entire U.S. public…) relatively unfamiliar w/ the conflict and the U.S. lockstep support and aid of Israel, would read it and think Obama and our administration is “tough on Israel.” Sorry to not be a cheerleader here, but I see that headline as irresponsible. Approaching B.S. really. Sure, you can point to a couple things said here and there by a couple U.S. officials that seem to be harsh on Israel. But in the wider reality, Dempsey’s remarks here (unlike what this headline suggests) are not out of step w/ what this administration and current government says/does. I’d copy and paste a bunch of links into this comment showing officials making statements completely backing Israel during Protective Edge, but we all know that’d be easy to do, right? Won’t waste my time. Or maybe I’m just in a bad mood today?

    • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 11:31 am

      jd65, your comment made me remember a bizarre incident during the Gaza onslaught re Obama.

      This was right after the bombing of the UN school(s) and the number of innocent civilians that were being casually killed by the IDF was becoming embarrassingly apparent. Renewed funding for Israel was stalled on Capitol Hill, for once, as some key congressmen were appalled at the level of destruction. Obama was calling the slaughter for what it was and the entire Israeli PR offensive was going off the rails. A rare parting of the curtain.

      Then an extraordinary thing happened: Hamas “kidnapped” an Israeli soldier.

      First off, the terminology is completely wrong, like Hamas broke into the guy’s house while he was watching TV and spirited him away in the trunk of a car. No, he was armed, out on a battlefield, in the “enemy’s territory. The word should have been “captured,” but I never heard the Israeli choice of words challenged by either the White House or the media.

      Hamas was mystified and denied knowing anything about it. They then claimed that the soldier in question was dead, but who listens to Hamas?

      Here’s the important thing: Obama’s tone immediately changed, and all of a sudden the “kidnapping” of this soldier was suddenly an act equal in brutality to Israel’s bombing of children sheltering in UN schools, which was suddenly downgraded to “heartbreaking.” Obama went on TV demanding the “kidnapped” soldier’s release. Resistance on Capitol Hill melted, and extra funding for Iron Dome sailed through congress. It was a singular moment.

      Then, a short while later, Israel admitted that, gosh, the soldier had been killed on the battlefield all along. No explanation given for their previous false report. But the damage had been done.

      Now, I’m sorry for this long post, but I remember thinking, “You’re not supposed to actually see the manipulation working right in front of your eyes. It’s supposed to be invisible.” But I could actually see it working in real-time, and it was amazing in its audacity.

      Surely someone would mention this obvious and clumsy attempt to change the discourse, but everyone behaved as if it hadn’t just happened. Obama, our congress and our MSM all failed us.

      So while Obama was for a short time making some challenging remarks regarding Israeli violence, one yank on the leash quickly brought him back in line; your comment regarding the post’s title stands.

      Knowing all this is enough to put anyone in a bad mood.

      • Shingo on November 9, 2014, 2:49 pm

        Surely someone would mention this obvious and clumsy attempt to change the discourse, but everyone behaved as if it hadn’t just happened.

        That happens all the time and it’s key to helping Israel win the PR battle. Bait and switch.

        Going back to the invasion of Lebanon. Israeli apologists will argue that Israel responded up rocket attacks from the PLO and had no choice, which is complete BS.

        The PLO was sticking to the ceasefire which was driving the Israelis nuts. Then right on cure, the Israeli invasion was justified after the Israeli ambassador to London was shot by a member of Abu Nidal, who were not only an enemy of the PLO, but long suspected if bring double agents working for Israel.

        Begin blamed the PLO even though he was teminded that Nidal had nothing to fobeoty them. He dismissed it as irrelevant and that the PLO were to blame, so in Iseael went.

        Of course the PLO did eventually respond with rockets and now every Israeli supporter will industry’s was the the cause of the Israelininvasion all along.

        This happened in 2008, 2012 and 2014 when Bibi said he waffling to punish Hamas for the disappearance if the 3 boys. Prior to June 30, Hamas had not fired a rocket since 2012z. So he ordered the bombing of Gaza to which Hamas responded with rockets and the Israeli fiver meant switched their narrative up suddenly having no choice but to defend themselves against rockets – and the media gives them a free pass to get away with it.

        And now every Israeli apologist you speak to snorts Israel were doing nothing more than responding to barrages of rocket attacks.

      • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 6:21 pm

        You’re right, Shingo.

        This is an on-going, long-term way of doing business with these guys. The story I related stuck out only because I could see the play unfold right before my eyes over the period of only a few days. There was no he-said, she-said, or only learning about contrary information after the fact, or only getting the truth from alternative sources. I guess that’s why it stuck out for me.

        Yeah, the damned rockets — always good for justifying another war, no matter who launches them, or when. And our damn media and politicians all play right along.

  12. Mikesailor on November 8, 2014, 7:09 pm

    Sixty years ago, President Truman fired Douglas McArthur for disputing presidential policy. I would suggest that Obama, if he has any balls left, show Dempsey the same treatment. He should have the option of resigning as Joint Chief and from the service or being fired outright.

    • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 11:37 am

      I wouldn’t hold my breath.

      We haven’t had a democrat with Truman’s sand for quite some time, and Obama isn’t likely to suddenly find his spine his late in the game.

      But yes, he ought to deal with this challenge from the ranks.

  13. Bornajoo on November 9, 2014, 12:16 am

    Yonah please stop calling it a war. It was a one way military slaughter. If you don’t like that term then mass murder is also acceptable

    Maybe General Dempsey should read some Mark Steel. (this is from his blog while Operation Mass Murder was in full swing)

    “In recent years most of humanity has become proudly more tolerant of groups who once seemed to be on the margins of society. But until now it’s still been seen as acceptable to be offensive about one minority, which is the child murdering community.

    At last it seems the mood is changing, and finally we’re beginning to hear the child murderers’ point of view.

    For example one brave soul, prepared to speak out, is spokesman Uri Drome, who explained on Radio 4 yesterday that although the Israeli government bombed a school that several children died in, the deaths are clearly the fault of the people who live in the areas being bombed.

    What a refreshing change from that tired old thinking that always blames murder on the murderer.

    Mister Drome, once a spokesman for the Israeli government said the Israelis were “lured into a trap, now Hamas sheds crocodile tears about the dead.”

    If only more of us understood bombed schools in this way. We always rush to judge some poor kid in an American town who mows down his classmates, without even pausing to consider the dead kids probably tricked him into it, and now to make it worse their parents are all pretending to cry.

    Even more imaginative was Michael Oren, ex-Israeli ambassador In Washington, on Channel 4 News. He explained that Hamas was to blame for all this death, because “They are booby-trapping toasters and fridges in their houses.”

    It goes to show you should never make up your mind too quickly. Many of us see pictures of buildings reduced to rubble with a bomb sticking out, and hastily conclude the bomb had something to do with the explosion. But look carefully and it becomes obvious the cause was the silly sods have blown themselves up with an exploding toaster.

    I bet if we went back to Hiroshima and checked what happened more thoroughly, we’d discover the blast was nothing to do with an atom bomb, and was caused by a booby-trapped kettle.

    I hope consumer programmes in Gaza cover this issue, to warn people of the dangers. The Gaza edition of Watchdog this week should start “We’ve received several complaints from those of you who bought one of these toasters from Hamas, and were surprised when it caused your entire street to explode.”

    Benjamin Netanyahu spoke out for child murderers’ civil rights by informing us the Palestinians deliberately arrange the “telegenically dead” to be filmed, to attract sympathy. So it seems Hamas stroll round bomb sites, placing the prettiest corpses on view for film crews, otherwise we’d all think ‘it doesn’t matter that the Israelis killed that kid, he was an ugly little bastard anyway’.

    Other spokesman have repeated this line, and maybe soon they’ll take it to the next stage, claiming the Palestinians we see howling with anguish about their dead children have been trained at a special Hamas acting school. Directors yell ‘One more rehearsal everyone, now as soon as we’ve blown up our toaster we want all the cast kneeling and sobbing, give it everything loves, everything, then we’ll go for a take’.

    As the bombing continues I expect we’ll hear more reasons why the Palestinians are to blame for being bombed. An Israeli minister will say “These people in Gaza are always complaining that they live in a densely populated area, so we’re trying to help them out by reducing the population as much as we can to give them more space. But they’re STILL not happy. Some people are never satisfied.”

    The Israelis insist they give warnings before bombing somewhere, and in general we all forgive someone bombing a school as long as they let you know they’re doing it five minutes in advance. Given how crowded the area is, and the scale of the bombing, any warning might seem fairly useless unless it gives you instructions on how to fly or escape into another dimension like Doctor Who, but at least the intention is there.

    Now they’re calling up another 16,000 reservists, but if they don’t think they’re managing to do enough damage already, a better strategy might be to scrap their F16 bombers that clearly aren’t up to the job, and replace them with some booby-trapped toasters as apparently they’re far more effective.

    In less enlightened times, those responsible for such murder would be snarled at in the street and their pictures displayed on newspapers under inflammatory headlines. But thankfully we’re growing more liberal, and can only regret that more thought wasn’t given to treating murderers kindly in the past.

    Poor Fred West, for example, instead of barely being given a chance to make his case, could have sat in TV studios saying “Of course I regret the deaths of civilians. But you have to understand these people I murdered could be a bloody nuisance. I was lured into killing them, and I’m not even sure I did kill them until I’ve carried out my own investigation. Some of them kill themselves to get sympathy by booby-trapping their ironing boards you know.”

    As times change, maybe Netanyahu and his spokesmen will become even more forthright, and organise ‘Child Murderer Pride’ in which child murderers can get together for a procession and carnival, where they can at last feel safe, and no longer feel looked down on, for carrying out their basic human right to bomb a school to bits.

    • just on November 9, 2014, 11:35 am

      take care, friend.

      I know it’s difficult, but do take care, Bornajoo. You are much more than who you were designated to be.

      You are who you’ve chosen to become.

      • bintbiba on November 9, 2014, 12:56 pm

        Beautifully said, just! Great comforting words.!

      • seafoid on November 9, 2014, 1:24 pm

        You are too, Just !

      • just on November 9, 2014, 6:08 pm

        thank you, bintbiba and seafoid. it’s wonderful to know you.


    • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 11:43 am


      You’re taking Israel’s defenders to their (il)logical conclusion, and it’s a pretty dark place, aka a “tough neighborhood.”

    • bintbiba on November 9, 2014, 12:53 pm

      To bornajoo from a bornapali … I feel and share your anguish and dismay !
      I wish we could have a cup of tea sometime. Would love to meet you and exchange thoughts one to one. I’m no good in a group .

      • Bornajoo on November 9, 2014, 1:55 pm

        Hi bintbiba

        I love tea! I’m happy to meet up.

    • annie on November 9, 2014, 2:37 pm


      • bintbiba on November 9, 2014, 5:10 pm

        Bornajoo hi… I suggest you ask Annie Robbins to kindly give you my email address….I hope she doesn’t mind doing that. I would really like to meet up and chat .

      • Bornajoo on November 9, 2014, 5:25 pm

        Hi Annie

        I’m not sure how this works and hope it’s not too much trouble.

        If you read this can you please send me Bintbiba’s email address to my email address please.

        Many thanks

      • just on November 9, 2014, 5:54 pm

        this is how ‘peace’ happens…

        we regular folks have so much more in common than we have differences.

      • bintbiba on November 9, 2014, 6:00 pm

        Bornajoo , Annie Robbins can give you my email if and when you wish to make contact . I would love for my family to meet you too.

      • Bornajoo on November 9, 2014, 6:01 pm

        I’d love to and look forward to it!

  14. Citizen on November 9, 2014, 1:49 am

    Dempsey wrote his Master’s thesis on the Irish Literary Revival, and he proudly claims his Irish American heritage–so why does he have such a blind spot when it comes to the oppression saga of the Palestinian people? Has he been drinking from the same purification water as Samantha Power and Chuck Hagel?

    • bintbiba on November 9, 2014, 6:07 pm

      Bornajoo… sorry for the double message… I thought I had lost one , wrote another and 1st one popped up.

      • bintbiba on November 10, 2014, 3:48 pm

        Hi Bornajoo… Annie asks you to please send her your email address so she can pass it on to you. : [email protected]

        I hope you see this. Or I catch up with you on another page.

      • Bornajoo on November 10, 2014, 3:51 pm

        Seen it and doing it now! Thanks

  15. Cliff on November 9, 2014, 7:09 am

    yonah makes a good point re: the US military.

    The US military has caused wanton destruction all over the planet in all it’s wars. It will continue to do so.

    Israel and Zionism are a miniature version of the US and manifest destiny.

    • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 2:56 pm

      You’re right but I’d hope that the US would be trying to aspire to better things than emulating the self-justification of the Israelis.

      Another thing. I think that if the US Army was attacking a village and the levels of civilian deaths started to approach what we saw this summer in Gaza, that all of our good liberals in the congress would start to complain. At least I’d hope so. Of course, when it comes to Israel, they join in lockstep approval because to do otherwise is political suicide (actually, murder made to look like a suicide).

    • Citizen on November 9, 2014, 3:42 pm

      PBS had a one hour show today themed with how the US military and its personnel has been despised by the elite, ivy league class; noted 21% of US Congress served in military, the place to go if you’re hard up for a job or a stupid macho man–in 1968, it was 74%. More: Military leadership today think the civilian leaders don’t understand strategy but only tactics & so misuse the military regularly.

      • Horizontal on November 10, 2014, 9:15 am


        Back when there was a draft, I think there was more personal engagement with what wars the troops were asked to fight. If those wars seems unjustified, there were people in the streets. Now it’s all invisible.

        I get the feeling that we voters are also despised by the elite, ivy league class in congress. They seem to be more and more in their own little self-serving bubble.

    • just on November 9, 2014, 5:50 pm

      “Israel and Zionism are a miniature version of the US and manifest destiny. ”

      I do understand what you are trying to say here, but…

      Israel has undeclared, US provided nukes– there’s nothing “miniature” about them.

      • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 6:34 pm

        I thought they stole the nukes, originally. Or at least the triggering devices, the hardest part to make once you’ve got some refined uranium laying around. They probably got some help from a traitor bot or two, and then they smuggled the triggers out of the country in a briefcase or something.

        I remember seeing a book about it at the library but never did check it out. I guess I wasn’t up for one more finger in the eye from our “good friend” Israel. (Of course, it wasn’t an eye and it wasn’t a finger, but you get the picture.)

        Regardless, we should take them back then arrest everyone in Israel for accepting stolen property.

    • bintbiba on November 10, 2014, 3:49 pm

      Bornajoo… correction : so she can pass mine on to you.

  16. Donald on November 9, 2014, 8:51 am

    The US record on avoiding civilian casualties isn’t good–look at what happened in Fallujah in the two assaults there. (The party line on the second assault is that the civilians had all left, but this was untrue.) And I recently read Carlotta Gall’s book onthe war in Afghanistan–our behavior there is not that different from Israel’s occupation, except of course that we aren’t moving Americans into settlements.

    On the other hand, there are apparently some within the US military who do try to avoid civilian casualties, which is why some US military types anonymously criticized Israel’s tactics in Gaza. But overall, I don’t think either military is in much of a position to cast stones.

    • seafoid on November 9, 2014, 9:06 am

      The resort to mass civilian casualties is one of the main reasons US power in the ME is fading. They lost hearts and minds in Iraq and that’s why ISIS emerged.
      Israeli tactics are counterproductive in the long run.

      • Mooser on November 9, 2014, 12:34 pm

        That’s because the US military conducts our foreign policy.

      • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 2:57 pm

        I thought it was the oil companies.

    • Kay24 on November 11, 2014, 7:07 am

      Bush/Cheney/zionists fully knew what their shock and awe would result in, the massacre of thousands of Iraqi civilians. Fallujah was a disaster and a huge crime. Babies are born deformed and suffering from life threatening illnesses. We should be ashamed. Would they dare do this to a Western nation, or even Israel? Their disregard for Arab lives, using deadly weapons around civilians so carelessly, shows how ruthless their policies are. Gaza was yet another example of disregard for civilian casualties, not one word of remorse from the Israeli leaders, in fact there were some blood thirst leaders who urged their troops to bomb densely populated areas, wanting them all killed, or in concentration camps.
      Netanyahu becomes a hysterical woman when the Khameini calls for the annihilation of Israel, which usually ends up into nothing, but America conveniently overlooks the fact that despite Bibi not using that word specifically, his actions in Gaza was worse. Iran has until today not attacked Israel nor sent a precision bomb into Tel Aviv.

  17. biorabbi on November 9, 2014, 1:00 pm

    What you guys are missing is Obama is no longer ‘The one’ of ’08, but a lame-duck, Prez-not-so-cool-anymore, 2014 version. No one fears him… not the Israelis, not the Egyptians, certainly not the Iranians, nor our own military.

    What’s he going to do? demote Dempsey and have his popularity crater even more?

    Three words come to mind… worse than Carter.

    • annie on November 9, 2014, 2:28 pm

      i don’t know biorabbi, he dumped McChrystal fast enough. i don’t know if he will do anything about dempsy.

    • Shingo on November 9, 2014, 3:46 pm

      Why should the Iranians have feared Obama? They haven’t feared any US president.

      Even as a lame duc, Obama can withhold the veto at the UN, veto any bill in the Senate and make like life pretty troublesome for Israel.

      • a blah chick on November 9, 2014, 3:57 pm

        “Even as a lame duc..”

        If that’s a typo it’s still brilliant!

    • a blah chick on November 9, 2014, 3:59 pm

      Three more words…and he’s uppity.

    • just on November 9, 2014, 5:48 pm

      Yeah, biorabble.. Three words of a different sort come to my mind when it comes to you and Israel.

      “worse than Carter” ain’t them.

      So where is your passport from?

    • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 6:46 pm

      biorabbi ~

      So somehow you think Obama was once effective because he was feared? I don’t think you’re too well-versed on the recent American political scene. Or maybe any scene.

      When a president enters his lame-duck phase, it’s the one and only time he can forget about his popularity and concentrate on his legacy. I don’t believe that Obama with do anything to Dempsey, but not for the reason you state.

  18. ivri on November 9, 2014, 1:57 pm

    Welcome to the post-Obama era following the results of the recent Congress elections – in this case in its Israel dimension. Dempsey is the first salvo in the envisaged shift back to an unapologetic support of Israel -Gaza today and the West-Bank tomorrow. The political pendulum in Washington is moving back to where it was in Bush times – be it a Republican or a Democrat president (Hillary?) in the next election.

    • Horizontal on November 9, 2014, 3:04 pm

      In ivri’s little world, 98% congressional approval for murder and population cleansing along with all the money in the world to carry it off amounts to apologetic support for Israel.

      This is one sick meme.

      • ivri on November 10, 2014, 12:39 pm

        I wish you were capable of seeing matters not just from a single perspective. The way you characterized matters is not just one-sided but also extreme at it. You cannot expect serious decision makers in the American Administration not to see much broader pictures. Prominently, is the Arab or Palestinian really that harmless – innocent lambs treated by vicious monsters? Does the general historic picture as well as the broader regional scene, indeed the global one support such a proposition? I don`t think so.

      • annie on November 10, 2014, 3:51 pm

        since horizontal never proposed “Palestinian really that harmless – innocent lambs ” your questions are moot points.

      • Mooser on November 10, 2014, 4:48 pm

        “Does the general historic picture as well as the broader regional scene, indeed the global one support such a proposition?”

        No, absolutely not, but don’t let that bother you.

      • ivri on November 10, 2014, 5:14 pm

        Well, he didn`t say that explicitly but that`s what a reader would understand from the way he describes things (“murder and population cleansing”). While anybody is entitled to own point of view – expecting that people in the business of managing the globe will buy into such one-sided perspectives is moot too.

      • annie on November 11, 2014, 1:36 pm

        ivri, this is a forum with a variety of views so it really doesn’t bode well for your argument to be making the claim of what a reader would understand . and i hardly think it bodes well for your argument, about one sidedness, to have to morph his words into this claim about ‘harmless little lambs’ as if there is not an argument to be made that palestinians warriors are some of the bravest on the planet.

        if you think you’re so right about “general historic picture as well as the broader regional scene ” why not try making your argument against his based on what he said vs some personal claim about what others will read into it.

        and btw, i do think what is going on in washington amounts to “98% congressional approval for murder and population cleansing”

        lots of people think like that all over the world.

  19. Keith on November 9, 2014, 7:12 pm

    In a related topic, since the empire is attacking virtually every Middle East country that is allied with Russia, I think it highly beneficial to read a short analysis posted today by James Petras concerning Russian strategic vulnerability versus imperial geostrategy. In my opinion, Professor Petras’ analysis is quite accurate and a must read. A quote followed by a link.

    “In the face of Western sanctions Putin’s leading oligarch-allies are his weakest link in formulating an effective response. They press Putin to give in to Washington as they plead with Western banks to have their properties and accounts exempt from the sanctions. They are desperate to protect their assets in London and New York. In a word, they are desperate for President Putin to abandon the freedom fighters in southeast Ukraine and cut a deal with the Kiev junta.” (James Petras)

  20. Kay24 on November 10, 2014, 6:58 am

    Again, if this is true, Chickenshit must be fuming and fretting (deservedly so).

    “U.S., Iran holding secret talks to renew diplomatic ties, Times reports
    Renewal of ties is contingent on reaching a deal over Iran’s nuclear program, anonymous sources say; U.S. seeks to open a trade office in Teheran, report adds.
    Iranian and American officials have held secret talks to discuss renewing diplomatic relations if a deal is reached on Iran’s nuclear program and sanctions are lifted, the Times reported early on Monday.

    According to the report, the two nations are discussing the possibility of opening a U.S. trade office in Teheran. This would be the first American diplomatic mission in the Islamic republic since the U.S. embassy in Teheran was overrun in 1979 during the Islamic Revolution, leading to the hostage crisis that haunted Jimmy Carter’s presidency.

    The Times quotes anonymous Iranian government officials as saying that these talks are due to continue this week in Baku, Azerbaijan, where the Iranian delegation will be headed by Mohammad Reza Sabzalipour, head of Iran’s global trade bureau.

    The United States has denied that talks on renewing diplomatic relation between the two nations were taking place. the report says. Haaretz

  21. Talkback on November 10, 2014, 10:15 am

    Knowingly and intentionally using wide area affect ammunition like or used by tanks, artillery, rockets and bombs in dense populated areas which cannot differentiate between combatant and civilians is not preventing civilian casualties creating them.

    Dempsey is praising war crimes – this is blatant incitement.

    • just on November 10, 2014, 10:51 am

      thank you, Talkback.

      and anyone that supports his trash- talk is also guilty.

  22. ldq1997 on November 10, 2014, 11:23 am

    I just sent the President an email requesting that Dempsey be fired. I hope others will do so too so that he will be inundated with requests for Dempsey’s dismissal.

  23. German Lefty on November 10, 2014, 4:43 pm
  24. Teapot on November 11, 2014, 2:16 pm

    >> Ivri: While anybody is entitled to own point of view – expecting that people in the business of managing the globe will buy into such one-sided perspectives is moot too.

    Well, considering the massive hold AIPAC has over congress and other political entities, I’d say the people managing the globe can be bought into buying pretty much any perspective no matter how one-sided and wrong.

  25. dajson on September 30, 2015, 11:30 am

    I’m not being so hard on General Dempsey here. A couple of years ago after he went to Israel and told them that America did not want to be complicit in any actions against Iran there was an obvious assassination attempt on him in Afghanistan where captured Taliban attackers acknowledged that they had inside information on where and when the General’s helicopter would be there. There is a lot going on behind the scenes when it comes to extortion from the state of Israel.

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