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A federal lawsuit in Florida accuses Alan Dershowitz, the famed advocate for Israel, of sexually abusing a minor. Dershowitz has denied the charges and vowed to hit back.

The allegations come in a lawsuit by four women against the federal government for violating the rights of crime victims when it made a plea deal in 2008 with Jeffrey Epstein, the notorious financier, over allegations of sexual abuse of minors. Epstein ended up spending more than a year in prison.

The suit says that Dershowitz routinely had sexual relations with Epstein’s “sex slave” at a time when she was under 18 years old, and before she escaped Epstein. The JTA says that Dershowitz denies the charges:

Alan Dershowitz declared “totally, unequivocally and completely false” allegations that he enjoyed sexual services from a minor employed by a friend and client.

From the lawsuit. It states that Jane Doe #3 was held as a “sex slave” by Jeffrey Epstein between 1999 and 2002, when she was 15 to 18 years old. The sexual abuse took place in New York, Florida, Mexico, the US Virgin Islands, and on Epstein’s private planes. The allegation re Dershowitz:

Epstein also sexually trafficked the then-minor Jane Doe, making her available for sex to politically-connected and financially-powerful people. Epstein’s purposes in “lending” Jane Doe (along with other young girls) to such powerful people were to ingratiate himself with them for business, personal, political, and financial gain, as well as to obtain potential blackmail information. One such powerful individual that Epstein forced then-minor Jane Doe #3 to have sexual relations with was former Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, a close friend of Epstein’s and well-known criminal defense attorney. Epstein required Jane Doe #3 to have sexual relations with Dershowitz on numerous occasions while she was a minor, not only in Florida but also on private planes, in New York, New Mexico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. In addition to being a participant in the abuse of Jane Doe #3 and other minors, Deshowitz was an eye-witness to the sexual abuse of many other minors by Epstein and several of Epstein’s co-conspirators. Dershowitz would later play a significant role in negotiating the NPA on Epstein’s behalf. Indeed, Dershowitz helped negotiate an agreement that provided immunity from federal prosecution in the Southern District of Florida not only to Epstein, but also to “any potential co-conspirators of Epstein.” NPA at 5. Thus, Dershowitz helped negotiate an agreement with a provision that provided protection for himself against criminal prosecution in Florida for sexually abusing Jane Doe #3. Because this broad immunity would have been controversial if disclosed, Dershowitz (along with other members of Epstein’s defense team) and the Government tried to keep the immunity provision secret from all of Epstein’s victims and the general public, even though such secrecy violated the Crime Victims’ Rights Act.

The story is getting headlines because Epstein also allegedly made the slave available to Britain’s Prince Andrew. The Washington Post quotes Dershowitz’s furious denials. Dershowitz told Politico he’s planning on filing some charges of his own in response to the allegations:

“[I’m] planning to file disbarment charges against the two lawyers who signed this petition without even checking the manifests of airplanes or travel itineraries, et cetera,” he said. “I’m also challenging the young woman and the lawyers to level those charges against me outside of the courtroom, so that I can sue them for defamation…..Finally, I’m challenging the woman to file criminal charges against me because the filing of false criminal charges is a crime.”

In a related filing, a lawyer whom Epstein is suing has said that Dershowitz and Epstein were friends for many years and “Epstein donated $30 Million one year to the university at which Dershowitz teaches.”

Here is a copy of the full court motion:

Jane Doe #1 and Jane Doe #2 v. U.S. by torontostar

Thanks to Adam Horowitz

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  1. Whizdom on January 4, 2015, 5:58 pm

    Is it too soon to speculate who will play Dersh in the Movie? My vote would be Meryl Streep

  2. CloakAndDagger on January 4, 2015, 6:10 pm

    I very much hope (and believe) that the two lawyers did their homework and had their ducks lined up before filing in court. I am keeping my fingers crossed that they are not naive, and are in fact, fully cognizant of the fact that they have taken on some titans in the elite class. I am hoping that the 4 Jane Does are the tip of the iceberg, and they have either more witnesses, or ideally, a video clip or two. Now that would be amazing! Imagine watching Dersh on YouTube – Ugh! What am I saying!

    If they can hold on and not accept some out-of-court settlement, this could be huge. Otherwise, the waves will crash harmlessly on the cliffs.

    • JWalters on January 5, 2015, 5:54 pm

      It probably is the tip of the iceberg. An extended insider’s look at the use of sexual blackmail by the money-military complex is in this fascinating interview with Kay Griggs, ex-wife of a top level U.S. Army assassin –
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNitCNycKQ

      In the context of Griggs’ testimony, this story would be business as usual. The hidden chains of blackmail easily explain why prominent pubic people will go on the record denying the obvious and defending the indefensible. We seem to be having an epidemic of that. It could also explain the recent twin vetoes by governors Christie and Cuomo blocking reform of the Port Authority, passed unanimously by both New Jersey and New York state legislatures. Those could be to protect the gun smuggling operations by the New Jersey and Brooklyn mobs and the Israelis.

  3. eGuard on January 4, 2015, 6:14 pm

    Prince Andrew has returned early from his ski holiday in Switzerland to London. The Palace has denied the allegations twice now.

  4. Mooser on January 4, 2015, 6:24 pm

    Well, I went over to “Failed Messiah” read the articles, and the comments, and I’ve come to find out Dershowitz is a nudist? The phrase used was “nudist lifestyle” as in the guy was wondering why a guy, Dersh, with a “nudist Lifestyle” was honored by his Orthodox Congregation.

    • CloakAndDagger on January 4, 2015, 6:39 pm

      Frightening imagery!

      • Mooser on January 4, 2015, 7:00 pm

        I clicked back to Mondo immediately. Dershowitz playing shuffleboard in the altogether was not an image I was prepared to entertain.

      • CigarGod on January 4, 2015, 7:05 pm

        Did someone here mention he was caught chasing girls…while he was in the nude at college a few times.
        ?

    • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 7:57 am

      Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

  5. Whizdom on January 4, 2015, 6:29 pm

    I think there is too much at stake for too many powerful interests to expect anything but rich payout to the victims (and their lawyer).

    Everything about this stinks. Especially the NPA. Dersh thought he was being clever, but it turned out to be a massive “tell”.

    Epstein is likely insolvent, so the women’s lawyers are spooking deeper pockets to pony up the bucks, and make it all go away, in the courts at least. That’s all.

    Cassell and Edwards will ask for $100m a piece for each of the Jane Does, and settle for 20.

    Chump change in the scheme of things.

    • annie on January 4, 2015, 7:15 pm

      what’s npa stand for?

      • oldgeezer on January 4, 2015, 7:25 pm

        non prosecution agreement :)

      • Whizdom on January 4, 2015, 8:18 pm

        Sorry, NPA basically a clause that if Epstein abides by his Florida sentencing agreement, then the Feds agree not to prosecute anyone else for any accomplices to the crimes. As pointed out by others, highly unusual. Why would the feds give away immunity without getting something in return? In a state case?

        If we are to believe the stories, Epstein transported these women across state lines, it should have been a federal case.

        Also not clear if the immunity is general or specific, limited to the crime of prostitution for which he was convicted? Or immunity for any of the other related crimes, corruption of minors, trafficking, blackmail, kidnapping, extortion, rape?

      • annie on January 4, 2015, 8:55 pm

        i was just wondering what N-P-A stood for. assuming it’s an acronym. i tired googling it. no luck.

      • CigarGod on January 4, 2015, 8:58 pm

        Non Prosecution Agreement

  6. lysias on January 4, 2015, 6:57 pm

    Dershowitz may just have made himself vulnerable to prosecution, if the new Guardian article is to be believed. Palace takes unusual step to deny Prince Andrew underage sex claims:

    He [Dershowitz] said he did not believe the language in Epstein’s plea deal, barring criminal charges against “any potential co-conspirators”, would necessarily give him immunity from prosecution.

    However, in the event that the promise not to prosecute co-conspirators did apply to him, Dershowitz insisted he would “waive any possibly immunity” to clear his name.

    Of course, if he is acquitted, that only means the prosecution could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty. It would not prove that he is innocent.

    By the way, why isn’t Cosby saying anything about waiving the statute of limitations? It is an affirmative defense, which means that he can waive it.

    • CloakAndDagger on January 4, 2015, 7:15 pm

      He seems to be getting desperate making public statements like that. If later on, he rescinds this waiver of immunity, it is not going to look pretty.

      I wonder how long it will take to go to trial…

    • CloakAndDagger on January 4, 2015, 7:20 pm

      From the Guardian article:

      The Guardian understands the plea deal states: “If Epstein successfully fulfils all the terms of this agreement, the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein including but not limited to [four named individuals not including Prince Andrew or Dershowitz].”

      The “including but not limited to” part is tricky. That’s one hell of a get-out-of-jail-free-card! Is this usual?

      • Boomer on January 4, 2015, 8:38 pm

        re: “That’s one hell of a get-out-of-jail-free-card! Is this usual?”

        Well, I’m no lawyer, but I think that Obama’s DOJ has considerable experience with dealing out get-out-of-jail-free cards. Ask all the rich Wall Street executives who brought us the financial crisis and Great Recession, ask all the Bush administration officials who authorized torture, even torturing people to death, etc. Yes, quite a few of those cards have been handed out.

      • CloakAndDagger on January 4, 2015, 8:48 pm

        @ Boomer

        I can understand the get-out-of-jail-free-card for Epstein in the form of an NPA, but I am surprised that it would contain a blanket NPA for any co-conspirators, names or unnamed. Seems Epstein could sell that immunity to a whole bunch of friends and business partners with impunity.

  7. Mooser on January 4, 2015, 6:57 pm

    I did not know this, but the comments on Mr. Dershowitz’s imbroglio in Mr. Epstein’s seraglio have reached the two-page mark! There’s a page of “older comments” and “newer comments” with the link appearing at the lower left of the comment thread in blue. Seems to break around comment 400 or so.

    • a blah chick on January 4, 2015, 7:03 pm

      The imbroglio in the seraglio!

      Mooser, do not leave us again, ever.

      • CigarGod on January 4, 2015, 7:16 pm

        I laugh while riding rhonda…yeah, ralph died. I laugh in the truck. I laugh in line at the grocer, at happy hour…at the paper. Yep, even rhonda looks at me with one eye. And when i just say: it’s mooser…they all think im speaking in tongues or something.

      • Mooser on January 5, 2015, 11:37 am

        I can’t leave, my Mozart go-kart won’t start.

    • lysias on January 4, 2015, 7:04 pm

      First time I’ve seen that happen on MW.

      • CigarGod on January 4, 2015, 7:06 pm

        A perfect storm. All kinds of big people and big stuff converging on the same place.

    • CloakAndDagger on January 4, 2015, 7:06 pm

      Well, I am not surprised. This is going to be the hottest story of 2015 – and it is only January 4th!

      • amigo on January 4, 2015, 7:17 pm

        “Well, I am not surprised. This is going to be the hottest story of 2015 – and it is only January 4th!” CAD

        More like an early 4th of July.(Independence Day),Maybe.

  8. a blah chick on January 4, 2015, 7:41 pm

    I think so many have commented on this thread because for the first time in a long time one of the more viler and vociferous Zionist apologists is getting some payback.

    I look at it this way: if he’s guilty then he’s getting what he deserves outside of a prison cell.
    And if he’s innocent then he is experiencing some of the same “justice” he routinely dispenses towards Palestinians. He has advocated torture and collective punishment and this past summer cheered on the carnage in Gaza. Where is due process for Palestinians, Dersh?

    He’s getting the very least he deserves.

  9. NoMoreIsrael on January 4, 2015, 8:30 pm

    Doesn’t this crap ALWAYS happen when you’re trying to enjoy a ski vacation?

    • annie on January 4, 2015, 8:49 pm

      every time i go skiing my earlier acquaintances start leaking embarrassing quirks about my sex life.

      • Whizdom on January 4, 2015, 8:53 pm

        well, at least you don’t have to be summoned home and explain to your Mum how about why the newspapers are talking about your sex life?

      • CloakAndDagger on January 4, 2015, 8:58 pm

        Do tell! :-)

      • annie on January 4, 2015, 9:08 pm

        ; ) just kidding!

      • Mooser on January 5, 2015, 11:26 am

        “every time i go skiing my earlier acquaintances start leaking embarrassing quirks about my sex life.”

        Good. Maybe you’ll stay home and avoid breaking your body into little pieces in the snow. One big injury-factory is skiing. Unless, of course, you are talking cross country, a useful and invigorating activity, if you enjoy freezing your butt off.

    • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 8:07 am

      Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

  10. CloakAndDagger on January 4, 2015, 8:38 pm

    There is reason to suspect that videos and photos may emerge:

    Lawyers representing Roberts, originally referred to as Jane Doe 102, mentioned the hidden cameras in a 27-page filing at the Palm Beach Federal Courthouse in Florida.

    The six-year-old papers, seen by the Sunday People, state: “Some of the photographs in the defendant’s possession were taken with hidden cameras set up in [Epstein’s] home in Palm Beach.

    “On the Day of his arrest, police found two hidden cameras and photographs of ­underage girls on a computer in the defendant’s home.

    :
    :
    The US State Attorney’s office in Florida still has the vile haul of images from Epstein’s Palm Beach home, which were captured on devices hidden in walls inside guest bedrooms.

    This could be one of the reasons that the legal team is asking for discovery from the Epstein case as some of those confiscated videos may have clips of the Dersh in action. And, oh yeah, the prince guy too.

    http://govtslaves.info/prince-andrew-may-secretly-filmed-underage-girl-alleged-abused/

    The suspense is killing me!

    • Kay24 on January 4, 2015, 9:36 pm

      If there is such evidence then Dirty Dershowitch is sunk. No one can deny such damning evidence, although he may try to weasel his way out of it with some idiotic explanation.
      The zio brigade will help him get out of this one. After all he does their dirty work for them too.

  11. Whizdom on January 4, 2015, 8:51 pm

    Well, remember, this court action isn’t a criminal complaint against the Prince or Dersh for any criminal activity, despite the sensational allegations, it is part of a civil action effort to show the Jane Doe’s victim’s rights were improperly abridged by the state, by seeking disclosure of any depositions the Prince or Dersh may have made that supported the decision for the NPA, which effectively compromised the rights of the Jane Does.

    It is a form of greymail, using the threat of further, future embarrassing disclosures to force a settlement. Clever in its way. Dersh fucked up by jamming the NPA in the plea agreement, victim’s right’s law is a newish area, Dersh probably didn’t grasp the implications of the NPA for the rights of the victims. Unsurprising, really, the rights of victims is sort of a blind spot for the dude,. Cassels however, is an expert on victim’s rights law.

    Note to Andy’s mum, don’t even think of retaining Dersh to defend your son.

  12. a blah chick on January 4, 2015, 9:23 pm

    Haven’t these perverts learned yet not to film the “act”? Don’t they know that’s a sure way for it to end up on YouTube or a judge’s chambers?

    Idiot.

    • Whizdom on January 4, 2015, 10:56 pm

      documentation is a necessary element of blackmail. of course there were records.

    • CigarGod on January 4, 2015, 11:12 pm

      Have we heard anything about epsteins security detail, or techies?
      Who was in charge of all the recording equipment?

  13. lysias on January 4, 2015, 9:55 pm

    Daily Mail: Did legal deal protect the duke? Paedophile billionaire’s plea bargain halted police investigation:

    An ‘army of legal superstars’ persuaded prosecutors to sign a controversial agreement which may have given Prince Andrew protection from prosecution, it is claimed.

    Highly-paid lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein – some of whom had links to the White House – secured an extraordinary deal which guaranteed ‘potential co-conspirators’ would not face criminal charges relating to his activities.

    They had spent months delving into the private lives of state prosecutors to establish if they had any ‘personal peccadilloes’, in a desperate bid to defend Epstein against claims of abusing scores of under-age girls at his Florida mansion.

    RICO, by any chance? (Would mean treble damages for a plaintiff.)

    • Whizdom on January 4, 2015, 10:27 pm

      Civil RICO would be tough, and the Feds clearly don’t want to touch this rat’s nest as a criminal complaint, but, there may be cause for civil action. Mann act. TVPRA reauthorization 2003.

      18 U.S.C § 1591: Sex trafficking
      “whoever knowingly … recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides, or obtains by any means a person; or benefits, financially or by receiving anything of value, from participation in a venture … knowing that force, fraud, or coercion … will be used to cause the person to engage in a commercial sex act, or that the person has not attained the age of 18 years and will be caused to engage in a commercial sex act… .”

      RICO conspiracy under § 1962(d)
      a RICO conspiracy defendant need not himself commit or agree to commit predicate acts
      all that is necessary for such a conspiracy is that the conspirators share a common purpose
      if some conspirators agree to a plan in which some conspirators will commit crimes and others will provide support, the supporters are as guilty as the perpetrators.

      And I wonder if these children and women were paid under 1099s or had FICA withheld.

  14. RobertB on January 5, 2015, 12:03 am

    Its really possible…quite possible…that Ole Dersh is reading the comments/links on this very thread … and wondering when is this nightmare going to go away … to end???

    • Taxi on January 5, 2015, 2:56 am

      Let’s hope it turns out to be the most spectacular fall from grace since the orgiastic royal Queen Catherine the Great (1729 – 1796) was rumored to have died while fornicating with her horse.

      But the Dersh story would be the sleazier scandal and most certainly has not only legs, but many tentacles – considering the alluded presence of a ‘blackmail black-book’ with a long list of debauched powerful men, including the names of high level politicians both American and British.

      The potential is unbelievable!

      Let’s roll…..

    • talknic on January 5, 2015, 4:08 am

      @ RobertB Charming thought…

      Hello Mr Dershowitz,

      Your blatant and ridiculous lies on behalf of Israel are easily refuted and not the subject of a court case.

      This matter is though so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Unless of course doubt is finally removed through the legal process.

      Then you realize that tainted, you’ll be no use to the Zionist Colonizers. You’ll be stabbed in the back, thrown on the scrap heap, treated far worse that Messrs Edwards & Cassell are likely to treat you. I’d go as far as to say … be afraid!

      So good luck BTW with Bradley J. Edwards. I’m quite impressed. He’s a member of the American Association for Justice, the American Bar Association, the Broward County Justice Association, the Florida Justice Association, the National Crime Victims Bar Association and the The Florida Bar. https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradjedwards

      BTW Paul G. Cassell is a former federal judge. Say, you never made it to being a Federal Judge did you. Not because there were young skeletons in your closet, surely?!

  15. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:05 am

    Well waddayouknow, non-zionist American elites are now daring to confront American zionist elites.

    Sign ‘o the times, I tellzya!

    • eGuard on January 5, 2015, 4:11 am

      The non-zionist American elites are fighting back? — maybe it’s not not them. Epstein/Maxwell picked their victims from the poor side of town (“economically poor”). That’s not non-Zionist elite. The “Govt”, already very lenient in 2008, is still dragging their feet (see below).

      Saying that the Epstein Ring members are Zionists is OK with me (I agree with The Dersh in this :-) : to critique them = being anti-Israel. Not by logical connection, but by parallel facts).

      Reading tips: I found the formal Court Motion, above in this article, worth reading. No too much judictalk, and of course it is the core (eg, it says like “Govt, please give us the papers that show the exact involvement of Dersh in the NPA”. Also it opens with the remarks that the Govt was delaying -frustrating?- this step).
      Jane Doe #3 told her name & her story to the Mail on Sunday (UK), the second most important news story. (More about “elites”: dailybeast (2010, Govt favors for Epstein).

  16. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:14 am

    Alan Dershowitz story is now trending at number 3 on yahoonews
    https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Alan+Dershowitz&fr=fp-tts-901&woeid=1257184&fp=1&fr2=p:fp,m:tn,ct:all,pg:1,stl:crsl

    I expect alotta water-cooler chatter about this all week – maybe even longer.

    • Shingo on January 5, 2015, 4:23 am

      Alan Dershowitz story is now trending at number 3 on yahoonews .

      And Dershowitz’s inability to keep his mouth shut seems to be propelling the ratings.

      • Taxi on January 5, 2015, 4:28 am

        He’s freaking out especially that the girls’ lawyers are keeping their cards close to their chest – he doesn’t know what they have on him that has pushed the case back into the limelight.

        I wonder how things are at home with his wife?

      • Shingo on January 5, 2015, 4:34 am

        He’s freaking out especially that the girls’ lawyers are keeping their cards close to their chest – he doesn’t know what they have on him that has pushed the case back into the limelight.

        And being the narcissistic psychopath that he is, he seems to think that the more noise and attention he can create, the more sympathy and credibility he will win. It’s a slow motion train wreck so typical of a privileged Zionist who can’t get his way – just like Netanyahu who is throwing a tantrum over the ICC thing and demanding that Congress cut funding to the PA.

        I wonder how things are at home with his wife?

        Given his penchant for little girls, I doubt they even sleep in the same bed.

      • Taxi on January 5, 2015, 4:42 am

        Big question here is: will this scandal blow up so big that it flushes out the first batch of zionists from our Congress and from the UK Parliament?

        Cuz that would just be unbearably good news.

      • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 4:53 am

        That would be nice.
        Btw, woke up for bbc, and hard talk. Nothing..zip…zilch.

      • Shingo on January 5, 2015, 4:56 am

        Big question here is: will this scandal blow up so big that it flushes out the first batch of zionists from our Congress and from the UK Parliament?

        Like you, it would love nothing more, but the rabbit hole runs so deep that even if the first batch were to be outed, there would be another ready to take their place – complete with fanfare and of change and accountability.

        A bit like hope and change Obama.

        Sadly, I think the only way to render Congress irrelevant is for the US to collapse economically.

  17. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:18 am

    “Dershowitz: ‘I’m an Innocent Victim of an Extortion Conspiracy’ ”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/01/02/dershowitz-im-an-innocent-victim-of-an-extortion-conspiracy/?mod=smallbusiness%2F/

    • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 5:37 am

      Lovely picture at your link Taxi.
      http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-GG214_dersho_G_20150102152428.jpg

      This story looks like going somewhere. Paul Cassel has immaculate credentials. He does not seem the kind of fellow to make an allegation without watertight backup.
      Perhaps he is an upright chap who resents the disrepute brought to the Law by the likes of Dershowitz? There has to be a reason for including that name in the motion.

      This from Taxi’s link intrigues me:

      “Mr. Dershowitz said he would deny the claims in a sworn affidavit, “subjecting me to criminal prosecution if I’m lying.”……
      In a statement Friday, Mr. Cassell said the allegations in the motion were truthful, but declined to discuss what steps he and his co-counsel, Mr. Edwards, took to verify them.

      “We have been informed of Mr. Dershowitz’s threats based on the factual allegations we have made in our recent filing. We carefully investigate all of the allegations in our pleadings before presenting them,” he said.

      Mr. Cassell said that he looks forward to reading Mr. Dershowitz’s affidavit when it’s filed.”

      There are dates and times for verification (Dersh has already asserted he wasn’t there) and rumours of peekaboo film.
      Lets see if he does indeed swear an affidavit.

      Here’s a list of his more notorious clients:
      Harry Reems
      Sheldon Seigel
      Bernard Bergman
      Ricky Tison and Raymond Tison
      Claus von Bulow
      Leona Helmsley
      http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Dershowitz,+Alan+Morton
      Michael R. Milken
      Jonathan Pollard
      Mike Tyson
      OJ Simpson

      • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 9:15 am

        Fantastically appropriate Dershism in your link:

        “In poker it is impossible to bluff with all your cards showing. In law, it is difficult, but not impossible.”

        Another by his professor: I suggest you get a job where you can use your mouth instead of your brain.

  18. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:26 am

    Hey I just remembered how the Dersh fiercely defended Mike Tyson during his rape case too, even calling him a “victim” of the raped girl. Needless to say, Tyson was eventually convicted of rape.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1993/4/13/dershowitz-wages-media-war-for-tyson/

    Where’s SeanMcBride to make us a cogent list of all Dersh’s sleazeball client?

  19. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 4:15 am

    Every fiber in me tells me the Dersh is a pro bono mosad agent.

    • Kay24 on January 5, 2015, 7:29 am

      Possible, but he sure is a pro bono zionist agent here in the US. I hope his wife is giving him a hard time, although it will be nothing compared to the suffering of the Palestinians.

    • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 9:16 am

      You are not alone with that thought:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jj8qu3fT-A

      And of course, the Dersh proposes that torture should be legalized.
      Dersh apparently admitted in public that he is a member of the Mossad committee that approves whom to assassinate!

    • Walid on January 5, 2015, 11:29 am

      Great fibers, Taxi, seems they were sending you super correct signals according to C &D’s Infowars video above.

    • seanmcbride on January 5, 2015, 11:46 am

      Do Paul Cassell, Brad Edwards, Virginia Roberts and Jane Doe #3 now need to worry about becoming the target of Mossad black ops? Dershowitz has furiously threatened to utterly destroy them.

      • hophmi on January 5, 2015, 1:04 pm

        “Do Paul Cassell, Brad Edwards, Virginia Roberts and Jane Doe #3 now need to worry about becoming the target of Mossad black ops?”

        I don’t know. Do they? Does Sean McBride? Are the illuminati coming to get him? Find out on the next episode of Sean McBride’s Imaginary Friends and Enemies.

      • Mooser on January 5, 2015, 2:22 pm

        Hophmi, you finally find a guy at Mondo who believes as wholeheartedly as you do about the integration of Judaism, the Jewish people and Zionism as you do, and instead of hailing him as a true ally, you subject him to disparagement?
        Try and look past whatever clumsy locution Sean may adopt, he can’t help that. You and he are basically on the same wavelength, it seems to me, separated only by only by anti-semanticism.

      • hophmi on January 5, 2015, 2:25 pm

        Mooser, as with almost all of your droppings here, I really have no clue what you’re getting at.

      • Mooser on January 6, 2015, 4:08 pm

        “Mooser, as with almost all of your droppings here, I really have no clue what you’re getting at. “

        That was Hophmi on Jan. 5th. But a day later, Jan 6th, on the “Self-Determination” thread, Hophmi and Sean are hanging on each-others necks like long-lost brothers.

        Such nachos I get from it, with extra cheese.

  20. eGuard on January 5, 2015, 4:52 am

    More names.

    Conchita Sarnoff in The Daily Beast in 2010 did a good job: she described the Epstein case in a series (but without these new accusations re Dersh & Andrew). Plain and simple:

    But the question remains: Did Epstein’s wealth and social connections—former President Bill Clinton; Prince Andrew; former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak; New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson; and former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers were just a few of the prominent passengers on his private jets—allow him to receive only a slap on the wrist for crimes that carry a mandatory 20-year sentence? (there is the ‘former PM’ then, and the New Mexico connection)

    Unsung Ring hero: Jean Luc Brunel, “model recruiter” for agency “MC2”. Has office in Tel Aviv (I think it’s worth listing every Israel connection), NY, Miami.

    On the other hand, Epsteins housekeeper on his private VI island, Alfredo Rodriguez, was fired for calling the police (!). He took evidence with him (emails and paper, to sell to victims), and was jailed for “obstruction of official proceedings” (withholding proof), but of course the prosecutor did not want that proof to be known. Rodriguez served 18 months, five more that Epstein, and in a federal jail, not a VIP -jail like Epstein.

  21. Whizdom on January 5, 2015, 7:22 am

    While Addled Princes and Celebrity lawyers capture our attention, the thread at the heart of the scandal is the conduct of the US Attorney and the Justice department.

    Who was Attorney General at the time the plea was negotiated?

    Michael Mukasey.

  22. eGuard on January 5, 2015, 7:57 am

    The Epstein blackmail continues: The Guardian about the actual NPA:
    The Guardian understands the plea deal states: “If Epstein successfully fulfils all the terms of this agreement, the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein including but not limited to [four named individuals not including Prince Andrew or Dershowitz].”

    That is, if Epstein fails the terms of agreement *today* and does not behave as a Good Boy, the NPA is nullified and the others loose their immunity.

    So one of these days an Israeli PM (like Barak) calls Cameron in the UK and Clintons’s Residence in the US and asks: “If you don’t help Israel by attacking Iran, we cannot promise that Epstein keeps behaving Good And Silent”.

    • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 1:56 pm

      Reads like a work of shakespeare.

    • marc b. on January 5, 2015, 4:55 pm

      I still can’t get my head around this NPA thingamawhatsit. How do ‘you’ enter into an agreement with persons not present or knowingly represented during the negotiation of the agreement? (Yes, that’s short hand.) ‘No potential co-conspirators’. So this means if Hitler didn’t die in a bunker in Berlin and was on a plane with Epstein and a gaggle of 12 year old ‘models’, he’d have immunity. (Or, more realistically, this agreement could grant immunity to a person or persons with previous, serial histories of such activity.) fucking brilliant.

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 8:45 am

        How do ‘you’ enter into an agreement with persons not present or knowingly represented during the negotiation of the agreement?

        How do you legally declare corporations persons?

        How does the NAS ban Furbys?
        http://web.archive.org/web/20060826021319/http://www.cnn.com/US/9901/13/nsa.furby.ban.01/

        How do you ____?

        How do you ——?

        The list goes on and on.

        If you’re powerful enough and you’ve got enough people by the short hairs, you can do just about anything. It’s even more helpful if dissappearing and suiciding people i no big deal to you. Everything is just another tool in the tool box.

    • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 8:28 am

      Yup. That’s how it wirks.

  23. CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 9:02 am

    I was reading this article this article about the Dersh’s comments on the Amanda Knox case, and learned that he has a son! He has probably groomed him with his own value system, so even after he vanishes from the scene, his progeny will spring onto the stage to take his place.

    I am afraid that we will be subjected to another generation of Dershism!

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/alan-dershowitz-amanda-knox-murder-trial/2014/01/31/id/550244/

  24. CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 9:07 am

    For those who don’t remember this clip of Norm calling the Dersh out on plagiarism:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLU1VD6aSY4

  25. CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 9:14 am

    And lest we forget, just a few weeks ago the Dersh stepped forward to protect his fellow pedo:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/2014/12/roman-polanski-wants-rape-conviction-overturned

    The New York Times is reporting that lawyer Alan Dershowitz, famous for his work with Patty Hearst, Julian Assange, and O.J. Simpson, has filed a motion with the L.A. County Superior Court to bring closure to director Roman Polanski’s 36-year-old statutory-rape conviction. This motion comes on the heels of the U.S.’s unsuccessful extradition bid this October during Polanski’s visit to Poland. The director, who pleaded guilty to statutory rape in 1978 but fled the country before sentencing, hasn’t returned to the United States since. Dershowitz says it’s time to stop the chase.

    • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 9:22 am

      Why stop the chase? Roman is not near as old as those few remaining nazi’s. Im just using alan’s reasoning…

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 9:46 am

        Seems this is not the only association with cases related to child molestation. He was defending Paterno in the Sandusky Child molestation case.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/is-paterno-getting-a-bum-_b_1101933.html

      • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 9:52 am

        Holy @$#!
        I support an “adequate” defense for all…and the best guy one can afford. But, honestly…this is really testing me.

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 9:54 am

        Birds of a feather…

      • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 9:59 am

        These guys do have clubs/organizations….
        Someone posted a link to one here in the last couple days…of some guy jumping to his feet in their gathering…and cheering for underage stuff.

        Dersh does seem to be attracted to the topic. They cant all be innocent.

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 10:07 am

        Yep, he was also supportive of the ACLU on the NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) stance back in 2000.

        http://www.wnd.com/2000/09/4403/

        While debating this topic on CNBC’s “Rivera Live” earlier this week,
        renowned civil libertarian Alan Dershowitz, who supports the ACLU’s
        action on this issue, suggested that, in the future, America will
        understand why the ACLU took on this controversial case. He claimed
        that this case was similar to the ACLU taking on other contentious
        cases, such as the Nazis marching in Skokie, Ill.

        While I don’t disagree that controversial cases like this one need defense, but the propensity for being associated with cases of this nature is pause for thought, in my opinion.

        and here is another:

        http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/12/video-alan-dershowitz-attends-weberman-trial-in-preparation-for-lebovits-case-789.html

      • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 10:11 am

        Damn. This might get really big.
        Is he basically saying our civilization will evolve to accept that crap?

        Everything about this guy…reeks of decay.

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 10:15 am

        ‘Evolve’ may not be the right choice of verb. I am a huge proponent of free speech, but the fact NAMBLA can even be allowed to exist is disgusting. There has to be a line somewhere.

      • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 10:38 am

        Yep. I agree. I may not be able to defend my argument, but i can live with myself.

      • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 3:08 pm

        “Why stop the chase?”

        This seems to be the king-plank in the deck of Israeli Jurisprudence – “Look, we’ve gotten away with it so long we deserve to be let off”. It is applied to U.N. sanctions, land theft, ethnic cleansing, offences against Geneva accords etc in equal measure. In the end it comes down to an ideology that sanctions different classes of people, in short, exceptionalism.

    • Sibiriak on January 5, 2015, 10:00 am

      Dershowitz was asked why he was assisting Assange. He replied:

      “At the beginning of the 1970s, I was involved in the legal fight to defend the New York Times’ decision to publish the “Pentagon Papers,” which revealed previously undisclosed background information on the Vietnam War. Back then, we won a fight for the freedom of the print press. Now, the fight is for the Internet and digital information. Then, we were right. Now, we are right. Wikileaks has the right to publish the information it obtained.

      […] What is the fight about? It is about freedom of speech in the United States in the 21st century. Digital media have to be recognized as much as the traditional media. If Assange were convicted, the US government would be able to control information online, which would violate the First and the Fourth amendments [of the US Constitution]. It would be the legitimization of a judicial double standard: freedom of speech for the print press, but not for the online press.

      http://www.worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/alan-dershowitz-why-i-am-defending-julian-assange/c1s2528/#.VKqkBHsrB3I

      Regarding the Polanski case:

      The filing charged prosecutors with providing false information to support a recent attempt to have Mr. Polanski extradited from Poland. It also demanded a hearing aimed at closing his case, based partly on fresh testimony that a Superior Court judge, in 2009, had unethically prejudged issues related to Mr. Polanski’s prosecution, and had a secret plan to jail him at least briefly, even while limiting his actual sentence to time served.

      […]In his new legal effort, Mr. Dershowitz and Bart Dalton, who has been part of Mr. Polanski’s legal team in recent years, challenge the behavior of Judge Peter Espinoza, who oversaw Mr. Polanski’s case during a legal fight that erupted in late 2008. The dispute followed the release of a documentary film, “Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired,” which described unorthodox and perhaps illegal procedures in the earlier conduct of the case.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/us/dershowitz-seeks-to-bring-close-to-polanski-case.html

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 1:06 pm

        Note that Assange had nary a bad word to say about Israel.

  26. Qualtrough on January 5, 2015, 10:21 am

    According to one of the lawyers behind this case they tried to depose Dershowitz more than once:

    “We have also tried to depose Mr. Dershowitz on these subjects, although he has avoided those deposition requests,” their statement says. “Nevertheless, we would be pleased to consider any sworn testimony and documentary evidence Mr. Dershowitz would like to provide which he contends would refute any of our allegations.”

    Source: http://www.sltrib.com/news/2015720-155/utah-law-professor-claims-british-prince

  27. RobertB on January 5, 2015, 10:31 am

    “The lawsuit claims that Clinton was friends with an unnamed woman who ‘kept images of naked underage children on her computer, helped to recruit underage children for Epstein… and photographed underage females in sexually explicit poses’.

    While he cut off ties with Epstein, this woman’s abuses apparently did not end their relationship as she was reportedly one of the 400 guests at Chelsea Clinton’s 2010 wedding.

    Though the lawsuit may be bringing up sexual skeleton’s from Clinton’s past, he has added to the drama of late by posing for a photo with two known prostitutes at a fundraiser in Los Angeles last month.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584309/Bill-Clinton-identified-lawsuit-against-former-friend-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-regular-orgies-Caribbean-compound-former-president-visited-multiple-times.html

  28. just on January 5, 2015, 10:52 am
    • seanmcbride on January 5, 2015, 6:24 pm

      lysias,

      “Strange that the political journalists haven’t caught on to the political implications of this scandal yet. You’d think Republicans would be gleeful.”

      Dershowitz, Shmuely Boteach and others have framed this controversy to suggest that anything less than full-throated support for Dershowitz is a manifestation of Israel-hating and Jew-hating — vile antisemitism.

      Even though Republicans could use the Epstein scandal to gravely wound both Bill and Hillary Clinton, how many of them are willing to cross or be smeared by the Israel lobby?

      This is like accusing anyone who suspects there might be some truth in the accusations of Bill Cosby’s alleged victims of being vicious anti-black racists. (Has anyone done that? Would they stoop that low?)

    • seanmcbride on January 5, 2015, 6:28 pm

      lysias,

      But check out Drudge Report as of this evening. Matt Drudge so far has failed to mention the name of Alan Dershowitz (why, one is curious to ask?), but he is now screaming the headline:

      “BUBBA AND THE PALM BEACH PEDOPHILE
      CLINTON HAD 20 PHONE NUMBERS”

      http://drudgereport.com/

  29. just on January 5, 2015, 11:01 am

    (Funny, my comment disappeared.)

    Anyway, kudos on the article and comments!

    From Max B.’s twitter:

    “@RabbiShmuley likens child rape charges against Dershowitz to anti-Semitic blood libel, pleads 4 Jews to defend him”

    https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/552128456851738626

    The Observer article by the “Rabbi” is a scream. (so is the picture)

    • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 9:01 am

      The last time I saw choppers that looked that bad they were in the museum at Mt. Vernon.

  30. CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 11:35 am

    Here is the Dershbag supporting Israel’s war crimes and also saying that collective punishment of Palestine is okay. How dare Russia, UK, and France criticize Israel’s Human Rights violations when they were guilty themselves in the past!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmPqEdbE5Gs

  31. Walid on January 5, 2015, 11:37 am

    I counted about 82 comments posted here but the thread counter on top is showing 480 posts. Have all of those missing posts been deleted or is this a ruse by Phil to strike terror into the heart of the scumbag?

    • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 11:38 am

      Click on the “Older Coments” link at bottom left of page

      • Walid on January 5, 2015, 11:44 am

        Thanks C &D, that’s a new discovery for me.

  32. HarryLaw on January 5, 2015, 11:43 am

    40 women have been paid off, the question is what have this group around Epstein been up to in the 5 years he has been out of jail? Leopards do not change their spots, hope more women come forward. By the way I have nothing against the Royal Family, but £22,000 for a chalet for 1 week in Switzerland. Blimey

    • amigo on January 5, 2015, 1:22 pm

      “By the way I have nothing against the Royal Family, but £22,000 for a chalet for 1 week in Switzerland. Blimey”.Harry Law

      Israel,s Royal family goes one better .

      “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spent $127,000 of Israeli taxpayers’ money on a “resting chamber” that was especially constructed for him and his wife on their five-hour flight to London last month, Channel 10 reported on Friday. ” Harry Law.

      http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/netanyahu-spends-127-000-of-israeli-taxpayers-money-on-airplane-resting-chamber.premium-1.523441

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 1:24 pm

        Correction, that should have been spent $127,000 of US taxpayers’ money, ’cause that’s where it came from.

      • amigo on January 5, 2015, 2:12 pm

        You have a point there CAD.

        Too bad the American Taxpayer is so badly valued by their closest ally .

  33. lysias on January 5, 2015, 12:00 pm

    Harvard Crimson article Dershowitz Denies Allegations of Sexual Relations with Minor has an interesting comment:

    Epstein’s private jet-based romps had all the earmarks of a Mossad “Honey-trap” op. Israeli intelligence has a history of these. It is believed that the Gen. David Petraeus “affair” may have been an Israeli arm-flex to remind Hillary about all of Bill’s palling around with Epstein’s “ring”, to insure that she continue to toe the AIPAC line.

    • seanmcbride on January 5, 2015, 12:07 pm

      lysias,

      It would be difficult to believe that both Jeffrey Epstein and Alan Dershowitz aren’t both highly valued Mossad assets. They are passionate Zionists and very powerful on the American scene — precisely the kind of people that Mossad finds most useful to recruit for running black ops — including honey-traps.

      • hophmi on January 5, 2015, 1:02 pm

        “It would be difficult to believe that both Jeffrey Epstein and Alan Dershowitz aren’t both highly valued Mossad assets.”

        It would be difficult to believe that they were. Or that they weren’t. But let’s just make silly suggestions, since we have no responsibility here to support what we say with any actual facts. What is not difficult to believe is that Sean McBride is just blathering on and on about the conspiracies he’s cooking up in his head.

      • Mooser on January 5, 2015, 1:57 pm

        Sean and Hophmi, I don’t think you two should be snarling at each other. Your ideas, as I have seen them in this forum, are very close, and only semantic differences separate you.
        You could work well together if you would only get over your reflexive predilections.

        Sean’s got the problem all worked out, and Hophmi’s got the only possible humane and practicable solution all worked out, so c’mon people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another, right now!

        You two could be a hell of a team.

    • annie on January 5, 2015, 12:57 pm

      interesting lysias, except that i’m not sure it would hurt hillary’s campaign. didn’t it sort of boost her image before how steely she was during the monica thing. how much does it hurt the image of wife when the husband gets snarled? one thing tho, it won’t be ignored during the primaries…but for some sympathetic people it will work in her favor.

      • Kris on January 5, 2015, 3:12 pm

        The Monica thing, sure; Lewinski wasn’t underage. But even the stand-by-your-man people probably have a problem with the sexual exploitation of minors.

      • Abierno on January 5, 2015, 3:56 pm

        As more of this comes out, I would suspect this will sink Hillary’s presidential campaign. Bill’s alleged “peccadillos” in the company of Ron Burkle were problematic. Association with a confessed and convicted pedophile are a game changer: He is irrevocably tainted – Monica Lewinsky (wherein he was impeached by the house and retried and acquitted in the senate), his now defunct association with Ron Burkle, with attendant innuendo and now his alleged 2008 and prior association with Jeffrey Epstein. While Democrats may have sympathy for Hillary, William Clinton’s presence in the White House may simply be a reach too far, for the majority of family values Americans. For the sake of the country and the sake of the party, one would hope Hillary would withdraw, work with the Democratic Committee to identify other strong candidates, who, as did Obama, will include her in the cabinet.

        That said, inspection of time lines would suggest that the plea deal was worked out at a time when Alberto Gonzales was transitioning out of the DOJ and Michael Mukasey, dual citizen of the US and Israel, was transitioning in. Interesting information in concert with speculations by Sean McBride, Lysias and Philip Munger. Sexual abuse of minors is more usually prosecuted as a felony, not a misdemeanor – by convicting at the level of a misdemeanor, Mr. Epstein’s SEC licensures remain in place. Also, a free pass for all enablers, participants and associates is also highly unusual as been stated in multiple venues.

      • Taxi on January 5, 2015, 4:04 pm

        Bizarre sex story involving Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz and Bill Clinton may be true:

        http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/bizarre_sex_story_involving_prince_andrew_alan_derschowitz_and_bill_clinton_may_be_true.html

      • lysias on January 5, 2015, 4:09 pm

        Mukasey not just a dual citizen, but his job before becoming Attorney General was as a federal judge in the Southern District of New York, where he undoubtedly had dealings with the New York financial community.

        The unusual free pass for associates — especially the fact that it convers associates who are not named — may have been for the purpose of protecting Prince Andrew. Or that might at least have been the excuse given to any people in the government who doubted its wisdom.

      • hophmi on January 5, 2015, 4:14 pm

        Please substantiate your claim that Michael Mukasey has Israeli citizenship. I cannot find an authoritative source for that claim.

      • just on January 5, 2015, 4:15 pm

        What in the heck were these parents of the “underage girls” thinking/doing?

      • Mooser on January 5, 2015, 4:25 pm

        “What in the heck were these parents of the “underage girls” thinking/doing?”

        Unfortunately, not every girl has the protection and concern of parents, for many reasons. Protection against sexual exploitation is not a privilege afforded by middle-class parenting, it’s a basic right.

      • Abierno on January 5, 2015, 5:13 pm

        @hophmi Re your request for citation: If you search “Michael Mukasey and dual citizen US and Israel, there appear to be many citations. Your request for documentation is a good one and I hope this is helpful.

      • hophmi on January 5, 2015, 5:31 pm

        I don’t think it’s accurate. It’s certainly not in Mukasey’s Wikipedia biography. Again, I’m looking for an authoritative source, not some repeated claim.

    • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 1:52 pm

      How many days have we had this story? I’ve been happier than a dog rolling in a fresh cow plop.

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 1:55 pm

        Me too. This is the most number of comments that I have posted to MW on any one article – ever. It should be obvious that I am not a fan of the Dersh. In fact, it would be an understatement to say that I loathe and abhor the guy and hold him in utmost disdain. I hope that this is the day that he gets what has been coming to him for a long while.

        Karma is a b*tch.

      • annie on January 5, 2015, 2:00 pm

        LOL cigar god, you crack me up! hopefully there will be much more to come. nothing like a little schadenfreuden to excite the masses.

      • Mooser on January 5, 2015, 2:13 pm

        Well, forgive me for saying it, but this just may be where Dersh’s karma runs over his dogma!

        Oh, I guess you knew I would say that. Oh well. Sorry, I think I’m a little giddy. Probably lascivious predilections.

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 2:54 pm

        @ Mooser

        ROTFL!

      • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 3:11 pm

        I’m glad I’m not alone in my silliness.

      • Mooser on January 5, 2015, 4:10 pm

        “ROTFL”

        ROTFLMSJAO!

  34. seanmcbride on January 5, 2015, 12:03 pm

    How the American mainstream media have played this story so far: they have given maximum exposure to the denials of Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz without discussing and investigating all the relevant facts surrounding the case (especially concerning Jeffrey Epstein and his social circle). They are trying to spin the story.

    If the denials are in fact honest and truthful (and they may well be — I certainly don’t know one way or the other), you would think that vigorous investigative journalism would exonerate Andrew and Dershowitz.

    A key factor here: when Paul Cassell and Brad Edwards entered this fray, they probably didn’t appreciate that they were taking on the full might of the Israeli government and the Israel lobby. One can easily envision scenarios in which they are forced to back down.

    • hophmi on January 5, 2015, 1:00 pm

      They aren’t “taking on the Israeli lobby and the Israeli government.” It would be far, far more accurate to suggest that Dershowitz must fight not only the source of this unsubstantiated nonsense, but the anti-Israel and antisemitic communities that have obsessively spread this story on social media. Just look at the number of comments that this story has generated here, virtually all of the conspiract theorist variety, nearly all devoid of any real fact.

      • Mooser on January 5, 2015, 2:11 pm

        “and antisemitic communities”

        Oh yes, isn’t it nice, I mean, community and all, people you can count on. And always somebody in the community to join you in anti-Semitic activities! And you know who to trust with your kids. That’s the advantages of community Hophmi!

      • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 2:38 pm

        Oh come on Hoppy. Take your hand off the Anti-Semitic button. “communities that have obsessively spread this story on social media” are acting exactly as they do when any celebrity or powerful figure is suspected of impropriety or hypocrisy, no matter the faith or ethnicity.

        It is perfectly natural that this story will have legs in this community, Dershowitz has offended each and every one of us either directly or by implication. That we do not like this man‘s actions and are enjoying his discomfiture tells you absolutely nothing about our attitude to race or religion.
        When you begin to understand that your philo-Semitism is simply the mirror image of anti-semitism, equally egregious, you will be on the road to recovery and rejoining the community of man.

      • hophmi on January 5, 2015, 2:42 pm

        “communities that have obsessively spread this story on social media” are acting exactly as they do when any celebrity or powerful figure is suspected of impropriety or hypocrisy, no matter the faith or ethnicity.”

        The only community I see obsessively discussing this story in relation to Dershowitz is this one. The reason is pretty obvious.

        “Dershowitz has offended each and every one of us either directly or by implication.”

        So your response is to suggest that the guy’s a pedophile because someone with a history of making sensationalistic claims about celebrities said so in a court filing. Got it. Hey, chief, it’s your integrity. I thought the main thing here was to do something for the Palestinians, but I guess not.

      • eGuard on January 5, 2015, 3:05 pm

        unsubstantiated nonsense? Don’t know, grumpi. What I do know is that it was those Zionists withholding the story from us, from the courts and from the victims.

      • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 3:56 pm

        Who is anti-Semitic here Hoppy? Haaretz, Wikileaks or the State Dept?

        WikiLeaks: U.S. worried Israel becoming ‘the promised land’ for organized crime
        U.S. Embassy follows Israeli crime families closely and considers them a serious threat, cable shows.
        http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/wikileaks-u-s-worried-israel-becoming-the-promised-land-for-organized-crime-1.328480

      • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 6:01 pm

        “The only community I see obsessively discussing this story in relation to Dershowitz is this one – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/dershowitz-alleging-underage#sthash.LkCug2TH.dpuf

        “Alan Dershowitz story is now trending at number 3 on yahoonews” link to search.yahoo.com – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/dershowitz-alleging-underage#sthash.LkCug2TH.dpuf
        ….not to mention CNN, Today, The Daily Mail etc etc.

        “So your response is to suggest that the guy’s a pedophile”

        Find another bale of straw. Every comment here deals with the likelihood of a contingency and the ramifications should that contingency become fact.

        Seriously Hoppy, you don’t seem to be a zealot. Why don’t you come up with substantiated arguments rather than trying to weave them from gleanings? I for one am always ready to consider a well referenced case. You seem to share Alan’s proclivity for pyrrhic victories.

      • talknic on January 6, 2015, 5:57 am

        hophmi
        “The only community I see obsessively discussing this story in relation to Dershowitz is this one. “

        Might I suggest you open your other eye https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Dershowitz%20sexual%20relations

    • blendedpurple on January 5, 2015, 6:18 pm

      They knew what they were getting into, and in fact, they may be baiting Dershowitz.

  35. NoMoreIsrael on January 5, 2015, 12:47 pm

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/01/05/bts-newday-alan-dershowitz-prince-andrew-sex-scandal-allegations.cnn

    2: 17

    “I am signing a sworn affidavit categorically denying the truth.”

    Yuh. We believe you, Dersh, you ghoulish, yellow-fanged intestinal parasite.

    • seafoid on January 5, 2015, 2:27 pm

      intestinal parasites play a valuable role in nature, unlike the Dersh

  36. NoMoreIsrael on January 5, 2015, 1:05 pm
    • annie on January 5, 2015, 1:11 pm

      that first link is hysterical, how did i ever miss that?

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 9:39 am

        I spit out my coffee I laughed so hard.

    • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 1:17 pm

      Last year, Israel replaced its ambassador to Australia, Naftali Tamir, after he said Israel and Australia are “like sisters” because both are located in Asia and their peoples don’t have the Asian characteristics of “yellow skin and slanted eyes.”

      They exude racism in every possible way.

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 9:40 am

        “don’t have the Asian characteristics of “yellow skin and slanted eyes.”

        WTF?

    • seafoid on January 5, 2015, 2:39 pm

      “He was wearing sex bondage equipment, the media said. After he was untied, Raphael told police he was the ambassador of Israel, the reports said.”

      Quite

      • amigo on January 5, 2015, 2:46 pm

        “He was wearing sex bondage equipment, the media said.”seafoid.

        Blood libel by anti semites who only did this because he is Jewish.

        What happened to dicklomatic impunity.

  37. lysias on January 5, 2015, 2:14 pm

    Telegraph: Thatcher confidant raped boy and police covered crime up: Exclusive: Former Conservative minister Sir Peter Morrison allegedly lured 14-year-old to London and sexually abused him in a guesthouse reportedly used by a Westminster paedophile ring:

    One of Margaret Thatcher’s closest confidantes raped a teenage boy 30 years ago but escaped justice when Scotland Yard covered up the crime, it has been alleged.

    Police are investigating claims that Sir Peter Morrison lured the 14-year-old to London and sexually abused him in a guesthouse reportedly used by a Westminster paedophile ring.

    A former Conservative minister, Morrison was first exposed as a serial child abuser in 1998, three years after he died from a heart attack. But the MP for Chester was never charged with any crime during his lifetime.

  38. amigo on January 5, 2015, 2:40 pm

    I propose we refer to this story as “dershomaidengate”.

    Dersho and fellow travelers favourite song is probably , ” Thank heavens for little Girls”.

  39. John O on January 5, 2015, 2:52 pm

    A thought. Back in the good old days of the Cold War, both sides accumulated a small number of spies who could be traded in prisoner swaps. But what happens when a supposed ally spies on you? Pollard, for example. Israel, and its supporters, would like to get him out of jail, but (a) there’s no one to swap him with; (b) for the USA to release him would be a humiliation.

    So, if Dershowitz and/or Epstein are Mossad assets (as some posters here have suggested), what’s likely to happen?

  40. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:05 pm

    I just suddenly realized how much the Dersh looks like Woody Allen – lol doesn’t mean anything really, just saying.

    Here’s the big mouth on CNN:

    Alan Dershowitz denies underage sex:
    http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/01/05/bts-newday-alan-dershowitz-prince-andrew-sex-scandal-allegations.cnn

    *Note how he’s wearing his tie like he’s strangling himself on CNN. That’s an angry, angry man – pissed at himself for…???

    • CigarGod on January 5, 2015, 3:07 pm

      OMG…you’re right.
      Only a matter of time before someone puts Woody’s hair on him.

    • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 3:21 pm

      Freudian slip on CNN?

      “I am filing today a sworn affidavit denying categorically the truth”

      • just on January 5, 2015, 3:31 pm

        That is hilarious, Brewer!

      • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 3:43 pm

        Not only but also. From the interview:

        “The real villains are the lawyers Brad Epstein and Paul Cassel”

        – the name is Brad Edwards. Epstein is his procurer buddy.

        These slips enhance the body language enormously.

        I am thoroughly enjoying this. Please let it be that Tony Blair gets enmeshed in it too – he was in Epstein’s “black book” of contacts.

      • amigo on January 5, 2015, 4:32 pm

        “I am thoroughly enjoying this. Please let it be that Tony Blair gets enmeshed in it too – he was in Epstein’s “black book” of contacts. Brewer

        Yeah and lets hope it is not a dodgy dossier this time.It would be sublime to catch Tony piddle blair trying to cover up his weapon of Minor destruction.

      • eGuard on January 5, 2015, 4:34 pm

        For the record: That really is a Dershowitz quote.

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 4:35 pm

        “weapon of Minor destruction”

        LOL!

        People on this site are so funny!

      • blendedpurple on January 5, 2015, 6:20 pm

        It’s a meaningless affidavit unless done under the questioning of Cassell and Edwards.

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 10:24 am

        I thought the exact same thing.

        In the video the man is just wild, foaming at the mouth, spitting when he talks wild.
        He comes across as a complete lunatic.

        At a couple of points, his eyes popped open so wide that it was REALLY freaky. I asked myself where I’d seen those eyes before.

        Charles Manson is one of them.

        The other guy is Marshall Applewhite, the dude that led Heaven’s Gate – American UFO religious group where 39 of them died on bunk beds covered by the same purple capes wearing the same black sweat pants, and the same brand new black-and-white Nike Decades.
        Marshall Applewhite.jpg

        Then, there’s this guy:
        James+Holmes

        And this photoshopped kid:

        Adam Lanza

  41. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:19 pm

    The next exciting headline I wanna see is:

    The Mossad, Congressmen, and Underage Sex Clubs.

    • just on January 5, 2015, 3:40 pm

      lol. I think that we all know that pedophilia/sexual abuse/sex slavery & trafficking is pretty common among the rich, famous, powerful… it’s always revolting, but good to see it exposed~ better yet, to see it punished.

      I must say it’s wonderful to see you and others commenting with gusto and humor here, Taxi!

      • Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:47 pm

        Happy New Year, just!

      • just on January 5, 2015, 3:59 pm

        Same to you, Taxi!!

  42. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:30 pm

    Sex scandals in politics are like nature’s way of detoxing faults in the system.

    • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 10:28 am

      I’d say that, for the last… well, forever… there’s been a little too much scandalizing and not enough detoxifing.

  43. Kris on January 5, 2015, 3:39 pm

    A little OT, but there is a wonderful op-ed in the NYT by Dennis Ross today, “Stop Giving Palestinians a Pass.” http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/05/opinion/stop-giving-palestinians-a-pass.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Moth-Visible&module=inside-nyt-region&region=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region

    It’s wonderful because it is so starkly clueless that almost anyone (check out the comments!) can see that Israel has been running the U.S. show for decades. The blindfolds seem to be falling off, and people like “Chief Negotiator” Ross are just accelerating the process.

  44. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:42 pm

    The Dersh is EVERYWHERE today – tryna clear his dirty-old-man name. His PR exec must be on jittery overload – and his reproductive agent must be on lockdown.

    • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 3:45 pm

      His “reproductive agent” probably couldn’t be found with a button-hook right now!

      • Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:54 pm

        Funny you should say that, Brewer, cuz what’s happening to the Dersh right now is tantamount to a sudden boot-kick to the balls.

    • just on January 5, 2015, 3:51 pm

      The Dersh doth protest too much, methinks…

      Perhaps the first time that he doesn’t lurve the limelight.

      • Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:57 pm

        Bathos (noun): A sudden fall from the sublime to the ridiculous.

      • Taxi on January 5, 2015, 3:57 pm

        The Dersh is bathing in bathos.

  45. Whizdom on January 5, 2015, 3:55 pm

    Heh, Dersh is trying to change the conversation, making it about him and a sex allegation, trying to avoid any attention on the root of the case. How the heck did he get the DOJ to agree to the non prosecution agreement for named and unnamed co-conspirators? Who approved that, and why?

    As long as we are talking about a sex scandal, we aren’t talking about that. That’s what Dersh wants.

  46. Mooser on January 5, 2015, 4:18 pm

    I met a traveller from an antique land,
    Who said—“Two vast and Speedo-less legs of stone
    Stand in the desert. . . .
    My name is Dershowitz, King of Kinks;
    Look on my Quirks, ye Mighty, and despair!

  47. Brewer on January 5, 2015, 4:23 pm

    Seriously, watching his own performance on CNN must be excruciatingly painful for Alan, even if he is squeaky clean. His own self-image as a surgically precise advocate must be painfully hurt by these huge gaffes in front of (as my Dad would say) “God and everyone”.
    “Double spanking today please mistress and hold the mercy!”

    By maligning Paul Cassell he has upped the ante considerably. I believe Cassell possesses the goods and may well be waiting for the proper forum in which to lower the boom. If so, Dersh is courting disaster.

  48. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 4:40 pm

    Alan Dershowitz on woman’s underage sex claim: ‘I don’t even know who she is’:
    http://www.today.com/news/attorney-alan-dershowitz-womans-underage-sex-claim-i-dont-even-1D80401396

    Wow. Now he doesn’t even “know who she is”.

    Let the cornucopia of evidence spill forth….

    • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 4:56 pm

      “It’s the legal equivalent of scribbling something on a toilet stall and then running away.”

      Firsthand experience?

      • NoMoreIsrael on January 5, 2015, 7:32 pm

        “It’s the legal equivalent of scribbling something on a toilet stall and then running away.”

        Firsthand experience?

        Hahahahahaha! Oh man.

    • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 6:21 pm

      He’s on better form in the Today interview. The interviewer is also impressive. Is “Today” a reputable news source?

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 6:32 pm

        There are no reputable American news sources, their own claims notwithstanding.

  49. eGuard on January 5, 2015, 4:53 pm

    The pilot’s records (flights & passengers) of Epstein’s plane(s) are published through a court process. Are they on internet? (Could show Bill Clinton going to the island). Note that Dersh only points to “secret service” records to prove Clintons whereabouts. Don’t forget that the US Govt is the opposing party in this. Similar for the Palacial records in London. Sure no one will have deleted that meeting, how dare you thinking that.

    • lysias on January 5, 2015, 5:06 pm

      As though the Secret Service is incapable of lying to conceal something. Remember when Clinton flew from India to Pakistan? A double got on board Air Force One, while Clinton himself made the flight on a Learjet. One wonders how many times presidents have used doubles. According to Philip Nelson’s new book about LBJ, LBJ had a look-alike cousin who acted as his double.

  50. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 4:54 pm

    “Also on Monday, Dershowitz’s wife of 30 years, Carolyn, came to his defense and denied that they had ever met Roberts.

    ‘Anyone that knows us would find it laughable if it weren’t so serious,’ she told Inside Edition. ‘He is the least likely person in the entire world that this would be true of.’

    She said that they had been to Epstein’s island – but had no recollection of meeting the girl.

    ‘She’s totally unfamiliar to me,’ she said. ‘I was on that island with Alan. Our daughter was there. Our friends met us for dinner. We were together the whole time.’ ”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897222/I-don-t-know-Harvard-law-professor-named-alongside-Prince-Andrew-underage-sex-slave-insists-completely-absolutely-innocent.html

    • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 5:12 pm

      Denial by spouse is hardly surprising.

      “Hillary always denied Bill’s affairs in public, Smith wrote, and the couple even paid $100,000 to a private detective to dig up dirt on women Clinton got involved with that were likely to be trouble.”

      http://m.theepochtimes.com/n3/1078994-bill-clinton-hillary-clinton-are-swingers-bodyguard-says-couple-admitted-open-marriage/

    • eGuard on January 5, 2015, 5:18 pm

      Jee, scroll down in that dailymail link! That picture where Prince Andrew is seen leaving his ski cabana, Sunday, to speed back to London: those two cute girls watching him through the window.

      Isn’t there a single PR brain-cell in the Royal family?

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 5:46 pm

        They both look like teenagers.

      • eGuard on January 6, 2015, 8:19 am

        Cloak, that’s what I meant to say. No PR agent would have allowed a young woman within a mile of the Prince, these days. Let alone a photographer. Irrespective of who they are.

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 11:13 am

        GREAT catch!

        I COMPLETELY missed it.

        A google search came up with nothing on it. You may be the only two in the world who noticed it, otherwise I think it would be all over the place.

        Priceless irony that every hipster would love.

    • Kay24 on January 5, 2015, 9:26 pm

      Perhaps she was advised by many including lawyers to act the outraged wife against the world.

      It reminds me of a relative who was told her husband might be cheating on her, and she kept telling everyone that it could not be because “he works during the day, and is home in the evening”. Sheesh the naivety of some, or maybe denial.
      The Dersh-bag may be getting an earful at home, privately. I cherish that thought!

  51. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 5:04 pm

    Prince Andrew’s ‘sex slave’ Virginia Roberts ‘is writing a tell-all memoir about their alleged trysts at home of US billionaire Jeffrey Epstein’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897615/Prince-Andrew-s-sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-writing-tell-memoir.html

    “She also plans to name American politicians, business executives, foreign presidents and a well-known Prime Minister she claims Jeffrey Epstein forced her to sleep with.”

    • lysias on January 5, 2015, 5:09 pm

      Virginia Roberts better have good security, and she should stay off planes and be very careful when travelling by car.

    • lysias on January 5, 2015, 5:40 pm

      Daily Mail article says she’s been at work on the memoir for a year. Hopefully, there’s already a long draft manuscript in existence, and she’s given copies to her lawyers. Great insurance.

      Otherwise she’s given many people a motive for seeing to it that she does not live. I am now in the process of reading How They Murdered Princess Diana: The Shocking Truth by John Morgan.

    • seanmcbride on January 5, 2015, 6:49 pm

      Taxi,

      ‘The fact that never boasted or talked about it to any of us to my knowledge lends credibility to what she went through in my estimation,’ said Kate Kirton who formed a close friendship with Ms Roberts because each of their three children went to the same school and were the same ages – eight, six and three.

      ‘She was probably the most open, friendly person you could care to meet.

      ‘There is no way she could be regarded as a fantasist or anything like that. She was the kind of person who told things as they were – very ordinary, very likeable.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897615/Prince-Andrew-s-sex-slave-Virginia-Roberts-writing-tell-memoir.html

      and:

      “Until she and her husband Robert, who works on the fringe of the clothing industry, moved to Florida with their children more than a year ago, they lived in a bungalow-style home close the sea in New South Wales.”

      “That house is now occupied by Honor Symes , who told Mail Online today that she considers Miss Roberts as being a ‘totally believable’ mother who would have no cause to make up stories.”

      and:

      “There were also questions last night over the extraordinary legal deal that it is thought to have resulted in Prince Andrew – as well as other associates of Epstein – having immunity from any future prosecution.”

      “According to a former Florida state attorney, the controversial deal was struck amid an astonishing and aggressive campaign by Epstein’s lawyers to defend their client against claims of depraved activities.”

  52. Taxi on January 5, 2015, 5:10 pm

    Cash-strapped Fergie took £15,000 from paedophile billionaire at centre of claims Prince Andrew slept with under-age ‘sex slave’:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897086/Cash-strapped-Fergie-took-15-000-paedophile-billionaire-centre-claims-Prince-Andrew-slept-age-sex-slave.html

    Pictured for the first time since ‘sex slave’ scandal broke: Ghislaine Maxwell, the woman accused of ‘facilitating Prince Andrew’s acts of abuse’:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897753/Ghislaine-Maxwell-woman-accused-facilitating-Prince-Andrew-s-acts-abuse.html

    • seanmcbride on January 5, 2015, 6:33 pm

      Taxi,

      Notice the photo of Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts in this article — nothing suspicious happening there, no clues in the body language.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897753/Ghislaine-Maxwell-woman-accused-facilitating-Prince-Andrew-s-acts-abuse.html

      Point of interest: Prince Andrew hasn’t threatened, like Alan Dershowitz, to utterly crush Paul Cassell, Brad Edwards, Virginia Roberts and Jane Doe #3. No displays of moral outrage.

      • RoHa on January 6, 2015, 5:18 am

        Sir, princes do not threaten commoners. It would be demeaning to pay that sort of attention to the lower orders.
        In the days when princes carried their swords all the time, such matters were easily dealt with. Later, princes allowed a few loyal men to dispose of the most annoying upstarts. Usually there was a scuffle in a dark alley, and then the sound of something heavy being dropped into the Thames.
        These days drug overdoses or car accidents seem to be preferred.

  53. a blah chick on January 5, 2015, 5:37 pm

    Though I am enjoying the tawdry spectacle I do wonder if it might be in the Dersh’s interest to release a brief statement denying the charges & then maintain a regal silence. Running from studio to studio while talking smack just makes it look to me like he thinks he can bully his way out of anything.

    Not this time buddy.

  54. lysias on January 5, 2015, 5:51 pm

    Dersh is threatening to bring a defamation suit in the UK, where the law on such matters is notoriously pro-plaintiff: The Guardian: Lawyer for Prince Andrew’s friend criticises ‘rehashed’ claims :

    “The lawsuit will be for $100m, which is the value of my reputation and the future business that they have prevented me from achieving because of these false charges,” Dershowitz said. He added the defamation actions could be brought in multiple jurisdictions, including the UK.

    But would a UK court have jurisdiction over a court document filed in the U.S.?

    • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 6:18 pm

      I doubt a U.K. court would exercise jurisdiction in an action between Dershowitz and Cassell/Edwards. Dersh would have to sue one of the U.K. newspapers. Difficult to succeed if they have reported only what people have alleged accurately – if my recall of Torts (our legal system derives from and is very similar to the British) is reliable.

    • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 6:21 pm

      So far the Dersh has threatened, promised, bluffed, and blustered, peppered with denials and expressions of outrage. I will believe it when I see action.

  55. seanmcbride on January 5, 2015, 7:00 pm

    This is from Jewish Business News, a well-known antisemitic conspiracy rag (joking):

    “Does Hillary Clinton Have to Worry About Jeffrey Epstein?” http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2015/01/05/does-hillary-clinton-have-to-worry-about-jeffrey-epstein/

    “Epstein often had his girls shake hands with celebrities while the girls were in the nude and had surveillance cameras in the rooms, obviously to catch these men having sex with underage girls and then to blackmail them. When Virginia asked Epstein about his friendship with Clinton, he said, “He owes me some favors.””

  56. a blah chick on January 5, 2015, 7:03 pm

    “The lawsuit will be for $100m, which is the value of my reputation…”

    Bwahahahaha!

  57. Brewer on January 5, 2015, 7:05 pm

    Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, who is boldly hailed as “the most famous Rabbi in America, is calling on Jews to defend lawyer Alan Dershowitz against accusations that he sexually assaulted an underage girl……
    Shmuley asks, “Where are the Jewish leaders to rise to Dershowitz’s defense? He deserves our support. He deserves our solidarity. And he deserves our voice. ……
    “Well I’m not surprised that they would jump on these allegations with great glee,” Shmuley told The Mirror. “While no one knows whether these allegations are true or not — and I suspect they are not — he is a man of sterling reputation. …We need to show gratitude and solidarity.”
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/05/rabbi-shmuley-calls-all-jews-to-defend-alan-dershowitz/

    Hmmm. In my book the appropriate response would be to advise Jewish leaders to take no position until allegations are either substantiated or refuted.

    • NoMoreIsrael on January 5, 2015, 7:42 pm

      “While no one knows whether these allegations are true or not — and I suspect they are not — he is a man of sterling reputation ….”

      In other words, not even fellow Judeo-schistosome Shmucky Botox is prepared to buy Filthowitz’ fervent denials, taking a wait and see approach. I find that pretty devastating that one of his closest allies refuses to go out on a limb for him.

    • Whizdom on January 5, 2015, 8:00 pm

      That paragon of pastoral compassion and spiritual insight has not a single word for the victims of sexual abuse and human trafficking? Nothing condemning human trafficking of children?

      Come to think of it, has Dersh ever defended a sexual victim? Or an abused child? Or just (alleged and sometimes convicted ) perpetrators?

  58. NoMoreIsrael on January 5, 2015, 7:50 pm

    I CAN’T be the only one here waiting for the ‘Monica’s Sex Dress’ moment, can I?

    • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 9:39 pm

      Nope – I am waiting for the videos and photos to be revealed as well – as I am sure we all are.

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 11:43 am

        Me, too.

  59. NoMoreIsrael on January 5, 2015, 7:58 pm

    Breaking:

    3. The allegations against Dershowitz are direct and specific.

    The CVRA suit claims that Epstein “trafficked Jane Doe #3 for sexual purposes to many other powerful men, including numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known Prime Minister, and other world leaders,” but few are identified in last week’s motion. Dershowitz is. Only Prince Andrew, heiress Ghislaine Maxwell, and modeling agent Jean Luc Bunel are also called out by name. Roberts claims that Epstein used Maxwell and Bunel to recruit his young victims. If counsel for the CVRA plaintiffs chose to single out only those individuals against whom they had the strongest evidence, Dershowitz may be in trouble.

    http://abovethelaw.com/2015/01/a-second-look-at-the-allegations-against-alan-dershowitz/

  60. W.Jones on January 5, 2015, 8:02 pm

    Has this article comment section been hacked? I remember posting at least three comments here which have since vanished. The section page on Mondoweiss says this has 601 comments, which is far far more than any normal MW article, which would otherwise generate 50-150 comments.

    • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 9:37 pm

      No hacking evident. There are currently 610 comments to this article and this is a very popular topic – far more than normal for obvious reasons. Use the “Previous Comments” link at the bottom left of this page to find your previous postings.

      • W.Jones on January 6, 2015, 3:35 am

        Cloak,
        Wow, you are right. We are now at 691 comments. This article just missed the MW list of most popular articles for the year.

    • Mooser on January 5, 2015, 10:08 pm

      I thought the sheer number of comments had ‘broken’ the system, too, for a while.

  61. CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 9:11 pm

    The lawyers are calling Dersh’s bluff. The following was sent out on January 3, 2015 to Dersh on behalf of the two lawyers:

    Dear Mr. Dershowitz:

    Statements attributed to you in the public media express a willingness, indeed a strong desire, to submit to questioning under oath regarding your alleged knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein’s extensive abuse of underage females as well as your alleged personal participation in those activities. As I am sure you will recall, our efforts to arrange such a deposition previously were unsuccessful, so we welcome your change of heart. Perhaps a convenient time would be in connection with your scheduled appearance in Miami on January 19. I assume a subpoena will not be necessary since the deposition will be taken pursuant to your request, but please let us know promptly if that assumption is inaccurate. Also, note that the deposition will be video recorded.

    Kindly bring with you all documentary and electronic evidence which you believe tends to refute the factual allegations made concerning you in the recent CVRA proceeding as well as passport pages reflecting your travels during the past ten years and copies of all photographs taken while you were a traveling companion or house guest of Jeffrey Epstein’s.

    Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.

    Sincerely,

    Jack Scarola

    http://www.businessinsider.com/how-alan-dershowitz-got-involved-in-jeffrey-epstein-case-2015-1

    • a blah chick on January 5, 2015, 9:45 pm

      “Statements attributed to you in the public media express a willingness, indeed a strong desire, to submit to questioning under oath regarding your alleged knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein’s extensive abuse of underage females as well as your alleged personal participation in those activities. As I am sure you will recall, our efforts to arrange such a deposition previously were unsuccessful, so we welcome your change of heart.”

      Bwahahahaha!

    • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 9:47 pm

      That businessinsider.com article gives me more confidence that Cassells/Edwards are deliberately enticing Dershowitz because they have him bang to rights.

      Considering the pictures of Dersh, do you guys have the expression “possum in the headlights”?

      • CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 9:49 pm

        Let’s see if Dersh demands a discovery of their evidence. Some videos may be forthcoming.

        Something similar, we say “deer in the headlights”.

      • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 11:39 pm

        “Give him enough rope” is also buzzing round my addled brain along with “haven’t laughed so much since aunt Mabel caught her left tit in the mangle”.
        Delicious.

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 11:44 am

        In the US, it’s “deer in the headlights” but, in this context, that’s an insult to the deer.

    • Sibiriak on January 5, 2015, 10:05 pm

      “Dear Mr. Dershowitz: Statements attributed to you in the public media express a willingness, indeed a strong desire, to submit to questioning under oath regarding your alleged knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein’s extensive abuse of underage females as well as your alleged personal participation in those activities
      —————

      Would it even be legal for Dershowitz to answer questions about Epstein given their lawyer-client relationship? In the interview I listened to, Dershowitz specifically mentioned that restriction, and he offered only to answer questions about his own personal life and conduct.

      Exactly where are these supposed statements by Dershowitz expressing a willingness to submit to questioning about Epstein?

      • oldgeezer on January 6, 2015, 1:36 am

        “Would it even be legal for Dershowitz to answer questions about Epstein given their lawyer-client relationship?”

        Yes it would … Any interaction between them not in the process of lawyer client relations are not covered by such privilege. I go to you for advice, privilege invoked. I ask you over for a social outing whether it a bbq or an orgy with underage children no such privilege.

        There would be a huge difficulty in determining whether such privilege was in effect if douchedersh claimed he was only at the function in order to provide advice to his client as to it’s legality.

        If however it can be shown that he was present while the function was taking place I would think he is no longer acting as a lawyer but as an accessory to the crime at least if not a participant.

    • CigarGod on January 6, 2015, 2:11 am

      Cassell and team are real cool customers.

    • blendedpurple on January 6, 2015, 3:26 am

      Cassell’s credentials are so good, I have to assume he has strong evidence.

  62. ckg on January 5, 2015, 10:02 pm

    The Dersh’s attempt at humor is cringe-worthy:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=fCsF0xMiwc4

  63. CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 10:15 pm

    He is throwing everything and the kitchen sink, and playing the anti-semitic card too for good measure (or by force of habit):

    The pro-Israel Dershowitz said the allegations have also led to anti-Semitic backlash. He received an email saying, “See Jews have always been in charge of the sex trade,” the Jerusalem Post reported.

    “The anti-Semites are crawling out from under their rocks, they are loving this,” he told the newspaper. “And the anti-Israel zealots are loving this. I’m not only defending myself here but I am defending other values as well. I am defending the values that I have represented and stood for, for so many years.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dershowitz-denies-sex-underage-girl-article-1.2066011

    I would be lying if I didn’t admit that I was loving it, although I am neither anti-semitic, nor anti-Israel.

  64. NoMoreIsrael on January 5, 2015, 10:27 pm

    In new developments, Carolyn Dershowitz offered a spirited defense, sharply denying scandalous allegations: “The idea that Jeffrey Epstein could pay a woman, a man, a Welch Corgi or a sea cucumber to have sex with my husband is ludicrous,” she declared. “He’s a billionaire, not a trillionaire.”

    • a blah chick on January 5, 2015, 11:19 pm

      “The idea that Jeffrey Epstein could pay a woman, a man, a Welch Corgi or a sea cucumber to have sex with my husband is ludicrous,”

      Bwahahaha!

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 11:53 am

        +1

    • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 11:28 pm

      Awww cmon. I know a sea cucumber who’s not too fussy. Said she’d do Alan for a few grand, sight unseen.

    • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 12:12 pm

      Queen Elizabeth has owned 30 Corgis since she became Queen in 1952. Rumor has it that the excessive number is due to some having been procured for ______.

      The Queen’s Corgis

  65. CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 10:28 pm

    The Dersh has been flapping his jaw all day. It is only a matter of time before he swallows his feet:

    During a media tour Monday, Dershowitz dared the woman to speak about the allegations publicly so he could file a defamation against her and offered to waive the criminal statute of limitations.

    “Remember that this woman—who I haven’t identified, you have—is a prostitute. She is a liar. She has charged Bill Clinton with having sex with her on the island, when Secret Service records will obviously show he was never on the island. She claimed to meet the Queen. Buckingham records will show that isn’t true,” Dershowitz said. “How does a lawyer rely on the statement of a woman who is a serial perjurer, serial liar, serial prostitute, and bring charges against somebody with an unscathed reputation like me without even checking?”

    http://gawker.com/alan-dershowitz-denies-underage-sex-allegations-by-ser-1677653280

    • Brewer on January 5, 2015, 10:41 pm

      “She claimed to meet the Queen.”
      She did not. Her father suggested she might have and has since retracted.
      “Serial prostitute” reflects rather badly on Dersh’s procurer buddy does it not? How long has Dersh known she is a serial pro?
      Come to think of it, I’d suggest he has already swallowed his feet with this blast. Does it not confirm all of the allegations about the goings among Epstein’s distinguished guests?

      There is a circularity of argument to the accusations of lying and perjury – “She is a liar because I am innocent” ….”I am innocent because she is a liar”.

      • DaveS on January 5, 2015, 10:48 pm

        Also, Dersh claims: “She has charged Bill Clinton with having sex with her on the island, when Secret Service records will obviously show he was never on the island.” Aren’t both of those statements false? She has claimed she saw Clinton on the island, not that they had sex. And I have seen multiple reports that Clinton was on the island – has anyone denied that? And how would Dersh know what the Secret Service records would reveal?

      • blendedpurple on January 6, 2015, 3:41 am

        She never claimed to have sex with Bill Clinton.

        Dershowitz is trying this in public, as is his m.o.

      • eGuard on January 6, 2015, 7:59 am

        And how would Dersh know what the Secret Service records would reveal?
        – because they can be cooked by the Govt. The same Govt that Dersh is standing with, by NPA and other interests, against the victims. The Govt does not want Clinton exposed either. (That’s the US Govt. The Israeli Govt has a different position).

        There are also flight recordings by pilots/aircraft record. I read they were published in another court case. But Dersh keep s repeating this SecServ quote quite often.

  66. Whizdom on January 5, 2015, 10:39 pm

    Here is a filing Edwards made in response to Epstein’s suit against Edwards. Appalling reading.

    http://cases.bms11.com/Documents/FL76/09-34791/ECF_DOC_1603_10567451.pdf

    • annie on January 5, 2015, 10:53 pm

      oh my

      S.G. admitted seeing
      Jeffrey Epstein’s penis and stated she thought Epstein was on steroids because he was a “really built
      guy and his wee wee was very tiny.” Id. at 15.

      • Kay24 on January 5, 2015, 11:42 pm

        OUCH! That is going to hurt him MORE than the accusations…..a real insult. Heh.

        As for Dirty Dersh, he behaves like he IS a tiny one. :))

    • annie on January 5, 2015, 10:53 pm

      oh my

      S.G. admitted seeing Jeffrey Epstein’s penis and stated she thought Epstein was on steroids because he was a “really built guy and his wee wee was very tiny.” Id. at 15.

    • NoMoreIsrael on January 5, 2015, 11:11 pm

      So um…sounds like they’ve actually GOT him on the pilot’s flight logs on a plane he claims never to have been on and the housekeeper puts him at the house (sans family) while the abuse was taking place.

      He’s cooked. He’ll be lucky to get a bus boy job at the TGI Fridays in downtown Sderot.

      My question for the Mondoweiss legal dream team is the following: our loudmouthed friend has publicly declared to the press that he will wave the statute of limitations on rape charges just to clear his name. If it turns out they have an ironclad case against him, can they use that statement to put him away? Would it hold up in court?

      • a blah chick on January 6, 2015, 10:49 am

        “He’s cooked. He’ll be lucky to get a bus boy job at the TGI Fridays in downtown Sderot.”

        Oh, come now, I’m sure that Sheldon can get him a job as a greeter on one of his cruise ships. He could offer free legal advice!

        ” he will wave the statute of limitations on rape charges just to clear his name. If it turns out they have an ironclad case against him, can they use that statement to put him away? Would it hold up in court?”

        I’ve never studied law but I don’t think you can “waive” a thing like that. But let’s see what the Mondo lawyers think.

      • Shingo on January 6, 2015, 5:06 pm

        He’s cooked. He’ll be lucky to get a bus boy job at the TGI Fridays in downtown Sderot.

        Nah, Israel will probably make him he ambassador to the US or UN.

  67. CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 11:27 pm

    From Utah:

    “Totally false and made up,” he said emphatically. “I’ve never seen her. I’ve never met her. I don’t know who she is. And her lawyers have to know this. Her lawyers, Paul Cassell, a former federal judge, and Brad Edwards, deliberately and willfully filed this inter-pleading which they knew I had no opportunity to respond to in court without doing any investigation.

    “If they simply investigated the manifests of the airplanes, if they had checked my travel records, if they had asked me and I could have given them the names of these people who were witnesses, they would know the story is totally, completely false.”
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    :
    The woman has said she wants a full investigation, I welcome a full investigation. I’m not trying to silence her. I’ve challenged her to repeat the statement to the press so that I can sue for defamation. She has repeated the statements about the prince. She has studiously refused to produce the statements about me. I have challenged her to file rape criminal charges against me because if she does she exposes herself to criminal prosecution,” he said.

    “I have challenged the lawyers to repeat these statements in public so there can be a defamation hearing. They want to just throw the stink bomb and then avoid any responsibility. They will not get away with this. … The truth will come out and it will show these two unethical lawyers should be disbarred. I am completely, absolutely innocent of any and all charges,” Dershowitz said.

    Because Dershowitz was not named directly as a party in any criminal or civil suit, he said he was not given a chance to defend himself.

    http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=32992761

    • lysias on January 6, 2015, 10:22 am

      So why didn’t Dersh agree to be deposed? And why doesn’t he agree to do so now?

  68. a blah chick on January 5, 2015, 11:31 pm

    “And the anti-Israel zealots are loving this. I’m not only defending myself here but I am defending other values as well.”

    My, my, don’t we have a high opinion of ourself?

    Don’t worry, Dersh, if you end up being taken out by this there are plenty of Zionist shills who can take your place, and some will do it without the smarmy self righteous attitude.

    You are not that valuable to the cause.

  69. Whizdom on January 5, 2015, 11:31 pm

    The filing also states that Ghislaine was photographed at Chelsea’s wedding, while she was ducking a deposition in Edward’s case, her lawyer said she had to go to UK to visit dying parent.
    That may lead to some uncomfortable questions, HRC needs to get out in front of this and make a strong statement against sexual abuse of minors and put some distance from her and Dershowitz.

    Even Donald Trump thought Epstein was too radioactive to associate with.

    The victims seem to have a case against the Justice department.

    This article states Edwards is representing the victims pro bono.

    http://abovethelaw.com/2015/01/a-second-look-at-the-allegations-against-alan-dershowitz/

  70. CloakAndDagger on January 5, 2015, 11:37 pm

    How Seriously Should We Take The Accusations?
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    So, how cynical should we be about the allegations against Dershowitz? Should commentators start riffing on the idea that this is yet another instance of a woman emerging years after the fact with an inflammatory accusation motivated by greed or bitterness? Not necessarily. There are a few reasons to think that this is not the sort of sex crime claim conservative pundits (myself included) warned you about.

    1. The people who made the allegations public appear credible.

    Dershowitz told the Wall Street Journal that he intends to initiate disbarment proceedings against the attorneys representing the alleged victims for failing to diligently investigate the women’s claims. Even if the allegations against Dershowitz are false, though, it’s not clear that the lawyers representing the women are either incompetent or malicious.

    Paul Cassell and Bradley Edwards represent the plaintiffs in the CVRA suit. Edwards is a Florida attorney representing Epstein’s victims pro bono. Cassell is a University of Utah law professor focusing on crime victims’ rights. He argued before SCOTUS on behalf of child pornography victim Amy Unknown in last term’s Paroline v. United States, for example. He is a former D.C. Circuit and Supreme Court clerk, and a former Assistant U.S. Attorney. Most notably, Cassell is a former U.S. District Judge. Neither he nor Edwards are amateurs.

    In a statement on Friday, Cassell stood behind his work in the case and looked forward to reading any affidavits Dershowitz might file.

    2. Many of Epstein’s victims, including Jane Doe #3, have been forthcoming with details of their abuse for many years.

    Jane Doe #3 is Virginia Roberts, a young woman who has since 2007 spoken publicly about her supposed years of sex slavery. While the formal allegations in court last week are terse, Roberts has given vivid accounts of how Epstein allegedly forced her into sexual encounters with himself and other men, including the UK’s Prince Andrew.

    3. The allegations against Dershowitz are direct and specific.

    The CVRA suit claims that Epstein “trafficked Jane Doe #3 for sexual purposes to many other powerful men, including numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known Prime Minister, and other world leaders,” but few are identified in last week’s motion. Dershowitz is. Only Prince Andrew, heiress Ghislaine Maxwell, and modeling agent Jean Luc Bunel are also called out by name. Roberts claims that Epstein used Maxwell and Bunel to recruit his young victims. If counsel for the CVRA plaintiffs chose to single out only those individuals against whom they had the strongest evidence, Dershowitz may be in trouble.

    4. Dershowitz defended Epstein.

    As a member of Epstein’s defense team, Dershowitz arranged the deal that kept the victims from telling their tales in court, but sent Epstein to prison on only a relatively minor charge. According to the CVRA plaintiffs, “Dershowitz helped negotiate an agreement that provided immunity from federal prosecution in the Southern District of Florida not only to Epstein, but also to ‘any potential co-conspirators of Epstein.” If the allegations against Dershowitz are true, he engineered an agreement that insulated himself from prosecution as a co-conspirator.
    :

    http://abovethelaw.com/2015/01/a-second-look-at-the-allegations-against-alan-dershowitz/

    The show is just beginning!

  71. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 12:04 am

    Behind Epstein Suit, a Tussle Over Due Process and Victims’ Rights

    The salacious allegations against Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz that surfaced in a federal lawsuit involving convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein have generated international attention. Drawing less coverage is the lawsuit itself — a case with the potential to expand the rights of crime victims during federal investigations.
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    :
    The law in question is the Crime Victims’ Rights Act, a statutory bill of rights for victims of federal crimes. Among other things, the law grants victims a “reasonable right to confer with the attorney for the Government in the case.”

    The case exposes tensions between the due-process rights of the accused and the rights of victims.

    Attorneys representing the plaintiffs, former federal judge Paul Cassell and Florida lawyer Bradley Edwards, say at stake “is whether a federal statute protecting crime victims rights can be ignored with impunity or, as we argue, whether instead real remedies exist for its violation.”

    U.S. prosecutors say the government had no obligation to confer with the alleged victims. Since they never charged Mr. Epstein with a crime, they argue, the plaintiffs don’t qualify as victims under that 2004 law.

    And even that right existed, the government argues, the Constitution’s due-process guarantees bar prosecutors from reneging on their agreement with Mr. Epstein.

    In making their argument, prosecutors have cited a Dec. 2010 opinion issued by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which provides legal advice to the president and executive-branch agencies. The opinion states that the “rights provided by the CVRA are guaranteed” only after “criminal proceedings are initiated through a complaint, information, or indictment.”

    In a 2011 ruling, the federal judge presiding over the case, Kenneth A. Marra, sided with the plaintiffs’ interpretation of the law, writing that the CVRA “clearly contemplates pre-charge proceedings.”

    And in a 2013 order, rejecting a motion by the government to dismiss the case, the judge wrote that a non-prosecution arrangement may be “re-opened” if it were reached in “violation of a prosecutor’s conferral obligations under the statute.”

    The plaintiffs’ lawyers allege that the government failed to meet those obligations. In court documents, they accuses the U.S. attorney’s office of concealing the agreement “to avoid a firestorm of public controversy that would have erupted if the sweetheart plea deal with a politically-connected billionaire had been revealed.”
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    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/01/05/behind-epstein-suit-a-tussle-over-due-process-and-victims-rights/

    There is much more to this case besides the scandal. This is not going to go away easily.

    • lysias on January 6, 2015, 10:15 am

      The Office of Legal Counsel is the branch of the Justice Department that granted the CIA its get-out-of-jail-free card for the torture after the Criminal Division refused to do so.

  72. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 12:15 am

    Video of Epstein’s ranch in Santa Fe:

    http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s3667214.shtml#.VKtt24rF-q4

    Jane Doe #3 alleges Epstein abused her frequently at a West Palm Beach compound, as well as what is assumed to be the ranch – where he forced her to have sex with Dershowitz.
    “I was at the ranch once with friends, my wife and my daughter for about an hour,” Dershowitz told the Today Show Monday. “The house wasn’t complete; Epstein wasn’t even in it…there were no girls around.”

    Sure.

  73. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 12:24 am
    • Brewer on January 6, 2015, 1:44 am

      For goodness’ sake why aren’t the media fact-checking? It can’t be difficult to ascertain the state of completion of the New Mexico ranch at the time of Dersh’s visit. I for one want to know.

      • CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 1:50 am

        Even if the ranch was not complete, I bet it had a bedroom or two – or else where did he stay? It would be hard to prove if any girls were there – unless they came forward.

        If he stayed at a hotel, there should be records of that.

  74. Whizdom on January 6, 2015, 12:27 am

    The conduct of the Assistant US Attorney in this case just smells bad. Some of the decisions are inexplicable.

    • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 1:13 pm

      No, it’s not really inexplicable.

      Nothing is inexplicable when powerful people/governments have the goods on you and/or create them and/or threaten, extort, blackmail you and you family and friends and…

      How high does it go? To the top.

      How low does it go? As low as they need it to go.

  75. Taxi on January 6, 2015, 12:41 am

    By the end of this week, the Dersh is gonna wish his name was Eliot Spitzer.

    Sleazy as f*ck, at least Spitzer was not involved in willful blackmail of powerful politicians for the cause of israel.

    • Brewer on January 6, 2015, 2:42 am

      “blackmail of powerful politicians” may be the big story here.

      • Taxi on January 6, 2015, 3:17 am

        The sex side of the scandal is really just too boring after 24 hours of a news cycle – it’s usually the same kinda story for all the men who’ve been caught with their pants down.

        Nah it’s not the sex. It’s the blackmail stupid!

        Epstein having 21 different contact phone numbers for Bill Clinton is by far more interesting than what a convicted sex offender’s pathological masturbatory habits are.

      • CigarGod on January 6, 2015, 11:30 am

        “21 phone numbers for clinton”?

        Was bill buying those pre-paid untraceable phones you buy at kmart?

    • lysias on January 6, 2015, 10:11 am

      Spitzer was brought down because he dared to defy the masters of the universe. I’m not sure it’s so wrong to hire a prostitute, but it was certainly hypocritical to do something for which he sent other people to jail. Be that as it may, in nonsexual matters the man showed real guts.

  76. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 1:15 am

    Meanwhile, the Dersh’s royal buddy is also in deep doodoo. There is a list of questions he is being asked, such as:

    Ten questions the Palace MUST answer
    By Guy Adams for the Daily Mail

    Soon the murky affair of Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts will face scrutiny via a series of sensational cases due to come before the U.S. courts. But as the scandal escalates, here are ten questions the Royal Household must address…

    1. You have denied that Prince Andrew had ‘any kind of sexual relationship or contact with Virginia Roberts’. He certainly did meet her, however: a photograph was taken late one night in early 2001 of the pair together at a London apartment owned by Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the shamed late newspaper boss Robert Maxwell.
    The picture shows the Duke of York’s left hand cradling Ms Roberts’s bare midriff. At the time, she was 17; he, on the other hand, was a 40-year-old father of two. So how did this image come to be taken?

    2 Ms Roberts claims to have first met Prince Andrew at Ms Maxwell’s property the previous afternoon. During this initial encounter (over tea and biscuits), Roberts says the Prince was asked to guess her age. Andrew correctly estimated that she was 17, prompting Ms Maxwell to reportedly joke that Jeffrey Epstein ‘would soon have to trade her in’. Did the Prince indeed meet her that day?

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    10. Finally, in 2011, after Jeffrey Epstein had been freed from prison, the News of the World published a photograph of him strolling with Prince Andrew in New York’s Central Park.
    The image caused widespread outrage, and led to the Prince’s resignation as Britain’s roving Trade Ambassador.
    Why did the Prince choose to continue his personal relationship with Epstein — by then a convicted paedophile — at this time? How many meetings did he have with Epstein following his conviction? And when did he last speak or meet with him?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897963/The-girls-silenced-Andrew-s-friend-sex-abuser-Fergie-leaps-defend-Duke-new-shock-court-papers.html

  77. annie on January 6, 2015, 1:17 am

    this is interesting http://hoteststory.blogspot.com/2009/07/nadia-marcinkova.html

    googling the name nadia marcinkova, “brought her into the United States to be his Yugoslavian sex slave.”

    • CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 1:24 am

      My guess is that even though he got a reprieve and a light sentence the last time around, he is probably still doing what he is good at doing – pimping to the powerful. The NPA won’t save him from subsequent crimes. I am waiting for him to be tossed back in the slammer again – this time for keeps, and not the VIP prison either.

      What a scuzzball!

  78. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 1:34 am

    Spouses and ex-wives all rally to support their wayward husbands and ex-husbands:

    Sarah Ferguson appeared in public for the first time since the Duke of York was accused of having sex with an underage girl ‘procured’ for him by his billionaire friend Jeffrey Epstein.
    The duchess has kept a low profile at the luxury £22,000-a-week Swiss ski chalet where she has been holidaying with Andrew and their younger daughter Eugenie.
    But yesterday she went for a mountain walk dressed in black sportswear and clutching hiking poles. Choosing her words carefully, she declined to comment directly on the scandal engulfing her former husband.
    Asked by the Daily Mail if she was sticking by the duke, she replied: ‘The York family is a tight unit. We’ve always been a tight unit.
    ‘He is the greatest man there is. It was the finest moment of my life in 1986 when I married him. He is a great man, the best man in the world.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2897963/The-girls-silenced-Andrew-s-friend-sex-abuser-Fergie-leaps-defend-Duke-new-shock-court-papers.html#ixzz3O1KZZSoe

  79. Brewer on January 6, 2015, 2:24 am

    Lawyers acting for Ms Roberts and three other women, who claim their right to be consulted on the non-prosecution deal was infringed by US prosecutors, believe that documentation exists to show that a number of public figures, including Prince Andrew and the former Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, lobbied on Epstein’s behalf during the case. Mr Dershowitz also strongly denies the claim.
    But under an unpublicised ruling obtained by lawyers for Epstein, the details of the documents cannot be disclosed after it was argued that the negotiations over his plea deal were confidential and should not automatically enter the public domain.
    Legal documents seen by The Independent said the material potentially includes “letters of recommendation or similar communication to any [US] government official vouching for or providing support for Jeffrey Epstein”.

    In May last year, prosecutors surrendered 541 pages of correspondence with Epstein’s lawyers leading up to the 2008 non-prosecution agreement as part of an ongoing process by the alleged victims seeking access to almost 15,000 pages of documentation.

    Instead, lawyers for the women must redact any references to the correspondence in their public filings after a judge ruled that Mr Epstein had “shown good cause to prevent potential dissemination… to the press for the purposes of generating publicity”.

    The so-called protective confidentiality order was fiercely opposed by those representing Ms Roberts, now 31, who has three children and is living in America. They argued that it risked impeding public scrutiny of the Epstein case.
    In a legal paper opposing the order, Brad Edwards and Paul Cassell, the lawyers for Ms Roberts, said: “There is an overriding interest in having these matters exposed to public light.

    “There is considerable public interest in the question of how a serial child molester could arrange such a lenient plea agreement.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/prince-andrew-sex-allegations-documents-about-princes-support-for-jeffrey-epstein-concealed-9959218.html

    ” it was argued that the negotiations over his plea deal were confidential and should not automatically enter the public domain.”

    I’d be interested in seeing the legal arguments for this extraordinary decision.

  80. Taxi on January 6, 2015, 9:07 am

    It’s such poetic justice that the pervy dragon would be slayed by a little girl.

  81. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 10:21 am

    USA Today, dumbs down the whole thing in its color-coded news for the stupid public.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/01/05/how-did-prince-andrew-get-stuck-in-a-sex-slave-case/21291031/

  82. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 10:24 am

    The Dersh’s threat to have the lawyers disbarred is just smoke.

    Several law professors specializing in legal ethics said that even if Dershowitz could prove the allegations were false, that was unlikely to get the two attorneys disbarred.

    The heart of the issue: attorneys are advocates for their clients, not arbiters of fact, they said, and they are generally entitled to believe their clients.

    “The statement by the victim that it happened, without a strong reason to question it, would be sufficient,” said Amy Mashburn, a professor at the University of Florida’s Levin College of Law.

    “Being false alone is not enough,” said Stephen Gillers, a professor at NYU School of Law. “What a disciplinary committee would have to show is that they either knew the allegations were false, or they were reckless in making the charge.”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/06/us-andrew-lawsuit-dershowitz-idUSKBN0KF0DH20150106

  83. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 10:27 am

    Harvard law professor embroiled in ‘sex slave’ scandal alongside Prince Andrew files defamation lawsuits over the claims – and urges the duke to do the same

    A very stupid move on his part to open up another battle front. This will allow more dirty laundry to be aired.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2898575/Harvard-law-professor-embroiled-sex-scandal-alongside-Prince-Andrew-files-defamation-lawsuits-claims-threatens-lawyers-sex-slave-disbarred.html

    ‘I’m not trying to silence her,’ he said. ‘I challenged her to repeat the statement to the press so I can sue for her defamation… She has studiously refused to.’

    So what’s his grounds for suing now?

    • CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 11:16 am

      I guess his reason for suing is that his name was included in the suit against the government to provide ‘tabloid fodder” and draw media attention, since he is not party to the suit.

      It will be interesting to see if he can make that stick.

      Dershowitz accuses the lawyers of naming him and Andrew “as quotable tabloid fodder” to get attention that has led to “a media firestorm” to his detriment.

      “Specifically naming Prof. Dershowitz, and identifying him as Mr. Epstein’s counsel, Plaintiffs’ counsel allege that Jane Doe #3 was ‘required’ to have sexual relations with Prof. Dershowitz ‘on numerous occasions while she was a minor,’ and, in addition, that Prof. Dershowitz was ‘an eyewitness to the sexual abuse of many other minors,” the Dershowitz motion says.

      Dershowitz noted that he is “married and has three children and two grandchildren.”

      He told Lauer he was with his family at the time he allegedly had sex with the teen on a Caribbean island and at a New Mexico ranch.

      http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/01/alan-dershowitz-prince-andrew-accuser-2/

      • annie on January 6, 2015, 11:33 am

        I guess his reason for suing is that his name was included in the suit against the government to provide ‘tabloid fodder”

        not necessarily, his name could have been added to the suit because the allegations are true.

        and draw media attention, since he is not party to the suit.

        none of the (alleged) sexual perpetrators are a party to the suit because, due to dershowitz’s legal finagling (could have included blackmail for all we know), they are suing the government for not allowing them to have their day in court.

        btw OT but, did anyone hear about dershowitz’s appeal that allowed a sexual predator sentenced to 32 years in prison released after only a few months? http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2014/09/child-molester-rabbi-baruch-lebovits-free-345.html

        Rabbi Baruch Lebovits, perhaps Brooklyn’s most notorious hasidic child molester, walked out of prison a free man last night after serving less than three months in prison.
        Lebovits was originally convicted for molestation and sentenced to up to 32 years in prison, but that conviction was overturned on appeal after the then-Brooklyn DA Charles J. Hynes indicted Samuel Kellner, another Brooklyn hasid, for alleged extortion of Lebovits and for attempting to bring a false witnesses to testify against him.

        The charges against Kellner were eventually shown to be trumped up and the DA’s conduct in the case was exposed for what it truly was – unethical and likely illegal – not surprising because the tainted and often false evidence against Kellner came from Lebovits’ family and his attorneys, Alan Dershowitz and Arthur Aidala.

        Nevertheless, Lebovits was still free pending a new trial.

        A Brooklyn judge gave Lebovits a two-year plea deal that, with time already served from the original conviction, saw Lebovits serve only about three months in prison. He walked free last night.
        ……

        you know how hard it is to get a 32 year conviction against a rabbi sexual predator in brooklyn?

        Local anti-abuse activists, however, believe Lebovits is a serial molester with more victims.

        Even so, and despite the fact that many hasidic rabbis know of many of these victims, Lebovits retained the support of the hasidic rabbinic establishment throughout the years his latest case wound through the courts.

        He was designated a level-2 sex offender.

        Despite clear evidence that Sam Kellner should never have been charged and that much of the evidence against him was fabricated, current Brooklyn DA Kenneth Thompson has failed to bring charges against those who allegedly fabricated it.

      • CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 11:46 am

        @ annie

        Wow! This guy has so much bad karma hanging over his head that when the final blow comes, there may be nothing left of him!

        Despite clear evidence that Sam Kellner should never have been charged and that much of the evidence against him was fabricated, current Brooklyn DA Kenneth Thompson has failed to bring charges against those who allegedly fabricated it.

        This man deserves everything that he has coming to him!

      • annie on January 6, 2015, 12:08 pm

        that’s what i think. can you imagine being a child victim and after excruciatingly going thru a trial, everything and seeing the person who abused you and others put away for 32 years just to have him set free? if this were a catholic priest it would be all over the national news. but rabbis can molest children with impunity….because of people like alan dershowitz.

        this is his karma, i hope he goes down in history as the protector of child molesters. i hope his name is forever associated with child molesters regardless if he is guilty of being one himself. he protects sexual criminals as deftly as he protects war criminals and ethnic cleansers. he’s a vile man.

      • lysias on January 6, 2015, 12:08 pm

        There was a long article about the Kellner/Lebovits case in The New Yorker a month or two ago. This case has thus gotten a lot of publicity.

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 1:29 pm

        C&D, you’re all over the comments for this piece …and I love it!!

        I wish you were always this prolific!

        Maybe this is a start!!

      • CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 6:43 pm

        Thanks Pixel! :-)

        I had posted a reply before, but it appears to have disappeared.

        I am enjoying my first vacation in over 5 years, so I have some time to kill. This event has caught my interest, not only because I detest the contemptible Dershbag, but also because this has the potential to blow the lid off of the ring of villains that are entrapping and blackmailing our government using sexual perversion as their tool of choice.

        My hope is that in the weeks ahead, some high value individuals in our government will be exposed as having been blackmailed this way, and then all the other rats will scurry for the doors, and in the process, nullify whatever influence AIPAC and others have on our congress. That would bring about a sea change in American life as well as on the life of all those suffering abroad because of them.

        Here’s hoping…

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 9:03 pm

        +1

        (and take more vacations!)

      • Pixel on January 6, 2015, 9:28 pm

        So, are gray bucket hats major fashion statements for all 76-year old accused pedophiles?

        And, like Spitz and his black socks, do you think the Dersh takes it off or leaves it on?

        Link to radaronline

  84. lysias on January 6, 2015, 10:37 am

    Dershowitz files court motion over sexual misconduct allegation:

    (CNN)—Prominent U.S. lawyer Alan Dershowitz has filed a motion asking a federal court to “strike the allegations made against him” regarding alleged sexual misconduct involving underage girls.

    In the same document, filed Monday, Dershowitz requested “a show cause order against” the lawyers for the woman making this claim “and awarding such other relief that the Court deems just and proper.”

    Along with Britain’s Prince Andrew and others, Dershowitz was named in a federal court filing in Florida last week as one of the prominent people who had sexual contact with teenage girls through self-made billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, who pleaded guilty some years ago in Florida to a state charge of prostitution solicitation.

    Dershowitz, a Harvard University professor and high-profile lawyer, has never been charged with a crime in this case, nor has he been sued by the alleged victim.

    In a sworn affidavit also filed Monday, Dershowitz blasted what he called “totally false and outrageous charges against me that have been reported around the world and threaten to damage my reputation irrevocably.”

  85. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 10:49 am

    Prince Andrew plans no legal action over underage sex claims

    At least the royal pedo is not as stupid as the Dersh!

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/06/europe/prince-andrew-sex-abuse-allegations/

  86. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 11:22 am

    Dershowitz said in Monday’s filing the allegation against him was a “deliberate lie.” He said that while he had flown on Epstein’s plane several times, Jane Doe #3 was not on any of those trips. He also said he had been to Epstein’s island once, for a day, and was with his wife and daughter the whole time.

    Oh, so now he has been on the plane several times! The circumference of exposure continues to expand!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/06/us-dershowitz-lawsuit-idUSKBN0KF1DN20150106

  87. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 11:33 am

    This is a concise historical timeline for this case:


    TIMELINE

    1998 – Virginia Roberts meets Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of a disgraced British newspaper tycoon and close associate of Jeffrey Epstein.

    1999-2002 – The time period during which Virginia Roberts [Jane Doe #3] claims to have spent as a “sex slave” for Jeffrey Epstein, servicing him and numerous powerful men associated with him.

    2000 – Jeffrey Epstein is a guest at a party at Windsor Castle celebrating the birthday of the Queen.

    2002 – Virginia Roberts leaves Epstein and marries a man in Thailand.

    March 2005 – Florida police investigate Jeffrey Epstein for “sexual battery” following accusations that he paid female minors for sex during 2004 and 2005.

    May 2006 – A probable cause affidavit is filed against Epstein by Palm Beach police, accusing him of four counts of unlawful sex with minors and one count of molestation. A grand jury returns with a single charge of solicitation of prostitution.

    August 2006 – Epstein pleads not guilty to the charge of solicitation of prostitution.

    September 2007 – Famed criminal defence lawyer Alan Dershowitz helped Epstein negotiate a then-secret non-prosecution agreement with the US Attorney’s Office, which deferred to the Palm Beach County State Attorney’s Office for criminal charges.

    February 2008 – A $US50 million civil lawsuit is filed against Epstein by an anonymous Virginia woman, stating that in 2004-2005 as a 16-year-old minor she was “recruited to give Epstein a massage” and forced to have sex with him.

    March 2008 – A second similar civil action is filed against Epstein, though this and other accusations against Epstein will eventually be settled out of court.

    June 2008 – Epstein pleads guilty to solicitation of prostitution, avoiding a trial involving more serious charges. Epstein begins an 18-month sentence in prison, of which he will serve 13 months.

    July 2008 – Two lawyers, Brad Edwards and Paul Cassell, filed a Jane Doe lawsuit against the US government, alleging Epstein committed crimes against their clients, including sex trafficking of children by fraud.

    July 2008 – The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals rules the prosecutors in the case against Epstein failed to ensure that his victims were informed of the plea deal before it was agreed, a violation of the Crime Victims Rights Act.

    22 July 22, 2009 – Epstein is released from prison.

    February 2011 – Prince Andrew is photographed walking in Central Park in New York with Epstein. Media reports indicate Andrew spent four days at Epstein’s home in New York.

    March 2011 – Virginia Roberts, an American woman, speaking to UK newspaper the Daily Mail, claims to have been forced to serve as Epstein’s “sex slave” and accuses him of forcing her to have sex with some of his famous and powerful friends. Though former US President Bill Clinton associated with Epstein, Ms Roberts claims she never had sex with him, nor did she think he had sex with anyone associated with Epstein.

    March 2011 – It is revealed that Epstein gave Prince Andrew’s ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, £15,000 to reduce her debts.

    July 2011 – Prince Andrew resigns as UK trade envoy amid ferocious criticism over his friendship with Epstein.

    December 30, 2014 – A court filing in the United States District Court in the Southern District of Florida, filed as part of the civil case against Epstein pending since July 2008, alleges Epstein forced Virginia Roberts to have sex with several men, including Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz. Epstein made Roberts available to powerful men to ingratiate himself with them and to obtain potential blackmail information, according to the filing.

    January 2015 – Speaking to the Daily Mail, Virginia Roberts says Epstein paid her £10,000 to have sex with Prince Andrew while she was still a minor.

    January 2015 – Buckingham Palace releases this statement: “It is emphatically denied that the Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts. The allegations made are false and without any foundation.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/jeffrey-epstein-scandal–a-timeline-20150106-12ill9.html

    • annie on January 6, 2015, 11:50 am

      This is a concise historical timeline for this case:

      December 30, 2014 – A court filing in the United States District Court in the Southern District of Florida, filed as part of the civil case against Epstein pending since July 2008, alleges Epstein forced Virginia Roberts to have….

      but isn’t it a little odd that nowhere in the article does it mention the dec 30 court filing was against the government? that’s my understanding anyway. filed as part of the civil case against Epstein pending since July 2008 is all it says. but it’s a lawsuit against the feds (or state prosecutors) who made the deal w/dershowitz isn’t it? for failing to ensure that the victims were informed of the plea deal before it was agreed, a violation of the Crime Victims Rights Act?

      • CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 11:56 am

        The case has been pending since 2008 where the government is mentioned:


        July 2008 – Two lawyers, Brad Edwards and Paul Cassell, filed a Jane Doe lawsuit against the US government, alleging Epstein committed crimes against their clients, including sex trafficking of children by fraud.

        July 2008 – The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals rules the prosecutors in the case against Epstein failed to ensure that his victims were informed of the plea deal before it was agreed, a violation of the Crime Victims Rights Act.

        But, it is true, most articles are glossing over the fact that there is government complicity in the unusual NPA for a child molester.

      • lysias on January 6, 2015, 12:04 pm

        The Fifth Circuit ruled in July 2008 that the victims’ rights had been violated and the case has been pending (presumably in district court) ever since then? What has been taking the court so long?

      • CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 12:39 pm

        @ lysias

        My guess would be that it has taken this much time to get the evidence together for the two lawyers to be confident about victory. The filing in December was to add the 2 other Jane Does to the filing and not a new filing. During this time, they may have gotten the evidence they need against the Dersh and his royal pal, and that is why they added those names to their filing. Given how powerful these two probable perps are, it may have taken a while to amass the necessary documentation into a credible case.

  88. Taxi on January 6, 2015, 12:11 pm

    Here’s a commentator from ‘Above The Law’ link:

    “Joseph Gioconda • 3 hours ago

    Without passing on Alan Dershowitz’s guilt or innocence, since he is obviously presumed innocent, I would make a few observations:

    1. Professor Dershowitz’s open assault on the character of the alleged rape victim speaks volumes. He openly called her a prostitute and suggested that, as a result, she is not a credible rape victim. Whenever an accused rapist stoops to such attacks, it raises serious questions about his own credibility across the board. “Blaming/shaming the rape victim” is a tried-and-true method of re-raping a victim. Plenty of liberals and academics have published about why this very tactic is abominable.

    2. Attacking the plaintiffs’ lawyers by initiating disbarment proceedings is a pathetic sideshow with no real teeth. Alan Dershowitz knows full well that such a tactic is only intended to frighten other, less staunch attorneys, from pursuing allegations about powerful, well-connected men such as him. Again, it raises more questions about his credibility than it answers. Cassell is no lightweight.

    3. There are many mechanisms available to Dershowitz to clear his name, from giving a sworn deposition to offering to testify at an in-person hearing in Court as an intervenor. He also could initiate defamation proceedings against the victim. He has, to my knowledge, declined to do any of the above yet. (This may change).

    Therefore, while Dershowitz remains presumptively innocent of these allegations, and has not been charged with any crimes, his credibility is starting to become as tainted as that of Bill Cosby. Just my opinion….”
    http://abovethelaw.com/2015/01/a-second-look-at-the-allegations-against-alan-dershowitz/#comments

    • lysias on January 6, 2015, 12:16 pm

      If Dersh were still working at Harvard, all of this would make his position there very shaky, in view of the trouble Harvard has gotten into with the feds for its treatment of sexual charges. Dersh is still an emeritus prof there, isn’t he? Does that mean his pension and other rights and his very status there could be challenged by somebody?

  89. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 12:43 pm

    Looking at the coverage in the worldwide press, the US papers have only passing coverage of Randy Andy, and more coverage of the Dershbag, while the papers outside have it reversed, still giving the Dersh some coverage. The papers in Israel have more coverage of the Dersh than of the prince.

    At least thats how it seems without any scientific measurements.

  90. a blah chick on January 6, 2015, 1:05 pm

    “anti Semitic communities”

    Are these gated? Does the security guard manning the entrance give you the stiff armed salute when you drive through to see your grandmother?

  91. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 1:22 pm

    In case we forget, there are currently 4 Jane Does in this case – only Jane Doe #3 has revealed herself and her claims. We don’t know what damage the other 3 Jane Does can do.

  92. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 1:26 pm

    Rats leaving a sinking ship!


    David Cameron has refused publicly to support the Duke of York in the wake of allegations that he “sexually abused” a teenager.
    Asked about the controversy for the first time since the claims were made last week, the Prime Minister would only say in a radio interview: “I’m not going to make any comment on it. Obviously, the Prince has made his own views very, very clear, and I think I’ll leave it at that.”
    Mr Cameron’s comments are a marked contrast from his reaction when the Duke’s friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted sex offender, first got him into trouble in 2011.
    On that occasion the Prime Minister made it clear the Duke retained his full confidence in his role as UK trade envoy. Mr Cameron’s spokesman said at the time that the Duke was “doing an important job” and that “we support him in his role as trade envoy”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11328674/David-Cameron-refuses-to-give-Prince-Andrew-his-backing.html

    • John O on January 6, 2015, 1:36 pm

      It’s axiomatic here in the UK that, when any Prime Minister announces that X has his full confidence, X’s resignation can be expected within a couple of weeks.

      • lysias on January 6, 2015, 5:02 pm

        Can royals resign?

      • RoHa on January 6, 2015, 7:44 pm

        Monarchs can abdicate. Royals can give up their titles, and renounce their rights to succession. Royals can resign from any official position.

        If Prince Andrew became Mr. Andrew Windsor, with no right of succession, I’m not sure how that would affect the status of his daughters.

  93. John O on January 6, 2015, 3:21 pm

    I would be surprised if it was Blair (and I’m sure certain sections of the British press are working their backsides off to see if it was him). For most Americans (I suspect) there are only two PMs in the world, Tony Blair and whoever’s the current PM of Israel.

    Blair liked, and still likes, to hang out with some very dubious people, including Europe’s #1 political sleazebag, Silvio Berlusconi, whose penchant for teenage girls has striking parallels to Epstein’s. I just don’t think Blair would be stupid enough to do a Prince Andrew.

    There are, of course, rumours that Blair was involved with Rupert Murdoch’s ex-wife Wendi Deng, but I’m sure if that were true, the Murdoch press would have flayed him alive already. So, my money’s on one of the Israeli PMs.

    • ckg on January 6, 2015, 4:49 pm

      And we know that Barak was present at times:

      Virginia said that yet another American liberal icon, President Obama’s Middle East peace envoy Senator George Mitchell, frequently visited Epstein’s New York residence. Mr Mitchell, aged 77 – who previously led America’s Northern Ireland peace initiative – ‘was very close to Jeffrey,’ Virginia recalled. ‘He is very clean-cut. You wouldn’t think of him being part of Jeffrey’s crew.’

      Epstein’s contacts book contains a work and a home telephone number for the senator. Another acquaintance was Israel defence secretary Ehud Barak, whose spokesman told The Mail on Sunday: ‘Mr Barak did attend several small functions in Mr Epstein’s home in New York that were usually attended by leading businessman, university presidents, Nobel Prize Laureates and prominent public figures.’

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363452/Bill-Clinton-15-year-old-masseuse-I-met-twice-claims-Epsteins-girl.html

  94. CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 3:43 pm

    Did MW crash? I seem to have lost a bunch of my comments…

    • CloakAndDagger on January 6, 2015, 6:08 pm

      I seem to have lost a bunch of comments as well as replies to different people. I am going to have to try to recreate from memory.

  95. lysias on January 6, 2015, 3:43 pm

    Cloak & Dagger’s posting of the New York Daily News story suggesting that the “well-known prime minister” to whom Roberts was pimped out was indeed Tony Blair keeps disappearing. So I will copy a posting I made on another site about this:

    I think it was already pretty clear that the “well-known prime minister” to whom Virginia Roberts had been pimped out was Tony Blair, but I think just about all doubt has now been removed. New York Daily News: Attorney Alan Dershowitz ‘categorically’ denies sex with 17-year-old in move to ‘protect his reputation’:

    But the scandal churned up a report by The Daily Mail on Tuesday that Epstein kept a little black book containing contact numbers for powerhouse pols like Michael Bloomberg and Bill Clinton, ex-British prime minister Tony Blair and jailed Israeli leader Ehud Olmert, as well as A-listers like Mick Jagger, model Angie Everhart, actress Elizabeth Hurley and Donald Trump’s ex-wife Ivana.

    To be fair, Olmert was also a prime minister, but I think it’s obvious that Blair is the one who could be called “a well-known prime minister” in a filing to a U.S. court.

    • ckg on January 6, 2015, 7:19 pm

      Three prime ministers have been mentioned as guests, or at least contacts, of Epstein: Blair, Olmert, and Barak.

  96. lysias on January 6, 2015, 3:46 pm

    EXCLUSIVE: Houseman who cleaned pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s sex toys and feared he would make him ‘disappear’ takes billionaire’s secrets to the grave after he died just last week:

    DailyMail.com revealed that Rodriguez kept a black book of Epstein’s contacts — which he referred to as ‘The Holy Grail.’ or ‘Golden Nugget.’ The dozens of entries included contact details for A-list names including former President Bill Clinton, Mick Jagger, Donald Trump, Earl Spencer, Barbara Walters, Henry Kissinger and at least three members of the Kennedy clan.

    If this Daily Mail report was the source for the New York Daily News story, it’s worth pointing out that Tony Blair’s name is now missing.

    • seanmcbride on January 6, 2015, 3:55 pm

      lysias,

      If this story is bigger than a Jeffrey Epstein op — a Mossad op — then the covert network that has been employed to control and manipulate the situation may be larger than most people realize — elements of which may have been unknown even to Epstein.

      The presence of this many world leaders hovering around Epstein’s lure screams high-level intel/black op.

      This network may also have been used to intimidate and silence witnesses.

  97. seanmcbride on January 6, 2015, 4:01 pm

    MJ Rosenberg: “Dershowitz demands College of Cardinals convene to clear him. OR ELSE.” https://twitter.com/MJayRosenberg/status/552476540379099136

  98. Whizdom on January 6, 2015, 4:02 pm

    How many middle east peace envoys are engaged? Richardson, Mitchell, Blair?

  99. seanmcbride on January 6, 2015, 4:17 pm

    Consider this: NSA probably has the ability to monitor and capture all the private conversations of all the principals in the Epstein story (including world leaders, girls, security personnel, etc.) — it probably knows what really happened — who did what and who was pulling the strings. (Ditto for GCHQ.)

    • lysias on January 6, 2015, 4:59 pm

      Somebody interecepted Petraeus’s e-mails and Spitzer’s phone calls. Guess who?

      • seanmcbride on January 6, 2015, 7:10 pm

        To expand on the NSA/GCHQ point: they are probably in possession of the names of all the insiders who have been directly involved with Jeffrey Epstein for the past decade or two. They probably know the current status, locations and addresses of all those people. They are capable of monitoring, capturing and analyzing most of the private communications of those people — phone calls, email messages, text messages, face-to-face conversations, etc. Those people are probably discussing the Epstein situation (now prominently in the news) among one another and with non-principals — reviewing memories and divulging important details about what really happened.

        Some folks in the American and British governments know the real deal. It’s possible they may leak some of that information to the public through devious channels.

        This level of activity is, of course, going on far above the level of the visible legal system.

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