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Over 700 British artists representing every field of the arts have taken an Artists’ Pledge for Palestine to boycott Israel culturally or professionally until “it complies with international law and universal principles of human rights”.

The pledge, organized and published by Artists for Palestine UK (APUK) UK, was announcement today on the Letters page at the Guardian in a statement asserting, “The Palestinian catastrophe goes on.”

 [W]e are announcing today that we will not engage in business-as-usual cultural relations with Israel. We will accept neither professional invitations to Israel, nor funding, from any institutions linked to its government. Since the summer war on Gaza, Palestinians have enjoyed no respite from Israel’s unrelenting attack on their land, their livelihood, their right to political existence. “2014,” says the Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem, was “one of the cruellest and deadliest in the history of the occupation.” The Palestinian catastrophe goes on.

Israel’s wars are fought on the cultural front too. Its army targets Palestinian cultural institutions for attack, and prevents the free movement of cultural workers. Its own theatre companies perform to settler audiences on the West Bank – and those same companies tour the globe as cultural diplomats, in support of “Brand Israel”. During South African apartheid, musicians announced they weren’t going to “play Sun City”. Now we are saying, in Tel Aviv, Netanya, Ashkelon or Ariel, we won’t play music, accept awards, attend exhibitions, festivals or conferences, run masterclasses or workshops, until Israel respects international law and ends its colonial oppression of the Palestinians.

The full text of the pledge reads:

We support the Palestinian struggle for freedom, justice and equality. In response to the call from Palestinian artists and cultural workers for a cultural boycott of Israel, we pledge to accept neither professional invitations to Israel, nor funding, from any institutions linked to its government until it complies with international law and universal principles of human rights.

Artists for Palestine UK has published 100 statements by signatories.

Among those who have signed the Artists’ Pledge for Palestine are creative people from diverse artistic and cultural backgrounds, including:

– Writers Tariq Ali, William Dalrymple, Aminatta Forna, Bonnie Greer, Mark Haddon, Hari Kunzru, Liz Lochhead, Jimmy McGovern, China Mieville, Andrew O’Hagan, Laurie Penny, Michael Rosen, Gillian Slovo, Ahdaf Soueif, Marina Warner, Benjamin Zephaniah

– Film directors: Mike Hodges, Asif Kapadia, Peter Kosminsky, Mike Leigh, Phyllida Lloyd, Ken Loach, Roger Michell, Michael Radford, Julien Temple

– Comedians: Jeremy Hardy, Alexei SayleMark Thomas

– Musicians: Richard Ashcroft, Jarvis Cocker, Brian Eno, Kate Tempest, Roger Waters, Robert Wyatt

– Actors: Rizwan Ahmed, Anna Carteret, David Calder, Simon McBurney, Miriam Margolyes  

– Theatre writers/directors: Caryl Churchill, David Edgar, Dominic Cooke CBESir Jonathan Miller, Mark Ravenhill

– Visual Arts: Phyllida Barlow, John Berger, Jeremy Deller, Mona Hatoum

– Architects: Peter Ahrends, Will Alsop.

Former English PEN president, writer Gillian Slovo, said in a statement on the Artists for Palestine UK website, ‘As a South African I witnessed the way the cultural boycott of South Africa helped apply pressure on the apartheid government and its supporters. This Artists’ Pledge for Palestine has drawn lessons from that boycott to produce an even more nuanced, non-violent way for us to call for change and for justice for all.’

 ‘Israel’s wars are fought on the cultural front too. Its army targets Palestinian cultural institutions for attack, and prevents the free movement of cultural workers. Its own theatre companies perform to settler audiences on the West Bank – and those same companies tour the globe as cultural diplomats, in support of “Brand Israel”.’

An emailed press release on the initiative said of the artists’ declaration:

It recalled that musicians opposing apartheid in South Africa pledged not to ‘play Sun City’ – Johannesburg’s playground for the rich. In that tradition, today’s pledge signers are undertaking not to collaborate with Israeli state-funded institutions to ‘play music, accept awards, attend exhibitions, festivals or conferences, run master-classes or workshops,’ until Israel ends its apartheid policies towards the Palestinians.

The release concluded: ‘We invite all those working in the arts in Britain to join us.’ 

Artists for Palestine UK (APUK), which organised the pledge, said artists were incensed that speaking out for Palestine regularly attracted smear campaigns by pro-Israel lobbyists. Theatre director Hilary Westlake, a member of the organising collective, said APUK’s message to British artists is: ‘You are not alone. Together we can defend our right to decide whose patronage we accept, despite groundless accusations of antisemitism and threats of financial and reputational ruin.’

Full A-Z list of 700 signatories here

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  1. Kay24
    Kay24 on February 13, 2015, 10:54 pm

    These are brave and good people. They are obviously not intimidated by the fact that they may never be hired by zionist supporters who are powerful in their line of work, and are risking their professions and jobs by signing this pledge. Good luck and thank you to all.

    We might as well resign ourselves to the fact that such a pledge will never be signed in the US.

    • Rodneywatts
      Rodneywatts on February 14, 2015, 5:34 am

      Well said Kay24. Makes me proud to be a Brit. What you say about zionist pressures is so true and the Tricycle Theatre felt them last August:

      http://www.theguardian.com/stage/2014/aug/15/tricycle-theatre-u-turn-jewish-film-festival-ban

      Hopefully this great news of so many artists pledging boycott may help The Tricycle Theatre to reconsider its position for this year. In any case there is always strength in numbers –particularly in the Jewish component.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 14, 2015, 8:43 pm

        Sadly, our leaders in congress, business, and especially the media, are totally intimidated by the zios, and will never take a stand in this, like our friends do in Europe. Even parliaments have symbolically recognized Palestine as a State. No chance in heck, this would ever happen in the US Congress. They are like little minions doing the bidding of the evil empire.

    • on February 14, 2015, 8:42 am

      We might as well resign ourselves to the fact that such a pledge will never be signed in the US. –

      Never? Jeez, I hope you aren’t right. I hope some day — and soon — we begin to move into the light.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 14, 2015, 9:20 pm

        I hope I am wrong too, but signs are nothing has changed. The way the media still protects the zio crimes, will be a strong indication, but it will never happen in our lifetime at least.

    • turveyd
      turveyd on February 14, 2015, 12:26 pm

      I note that one of those signing is Gillian Slovo. Her name is not so well-known in North America, but it resonates. Her courage in opposing Zionist war crimes and brutal occupation is all the more admirable, in that her mother was murdered by the South African apartheid regime, so she knows first-hand the cost. Her parents and Albie Sachs, who was blinded and mutilated in the same struggle, were a light in the darkness. So i’m not as discouraged as i might be in these heartbreaking days, with the example of grit and endurance before me.

      • globalconsciousness
        globalconsciousness on February 14, 2015, 2:24 pm

        Yes, Gillian Slovo is indeed a courageous person but I would not put Albie Sachs in the same light as her or perhaps even her parents.
        Albie Sachs has yet to say anything even remotely courageous against the State of Israel unlike many South African legal figures who have come out strongly against Israel’s actions…and he unfortunately continues to prop up his flip flopper friend- Richard Goldstone…

      • turveyd
        turveyd on February 14, 2015, 3:58 pm

        I’m posting a reply to myself, since I’m still finding my way around Mondoweiss, but I mean to reply to globalconsciousness. I see I shall have to do some research – Albie Sachs is such a hero of mine that i would not like to think that there is a limit to his goodwill…and i must google the flip-flopper immediately. Thank you..

  2. just
    just on February 13, 2015, 11:27 pm

    This is marvelous and exciting! Yay!

    Good for all 700 artists with conscience putting ‘pen to paper’ and into action! I’m thinking that list will grow… and I’m thinking that other countries might well start their own!

    Thank you Annie!

    • TonyRiley
      TonyRiley on February 14, 2015, 6:09 pm

      Meanwhile, Israeli audiences have enjoyed shows by Bob Dylan, Madonna, the Stones, etc.

      What these 700 have in common is that they have not been invited to visit Israel, and most are unheard of in Britain.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on February 15, 2015, 1:58 am

        People enjoy shows by Madonna?

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba on February 15, 2015, 6:06 am

        “…and most are unheard of in Britain”. @ ToneyRiley.

        Only if (I in Britain ) they didn’t know their abc,s and had no eyes and ears to see and hear !

      • talknic
        talknic on February 15, 2015, 7:09 am

        @ TonyRiley

        “Meanwhile, Israeli audiences have enjoyed shows by Bob Dylan, Madonna, the Stones, etc.”

        Nothing special. They played the antipodes too.

        “What these 700 have in common is that they have not been invited to visit Israel, and most are unheard of in Britain.

        What they have in common is …. you simply can’t see ’em in Israel. As for being unheard of in Britain, might I suggest your ignorance is not evidence of anything relevant.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 15, 2015, 8:34 am

        What they have in common is that, they are unknown in the UK, outside their immediate family and friends.

        Waters is an obvious exception, but he was quite happy to play in Turkey recently, and most of the architects who signed up make good money ion Arab countries or China, so they have no right to lecture Israel on anything.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 1:50 pm

        “What they have in common is that, they are unknown in the UK, outside their immediate family and friends.”

        ?? What all of them except Waters?
        Do you live in the UK?
        Are you sure you are qualified to make such a statement?

      • Bob_Salad
        Bob_Salad on February 15, 2015, 9:05 pm

        “Dylan, Madonna, The Stones”

        Brother, your lacktitude is matched only by your fucktitude. And you come here supporting Israel? Flaky.

      • straightline
        straightline on February 16, 2015, 1:13 am

        Tony Riley’s ignorance on almost any matter combined with his willingness to parade it here are quite remarkable.

        As I’ve said elsewhere in this thread. Some of the people listed here are giants of their professions and known widely in the UK.

    • JWalters
      JWalters on February 14, 2015, 8:50 pm

      I’ll add to your cheer. These group declarations are important because of the extra weight they carry and the extra attention they can get. They don’t end the struggle, but they deserve our thanks!

    • talknic
      talknic on February 15, 2015, 11:54 pm

      @TonyRiley does dig a deeper hole 101 “What they have in common is that, they are unknown in the UK, outside their immediate family and friends”

      Whatever fantasies you need to have dude.

      “Waters is an obvious exception, but he was quite happy to play in Turkey recently …. so they have no right to lecture Israel on anything”

      Is Turkey in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions affording the opportunity to abide by the binding laws those resolutions re-affirm and emphasize? Israel is and Israel has ignored every opportunity

      “and most of the architects who signed up make good money ion Arab countries or China, so they have no right to lecture Israel on anything”

      ‘most’ being who exactly? Remember, accusations are not evidence and; are those countries in breach of hundreds of UNSC resolutions affording the opportunity to abide by the binding laws those resolutions re-affirm and emphasize? Israel is and Israel has ignored every opportunity

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 16, 2015, 3:22 am

        TonyRiley lives in the land of make believe. He has just justified the illegal occupation of the Golan Heights, but fails to mention that even Israel’s dear ally, the US, considers it belonging to Syria. Most nations condemn illegal settlements, the occupation, and considers Israel one of the most disliked nations in the world, for it’s consistent attacks on civilians. TonyRIley has no valid argument, and should stop trying to make one here. Israel has a sick habit of stealing land from it’s neighbors, mostly under the pretext of wars and revenge. None of it’s excuses for land theft will hold water in an international court of law.

        “The United States considers the Golan Heights to be Syrian territory held under Israeli occupation subject to negotiation and Israeli withdrawal. The United States considers the application of Israeli law to the Golan Heights to be a violation of international law, both the Fourth Geneva Convention’s prohibition on the acquisition of territory by force and United Nations Security Council Resolution 242.[128]” Wikipedia

  3. Kathleen
    Kathleen on February 14, 2015, 1:04 am

    more and more people coming to their senses. Getting the facts.

    Thanks Annie

  4. Pixel
    Pixel on February 14, 2015, 1:09 am

    Thanks, Annie!
    Great news!

  5. ivri
    ivri on February 14, 2015, 3:29 am

    Gone are the times when an act like this has made any impression on Israel or, indeed, anywhere else. It is probably the opposite now – many would ask themselves how obsessed with Israel these people are if in the middle of an incredible, historical scale, chaos in the Mid-East, where what happens in one day dwarfs the entire Israel-Palestine saga, they cannot let their “baby” go. And what about their “home front”- where Europe is approaching battle-field conditions given what goes on now in France, Belgium and other countries in regard to similar issues? Pathetic, indeed.
    Besides, their threat is empty – who on earth will miss these people here.

    • annie
      annie on February 14, 2015, 3:16 pm

      in the middle of an incredible, historical scale, chaos in the Mid-East

      well, that would be one way to keep expanding israel don’t you think? empower chaos in the rest of the region so whatever it is one might try to do in israel gets lost in the shuffle. a little distraction goes a long way don’t you think? in fact, i sort of recall some rather infamous supporters of israel spending a LOT of energy getting the US to invest in chaos in the ME. wouldn’t it be shocking if they had israel best interest in mind when they were advocating those wars? hmm. maybe the 2 go hand in hand. just keep the US buckled down creating chaos in the ME so israel can pound palestine and shrink it to the size of a pea. the more incredible, historical scale, chaos there is in the Mid-East, the better it is for little israel. at least that’s a logical conclusion listening to all their advocates. what’s next? iran?

      you deserve a trip to the woodshed for a lashing!

      • ivri
        ivri on February 14, 2015, 4:21 pm

        So let me understand Annie, you think that Israel is behind all that chaos in the region? (and I am too responsible for that?) Are we here are so powerful here that we can push countries in the region into turmoil? And/or can make the US act a proxy for for us in that?
        If so then surely a threat form a group of, mostly unknown, UK artists not to visit Israel must be the last thing that such an omnipotent country should worry about

      • annie
        annie on February 15, 2015, 12:36 pm

        So let me understand Annie, you think that Israel is behind all that chaos in the region? (and I am too responsible for that?)

        i suppose you might be if you would classify yourself in the terms i described. did you “empower chaos in the rest of the region so whatever it is one might try to do in israel gets lost in the shuffle”? or “infamous supporters of israel spending a LOT of energy getting the US to invest in chaos in the ME.” drop your anonymity and identify yourself, it would be easier to assess your culpability.

        Are we here are so powerful here that we can push countries in the region into turmoil?

        we? we like who? are you asking me if i think netanyahu and the emergency committee for israel and sheldon adelson are powerful enough to impose themselves on congress and pressure congresspeople (w/not so veiled threats which have been written about here) to push america into another war? i think that remains to be seen. i think the american public, duped by fake WMD stories and lies such as these, after years of awful war in iraq might not be so susceptible to being dragged into another war. but do i think you’re netanyahu or william kristol or one of the “infamous supporters of israel” i referenced? no i don’t. i just think your some person on a message board ‘following the leader’ so to speak.

        And/or can make the US act a proxy for for us in that?

        oh yeah. i do think that stuff occurs. i’m the kind of person who doesn’t rule out the idea that pedophiliac zionist billionaires might trap politicians in compromising situations for their own advantage. that’s just one example of something i don’t believe mankind is incapable of. and powerful people (even jewish ones), being part of mankind, would not be excluded from that category.

        surely a threat form a group of, mostly unknown, UK artists not to visit Israel must be the last thing that such an omnipotent country should worry about

        which begs the question why you’re here. i really can’t figure out why israel is investing so much in these traveling cultural events we keep hearing about, and the pushback against bds on campuses if it’s so very unimportant. i’d assume it has some importance since the gov of israel is investing so much pushing back. let me know if i can provide more clarification since you’re trying to “understand”.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 14, 2015, 6:49 pm

        Is it worth mentioning that Israel is less than half the size it was after 1973?

      • annie
        annie on February 14, 2015, 8:55 pm

        uh huh

      • straightline
        straightline on February 14, 2015, 10:59 pm

        Please explain how you arrive at that figure, Tony.

      • talknic
        talknic on February 15, 2015, 7:14 am

        @ TonyRiley “Is it worth mentioning that Israel is less than half the size it was after 1973?”

        Interesting theory, I’d like to hear it fleshed out a little

      • eljay
        eljay on February 15, 2015, 9:19 am

        || TonyRiley: Is it worth mentioning that Israel is less than half the size it was after 1973? ||

        No. But what is worth mentioning that Israel:
        – continues to steal, occupy and colonize land outside of its / Partition borders;
        – continues to torture oppress and kill people outside of its / Partition borders;
        – refuses to honour its obligations under international law;
        – refuses to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes;
        – refuses to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace; and
        – remains a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” – a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews – rather than a secular and democratic Israeli state – a state for all its citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 15, 2015, 9:59 am

        No problem. Israel fairly captured the Sinai in the 1973 War that Egypt started, and then gave it away. Israel had the whole of the land that is now under Hamas and Fatah control – Gaza and Judea and Samaria – captured fairly from Jordan and Egypt in 1967 – , and now owns just 3% of the latter. Israel is now roughly the same size as Wales, even though that’s still far too much for most of you.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 3:39 pm

        “Israel is now roughly the same size as Wales, even though that’s still far too much for most of you.”

        It’s not really about size, it’s what you do with it.

        Most people here are concerned about israel’s actions and ongoing crimes against humanity, not about its geographical land mass.

        So whereabouts in the glorious land of Israel do you live Tony?

      • eljay
        eljay on February 15, 2015, 2:50 pm

        || TonyRiley: Israel is now roughly the same size as Wales, even though that’s still far too much for most of you. ||

        Israel has no right to exist outside of the Partition borders it accepted and within which it declared its independence. Half of Palestine was given to Israel, but that wasn’t enough to satisfy the greed of Zio-supremacists.

      • ivri
        ivri on February 15, 2015, 4:20 pm

        @Annie 12.36
        Israel does not invest in cultural events to improve its image but… for the sake of culture itself. I am surprised that this simple explanation did not cross your mind and perhaps that is because you have become so “politicized” – seeing everything through that prism.
        As for countering anti-Israel “intellectuals” in Europe I actually agree that it is waste of money. In my view those people will soon be busy dealing with similar issues (with Muslim minorities) in their own country – all the signs for that are there – and let see to where that will lead them.

      • straightline
        straightline on February 15, 2015, 5:13 pm

        @Tony

        The Allies captured Japan and Germany in the aftermath of WW2. These places did not become part of the US or France or the UK. They were given back. In what sense did Sinai become part of Israel and how was this done “fairly”.

      • talknic
        talknic on February 16, 2015, 12:40 am

        @ TonyRiley does Ziopoop 101

        “Israel fairly captured the Sinai in the 1973 War that Egypt started, and then gave it away.”

        A) There are no UNSC resolutions condemning Egypt for having ‘started’ any war.
        A war is not started until the first shot is fired … Israel fired the first shots.

        B) Since at least 1933 it has beeninadmissible to acquire territory by war, ANY war .

        C) All states are required to have “respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;” Under the Egypt/Israel Peace Treaty, it was agreed and Israel was first required to withdraw from all Egyptian territories BEFORE peaceful relations were assumed

        “Israel had the whole of the land that is now under Hamas and Fatah control – Gaza and Judea and Samaria – captured fairly from Jordan and Egypt in 1967 “

        It was under Israeli military occupation per the ceasefire and Armistice agreements. No borders were actually altered. In fact all of Israel’s attempts to change the borders and sovereignty of territories acquired by war, have all been rejected on legal grounds. Rejected 1948 http://domino.un.org/pdfs/AAC25IS37.pdf …. rejected 1967 http://wp.me/pDB7k-W8

        “, and now owns just 3% of the latter.”

        Israel ‘owns’ what it was proclaimed and was recognized as “an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947” No more, no less.

        ” Israel is now roughly the same size as Wales”

        Irrelevant..

        ” even though that’s still far too much for most of you”

        Evidence …. thx …. I’ll wait ….

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 16, 2015, 2:32 am

        Egypt started the 1973 war by invading Israel.

      • annie
        annie on February 16, 2015, 5:40 am

        me: i really can’t figure out why israel is investing so much in these traveling cultural events we keep hearing about, and the pushback against bds on campuses if it’s so very unimportant.

        ivri Israel does not invest in cultural events to improve its image but… for the sake of culture itself. –

        ivri, there are lots of efforts like this: https://hope4israel.org/counter-bds-campaign/

        What is Hope for Israel doing to counter the BDS campaign?

        We have created our own acronym for this counter-campaign: I-S-R-A-E-L. Read here for ways that you can join us in countering the BDS campaign in your own circle of influences.

        I- INVEST IN ISRAELI ACADEMIC INSTITUTIONS
        S-SHOP FOR ISRAELI PRODUCTS
        R-RAISE SUPPORT FOR ISRAELI ARTISTS AND SPEAKERS
        A-APPEAL TO YOUR CONGREGATIONS AND POLITICAL REPRESENTATIVES
        E-EDUCATE OTHERS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF ISRAEL
        L-LOCATE BDS CAMPAIGNS IN YOUR AREA AND CREATE A COUNTER-CAMPAIGN

        This campaign is meant to be both informative and interactive; we need your participation and voices. Each of you are within your own circle of influences and abilities, we are asking that in whatever way you are capable to join us …..

        then they show a promotional video, an artist rendition of bds pushback. this stuff is happening all over. so back to my question. why bother if it’s so ..what’s the phrase ..the last thing that such an omnipotent country should worry about

        i’d also recommend pinkwatching israel. http://www.pinkwatchingisrael.com/

      • straightline
        straightline on February 16, 2015, 6:43 am

        @Tony Riley

        From Wikipedia – not my favourite site for this kind of thing but in a hurry:

        exception of isolated attacks on Israeli territory on 6 and 9 October, the military combat actions during the war took place on Arab territory, mostly in the Sinai and the Golan Heights. Egypt’s stated goal for the war was the expelling of the Israeli forces occupying Sinai.

      • talknic
        talknic on February 16, 2015, 10:11 am

        @ TonyRiley
        “Egypt started the 1973 war by invading Israel.”

        An accusation is not ‘evidence’ Tony.

        Which actual Israeli territories did Egypt invade Tony and what is your evidence?

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 16, 2015, 10:52 am

        The Sinai. It lost and eventually Sadat accepted that he would never defeat Israel, so he agreed to peace in return for it becoming a demiltarised zone.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 16, 2015, 5:17 pm

        So, Annie, can we expect to see you at the next Gay Mardi Gras in Gaza?

      • annie
        annie on February 16, 2015, 8:06 pm

        so, tony, i’ve been meaning to mention – i guess this is as good a time as any – i’m putting you on a diet. when there are 100 comments that need moderating and 1/2 of them are yours …let’s just say it’s not going to happen. nothing personal (well, it might be personal to you) but you might want to self moderate with all those one liners. stop treating the threads like your personal chat room.

      • talknic
        talknic on February 17, 2015, 9:22 am

        @ TonyRiley “The Sinai. It lost and eventually Sadat accepted that he would never defeat Israel, so he agreed to peace in return for it becoming a demiltarised zone”

        No Tony, you said “Egypt started the 1973 war by invading Israel.”. My question, which you failed to answer was “Which actual Israeli territories did Egypt invade Tony and what is your evidence?”

        The Sinai was never Israeli. It was Egyptian BEFORE Israel was proclaimed and at no stage did it ever become sovereign to Israel.

        When one actually reads the Peace Treaty one can see that being a treaty, both parties agreed to its terms. One of the major terms agreed to was that Israel was to withdraw from all territories sovereign to Egypt BEFORE peaceful relations were assumed. http://wp.me/pDB7k-ZZ IOW if you want peace, get the f&^( out of other folk’s territories.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 17, 2015, 11:36 am

        You’re very conveniently forgetting the Arab League Summit in Khartoum in August 1967, where “The 3 No’s” were resolved: No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no negotiations with Israel.

        With a wilful disregard of what had happened just 9 weeks earlier, the final communique also resolved that Palestine should exist on all of the land of Israel, which does make me wonder what they were smoking that day.

        Israel offered to return the Sinai and the Golan in return for a permanent peace deal, but this was rejected out of hand, so it had no option but to retain these lands until Egypt and Syria came to their senses. Bear in mind that Israel wouldn’t have occupied either if Egypt hadn’t planned on attacking Israel, and were pre-empted, and if Syria hadn’t actually invaded.

        Of course, Jordan would still be denying the Palestinians a state if it hadn’t attacked Israel on June 5th 1967. It would probably still have killed 20,000 PLO members in 1970/71, of course.

      • talknic
        talknic on February 18, 2015, 7:18 pm

        Tony does dig a deeper Ziohole 101, affording yet another opportunity to show readers just how deceitful, pathetic, ignorant and stupid Israel’s apologists can be

        @ TonyRiley

        “You’re very conveniently forgetting the Arab League Summit in Khartoum in August 1967, where “The 3 No’s” were resolved: No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no negotiations with Israel.”

        You’re completely & conveniently forgetting in true Zionist style to show any evidence for your accusation that Egypt started a war. In fact you show Israel (the preemptor) started the war

        Furthermore you’re holding the three no’s up like you have a prize. It’s another non-argument, completely devoid of anything substantial, typical of Hasbara nonsense

        The basis for the three no’s was completely in keeping with International Law and UNSC resolutions affording Israel the opportunity to comply with the UN Charter and International Law as emphasized and re-affirmed in those resolutions

        Under the Peace Treaty with Egypt withdrawal was negotiated, Israel got a peace, recognition was inherent. Israel was required to 1st withdraw before peaceful relations were assumed. Withdrawal for peace. Quite reasonable

        2. The conference has agreed on the need to consolidate all efforts to eliminate the effects of the aggression on the basis that the occupied lands are Arab lands and that the burden of regaining these lands falls on all the Arab States.

        3. The Arab Heads of State have agreed to unite their political efforts at the international and diplomatic level to eliminate the effects of the aggression and to ensure the withdrawal of the aggressive Israeli forces from the Arab lands which have been occupied since the aggression of June 5. This will be done within the framework of the main principles by which the Arab States abide, namely, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it, and insistence on the rights of the Palestinian people in their own country.

        This is simply a reflection of UNSC res 476

        1. Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem;

        and UNSC Res 242 where states are required to have

        respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

        “… the final communique also resolved that Palestine should exist on all of the land of Israel, which does make me wonder what they were smoking that day”

        Makes me wonder what you’re smoking now

        3. The Arab Heads of State have agreed to unite their political efforts at the international and diplomatic level to eliminate the effects of the aggression and to ensure the withdrawal of the aggressive Israeli forces from the Arab lands which have been occupied since the aggression of June 5 (ibid)

        “Israel offered to return the Sinai “ Israel was/is required by law to withdraw from all non-Israeli territories

        ” Bear in mind that Israel wouldn’t have occupied either if Egypt hadn’t planned on attacking Israel, and were pre-empted, and if Syria hadn’t actually invaded”

        A) The preemptor starts the war and exactly which Israeli territories did Syria invade?
        B)According to Schwebel/Lauterpacht/Herzog, a sovereign has a right to “restore” sovereignty over their territory by war if necessary.

        No Israeli territories have ever been occupied for Israel to “restore”. Egypt had a right to attempt to restore its sovereignty by war. It didn’t take that step, Israel launched a preemptive war according to you! Syria has that right to the Golan and it hasn’t yet taken that step. Israel has no right to any non-Israeli territories for ANY reason

        “Of course, Jordan would still be denying the Palestinians a state if it hadn’t attacked Israel on June 5th 1967.”

        You’re reading from the Hasbara book of drivel. There are no UNSC resolutions for any Arab state attacking Israel because
        A) the preemptor starts its war and;
        B) Israel was already in breach of its legal obligations in 1966

        “It would probably still have killed 20,000 PLO members in 1970/71, of course”

        All States have a duty and a right to protect the majority of their citizens from armed aggression internal and external

        No points to you buddy … sorry, your schtick doesn’t stick

    • talknic
      talknic on February 14, 2015, 4:51 pm

      @ ivri “Gone are the times when an act like this has made any impression on Israel or, indeed, anywhere else”

      So why’re you here?

      ” And what about their “home front”- where Europe is approaching battle-field conditions g”

      I wonder if Europe knows …

      “Besides, their threat is empty – who on earth will miss these people here”

      Irrelevant. Their voices are added to the groundswell.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 14, 2015, 6:28 pm

        “Ivri” man, you are one good person! A man who thinks of others before self!

        “Talknic” I ask you, how many people would make an ass out of themselves like “Ivri” does, in hopes of reaching even one lonely, abused, confused, and headed-toward-diagnosable mental illness, adolescent or young adult, and showing them what Zionism can make them! It must be his interest in people which makes him this way! A regular anthropophagist!

      • talknic
        talknic on February 15, 2015, 7:33 am

        @ Mooser “A regular anthropophagist!”

        No!

        Really?

        Well, I had heard rumors … or is it rumours? Rumours are our rumors
        ……

        psssssst …

        …….. do you have any pictures

      • jon s
        jon s on February 16, 2015, 3:51 pm

        TonyRiley,
        Israel occupied Sinai in the Six Days War in 1967, not in the Yom Kippur War.
        And we didn’t just “give it away”, we returned it to Egypt as part of the peace treaty.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 16, 2015, 5:14 pm

        True. But Israel wouldn’t have done that if Egypt hadn’t been planning on occupying all of Israel.

      • talknic
        talknic on February 18, 2015, 7:24 pm

        @ TonyRiley

        “But Israel wouldn’t have done that if Egypt hadn’t been planning on occupying all of Israel”

        Sources for this alleged plan … please … thx

    • TonyRiley
      TonyRiley on February 14, 2015, 6:09 pm

      Most intelligent people realised long ago that the Palestinians bear full responsibility for what has befallen them.

      • annie
        annie on February 14, 2015, 8:57 pm

        you’re just full of lil non reality zingers today aren’t you tony.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye on February 14, 2015, 9:16 pm

        Unless you are just a useless idiot for Israel (my response to your profile characterisation of most of us here), perhaps you could expand on your throwaway one-liners with links to *credible* sources which show why your otherwise unsubstantiated opinion is the one “intelligent people” should hold?

      • eljay
        eljay on February 14, 2015, 9:21 pm

        || TonyRiley: Most intelligent people realised long ago that the Palestinians bear full responsibility for what has befallen them. ||

        No informed person who cares about justice, accountability and equality would make a comment as stupid and hateful as yours.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 14, 2015, 9:24 pm

        Of course it is always the fault of the victims, and I have never seen such powerful occupied people in my life.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer on February 15, 2015, 1:32 am

        @Tony

        I don’t usually ask for proof but I’d like to see proof that you’ve ever met, or talked with, a single intelligent person in your life.

        btw your post started with an appeal to an anonymous authority which negates any consideration of the rest of your post. You may wish to bone up on how to make a rational argument for future posts.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 15, 2015, 3:30 am

        In 1947, the UN Partition proposed the establishment of 2 new countries – 1 for the Arabs and 1 for the Jews.

        The Jews accepted and the Arabs – represented by the Arab League – refused.

        Pretty foolish.

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba on February 15, 2015, 7:51 am

        Mooser, Talknic ………

        Priceless !! “A regular anthropophagist ” !!

      • CloakAndDagger
        CloakAndDagger on February 15, 2015, 10:50 am

        @ Kay24

        “Of course it is always the fault of the victims”

        Indeed. It seems to be a meme amongst the zionists. There was a recent post on Huffpo:

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anna-joseph/harvard-law-professor-bla_b_6666038.html

        Harvard Law Professor Blames Victim in Child Trafficking Case

        Typical.

      • talknic
        talknic on February 16, 2015, 12:48 am

        @ TonyRiley “In 1947, the UN Partition proposed the establishment of 2 new countries – 1 for the Arabs and 1 for the Jews.

        The Jews accepted and the Arabs – represented by the Arab League – refused “

        So what? Israel is only as it was proclaimed and recognized. Whatever on May 15th 1948 at 00:01 (ME time) in 1948 lay according to the Israeli Governmen“outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine” was not and is still not Israeli territory by any legal means.

    • eljay
      eljay on February 14, 2015, 6:15 pm

      || ivreee: … many would ask themselves how obsessed with Israel these people are if in the middle of an incredible, historical scale, chaos in the Mid-East … they cannot let their “baby” go. … ||

      Says the Zio-supremacist who cannot let go of his “baby” of Jewish supremacism in an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” of (Greater) Israel.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 15, 2015, 10:01 am

        You’re just annoyed that Israel always wins.

      • eljay
        eljay on February 15, 2015, 2:39 pm

        || TonyRiley: You’re just annoyed that Israel always wins. ||

        Yes, I’m bothered by the fact that the blatant immorality and injustice of Zio-supremacism in all its forms keeps “winning”, just as I’m bothered by the fact that the rapist “wins” whenever he beats one of his struggling, imprisoned victims into submission or the murderer “wins” every time he slits another victim’s throat.

        Anyone who cares about justice, accountability and equality should be bothered such things. It’s no surprise that you’re not.

      • straightline
        straightline on February 16, 2015, 1:19 am

        You sound like you’re just annoyed because you lost an argument. What does winning mean here, Tony? Killing more children? Flattening their dwellings? Destroying their means of livelihood?

      • talknic
        talknic on February 16, 2015, 4:13 am

        @ TonyRiley “You’re just annoyed that Israel always wins”

        What has a state in breach of laws and a UN Charter adopted in large part because of the suffering of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis won Tony?

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 16, 2015, 6:33 am

        It seems TonyRiley thinks the side that wields the power, has the most sophisticated weapons made in their own country, and those sent by US tax payers, has “won” the war.
        If measuring how one side wins the war, is by counting the precision bombs that are sent into civilians homes and structures, bombing UN shelters, and hearing the UN say that the majority who were killed were women and children, makes you look mighty, and you have won, then of course that shame goes to Israel. The world has turned against Israel even more after that wonderful display of violence, so we know who the real loser is, and it is not the Palestinian people.

    • Mooser
      Mooser on February 14, 2015, 6:42 pm

      “– who on earth will miss these people here.”

      Oh, this is getting ridiculous. “Ivri”,fer G-ddess’s sake, read this article, and learn how to make the case for Israel, and WIN!!

      The article tells you how to first make friends with all the anti-Israel people, and then, when they criticize Israel, you turn around and say “But you wouldn’t want to see me die at the hands of Muslim assassins” And they say: “Heaven forfend! ” (You know how they talk, all “quaintsy goysy” like Norman Mailer said) “We loooove you, you’re so cute, and besides, you’re married to my sister”. And boom, another Gentile, or whole crowd of them, becomes a supporter of Israel. That’s my plan, anyway, to make friends and use them.
      Read the linked article, “Ivri”

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer on February 15, 2015, 1:35 am

      @ivri
      “where Europe is approaching battle-field conditions”

      Mooser and others talk about ziocane. I can’t say you are on drugs. I can say you are delusional.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 15, 2015, 12:17 pm

        “oldgeezer” I must have repeated this a dozen times, but here goes: Yes, early observers of the Ziocaine Syndrome thought the bizarre behavior and disconnected thinking were caused by mass intoxication, or even congeniality defects. This was simply wrong, and the Ziocaine Syndrome is known to be of a completely behavioral origin.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer on February 15, 2015, 12:56 pm

        @Mooser

        I confess i have read that before.sorry! In my defense it was about 3am here!

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 15, 2015, 4:53 pm

        “oldgeezer”, believe me, I thought they were “on something” , too (that’s where the name came from) and you know, championing endogamy as they do, can lead to questions about excessive consanguinity, if you get my drift, but no, further research, and the existence of “Ziocaine Syndrome-by-Proxy” shows that the etiology seems to be entirely behavioral.
        Anyway, that’s what four-out-of-five dentists who chew gum say.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 16, 2015, 2:31 pm

        The name came about because the most analogous character degeneration is that produced by chronic abuse of cocaine and alchohol. Later it was determined no chemical agents (other than the changes in the sufferer’s physiology, or course, during the episode) are involved.

  6. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 14, 2015, 6:45 am

    Interesting – though not at all surprising – that The Guardian, which ran a front-page story on has- been ‘comedian’ Maureen Lipman’s fears of ‘anti-semitism’, pretty much buried this story. Welcome to the all new Jonathan Freedland Grauniad.

    • Rodneywatts
      Rodneywatts on February 14, 2015, 7:52 am

      Now Maximus, Maximus– you are suggesting that Jonathan is a zionist?? Poor Jonathan, after his contribution on BBC Question Time, doesn’t need any more nasturtiums thrown at him – Especially as Bornajoo has already written a very very personal letter to him wrt his Question Time answer.

      Seriously, you make a good point about the burying of the story etc, but I see good wisdom in the publishing of the letter in the Grauniad by APUK. Lets hope it does help to bring light to those who desperately need it!

      Annie-good on you!

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba on February 14, 2015, 8:17 am

        Thank you , annie !
        Blake Alcott has written a long article on J.Freedland and the imminent taking -up position as editor -in- chief of the Guardian. ( This weekend ‘s edition of COUNTERPUNCH. )
        A must read.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 14, 2015, 8:52 am

        It is indeed a must read! Thanks for the suggestion.

        Freedland is even more despicable than I previously believed, and that’s saying something. He is the classical ‘liberal Zionist’ – scratch the surface, and there’s little difference between him and Mark Regev. I have no doubt that the Guardian’s recent morphing into the NYT – the obsession with ‘anti-semitism’, absurd censorship on the increasingly rare occasions an I/P article is allowed on ‘Comment is Free’ pages, and massively disproportionate attention to Israeli rather than Palestinian victims – has to do with Freedland’s increasing influence. ‘The Guardian’, contrary to what the hasbarists tell us, was never ‘anti-Israel’ but now it’s become a joke.

        Freedland, for all his expensive private education and fancy words, is essentially a tribalist.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 14, 2015, 9:01 am

        @rodneywatts

        ”Seriously, you make a good point about the burying of the story etc, but I see good wisdom in the publishing of the letter in the Grauniad by APUK. ”

        Yes – but you had to really search hard to find it. And no comments allowed, of course.

        Contrast it to the almost daily articles obsessing over ‘antisemitism’. Even Hadley Freeman – who normally wows us with her ‘writing’ on such subjects as Julianne Moore’s boobs or Kim Kardashian’s bum – has got in on the act. And like I said, how is it that the Guardian could find a prominent front-page space for z-lister Maureen Lipman – a vocal supporter of the Gaza massacre – to whine about how she feels ‘unsafe’ in Britain, yet felt the need to hide the news of an important boycott by many highly respected artists?

      • Rodneywatts
        Rodneywatts on February 14, 2015, 10:35 am

        @ Maximus DM

        Wrt the amount of coverage in guardian as raised by you, and agreed, I thought I’d try to contact APUK to suggest publishing elsewhere as well. Anyway if you follow the link to APUK that Annie has given above and click on the NEWS heading far right at top you will find that in todays Guardian Saturday Review Kamila Shamsie has got a 600 word article on why she signed the pledge. As they say ‘every little helps’. But of course , considering how newsworthy this signing by 700 artists is, a darn sight more shoud have appeared–and front page too!

      • Keith
        Keith on February 14, 2015, 4:18 pm

        MAXIMUS- “Freedland is even more despicable than I previously believed, and that’s saying something.

        Perhaps I can lower your opinion even further? I have provided a link to a Znet article by Jonathan Cook about how arch Zionist Freeland set up George Galloway for abuse on one of his BBC Question Time shows. With friends like the Guardian, who needs enemies?

        Link to Galloway/Guardian/Freeland dispute:
        https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/guardian-editors-hypocrisy-on-anti-semitism/

      • annie
        annie on February 14, 2015, 5:54 pm

        thank you bintbiba, i will check it out!

        keith Znet article by Jonathan Cook about how arch Zionist Freeland set up George Galloway for abuse on one of his BBC Question Time shows.

        i saw that, he was awful!

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 15, 2015, 5:42 am

        Keith,

        Yes, I saw that. Disgraceful. Galloway is right – this was an ambush.

        Could you imagine if that smug, sanctimonious Freedland had been physically attacked in the street by a supporter of Palestine, as Galloway was by a Zionist hoodlum? He’d have got about a zillion ”horror of anti-semitism’ articles about it, and he would be held up as a martyr every time he opens his hypocritical gob.

    • John O
      John O on February 14, 2015, 12:47 pm

      I disagree that the Guardian buried the story. In the print edition, the artists’ letter is the first item on the letters page (p. 34). The boycott is also referred to in an item, again given prominence on the page, by Kamila Shamsie on p. 5 of their weekly review of the Arts. It IS difficult to find the letter online, but that’s because the readers letters have always been hard to find online, and more so since the recent redesign of the web edition.

      BTW, I have had numerous letters published in the Guardian over the years, and one even made it into their 2008 book of the best of that year’s readers’ letters. Guess what! My letter was taking Jonathan Freedland to task for his ridiculous Pollyanna-ish praise of the system of checks and balances in the governance of the USA that worked so very well during the Dubya presidency.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 14, 2015, 2:17 pm

        But that’s just it! You have to look in the ‘Letters’ page or the ‘Arts’ section to find it. And how many people do that? Very few. It is notable that The Guardian is not treating this as a news story, just like any other ‘Letter to the Editor’ shunted away to the back pages.

        If anything like this number of well known British artists had signed a letter protesting anti-semitism – the Guardian’s current obsession – do you seriously think they would have tucked it away in the ‘Letters’ section? No way. It would have got a prominent front page story, with comments open. A letter signed by – among others – Alexei Sayle, Jarvis Cocker, Ken Loach, Mike Leigh and Ahdaf Soueif – who writes frequently for the Guardian – gets relegated to sub-sections, but Maureen Lipman, best known for her BT ads, gets a front page story to white about ‘anti-semitism’? Come on!

      • John O
        John O on February 14, 2015, 2:35 pm

        @maximus

        You have a point. They could have given it coverage on the front page (which right now is almost wholly given up to the HSBC banking scandal). On the other hand, did you read the below-the-line comments on Maureen Lipman’s latest tantrum? Very little support for her there. Guardian readers generally aren’t stupid.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 15, 2015, 5:39 am

        @John

        Yes – most of the comments on Lipman’s whine were of the ‘Don’t let the door hit you on the way out luv!” variety. Not what she expected lol!

        You’re right – Guardian readers generally aren’t stupid. Which is why comments are usually not opened on the rare occasions Freedland allows them to post anything about Palestine.

      • mikeo
        mikeo on February 16, 2015, 10:21 am

        I am permanently moderated at the Guardian for once alluding to organised hasbara trolls flooding the comment sections, and linking to sites where you could download apps like GIYUS and Megaphone which might cause this to happen.

        Make of that what you will…

      • seanmcbride
        seanmcbride on February 16, 2015, 6:45 pm

        mikeo,

        “I am permanently moderated at the Guardian for once alluding to organised hasbara trolls flooding the comment sections, and linking to sites where you could download apps like GIYUS and Megaphone which might cause this to happen.”

        The attacks on free speech by pro-Israel activists are relentless — and they keep escalating. Increasingly the vibe is reminiscent of post-World War II Eastern Europe during its worst authoritarian excesses. Follow the single party line or else. And these oppressive activities are being conducted in the name of defending “our freedoms.”

  7. Palikari
    Palikari on February 14, 2015, 7:26 am

    Singling Israel out… Why don’t they boycott countries that violate human rights instead of the only democracy in the Middle East?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 14, 2015, 8:25 am

      Calm down. Nobody is urging a boycott of Turkey. Except maybe those hasbarists who developed a new-found ‘concern’ for Turkish Kurds and Armenians following the fall-out over the Mavi Marmara massacre.

      • just
        just on February 14, 2015, 8:29 am

        whew~ I was worried there.

        Thanks, MDM!

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 7:57 am

        @mdm
        I’ve been writing to the Guardian complaining about Freedland the rabid Zionist but nobody yet has replied to me. You are spot on in your take on the direction of the Guardian since he managed to weasel his way in and control the output of all news from this region. And providing a more prominent spot for that whining old bag Lipman to moan and groan about anti semitism makes you want to grab the sick bucket. If she hates it so much here then why doesn’t she f**k off and go and live in the only democracy in the middle east, that light unto other nations? I’ll drive her to the airport

        @Bintbiba
        Thanks for the link about Freedland in counterpunch. Great article. An absolute must read!

        @Kieth
        Thanks for the link. Jonathan Cook is spot on and it echoes the points I made in my own comment about Freedland on question time the other day. He’s a zionist snake, he’s a despicable human of the very worst kind dressed up as a so called intellectual and a supposed voice of reason. That’s why he is so dangerous. And he now controls the main so called liberal voice about the middle east in the UK and also cif department. What a lizard.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 15, 2015, 10:04 am

        The Marmara was funded by an al qaeda front organisation – IHH – and was carrying no aid. It was an illegal convoy, and the UN decreed that Israel was within its rights to stop it.

        The IDF boarded the ship but only used paintball guns until its men were attacked with knives and then acted in self-defence.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 15, 2015, 1:22 pm

        @bornajoo

        ”He’s a zionist snake, he’s a despicable human of the very worst kind dressed up as a so called intellectual and a supposed voice of reason. That’s why he is so dangerous. ”

        Agree 1OO%.

        I used to think Freedland was probably a decent enough person, but just that, due to ethnocentricism and a lifetime of brainwashing, had a blind spot when it came to Israel and Jews. Now I see it differently. The ‘Question Time’ fiasco and the Counterpunch article have convinced me that Freedland is exactly as you describe him and very, very dangerous. When push comes to shove, he’s really no different from Alan Dershowitz. Palestinians exist only as an inconvenience to Israel, and anything which goes beyond his very mild pseudo-criticisms of Israel is, of course ‘antisemitism’. That is why Israel is now a sacred cow for the The Guardian, though I also think that their ambitions to expand in the US have a lot to do with it too.

        As for Lipman, I will never forget how, during the July war on Lebanon, she openly said that ”the other side” does not respect human life – no, not like Israelis who were then engaged in massacring hundreds of civilians, as they do on a regular basis, with Lipman cheerleading from the sidelines. If you can’t manage to drive her to the airport, I’ll happily pay for the taxi. And she can take Freedland with her while she’s at it. I mean, if they love Israel that much, why are they living on another continent?

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 3:09 pm

        @mdm
        “I mean, if they love Israel that much, why are they living on another continent?”

        Great question and one I always ask. A couple of weeks ago I was in nasty argument with this old Jewish lady. But it ended abruptly when I asked her how come she never went to live in the supposed only safe homeland for the Jews.

        On another thread today I commented about a former British Jewish friend of mine who was always fascinated and enchanted about Israel. He always said he was going to go and live there. He made a small fortune in the early 90s and sure enough off he went. He barely lasted a year and he was back. I know of many others who had the same experience

        The myth and hasbara about israel is very different to the actual reality.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 15, 2015, 4:35 pm

        And still Israel is the most successful economy in the Middle East, and in possession of the strongest military too.

      • seanmcbride
        seanmcbride on February 15, 2015, 1:42 pm

        Bornajoo,

        I presume you are talking about this Freedland — Jonathan Freedland?

        BEGIN QUOTE
        Freedland has published six books: two non-fiction works and four thrillers under the pseudonym Sam Bourne. The Righteous Men, published in 2006, is a religious thriller published under the Bourne ‘nom de plume’. The book made a brief appearance in the gossip columns when a damning review by Michael Dibdin, originally written for The Guardian, appeared instead in The Times. The Guardian’s ombudsman discovered that when Dibdin originally submitted his review to The Guardian he offered to withdraw it if it were deemed too awkward – an offer the Editor Alan Rusbridger accepted.

        In June 2006, The Righteous Men was picked as a Richard and Judy Summer Read and soon rose to the top of the The Sunday Times best-sellers’ list. It stayed on the list for several months and has now sold more than half a million copies in the UK; it has been translated into 30 languages.

        The book was followed a year later by another Sam Bourne title, The Last Testament, this time set against the backdrop of the Middle East peace process, and in 2008 by The Final Reckoning, based on the true story of the Avengers: a group of Holocaust survivors who sought revenge against their Nazi persecutors. The Final Reckoning just missed the peak of The Sunday Times best-seller list. The Chosen One, the fourth thriller by Sam Bourne, was published in the UK in 2010. In April 2010, The Bookseller reported that HarperCollins had signed up Freedland for three more Bourne books, describing the author as “the UK’s bestselling thriller writer with sales of well over one million…in less than five years.”
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Freedland
        END QUOTE

        Has anyone parsed Freedland’s fiction to get a handle on his views on Israel and Mideast politics?

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 16, 2015, 3:33 am

        Yes that’s him Sean.
        It would be a good idea to go through his fiction work to see more evidence of his views. But what a rotten task!

        Did you see the clip I posted from Question Time the other day?

      • seanmcbride
        seanmcbride on February 15, 2015, 2:25 pm

        Regarding Jonathan Freedland: from the Amazon.com summary of Sam Bourne’s “The Final Reckoning”:

        “When a man’s death at the United Nations turns out to be more than just an accidental shooting, unsuspecting Tom Byrne is plunged headlong into a deadly world of hidden fellowships, unforgivable crimes, and a 60-year quest for justice. From Sam Bourne—the #1 international bestselling author of The Righteous Men and The Last Testament—comes this fast-paced, gripping, and provocative thriller exposing the last great mystery of the Second World War. Perfect for fans of Raymond Khoury, Jo Nesbø, and James Rollins, Bourne’s The Final Solution is a tense and twisting tale of Nazi soldiers and Jewish Avengers, based on the true story of WWII survivors taking vengeance for the Holocaust into their own hands.”

        http://www.amazon.com/Final-Reckoning-Sam-Bourne-ebook/dp/B003VIWO34

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 15, 2015, 4:21 pm

        Yes – they remind me of Communist ‘fellow travellers’ from the 1970s. ”If you love the Soviet Union so much, why don’t you move there?” A question to which there was no answer.

        The likes of Lipman and Freedland love the ‘idea’ of Israel, of Jews playin’ tough, having a state ‘of their own’. But the reality? Not so much. They’ll stick with their fancy North London pads and enjoy the freedoms of life in one of the word’s most established liberal democracies, ta very much.

      • seanmcbride
        seanmcbride on February 16, 2015, 11:46 am

        Bornajoo,

        “Did you see the clip I posted from Question Time the other day?”

        Was that the same link that Keith provided? — https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/guardian-editors-hypocrisy-on-anti-semitism/

        I read the Jonathan Cook article and watched the clip — appalling. How did Freedland manage to acquire so much influence at the Guardian?

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 16, 2015, 7:30 pm

        Sean
        “How did Freedland manage to acquire so much influence at the Guardian?”

        Kieth posted the Jonathan Cook article. I posted the YouTube clip from Question time:
        George Galloway debates 100 Zionists at the same time (and wins!) – BBC …: http://youtu.be/oG-W0YbMUMw

        This is what they do so well. It’s not about numbers. It’s about getting into key positions of major influence. And that’s what really counts. Controlling the so called liberal left news content from the middle east is a very powerful position.

        It’s the same story with the new York times. Both these supposed liberal papers have zionist pro israel Jews controlling the news coming out of Israel and the Middle East. How ridiculous! And how can it possibly be objective? How is it allowed to happen?

        People read the guardian and think they are getting the real story. But in reality they are being fed the same propaganda, only dressed up as something different to the standard msm.

        And it’s a real possibility that this lizard Freedland will end up as the actual editor of the whole paper when Rushbridger steps down next year.

        But you have to hand it to them. They understand the power of media more than anyone and they have been incredibly successful in steering it their way.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 16, 2015, 2:35 pm

        “The IDF boarded the ship but only used paintball guns until its men were attacked with knives and then acted in self-defence.”

        Durante was right! Everybody is a comedian! I better get some new material, Zionists are starting to use my jokes!

    • Mooser
      Mooser on February 14, 2015, 12:25 pm

      And gee, why shouldn’t Israel be singled out? Any law against it? Do some singularly stupid and cruel stuff, and you will get singled out.
      Sorry.

    • justicewillprevail
      justicewillprevail on February 14, 2015, 3:13 pm

      Ah, hasbara 101. The training exercise.

      Actually they are boycotting a country which violates human rights, the clue is in the letter.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 15, 2015, 10:04 am

        Does Hamas and the Palestinian Authority respect human rights more than Israel?

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 2:03 pm

        “Does Hamas and the Palestinian Authority respect human rights more than Israel?”

        Well how about letting them have their own fully independent occupation free state and we’ll judge them at that time.

        But I suspect this argument won’t have any effect on you as you’re probably going to argue that they are not occupied because you firmly believe the hasbara that they lost and tough luck (if your comment about the Palestinians not accepting the one sided agreement in 1947 is anything to go by)

        Or do you at least agree that the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are living under occupation?

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 15, 2015, 2:29 pm

        Hamas has run Gaza since Israel left in 2006. In the only election ever likely to beheld there, it scored 33% of the available votes.

        Hamas occupies Gaza.

    • talknic
      talknic on February 14, 2015, 6:45 pm

      @ Palikari “Singling Israel out…”

      Israel’s human rights violations are in territories the Israel Govt claimed were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”, territories Israel has never legally acquired.

      “…the only democracy in the Middle East?”

      Odd. The Declaration of Statehood says nothing about democracy. It does however require a constitution before a government can be legally elected. Thus far the only legal government Israel has ever had, the Provisional Government, was not elected by Israelis.

      Every Government since has led Israel further and further into the legal quagmire of illegal facts on the ground until today the Jewish State can’t afford to adhere to the law, it would be sent bankrupt. It must instead strike a plea bargain with the Palestinians who are under no legal obligation what so ever to forgo ANY of their legal rights.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on February 14, 2015, 9:27 pm

      One so called democratic and US aid receiving rogue nation at a time. Let’s start with the one what has had people occupied for over 60 + years first okay?

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 15, 2015, 10:05 am

        Or we could start with the one that has been hanging Gays and persecuting Christians since 2006.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 1:54 pm

        “Or we could start with the one that has been hanging Gays and persecuting Christians since 2006.”

        Oh.. So just because there might be even worse regimes, israel should get a free pass?

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 15, 2015, 9:42 pm

        TonyRiley, seems all you have is to keep comparing Israel to all the bad guys in town, to make Israel look good? Israel, one of the most disliked nations in the world?
        Nothing else to be proud about eh? The “only democratic” nation in the Middle East is even more violent and ruthless than some others, and simply cannot shine as that beacon of light, because of it’s endless crimes against humanity. Bad try on your part.

    • Marnie
      Marnie on February 15, 2015, 2:08 am

      There isn’t enough space here to list the human right’s violations committed by the zionist state on a daily basis and you know it so apparently you are confessing that you don’t recognize the humanity of Palestinians. So why don’t you just STFU.

  8. ivri
    ivri on February 14, 2015, 9:25 am

    Also let me ask: how many of those signed had anytime a contact with Israel? Reminds me of those corporations, which began to present their products as Green, even though that aspect has nothing to do with the nature of those products.
    I have a feeling that all these Israel- boycotting exercises are getting too ridiculous to be taken seriously. Remember the big fuss about a Soda drink company and a beautiful model? And didn`t I read on this site just days ago that the Trans-Atlantic trade agreement may preclude, commerce-wise, any of that?
    And also what about the succession of major Asian countries that are in close contact with Israel in increasing trade significantly? The leader of Japan just left Israel and India is already a close friend. China shows great interest too.

    • John O
      John O on February 14, 2015, 2:18 pm

      While it is true that few – if any – of the people involved were likely to get a gig in Tel Aviv anytime soon, that is to miss the point. They are throwing the gauntlet down to those who do accept Israel’s money.
      Just cast your mind back to the stink around Paul Simon’s “Graceland” and its use of South African musicians in defiance of the artistic boycott of SA at the time. Yes, I know that was a complex issue (not least because it’s a great album), but, to put it crudely, it burst a festering boil about whether or not to boycott.

    • justicewillprevail
      justicewillprevail on February 14, 2015, 3:09 pm

      Brian Eno has certainly been, and has written and spoken eloquently about the horror which he witnessed there No doubt many of the others have been too. That is what radicalises many people.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 7:20 am

        @jwp
        You are right. When they go and see the true horror show for themselves it undoubtedly makes a very deep impression. It brings the reality home. Especially when you travel from the insulated bubbles of the main Israeli cities into Gaza and the West Bank and see the checkpoints, the demonstrations, the psycho settlers, the level of destruction in Gaza…

    • amigo
      amigo on February 14, 2015, 3:14 pm

      “China shows great interest too.” ivri

      Would that be the same China who is part of the P5 +1 who are in the process of giving Iran the right to build Nukes and use them to bomb their new found friends ,(Israel) to smithereens .

      Watch that kool aid ivri.It is causing self delusion.

      • ivri
        ivri on February 14, 2015, 4:42 pm

        I am afraid the delusional person here is not me. For almost 70 years now there is this prediction of destroying Israel by this country or another. This contact of Iran with china is very, very loose and the P5 is itself a loose association and Iran is now inclined to give up on n those nukes, not least because of its great interest to fight with the US the Caliphate guys, and then, well, at this moment the country that got the nukes is actually Israel.
        But the main aspect of the delusion here lies even more so in the distance between Iran and Israel. Firing even a missile (even just conventional) from Iran to Israel can hit, due to just half a degree deviation, Hezbollah or Gaza (the distances here are very, very small). When they had Syria it was a different matter, but where is Syria now? And that perhaps tells you why Israel decided to bomb that Hezbollah + Iranian group, which tried to set a missile base in Syria… Capito?

      • mikeo
        mikeo on February 16, 2015, 9:52 am

        “This contact of Iran with china is very, very loose”

        China – Number one importer of Iranian oil & gas…

        Moron

      • talknic
        talknic on February 19, 2015, 10:20 am

        @ ivri ” I am afraid the delusional person here is not me”

        Coming from a person with a deservedly earned reputation as a liar, false accuser, who seeks excuses for genocide, apartheid and the illegal acquisition of other folks territory, your opinion of yourself doesn’t have much credence

        “For almost 70 years now there is this prediction of destroying Israel by this country or another”

        Yet no country has ever attempted. In fact Israel’s neighbours have all had “respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;” Israel has invaded all its neighbours

        “This contact of Iran with china is very, very loose and the P5 is itself a loose association and Iran is now inclined to give up on n those nukes..”

        What nukes? Remember accusations are not evidence. Thus far there is no evidence what so ever that Iran intends, wants or is preparing to acquire nukes

        “But the main aspect of the delusion here lies even more so in the distance between Iran and Israel”

        The main aspect of the delusion is idiots for Israel believing that accusations with no evidence are evidence on which they can base their ridiculous speculations.

        ” Firing even a missile (even just conventional) from Iran to Israel can hit, due to just half a degree deviation, Hezbollah or Gaza (the distances here are very, very small). When they had Syria it was a different matter, but where is Syria now? And that perhaps tells you why Israel decided to bomb that Hezbollah + Iranian group, which tried to set a missile base in Syria… Capito?”

        Uh huh. I understand. What ever speculative nonsense you need to post.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer on February 15, 2015, 1:18 am

      @ivri

      Why would I want contact with Israel? Or any other country for that matter. I have actually done a lot of travelling but contact with a racist state isn’t on my bucket list.

      I don’t need to see Israel to know Israelis are happy people living a lifestyle equal to western nations (please note I did not say other western nations as Israel certainly isn’t one).

      I also don’t need contact to know that the happiness stems from it being a racist supremacist which values some lives more than others. Which dehumanizes any person not part of the correct religion or lineage (Jews are not a race).

      The message from these artists are only partially for Israelis. Primarily the message is directed at actual western democratic states and their citizens. It is a recommendation, and support, for futher boycotts and isolation of Israel.

      As usual Israelis and it’s supporters will thumb their nose at the world while whining on and on.

      Israelis are like frogs. They sit in the water as it comes to a boil without realizing they are in danger (of delegitamizing themselves in the eyes of the entire world). Arrogance is the cause of their stupidity.

      This is huge and your trite attempt to downplay it awards you recognition of the intelligence of a frog in a hot pot. Mom and Dad would be so proud.

    • Bornajoo
      Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 7:08 am

      IVRI
      “Also let me ask: how many of those signed had anytime a contact with Israel? ”

      The last thing you want is for a lot of these great artists to actually have actual contact with israel such as visiting and seeing what goes on with their own eyes. The inhuman checkpoints, the night time raids, kidnapping children, shooting children and others dead for supposedly throwing stones, demolishing houses, settler terrorism, land theft, evictions, Mass murder in Gaza, the total destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure, racism… and I could go on and on.

      I think it’s best for the likes of you that they work mainly on second hand information because if they did have proper contact with israel a lot of these people would probably become full time activists against the state which carries out crimes against humanity on a daily basis

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba on February 15, 2015, 7:30 am

        @ivri
        “Also let me ask: how many of those signed had anytime a contact with Israel? ”

        IT is obvious “those signed” had cognitive, sentient , vibrant contact with their own brain and intelligence.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye on February 15, 2015, 8:46 am

      Miriam Margolys has certainly been to Israel and Palestine – more than once. There was a MW article just days ago about Leila Sansour’s (her hubby Nicholas Blincoe has signed) latest film – a previous one was of comedian Jeremy Hardy in I/P. Another signatory, Mark Thomas, walked the Wall and wrote about it:
      http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2011/apr/23/mark-thomas-rambling-israel-barrier
      (he also writes about Jenin and Juliano Mer-Khamis)

      Regarding the Grauni conversation upthread – Jonathan Miller, on the board of the Scott Trust, is also a signatory.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 11:39 am

        @Bumblebye
        Jeremy Hardy, Mark Thomas both superb. Been to loads of their gigs. They know their stuff

        Thanks for the heads up about Jonathan Miller and the fact that he’s on the board of the Scott Trust. I’m going to write to him about Snakey Freedland! I hope I get a reply from somebody somewhere. Miller is Jewish, he goes all the way back to Beyond The Fringe with Peter Cooke, Dudley Moore and Alan Bennett and highly respected. I’m sure Freedlands agenda is not his idea of what the Guardian is supposed to be about. They surely must realise this?

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye on February 15, 2015, 12:35 pm

        @Bornajoo
        I boobed! Misremembered and mixed up Andrew Miller and Johnathan Scott! So sorry.

        http://www.gmgplc.co.uk/the-scott-trust/the-scott-trust-board/

        :•(

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 12:40 pm

        Oy vey Bumblebye!
        Never mind. Thanks for letting me know. I’m going to go through the list of the board of the Scott Trust and see who I can write to.

  9. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw on February 14, 2015, 10:08 am

    I haven’t heard of any of these people, except for Waters and Eno, and that was thirty years ago.

    • John O
      John O on February 14, 2015, 1:31 pm

      Then your knowledge of the arts scene in Britain is so limited that it is not really wise of you to comment. I read through all 700 names this morning and there are many prominent names there, including a goodly number of Jewish artists.

      • Krauss
        Krauss on February 14, 2015, 1:57 pm

        Just to mention one of the Jews, Mike Leigh, whose latest movie is nominated in the current oscars (Mr Turner).

        Now he can forget that award.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 14, 2015, 5:13 pm

        @Krauss

        Actually, ”Mr. Turner’ was snubbed at this year’s Oscars. Many people were surprised at its failure to be nominated in any major category. Now it’s beginning to make a lot of sense….hmmm,….

        BTW didn’t know Mike Leigh was Jewish. Not that it matters, at least not to me.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on February 14, 2015, 8:08 pm

        Jonathan Miller, Miriam Margolyes.

        Both Jews, both big names.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 14, 2015, 2:20 pm

      You haven’t heard of Jarvis Cocker? Or Mike Leigh? Or Ken Loach? Or Ahdaf Soueif?

      Really?

      I know you’re trying to sound disdainful, but all you really sound is clueless.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 14, 2015, 6:12 pm

        They are the usual suspects. Yawn.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 14, 2015, 9:29 pm

        If these artistes had signed the same document, but showing support for Israel, they would suddenly know all of these celebrities, and will be singing their praises. Heh.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 15, 2015, 5:46 am

        Usual suspects? All 700 of them?

        Kay is right. If even a small fraction of these people signed a letter in favour of Israel, you’d be all over it. As would the Guardian, and much of the rest of the media too.

        But hey, you’ll always have Maureen Lipman and her BT ads. Never mind that she’s done nothing newsworthy – other than say Arabs don’t respect life like Israelis do – for several decades now.

      • Bob_Salad
        Bob_Salad on February 15, 2015, 6:26 am

        Jarvis Cocker’s a legend:

        Pulp – Sorted for E’s & Wizz

        Oh is this the way that Zionism’s meant to feel?
        Or just 2 million Gazans’ standing in a field.
        And I don’t quite understand just what this Zio thing is.
        But that’s okay ’cause we’re all sorted out for M16s.
        And tell me when the Zio spaceship lands ’cause all this has just got to mean something.

        In the middle of the night,
        It feels alright,
        But then tomorrow morning.
        Ohhhh, ohhhhh the Zios come down.

        Oh yeah the main stream media told us what was going down.
        Got the drone parts from some fucked up bloke in Camden Town (Cameron)
        Oh and no-one seems to know exactly what Zionism is.
        But that’s okay ’cause we’re all sorted out for M16s.
        At 4 o’clock the liberal Jews seems very, very, very far away.
        Alright.

        In the middle of the night,
        It feels alright,
        But then tomorrow morning.
        Ohhhh, ohhhh the Zios come down.

        Just keep expanding…
        Illegal Settlers asks your name,
        They say we’re all the same and it’s “nice one,”
        “shmendrik”
        But that’s as far as the conversation went.
        I lost my friends, I built alone,
        It’s six o’clock, I want to go home.
        But Bibi says “no way,” “not today,”
        Makes you wonder what it meant.
        And this hollow Zio feeling grows and grows and grows and grows,
        And you want to phone your mother and say,
        “Imah, I can never come home again,
        ’cause I seem to have left an important part of my brain somewhere,
        Somewhere in a field in Jerusalem.”
        Alright.

        In the middle of the night,
        It feels alright,
        But then tomorrow morning.
        Ohhhhhh then you come down.

        What if Zionism never comes down?

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 3:25 pm

        @bob_salad
        “Jarvis Cocker’s a legend”

        He sure is, a genius.

        What a super version of the lyrics of that amazing track! Excellent! Too good.

    • justicewillprevail
      justicewillprevail on February 14, 2015, 3:14 pm

      I doubt they’ve heard of you. The difference is it doesn’t impair their judgement.

    • Mooser
      Mooser on February 14, 2015, 6:47 pm

      “I haven’t heard of any of these people, except for Waters and Eno, and that was thirty years ago.”

      Why would you hear of any of them, “Jackdaw”? You aren’t assimilated are you?
      If there’s anything I can’t stand it’s a goddam assimilationist, who forsakes his own people and spends time at websites which may be critical of Israel.
      Even keeps up with the non-Jewish arts? Chagall isn’t good enough for you? What’s next, rock-and-roll? And then what? I can see you white-suited in a disco pas de deus, grinding your heels on every illuminated square of the dance-floor of Jewish tradition!

    • talknic
      talknic on February 14, 2015, 6:48 pm

      @ Jackdaw “I haven’t heard of any of these people, except for Waters and Eno, and that was thirty years ago”

      So what? Your ignorance has no effect on what they’re doing.

      BTW They haven’t heard of you …

    • straightline
      straightline on February 14, 2015, 6:58 pm

      It’s difficult to respond to such a remark without being “ad hominem”. You’re displaying your considerable ignorance, Jackdaw.

      Miriam Margolyes has been for many years a much-loved actress in Britain and Australia (where she recently became a citizen). She is the winner of many awards including BAFTA Best Supporting Actress. Jonathan Miller, the ultimate polymath, is these days regarded as one of the most important directors of opera in the world – winner of a Tony award as well as many other honours and distinctions. Jeremy Hardy is very highly regarded political comedian (winner of the Perrier Comedy Award at the Edinburgh Fringe). Ken Loach is a great film and TV director (and winner of the Palme d’Or). Krauss else mentioned Mike Leigh. I could go on!

      .

    • Marnie
      Marnie on February 15, 2015, 7:16 am

      It must be nearly impossible for you to hearing anything with the constant thrumming of the zionist earwigs. Either that or your head is located somewhere other than on top of your hyoid.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 15, 2015, 9:47 pm

        Lol Marnie. You are quite imaginative there. Heh.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye on February 15, 2015, 9:00 am

      Jackdaw, many of these people are frequently to be heard from or about on bbcR4, I probably hear (at least) three or four of their names on a *daily* basis. Just this morning signatory Mark Rylance was the “Desert Island” guest.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 15, 2015, 12:55 pm

        Mark Rylance is on the list? Respect!

        And I thought I couldn’t love him any more than I do, what with his superb performance as Thomas Cromwell in ”Wolf Hall”, the most anticipated BBC series for yonks.

        The fact that Jackdaw is proud of not knowing who one of the most – if not THE most – respected theatre actors in the world is, says an awful lot more about him than it does about Rylance.

  10. on February 14, 2015, 1:09 pm

    Phil —

    Annie’s the nazz, would like to send her my book, file works fine. Any way that can be arranged? Thanks.

  11. just
    just on February 14, 2015, 2:10 pm

    “The rising tide of BDS on California’s campuses”

    https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/566318157241921537

    Great photo @ link.

  12. just
    just on February 14, 2015, 2:49 pm

    In other good news, via Max B:

    “dancohen3000 returns home to Arizona to deliver a powerful presentation on Gaza, infuriating the local Israel lobby”

    https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/566683235573198850

    (must read, imho)

    • Walid
      Walid on February 15, 2015, 9:51 am

      “Jordan Brunner is a public relations intern at the Hillel Jewish Center at Arizona State University in Tempe.”

      Of course!

  13. Bob_Salad
    Bob_Salad on February 14, 2015, 7:43 pm

    Yes yes. Lots of really positive movements taking place in Europe at the moment. There’s a real sense of momentum building.

    I’m also wondering what kind of impact the election in May will have on the UK Israeli lobby.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 15, 2015, 5:49 am

      Very little. Ed Milliband did not dare to explicitly condemn Israel even once during the Gaza massacre, though he did condemn Hamas for ‘murdering Israeli soldiers’ – yes, soldiers. He has also tried to elide criticism of Israel with ‘antisemitism’ and is opposed to BDS.

      So, no solace there. The ‘friends of Israel’ are too powerful for mainstream politicians of any stripe to challenge.

      • Bob_Salad
        Bob_Salad on February 15, 2015, 7:10 am

        I’m thinking the ‘mainstream’ parties will be significantly weakened come the election. It’s the ascendency of the smaller, alternative parties, which have no historical ties to the Israeli lobbyists that could impact the channels of zio influence.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 15, 2015, 2:11 pm

        The alternative parties include UKIP – far-right, anti-immigrant and highly unlikely to be sympathetic towards the Palestinians – and the Greens, who won’t get more than a few seats.

        Trust me, it’s going to be same old same old after the UK elections.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 15, 2015, 2:29 pm

        That’s democracy. I can see why you’re not so keen.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 2:41 pm

        @mdm
        “Trust me, it’s going to be same old same old after the UK elections.”

        Unfortunately, I have to fully agree with you. Our foreign policy is inextricably tied to the USA. Nobody here will dare break ranks. It’s all part and parcel of the same empire. If it doesn’t change in the US then no chance of change here either.

    • Rodneywatts
      Rodneywatts on February 15, 2015, 10:38 am

      @ Bob_Salad
      @Maximus DM

      Hi Bob and Maximus

      I agree with you Bob and share your wondering of what will happen in May.

      On this occasion, Maximus, I profoundly disagree with the accuracy of your comment. Even that actress Lipman that you say such lovely things about has ditched Ed for his anti-Israel stance- see Telegraph 29th Oct. Alan Hart, the veteran ME reporter has a good piece about Labour’s loss of Jewish donors on his blog which more or less covers things up to mid nov:

      http://www.alanhart.net/will-the-blackmail-of-british-jewish-funders-backfire/

      In spite of having been a political activist for over 40 years I honestly can’t say for sure what I think will happen in May. Never has the British public been so disaffected by the political class. However one thing is certainly true; the pro-Israel lobby is weaker and the conflation of antisemitism with anti-Israel feelings no longer works. My vote is still up for grabs and I will be joining a 38 degrees demo and petition signing on behalf of the NHS on 28 Feb. I will be keeping a close watch on policies actually published, but I have to say that I am giving a lot of credit to Ed Milliband at the moment for his stand on Israel.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius on February 16, 2015, 5:31 am

        Can I ask why you put such hope in Miliband?

        I monitored his statements fairly closely during the Gaza war, and am certain that not ONCE did he criticise Israel by name. Not once. He was, however, lavish with his explicit condemnations of Hamas – like I said above, he even condemned for ‘murdering’ IDF soldiers, even though killing soldiers is by any standards a legitimate act of war. Miliband has also repeatedly criticised BDS and tried to elide anti-Zionism with anitsemitism. If he becomes PM, he will be little different from Cameron, Blair or Brown. I would be willing to bet a large sum of money on such an outcome!

        As for Lipman, she is a fanatic. Noone can ever love Israel enough, as far as she’s concerned. So I wouldn’t read too much into what she says. After all, she’s been telling us of her plans to leave the UK for the ‘safety’ of Israel, yet last time I looked, she’s still here…

      • Rodneywatts
        Rodneywatts on February 17, 2015, 5:15 pm

        @ Maximus DM

        Just getting back to reply to your comment due to finding that Alan Hart’s site was down yesterday, and wondering if you had found that the link did not work. Anyway it is back up today with another really good piece about anti-semitism and anti- Israel and the need for Jews to deconstruct the conflation:

        http://www.alanhart.net

        You wrote “Can I ask why you put so much hope in Milliband” –firstly note I had written “My vote is still up for grabs” and this is still the case. However I always give credit where it is due, and whatever you gleaned at the time of operation protective edge certainly doesn’t hold now. Don’t forget that the nonbinding vote on recognition of Palestine in Parliament was Labour whipped. (for our American friends ‘whipped’ means that all labour MP’s had to vote in favour, and Ed Milliband approved)

        Also whilst I would agree that UKIP on the face of it might be expected to support Israel, and has had a Friends of Israel group since 2009, but it also has a more recently formed Friends of Palestine group. It will be interesting to see how they flesh out their foreign policy. I suspect our opinions of one Roger Helmer would concur in any case.

  14. Bornajoo
    Bornajoo on February 15, 2015, 6:56 am

    A lot of the people on that list are artists that have made a huge impression on me. From the comedians, to the film directors and musicians; ken loach, Mike Leigh, Alexei Skype, Roger waters and loads and loads more. I grew up with their work and my own thoughts are in some way shaped by their influence

    When you find an affinity with a certain artist, whether it’s the way the write comedy, or make films, their paintings, their lyrics, you find something that resonates within you. That’s why I would have been very surprised if ANY of these great artists actually supported the rogue state of Israel. It would have been out of sync with who they are and it would have rendered that resonance with them to be nothing more than superficial. But that’s not the case, they see reality, our world views are similar and they tell the truth as you would expect them to

    I believe that this is more than just symbolic. A lot of these names may be from the ‘old guard’ of British art and culture but they are highly respected and are looked upon as heroes by the younger artists coming through. Their views and their stand against israel’s crimes will resonate with many more artists worldwide. I believe this movement will grow.

    And when it grows it will also include others that a couple of the ignorant commenters here will have heard of.

    Thanks Annie!

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba on February 15, 2015, 7:22 am

      @ Bornajoo , +2

    • American
      American on February 15, 2015, 3:03 pm

      ” If it doesn’t change in the US then no chance of change here either.
      ——Bornajoo

      Exactamondo.
      US is ground zero ….if a war or sufficient unrest is needed for change its needed right down here in River City .
      Might sound strange to advocate such but reality is reality…..the US government and several elements of the US need a giant purge.

  15. Kay24
    Kay24 on February 15, 2015, 8:34 am

    The Chapel Hill Massacre Blues – The New Yorker

    A very interesting article:

    http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/guns-chapel-hill-myth-american-vigilante

    • Walid
      Walid on February 15, 2015, 9:42 am

      Belittling the event started from the moment it happened. It’s either not talked about or when it is, it’s all about poor Hicks and his parking problems. In another week, the story itself will be dead. Compare it to what happened in Denmark yesterday; from the first moment it was all about terrorism and about people wanting to kill Jews. The Danish police put out a notice and a physical description for the suspect from the surveillance cameras and said that he looked “Arab”. This morning Netanyahu said that Islamist terrorists killed Jews in Denmark when it’s still unknown who the shooter is.The campaign is in full swing now.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 15, 2015, 9:49 pm

        The killer is a criminal, who was jailed, and just released, for aggravated assault. That will be secondary to the Muslim terrorist narrative.

      • TonyRiley
        TonyRiley on February 16, 2015, 11:25 am

        He was a Danish-born Arab, who targeted a synagogue. He was radicalised in prison, but not by Jews.

  16. amigo
    amigo on February 15, 2015, 8:48 am

    The new litmus test for being a talented artist is measured by how much you love Israel.

    You no like Israel , you garbage.You like Israel you fantastico bellisimo world class artieeest.

    Oh the workings of the zionist mind.

  17. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye on February 15, 2015, 9:34 am

    Off topic bit of fluff:
    http://theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/14/london-mayor-boris-johnson-to-renounce-us-citizenship

    London mayor Boris Johnson wants to renounce his US citizenship. Grauni speculates it’s to clear the way for his ambitions to be PM at some future time. I reckon it’s to avoid being pounced on by the IRS again!

    • John O
      John O on February 15, 2015, 12:19 pm

      Having an American mother never stopped Winston Churchill. And I’m sure you’re right about Boris

  18. W.Jones
    W.Jones on February 16, 2015, 12:49 pm

    In other UK news, Anglican priest Stephen Sizer has been banned from writing or speaking on the Middle East. Sizer is one of the authors of Kairos Britain and a Sabeel keynote speaker.

    Bishop Watson said: “It is therefore my decision that Stephen’s work in this area is no longer compatible with his ministry as a parish priest.

    “In order for Stephen to remain in parish ministry, I have therefore asked for – and received from him – a solemn undertaking, in writing, that he is to refrain entirely from writing or speaking on any theme that relates, either directly or indirectly, to the current situation in the Middle East or to its historical backdrop.”

    The bishop said Mr Sizer had promised to refrain, with no exceptions, from attendance at or participation in any conferences which promote or are linked to this agenda and from all writing, tweeting, blogging, emailing, preaching and teaching on these themes, whether formally or informally. The prohibition includes posting links to other sites and from all background work in this area which may resource others to act as spokespeople in Stephen’s stead.

    Bishop Watson said: “Should Stephen be deemed by the diocese to have broken this agreement, in letter or in spirit, he has pledged to offer me his immediate resignation, which I will duly accept. He has also agreed to desist from the use of social media entirely for the next six months, after which he and I will review that prohibition.”

    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/rev.stephen.sizer.banned.from.social.media.over.9.11.conspiracy.post/47748.htm

    • seanmcbride
      seanmcbride on February 16, 2015, 6:40 pm

      W.Jones,

      “In order for Stephen to remain in parish ministry, I have therefore asked for – and received from him – a solemn undertaking, in writing, that he is to refrain entirely from writing or speaking on any theme that relates, either directly or indirectly, to the current situation in the Middle East or to its historical backdrop.”

      The terms Orwellian, Stalinist, etc. come immediately to mind. Total thought control on the subject of Israel — with severe punishments for voicing independent thinking of any kind.

      There have been hundreds of assaults on free speech by pro-Israel activists over recent years — and yet they continue to hold up Israel and Zionism as a beacon of Western democratic values.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones on February 19, 2015, 4:00 pm

        Under Stalinism, a person would not be banned from discussing a topic. At most, the censorship would be that the person would recant “bad” views, which he would be expected to avoid repeating. The person would still be allowed to express views supporting the “right” position.

        The worst problem with the ban on Sizer isn’t even that he can’t criticize Israeli politics. It’s that if he wants to provide non-political humanitarian aid to people suffering in the Middle East, namely his fellow Christians, then he is prevented from doing so. He can’t write a letter to some kid whose parents got killed in an Israeli bombing that he feels sorry for their loss.

    • talknic
      talknic on February 16, 2015, 11:52 pm

      @ DoubleStandard
      February 16, 2015, 1:25 pm

      Uh huh… Say … you’re an MW user

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