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A lot has been going on on the diplomatic front over the U.S., Israel, and Iran over the weekend. Things are on a boil because of Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu’s upcoming speech to Congress in March, the Israeli elections that month, and the impending deadline at the end of the month on the P5+1 talks with Iran.

Here are some of the reports. First, David Ignatius in the Washington Post has published a widely-circulated story on a supposed breakdown in confidence between the U.S. and Israel because Netanyahu allegedly leaked details of the U.S. negotiating position that President Obama had conveyed him in confidence to Israeli journalists.

The decision [by the U.S.] to reduce the exchange of sensitive information about the Iran talks was prompted by concerns that Netanyahu’s office had given Israeli journalists sensitive details of the U.S. position, including a U.S. offer to allow Iran to enrich uranium with 6,500 or more centrifuges as part of a final deal….

An initial report Sunday by Israel’s Channel 2 news that the administration had cut all communications with Israel about the Iran talks was denied by White House spokesman Alistair Baskey. Sources here said that Philip Gordon, the Middle East director for President Obama’s National Security Council, would see Israeli national security adviser Yossi Cohen and other senior officials on Monday. The discussion would include Iran policy, but U.S. officials aren’t likely to share the latest information about U.S. strategy in the talks.

Ignatius’s tick-tock on the spat goes back before the invitation from the Republican leadership of Congress to Netanyahu to speak following Obama’s State of the Union speech.

This latest breach in the U.S.-Israeli relationship began around Jan. 12 with a phone call from Netanyahu. Obama asked the Israeli leader to hold fire diplomatically for several more months while U.S. negotiators explored whether Iran might agree to a deal that, through its technical limits on centrifuges and stockpiles, extended the breakout period that Iran would need to build a bomb to more than a year. But Netanyahu is said to have responded that a year wasn’t enough and to have reverted to Israel’s hard-line insistence that Iran shouldn’t be allowed any centrifuges or enrichment.

Obama was concerned because the United States had shared with Israel its goal of a one-year breakout period since the beginning of the talks. The White House saw Netanyahu’s comment as a change, one that could potentially scuttle the negotiations. The Israeli response is that Netanyahu has always argued for “zero enrichment.”

Relations began to unravel quickly after the phone call. On Jan. 21, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) invited Netanyahu to address Congress and share his concerns about the talks. The invitation hadn’t been pre-negotiated with the White House, as is usually the case when foreign leaders are invited to address Congress.

Then came the alleged leaks about the nuclear talks. On Jan. 31, the Times of Israel reported that an unnamed senior Israeli official had told Channel 10 TV news that the United States was ready to allow more than 7,000 centrifuges and had “agreed to 80 percent of Iran’s demands.” Channel 2 reported that the U.S. offer was 6,500 centrifuges. U.S. officials believed that Netanyahu’s office was the source of these reports and concluded that they couldn’t be as transparent as before with the Israel leader about the secret talks.

Ignatius sees it all coming to a head in March:

The Iran issue will come to a head next month. Netanyahu’s speech to Congress is scheduled for March 3. Israeli elections, in which Netanyahu is running against a coalition of more moderate Israeli politicians, will take place March 17. The deadline for reaching a framework deal in the Iran negotiations is March 24. It’s a month that could shape the future of the Middle East, not to mention the U.S.-Israeli relationship, for years to come.

At Vox, Max Fisher channels neoconservativism in deploring the apparent intelligence breakdown between the U.S. and Israel:

Some proponents of a nuclear deal with Iran may welcome this news as demonstrating that Netanyahu is a bad actor who should be sidelined from the negotiations process. But this would be misguided, and even proponents of a deal should worry about this development. One reason that Iran is willing to negotiate at all is that the US has succeeded in putting enormous pressure on the country and its nuclear program — often with crucial Israeli help. That has meant both gathering intelligence and, in cases such as the 2010 cyberattack on centrifuges via the Stuxnet virus, offensive operations.

Yes, what a great partnership. At Lobelog, Jim Lobe has rerun a post he first ran three years ago, detailing Netanyahu’s horrid advice to the U.S. on the urgent need to invade Iraq. Excerpt of Netanyahu’s counsel in 2002:

the question of time [for taking preemptive action], I think the sooner the better. But now the question is when you choose a target, I think Iraq brings two things, a confluence of two things. One, it is sufficiently important in this network to have a tremendous effect. If it collapses, it will have a beneficial seismic effect

Lobe’s piece is titled, “Lest We Forget: Bibi’s ‘Wisdom’ on Iraq.” Lobe writes:

Republican members of Congress say they are eagerly waiting to hear directly from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on why the nuclear deal being negotiated between the United States and its P5+1 partners (including its three closest NATO allies) and Iran is so dangerous…. Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) [wrote] in a letter signed by 47 of his House Republican colleagues in support of Speaker Boehner’s invitation to Bibi last week. “It is necessary now for Congress to hear from Prime Minister Netanyahu, and welcome his expertise on Iran’s regional designs.”

Which, of course, brings to mind once again Netanyahu’s demonstrated regional expertise in his enthusiastic promotion of the invasion of Iraq in testimony before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on September 12, 2002. His appearance was transparently part of the Bush administration’s (and the neoconservatives’) campaign to persuade Congress to approve the Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF) against Iraq—which it did one month later, on October 16, 2002.

Bibi’s timing was superb; he spoke on the day after the first anniversary of 9/11 and five days after Vice President Dick Cheney told “Meet the Press” that, “We do know, with absolute certainty, that he is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs in order to enrich uranium to build a nuclear weapon.”

The excerpts of Netanyahu’s “wisdom” are to die for. Chris Matthews really owes it to his viewership to air this testimony in advance of Netanyahu’s visit.

Netanyahu greets Giuliani, Feb. 1, 2015

Netanyahu greets Giuliani, Feb. 1, 2015

More in the unhinged department. Former NY Mayor Rudolph Giuliani met Netanyahu two weeks ago (above). Now he calls Obama a “moron” for dealing with Iran.

[Talking to Iran] is like playing poker with a guy who cheated you twice before. You know who does that? A moron. An agreement with Iran in to regard to nuclear power should be very simple. Iran should not be allowed to have any form of nuclear power…. The Ayatollah is insane. He’s like the guy walking around Bellevue Hospital thinking he’s George Washington. He’s a madman.. And we’re upset that Prime Minister Netanyahu wants to come here and defend his country?

The Netanyahu speech is doing great things for our country. It’s allowing Americans to talk about what’s in our interest and what’s in Israel’s, and distinguishing between the two categories. Thanks to Annie Robbins.

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  1. Marshall on February 16, 2015, 8:20 pm

    Lol. The pathetic attempt to find *something* we have to thank Netanyahu for induces many chuckles. Stuxnet! Yeah, thanks a lot.

    • RoHa on February 16, 2015, 9:56 pm

      “Stuxnet! Yeah, thanks a lot”

      I suspect that Stuxnet played a role in the Fukushima disaster. If so, I, all the members of my family who live next to the Pacific, and especially those who live in Japan, have cause to be really grateful for that. It will be a long time before that gift stops giving.

      • hophmi on February 17, 2015, 4:50 am

        Based on what, exactly?

      • Mooser on February 17, 2015, 10:49 am

        “Based on what, exactly?”

        Please, Hophmi, you would do better to extend to others the same privileges you demand for yourself!

      • RoHa on February 18, 2015, 12:46 am

        Based on the following.

        1. Stuxnet is allegedly and Israeli/US joint product, intended to shut down the Iranian nuclear programme.

        2. The security at Fukushima was provided by Israeli firm Magna BSP. Shortly after Magna started operations, Stuxnet cropped up on computers all over Japan. The Magna people scurried off back to Israel shortly before the disaster. The system they instsalled included an internet link back to Israel.

        3. Stuxnet works by disrupting Siemens industrial hydraulic control systems, while sending normal readings to the control stations.

        4. The cooling systems which failed at Fukushima were controlled by Siemens software. They failed in the way Stuxnet causes failure.

        5. One system was not on Siemens software. That one kept running.

        Not proof, but reason for suspicion.

      • Daniel Rich on February 19, 2015, 3:05 am

        @ RoHa,

        Q: I suspect that Stuxnet played a role in the Fukushima disaster.

        R: No. That is building a 21ft wall and embracing a 66ft wave of water that engulfs it. It completely disrupted whatever backup/s TEPCO had and the result, well.. we all know what happened next.

        But if memory surfs serves me well, Stuxnet did rear its ugly head elsewhere…

        “However, Stuxnet appears to have spread unintentionally and well beyond its targets. Part of the reason is in the design of Stuxnet, which needs to spread in order to increase its chance of infecting an industrial control system via a removable drive used with an infected computer. It is important for governments to approach the question of whether using a tool like Stuxnet could open the door to future national security risks or adversely and unintentionally affect U.S. allies” – ISIS [no pun intended]

      • RoHa on February 19, 2015, 5:55 pm

        “That is building a 21ft wall and embracing a 66ft wave of water that engulfs it. It completely disrupted whatever backup/s TEPCO had”

        Bit more complicated than that. Even under those conditions, it should have been possible to shut the thing down fairly safely.

        “and the result, well.. we all know what happened next.”

        Actually, we don’t. It is still not clear exactly what went wrong, and what is happening there right now.

    • Krauss on February 17, 2015, 6:34 am

      Netanyahu has actually been helpful in keeping up the pressure. It’s doubtful if America would have had the discipline to do it themselves.

      His craziness has forced a certain hardline minimum threshold in the American position.
      It won’t be enough. Of course Iran is developing a bomb; it would be utterly stupid if it weren’t.

      But the thing is that Iran is many things, but it is not stupid and it is not irrational. An Iran with nuclear bomb capability wouldn’t use it, nor leak it to some random terrorist group.

      This is what is revealing, because Israel here is trying to remain the sole nuclear power in the ME. That’s what this is all about. Nothing else. And the thing is; the U.S. can live with a nuclear Iran.

      So it splits into the wide open the lie that “America’s and Israel’s interests are one and the same”. Nah.

      • Citizen on February 17, 2015, 11:32 am

        Meanwhile, US mainstream media is not educating the people on why Iran is not a threat, and why it could help core US interests.

      • Atlantaiconoclast on February 17, 2015, 3:07 pm

        There is no evidence to support your claim that Iran is building a nuke. I think it has the right to build one, but I see no evidence it is.

      • Kathleen on February 17, 2015, 10:06 pm

        “Of course Iran is developing a bomb, it would be utterly stupid if it weren’t” There is no hard evidence that Iran “is developing a bomb.” Zero

  2. Jethro on February 16, 2015, 8:49 pm

    Why isn’t the declassification of the 1987 report on Israel’s nukes a big story? And why’d you take reference to it out of this post?

    • Ellen on February 17, 2015, 5:53 am

      Good question . The story is practically nowhere . It is a hot potatoe subject, but now with the report released to the public, it is safe to factually report on.

      Here is an interesting analysis/commentary:

      It’s a good starting point for Journalists to get up to speed.

      Let’s see if the story — which is extremely news-worthy– is covered at all, or buried deep.

      • Kathleen on February 17, 2015, 9:28 am

        Certainly would not count on the Washington Post or David Ignatius to factually report or “get up to speed” on anything having to do with Israel and their activities. The WaPo has been a well established gatekeeper for all things Israel for decades. David Ignatius not far behind.

    • Pixel on February 17, 2015, 12:03 pm

      Phil, I’d like you to write a post specifically on this topic.

      It’s that important.

  3. Kay24 on February 16, 2015, 8:55 pm

    What Netanyahu has done can be called SEDITION, what Boehner has done can be called TREASON. IF this does result in divorce, so be it. Netanyahu has caused trouble within our nation, made the Congress go against their own President. Have we EVER seen anything like this anywhere in the world?

    “Republicans harden partisan lines over Israel
    02/16/15 10:01 AM

    By Steve Benen
    Just when it seemed the political dispute surrounding the Republican/Netanyahu partnership couldn’t get any uglier, the GOP leader who instigated the fight managed to make matters worse.
    Republican House Speaker John Boehner on Sunday defended his decision to invite Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak before Congress, despite vocal opposition from the White House.

    Boehner said he purposefully instructed Israel’s Ambassador to the United States, Ron Dermer, not to tell the White House about the invitation. “I wanted to make sure there was no interference,” he told Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday.”
    The context is almost amusing, in a macabre sort of way. The Speaker of the House decided to partner with a foreign government to help undermine the foreign policy of the United States, and he did this in secret because he didn’t want “interference” from those responsible for shaping U.S. foreign policy. The follow-up question I desperately wanted Wallace to ask Boehner was, “Do you even hear yourself?”

    For that matter, Haaretz, a leading Israeli newspaper, added yesterday, “Boehner’s remarks contradict the earlier claim by him and his staff that he gave the White House sufficient warning about the Netanyahu invite.”

    Correct. The House Speaker not only went behind the president’s back in the hopes of sabotaging American diplomatic efforts, he now also appears to have been caught fibbing about it.

    In the same Fox News interview yesterday, Boehner added, “The fact is that we had every right to do what we did.” That’s probably true. There is no law or written rule that prevents American lawmakers from partnering with foreign officials to undermine American foreign policy. But there are norms and protocols, and for about two centuries, responsible U.S. officials realized that such actions were simply beyond the pale.

    Maybe someday, the hapless House Speaker will realize that having “every right” to do something does not make the action just.

    In the meantime, while Republicans try to politicize U.S. support for Israel, and assorted partisans cheer on the Boehner/Netanyahu debacle, five former Israeli ambassadors have publicly called on the Prime Minister to cancel his scheduled March 3 address.
    Ynet News spoke with former ambassadors Moshe Arens, Moshe Arad, Itamar Rabinovich, Shimon Peres, Danny Ayalon, Sallai Meridor, and Michael Oren, Dermer’s immediate predecessor. Their combined service dates back to the early 1980s.

    “If the prime minister is perceived to be meddling in US politics, it has implications for the Jewish community,” Arad said…. Or as Rabinovich put it most succinctly: “He made a mistake – period.”
    For every pundit and partisan who wants to suggest that Netanyahu speaks for all Jews, and that those who question his GOP gambit are somehow anti-Israel, the evidence to contrary is overwhelming.” MSNBC

    Good article Phil, as you have pointed out, despite the various criticism from many sources, it seems Bibi is hell bent on showing the world, he can connive with the opposition leader in the US and turn him against his own President. The word UNPATRIOTIC comes to mind.

    • just on February 16, 2015, 10:02 pm

      The twice- elected President of the United States of America, whose responsibility is the foreign policy and national security of the US and its citizens, is blindsided and undermined by the Speaker of the House in cahoots with the PM of an apartheid, welfare, nuclear armed state so that he will not “interfere” with Israel’s goals.

      Freaking unprecedented, nefarious, and Tom Clancy worthy if we were witnessing a Hollywood thriller… but this is today, 2015, and it’s real.

      You’re right Phil:

      “The Netanyahu speech is doing great things for our country. It’s allowing Americans to talk about what’s in our interest and what’s in Israel’s, and distinguishing between the two categories.”

      Can someone please tell me what Israel has ever done for us? Why not normalize relations with Iran? It’s a win- win.

      A divorce is the best thing for all of the children, after all. Pretty song and sentiment that has been the status quo for so long. I hope that the veto, the $$$$$, the disrespect, and the interference is over…..let’s finally be honest and not hypocrites. Thank you Netanyahu, Boehner, Dermer, AIPAC, et al.

      • Kay24 on February 16, 2015, 10:15 pm

        Why, Israel has spied on us, protected the JDL who killed an American in CA, bombed our USS Liberty, taken the most aid from us, used our weapons against civilians in Gaza, and it’s PM has disrespected our nation, our WH, and our President, to further his war mongering, and to show just who “controls” America, and can “move it easily”. With an ally like this, who needs enemies?

        Israel is a parasite that keeps feeding on the blood of America (and Congress just won’t swat it away).

      • JeffB on February 17, 2015, 12:22 am


        I remember when the twice elected president of the United States was having his foreign policy in Nicaragua undermined by the Speaker and liberals didn’t seem to mind too much. I certainly remember about 7-8 years ago when the twice elected president was being constrained by the speaker and many of the same people who are so offended today didn’t mind much.

        The president implements the policies of the congress. That’s his job. I think Obama’s policies do reflect the American people, but ultimately Boehner, McConnell and their respective bodies not Obama are the final authority on that.

      • Mooser on February 17, 2015, 10:55 am

        “I remember when the twice elected president of the United States was having his foreign policy in Nicaragua undermined by the Speaker and liberals didn’t seem to mind too much.”

        You can always count on JeffyB to give a few great laughs in the morning.
        The “foreign policy” JeffyB is talking about here is what is popularly known as “death squads” and “Iran-Contra”.

        The “policy” I may add, of the only gen-u-ine Saint America has ever had as a President, St. Ronnie of Dementia.

      • mariapalestina on February 17, 2015, 1:03 pm

        I agree it’s time for a divorce. I just hope we don’t get stuck with a huge settlement and billions of dollars annually in alimony payments.

    • ziusudra on February 17, 2015, 3:49 am

      Greetings Kay24,
      Why are we informing Israel of the Iran talks? Because we are in cohoots with them on future US hegemony of the Levant & ME. Bibi is our Partner in crime. So we parce about pros & cons
      of protocol. Bibi is a master of Diklum: state & repeat till it becomes accepted. He & O’Bloomers know that Iran has, nor wants Nukes. His side show of a speech short steps our policies to not war with Iran. Bibi will no longer have an invite till O’Blooomers presidency is over. This is not worth Bibi’s interest playing such a farce. Iran is no danger for Israel, Bibi is.

      • Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 11:36 am

        I agree, so far all the threatening, doomsday scenarios, and drama, seems to come from Bibi himself. The Iranians have conducted themselves with some dignity. Bibi has held up cartoon bombs, thumped his chest, and has cried the sky is falling for years.

        BIbi is indeed a threat to Israel, and has warned it will get worse the next four years – because of his policies I am sure.

    • NickJOCW on February 17, 2015, 9:01 am

      Kay24, “Have we EVER seen anything like this anywhere in the world?”

      I have long been tantalised by the notion of a parallel between Rhodes/Rome and Israel/US. Rhodes was well sited for Rome strategically, and flourished as a protected ally, the main Mediterranean slave market, and an open trading centre. Polybius describes how after the great earthquake …not only did they comport themselves in such a way as to receive lavish gifts but the givers themselves felt that a favour was being bestowed on them. However, in the Third Macedonian War Rhodes’ absolute loyalty to Rome appeared doubtful and she fell from Roman favour. Unaffected by anything that had passed before, Rome simply encouraged Delos to set up a free port and markets, which pulled the economic carpet from under Rhodes’ feet and her revenues dropped over 80%.

    • Kathleen on February 17, 2015, 9:31 am

      Certainly would not count on the Washington Post or David Ignatius to factually report or “get up to speed” on anything having to do with Israel and their activities. The WaPo has been a well established gatekeeper for all things Israel for decades. David Ignatius not far behind.

    • just on February 17, 2015, 9:50 am

      “The president implements the policies of the congress. That’s his job. I think Obama’s policies do reflect the American people, but ultimately Boehner, McConnell and their respective bodies not Obama are the final authority on that.”

      JeffB~ Really?

      I guess that you really don’t know the evolution of the role of the President of the US. You can read a bit here:

      PS~ I can only assume that you are a GW fan. Super.

    • piotr on February 17, 2015, 10:44 pm

      JeffB noted that Congress can nix a foreign policy of the President, and that happened when the President insisting on aiding terrorist gangs popularly known as Contras by exercising its power of the purse, i.e. prohibiting spending money on it. Then the minions of the President solicited money from some strange individuals, like Sultan of Brunei, and the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, in the latter case, in exchange for weapons and spare parts for airplanes. Then the President testified, in the most convincing manner, that he has no idea of what is going on: I recall the feebly shaking head and bewildered expression as if it were today. On that basis, one could venture an opinion that Congress sabotaged a policy about which the President had no idea. If so, hardly a case of disrespect for the exalted office.

      However, here we have something quite different. Ordinarily, the President negotiates treaties as he wishes, with no overt interference, and then the Congress can ratify or throw the policy to a waste basket, usually by refusing to pass relevant bills. Interference in negotiations themselves is breaking the tradition. Plus it is unpopular, so Netanyahu and Bo

  4. a blah chick on February 16, 2015, 9:17 pm

    None dare call it treason…if it’s just about money.

  5. radii on February 16, 2015, 9:44 pm

    I hope if Bibi falls before the end of Obama’s term and he is without office for a period of time (thus no diplomatic immunity) that our CIA renditions him and turns him over to our FBI to face charges for stealing U.S. nuclear triggers in the 80s and that he faces the death penalty

  6. traintosiberia on February 16, 2015, 10:55 pm

    0–“This statement — with its echoes of President Obama’s vague references to “violent extremists” uncoupled from the fundamentalist Islam to which said throat-cutting extremists pledge allegiance — scarcely stands up to scrutiny. It is empty talk

    Over the more than 13 years since Al Qaeda attacked America on 9/11, we have seen trains blown up in Madrid, the Tube and a bus bombed in London, Western journalists beheaded, the staff of Charlie Hebdo slaughtered, Jews killed in France and Belgium and now Denmark. This is not the work of a “dark ideology” but of jihadi terror”

    Richard Cohen should try to prevent any further worsening of the secuirty of the Jeiwsh people .To do that he has to confront his own PM -Netanyahu ,and ask him to admit the stupidy of attacking a country that has not attacked it.

    But connecting the obvious dots is not Cohen’s s strength .

    Neither is the numerical skill.
    How many mulims ahve died in the hand oF Israel? How many have succumbed to the Islamphobia manufcatured by Israel?

    • ckg on February 17, 2015, 11:14 am

      Roger Cohen, in some of his ethnically reflexive columns, can appear to be Richard Cohen, equally asinine but more eloquent, so it’s easy to confuse them when they write about Israel.

  7. piotr on February 16, 2015, 11:39 pm

    Guliani: The Ayatollah is insane. He’s like the guy walking around Bellevue Hospital thinking he’s George Washington. Believe me, I know what I am talking about, been there, done that.

    • Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 6:06 am

      It is Gulliani who is shameless and unpatriotic, and it is Netanyahu who is out of control and insane.

      This one is for nutty Netty:

    • Felice Gelman on February 17, 2015, 9:55 am

      Assuming Giuliani is referring to his own tenure as mayor when he felt he was so indispensable that he should remain in office after his term expired. I hadn’t realized until he made the statement that he was suffering from the delusion that he was George Washington.

      • philadelphialawyer on February 22, 2015, 1:31 pm

        Yeah, the irony, and the lack of awareness of it, as well as lack of self awareness generally, is pretty astounding. Here we have a guy who never held higher office than mayor, and that fifteen years ago, pontificating, calling the President names, and so on, while claiming that a man who actually IS a national leader is like a mentally disturbed person with delusions of grandeur!

        Even as mayor, Giuliani was grossly overrated, merely because he happened to be in office when 9/11 occurred. Despite the endless hero worshipping, which he did everything to encourage (he was on TV continually, reaching the point where he was announcing the bus route changes and schedules at his at least once daily “news” conferences!), other than not run away (as President Bush did), Giuliani did absolutely nothing to warrant the adulation he received and helped engineer. Then, as mentioned, he tried to parlay that into a partial or full third term, with or without re election, and in contravention of the newly approved city charter. Failing that, he has shamelessly used 9/11 as the basis of a presidential campaign, as fodder for his for fee lectures, the books he has allegedly written, and his phony “security” business, and as a way of generally maintaining his celebrity status. Even though, again, he did nothing to prevent 9/11 (how could he, as the mere mayor of a city?), and, after the fact, he did nothing more that any minimally competent person would have done.

        Where his FP expertise in general, or on Iran in particular, comes from, is anybody’s guess. Before his mayoral terms, he was a US Attorney. Thus, as far as I can tell, there is no basis whatsoever for his rants. He really is a like a mentally deranged person who thinks he has some exalted status.

  8. Kay24 on February 16, 2015, 11:49 pm

    This man who once sat before the senate and vowed that there was “NO QUESTION” that Saddam had nuclear weapons, “NO QUESTION”, was horribly WRONG about it. So what makes anyone think he is right about Iran? He is basically a low life war monger, who incites and provokes, the US into wars, by fabrications. This is an old video, but check out how detailed he is, and how he spews the false propaganda against Iraq. It seems Boehner, the wimpy congress, and even the extremely rabid zionist, Gulliani, ALL want war with IRAN, and support this well known, despicable, war criminal, who by the way, looks a real drama king, considered his tall tales did not come true.

    Liar, liar, pants on fire.

    • Marnie on February 17, 2015, 7:06 am

      It’s incredible to watch the ease with which Net’N’Yahoooo lies his ass off. What I can’t understand is how he has bushwacked the patch of dirt he calls the home of all Jews, and the United States. But really, if anyone looks like a moron, Mr. Guiliani, it’s that a$$hole looking back at you over your bathroom sink every morning. Can’t get over the utter and complete lack of respect for President Obama.

      • Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 10:01 am

        Lying is second nature to Nuttyahoo Marnie. Even President Sarkozy called him a liar, which would have shamed anyone with a conscience. Gulliani is a flake, and has been accused of many things, including deceiving his previous wife and family. Obviously he must be benefitting from lucrative contracts from various Jewish firms, or else he would not be openly attacking Obama.
        He must please some zionist master somewhere.

      • Mooser on February 17, 2015, 11:03 am

        “He must please some zionist master somewhere.”

        In his column of a few days ago, Uri Avnery says, at some length, that Netanyahoo is a wholly-owned property of Sheldon Adelson. And Adelson pretty much owns Israel through a free right-wing newspaper.

  9. hophmi on February 17, 2015, 12:21 am

    Lol. Lots of wishful thinking going on here in the cult.

    • eGuard on February 17, 2015, 9:07 am

      A response to the Netanyahu video right above?

      • Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 12:02 pm

        Sounds like that eh?

    • lonely rico on February 17, 2015, 1:29 pm

      Lots of wishful thinking going on here at the cult.

      You nailed it hophmee.
      MW is an ism, and if you don’t call them out it’ll just get worse.
      Next thing you know they’ll be inventing all sorts of stuff –
      ethnic cleansing
      maimed children
      manipulating foreign governments

      You know how they are –
      delusional, and what’s worse,
      they believe their hallucinations to be true !

      Thanks hophmee for the wisdom you bring to this Barmecidal deception.

    • Kris on February 17, 2015, 2:53 pm

      So glad to see you here, hophmi, because I hope you can explain this. Yesterday, Mayhem said,
      “… On the other hand our ‘Palestinian’ (sic) counterparts have truly adopted a narrative that will not entertain any accommodation to the Jewish predicament…”

      Please, hophmi, What is the “Jewish predicament”????? I’m afraid Mayhem is off today, and might not get around to explaining the Jewish predicament, and how the Palestinians should accommodate to it.

      I’m not being snarky; I really want to know!

      • Kris on February 17, 2015, 5:35 pm

        My link doesn’t work, so here it is again:

        “… On the other hand our ‘Palestinian’ (sic) counterparts have truly adopted a narrative that will not entertain any accommodation to the Jewish predicament…”

      • Mooser on February 17, 2015, 8:54 pm

        Kris, while I’d be the last, or next to last, to question your right to ask Hopmi that question, or Hophmi’s to answer it, I thought Mayhem made it pretty clear: Mayhem’s Jewish predicament is feeling abnormal, and feeling illegitimate. That’s his predicament, and he thinks Zionism is the medicament.

      • Kris on February 17, 2015, 10:29 pm

        Thank you, Mooser, for trying to help me out with this.

        I guess I was hoping that “the Jewish predicament” would be reality-based, something that people of good will could help to resolve. But apparently it’s a mental health issue. :-(

  10. David Doppler on February 17, 2015, 12:30 am

    I think it is time for the Obama Administration to make an unconstrained rejection of Likud-Neocon ideology, which can be summarized as: destroy every Arab-Islamic country in the Middle East , that will not make a deal with the Israel and the Americans, so as to allow Israel to continue to expand its settlements in the West Bank, and oppress the Palestinians and Arab-Israelis, as occupied population and second class citizens; use influence in US and European capitals to engage the Western World in a Clash of Civilization with the Islamic World, under cover of which, Israel can continue to expand and ethnically cleanse. This Neocon ideology was ultimately (too late) rejected by George W. Bush, his father, and every realist in foreign policy. It seems to be embraced only by hard-core Likud-favoring Zionists, right-wing “Christian Zionists,” Cheney-Rumsfeld and their ilk, and various media outlets in the habit of taking direction from CAMERA and ADL, who have now tried to call a whoa to Netanyahu’s over-the-top heavi-handedness.

    Credulous “journalists” need to finally ask, why would America take seriously the false alarms being sounded continuously by Netanyahu-Likud-Neocons, while they continuously fan the flames of race-based, religious-based bigotry and hatred. How are the alarms sounded by Netanyahu about Iran any different that the alarms he sounded 20 years ago about Iran, and falsely 13 years about Iraq?

    Throw the bums out.

    • JeffB on February 18, 2015, 8:55 am


      When the Iraq war started it had the approval of 73% of the population. That’s far more than just fringe. Deal with reality that many of the neocon views are popular because they represent long standing American opinion on issues of foreign policy.

      Iran funded terrorism against USA soldiers in Iraq. That’s pretty close to a direct attack on the United States. Iran being opposed to the USA establishing a USA ally in Iraq had nothing to do with the Palestinians. They opposed us for their own reasons and as a consequence heightened the already existing hostility towards their regime. Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are the ones in Tehran screaming “death to America”. That is the Iranians.

      • annie on February 19, 2015, 12:17 pm

        neocon views are popular because they represent long standing American opinion on issues of foreign policy.

        Iran funded terrorism against USA soldiers in Iraq.

        if your first sentence was correct (it isn’t) the cheney admin would not have had to cook up fake evidence to force feed the american public. they would not have had those weekly meetings in the white house ..i forget the name of them, to cook evidence. and the multi million dollar propaganda campaign accompanying our invasion. (see lincoln group) or john rendon The Man Who Sold the War

        During the run-up to the Iraqi war, the Bush Administration hired “perception management” expert John Rendon to sell the public and journalists on the merits of the war. For $16 million, Rendon fed journalists, including Judith Miller of The New York Times, bogus intelligence about Iraq’s WMD program.

        please provide a non-neocon source to support the allegation in your second sentence. no winep quotes or articles based on neocon think tanks. hopefully, this won’t lead to another 7 paragraph screed. just the link will do.

  11. W.Jones on February 17, 2015, 12:32 am

    I think that what Netanyahu has lost is that Leahy, Biden, and a few other politicians skipped his speech, marking a moment of publicly noticeable disagreement between some noteworthy legislators and the Israeli government. Also, the incident makes it less likely that Netanyahu’s Iran legislation in the US legislature will pass with enough Democrat support.

    What Netanyahu might win though is that he might still get his packed legislature with about 30 standing ovations from everybody all over again for whatever he says, this time the focus being his opposition to Obama’s Iran negotiations. So he could probably “win” the US legislature’s overt clapping and “celebration” of his talking points on the question, making himself look like he gets far more bipartisan support from the US legislature than America’s own president does.

    • Kathleen on February 17, 2015, 9:35 am

      W Jones totally agree. And those that participate in the standing ovation for Bibi will expose once again that U.S. National Security (and ultimately Israel’s) is not the first priority in this circumstance.

  12. CloakAndDagger on February 17, 2015, 12:57 am

    This is so sweet! As I have predicted before, this is the tipping point. This will see a lot of media coverage and the citizenry cannot hep but be educated.

    The time has finally come. The dam will break soon.

    • CloakAndDagger on February 17, 2015, 1:11 am

      And how classy of Giuliani to call his own president a moron, while supporting a foreign potentate!

      • Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 9:05 am

        You mean the thrice married Gulliani, who one article says:

        ” He brought his mistress into the Mayor’s mansion while his wife and children was still living there, forcing her to go to court to stop him, and had his lawyer savagely attack Hanover. Later, when he finally was man enough to seek a divorce, he announced it on live TV — without telling his wife or kids first.”

        Yeah, real classy guy, and he calls Obama, still married to the same woman, a moron.
        How ironic.

      • piotr on February 17, 2015, 9:55 am

        You mean “potentate” or “a pet of an American businessman, who in turn is dependent on Communist China that can squash his main business venture at any time – simply send investigators to his casinos”.

        In a major scheme of things the whole affair makes sense from Chinese point of view: Iran forced to rely on Russia and China, and Russia to rely on China, and China is the god guy. Irrational American policies that do not have direct negative effect on China are simply improving their position. Adelson is also doing well: Netanyahu on his mantelpiece is a tchotchke that properly impresses his tycoon friends; he also tried to get a tchotchke of all tchotchkes, a personalized American president, but that is much harder: even several hundred million dollars are not that great of an amount in the multi-billion landscape of American politics.

        As for non-tycoon American, at the moment there are two choices: ignore the reality or get depressed.

      • piotr on February 17, 2015, 9:59 am

        Sorry, I did not connect my remarks to Guliani. He seems to be like Shmuel Boteach: making a carrier as a minion of some powerful folks, so as long as he spews what they like he is doing fine, makes a living, gets media coverage etc.

  13. Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 1:05 am

    Ron Dermer says Netanyahu speech worth riling Obama:

    “Israeli ambassador: Netanyahu bid to influence Iran deal worth price of ties with Obama
    Israeli diplomats tell Haaretz they know Netanyahu’s speech to Congress will come at a price, but deny that it will strike a mortal blow to the U.S.-Israeli relationship.
    By Barak Ravid 06:00 17.02.15 1

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s effort to influence the nuclear negotiations with Iran by addressing Congress is worth the price Israel will pay in its relations with the U.S. administration, Ambassador to Washington Ron Dermer has told Israeli envoys working in America. Haaretz

    And here he is making a speech, which from the comments show many “patriotic” Americans applauding him, showing undying love for Bibi, and dissing their own President.

    • Kathleen on February 17, 2015, 3:54 pm

      Netanyahu created this debacle. He set himself up to fail on this one. Kicking Biden Kerry in the cajones when they visited Israel by announcing more illegal settlement and housing growth while they were there. Then punching Obama in the face again and again by ignoring request to stop illegal settlement growth.

      Netanyahu has never stopped repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran, has never acknowledged their legal right to enrich uranium, always demanding an agreement that he knows Iran will never agree to. Netanyahu has f’d himself and Israel in this case and others.

      Obama is one of the first U.S. Presidents to stand up to Israel in a constructive way. Better for the U.S. and Israel in the long run that these negotiations work.

      • Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 8:29 pm

        Despite Bibi’s bumbling and dishonesty, apparently an article in Haaretz says, he keeps rising in the polls.
        Even an investigation that shows Nutty and his wife, Snotty, spend tax payer’s money like they own it, he will be elected. Sad state of affairs in Israel. People have been brainwashed into thinking without Nutty they cannot exist.

    • American on February 17, 2015, 9:29 pm

      ”Adelson is also doing well: Netanyahu on his mantelpiece is a ” ……piotr

      Not doing so well. China is cracking down casinos, including Adelson…. too many high rollers and suspected money laundering.
      China does not dick around when it comes to crimes that effect their ‘state’.
      Netanyhau tried to intercede and ask some favortism be shown for Adelson…..didnt work.

      MACAU, China: China’s corruption crackdown takes toll on ……/chinas-corrupti...

      McClatchy Washington Bureau

      Dec 5, 2014 – China’s corruption crackdown takes toll on Macau’s U.S.-owned casinos … other mega-casinos in Macau, a special administrative region of China, … including Sheldon Adelson, the CEO of the Las Vegas Sands Corp., which ….

      • CloakAndDagger on February 18, 2015, 11:08 pm

        That is really good news. If the source of his funds can be turned off, then his power and influence disappears.

  14. Ellen on February 17, 2015, 1:21 am

    Will the release of the report on Israel’s own secret Nuke program be covered in the MSN?

    From Frank Gaffney as reported in Information Clearing House:

    “Finally. After many years of official hypocrisy, a US president appears to be playing hardball with Israel. The other day, the US government declassified a 1987 report documenting Israel’s secret nuclear weapons program.

    Hey, MSN it is safe now to report the truth.

    • lysias on February 17, 2015, 4:05 pm

      Room 3E1082, The Pentagon

      I have myself worked on the third floor of the E Ring in the Pentagon. It’s where the most important offices are.

      • just on February 17, 2015, 5:30 pm

        Thanks for your info, Ellen and Jethro.

        (yours too, lysias!) This seems Big.

  15. Kathleen on February 17, 2015, 1:37 am

    What jumps out at me is how absolutely insane all of this is that our President would feel the need to consult with Israel at all. Just demonstrates once again the destructive hold that Israel has on the U.S. when it comes to negotiations like this.

    Ignatius is a dire hard supporter of Israel, he is not some impartial type of reporter. ….he could easily be a conduit for leaks.

    • Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 1:53 am

      Good comment Kathleen, it is absolutely insane that we have to consult, inform, and keep Israel happy, in every step, with the Iranian matter. This is an ugly show of arrogance, and entitlement.
      Who the heck does Netanyahu think he is, to interfere, and try and sabotage, the effort by the US President, to avoid war with Iran. Israel is like a jealous neighbor that cannot stand the thought of his neighbor having a new shiny car. He is enraged and out of control.

    • Kathleen on February 17, 2015, 9:36 am

      die hard

  16. oldgeezer on February 17, 2015, 2:33 am

    Netanyahu is a madman.

    The phrase has been used with respect to Saddam, Assad, Ghadaffi but they were never mad. They were willing to kill in order to maintain their positions of power but never just mad.

    Netanyahu is mad and threat to humanity. He has made Israel a threat to humanity. Israeli power is not threatened. Israel is not threatened. He is a loose cannon and madman willing to kill for the sake of killing.

    He needs to be stopped. Let’s hope their is a sane electorate in Israel though if the zionists here are in any way representative I doubt that.

    • Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 3:09 am

      All true OG, but who will stop this madman? Not the US for sure, although it has the power to do so, and forget hoping for a sane electorate in Israel. The majority are zionists and they wanted Gaza leveled. He is their King and only savior, and has made them think the cannot exist without him (unable to comprehend that it is because of HIS policies) that they have to eternally wage wars.

      • Kathleen on February 17, 2015, 9:39 am

        Remember what Dr. Zbigniew Brezezinski said in regard to the possibility of Israel attacking Iran. He said if Israel starts to attack the U.S. should meet them in the air and stop them. Damn brave and powerful statement.

  17. amigo on February 17, 2015, 5:58 am

    “Maybe someday, the hapless House Speaker will realize that having “every right” to do something does not make the action just. ”

    That attitude cost seventeen lives in France recently.In certain circumstances , clear thinking people resist the desire to tell it like it is even though they have the right.

  18. Kathleen on February 17, 2015, 10:31 am

    Hope folks contact President Obama, VP Biden and all Reps working for U.S. National Security (and also Israel’s) by standing up to Netanyahu and Boehner. There is a healthy stand off here and we need to let them know we have noticed and support

  19. American on February 17, 2015, 11:02 am

    Anyone still think Israel was a good idea?
    It was crazy then and its crazy now.
    If Jews want to live in Palestine Israel has to be de commissioned as a Jewish ruled state.

  20. Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 11:48 am

    State Comptroller in Israel find the Netanyahus spent money like crazy in their homes. Maybe Sara wanted new drapes every day! Not only a liar, but dishonest too. Still, the people of Israel will vote for this pathetic man. Pity.

    “Israel’s State Comptroller issued a scathing report on Tuesday substantiating complaints of financial improprieties on the part of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at his homes in Jerusalem and Caesarea.

    The report sparked an immediate political firestorm, with opposition leaders saying it showed Netanyahu unfit to hold office — “thoroughly disconnected from the people,” in the words of Yesh Atid’s former health minister Yael German. Netanyahu loyalists, for their part, suggested the prime minister was the victim of a witch hunt, with Likud minister Yuval Steinitz suggesting the comptroller had been pressured into releasing the report in the run up to elections in order to harm Netanyahu.

    The highly anticipated report states that expenditures at the Prime Minister’s Residence have been excessive and improper, highlighting excessive spending on food, cleaning and clothing among other areas, and that budgetary practices have not been carried out with integrity and transparency.

    Read more: Bombshell report details excessive spending by prime minister | The Times of Israel

    • crone on February 18, 2015, 11:11 am

      Desertpeace has more on this…


      February 18, 2015 at 10:10 (Corrupt Politics, Cover Up, DesertPeace Exclusive, Israel, YouTube)

      Among the scenes videoed was a visit to the kitchen, which viewers can see is in need of repair. On Monday evening, however, Channel 10 news reported that the Netanyahus failed to include in the tour a glimpse of another modern, well-equipped kitchen located in their personal living quarters.


      • Kay24 on February 18, 2015, 10:04 pm

        Real classy people, these Netanyahus. It seems they are fleecing their own people/country, and living the good life. No wonder Mr. Sara is doing everything in his power, even getting himself invited to the Congress, to make a speech just before his elections. The bottom line is, articles say, despite the very obvious dishonesty and lack of class, he is still high in the polls, which means the majority of the Israeli people, accept this arrogance and dishonesty. What low expectations.

  21. Pixel on February 17, 2015, 12:25 pm


    Sorry, I did not connect my remarks to Guliani. He seems to be like Shmuel Boteach: making a carrier as a minion of some powerful folks, so as long as he spews what they like he is doing fine, makes a living, gets media coverage etc.

    The Broken American Male: And How to Fix Him
    by Shmuley Boteach

  22. just on February 17, 2015, 12:26 pm

    I smell desperation!

    “Six times that U.S.-Israel ties hit rock bottom

    Think relations between Washington and Jerusalem are bad now? They are, but they’ve been in crisis before, too.”


  23. seafoid on February 17, 2015, 3:43 pm

    One of the things that makes Zionism so fascinating is its absence of equilibrium. One more dunam means it never stays still. So milikovsky has to pick at the scab of Iran. Regardless of the political cost. That messianic streak that makes it think god cares and that the past is prologue. A cavalier attitude to risk that can’t end well

  24. just on February 17, 2015, 5:06 pm

    “Washington (CNN)A large majority of Americans believe that Republican congressional leaders should not have invited Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak to Congress without consulting the White House, according to a new CNN/ORC survey.

    The nationwide poll, released Tuesday, shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming. Only 33% say it was the right thing to do.

    And as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict continues to simmer in the Middle East, the survey found that a similar majority thinks the U.S. should stay out of that fight altogether.”

    more @

    • American on February 17, 2015, 6:57 pm

      Wonder who the 33% are?

      I am guessing its zionist followers, neo followers, and the fanatic religious retards .
      No one I have talked to is in favor of any US action on Iran or anywhere else….all fed up in general with the ME and the trillions and americans wasted on it.
      No one is in favor of netanyahu speech either, even though Obama is not real popular with them.

  25. Kay24 on February 17, 2015, 9:44 pm
  26. Kathleen on February 17, 2015, 11:02 pm

    Over at piece on the Rachel Corrie families appeal for the wrongful death of Rachel being dismissed by Israeli court again. Corrie family response

  27. Kathleen on February 18, 2015, 12:00 am

    The last two nights Chris Matthew has been ranting about how horrific ISIS is…and that of course is an understatement. However Chris makes what I think is a hollow argument for the American people being “humiliated” by these killings. That Americans “don’t want to become passive, useless, somehow compliant with all of this.” What Chris so pathetically fails to mention is that the majority of Americans were “passive, useless, somehow compliant” in the unnecessary invasion of Iraq and the direct result was hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people were killed, millions displaced, thousands injured, who knows how many were tortured. The difference between what IS is doing and what some Americans did in Iraq is that we are seeing on our T.V. screens what the satanical group IS is doing. Was not the case when the crimes against the Iraqi people were being committed by Americans. Chris’s effort to make it appear that the majority of American people are standing on some moral high grounds is total bull shit.

    • Kay24 on February 18, 2015, 12:31 am

      Matthews seems to have some sort of mental block, or amnesia perhaps. He has forgotten that Americans have now tuned off to what happened in Iraq. To this day some naive Americans may still claim Saddam was behind 9/11 and even had WMD’s (sent them to Syria, some say!).
      The horror we were responsible for, Fallujah, the crazy American soldier who raped a kid, killed her entire family by burning their homes,
      the equally crazy soldiers who randomly killed Afghan civilians and cut off their fingers for their thrills? I mean, this could be members of ISIS, when you consider the crimes. We must look like uncivilized barbarians to the rest of the world.

      Yeah, Chris Matthews doesn’t say much about the way Americans remain passive, useless, compliant with all of these ugly incidents.

      • RoHa on February 18, 2015, 12:52 am

        “We must look like uncivilized barbarians to the rest of the world.”

        Actually, Kay, even before the Iraq war …

        But until Vietnam it was mostly cultural snobbery. After that it was clear that a humanitarian mission by the US forces was something best avoided.

  28. crone on February 18, 2015, 9:41 am

    CNN/ORC poll: Most Americans oppose Netanyahu invite

    A large majority of Americans believe that Republican congressional leaders should not have invited Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak to Congress … shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming … Americans overall believe the U.S. should stay out of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with 66% in the new poll advocating the U.S. remain neutral … 56% of those age 50 or older believe the U.S. should stay out of the Israeli-Palestinian fight, that number skyrockets to 75% of Americans under age 50.


    oops… just saw Just has posted this above. Sorry for the duplication!

    • Kathleen on February 18, 2015, 4:28 pm

      On CNN…real breakthroughs….

      • just on February 18, 2015, 4:50 pm

        If you are talking about Obama and his speech about Muslims~
        it’s very welcome… and good.

  29. American on February 18, 2015, 9:58 am

    Cracks appearing.
    While not yet huge, 20 Dems walking out on a resolution for support of Israel in Virginia congress is significant.
    Legistators at the state level always have more of an ear to the ground than legistators in DC.

    ”Virginia Dems Run Away From Vote to Support Israel
    Republicans chide Democrat stunt as ‘profile in courage’

  30. crone on February 18, 2015, 10:01 am

    Sorry if this has been posted already…

    Boehner Confesses: I Invited Netanyahu Secretly To Stab President Obama In The Back And Sabotage Peace Talks (VIDEO)
    Author: Stephen D Foster Jr February 16, 2015 12:12 pm

    House Speaker John Boehner committed a crime when he invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to speak to a joint session of Congress, and now he is freely admitting that he not only did so behind President Obama’s back, he did so to sabotage delicate peace talks with Iran.

    During an interview on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, Boehner confessed that he knew the White House wouldn’t appreciate a foreign leader being brought in to wreck diplomatic efforts to keep Iran from developing a nuclear bomb, so he did so in secret to prevent President Obama from nixing the GOP plan to undermine him.

    Of course, Boehner denied that he did anything wrong despite the fact that there is a 1799 law still on books known as the Logan Act which forbids unauthorized US citizens from negotiating with foreign leaders. Only the executive branch has that authority.


  31. amigo on February 18, 2015, 10:15 am

    This may have appeared before but here it is again.

    “The head of Israel’s election commission acted on Monday to limit any pre-election boost Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu may get from a March 3 speech to the U.S. Congress, in which he will warn of the threat from Iran’s nuclear program.

    The speech has caused controversy in Israel and the United States, where Democrats and the White House are angry that the Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives, John Boehner, invited Netanyahu to speak at a sensitive time in the nuclear negotiations between Iran and six big powers including Washington, and only two weeks before Israel’s closely fought March 17 election.

    Following complaints from opposition parties, election commission chief Salim Joubran decided that Netanyahu’s address should be broadcast with a five-minute delay in Israel, giving news editors time to cut any statements deemed partisan.

    “Editors-in-chief of broadcast channels will watch and make sure that nothing the prime minister says can be construed as election campaigning,” Joubran said in a statement. “Any campaigning will be omitted from the broadcast.”AJ

    Seems to me , everything nietanyahu says can be construed as election campaigning.Should be a short version is the Editors in Chief do what they say they will.How will they prevent people who use streaming video to watch.Sounds like a fig leaf to me.But hey, thats Israel for you.

  32. atime forpeace on February 18, 2015, 4:36 pm

    Listen to Jeb (the smart) Bush pitch his presidency plan to israel lovers and adherents of an aggressive and exceptionalist foreign policy. These guys (exceptionalists and hegemonist) just can not accept that the world has changed and that the U.S just does not deserve the respect that it once had.

    Edward Snowden has given an invaluable gift to the entire world, the duplicity of the United Sates deep state has been laid bare for all the world to see.

    An awakening has occured and it is based on facts on the ground from a century of domination and enforcement ( Monroe Doctrine), of what we wanted the world to look like without much consideration for the underlying sentiments growing in those countries. Oppression and suppression can only happen for so long before blowback rears it’s ugly head.

  33. atime forpeace on February 18, 2015, 10:15 pm

    Do the U.S and Israel need to file for a Get to make it official?

    ‘Cherry-picked leaks’: US accuses Israel of distorting Iran nuclear talks details

  34. JeffB on February 19, 2015, 1:45 pm


    You mixed me post with someone else’s. I don’t know who that 2nd paragraph in your post is a response to. The first is me however so…

    JeffB: When the Iraq war started it had the approval of 73% of the population.
    Annie: if your first sentence was correct (it isn’t) the cheney admin would not have had to cook up fake evidence to force feed the american public.

    I think you meant 3rd sentence. which you quoted. In case you didn’t and meant the 73%

    As far as the 3rd sentence what I said was that “many of the neocon views are popular because they represent long standing American opinion on issues of foreign policy”. If you look at support for regime change in Iraq it is pretty high predating any specific claims of weapons of mass destruction. WMD definitely payed a role with 15-20% of the population’s attitude but more broadly there was pre-existing hostility to Iraq, hostility towards Iraq’s policy of supporting terrorism and general support for the Neocon 10 point plan. India during the Clinton administration went nuclear and there was no discussion of invading.

    Wikipedia has a good article on the support for the invasion of Iraq and the role that WMD played.

    • annie on February 20, 2015, 9:51 am

      I think you meant 3rd sentence.

      jeff, you’re being willfully obtuse. i copied 2 allegations you made in 2 sentences and addressed them as “first” and “second”. you ignored (evaded and did not address whatsoever) my points and source provided in the first, and ignored my request for a source in your second allegation (“Iran funded terrorism against USA soldiers in Iraq. “) .

      what’s the point of carrying on a conversation like this? there is none. bye

      also, if a comment does not have a reply function, scroll up to the nearest one instead of responding to a post at the base where people are less likely to access the post you’re referencing.

      • JeffB on February 20, 2015, 10:06 am

        You were being unclear.

        You want references to Iran killing USA soldiers in Iraq:

        Despite its pledge to support Iraq’s stabilization, Iran trained, funded, and provided guidance to Iraqi Shia militant groups. The IRGC-QF, in concert with Hizballah, provided training outside of Iraq as well as advisors inside Iraq for Shia militants in the construction and use of sophisticated improvised explosive device technology and other advanced weaponry. Similar to Hizballah fighters, many of these trained Shia militants then use these skills to fight for the Asad regime in Syria, often at the behest of Iran. (

        as well as:


      • annie on February 20, 2015, 9:09 pm

        your link to the state gov states “This report provides a snapshot of events during 2013” nor does it support your claim of Iran killing USA soldiers in Iraq. just out of curiosity how many american soldiers were killed in iraq in 2013. do tell.

        as for me being “unclear” for future reference please note: when i copy paste something you wrote, and place it in italics, and then place a comment after it, my comment is in relation to the allegations you wrote that i copied and pasted. now i know that can be an extremely complicated concept jeff, but it’s something you might want to internalize, because it’s fairly common not just here but all over the internet.

        Edit: p.s. per that comment of yours that i trashed. here is the link to my original response to you:

        claiming that is not what i originally wrote and that i edited it and am lying is complete BS. you might want to think twice in the future before accusing me of retroactively editing my comment for the purpose of fraudulently winning an argument.

        end of conversation.

  35. traintosiberia on February 21, 2015, 1:53 pm

    New rumors are being cooked to sabotage the prospect of so me kind of understanding between the 2 – US and Iran by the judge ,by the student,by the lobby

  36. Spring Renouncer on February 22, 2015, 3:16 am

    Here is an article about an amazing new development concerning Obama’s rapidly changing “Mideast” policy:

    Boeing is selling Iran the first aviation parts since the Iranian revolution. We of course all know that though nominally independent, Boeing is contained, subsidized, funded and controlled by the US government. SO, does this foreshadow a successful nuclear deal with Iran? Or indicate the possibility of a more comprehensive thaw with Iran? Is it also a snub to meddling Saudis and Israelis?

    Either way, this is BIG, under-reported news.

  37. seafoid on February 23, 2015, 4:01 pm
  38. traintosiberia on February 25, 2015, 10:21 pm

    Great Britain – 74 (second behind Canada overall)
    Germany – 65
    France – 61 (fourth behind Japan)
    Israel – 59
    That is the finding of the 2014 polling by Chicago Council on Global Affairs – ranking of attitude to 23 countries . 50 is neutral 100 is very warm and favorable.

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