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The world’s Jews are under dire threat around the world, and so is Israel. That was the message, in so many words, that emanated last night from Cooper Union’s Great Hall.

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and Israeli ambassador to the United Nations Ron Prosor held forth in Manhattan to a crowd of hundreds, though the hall was not filled to the brim and empty rows were visible. It was the latest event put on by Boteach, who has brought people like Elie Wiesel, Samantha Power and Sheldon Adelson to Cooper Union to warn about how Israel is under attack.

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This event was billed as an address by Prosor on how to fight back against the “global demonization of the Jewish state.” The discussion, though, made little distinction between Israel and Jews worldwide, and did not address the occupation of Palestinian territories.

It came just days after a Danish gunman killed a guard outside a Copenhagen synagogue, and weeks after the attack by Islamist extremists on a kosher supermarket in Paris. The message Boteach and Prosor pushed resonated with much of the audience.

Those violent events have prompted Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to call on Jews around the world to emigrate to Israel. But the remarks have prompted intense controversy, and Prosor did not reaffirm them last night. Instead, he said Europe has a responsibility to protect Jews.

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach’s typical bombast was a stark contrast to the Israeli ambassador’s subdued manner. But they were united in painting a dark picture of Europe, the Middle East and the U.S. as places that are hostile to Jews.

They directed their ire at targets ranging from Iran to radical Islam to the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement to Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority.

“I heard [Abbas] at the United Nations both in 2012 and 2013, just to hear the speeches, it’s vile, it’s poisonous, there’s no bridging or looking at something,” said Prosor.

Netanyahu’s upcoming address to Congress on Iran did not take center stage, though Boteach did ask Prosor a question about it. The Israeli ambassador stayed away from the politics of it and instead ticked off a litany of Iranian sins–and threw in a racist joke for good measure about the Western-Iranian negotiations over the country’s nuclear program.

“The problem is that the Iranians, until now, have lied consecutively for years. They’ve taken–they’re amazing negotiators. They’re not just carpet makers, they’re carpet weavers. They take every red line, they divide it into pink lines, and they press every pink line,” said Prosor.

Boteach was at his most animated when discussing how college campuses think of Israel.

“Campuses, universities–these are supposed to be higher bastions of learning, supposed to be ivory towers of academia,” said Boteach. “And yet we are seeing such an assault on campus, that it’s shocking.” Boteach’s comments were voiced hours before the student government of Stanford voted to recommend divestment from corporations linked to the Israeli occupation.

The rabbi has been locked into a bizarre dispute with Hillel and other pro-Israel advocates because, he thinks, Hillel does not do enough to fight for Israel on campus. Boteach says that the New York University chapter of Hillel did not promote his event with Prosor.

The dispute with Hillel was not addressed. But the Israeli ambassador responded to Boteach’s alarming message about campuses by attributing the hostility to Israel to youthful politics. He likened the uptick in global criticism of Israel to Chinese water-torture, where every drip of Israel criticism contributes to the larger goal of harming Israel.

“I look at it as maybe the biggest challenge Israel has today, which means that each and every one of the students is on the front line defending Israel,” he said.

Prosor added, at the prodding of Boteach, that Jewish students have an “obligation” to defend Israel, since it’s the nation-state of the Jewish people. That line drew a lot of applause.

Alex Kane

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  1. just on February 18, 2015, 11:38 am

    Such a duo.

    I don’t know how you could sit through it, Alex. Tip of the hat to you for your intestinal fortitude.

    “He likened the uptick in global criticism of Israel to Chinese water-torture, where every drip of Israel criticism contributes to the larger goal of harming Israel.

    “I look at it as maybe the biggest challenge Israel has today, which means that each and every one of the students is on the front line defending Israel,” he said.

    Prosor added, at the prodding of Boteach, that Jewish students have an “obligation” to defend Israel, since it’s the nation-state of the Jewish people. That line drew a lot of applause.”

    They are afraid of BDS~ very afraid! Onward BDS~ seize the momentum! 1S1P1V!

    • oldgeezer on February 18, 2015, 11:51 am

      Prosor suggests that the first loyalty of Jewish people is to the state of Israel. This line of tribalism will not play well in the long run and is dangerous. The GoI is a threat to world peace and Jewish people.

      One can only hope they get dumped in the election though many of the alternatives are worse.

      • pabelmont on February 18, 2015, 1:19 pm

        USA has an all-volunteer army now but had conscription until Vietnam. Israel has conscription. But here we hear that Israel presumes to draft all Jews, not merely all Israeli-Jews, into its (figurative) army. Maybe that’s why the opponents to Stanford’s DIVEST vote were so obstreperous during the first vote — they were soldiers (onward Jewish soldiers!) — whose (only) nation, Israel, is under attack. (No dual loyalty there!)

    • ziusudra on February 18, 2015, 1:16 pm

      Greetings,
      On a lighter note, just how does one pronounce Boteach?
      It sounds rather silly in english. How about a Hebrew try:
      Bo te’ ack or should it be the german gutteral Bo te ach?
      Whatever. Assaults against World Jewry are exceeding low for
      blasted hyperbole amounts of fear of annaihilation momentarily.
      Any Jew down on mulberry or canal street or in flatbush need not
      worry, yes, you can continue your sojourn in the poeconoes w/o
      fear unless you look like an Arab, but that’s not likely for a Euro/
      Khazar. Live de kocher life wherever you be.
      ziusudra
      PS Oy, My notes of nonsense match theirs.

  2. eljay on February 18, 2015, 11:45 am

    This event was billed as an address by Prosor on how to fight back against the “global demonization of the Jewish state.”

    Defenders of the rapist discuss ways of fighting back against demonization of the rapist.

    For some reason, none of them ever suggests that one option is to have the rapist stop raping his victims, release them, accept responsibility and accountability for his past and on-going crimes and strive to become a law-abiding citizen.

    Instead, they argue that the rapist MUST be permitted to keep doing what he’s doing – it’s his “right” of “self-determination” – and society MUST instead work to overcome its ingrained “anti-Rapist” hatred and to stop “de-legitimizing” the rapist.

    Zio-supremacists are a truly hateful and immoral lot.

  3. DoubleStandard on February 18, 2015, 11:47 am

    They’re right. That’s what happens when you’re the Chosen People.

    • Mooser on February 18, 2015, 2:47 pm

      “They’re right. That’s what happens when you’re the Chosen People.”

      You tell them, DS!!! Oh, those Gentiles always kvetching (unless for some reason it’s physiologically impossible, I wouldn’t know. Do Gentiles kvetch?) about us being “The Chosen People” But what those Gentiles never mention is that we were ‘chosen to suffer, and serve’.
      That is what being “chosen’ is all about, but they never mention that!

      • on February 18, 2015, 3:17 pm

        You have to admit, a culture that raises its children from a very early to believe that it has been singled out to be unfairly victimized frequently and consistently by the “Other” since time began and that this will continue until time ends creates a lot of resentful , emotionally unhealthy, and self obsessed people.

      • DoubleStandard on February 18, 2015, 4:25 pm

        Gentiles chosen to suffer? Ha. You should read your Jewish history.

        The reason you make fun of it so much is because you believe it’s true: and it just kills you.

        Lots of people in the world think they’re chosen, but with the Jews, it’s obviously the case. It’s the only way a country the size of Israel can capture the attention of the entire world for doing what all other states do.

      • Mooser on February 18, 2015, 6:47 pm

        “Gentiles chosen to suffer? Ha. You should read your Jewish history.”

        I’m sorry, “Double Standard” I forgot you get everything backwards.
        Now read slowly and carefully: I am saying the Jews, us, we, me ‘an you, have been “chosen to suffer, and serve” Or maybe just “the Jews are the ones chosen to suffer”.

        There, got it straight now? It’s a wonderful opening, son, take advantage of it.

      • DoubleStandard on February 19, 2015, 3:05 am

        I don’t understand what you mean by suffer and serve. The trope is generally that jews think gentiles should serve them.

      • ziusudra on February 19, 2015, 8:19 am

        Greetings Mosser,
        …Do Gentiles kvetch?….
        There are more than one meaning.
        You seem to mean to complain in yiddisch.
        In German, Er Quatscht: He’s gabbing.
        Es ist Quatsch : It is nonsense.
        Er schimpft über quatsch: He’s complaining about nonsense.
        In English, To Gab.
        ziusudra

      • Mooser on February 19, 2015, 3:15 pm

        “The trope is generally that jews think gentiles should serve them.”

        That’s right, isn’t there a bus ad in Tel Aviv saying the Gentile is waiting for the Jew to tell him (and/or her) what to do? There was an article about it here.

        Well, “OyVey00” which do you want to be, the ‘teller’, or the ‘told’. With a name like “OyVey” you might get a lot of people asking you to tell them what to do.

    • Kris on February 18, 2015, 6:36 pm

      @DS: “That’s what happens when you’re the Chosen People.” DS, could you explain what “the Chosen People” means? Please provide links to back up your assertions.

      Here is what Rabbi Alan Lurie, a Zionist, says:

      “Jews were chosen to bring to the world this message of goodness: treat the stranger as one’s own, love your fellow as yourself, care for the widow, orphan and handicapped, give to the poor, know that Spirit is higher than material success and that you are a child of God, and most importantly, always value life. In this way, Jews are chosen to be the lamp that allows God’s light to shine in the world.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-alan-lurie/jews-gods-chosen-people_b_1079821.html

      Not seeing any of this in Israel’s actions, or in the words of Zionists, either.

      • Mooser on February 18, 2015, 6:49 pm

        “Jews were chosen to bring to the world this message of goodness: treat the stranger as one’s own, love your fellow as yourself, care for the widow, orphan and handicapped, give to the poor, know that Spirit is higher than material success and that you are a child of God, and most importantly, always value life. In this way, Jews are chosen to be the lamp that allows God’s light to shine in the world.”

        It couldn’t hurt. Jeez, even the pretense of it would be encouraging.

      • Marnie on February 19, 2015, 3:55 am

        That’s what I was taught. Haven’t seen much of it though. Would this be what Mr. B calls a PIA? Am pretty sure Boteach would find this a major “PIA” and will just take Zionism and call that Judaism. All that love and kindness and compassion and sissy stuff. Besides, there’s not enough sex in that definition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk2TiFraFQs

      • DavidDaoud on February 19, 2015, 1:13 pm

        Good heavens Kris, Rabbi Alan Lurie makes Judaism sound a lot like Islam. Yes, I’m serious.

  4. amigo on February 18, 2015, 12:00 pm

    The only threat to Israel is Zionism.

    End the zionist project and Jews will have very little to be afraid of.But can these criminals admit that all their decades long efforts have been a huge mistake .I think not , so onwards and downwards.Pull that crapper chain again .We need to be sure the contents of the toilet bowl are completely flushed .

    • Marnie on February 18, 2015, 12:03 pm

      Exactly Amigo, OldGeezer and Just –

    • Kay24 on February 18, 2015, 12:10 pm

      Agreed. First they must end the demonization and occupation of the Palestinian people.
      They cannot expect to keep this siege going, the land thefts and the violence against civilians, and expect NOT to be ostracized and isolated. No amount of playing the victims will work now.
      Everyone knows the game now. Bocheat seems to be preaching to the choir, and only fellow zionists will applaud the lies and tall tales of victimization.

      • ziusudra on February 18, 2015, 1:25 pm

        Greetings Kay24,
        ….no amount of playing the victims will work now….

        Oh, yes it will, because they are the only ones getting
        a forum. You ne’er hear the Falesteeni Protagonists
        of intellectuals, politicians, artists, etc. giving their
        side of the coin.
        ziusudra
        PS i like Bocheat, could i add Lil’ Bopeat? Perhaps
        Bobleat instead of perpetual wailing.

      • Kay24 on February 18, 2015, 8:02 pm

        Greetings to you too, Ziusudra, I think to some extent the world is aware of the victim game.
        I hear it in many instances. However, in the US it may be different, not because they are not aware of it, but because the media tells them it is anti-semitism to think that way!

        Go ahead call BoCheat anything you want, whatever it is, it will be too good for him.

      • ziusudra on February 19, 2015, 6:25 am

        Re.: Kay24,
        Thanks for talking to me, appreciate it.

        Bocheat says it all, a similar meaning to deception
        used a lot here on MW of his kind.

        If boteach were to bocheat & getting tapped, would he
        bobleat or bopeat; both would be boplete.
        ziusudra

  5. justicewillprevail on February 18, 2015, 12:03 pm

    Of course! They love it, relish it, wallow in it, can’t stop talking about it. Everyone and everything is against them, so it justifies every abominable, hateful action their precious state commits – shooting, killing, razing, stealing and repressing another nation. It must feel good for them, they can talk about this stuff forever and never have to address the reality of their manichean state of mind and its dire consequences. And then they can always ask for more money and arms from the US taxpayer. Power without responsibility or accountability – must be great. I don’t get how anybody can take this stale old repetition of hasbara seriously. Maybe that’s why they are so scared of the independent thinking of some students – now that’s really scary for their lifelong dedication to propaganda.

  6. Brewer on February 18, 2015, 1:30 pm

    The Fraudulent Rise in UK Antisemitism

    …..Note how the incidents are broken down into categories. The numbers of incidents are then totalled up arithmetically to produce the annual time series which formed the basis of evidence of a sharp rise in 2014. Let’s first say that there are some blindingly obvious issues with this methodology; for a start it equates an act of “extreme violence” with an act of “abusive behaviour”. That would mean that a year in which 500 Jews were brutally murdered but none insulted would be a “good year” for antisemitism compared to a year in which 1000 were insulted and none murdered. It’s a ridiculous methodology.

    Another obvious issue is that the most numerate incidents, the “abusive behaviour” are not incidents that are considered hate crimes and so have not been subject to police investigation or verification. If I phone the CST and say “I am a Jew and a guy called me a fat Jew on the bus” it would simply be noted as an incident.

    ….What you can see is that the CST systematically estimate higher numbers of hate crimes than police, by around 100% this year down from a 32% overestimate compared to police in 2009. But even looking at their systematically overstated figures, there is no increase. Both the police and CST figures show a consistent significant downward trend over the last 5 years.

    So, neither report supports the supposed (i.e. media-manufactured) “consensus” that there has been an unprecedented increased in antisemitic incidents in 2014.

    Combine with the above a survey conducted by the Campaign Against Anti Semitism which purported to show an increased fear of antisemitism amongst Jews, and then you have a complete media narrative on which to base dozens of scare stories. The whole premise is totally false.

    http://www.thezionion.com/2015/02/08/the-fraudulent-rise-in-uk-antisemitism/

    • RoHa on February 18, 2015, 10:26 pm

      “I am a Jew and a guy called me a fat Jew on the bus”

      Must be an anti-Adiposite.

      • ziusudra on February 19, 2015, 6:33 am

        Greetings Roha,
        …anti-adiposite……
        That term tickles me all the more.
        ziusudra

    • ziusudra on February 19, 2015, 6:32 am

      Greetings Brewer,
      …If i were a jew…..
      Pssst, how would he even know whether you is or you ain’t?
      Do you get on de bus wailing i’m a jew! Do you hate me
      because i’m fat?
      ziusudra
      PS sorry ’bout that, but it really tickle me.

  7. pabelmont on February 18, 2015, 1:55 pm

    Israel has two barrier policies w.r.t. Palestinians. The wall around Gaza is to keep people in. The wall around greater-Israel is to keep Palestinians (the exiles of the 1948 war) out. The wall inside the West Bank is to keep Palestinians separate from parts of occupied territory which Israel claims for itself — in perfect continuation of the war of 1948.

    Israel and its stooges claim that others delegitimize them, but give no ear to Palestinian claims of legitimacy as residents of the territory of Palestine (1946). It is thus the Israelis who are the delegitimizers here. They seek by mistreatment to delegitimize the Palestinians but only succeed in delegitimizing themselves.

    When Israel grants citizenship, residency, and the vote to all Palestinians exiled by Israel — in 1948 and thereafter — and to their progeny, Israel will on that day have made a huge step forward toward legitimacy. And toward peace with justice.

    • DoubleStandard on February 18, 2015, 4:09 pm

      Meaning when Israel agrees to dissolve itself. The Arabs lost the war in ’48 — too damn bad.

      • talknic on February 18, 2015, 7:54 pm

        @ DoubleStandard “Meaning when Israel agrees to dissolve itself.”

        Can you actually explain how allowing non-Jewish Israeli citizens return to Israel = Israel agrees to dissolve itself.

        It’s ironic that the Palestinians are arguing for the right of return for Israel’s non-Jewish citizens to Israel. They have no need to ask Israel for Palestinians to return to Palestine.

        The Arabs lost the war in ’48 — too damn bad.”

        Strange, they prevented Israel from taking all that remained of Palestine after Israel was proclaimed independent of Palestine. Both Gaza and the West Bank were kept from Israeli aggression

      • eljay on February 18, 2015, 8:38 pm

        || DoubleStandardeee: Meaning when Israel agrees to dissolve itself. ||

        There’s nothing wrong with Israel agreeing to remain in existence and there’s nothing wrong with Israel agreeing to dissolve itself.

        There is, however, plenty wrong with – and unjust and immoral about – Israel continuing to exist as an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist state.

      • piotr on February 19, 2015, 8:24 am

        pabelmont: The wall inside the West Bank is to keep Palestinians separate from parts of occupied territory which Israel claims for itself — in perfect continuation of the war of 1948. –

        Inaccurate, I am sorry to say. I do not recall a declaration that Israel “claims for herself” all lands on one side of the West Bank wall and none of the lands on the other side. Operationally, one side is for quiet rest, and the other, for contact sports. It is there, on the “far side” where the Jewish spirit reaches highest levels, bonding with the land, strafing the enemy daily and so on.

        It is a pablum for the masses that Israel exists to improve the security of the Jewish people. No, the goals are much more sublime: Israel is elevating the Jewish people, to Jews is what Nirvana is to Buddhists. Do not take me wrong, security is of course important, but only in so far as it preserves the feeble spirit on its way to elevation. As both extermination and assimilation divert from the path to elevation, they are equally lamentable.

        Anyway, walls somehow became essential in regulating the process of elevating the spirit. In Gaza one can exercise heroism (Goyim could call it a shooting gallery), but every part serves a separate purpose while all contribute to the “wonderful tapestry of the Jewish spirit”.

      • Abu Malia on February 19, 2015, 2:11 pm

        @ DS, I would be careful about this winner takes all, law of the jungle, might makes right and to hell with international law stuff. Not only on account that it is wrong and humanity has rightfully evolved beyond that. But, because the Arabs have really learnt how to fight Western armies since 48 – it really isn’t that far fetched that in a shooting war with the Arabs (even just with the resistance axis) Israel might lose and be completely defeated in the battlefield.

        We all have witnessed in 2006 what Hizbullah did to your Merkavas (Israeli made tanks). Using an assortment of anti-tank missiles such as the Kornets, Malutkas (or little baby), RPG 29s and others the Nasr brigade of Hizbullah has shown the whole world the obsolescence of tanks. No more blitzkrieg type maneuvers rapidly transferring the battle to enemy (read Arab)lands. No more under trained under equipped conscripts turning tail at the first sight of Israeli tanks.

        Just imagine Hizbullah with effective air cover to go with their tank-killing missiles – something like the Russian S-300 or better still the S-400 systems with adequate batteries for “swarming tactics”.

        With your vaunted air superiority and tanks neutralized, your IDF (the most overrated military iMO) will have to face battle hardened, well led, tactically sound and hyper motivated Arab soldiers – they will ruin your day DS.

        Quit it while you’re still ahead Zio boy 2015 is not 1948.

  8. Sulphurdunn on February 18, 2015, 2:48 pm

    Remember, this isn’t about Israeli nationalism and the policies it spawns. This is about the “existential threat” to Jews posed by the congenital antisemitism of humanity and by self-loathing Jews.

  9. Pretext on February 18, 2015, 2:56 pm

    Well, if everything is an existential threat, I guess that naturally leads to ethnic cleansing in self-defense.

  10. Moe Odatalla on February 18, 2015, 3:54 pm

    Oh, what a tangled web we weave…

    Keep perpetuating a lie as truth, and you’re bound to drive yourself and anyone listening insane.

  11. seafoid on February 18, 2015, 4:05 pm

    I dunno who appointed Boteach but he’s not very good. Whatever he is supposed to do, it isn’t working.
    Killing children is Israel’s problem, really, Blaming other stuff misses the point.

  12. jon s on February 18, 2015, 4:29 pm

    The consensus on this blog as to the rise in Anti-Semitism is that
    (a) It isn’t happening.
    (b) It’s hapenning because of Zionism, because of Israel, the Jews themselves are to blame.

    • just on February 18, 2015, 4:47 pm

      Thus spake jon s.

      • Mooser on February 18, 2015, 6:56 pm

        Has everybody got a No.2 pencil, freshly sharpened? Cause the consensus taker is here!

        What’s a matter, “Jon s” evasive piety and bloodthirsty sanctimony won’t cut it, so you are going back to the usual officious self-righteousness, and a nauseatingly self-serving moral imperiousness?

        Instead of taking consensus, why don’t you go work on the demographics. Make sure to keep it consanguineous.

      • just on February 18, 2015, 6:58 pm

        I keep breaking the tip… and the eraser is a nib now.

        (RIP Freddie!)

      • Mooser on February 18, 2015, 7:01 pm

        “Thus spake jon s.”

        He knows a consensus when he sees one. He’s a Zionist!

    • DaBakr on February 18, 2015, 5:55 pm

      @jnS
      their still angry they didn’t beat Geller to the punch with her “juicides” and “jino”‘s. maybe there can be ‘zino’s’ and zuicides on mw? ‘Zionists are the bane of MW existence’ works too.

      • Mooser on February 19, 2015, 3:25 pm

        “their still angry”

        Shouldn’t that be “They’re”? “They’re” is a contraction of the phrase “they are”.

        Do I have that right, RoHa?

      • RoHa on February 19, 2015, 7:48 pm

        The distinctions between “there”, “their”, and “they’re” are taught in primary school.
        After grade 4, no-one should confuse them.
        (Might still sometimes write “thier” for “their”, though.)

    • Bornajoo on February 18, 2015, 7:00 pm

      Jon S
      “The consensus on this blog as to the rise in Anti-Semitism is that (a) It isn’t happening. (b) It’s hapenning because of Zionism, because of Israel, the Jews themselves are to blame”

      In general it isn’t happening. What does happen is indeed blowback from what israel/zionism is doing to others

      Why do you think innocent Americans get kidnapped and have their heads cut off live on video? Well that’s because some other Americans go around bombing and killing other folks and guess what, it makes those dead folks’ friends really, really angry and then they want revenge. So what do they do? They grab an innocent American who may well be a peace loving hippie and cut his head off. In other words they conflate all Americans with the psycho warmongers who order their military to kill. Misguided, but it’s blowback

      Because zionists spend all their time conflating all Jews with israel and because unfortunately most Jews outside israel actually do support israel then you get the same blowback as an innocent American. It’s not anti semitism, it’s blowback, misguided, but blowback all the same

      Stop killing and brutalising Palestinians, start treating them like actual human beings, stop stealing their land, reverse the dehumanisation process, show the world you are actually real human beings and make peace while you still have a chance. Do that and you might stop the blowback which you call anti semitism.

      In other words please do all the other Jews who don’t believe in zionism and Israeli apartheid policies a favour!

      When it happens to Americans shall we start calling it anti-Americanism? We can then set up a few agencies like the adl to monitor all anti Americanism attacks on innocent Americans who travel around the world and put lots of shocking reports together.

      • just on February 18, 2015, 7:16 pm

        Perfect, Bornajoo.

        (I am grateful that you are up to the Sisyphean task this evening~ it’s exhausting at times.)

      • American on February 19, 2015, 8:04 am

        Bornajoo says…

        ‘It’s not anti semitism, it’s blowback, misguided, but blowback all the same – ”

        Thats exactly what it is.
        Protest Isr stealing and killing and they cry anti semitism —which just angers people more.
        They think the anti semitism accusation will forever prevent Isr from being called to account.
        Its not going to work forever.

      • jon s on February 21, 2015, 2:59 am

        When innocent Jews are murdered just because they’re Jews, when Jewish institutions are attacked – that’s Anti-Semitism .
        By calling it “blowback” you seem to be implying that somehow they had it coming.
        I think that Anti-Zionists who are not Anti-Semites -like many of those who comment on this blog- have a special responsibility to condemn and take action against the rise of Anti-Semitism, instead of denying that it’s happening.

      • Bornajoo on February 21, 2015, 5:42 am

        @Jon S
        “When innocent Jews are murdered just because they’re Jews, when Jewish institutions are attacked – that’s Anti-Semitism .
        By calling it “blowback” you seem to be implying that somehow they had it coming.
        I think that Anti-Zionists who are not Anti-Semites -like many of those who comment on this blog- have a special responsibility to condemn and take action against the rise of Anti-Semitism, instead of denying that it’s happening.”

        Want to disprove my blowback theory? Okay let’s do an experiment.

        Stop killing Palestinians by either blowing them to pieces or shooting them, or by being crushed to death in checkpoints that would even be barbaric for cattle. Remove ALL of your illegal settlements, make peace, show genuine remorse for the crimes committed and begin to do everything in your power to restore the lives of these people which you have destroyed for decades. Stop being a racist supremacist state, lift the blockade on Gaza, stop killing children and testing out your latest weapons on them and I could go on and on and on and on…

        Stop behaving the like the Nazi’s who behaved this exact way towards the Jews.

        Do that FIRST and THEN let’s measure the instances of anti-semitic incidents. If you ever can do that (probably impossible for the likes of you) then you will see clearly that these blowback incidents will cease.

        Until then stop whining to everyone about anti semitism and do something to stop the racist Zionist regime in Israel and ALL of their supporters worldwide from continuing their crimes against humanity. That’s the only way to stop the blowback.

      • oldgeezer on February 21, 2015, 3:04 am

        @jon s
        “I think that Anti-Zionists who are not Anti-Semites -like many of those who comment on this blog- have a special responsibility to condemn and take action against the rise of Anti-Semitism”

        Good for you. I think zionists especially those supportive of the state of Israel have a special responsibility to condemn the illegal actions of that state particularly when it murders and tortures children.

        Is it a catch-22 or a stalemate?

      • oldgeezer on February 21, 2015, 3:34 am

        @jon s
        “By calling it “blowback” you seem to be implying that somehow they had it coming. ”

        By saying that you have shown you don’ t understand what blowback is. The term hasn’t been redefined in the hasbara handbook yet? No? Look it up.

      • Bornajoo on February 21, 2015, 4:05 am

        “By saying that you have shown you don’ t understand what blowback is. The term hasn’t been redefined in the hasbara handbook yet? No? Look it up.”

        +1 Oldgeezer!

      • wondering jew on February 21, 2015, 3:50 am

        bornajoo,
        These last two killing of Jews, (post Charlie Hebdo, Denmark) particularly because they served as a type of punctuation to the targeting of the free speech (blasphemy) killings, is a bit much to take. When some jihadi or colin ferguson (long island railroad black murders white people in 1993) type goes and kills Jews, (in Tolouse, for example) there is a type of hot headed aspect to the killing that gives it a colin ferguson feel, meaning insane, sick dog, what can one expect? it happens. but these last two killings were not hot blooded in the same way, they were, “and a partridge in a pear tree”, part of the refrain, a reflex action, let me kill a jew, to add another familiar note to this chord or perfume: kill a free speech-nik and a Jew to boot. (buy one get one free)

        So I view it as cold blooded in a way that tolouse was hot blooded.

        then I hear you label it as blowback. please spare me merriam webster for a moment. this word blowback sounds like an excuse and even as a declaration of war.

      • Bornajoo on February 21, 2015, 11:29 am

        @Yonah & Jon s
        When I was much younger and brainwashed and didn’t know better I was led to believe that I was in danger simply for being a jew, especially after my first cousin died in the maalot incident. This was the attitude that was all around me in the Jewish environment I grew up in.

        Later on after I understood the reality of what was really happening and realised that the Zionists were committing terrible crimes against others, I understood why these (quite rare) attacks against Jews were happening. The only time I felt worried as a jew was because of what israel was doing to others. I was worried that misguided people would conflate me with those zionists committing those crimes because unfortunately most Jews DO SUPPORT zionism and israel

        When zionists commit these crimes they are also putting all other Jews in danger.

        Stop committing these crimes, make peace, treat the Palestinians as human beings, show the world you are not the same as the nazis who persecuted the Jews and you will see the blowback fade away.

        But when you zionists support a regime that murders and brutalises in violation of international law which then provokes a blowback reaction, you whine and moan and call it anti semitism. And then the Zionist leaders use it as excuse to scare people to move to Israel because ironically the country causing all their problems is supposedly their only safe haven

        And it’s you zionists that are most to blame for the conflation of zionist and jew. As Annie says, you are deliberately muddying the waters.

        My neighbour is a Pakistani Muslim who works in a bank in the financial district of London. He told me that the day after “Jihadi John” of ISIS beheaded one of the the British hostages, people at his office steered clear of him, looked the other way when he came into the office and treated him in a very cold and unfriendly manner. Why? Because his co workers assumed that as a dark skinned Pakistani Muslim that he condoned and supported what isis did. In fact his accent is eerily similar to Jihadi John who probably has his family roots in Pakistan. But he abhors isis and radical Islam.

        Just as they stupidly assumed my neighbour must support isis, they also assume that all Jews are zionists and nobody is responsible for this conflation more than the Zionists themselves

        Jews are not being attacked just because they are Jewish. They are being attacked as revenge for zionist crimes. If they could get to Netanyahu and Bennett they would but those criminals have protection up to their eyeballs. It’s the unprotected vulnerable other Jews that end up getting the blowback

      • Bornajoo on February 21, 2015, 2:54 pm

        Yonah
        In your comment on the other thread you mentioned uri avnery. Here is his take on Paris and Copenhagen:

        The Fallacy of Rising Anti-Semitism
        by URI AVNERY
        Anti-Semitism is on the rise. All over Europe it is raising its ugly head. Jews are in danger everywhere. They must make haste and come home to Israel before it is too late.

        True? Untrue?

        Nonsense.

        Practically all the alarming incidents which have taken place in Europe recently – especially in Paris and Copenhagen – in which Jews were killed or attacked – had nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

        All these outrages were conducted by young Muslims, mostly of Arab descent. They were part of the ongoing war between Israelis and Arabs that has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. They are not descended from the pogrom in Kishinev and not related to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

        In theory, Arab anti-Semitism is an oxymoron, since Arabs are Semites. Indeed, Arabs may be more Semitic then Jews, because Jews have mingled for many centuries with Gentiles.

        But, of course, the German publicist Wilhelm Marr, who probably invented the term Antisemitismus in 1880 (after inventing the term Semitismus seven years earlier) never met an Arab in his life. For him the only Semites were Jews, and his crusade was solely against them.

        (Adolf Hitler, who took his racism seriously, applied it to all Semites. He could not stand Arabs either. Contrary to legend, he disliked the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who had fled to Germany. After meeting him once for a photo-opportunity arranged by the Nazi propaganda machine, he never agreed to meet him again.)

        So why do young Muslims in Europe shoot Jews, after killing cartoonists who have insulted The Prophet?

        Experts say that the basic reason is their profound hatred for their host countries, in which they feel (quite rightly) that they are despised, humiliated and discriminated against. In countries like France, Belgium, Denmark and many others, their violent rage needs an outlet.

        But why the Jews?

        There are at least two main reasons:

        The first is local. French Muslims are mostly immigrants from North Africa. During the desperate struggle for Algerian independence, almost all the Algerian Jews sided with the colonialist regime against the local freedom fighters. When all Jews and many Arabs emigrated from Algeria to France, they brought their fight with them. Since they now live side by side in the crowded ghettos around Paris and elsewhere, their mutual hatred lives on and often leads to violence.

        The second reason is the ongoing Arab-Zionist conflict, which started with the mass immigration of Jews to Arab Palestine, continued with the long list of wars and is now in full bloom. Practically every Arab in the world, and most Muslims are emotionally involved in the conflict.

        But what have French Jews to do with that far-away conflict? Everything.

        When Binyamin Netanyahu does not miss an opportunity to declare that he represents all the Jews in the world, he makes all the world’s Jews responsible for Israeli policies and actions.

        When Jewish institutions in France, the US and everywhere totally and uncritically identify with the policies and operations of Israel, such as the recent Gaza war, they turn themselves voluntarily into potential victims of revenge actions. The French Jewish leadership, CRIF, did so just now.

        Neither of these reasons has anything to do with anti-Semitism.

        Anti-semitism is an integral part of European culture.

        Many theories have been put forward to explain this totally illogical phenomenon, which borders on a collective mental disease.

        My own preferred theory is religious. All over Europe, and now also in the Americas, Christian children in their formative years hear the stories of the New Testament. They learn that a Jewish mob was shouting for the blood of Jesus, the gentle and mild preacher, while the Roman prefect, Pontius Pilatus, was desperately trying to save his life. The Roman is depicted as a humane, likeable person, while the Jews are seen as a vile, despicable mob.

        This story cannot be true. Roman rulers all over the Empire used to crucify potential troublemakers. The behavior of the Jewish authorities in the story does not conform to Jewish law. But the New Testament story, written long after the death of Jesus (whose real Hebrew name was Jeshua), was aimed at the Roman audience the Christians were trying to convert, in hot competition with the Jewish missionaries.

        Also, the early Christians were a small, persecuted sect in Jewish Jerusalem, and their grudge lives on to this very day.

        The picture of the evil Jews crying out for the death of Jesus is unconsciously imprinted in the minds of the Christian multitudes and has inspired Jew-hatred in every new generation. The results were slaughter, mass-expulsions, inquisition, persecution in every form, pogroms, and finally the Holocaust.

        There has never been anything like this in Muslim history.

        The Prophet had some small wars with neighboring Jewish tribes, but the Koran contains strict instructions on how to deal with Jews and Christians, the People of the Book. They had to be treated fairly and were exempted from military duty in return for a poll tax. Throughout the ages there were some rare anti-Jewish (and anti-Christian) outbreaks here and there, but Jews in Muslim lands fared incomparably better than in Christian ones.

        If this had not been so, there would have been no “Golden Age” of Muslim-Jewish cultural symbiosis in medieval Spain. It would have been impossible for the Muslim Ottoman empire to accept and absorb almost all the hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees from medieval Spain, driven out by their Catholic Majesties, Ferdinand and Isabella. The outstanding Jewish religious thinker, Moses Maimonides (the “Rambam”) could not have become the personal physician and adviser of the outstanding Muslim sultan, Salah-al-Din al-Ayubi (Saladin).

        The present conflict started as a clash between two national movements, Jewish Zionism and secular Arab nationalism, and had only slight religious overtones. As my friends and I have warned many times, it is now turning into a religious conflict – a calamity with potentially grievous consequences.

        Nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

        So why does the entire Israeli propaganda machine, including all Israeli media, insist that Europe is experiencing a catastrophic rise of anti-Semitism? In order to call upon European Jews to come to Israel (in Zionist terminology: “make Aliya”).

        For a Zionist true believer, every Jew’s arrival in Israel is an ideological victory. Never mind that once in Israel, new immigrants – especially from countries like Ethiopia and Ukraine – are neglected.

        As I have frequently quoted: “Israelis like immigration but don’t like immigrants”.

        In the wake of the recent events in Paris and Copenhagen, Binyamin Netanyahu has publicly called upon French and Danish Jews to pack up and come at once to Israel for their own safety. The prime ministers of both countries have furiously protested against these calls, which insinuate that they are unable or unwilling to protect their own citizens. I suppose that no leader likes a foreign politician to call upon his citizens to leave.

        There is something grotesque in this call: as the late Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz remarked, Israel is the only place in the world where Jewish lives are in constant danger. With a war every few years and violent incidents almost every day, he had a point.

        But in the wake of the dramatic events, many “French” Jews – originally from North Africa – may be induced to leave France. They may not all come to Israel. The US, French Canada and Australia offer tempting alternatives.

        There are many good reasons for a Jew to come to Israel: a mild climate, the Hebrew language, living among fellow Jews, and what not. But running away from anti-Semites is not one of them.

        Is there real anti-Semitism in Europe? I assume that there is.

        In many European countries there are old and new super-nationalist groups, who try to attract the masses by hatred of the Other. Jews are the Others par excellence (along with Gypsies/Roma). An ethno-religious group dispersed in many countries, belonging and not belonging to their host countries, with foreign – and therefore sinister – beliefs and rituals. All the European nationalist movements which sprang up in the 19th and 20th centuries were more or less anti-Semitic.

        Jews have always been, and still are, the ideal scapegoat for the European poor. It was the German (non-Jewish) socialist August Bebel who said that “anti-Semitism is the socialism of the stupid guys”.

        With frequent economic slumps and a widening gap between the local poor and the multinational super-rich, the need for scapegoats is rising. But I do not believe that these marginal groups, even if some of them are not so marginal anymore, constitute a real anti-Semitic surge.

        Be that as it may, the outrages in Paris and Copenhagen have nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

        http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/20/the-fallacy-of-rising-anti-semitism/

      • Bornajoo on February 21, 2015, 3:19 pm

        @Yonah
        Here is an excerpt from Andrew Levine’s latest article. A very good read, he talks about chapel Hill, islamaphobia, anti semitism:

        “These days, nearly all expressed animosity towards Jews comes from disaffected Muslim youth; the old anti-Semitism having become nearly extinct.

        Their antipathy comes from the special protections accorded Jews while Islamophobia rages. It also reflects feelings about Israel and the Palestinians.

        The Israeli government and its supporters conflate the problems disaffected Muslims living in Europe have with their Jewish neighbors with the old anti-Semitism, notwithstanding the obvious differences.

        Their aim is to encourage French and other European Jews to emigrate to Israel – supposedly, for their safety (as if Israel were not the least safe place on earth to be a Jew), but actually to counter Palestinian fertility, the “demographic bomb” that Zionists perceive as an “existential threat.”

        Zionists want Jewish bodies, ideally “white” ones from Europe and North America, to counter the high birth rates of Palestinians living in Israel and the Occupied Territories. They fear, reasonably, that, before long, Benjamin Netanyahu’s “nation state of the Jewish people” will find itself without a Jewish majority. Israel could address this “problem,” or at least postpone its onset, by reducing its territorial ambitions. But Zionists who want it all – from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River — are now calling the shots, so the need for Jewish immigrants is acute.

        This is why the move is on to heighten fears of a new anti-Semitic moment in Europe. How ironic this is! A cause of the anxiousness Jewish communities in France — and Denmark and elsewhere — feel is presented as its remedy.”

        http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/20/muslims-lives-matter-too-but-only-in-theory/

      • just on February 21, 2015, 6:19 am

        thanks Bornajoo and oldgeezer.

        +1 x 4!

      • American on February 21, 2015, 8:46 am

        ” When innocent Jews are murdered just because they’re Jews, when Jewish institutions are attacked – that’s Anti-Semitism . By calling it “blowback” you seem to be implying that somehow they had it coming. I think that Anti-Zionists who are not Anti-Semites -like many of those who comment on this blog- have a special responsibility to condemn and take action against the rise of Anti-Semitism, instead of denying that it’s happening. – —–JonS

        When innocent jews are attacked it is because they are symbols of /associated with the Jewish State evilness. Its basically a ‘kick the dog’ acting out of anger and frustration with something or someone because they cant literally kick the real cause of their anger so they kick a jew.
        I dont agree that we have a special responsibility to take action against anti semitism because ‘real’ anti semitism is actually miniscule in the world and you are already protected from it –overly protected from it to the extent that you ‘use’ it to excuse and enable Israel and its supporters.
        This is not ‘real’ anti semitism, meaning a hatred of jews regardless of what they do or dont do or just being jews– it is blowback.
        Blowback can lead to blanket hatred. The entire German population was blamed and punished for Hitler — misplaced and human failing this tendency may be, but that is how the cookie crumbles most often for aggressor nations and its people.

        Its your responsibility to end the ’cause of this blowback.

      • Bornajoo on February 21, 2015, 9:10 am

        “Blowback can lead to blanket hatred. The entire German population was blamed and punished for Hitler — misplaced and human failing this tendency may be, but that is how the cookie crumbles most often for aggressor nations and its people.

        Its your responsibility to end the ’cause of this blowback.”

        +1 American!

        The example of blowback against the whole of the German people for the crimes of the Nazis is an excellent example

      • eljay on February 21, 2015, 9:41 am

        || jon s: When innocent Jews are murdered just because they’re Jews, when Jewish institutions are attacked – that’s Anti-Semitism . ||

        I agree.

        I feel the same way when innocent non-Jews are murdered and non-Jewish institutions are attacked, but some people prefer to refer to those crimes as “(pre-emptive) self-defense” or “collateral damage”.

        || jon s: By calling it “blowback” you seem to be implying that somehow they had it coming. ||

        According to your co-collectivist, JeffB, all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews. Neither you nor any of your Zio-supremacist co-collectivists have bothered to condemn or even to express disagreement with his blatantly anti-Semitic assertion. Why is that?

      • eljay on February 21, 2015, 12:04 pm

        || eljay: … I feel the same way when innocent non-Jews are murdered and non-Jewish institutions are attacked … ||

        That is to say: I feel that the attacks are targeted, not that they’re anti-Semitic.

      • wondering jew on February 21, 2015, 3:26 pm

        bornajoo, the uri avnery piece contains much wisdom and also some foolishness. adolph hitler was not an antisemite. he was a Jew hater. that section is fatuous. (i’ve never used that word before and I will have to look up if that refers only to a person or can refer to an inanimate object like an op ed piece.)

        there is no question that antizionism is the basis of 50 to 88% of the Arab antisemitism on display in the world today. maybe even more. i have two alternate histories in the nonzionist parallel universe: in one the Jews act like middlemen between the west and the Arab world and the result is a smoother west/Arab relationship. the other, more likely is that the Arab world’s lag behind the west plus the west’s thirst for oil would have led to conflict and the Arab world (Islam) would have lashed out at Christianity and at Jews at the same time as representing the west. Jews as representatives of the west would still be a target, but not nearly as vicious a hatred as that aimed at zionism.

        but if you’re a little old Jewish lady who goes to the deli and get shot by one of these demented jihadis, she’s dead because she’s a Jew circa 2015. being a Jew circa 2015 has different implications than a Jew circa 1942 and a realistic view of the global dynamics at this moment should help us rationally discuss what’s happening.

        in my ideal world i can convince the right wingers of the righteousness of the two state solution and i am preparing my rhetoric to convince them and there is no way that i would go down the road of trying to explain to them that that “little old lady in the deli was killed for being Jewish” is false because she was killed because of Zionism. I would not go there and argue that, it’s a losing argument and raises all kinds of emotions and smells of appeasement and in my soul I do not like this kind of appeasement. so yes, i want to discuss the reality and the dynamics. but i also need to keep your appeasing thoughts out of my mind.

      • Bornajoo on February 23, 2015, 8:48 am

        “bornajoo, the uri avnery piece contains much wisdom and also some foolishness”

        Hey Yonah, we agree on something. I agree that the Avnery article contains wisdom but also some foolishness. It was a good article until he started trying to explain that anti semitism always existed due to the role of the Jews in the crucifixion of a fellow Jew known as Jesus Christ. My first reaction was “Christ!”. But I suspect we found different parts of his article to be correct and also misguided

        Yonah, you simply must argue that the little old lady was killed because of zionism and not simply because she was a jew.

        Hypothetical situation: If I’m on a plane and it gets hijacked by some demented jihadis as you call them, then the chances of me getting killed due to my very Jewish surname are higher than a British person with a non Jewish surname. Why is that? Why would they go for me? Well because as a jew I am very unfortunately associated with israel and zionism and killing me is blowback against Israel and zionism.

        What you are saying is that acts of terror (aka freedom fighting) are carried out with the specific purpose of killing Jews. No politics involved. That is the actual main motivation and ideology behind these attacks. Think about it Yonah. That doesn’t stack up

        The little old lady in the kosher deli was killed as blowback. Those guys didn’t go out that day to kill Jews for the sake of killing Jews for no other reason than they were Jews . This was their extremely misguided way of hitting another part of what they consider to be the same group of people who are committing crimes against others.

        And Yonah, these days you as an American, not as a jew, are also more likely to be targeted in such an attack than most other nationalities. Why? Because of American foreign policy, because America has been killing and continues to kill innocent Muslims all over the place. So unfortunately ordinary good Americans are now also targets. And they don’t check if you are a peace living hippie lefty.

        I remember when the worst war criminal of modern times, Tony Blair, decided to join Bush in 2003 in the invasion and slaughtering of Iraqis. One of the first thoughts that came into my head and my like minded friends and family was how much more dangerous he was making it for the rest of us. Even though we were marching in the streets begging him not to embark on that hideously Foolish and disgraceful crime, he just went ahead. As a result of that and other foreign policies British people are also undoubtedly bigger targets and there is no doubt that people have been killed because of it. And you know what Yonah, the crimes we committed in Iraq and elsewhere and the amount of innocent people who were needlessly murdered deserves blowback. But it never happens to the people responsible but usually to wholly innocent members of the same group.

        And let’s discuss your term demented Jihadis. They kill and slaughter innocent people right? Well what is the difference between them and Netanyahu, Bennett and Ya’alon to name a few? In my view and many others around the world these people are the very worst terrorists of all. On top of the ongoing brutal occupation they use 1 ton bombs which they drop on apartment buildings and blow up whole fully innocent men women and children and I won’t list all the other crimes committed by this rogue state as this comment will get too long. But when they do it it’s okay, it’s somehow justified, it’s somehow legal right? Well nor from the point of view of the innocent people being killed and maimed, or their friends and family or by the people who support them worldwide. And it’s been going on for decades

        These kinds of criminal acts can only create hatred, anger, unbearable frustration and are bound to provoke a response. This then leads to blowback and innocent Jews get killed. If they could get to Netanyahu they would but they can’t so they take it out on innocent and vulnerable members of the same group

        But when it happens to Jews it’s nothing to do with any of that, it can only be because Jews are being killed simply because they are Jews and no other reason

        The problem with you agreeing it’s due to blowback is that you and those like you will have to lose your sacred sense of victimhood and I know how important that is to you.

      • annie on February 23, 2015, 8:59 am

        well stated bornajoo

      • just on February 23, 2015, 8:54 am

        Bornajoo~ I just revisited this thread and must thank you for sharing your wisdom, your insight, your experience, and your care for humanity.

        You are such an asset to MW, and have enriched me personally.

      • Bornajoo on February 23, 2015, 9:13 am

        Thanks Just and Annie
        I hope I can live up to those very kind words.
        My contribution is minimal compared to both of yours.
        Actually what time is it over there where you are? You either wake up really early or don’t sleep. I mean Annie’s in the SF area right? How do you do it?

    • Kris on February 18, 2015, 7:03 pm

      jon s, maybe you should check this out, especially the descriptions of Antisocial Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder, which describe Zionists and Israel only too well: http://www.sevencounties.org/poc/view_doc.php?id=564

      As far as antisemitism goes, google is your friend. Use it, and you will find that incidents of antisemitism rise when Israeli violence toward the Palestinians rises.

      Long ago, my mother told her children that if we wanted the other kids to like us, we couldn’t hit them or push them down, or steal their toys, or kick over their block buildings. And if we WERE mean to the other kids, anyway, and went running to Mother to complain that they didn’t invite us to their birthday party, she didn’t even care! She actually thought it was our own fault, and said so!!!!!!!

      I’m not sure why, as “the Chosen People,” you think that whining about the inevitable consequences of your own behavior should impress anyone.

      • just on February 18, 2015, 7:17 pm

        +1, Kris!

      • American on February 21, 2015, 8:52 am

        @ kris

        yep.

        Imagine Israel was a ‘person’ instead of a state.
        What would we do with a ‘individual’ who has committed all the acts/crimes Israel has?
        A person acting like Israel would have been locked up in a prison or mental ward long ago.

      • American on February 21, 2015, 11:54 am

        Bornajoo

        ” The example of blowback against the whole of the German people for the crimes of the Nazis is an excellent example’

        Most people have no idea at all how bad the blowback was on all Germans. The US at the time had a zionist Sec of Treasury, Henry Morgenthau Jr. who implemented the Morgenthau Plan for erasing not only Germany but erasing the German ‘people’. It is so vile in its pure ‘blanket’ hate and revenge its hard to read.

        Morgenthau’s memorandum[edit]

        Morgenthau “Germany is our problem”
        The original memorandum, written sometime between January and early September 1944, signed by Morgenthau, and headed “Suggested Post-Surrender Program for Germany” is preserved at the Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library and Museum. The text, and a facsimile image, can be viewed online.[21]

        The main provisions can be summarized as follows:

        “1. Demilitarization of Germany.
        It should be the aim of the Allied Forces to accomplish the complete demilitarization of Germany in the shortest possible period of time after surrender. This means completely disarming the German Army and people (including the removal or destruction of all war material), the total destruction of the whole German armament industry, and the removal or destruction of other key industries which are basic to military strength.
        2. Partitioning of Germany.
        (a) Poland should get that part of East Prussia which doesn’t go to the USSR and the southern portion of Silesia as indicated on the attached map, (Appendix A).
        (b) France should get the Saar and the adjacent territories bounded by the Rhine and the Moselle rivers.
        (c) As indicated in part 3 an International zone should be created containing the Ruhr and the surrounding industrial areas.
        (d) The remaining portion of Germany should be divided into two autonomous, independent states, (1) a South German state comprising Bavaria, Württemberg, Baden and some smaller areas and (2) a North German state comprising a large part of the old state of Prussia, Saxony, Thuringia and several smaller states.
        There shall be a custom union between the new South German state and Austria, which will be restored to her pre-1938 political borders.
        3. The Ruhr Area.
        (The Ruhr, surrounding industrial areas, as shown on the attached map, including the Rhineland, the Kiel Canal, and all German territory north of the Kiel Canal.)
        Here lies the heart of German industrial power, the cauldron of wars. This area should not only be stripped of all presently existing industries but so weakened and controlled that it can not in the foreseeable future become an industrial area. The following steps will accomplish this:
        (a) Within a short period, if possible not longer than 6 months after the cessation of hostilities, all industrial plants and equipment not destroyed by military action shall either be completely dismantled and removed from the area or completely destroyed. All equipment shall be removed from the mines and the mines shall be thoroughly wrecked.
        It is anticipated that the stripping of this area would be accomplished in three stages:
        (i) The military forces immediately upon entry into the area shall destroy all plants and equipment which cannot be removed.
        (ii) Removal of plants and equipment by members of the United Nations as restitution and reparation (Paragraph 4).
        (iii) All plants and equipment not removed within a stated period of time, say 6 months, will be completely destroyed or reduced to scrap and allocated to the United Nations.
        (b) All people within the area should be made to understand that this area will not again be allowed to become an industrial area. Accordingly, all people and their families within the area having special skills or technical training should be encouraged to migrate permanently from the area and should be as widely dispersed as possible.
        (c) The area should be made an international zone to be governed by an international security organization to be established by the United Nations. In governing the area the international organization should be guided by policies designed to further the above stated objectives.
        4. Restitution and Reparation.
        Reparations, in the form of recurrent payments and deliveries, should not be demanded. Restitution and reparation shall be effected by the transfer of existing German resources and territories, e.g.
        (a) by restitution of property looted by the Germans in territories occupied by them;
        (b) by transfer of German territory and German private rights in industrial property situated in such territory to invaded countries and the international organization under the program of partition;
        (c) by the removal and distribution among devastated countries of industrial plants and equipment situated within the International Zone and the North and South German states delimited in the section on partition;
        (d) by forced German labor outside Germany; and
        (e) by confiscation of all German assets of any character whatsoever outside of Germany.”
        5. Education and Propoganda. (a) All schools and universities will be closed until an Allied Commission of Education has formulated an effective reorginization program. It is contemplated that it may require a considerable periodof time before any institutions of higher education are reopened. Mean-while the education of German students in foreign universities willnot be prohibited. Elementary schools will be reopened as quickly asappropriate teachers and textbooks are available. (b) All German radio stations and newspapers, magazines, weeklies,etc. shall be discontinued until adequate controls are established and an appropriate program formulated

        6. Political Decentralization. The military administration in Germany in the initial period shouldbe carried out with a view toward the eventual partitioning of Germanyinto three states. To facilitate partitioning and to assure itspermanence the military authorities should be guided by the followingprinciples: (a) Dismiss all policy-making officials of the Reich governmentand deal primarily with local governments. (b) Encourage the reestablishment of state governments in each of the states (Lander) corresponding to 18 states into which Germanyis presently divided and in addition make the Prussian provinces seperate states. (c) Upon the partition of Germany, the various state governments should be encouraged to organize a federal government for each of thenewly partitioned areas. Such new governments should be in the form of a confederation of states, with emphasis on states’ rights and a large degree of local automony.

        7. Responsibility of Military for Local German Economy. The sole purpose of the military in control of the German economyshall be to facilitate military operations and military occupation. The Allied Military Government shall not assume responsibility for such economis problems as price controls, rationing, unemployment, production, reconstruction, distribution, consumption, housing, or transportation, or take any measures designed to maintain or strengthen operations. The responsibility for sustaining the German economy and people rests with the German people with such facilities as may be available under the circumstances.

        8. Controls over Development of German Economy. During a period of at least twenty years after surrender adequate controls, including controls over foreign trade and tight restrictions on capital imports, shall be maintained by teh United Nations designed to prevent in the newly-established states the establishment or expan- sion of key industries basic to the German military potential and tocontrol other key industries.

        9. Punishment of War Crimes and Treatment of Special Groups. There is attached (Appendix B) a program for the punishment ofcertain war crimes and for the treatment of Nazi orginizations and other special groups.

        10. Wearing of Insignia and Uniforms. (a) No person in German (except members of the United Nations andneutral countries) shall be permitted to wear any military insignia of rank or branch of service, service ribbons or military medals.
        (b) No such persons shall be permitted to wear, after 6 months from the cessation of hostilities any military uniform or any uniformof any quasi military orginizations.

        11. Prohibition on Parades. No military parades shall be permitted anywhere in German and all military bands shall be disbaded.

        12. Aircraft. All aircraft (including gliders), whether military or commercial, will be confiscated for later disposition. No German shall be permittedto operate or to help operate such aircraft, including those owned by foreign interests.

        13. United States Responsibility. (a) The responsibility of for the execution of the post-surrenderprogram for Germany set forth in this memorandum is the joint responsibilityof the United Nations. The execution of the joint policy agreedupon shall therefore eventually be entrusted to the internationalbody which emerges from United Nations discussions. Consideration of the specific measures to be taken in carrying out the joint program suggests the desireability of seperating the taskto be performed during the initial period of military occupation fromthose which will require a much longer period of execution. While theU.S., U.K., and U.S.S.R. will, for practical reasons, play the major role(of course aided by the miltary forces of the United Nations) in demilitarizing Germany (point 1) the detailed execution of other parts of the program can best be handled by Germany’s continental neighbors. (b) When Germany has been completely demilitarized there would be the following distribution of duties in carrying out the Germanprogram: (i) The U.S. would have military and civilian representation on whatever international commission or commissions may be establishedfor the execution of the whole German program and such representatives should have adequate U.S. staffs. (ii) The primary responsibility for the policing of Germanyand for Civil administration in Germany would be assumed by the military forces of Germany’s continental neighbors. Specifically, these should include Russian, French, Polish, Cech, Greek, Yugoslav, Norwegian,Dutch and Belgian soldiers. (c) Under this program United States troops could be withdrawn within a relatively short time. Actual withdrawl of United States troops should not precede agreement with the U.S.S.R. and the U.K.on the principles set forth in this memorandum.

        14. Appointment of an American High Commissioner An American High Commissioner for Germany should be appointed as soon as possible, so that he can sit in on the development of the American views on this problem.>>>>

        Morgenthau’s plan went even further when he sent what the commanders of the US occupation forces called ‘the Morgenthau boys’ to enforce his plan and oversee the US occupation of Germany. Morgenthau had set out the exact amount of calories a German was allowed per day in food. It was forbidden for any US forces or members to ‘share food’ , even ‘left over food’ had to be thrown out rather than given to any Germans. I have forgotten the exact figures regarding the deaths due to this enforced starvation among Germans during this time but it was so abominable it was part of the reason congress, besides being convinced of the need for an industrial Germany for the economy of Europe, finally caught on to what Morgenthau was doing and Gen Marshall was brought in with the Marshall plan.

        The zionist and Israel better pray the world‘s ‘revenge gene’ isn’t as strong as theirs.

        Even prior to the war there were collective punishments (sanctions)of Germans by several US congressional zionist—cne of the most glaring was when a jewish senator killed a shipment of milk for children from the US to Germany in the 1930’s when Germans were also starving due to the recession—his reason was Germany wasnt treating the jews right—as if denying German children milk was going to change the attitude toward the jews. It only made it worse because it was reported in the news naturally and Germans knew who was denying their children life saving milk.
        Stupid, vengeful and self defeating–the zionist.

      • Bornajoo on February 22, 2015, 4:17 am

        @American .
        “I have forgotten the exact figures regarding the deaths due to this enforced starvation among Germans during this time but it was so abominable it was part of the reason congress, besides being convinced of the need for an industrial Germany for the economy of Europe, finally caught on to what Morgenthau was doing and Gen Marshall was brought in with the Marshall plan.”

        I hadn’t realised just how severe it was. I’ve been reading a few sources. There are various estimates of death from starvation during the years the plan was implemented ranging from 1.5 million to several million Germans.

        And I note that:
        “Morgenthau resigned in mid-1945, when Truman became President and Morgenthau’s advice was no longer sought. He devoted the remainder of his life to working with Jewish philanthropies, and also became a financial advisor to Israel”.
        http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Jr.

        The German people suffered terribly for what the Nazis did and it was based on the same misguided hatred that fuels most instances of blowback, in this case by a Jewish American zionist with huge political power and influence.

        Not all Germans were responsible for what happened to the Jews, it was mainly the nazis and their supporters. But nearly all Germans were severely and collectively punished.

        Both crimes were equally as bad but very few people know about one of them.

      • American on February 21, 2015, 4:19 pm

        ” My own preferred theory is religious.

        All over Europe, and now also in the Americas, Christian children in their formative years hear the stories of the New Testament. They learn that a Jewish mob was shouting for the blood of Jesus, the gentle and mild preacher, while the Roman prefect, Pontius Pilatus, was desperately trying to save his life.
        The Roman is depicted as a humane, likeable person, while the Jews are seen as a vile, despicable mob.
        This story cannot be true. Roman rulers all over the Empire used to crucify potential troublemakers.
        The behavior of the Jewish authorities in the story does not conform to Jewish law.
        But the New Testament story, written long after the death of Jesus (whose real Hebrew name was Jeshua), was aimed at the Roman audience the Christians were trying to convert, in hot competition with the Jewish missionaries.
        Also, the early Christians were a small, persecuted sect in Jewish Jerusalem, and their grudge lives on to this very day.

        The picture of the evil Jews crying out for the death of Jesus is unconsciously imprinted in the minds of the Christian multitudes and has inspired Jew-hatred in every new generation.

        The results were slaughter, mass-expulsions, inquisition, persecution in every form, pogroms, and finally the Holocaust – “”
        >>>>>>>>>>>>>

        Well that ends any respect for Uri Avnery. While trying to say the present Jewish resentment in Europe has nothing to do with real anti semitism —he cant help himself and has to reinforce anti semitism as a disease in which jews are always the scapegoats for the irrational grudges of the collective of christians and poor.
        Also news to me as a kid who had to go to day Episcopal bible school a week in the summer and went to a catholic jesuit school that I was schooled to hate evil jews as christ killers…I remember much more about Pilate being the evil guy than jews. That might apply to some fringe religious retards but not to the vast vast majority of people.
        A long time ago when I first started hearing this stuff I went to the jewishvirituallibrary and picked some persecutions of the Jews from their long list of persecutions and started investigating some to see exactly what was going on in these. I dont remember the numbers of which turned out to be accurate –meaning the jews and jews alone were specificaly targeted in these events—but I found too many that were not accurate—meaning that on many occasions when jews were killed it was part of and they were part of a larger conflict in which they ended up in a battle or on the losing side and were killed along with many non jews by the victors of the conflict. Some were religious or labeled religious but under it all was usually the same old thing, a war for power and resources.

        No one is going to deny that jews were specifically targeted in the Inquisition and holocaust as jews or in some other instances—but this myth that they ‘always’ were and that the ‘only’ cause of it was irrational sick christians and poor people is ridiculous .

        Its not real history…and if the Avnery’s are so ignorant of real history or so dishonest they cant admit that often the anti semitism of the past also arose out of just the kind of jews vr others conflicts and even wider conflicts that many groups chose up sides for as we are seeing now–well then they are hopeless and no help to the jews long term.
        Their ‘denial’ about this is exhusting, I dont know why I even waste my energy on it any more.

      • wondering jew on February 23, 2015, 7:10 pm

        american- Morgenthau, who wanted to punish Germany for killing millions of Jews and starting WWII, and the congressmen who wanted to impose sanctions on Germany due to their anti Jewish policies were not Zionists (or only incidentally Zionists). They may have reacted to the mistreatment of Jews differently than their fellow Americans might have chosen to do so because of identification with those Jews in Germany that an American of nonJewish persuasion would not have felt, but to identify them as Zionists based on this identification, rather than on a policy of statehood on the parcel of land known as Israel/Palestine and also an attitude towards the indigenous of that parcel of land that they had/have less rights on that land than Jews, that person is a Zionist. A desire to punish Germany for its mistreatment of Jews is not Zionism and to use the term Zionist to describe a Jew of such a policy is to confuse Zionism and Jewish identity. And such a confusion leads to Jew hatred.

      • annie on February 24, 2015, 8:02 am

        to use the term Zionist to describe a Jew of such a policy is to confuse Zionism and Jewish identity. And such a confusion leads to Jew hatred.

        good point

      • eljay on February 24, 2015, 8:20 am

        || y.f.: A desire to punish Germany for its mistreatment of Jews is not Zionism … ||

        I agree. And a desire to punish Israel for its past and on-going mistreatment of Palestinians is not anti-Semitism, but Zio-supremacists won’t hear of it.

        || … and to use the term Zionist to describe a Jew of such a policy is to confuse Zionism and Jewish identity. And such a confusion leads to Jew hatred. ||

        I agree that it is wrong to hold all Jews responsible for the crimes of Zionism. JeffBeee, however, disagrees…and none of the Zio-supremacists here at MW seems bothered by his position on the matter.

    • eljay on February 18, 2015, 7:20 pm

      || jon seee: The consensus on this blog as to the rise in Anti-Semitism … ||

      …doesn’t change the fact that Israel:
      – was born of Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
      – has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians for over 60 years and with impunity;
      – refuses to honour its obligations under international law;
      – refuses to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and on-going (war) crimes;
      – refuses to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace; and
      – exists as a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” – a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews – rather than as a secular and democratic Israeli state – a state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally.

      • Mooser on February 19, 2015, 3:33 pm

        “Eljay” I fear you have some misconceptions about how the Internet works. It is an inexorable law of the Internet that if “Jon s” or “Dabakr” (or any of that herd of ilk) can find “the thing”. Mondoweiss will immediately shut down. The “thing” of course, is the completely undeniable accusation of anti-semitism, bias, maybe a factual mistake, who knows, but it must be there, and they are going to find it. Oh, the awesome power they hold in their hands!
        Oh yeah, the entire staff and most of the commentors have to commit ritual suicide when it happens, so it’ll be ugly. But we practiced the vice, so we will have to pay the price.

    • ziusudra on February 19, 2015, 7:24 am

      Greetings jon s,

      (c) It’s continuing because of the Judaic Clergy ‘s enslavement of world jewry by demanding a strict diet of masochism in the Talmud & the Mitzvot. Listen to Moses Maimonides & Moses Mendelssohn; go for reform freeing world jewry.
      ziusudra
      PS Pssst, label me an anti-Masochist.

    • annie on February 21, 2015, 9:25 am

      (b) It’s hapenning because of Zionism, because of Israel, the Jews themselves are to blame. –

      close, but no cigar (a) It’s happening because of Zionism, because of Israel, the zionists themselves are to blame.

      By calling it “blowback” you seem to be implying that somehow they had it coming.

      by calling them “jews” (and not zionists) you seem to be implying that somehow they had it coming. now the zionists, and their supporters, they are to blame. by deflecting that blame you’re choosing to muddy the waters, using all jews as some kind of a rhetorical crutch in a word game. not nice but also dangerous. jews are not a weapon you can wield against your opponents, they are not your human shield. just because you are one does not give you (or netanyahu, or boteach or anyone else) license to speak in all their names. you should be ashamed jon.

      • Bornajoo on February 21, 2015, 9:43 am

        “by calling them “jews” (and not zionists) you seem to be implying that somehow they had it coming. now the zionists, and their supporters, they are to blame. by deflecting that blame you’re choosing to muddy the waters, using all jews as some kind of a rhetorical crutch in a word game. not nice but also dangerous. jews are not a weapon you can wield against your opponents, they are not your human shield. just because you are one does not give you (or netanyahu) license to speak in all their names. you should be ashamed jon.”

        Brilliantly stated Annie. +100! Thank you

  13. JLewisDickerson on February 18, 2015, 5:47 pm

    RE: “I heard [Abbas] at the United Nations both in 2012 and 2013, just to hear the speeches, it’s vile, it’s poisonous, there’s no bridging or looking at something,” said Prosor.

    MY SNARK: How incredibly substantive! ! !

  14. crone on February 18, 2015, 5:55 pm

    Anti-Israelism IS definitely on the rise. And justifiably so.

    Problem is that anti-Israelism leads to anti-semitism (a misnomer, imho… but that’s another problem).

    Desertpeace discusses this… very well I think.

    Anti-Israelism vs. Anti-Semitism: The Truth We Should All Know

    … “What was the biggest factor behind the rise in the number of anti-Semitic incidents in the UK? In the CST’s own words it was “anti-Semitic reactions to the conflict in Israel and Gaza.” In its own way that finding is surely an indicator that Israel’s policies and actions are the prime cause of the transformation of anti-Israelism into anti-Semitism. It also underlines Harkabi’s point that Jews need to understand “that foreigners’ criticism of Israel stems not only from opportunism, hatred and anti-Semitism, but from what they may see as fair and moral considerations.”

    My conclusions?

    The only people who can stop the transformation of anti-Israelism into anti-Semitism gathering momentum are the Jews themselves, with those who are citizens of the European nations and America taking the lead.

    How could they do it?

    Short answer – by declaring that Israel does not speak for or represent them and that they condemn its defiance of international law and denial of justice for the Palestinians.

    If they don’t do that there will most likely be a final Zionist ethnic cleansing of Palestine followed at some point by a wide awake giant of anti-Semitism going on the rampage again.

    If it really is the case that the sleeping giant of anti-Semitism is waking up, it’s time for European and American Jews to wake up to the fact that the title of my book – Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews – is what Ilan Pappe described it as being… “THE truth in seven words.”

    ~ Alan Hart

    https://desertpeace.wordpress.com/

    • American on February 19, 2015, 11:49 am

      ” The only people who can stop the transformation of anti-Israelism into anti-Semitism gathering momentum are the Jews themselves, with those who are citizens of the European nations and America taking the lead. How could they do it? Short answer – by declaring that Israel does not speak for or represent them and that they condemn its defiance of international law and denial of justice for the Palestinians. – “”

      They will have to do more than that–they will have to * actively go against Israel and the I-fifth column.
      But I dont think you are going to get *enough of them to do that.
      The problem is that jews collectively enjoy many special benefits that have been secured for them by the Zionist leadership—-they are not willingly going to give those benefits up—it goes against most people’s human nature to give up privilages or protections they enjoy—-without sufficient reason, like a downside to continuing them.
      So far there has been no downside to Isr and jewish entitlement.
      When there is they might break with their zionist leadership and turn hard enough against jewish support of Isr.

      The other problem is how do you turn or *activate enough of them to be any kind of force? Without some downside I dont see the majority Jews getting involved against Israel. All the action on Israel will stay zionist and liberal zionist with a smattering of anti zionist.
      I dont see it coming from within and I dont see it coming from outsiders criticisms cause they arent going to listen to outsiders anyway.
      It has to be political imo and come from changing politicians on Isr….creating a huge *downside for them in supporting Isr.
      And means how to get politicians away from the I-First lobby money and intimitation.
      If not done, then what Hart says about a gaint awakening of anti semitism could definitely be precipated as Isr moves on to even more insane acts and demands.

  15. just on February 18, 2015, 6:50 pm

    O/T, but it made me lol~ via Max B:

    Max Blumenthal
    “Jesus wins. Case closed”

    https://twitter.com/maxblumenthal

    in response to Franklin Graham’s:

    “Mohammed is dead, buried in Medinah. Jesus is alive at the rt hand of the Father in Heaven. Who do u want to follow-the living or the dead?”

    the comments are quite amusing, and I am NOT disparaging anyone’s religious faith/no faith… or anything.

    • lysias on February 18, 2015, 6:58 pm

      That’s the mistake Medieval Christians in Western Europe made, thinking that Muslims worship Mohammed.

      • just on February 18, 2015, 7:04 pm

        Bingo, lysias! Lots of folks still don’t get it.

        Thank you.

  16. JWalters on February 18, 2015, 7:14 pm

    Jewish Americans are not under dire threat. The Zionist model has been a failure as a safe haven for Jews. The root reason is that it was built upon massive, ongoing injustice, which has caused massive blowback.

    Samantha Power has turned out to be a huge disappointment on this issue. I can only attribute her amazing blindness to her marriage. Interesting how powerful that can be.

    Boteach and Prosor need to read the Mondoweiss article on how they have been emotionally manipulated.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/palestine-zionist-education/

    • ziusudra on February 19, 2015, 7:45 am

      Greetings JWalters,
      ….Zionism……
      If a Jew lives outside of Israel why would he choose to be a Zionist?
      Euro & US Jews don’t need Zionism as a modus vivendi in their countries.
      If Jews even Sabras leave Israel, is there a reason to remain a Zionist?

      I can understand the American Irish support of Ireland between 1850 &
      1921, but not the non stop Diklum of ist citizenry for Zionism.
      Zionistan needs no help keeping its 33 prisons full of Falesteeni. Annexing
      every m2 yiddle by yiddle, enjoying 100% of Falesteeni resources with impunity.
      The rent is paid in advance by the US & Euro.
      Jewish citizenry in Israel doesn’t need Zionism, as we Americans don’t
      need the CIA in our daily lives neither do the Israelis.
      ziusudra

  17. talknic on February 18, 2015, 8:07 pm

    “I heard [Abbas] at the United Nations both in 2012 and 2013, just to hear the speeches, it’s vile, it’s poisonous, there’s no bridging or looking at something,”

    I wonder who he was listening to http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/full-transcript-of-abbas-speech-at-un-general-assembly-1.386385

  18. Mayhem on February 18, 2015, 10:23 pm

    Last month the former AP reporter Matti Friedman delivered a resounding speech exposing the wilful distortion of the facts concerning Israel in the media. Expanding on a widely-noted argument first set out in Tablet and The Atlantic, Friedman spoke about how the media dissect and magnify Israel’s flaws while purposely erasing those of its enemies. He spoke about a fashionable and extravagant disgust for Israel among many in the West, and the rise of a ‘cult of the Occupation’ which positions Jewish arrogance and perfidy  at the heart of all the problems of the Middle East. Friedman’s inside information supports exactly what Boteach and Prosor contend and exposes the campaign for deliberately biased, unjustifiable treatment of Israel in the world arena.
    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5PZYuQ6NBI?feature=player_embedded&w=640&h=360%5D

    Prosor delivered a resounding speech to the UN recently which is hard to refute. I would hope for rational responses to it rather than the usual flurry of abuse that comes forth from Mondoweiss’ hardcore. Where have all the thinking minds gone – all we are left with are the Moosers and Seafoids of the world who can only scream blue murder to anything that gets said.

    • talknic on February 19, 2015, 8:51 am

      @ Mayhem “Last month the former AP reporter Matti Friedman delivered a resounding speech exposing the wilful distortion of the facts concerning Israel in the media.”

      LOL. Matti Freedman is an Israeli who lives Jerusalem. According to International Law, Jerusalem is not Israeli. He’s no more than another apologist for Israel practicing the usual whataboutery and willfully ignoring the fact that Israeli intransigence is in territories that are outside of its sovereign extent and that he along with hundreds of thousands of other Israelis is another illegal settler

      The UN Charter is quite clear in respect to the internal and external matters of state.

      A) Under Plan Dalet Jewish forces were outside the State of Israel from the moment Israel’s borders came into effect at precisely 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf longer than any other conflict!
      B) Israel is chastised because it is not acting within its sovereign extent and has been afforded far more opportunities by the UNSC to comply with the law than any other nation on the planet! Opportunities Israel has completely ignored WITHOUT consequence
      C) There’s heaps about the other conflicts he mentions Turks and Kurds British Soldiers and Iraqi Muslims …. Tibet and Hann Chinese
      China has UNSC veto. There’s no point in even attempting to table a resolution against the permanent UNSC powers. He waffles on about internal matters of state in Mexico etc., where there is no comparison to a state such as Israel acting outside the extent of its sovereignty.

      “Prosor delivered a resounding speech to the UN recently which is hard to refute”

      Uh huh ” …. There is no excuse for targeting civilians and UN workers.” odd, Israel thinks of all manner of excuses to include civilians and UN workers, journalists, NGOs children. Purposefully factors them into its collateral calculator, then purposefully fire its hi-tech human slaughtering armaments

      “… Israel is an island of stability and democracy.” Wow! I’d have thought Prosor would have read the Israeli Declaration o statehood. It says nothing about democracy. In fact it says this “The state of Israel ….will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel and; surely a man in his position is aware that Israel has never had a legally elected Government, under the legally required, promised but yet to be written constitution!

      “It is a nation in which the majority governs, but the minority enjoys equal rights” That’s odd http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.643155 //// http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/12/israel-palestinian-spouses-ban ////
      http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-arabs-have-no-choice-but-to-build-illegally-1.304777

      ” a nation that embraces diversity and welcomes diverse opinions” Oh dear poor chap has really lost it now

      “.. a nation that leads the world in human rights and encourages women to be leaders.” WOW!!! But a nation that doesn’t even allow women freedom of religion

      “I would hope for rational responses to it”

      See above … nothing hard to refute. The man is a propagandist, peddling nonsense

      “Where have all the thinking minds gone – all we are left with are the Moosers and Seafoids of the world who can only scream blue murder to anything that gets said”

      Uh?

      • Mooser on February 19, 2015, 3:50 pm

        “Uh?”

        “Talknic” it occurs to me that for a guy who says he wants to be front-and-center for Israel, most of the time what we see of “Mayhem” is the back of him! As he scampers off to avoid answering questions.
        I fear for his health, too. He’s got a distinctly jaundiced strip on his abdomen! Possibly a hepatic disorder?

    • eljay on February 19, 2015, 9:10 am

      || Mayhemeee @ February 18, 2015, 10:23 pm ||

      Once again, a Zio-supremacist glosses over the fact that Israel – an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” born of Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands:
      – remains engaged in a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
      – refuses to honour its obligations under international law;
      – refuses to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
      – refuses to engage in sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      It’s everyone’s fault but Israel’s that Israel continues to steal, occupy and colonize Palestinian land and oppress, torture and kill Palestinians.

      Aggressor-victimhood is a tough gig… :-(

    • Mooser on February 19, 2015, 3:44 pm

      “Last month the former AP reporter Matti Friedman delivered…”

      Mayhem steps in it again. It’s like he’s following a bullshit metal detector.

    • Marnie on February 21, 2015, 4:17 am

      There is a tremendous amount of projection in your posts. That actually is a treatable condition, but you have to want to get well.

  19. RoHa on February 18, 2015, 10:30 pm

    “Instead, he said Europe has a responsibility to protect Jews.”

    European countries have a responsibility to protect everyone, not just Jews, within their borders, and I think they know that already.

  20. Pixel on February 18, 2015, 11:54 pm

    Thanks, Alex!

    A day without Shmuley is a day without sunshine.

    • Theo on February 19, 2015, 11:59 am

      Did you not try to say: A day without Shmuley is a day WITH glorious sunshine?

  21. concernedhuman on February 19, 2015, 3:40 am

    What next?

    Palestinians living and breathing will be a threat to jews?

    And this is the same Boatech that did not say a word when the the influential Sheldon Adelson advocated for dropping nukes on Iran?

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/adelson-nuclear-negotiate

  22. SonofDaffyDuck on February 19, 2015, 10:08 am

    With every article (including the utterings of Indyk in Brookings this morning)it is undeniable that US foreign policy in the Middle East is principally structured to protect Israeli hegemony in the region.
    With shifts in energy reserves, oil is no longer an excuse for squandering blood and treasure in the area. What else remains?
    As long as Isreali policy is built on destabilization of states it does not control (Egypt and Jordan are “controlled” through American money), and we support it, we will be up to our ankles in blood.
    The Americans need to establish priorities of national interest. If Israel is to be put above all other interests….then accept perpetual war.

  23. a blah chick on February 19, 2015, 10:39 am

    Have you read his twitter feed? Hilarious.

    “Rabbi Shmuley @RabbiShmuley · 9h 9 hours ago
    Stanford Falls to BDS: The dominoes are falling one by one…”

    Poland, Vietnam, now Stanford!

  24. pjdude on February 19, 2015, 10:26 pm

    is there anything these 2 think doesn’t threaten jews?

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