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“Run Liz Run,” by Reeves Wiedeman in The New Yorker, reports on a New York party with a lot of celebrities pushing Elizabeth Warren to get in. Presumably a lot of these folks oppose Hillary Clinton’s hawkish foreign policy. But.

A hundred and fifty people mingled in [Julie] Pacino’s loft, listening to speeches from Warren supporters. After one audience member posed a question about Warren’s stance on Palestine, the organizers decided that there had been enough dialogue, turned on the music, and told everyone to dance.

You may remember that Elizabeth Warren herself ran away from the Gaza question last summer. Good luck maintaining this policy. US progressives are reaching consensus.

Philip Weiss

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  1. pabelmont on February 12, 2015, 11:43 am

    Warren has taken on the banks, that slice of the oligarchy which rules America which I call BIG-BANKS. Can she also be asked to take on (assuming she even understands the issues) the Palestine question (sometimes with some justification aka the Jewish problem)? People who read Mondoweiss year after year do understand the issues, but not everyone is immersed in I/P.

    Hillary on the other hand understands completely but has apparently allied herself with the money, what I call BIG-ZION. Ho-hum human rights.

    Not (yet) a pretty sight. Maybe the Netanyahu hoo-haw will change things a bit. But BIG-ZION is not going away. Even Warren knows that much about I/P.

    • joemowrey on February 12, 2015, 1:09 pm

      I think the days when politicians can claim ignorance of the core issues concerning Palestine are long past. The truth is out there. A few hours on the internet and Warren could have all the information she needs. One does not have to be immersed in the subject to be aware of the obvious injustice of the situation and the human rights abuses being perpetrated by Israel. I suspect Warren takes the position she does on Palestine precisely because of her interest in the money she can receive from supporters of Zionism, and also to avoid the wrath of the Israel Lobby.

      If she is indeed completely ignorant of the realities of the situation in Palestine, is this someone we want to be holding public office, in particular the Presidency?

      • seafoid on February 12, 2015, 5:06 pm

        When is the last time people like you had a say, Joe? When is the last time there was a decent President ?

      • piotr on February 13, 2015, 10:30 am

        It does not totally excuse Warren, but internet resembles “Library of Babel” from a story of Jorge Louis Borges, with every book that was and could be written, hence also containing books with every possible error.

        In other words, you cannot use it without some prior knowledge.

      • SonofDaffyDuck on February 13, 2015, 10:57 pm

        Didn’t she make her first trip to Israel recently. Is there a better indicator that she will run?

    • Kathleen on February 12, 2015, 4:48 pm

      You ask a very important question can Warren take on both…Big Banks and the I lobby? She certainly has the capacity to get down to the roots of an issue. However have heard her step in line when it comes to repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran. She repeats clearly what she knows is required

    • seafoid on February 12, 2015, 5:05 pm

      What did she do with the banks in reality? they still shaft America, still pay stupid bonuses, still run massive risks, still expect to be bailed out

      I bet JPM’s “Fortress balance sheet” is a crock of shit

      • Mooser on February 12, 2015, 6:26 pm

        Guitar Center, a big-box musical equipment and accessories chain, is in the process of culminating their association with Banes capitol. GC is loaded up with PIK bonds, which they must pay, but don’t list as liabilities. Fender may go down with them.

      • seafoid on February 12, 2015, 11:46 pm

        Capital has been doing that to the real economy since 1980. And the media jizz over the latest doe eyed Dem hopeful as if hope and change are just around the corner.

        Fender doesn’t matter to them.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3h9p_c5-M

        They’ll drive it to the wall, private equity will buy it, asset strip, sack all the workers, take on new ones on half the salaries , load it up with debt and IPO it .
        That model is very lucrative.

        It’s part of the system by which the top 0.1% cream all of the money.
        Expecting Warren or anyone else to change things is deluded.

        As Walt said about Zionism

        “No matter how well-written or delivered, a speech cannot divert whole societies from a well-established course of action. Policies in motion tend to remain in motion; to change the trajectory of a deeply-entrenched set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal momentum. ”

        And in the case of capital vs labor the US needs a new Democratic party.

  2. Chu on February 12, 2015, 12:27 pm

    All the progressive artists in a Grand Street loft with their eyes wide shut.

    Credit to the person who asked the question.

    • Krauss on February 12, 2015, 1:07 pm

      PEPs, we call them.

      I say it again, Hillary 2016 is the last gasp of the white postwar liberal concensus. Puff up Wall Street, lock black people up, march side by side with neocons and cover for Israel’s crimes at every turn.

      I don’t think conservatives fear the new left most, they’ve always had wide-eyed fantasies about communist conspiracies. Those who fear it the most are “progressives” like Larry Summers, both because he is a pro-Apartheid “progressive” and because he is pro-Wall Street. People like him, less bright perhaps, are still abound and that party for Warren shows that even those to the left of him share much of the same mindset.

      As I said, a post-war concensus. I doubt we’d see similar fears among under-35 artists, especially in a diverse setting. Think of a guy like John Legend, who is deeply sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.

      • Chu on February 12, 2015, 3:41 pm

        I challenge ‘progressives’ when the opportunity is there, and often I get a lot of tropes like, ‘well, I’m not qualified to comment on the IP situation’ and yet they may have been some of the biggest critics of GWB policy not a decade ago. I try to explain the linkage between the Iraq invasion and the second call to war for Iran. It’s right out in front of everyone in plain sight – i.e. clean break strategy, securing the realm.

        There’s a grand dishonesty that everyone is afraid to touch, and more often they would pretend that it’s a small side issue that doesn’t concern them. They could be correct, I mean why should we care? I should enjoy my life. Especially when most of this topic is taboo. Why study it, when I can talk about cinema or fashion?

      • bryan on February 13, 2015, 6:28 am

        It is very easy to be condescendingly dismissive of PEPs, but if you were an ambitious politician (ambitious enough to consider running for President or any high office), give me a single reason why you would be consistent enough on your progressive principles to support justice for Palestine. To do so would be to invite vilification by the media, to alienate key sectors of the electorate (not merely Jewish voters but far more importantly Christian fundamentalists), and not only to cut yourself off from vital campaign funds but also to ensure that your opponent was lavishly funded. Don’t get me wrong – I admire intellectual and policy consistency, I abhor the obvious hypocrisy and indifference, but I am simply pointing out that keeping quiet about the elephant in the room or the bull rampaging through the china shop is simply eminent good sense for a politician. You might simply keep away from the whole issue until you were safely elected and hope that you could quietly use your influence to modestly adjust policy, but then you would be trapped in a political game, worrying about the mid-term elections, or your second term, or your wife’s future political prospects, and subject to an unbearable pressure, from colleagues, from the press, from lobbies, from the need to establish some sort of legacy by adopting policies that were practical and feasible.

        So simply do not expect anything of politicians until the battle is almost won by the activists; then politicians may have an incentive to jump from the sinking ship and to offer different options and to savour their political consistency.

      • Chu on February 19, 2015, 12:46 pm

        “I am simply pointing out that keeping quiet about the elephant in the room or the bull rampaging through the china shop is simply eminent good sense for a politician.”
        -It sure is Bryan. the real crux is how do we change this complex problem? The politicians will always rely on the donor to fund their moneyed campaigns, meanwhile the grassroots can’t complete, or fail to do so on a level that can counter the donor.

  3. ThorsteinVeblen2012 on February 12, 2015, 1:24 pm

    She is either caving to supporters who want to hide in the shadows or holds her own opinion which she is unwilling to expand upon in public.

    Either way, her subterfuge can only be seen as a disturbing harbinger of her governance.

    What else are you hiding from us Elizabeth?

  4. John Douglas on February 12, 2015, 2:05 pm

    We now know that Obama fudged on gay marriage as a candidate. The movement continued to gather strength and then Obama did the right thing as President. He didn’t do the right thing however on Israel/Palestine. But I can’t envision Warren doing what Obama did, standing up at the UN and opposing Palestinian statehood purportedly because it’s not good for Palestinians. I think she’s tougher and has more character than that. As long as Warren doesn’t begin reading from Zionist scripts I’m willing to give her a temporary pass. The movement will gain strength, the Lobby will be weakened, and then, if President, she can do the right thing.

    • seafoid on February 12, 2015, 5:01 pm

      Warren will do what Obama did re Israel. Anything else is toxic.
      Zionism has to strangle itself or do something so dreadful that the American people turn on it
      before the pols will do anything. All thuggery operations are the same. They rule by fear and everyone hates them but will only stick the knife in when the power fades.

      Does anyone think Zionism has any goy friends in DC other than the fundis?
      I bet the GOP hate them too. Lindsay Graham prolly only does it for the money. He is such a whore.

    • on February 13, 2015, 7:07 am

      “As long as Warren doesn’t begin reading from Zionist scripts I’m willing to give her a temporary pass.”

      She already does.

      • Ellen on February 13, 2015, 7:59 am

        Yes, she does indeed. Word for word. But the weather seems to be slowly changing. She and others will put their toes out once they know it is safe.

        For now, she and others understand that they will be destroyed if they dare go off script.

        One sign of changing weather is: That threats of political destruction have been made to Congress over failure to attend and cheer Netanyahu are being exposed for what they are: an appalling threat to the US government by foreign interests.

        If this gets legs in the media and mind of the public (unlikely for now) politicians will turn like an abused dog who turns on his abusive master.

        This is what the AIPACs of the world don’t seem to see — that their dogs in Congress may turn from decades of treats ($$) to obey commands, or abusive beatings (destruction of political careers and defamation. )

        It won’t be pretty for anyone if it comes to this .

  5. a blah chick on February 12, 2015, 2:08 pm

    Maybe I’m just a “the glass is half full” kind of gal but I take comfort in their “just turn up the music and dance!” efforts. The fact that they seek to ignore the issue shows that they know they do not have a decent argument to put forth. It demonstrates at the very least that they are uncomfortable with their position and know it reeks.

    This isn’t going away, Liz!

  6. Atlantaiconoclast on February 12, 2015, 3:51 pm

    She is also wrong for not wanting to audit the Fed. We couldnt spend so much on war if we didnt have a private central bank creating money out of nothing and loaning it to us with interest.

    • Citizen on February 12, 2015, 4:45 pm

      The next time anyone talks about Warren in the context of a populist hero, remind them that the senator from Massachusetts believes the activities of the most powerful money-related institution in the country should be hidden from public scrutiny–same as our AIPAC network- bribed foreign policy, courtesy of the US Congress. Did she argue for a return of Glass-Steagall’s chinese wall between commercial and investment banking? Or for a change in who and how investments are rated? She can’t point to the undue influence of Soros or Adelson? Some populist.

  7. just on February 12, 2015, 4:19 pm

    ptooey. “Progressives United” except for Palestine and justice.

  8. JWalters on February 12, 2015, 5:13 pm

    I agree with pabelmont that Warren’s taking on the big banks is significant. I would suggest that the big banks are more than “a slice of the oligarchy”, but the are center and director of the oligarchy. Properly regulating the big banks, coupled with taking money out of politics, would also take care of the war profiteers and Israel’s so-called “War on Terror”. She may have that in mind.

    I also agree with John Douglas on giving Warren a pass on Palestine as long as she doesn’t begin reading from Zionist scripts. We know that politicians can be deceptive for good reasons. As Douglas pointed out, Obama waited until the timing was right on gay rights. But he also helped make the timing right by working behind the scenes to get a solid repeal of DADT in the military (not just an executive order). Similarly, Lincoln waited until an effective moment to issue the Emancipation Proclamation.

    Even presidents and senators can currently be character assassinated by the Israeli lobby for what they say. So belling this cat is tricky. I think we should support their movements in the right direction, rather than punish them for not jumping the whole way at once. Animal trainers use this “reward” principle regularly. For example, send letters of thanks to those public figures who speak out, including those boycotting N’s speech.

    I agree with Chu that “There’s a grand dishonesty that everyone is afraid to touch”. This is a sad state of affairs for a country with freedom of the press protected in the Constitution. But it’s protected from the government, not from Big Money. Everybody knows exactly why they are afraid to touch this topic. Yet the fear continues to rule. It’s no wonder many Zionists are terrified that the U.S. relationship with Israel might actually be examined objectively.

  9. American on February 12, 2015, 7:37 pm

    I dont think Warren is capable of handling or sees the ENTIRE BIG PICTURE.
    Find someone else.

    • Ellen on February 13, 2015, 7:46 am

      I am afraid you are right. Is there someone else?

      • American on February 13, 2015, 8:27 am

        Ellen February 13, 2015, 7:46 am

        I am afraid you are right. Is there someone else? ->>>>>>

        Jim Webb.

      • just on February 13, 2015, 9:19 am

        Jim Webb.

      • ckg on February 13, 2015, 10:15 am

        AIPAC does not like Jim Webb:

        As Jim Webb, a former Democratic U.S. Senator from Virginia, becomes the first candidate to launch a committee to explore running for president in 2016, his Israel record is already being put into question.

        According to Morrie Amitay, former executive director of AIPAC, Webb’s Israel record “has to be the worst” he’s ever seen “in 40 plus years following Congress.”

        http://jpupdates.com/2014/11/21/2016-webbs-israel-record-already-called-question/

      • just on February 13, 2015, 10:36 am

        Bonus points! Grassroots can do its job!

        ““Fortunately, his chances of ever becoming president are nil, and only his abysmal record could make every other candidate look good on our issues,” he added.” (from your link)

        Nice threat from Amitay, eh?

      • ckg on February 13, 2015, 11:19 am

        Amitay is sure making it easy to decide whom to support.

    • Rusty Pipes on February 13, 2015, 6:22 pm

      It’s past time to respect that when a woman says “no,” she means, “no.” Ever since she was elected to the Senate, progressives have been trying to draft Warren to run for President and she has been saying, “no.” By continuing to spend time trying to draft Warren, many progressives are putting all of their eggs in one basket as the months tick away before the first primaries.

      I want a strong Progressive candidate out there challenging Hillary Clinton’s neoliberal economic and military policies NOW. Bernie Sanders is the closest to what I am looking for, but I’d like more options (and more coverage from the MSM).

  10. Kay24 on February 13, 2015, 12:04 am

    Let’s face it, no candidate can ever hope to win elections, especially Presidential elections, in the US, unless they kiss zio butt, take the campaign donations, and promise unwavering support during their term/s. In the biggest democracy in the world, it seems all elections are controlled by those who can move us, easily. We are on our knees here.

    • SonofDaffyDuck on February 13, 2015, 11:26 pm

      putting it is a little different terms, you cannot win election in a country dominated by big money unless you are a submissive. If you want to have a chance, you must go to the AIPAC “red room”

  11. American on February 13, 2015, 8:36 am

    Kay24 February 13, 2015, 12:04 am

    Let’s face it, no candidate can ever hope to win elections, especially
    Presidential elections, in the US, unless they kiss zio butt, ->>>>>

    We dont that because no one has tried it.
    I am betting someone could.
    ‘America First’…….would do it.

  12. spokelse on February 13, 2015, 10:13 am

    there is no negative at all for an American politician to be as right wing on Israel as possible, given this context, you would have to be really brave or a really incompetent politician to go up against the Israel lobby. Hopefully this will change if Bibi speaks before congress, I hope he does!

  13. Mooser on February 14, 2015, 12:03 pm

    I know, it does me no credit to admit this, but every time I see Elizabeth Warren I am reminded of a rather nasty but still confusing (there’s no mistaking the nastiness, anyway) epithet Norman Mailer applied to women writers, the creep.

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