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Bipartisanship is dead, as Netanyahu, AIPAC, and GOP square off against Obama over Iran

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This morning at AIPAC, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power both cracked jokes about the prime minister’s planned speech to Congress tomorrow, and both avowed that support for Israel here is bipartisan. “The U.S.-Israel relationship transcends politics and it always will,” Power said. While Netanyahu said, “The last thing that anyone who cares about Israel wants, the last thing that I want, is for Israel to become a partisan issue. I regret that some have misperceived my visit as doing that.”

Samantha Power addressing AIPAC (Screenshot: JLTV)

Samantha Power addressing AIPAC (Screenshot: JLTV)

In fact, bipartisan unity on U.S.-Israel policy has been shattered by Netanyahu’s planned speech tomorrow. US politicians are now openly divided on partisan grounds over what to do about Iran. Republicans are on Netanyahu’s side and Democrats are on Obama’s side.

And though Netanyahu tried to make nice about his relationship to the White House — “My speech [to Congress] is not intended to show any disrespect for President Obama and the esteemed office that he holds, I have great respect for both” — that die too is cast. The relationship between Netanyahu and the Obama administration is a wreck. On CNN this morning Dana Bash said that anyone who has to say that he means no disrespect for the office of the presidency has already lost the game in Washington. While Jim Sciutto tweeted archly:

Not exactly the less combative speech #Netanyanu advisors had teed up this morning.

“They really cannot bear each other,” New Yorker editor David Remnick says. “[Netanyahu] thinks Obama is preposterously naive when it comes to the Middle East.” Thus Netanyahu’s scare-terror map of the world he put up today:

Netanyahu prop map allegedly showing Iranian support for terrorism around the world. Netanyahu referred to it as Iran's "tentacles of terror." (Screenshot: JLTV)

Netanyahu prop map allegedly showing Iranian support for terrorism around the world. Netanyahu referred to it as Iran’s “tentacles of terror.” (Screenshot: JLTV)

Both sides are in the battle of their lives for a good reason. The White House and Israel are divided, and the Republicans and Democrats, too, over a real issue, how to deal with the Iranian nuclear program. In days to come, the American press will be talking about the negotiations with Iran as never before. And Obama will surely gain support for his negotiations policy from an American public that doesn’t want another Middle Eastern war.

One reason we are getting this open argument is that the Israel lobby itself is divided. AIPAC’s entire program for its policy conference is to block a deal with Iran. It is pushing further sanctions legislation on the Hill; and every other speaker at the podium says the words “Never again”– and says Iran is bent on annihilating Israel or wiping it off the map.

But liberal Zionist organizations are opposed to AIPAC and Netanyahu. Americans for Peace Now has been doing hard work to show why the Iran talks are in everyone’s interest. J Street is tweeting the view that the Netanyahu speech will only push Iran to get a bomb, while the negotiations will prevent a nuclear bomb. And last night after AIPAC’s Bradley Gordon said that the lobby’s members might be meeting congresspeople who will say, You are going to start another war in the Middle East, J Street’s chief lobbyist riposted:

Only ’cause it’s true

The liberal Zionist organizations are representing Democratic Party views. NBC reports:

For those worried that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s speech to Congress on Tuesday is making Israel/Netanyahu a partisan issue — between Democrats and Republicans — anNBC/WSJ poll released yesterday shows that’s exactly what’s happening.

Republicans have a positive view of Israel by 66 to 12 percent. But among Democrats the positive/negative split is a lot closer: 29 to 21 percent. No wonder Dianne Feinstein told Dana Bash on CNN yesterday that Netanyahu is arrogant in his claim to speak for all Jews:

Fiery Feinstein: ‘Arrogant’ Netanyahu doesn’t speak for me

The divide could not be clearer. President Obama believes he has the support of the American people and of liberal Jewish organizations in pushing for a deal with Iran. Prime Minister Netanyahu thinks he has the support of the Congress and of the leading Israel lobby groups.

The battle will only escalate tomorrow. The drama will assure that everyone is watching, to see who is in the House chambers and how they respond. And maybe this time American public opinion will guide our policymakers.

Update: JTA reports that AIPAC can’t escape “speechgate.” And notice how its CEO reaches out to Democrats. Too late.

Speaking to attendees Sunday at the launch of the largest-ever annual conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, CEO Howard Kohr acknowledged the elephant in the room head on.

“There’s no question that the way this speech has come about has created a great deal of upset among Democrats,” Kohr said.

“It frankly may have upset people in this room,” he said. “All of us should be concerned [who] care about the bipartisan nature of the relationship.”

Thanks to Adam Horowitz.

Philip Weiss

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  1. Kay24 on March 2, 2015, 12:21 pm

    When Netanyahu boasted he knows America and it can be easily moved, this is what he meant.

    He has moved the Congress to opposite sides, away from the President, been divisive, and fractured this country, even more. Netanyahu is an arrogant jackass, who does not care about the US being in shambles, as long as he gets his own way. He does not care that he is pitting Congress against the President, and making them act like traitors. He just wants the US to bomb Iran, and will do anything to make it happen.

    John Kerry has just spoken on Israel’s behalf at the UNHRC, and after all this backstabbing by Netanyahu, we have to wonder why.

    • Krauss on March 2, 2015, 1:59 pm

      And yet, Kay, the irony is that he hasn’t moved America where he wants.

      If anything he has moved America away from not only him but from Israel. His actions are making support for Israel a partisan issue just like everything else in this country.

      And we should be thankful for that! At least Bibi is useful for once.

    • turveyd on March 2, 2015, 2:48 pm

      I just read about John Kerry’s tirade. I absolutely agree with you, Kay24. Why? Why now? (shakes head).

      • Kay24 on March 2, 2015, 9:13 pm

        This sick relationship we have with Israel, aiding, supporting, and protecting it, is unbelievable.

        How easily our leaders accept the interference, control, and dictating of our foreign policies, by Israeli officials. Something they would never, ever do, by another foreign nation.
        We are not the United States of Israel, last time I checked.

    • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 3:50 pm

      Great points

    • steven l on March 3, 2015, 4:05 pm

      Bipartisanship will survive in spite of the US President and his far left and UN-American agenda.

  2. DoubleStandard on March 2, 2015, 12:23 pm

    You’re really off the deep end, aren’t you? You publish an article every 2 hours practically getting off to your warped perception of how Bibi’s speech will impact Israel-US relations.

    Bipartisanship for Israel will outlast Barack Obama. He’s done in 2 years, everyone knows it, and Congress — including democrats — is worried about the deal he’s busy cooking up with Iran.

    • Mooser on March 2, 2015, 2:29 pm

      “— is worried about the deal he’s busy cooking up with Iran.”

      I can see why. A deal like that might do a lot to decrease tension between the US and Iran. Who wants that.

    • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 4:00 pm

      As Phil has accurately pointed out Netanyahu’s speech “it brings the classic era of the lobby to an end.” Double Standard there is no going back to fact based information getting out to the public about the disproportionate amount of influence that Israel has had and is trying to continue to have on U.S. foreign policy.

      It is not just Netanyahu’s incredibly disrespectful, divisive and arrogant move to speak in front of congress without the knowledge and consent of the President of the U.S. that has brought us to this point. The decades of actions by people who have pushed tirelessly for justice in the I/P conflict…including Vanessa Redgrave, Barghouti, Erakat, Said, Carter, Finkelstein, Walt, Christian Peace Maker Team, BDS and many others. Phil and Mondoweiss’s team joined those ranks over the last 8 years. Those cumulative efforts have brought us to these days.

      • seafoid on March 3, 2015, 3:34 pm

        And hasbara is a joke. Too much exposure, no new material.

      • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 3:43 pm

        “Too much exposure, no new material”

        Like a washed-out Vegas crooner.

    • DoubleStandard on March 2, 2015, 5:19 pm

      The administration has done a 180 in the last few days and toned down its intensity.http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191975#.VPTiD7OUfl9

      I wonder how many Jews comment here and are paying attention to the fact that this is taking place right around Purim time.

      It’s an absolutely meaningful and eerie coincidence.

      • Marnie on March 3, 2015, 1:44 am

        It’s only meaningful if you’re a snakeoil salesman like ‘yahoo. This is just the kind of end of days, rapturesque type of bullshit that xtian zionists love. Oh the meaningful, eerie coincidence! The speech is on the fast of Esther but am pretty sure Mr/Mrs ‘yahoo won’t be fasting or praying for “their people”. This has as much meaning as the blue-haired prime minister’s pause for a photo-op and “prayer” at the wall before going to DC. I wonder if his intro will be like it was a the UN with his bomb picture, you remember “I come to you from occupied east Jerusalem”. He didn’t say that though, but he definitely should. ‘yahoo is no Mordechai, Sara is no Esther and most importantly, Barak Obama is no Hamaan and the fact that you’re willing to put this out there for all must mean you’re getting holiday pay from hasbara central.

        If there’s anything “eerie” about Mr/Mrs ‘yahoo, it’s their striking resemblance to another famous biblical couple, Ahab, one of the most wicked kings of Israel and his heathen wife, Jezebel. Anyway, you’ll remember that Ahab coveted some prime real estate, but the owner of this land, Naboth, wouldn’t sell it for anything. While Ahab cried and made a sad face, his good wife Jezebel offered him the solution. They would just slander Naboth’s good name and make false accusations, which they did, and Naboth was stoned to death and Ahab TOOK HIS LAND. Meaningful enough for ya DS? I thought it would be really eerie! Hag sameach!

    • JWalters on March 2, 2015, 7:34 pm

      “Bipartisanship for Israel will outlast Barack Obama.”

      You mean bipartisan campaign funds from the Israel lobby will outlast Obama. But what if the public learns the truth, despite the best efforts of Joe Scarborough? What if Israeli injustices become politically toxic?

    • echinococcus on March 3, 2015, 12:05 am

      In fact, that “bipartizanship is dead” risks sounding like pure Demolican propaganda (even if Weiss didn’t intend it that way –I have no way of knowing for sure.) Bipartizanship is very much undead and kicking, what with war of aggression on behalf of the Zionist entity (subsuming Palestine, too), torture, NSA spying and the million-time repeated violation of the constitution, government-sanctioned bankster highway robbery, citizen massacre by militarized police, and many other essential things. There is a lovers’ or ex-lovers’ spat in DC and I’m all for using this as a lever to pry open new cracks in the façade. Some exaggerations, however, are a little too optimistic to convince anyone.

    • ziusudra on March 3, 2015, 2:12 am

      Greetings double Standard,
      no bagels, cream cheese & salmon for BB at the front door of the WH anymore for the next 2 yrs!
      ziusudra
      PS if BB pulls this off, he’s finished in the US & Obama will laugh last,
      if BB doesn’t pull it off, he’s dead in Israel & Obama will laugh last.
      My chinkenglish: He one dum fuk!

      • DavidDaoud on March 3, 2015, 10:51 am

        Ziusudra, thanks for giving us some hope. I believe he is that dum.

  3. hophmi on March 2, 2015, 12:30 pm

    You can’t wish your problems away. You’re confusing polling on Israel, (47-17 pos/neg, consistent with historical numbers), with polling on Netanyahu, which is negative because press coverage about Netanyahu has been negative.

    Bipartisanship is injured (needlessly, in my view), but it is very far from dead; if it were, Elizabeth Warren would not be interested in stating her pro-Israel bonafides, and every Democrat who is choosing not to attend the speech would not be making clear that their protest is not a reflection of how they feel about Israel, but how they feel about John Boehner.

    There have been many differences between the United States and Israel over policy, whether the policy has been AWAC sales or settlement policy, and there have been differences for many years. And there will be differences in the future. But as I’ve said so many times to you, the relationship is much stronger and deeper than these conflicts, and it will endure in the long run for that reason and because there are no better alternatives.

    • Atlantaiconoclast on March 2, 2015, 2:14 pm

      I hope your head doesnt explode when a sufficient number of Americans finally wake up to the damage your precious Jewish supremacist state has done to their nation. It will happen.

      • hophmi on March 2, 2015, 5:23 pm

        My head won’t explode, but I don’t anticipate that most Americans will become antisemites anytime soon. Israel is not responsible for America’s problems any more than the Vatican is.

      • Mooser on March 2, 2015, 9:40 pm

        “My head won’t explode, but I don’t anticipate that most Americans will become antisemites anytime soon.”

        You just make sure and put it to them just like that, Hophmi: ‘If you don’t want to see the Palestinians destroyed, at your expense you are an anti-Semite’. I’m sure you can sell that.

      • on March 3, 2015, 8:20 am

        :My head won’t explode, but I don’t anticipate that most Americans will become antisemites anytime soon”

        hophmi — did you miss the memo? It’s not anti-Semites anymore, its Jew haters

      • Bornajoo on March 3, 2015, 8:27 am

        “My head won’t explode, but I don’t anticipate that most Americans will become antisemites anytime soon. Israel is not responsible for America’s problems any more than the Vatican is.”

        There we go again. Conflating criticism of Israel with anti semitism. What a disgraceful tactic. And then you blame others for supposed increases in anti semitic incidents.

        Criticism of Israel has nothing to do with being anti semitic even though you really, desperately, want and need it to be. Because without it your whole world will fall apart.

        So according to Hophmi, no one really cares about the Palestinian issue, and none of us really believe that Israel does anything wrong, we just use it as an excuse to display our anti semitism or in my case my intrinsic self-hating Jew disease.

      • eljay on March 3, 2015, 8:44 am

        || hophmeee: … Israel is not responsible for America’s problems any more than the Vatican is. ||

        Let’s see:
        – Israel is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state located in the Middle East.
        – The Vatican is not.

        – For over 60 years and with impunity, Israel has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians.
        – The Vatican has not.

        – Israel is a nuclear-equipped state.
        – The Vatican is not.

        – Israel is economically, financially, militarily and politically supported by the U.S.
        – The Vatican is not.

        – The U.S. has an “unshakeable bond” with Israel – a bond that comprises “shared common values” with “no light between”.
        – I don’t know the status of America’s ties with the Vatican, but I’m pretty sure they’re not as tight.

        I think it’s safe to say that Israel is more responsible than the Vatican for America’s problems.

    • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 5:36 pm

      “Bipartisanship is injured (needlessly, in my view), but it is very far from dead: if it were, Elizabeth Warren would not be intrested in stating her pro Israel bonafides, and every Democrat who is choosing not to attend the speech would not be making clear that their protest is not a reflection of how they feel about Israel, but how the feel about John Boehner”

      Hop in your own words you confirm once again the disproportionate amount of influence that Israel and the I lobby have on U.S. policy etc. Out of the mouths of a persistent hypocrite and anti semite (Palestinians).

      Israel has proven once again that they have absolutely no concern for U.S. national security. And they have no interest in real peace with the Palestinians.

    • JWalters on March 2, 2015, 7:41 pm

      The relationship is as strong and deep as the deceptions Israel can continue to foist on the American public. But once that facade is broken by the facts, it can’t come back. And then no politician could afford AIPAC campaign money.

      • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 8:49 pm

        “The relationship is as strong and deep as the deceptions Israel can continue to foist on the American public”-

        Was only able to listen to Powers complete ass kissing speech. Part of Netanyahu’s Will listen to whole thing when I have the time. Bet someone is keeping track of how many times Netanyahu and other speakers repeated the lie that “Iran has said they want to wipe Israel off the map” As long as they keep that lie alive they will keep many believing.

    • Walker on March 2, 2015, 8:49 pm

      Bipartisanship is injured (needlessly, in my view), but it is very far from dead; if it were, Elizabeth Warren would not be interested in stating her pro-Israel bonafides

      That’s a rather roundabout way of acknowledging that Elizabeth Warren will not be attending the speech.

      . . .

      But as I’ve said so many times to you, the relationship is much stronger and deeper than these conflicts, and it will endure in the long run

      To the contrary, the relationship is much weaker than it appears. It only continues in its present form because of the duress of the lobby. I only hope it does not take a major disaster for the American public to realize this.

    • ziusudra on March 3, 2015, 1:05 am

      Greetings Hophmi,
      …the relationship is much stronger and deeper……
      yiddle by yiddle ad infinitum & ad nauseum.

      No American cares about people in any country.
      That’s the responsibility that said country has for
      their people.
      The only so called people in the US that care for
      the Israeli people are those that aipac are paying
      with our very own tax money; the representatives
      in both houses since Pres Johnson. Hell, not even the
      Knesset cares about the Israelis, look at the daily live of
      the majority of your populace; they have the same
      poverty for most of its citizens. If many had the fare for
      a one way ticket they’d be gone tomorrow. It is BB & the
      rightwing governments since 48 that cause such perpetual
      state of war situations for them.
      Even when BB is gone that won’t change the policies as far
      as the Falesteeni are converned.
      ziusudra
      PS Give me one reason why i should like any Israeli so much
      that i want to pay their rent, WTF?!

    • seafoid on March 3, 2015, 4:08 pm

      It won’t endure, Hops. Israel needs to replenish the dopey population that buys the AIPAC shtick to replace all the old Israel forever pensioners who are dying off.
      And the kids don’t seem to be interested. It’s not rational to paint Ernie, Bert and Big Bird as mortal enemies of the Jewish people and a lot of pre schoolers can see through it.

  4. a blah chick on March 2, 2015, 12:36 pm

    Tentacles of terra! Tunnels of Terra! Terra, terra TERRA!!!!!!! After which he will hold up a sign of a Gaza family and talk up how 60 terra cells were taken out last summer.

    And when someone says they mean to disrespect they usually do. I’m hoping he’s comes to congress hung over and uses the n-word. And I don’t mean “nuclear.”

    What should be the parameters of the drinking game? I propose, no particular order, holocaust, terra, Hitler, Never Again! annihilation, with a shout out to Hezbollah.

  5. Blownaway on March 2, 2015, 12:43 pm

    It’s a tempest in a teapot. Kerry was carrying water for Israel at the UN as we speak. Tomorrow it will all be fine and ass kissing will begin anew. I’m waiting for Obama to apologize for making the Israelis feel bad

    • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 5:38 pm

      We are not going back. Obama is committed to U.S. national security. His commitment to the P5+1 has proven that. Too bad Israeli’s and the I lobby are incapable of seeing how these negotiations are ultimately good for Israel too.

  6. seafoid on March 2, 2015, 12:57 pm

    The echo chamber effect in US media was described recently in the FT

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/8699c9fa-8564-11e4-ab4e-00144feabdc0.html
    “Conservatives remain consumed by issues such as the Keystone oil pipeline and the US response to the 2012 terrorist attack on our consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Liberals fuss about the richest “1 per cent” of the population and the “militarisation” of local police forces”

    So now Israel is a Fox topic…very interesting. Up there with guns and “freedom ” and Benghazi.

    http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2010/nov/05/dont-look-me/

    “Capitalist utopianism and unqualified loathing for all that remains of the welfare state are the dispositions that now unite the Republican Party from the bottom up. ”

    Doesn’t sound very Jewish, really-unless Jewish means only people with more than 10 million in liquid assets

    • JWalters on March 2, 2015, 7:47 pm

      Ultimately the religious factor is not what matters, it’s the money, it seems to me. Some people just use the religious factor to acquire more money. War is particularly profitable, and the religious factor can be very useful there.

  7. HarryLaw on March 2, 2015, 1:11 pm

    “The U.S.-Israel relationship transcends politics and it always will,” Power said. How is it possible for a so called representative of the United States of America to say such a stupid thing? Unless it was an established fact that the State of Israel is indeed the 51st state of the USA.

    • John O on March 2, 2015, 1:36 pm

      Nah! They’d only have two senators if they were.

    • seafoid on March 2, 2015, 1:57 pm

      American politicians will repeat that Power bromide right up until the moment when it becomes necessary to shaft Israel. Because states don’t have friends.

    • lonely rico on March 2, 2015, 5:15 pm

      >HarryLaw
      Unless it was an established fact that the State of Israel is indeed the 51st state of the USA.

      NO NO NO !
      Please get this straight –

      The USA is the 2nd (junior) state of the United States of Zion

    • JWalters on March 2, 2015, 7:50 pm

      Abraham Lincoln said the North and the South had an unbreakable bond.

    • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 8:50 pm

      Did you see the flags?

  8. David Doppler on March 2, 2015, 1:22 pm

    ““The last thing that anyone who cares about Israel wants, the last thing that I want, is for Israel to become a partisan issue. I regret that some have misperceived my visit as doing that.”

    ““My speech [to Congress] is not intended to show any disrespect for President Obama and the esteemed office that he holds, I have great respect for both.”

    Translation: “I’m a lying liar here to explain my lies so please take notes, and parrot what I say exactly, so as to avoid appearing confused.”

  9. Abierno on March 2, 2015, 1:40 pm

    No disrespect for President Obama? Netanyahu is also here requesting from Congress- bypassing the President and the Pentagon – for an additional 300 million for defense spending, added to the 3.15 billion we already give them annually. Added together this is approximately 10 million per day. This isn’t disrespect – this, in addition to pulling ever power lever in this country to sabotage the Iranian negotiation, giving a non protocol following rebuttal to Obama’s state of the union speech and openly aligning with the same neo conservative Republicans who brought this country the devastation of the Iraq war, – is a slap to the face and a punch to the stomach of our President, the taxpayers of the US and, most important, to all our brave service men who have served, who continue to serve and who will serve.

  10. Taxi on March 2, 2015, 3:00 pm

    Regarding Bibi’s new visual aid: it’s a map of lies. Unless you wanna call the map a compendium of israeli black ops.

    • hophmi on March 2, 2015, 5:24 pm

      The problem, Taxi, is that you can’t find a way to be anti-Israel without being pro-Iran. And that’s why the United States in the end won’t abandon it; the alternative is so much worse.

      • JWalters on March 2, 2015, 8:02 pm

        Ah, the old false dichotomy …

      • seafoid on March 2, 2015, 9:23 pm

        You can, Hoppy. Justice for brown people.

      • Taxi on March 2, 2015, 10:36 pm

        hops,

        Why would I be anti Iran? They never stole my tax dollars while I slept, like israel has. They don’t threaten my country in any shape or form. And they certainly don’t illegally occupy my congress as well as a few other countries’ chunks of land like Apartheid israel does.

        Why don’t you give me one single cogent reason why any good American should be hating on Iran? Just one will suffice.

      • Marnie on March 3, 2015, 4:23 am

        What is the threat from Iran? They haven’t been bilking the american people for decades, they haven’t attacked an american naval vessel and killed american sailors, they haven’t interfered with US elections, they haven’t made promises and broken them as the vice-president was on their soil in a giant fuck you to the Obama administration, they aren’t holding indigenous population captive with no rights or voice, they aren’t accepting invitations made without the president’s notification to address the american people into sending yet more soldiers into yet another muslim country to kill and maim innocent people only to lose their lives, limbs, and souls for a country that has never fought side by side with american troops. So how is it that Iran is a worse alternative?

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on March 3, 2015, 4:52 am

        Why is Iran ‘so much worse’ than Israel? It’s a country of nearly 80 million people, many of them highly educated. It’s in an extrmely strategic position, and has some of the most extensive oil and gas reserves in the world.

        Israel, by contrast, is a glorified ghetto, a provincial, inward looking Levantine statelet and charity case with very little to offer other than ‘field tested’ weaponry. Even its much hyped and as yet unexploited gas reserves are piddling compared to Iran’s.

        Take away AIPAC and you take away any reason why the US would ever support Israel against Iran. By any standard, Iran would be a far more useful ally than an insignificant kip on the East Med.

      • Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 6:23 am

        According to Prof. Juan Cole, the last time Iran preemptively attacked a nation was in 1775.

        Israel on the other hand…..

    • JWalters on March 2, 2015, 8:00 pm

      “Unless you wanna call the map a compendium of israeli black ops”

      That would include Washington DC.

  11. Maximus Decimus Meridius on March 2, 2015, 3:56 pm

    Genuine question: Is there a more craven hypocrite than Samantha Power on the world stage today?

    • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 4:01 pm

      that smirk about the “speeches” was odd. She brings up solid points but then goes off the cliff with her ass kissing. She actually brought up the illegal settlements.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on March 2, 2015, 4:09 pm

        But making some vague criticism of the ‘settlements’ is the bone these ass-kissing politicos throw at the rest of us. See? I’m not slavishly pro-Israel! I even criticised The Settlements! See how brave and principled I am.

        It’s kind of the safety valve, not just for American politicians, but others round the world, even in online discussions – I support Israel, of course, but I Oppose The Occupation. Am I not balanced, moderate and thoughtful? You, however, are an anti-Israel h8er.

        In reality, criticisng the ‘settlements’ while remaining pro-Israel is a bit like criticising theft but supporting the thief.

      • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 4:30 pm

        Max…great points. She made a weak effort to appear fair

  12. kalithea on March 2, 2015, 4:01 pm

    Diane Feinstein will be present for Netanyahoo’s speech. If she really cared about how this makes her President look she’d ask for the transcript and BOYCOTT, but she’s proving she’s Israel First by honoring him with her presence. All I see is a few huffy Zionist Democrats pretending that they’re upset but then not wanting to miss the spectacle.

    What I’d like to see is a caricature of Netanyahu standing on a prostrate Obama in Congress delivering his speech with the headline HUMILIATION plastered on the front page of the NYT and every other paper in America . Then, maybe I’ll believe that Americans will get the true picture that of the President of the U.S. being humiliated by a two-bit Zionist P.M. of a pipsqueak nation with a power agenda.

    We all know that Zionist Democrats and “liberal” Zionists are half-hearted in their support of Obama’s Iran policy. I wish this wishful thinking that this will cause some kind of rift in Congress over Israel would end and reality begin. The only ones who can make a dent in Israel policy are the people of the USA when they wake up and see how Zionism is taking over to the point of humiliation and subversion of their democracy!

  13. Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 4:28 pm

    Samantha Powers stated that the Palestinians seeking justice at the ICC against Israel for war crimes will not help two state negotiations move forward. Talk about the most racist statement that I have heard so far at the conference. Would she tell Jews seeking some tiny bit of justice at the Hague for the millions of Jews who were exterminated that they should not seek some kind of justice? What a horrible thing to say to Palestinians. You should not seek justice.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius on March 2, 2015, 4:35 pm

      ”Samantha Powers stated that the Palestinians seeking justice at the ICC against Israel for war crimes will not help two state negotiations move forward.”

      GOOD!

      Those who believe in the ‘two state solution’ pobably also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

      But you are right of course. If even attempting to seek justice at an international court of law is somehow damaging to Israel, what kind of a god awful place is Israel?

    • ziusudra on March 3, 2015, 1:52 am

      Greetings Kathleen,
      thanks for the tip:
      All survivers of the Holocaust or their relatives should take the state of Israel to court at the ICC for the return of the wealth that the Jewish Congress received from all Euro countries & gave to the state.
      ziusudra
      PS Justice for the victims of the Holocaust suffered by the hand of Israel.

  14. Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 4:39 pm

    Samantha ” The UN is the venue where various countries biases are aired. We will never accept this ever. ” Powers says this almost immediately after she goes on an on about U.S. and Israel shared interest. Maybe the most hypocritical statement in her whole .

    Powers who represents the U.S. and Israel at the UN is there only to enforce those biases at the UN. Would so like to listen to how international groups respond to Powers extremely biased speeches at the UN.

    She brings up President Kennedy who had a huge run in with Ben Gurion. Kennedy the last President to demand that Israel open up Dimona to international inspections

  15. asherpat on March 2, 2015, 6:03 pm

    “Bipartisanship is dead”. Between “death of bipartisanship” and nuclear attack on my family, I choose the death of bipartisanship. What wud you choose, sir?

    • a blah chick on March 2, 2015, 7:52 pm

      Oh my dear lord. Sweetheart the only nukes that will go off near you are the ones your country has or the reactor they got at Dimona.

      By the way when was the last time those babies got checked out by an international body?

      • asherpat on March 3, 2015, 2:08 am

        Dear Chic, your point does not undermine my point in any way. Whether Israel does or doesn’t have nukes, I still choose “bipartisanship” over death. Wouldn’t you?

      • eljay on March 3, 2015, 10:37 am

        || asherpateee: Between “death of bipartisanship” and nuclear attack on my family, I choose the death of bipartisanship. What wud you choose … ||

        1. Foster peaceful and mutually-beneficial relations with a nuclear-free Iran: Save lives in Iran and Israel.
        2. Wage offensive warfare against Iran on behalf of a nuclear-equipped, colonialist and expansionist Israel: Ensure the slaughter of Iranians and the retaliatory slaughter of Israelis.

        I choose Option 1.

  16. Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 6:14 pm

    For anyone who knows a great deal about US Ambassadors to the UN. Has there ever been a US Ambassador to the UN who has actually stood up in anyway to what Israel was in the process of doing in regard to crimes being committed against Palestinians, theft of land, destruction of agricultural lands etc. Have all US Ambassadors to the UN left their lip prints all over Israel and Israeli leaders asses?

    What other devotees of another country hold a conference like this in the U.S.? Where all (other years) of our Reps, U.S. Ambassador to the Un and generally our Pres or VP etc are required to genuflect and kiss the ring of Israel and the I lobby?

    • lysias on March 2, 2015, 6:43 pm

      In 1956, U.S. Ambassador to the UN Henry Cabot Lodge called for UN members to provide no economic, military, or financial aid to Israel until it withdrew to the 1949 armistice lines (which meant, among other things, stopping the occupation of Gaza).

      • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 8:53 pm

        Thanks. Anyone know anymore about any US ambassadors to the UN standing up to Israel and the illegal actions they were committing over the decades?

      • lysias on March 2, 2015, 9:11 pm

        Adlai Stevenson can also be added to the list: in 1962, he condemned an Israeli attack on Syria.

      • asherpat on March 3, 2015, 2:13 am

        Lysias, thanks for the precise description of what is often (and intentionally misleading) called “1967 borders” – the correct term is indeed “armistice line” and there should not be any other meaning. And Gaza isn’t occupied by Israel since 2005.

      • Mooser on March 3, 2015, 10:23 am

        Asherpat, Israel has never annexed any of the territory beyond i>its own declared borders that it holds.

        And thaqt “armistice line” schtick is bullshit.

      • seafoid on March 3, 2015, 10:35 am

        Mooser

        Israel doesn’t actually have any official eastern borders.
        It doesn’t have a constitution either.
        And it annexed East Jerusalem in 1980. But nobody recognized it.

        Asherpat’s point about Gaza not being occupied is BS. Gaza is Israel’s bitch and Israel beats her up every so often especially if other men look at her.

  17. Dagon on March 2, 2015, 6:15 pm

    Wow ,don’t miss Al sharpton tonight.Jan shikowski said the bibi is here to ask us to go to war.

    • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 8:54 pm

      Whoa Al sounds like he may finally be showing some grit on this issue. He never touches the issue.

  18. JWalters on March 2, 2015, 7:23 pm

    “Both sides are in the battle of their lives for a good reason.”

    A: It’s going to get ugly, Bibi.
    B: Our supporters will tell you to back down.
    C: You’ll be mocked, vilified.
    A: But you’ve got to tough it out.
    B: This Iran deal must be stopped at any cost.
    C: It could shift the whole trajectory away from war.
    A: It would give people more time to think, maybe learn details of how certain wars got started.
    B: That could turn out badly.
    C: So go knock ’em dead!

  19. wondering jew on March 2, 2015, 8:33 pm

    Bibi wants to stop this deal between the US and Iran. Was this speech the best way to try to accomplish this? I doubt it. I don’t trust that Bibi’s judgment was unclouded by the election campaign in Israel, his animosity for Obama and his habitual desire for the limelight, his propensity to think with his elbows. All these might have played a larger role in this decision than his strategic thinking.

    Meir Dagan, ex Mossad chief, who is someone who opposes a deal with Iran, (although he himself could tell you precisely what kind of agreement Israel would be able to “live with” and I would not know precisely how many centrifuges and kilos of enriched uranium is acceptable to Dagan’s conception of a feasible agreement.) But Dagan certainly opposes a deal with Iran that would lead to an Iranian bomb, was quoted in Haaretz as saying that he felt that Israel should not be the prime mover in trying to stop this deal. My gut tells me that Bibi is wrong on this. I think this moved the Democratic party a few years closer to its inevitable break with Israel. (Something that can’t be proved. Especially because a real break between the elected officials of the national Democratic Party: president, congressmen and senators, and Israel is still closer to 10 and maybe 15 years away than it is to 2 years away.)

  20. Kay24 on March 2, 2015, 8:35 pm

    I Just watch CNN International with Anderson Cooper, and was amazed to hear that the President was interviewed and he openly criticized Netanyahu for being wrong about Iran.
    The Headlines said the WH attacked Netanyahu’s credibility. Wow. They also said that the WH was concerned Netanyahu will reveal sensitive information about the negotiations with Iran at the speech tomorrow. This is the first time I have seen such open criticism of Netanyahu.
    Carl Bernstein also criticized Netanyahu, and said the country must decide if they were going to trust a US President, or a foreign leader like Netanyahu. There was a zionist official from the Hudson Institute who was making Obama look like a Iraq/Iran supporter, and that implying the US is shifting its interests to those nations, but Carl Bernstein, was quick to shame him saying that he was wrong about Iraq too, and that one cannot predict what will happen in 10 years, because he was wrong about what he predicted regarding Iraq. He was shamed.

    I hope commenters here were able to watch this segment, it was very interesting.

    • Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 8:55 pm

      Thanks

      • seafoid on March 3, 2015, 2:30 am

        http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b17c894e-c0f3-11e4-876d-00144feab7de.html

        The White House urged Benjamin Netanyahu to keep confidential details about negotiations with Iran under wraps as it sought to undermine the Israeli leader’s much anticipated speech to Congress.
        The Israeli leader is expected to use his speech on Tuesday to warn against a possible nuclear deal with Iran that he believes “could threaten the survival of Israel”.
        In a series of interventions hours before the speech, the Obama administration pushed back against Mr Netanyahu’s efforts to lobby Congress over its nuclear diplomacy with Iran.”

        But the crème de la crème

        “The days when the Jewish people were passive in the face of threats to annihilate us — those days are over
        – Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli prime minister”

        Trauma central.

        And of course Gaza is supposed to be passive because Israel knows what is good for it.

        Plus some great comments underneath the article

        ad iudicium

        Mr Netanyahu’s personal history of infidelity, three wives plus a number of mistresses, are factual indications of an agressive, unstable, over-testosteroned personality who has spear-headed a great decline in the international standing of a wonderful nation. His zealous drive of the illegal expansion of the settlements has greatly hurt Isreal’s standing in the world.

        What a loss to Isreal was the assassination of that wonderful person Yitzhak Rabin. Likud, led by Netanyahu at the time, were just too small-minded, unvisionary to see what the Oslo Accords offered and look at the countless lives, Israeli and Arab, mothers and children that have been lost in the interim for which this current Prime Minister should bow his head in shame, not looking for the next bit of skirt that he can track ”

        Gidimeister
        “Israel’s power over America is awe-inspiring. Truly something to see. For a non-US citizen it is pretty hard to understand.”

        Lord Marco
        “Netanyahu is a delusional man who has mortally wounded his own country. ”

        Jack Armstrong
        “AIPAC is toxic.”

    • Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 2:58 am

      Fareed Zakaria just mentioned on CNN that it would be WRONG for Bibi to mention any of the details of the on going negotiations in Congress tomorrow. This is betrayal by a so called “ally”.
      How dare this trouble maker side with the GOP and stab Obama in his back, and try to keep putting spokes in the wheel to sabotage his foreign policies? I have never seen such disrespect and arrogance from any other ally. What is he trying to prove to his people? that he has the US under his control? He is a jackass.

  21. Kay24 on March 2, 2015, 9:02 pm

    Bernie Sanders on Andrea Mitchell, says he does not want the Congress to be a platform for his re-election bid.
    Watch:

    http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/some-lawmakers-to-sit-out-netanyahu-speech-406540867916

  22. Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 10:50 pm

    Phil bet you watched Chris Matthews panel on Netanyahu’s speech. Pulitzer Prize Winners Eugene Robinson, Kathleen Parker and Connie Schultz. They could not kiss Israel’s ass enough in those 10 or so minutes. Parker “we have to support what they do” We should all be bi partisan when it comes to Israel. Why? No one ask why? Connie rolled over big time. All nodded and kept kissing.

  23. Kathleen on March 2, 2015, 11:12 pm

    Over at Going To Tehran they have a piece up about CNN having Hillary Mann Leverett and Allan Dershowitz going a few rounds on Iran/Israel/ Netanyahu issue. Cnn did it too bad Chris Matthews is incapable of not having a few independent guest on his program to discuss this ssue. Leverett: Netanyahu/Dershowitz present a “fact free” case. Classic

    • Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 1:54 am

      Chris Matthews took a freebee trip or two to that land of illegal settlements. He must have drunk that koolaid, and values his high paying job, too much.

  24. seafoid on March 2, 2015, 11:13 pm

    President seeks to head off Israeli prime minister’s criticism of Iran nuclear talks, declaring freeze on weapons program far better than sanctions or military action

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/03/obama-goes-on-offensive-ahead-of-netanyahus-speech-to-congress

    This is really interesting. It’s like a parent trying to reason with a child who’s way too tired and thinks there is a monster under the bed. Israel vs reality

  25. Exchequer on March 2, 2015, 11:25 pm

    “Republicans are on Netanyahu’s side and Democrats are on Obama’s side.”

    Put another way, Republicans are on Israel’s side and Democrats are on America’s side.

    • Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 1:51 am

      As of now 55 Democrats are not attending the war monger’s speech. They are standing behind their own President, not wanting to applaud an alien leader, who keeps beating war drums.

  26. Taxi on March 3, 2015, 1:08 am

    On the 4th March, it will be absolutely clear to everyone that Obama has power over Netanyau after all. If Obama springs out the right side of his bed on the morning of the 4th, he will dedicate his remaining time in office to using this acknowledged power accordingly to benefit first and foremost the USA. If he maneuvers with (gentle) but evident force at every turn, Obama’s legacy may be that he ends the stranglehold Israel and aipac have on American ME policy.

    And that would indeed change not just America, but the whole world… indeed for the better.

    • Walid on March 3, 2015, 1:46 am

      Hi Taxi, don’t allow your hopes get too high, only yesterday afternoon, Kerry was in Geneva apologizing to the UNHRC for Israel’s occupation. He told the commission that it was too obsessed by Israel and not giving its attention elsewhere to really bad guys like in North Korea.

      Confusing signals are coming out; first they give Netanyahu the finger about his Congress speech but at the same time, they are acting as his lawyer at the UN. Wouldn’t be surprised if all this hocus pocus ends up with an announcement of another big handout for Israel.

      • Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 1:52 am

        They are trying to send the message to Israel they are still giving it unwavering love and support, even protection, as usual at the UNHCR, and that they are p.off with the Big Warmonger.

      • Walid on March 3, 2015, 2:07 am

        Kay, the poison is not Netanyahu but Israel itself. All previous leaders starting with BG have been just as vicious with the Palestinians. Look at all the doom and gloom promised would be done by those other Israeli contenders. Which of them would be good for Palestinians?

      • seafoid on March 3, 2015, 2:13 am

        Sah, Walid

        The problem is the system, not the leader.
        Apartheid is a system, not a person.

        It’ll fall apart and it’ll be very traumatic for everyone who thought it was forever.

      • DaBakr on March 3, 2015, 2:17 am

        @ky

        funny-calling netanyahu the “big warmonger’ when it is Iran who is currently flying, trucking and otherwise transporting 1000s of well armed soldiers with massive amounts of heavy arms into Syria to bomb, mutilate and murder Syrian civilians, rebels and asst. islamic ‘rebels’ who do not support the brutal and iron-fisted grip the Assad mafia has had over Syrian peoples for over 40years. And does Iran and its own iron-fisted Mullhas care a damn about the average Syrian civilian-or the million Syrian refugees? Warmongers is apt. The amount of killing and murder done by both Iranian regulars and IRG along with their well trained proxy Hezbollah makes any killing that Israel has done in that past against Hamas rockets look like a kindergarten scuffle. But then anti-Zionists here and elsewhere always say that is nothing but a ‘deflection’. deflection my ass.

        “Warmonger” indeed. The epitome of asinine and typical anti-Israel hypocrisy. And yes-why not bring up the fact that despite the animosity between many Syrians and israleis that the IDF is set up in the Golan to treat as many wounded Syrians as they can-civilian, rebel, or both as the lines of human catastrophe in this war have clearly blurred a long time ago. Americans need an ally like Iran like they need another Cuban Missile Crisis or worse-like they need another North Korea to deal with.

      • Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 2:21 am

        Walid, to me not only the leaders but the majority over there support that poison. A poll taken a while ago showed the majority support apartheid policies. Disgusting.

      • Walid on March 3, 2015, 2:28 am

        You’re right, seafoid, nothing is forever, but until that happens Palestinians will continue suffering a painful calvary. How much longer do Palestinians have to continue paying for the sins of the Europeans?

      • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 2:53 am

        Yes, Walid, I know about Kerry’s song and dance at the UN yesterday. I was merely pontificating…. and some.

        I actually think that Kerry’s over-performance at the UN yesterday was a deliberate PR misinformation maneuver: so as to assure the democratic jewish block that the WH’s support for israel is still intact – which it is, technically speaking – but there is uncertainty and direct trouble in paradise now and that trouble is staying for another twenty months at least.

        The reason why this crisis between USA and israel is different from any other crisis before is that this one has been a public teaching-moment for a chunk of the uninformed. More Americans can now see that for all we do for the zionist state, all israel does for us is give us the gift of war. I can’t tell you how many comments I’ve seen on various net outlets in the past 48 hours, by (what appears to be) newly informed regular Joes and Janes, all referring to aipac/israel as congress’ “jewish masters”; and common angry comments all over the place like like “Bibi wants our boys to fight israel’s wars!”.

        No there will not be revolutions in our system overnight, Walid. But the 4th of March will NOT quite be ‘business as usual’ either. Not as far as the American public is concerned – and this will eventually translate to new policies.

        Obama once said that he needed the public to give him the mandate, to make him arrive at change. It may be that inside of his remaining 20 months of power, there will be more opportunities for the American public to viscerally hand him this mandate for change.

      • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 2:56 am

        The day Netanyahu got his 29 standing ovations in congress is the day I stated on MW that aipac has hit its peak and it would be downhill from there. Judging by the number of democrats boycotting the upcoming Netanyahu speech, I’d say I was on target.

      • seafoid on March 3, 2015, 3:01 am

        Walid

        Until Zionism falls over. I wouldn’t like to put a timescale on it but it could happen quickly given the economic context .

      • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 6:13 am

        Dbrk,

        Enough with your diversionary crocodile tears for the “Syrian people”! You don’t give a rat’s tail for them and they sure don’t want your fake sympathy – they want their Golan back!!

        “Iran who is currently flying, trucking and otherwise transporting 1000s of well armed soldiers with massive amounts of heavy arms into Syria to bomb, mutilate and murder Syrian civilians, rebels and asst. islamic ‘rebels’ who do not support the brutal and iron-fisted grip the Assad mafia has had over Syrian peoples for over 40years.”

        Link or stfu.

      • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 6:41 am

        Dbkr,

        “the fact that despite the animosity between many Syrians and israleis that the IDF is set up in the Golan to treat as many wounded Syrians as they can-civilian, rebel, or both as the lines of human catastrophe in this war have clearly blurred a long time ago.”

        You guys are helping your so-called Syrian “rebels” alright. But pray tell, what name do these “rebels” go by? Answer: Al Nusra. Self-confessed “Alquaida in Syria” – that’s what they call themselves. And you just call them “rebels”? Why don’t you call them by their self-appointed name? You so grossed out by the fact that israel is in bed with Alquaida? Well you shouldn’t be – you have sooo much in common with these savages. BTW the UN presented the world with a handsome report on israel’s shinanigans with alquaida. I know you know all about it but pretending that no such thing exists:

        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/16/1358260/-Israel-and-al-Qaeda-are-coordinating-in-Syria

        I say israel’s diabolical plan of using alqaida as buffer between it and the feared hizbollah has failed already. Been following the exciting progress of the Syrian army in Qunaitra and Daraa? A hundred movies can be made out of these heroic battles – the Syrian army saving christian and moslem villages alike. And any day now, the forces of the Arab Syrian Army, with hizbollah forces, will be over-running the last of the Al Nusra in the Golan and pulling right up to the ’67 red line – close enough to wave hello at the trembling idf campers.

      • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 6:56 am

        Dbkr,

        CORRECTION: I meant to say the’1974 cease-fire line in the Golan – not “the ’67 red line”.

      • Walid on March 3, 2015, 7:41 am

        “Answer: Al Nusra. Self-confessed “Alquaida in Syria” – that’s what they call themselves. ”

        Taxi, as of a short while back, Nusra dropped the al qaida tag and joined up with ISIS. It took a while for them to combine forces because of differing points of view on leadership and who was to call the shots With that little detail out of the way, they’re now considered as one force. The only true rebels are what’s left of the Free Syria Army that comes to life and then quickly fades out of view every few months. Free Syria Army with the green, white and black flag is the one that the US uses to legitimize its involvement in Syria and also the one that the US drops all the arms to ($400 million’s worth 2 months ago) that somehow “accidently” fell into the hands of Nusra/ISIS. It was the FSA that got the ball rolling in July 2011 with BHL in Paris that made the initial deal with Israel in exchange for its help to drop all claims to the Golan and sign a peace treaty with Israel. Lately the FSA has been begging Isrel to bomb Syria and its army. Ever hear of anyone asking the enemy to bomb one’s own country?

      • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 8:27 am

        Walid,

        The other crazy thing about the FSA eggheads is that they want to destroy the very army that they would be commanding should they ever get into power. How is that sensible or practical? To run a great country like Syria with a small rag-tag group of Jordan-israel-Turkey-CIA trained rebels is preposterous – they cannot logistically provide the manpower necessary to secure the borders of such a landmass and so much turbulence in the region to boot. The FSA want to ‘secure’ Syrian territory when they haven’t even fully won a single battle – not one! What a ludicrous proposition!

        Bashar is staying in power because the majority of Syrians have willed it so – if some had doubts before, by now Bashar has proven his worth to them and they now trust his even-handed patriotism and competency 100%.

        Also, if free Syrian elections were held today (and tomorrow and for the next at least 20 years) and the FSA were candidates, they’d have no chance in hell of winning against Bashar who is extremely popular with Syrian sunnis (most of his army are sunni), druze, christian, alawites etc. In other words, a clear pluralistic majority of Syrians support Bashar, yet the USA wants to support an unpopular, unsavory and checkered minority and install them in the highest Syrian office. Why, I hear you asking? Because they represent zero threat to that goddamn israel.

      • Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 8:57 am

        DBKR, “Warmonger” indeed. The epitome of asinine and typical anti-Israel hypocrisy”

        You keep commenting as if Israel is a real saintly nation.
        It is at the bottom of all the problems in the area, trained the Syrian rebels, arming them, and most of all, has attacked it’s neighbors far too many times to mention. Israel is one of the top weapons manufacturers in the world, and has used it on helpless civilians in Lebanon and the Palestinians. So do go back in time and let us know here exactly when Iran attacked another country preemptively, like Israel does almost on an annual basis. So don’t come here to project much and try to change facts. The world knows what a war monger Israel is, and last time they displayed their “prowess” in Gaza, over 2000 died.

        Right now IRAN IS HELPING IRAQI TROOPS FIGHT ISIS IN IRAQ, and also indirectly help other nations fight them, including the US. Which is more than what our one and only ally in the US is doing. It is noticeable that Israel provokes and incites others to attack it’s neighbors, but does not risk a single Israeli soldier. Instead it’s leader has invited himself, to a circus in Congress, all to make the US (once again) bomb one of it’s neighbors, at the expense of the American people. He wants to turn the country against Obama and sabotage his efforts to get an agreement with Iran. If that is not war mongering, I don’t know what is. Get real.

  27. seafoid on March 3, 2015, 2:42 am

    Things are really bad in the US

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/b17c894e-c0f3-11e4-876d-00144feab7de.html

    “Regrettably for US democracy, this is a circular matter. As the recent cover story in New Yorker showed in a detailed account, only billionaires are capable today of financing a political campaign (such as required to run for Congress). Everyone else needs a deep-pocketed support. Three or four best organized lobbies have mastered the art of peddling the cheques, in exchange for post-electoral services. And the Supreme Court has confirmed the legality of this process. The organization mentioned in this article belongs to this elite group of deciders. The voters themselves have nothing much to say as this is not, strictly speaking, a ‘partisan’ issue, but a structural deficiency of the electoral system. Hence the deferential monologues, which we hear from the Hill on anything touching upon guns in the streets or ‘existential threat to Israel’, remain at variance to the views espoused by a large proportion of the nation’s voters.

    DonWilliams 3 hours ago
    @Postjudice @chris field
    Concur. And we are not talking about people buying favorable regulations or tax advantages –we are talking about selling the lives of US soldiers.

    As if proof is required

    and
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/17/AR2007021701172.html

    America is broken too

    Try listening to “Calling all angels” while watching the Netanyahu video from 2002 calling for war in Iraq and remember the people of Iraq and Syria and the families of the dead soldiers of the United States.

    • bintbiba on March 3, 2015, 6:33 am

      Seafoid….Thank you for that beautiful “brief shining moment” !

      • seafoid on March 3, 2015, 7:20 am

        ‘Afwan.

        I just can’t align Zionism with reality as I see it. It doesn’t go with any music I know.
        It’s all messed up psychically. I never met a Zionist who was coherent either.
        There is no sense to it.

      • seafoid on March 4, 2015, 9:01 am

        Bintbiba

        Here is another one for you

        Israel is where spirits get eaten

  28. seafoid on March 3, 2015, 2:51 am

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/00854dda-bd13-11e4-9902-00144feab7de.html

    “[The planned speech] injected a degree of partisanship, which is not only unfortunate, I think it’s destructive of the fabric of the relationship
    – Susan Rice, US national security adviser”

    The same Rice who drank the Zionist Kool aid at the UN

    This time is too far for Zionism.

    Remember Dornbusch’s law

    “The crisis takes a much longer time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you would have thought.”

    • bintbiba on March 4, 2015, 3:23 pm

      Seafoid…..
      Once more thank you for this…. John Trudell is very inspirational.
      “…….no relationship to Being…. protect your Spirit “! Very hard to keep hanging onto these days !

  29. Taxi on March 3, 2015, 3:02 am

    Susan Rice Tells Israel Lobbyists Their Demands Are ‘Unachievable’:

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/02/susan-rice-tells-israel-lobbyists-their-demands-are-unachievable/?wp_login_redirect=0

    ““We cannot let a totally unachievable ideal stand in the way of a good deal,” she said. “Even our closest international partners in the P5+1 do not support denying Iran the ability ever to pursue peaceful nuclear energy.””

  30. Taxi on March 3, 2015, 3:06 am

    Bibi Blows Up the Special Relationship -Stephen Walt:
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/02/bibi-blows-up-the-special-relationship/

    First line of article: “Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu may be the only person who was looking forward to his visit to the United States this week.”

    LOL!

    • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 3:12 am

      “It’s not the end of U.S. support for Israel, but it may well mark an important and ultimately positive shift in what has become a dysfunctional — even bizarre — relationship.” – S. Walt.

    • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 3:20 am

      “But as Matt Duss notes in an important piece in Tablet, the real divide is about policy, not personality. The flap over Netanyahu’s speech is exposing what has long been obvious but is usually denied by politicians: U.S. and Israeli interests overlap on some issues but they are not identical. It might be in Israel’s interest for the United States to insist on zero Iranian enrichment and for the United States to go to war to secure that goal, but such an attack is definitely not in America’s interest.” S. Walt.

  31. Taxi on March 3, 2015, 3:34 am

    Somebody needs to do a poll on aipac’s popularity in the USA. Not israel’s populrity, but aipac.

    • Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 3:43 am

      Taxi, I would take those polls with a pinch of salt, especially when conducted in the US. Just like the American think tanks, these polling companies may be run by pro Israeli elements.
      A few years ago, I saw a poll showing American support for Israel having dropped, but today it seems higher. After the last massacre in Gaza, many people got turned off Israel, so we may never know the real number. I get your point about doing a poll about AIPAC’s popularity in the US. It would be interesting.

  32. Taxi on March 3, 2015, 8:37 am

    Say, does anyone know what time Bobo’s speech is on?

    • Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 9:14 am

      Taxi, I just hear CNN international say coverage will start at 10am.

      • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 11:05 am

        Thanks Kay and Chu and Seafoid for the info.

  33. a blah chick on March 3, 2015, 8:48 am

    asherpat March 3, 2015, 2:08 am
    Dear Chic, your point does not undermine my point in any way. Whether Israel does or doesn’t have nukes, I still choose “bipartisanship” over death. Wouldn’t you?

    I beg to differ. You claim a fear of Iranian nukes raining down upon you and I said that the closest nukes capable of doing that are in Israel. (And yes, Israel has nuclear weapons) You can come up with any hypothetical situation you want to justify your position. Thank you for not quoting Jack Bauer.

  34. Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 9:03 am

    I understand it is around 11am EST, but not so sure. I intend watching it in mute, so that I don’t have to hear his booming angry voice, and hear his lies. Instead I want to see the reaction from our shameless congress, and see the adoration in their faces. Then I hope I don’t puke.

    • Taxi on March 3, 2015, 9:18 am

      That’s around 6pm Levant time, where I am. Perfect. Happy hour comedy time!

      I’ll be counting cliches. I’m past the vomit stage with zios and into the tickle.

      I’d love it if throughout the speech, we had a split screen on our TV/compute screens: half on Bobo and the other half panning constantly on both the uncomfortable and euphoric audience.

      • seafoid on March 3, 2015, 9:41 am

        Taxi

        Here’s an exclusive preview of the speech, only for those with inside information, sponsored by AIPAC and eternal persecution R us .

    • Chu on March 3, 2015, 10:49 am

      starts at 10:56am http://www.c-span.org/

      • seafoid on March 3, 2015, 11:02 am

        The FT is blogging it

        http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/liveblogs/2015-03-03/

        Likud is already using Netanyahu’s defiance of Washington, which strategists apparently calculate is a right-wing vote-getter, in campaign ads.

        In one internet spot released at the weekend, the party likened the speech to a decision in 1967 by Levi Eshkol, then prime minister, to launch a preemptive strike on Arab states over the White House’s objections, beginning the Six Day War.

        “Would we still be here today if Levi Eshkol had not done the right thing?” the video asked. “Only Likud. Only Netanyahu.”

        Eshkol was Labor. And there was no threat in 67 either.
        Likud speaking to their doped populace.

      • lysias on March 3, 2015, 12:10 pm

        I thought Eshkol didn’t want to attack, but was forced to by the generals.

        And I thought LBJ secretly gave a green light for the attack.

        By the way, I wonder if Likud’s ads will feature the standing ovations by the Congress.

  35. Chu on March 3, 2015, 10:48 am

    Bipartisanship is dead, as Netanyahu, AIPAC, and GOP square off against Obama over Iran –

    -While Democratic party holds their jackets.

  36. kalithea on March 3, 2015, 11:17 am

    Every Democrat present and applauding that nutjob in Congress and enabling his State of the Zionist Union speech should be fired at the ballot box when the time comes!

  37. Chu on March 3, 2015, 12:08 pm

    Yahu’s speech was average. He must have toned to down to appease the leftists at AIPAC.
    They know they don’t want to sever that umbilical cord that feeds Israel the endless gov’t pork and guarantees.

    It’s clear that the US can never be a serious negotiator of peace after this garish cult of personality performance. Seems like the idea of the USA (beacon of liberty, honesty, etc)
    is over. We’re all just rearranging the deck chairs of the titanic – talking about change.

  38. Kathleen on March 3, 2015, 12:32 pm

    Camera , Israel and rest of I lobby must have gotten through to Cspan. Calls into Cspan after Netanyahu speech 20 to 1 all about Netanyahu, all about going to war with Iran. Had to get to host and screener. Or the Christian Fundamentalist. right wing I lobby planned a surge on Cspan

    A woman caller saying she wishes Netanyahu was our President.

    • Kay24 on March 3, 2015, 12:39 pm

      That woman must have been Sara Netty, she would love her husband to be the President of our nation, in fact she was supposed to have said that he could have been. Did you see her adoring looks from the gallery?

      You are right, the hasbara must have been busy tonight making all those calls.

  39. piotr on March 3, 2015, 12:35 pm

    I guess it his hard to tell if “bipartisanship is dead” (the creature sometimes appears fleetingly near Potomac river, but it is hard to tell what type of an apparition it is), but it is clear that some folks want to get rid of it, and that it suits them just fine.

    Fanatics can be intelligent too. If you read Glick and her ilk, however polite the “Left” may be in some times and places, it is organically unable to adequately support Israel because it is tainted with multiculturalism and anti-colonialism which prevents sincere solidarity with a colonial project aimed at preservation of tribal identity. The Right that readily accepts colonialism and cherishes its won tribal identity and recognizes the virtues of cultural superiority is a natural stable partner. It is an unfortunate accident of history that American Jews are predominantly associated with the Left (Communists, Democrats and so on, differences are superficial in any case), but the cause of ZIonism requires a double re-allianment, domination of the Right in the internal politics among the Jews and an the American political scene.

    To achieve such realignment one has to use wedge issues that would reveal inadequacy of the Left to the Jewish and American public. A major obstacle is utter spinelessness of American Left, especially Democrats. Wedge issue number one: expansion of the settlements, it worked for a few months and then they rolled over. Wedge issue number two: pathological insistence on the peace process, intolerable pressure on Israel to produce some peace proposal, again, Kerry whined a little bit but then Administration committed itself to “never mind” attitude and that is not sufficiently wedge. With Iran issue it seems that finally Zionist Right hit the pay dirt.

    Let the Democrats whine! They lost both houses, and they will lose Presidency as well.

    This is a fairly logical strategy. I hope that it is wrong. The top reason why I think that it will not work is the history of Republican wedge issues. Almost every one looses its popularity, and the party replaces the old line up with new idle on the regular basis. A wedding with GOP promises as much of eternal bliss as a wedding with Ron Perelman (ir Donald Trump). Even more hopefully, GOP has a knack of latching onto issues that fade away quite quickly.

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