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Defending Israel’s policies can have a corrosive effect on your politics. Bill Maher, who is thought to be a progressive, defends Netanyahu’s last minute appeal to Jewish voters to get out to the polls so as to counter Palestinians “heading to the polls in droves,” by questioning whether the statement was racist and saying that if the U.S. were in Israel’s position it would do much worse: deny Palestinians vote and maybe “put them in camps.”

A lot of people were angry at the way Netanyahu won this election. They said it was racist that he said, at the last minute ‘Arab voters are coming out in droves to the polls.’

And I guess that is racist, in the strictest sense, he’s bringing race into the equation. But, first of all, like Reagan didn’t win races with racism? Or Nixon? Or Bush? Like they didn’t play the race card? Reagan opened his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi, remember that? Remember Willie Horton?

I heard a lot of commentators here say, it would been as if Mitt Romney, in 2012, on the eve of the election said, ‘black voters are coming out in droves to the polls.’ But I don’t know if that’s really a great analogy. I think that would be a good analogy if America was a country that was surrounded by 12 or 13 completely black nations who had militarily attacked us many times, including as recently as last year. Would we let them vote? I don’t know. When we were attacked by the Japanese, we didn’t just not let them vote, we rounded them up and put them in camps.

And I thought the Willie Horton ad of 27 years ago and the Japanese internment of WW2 were bad things that the U.S. learned from! That is the error in Maher’s thought: he is saying that Israel has a right to recapitulate all the mistakes of the west. There was slavery in the U.S. too; I suppose that justifies the occupation, in Bill Maher’s view.

Thanks to this tweeter, and Max Blumenthal. And to Haaretz, which is on the story. I used its transcript.

 

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  1. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    March 22, 2015, 3:09 pm

    You know what was even worse? the responses of the “panel.”

    KINGSTON: You know, I think on this race, Netanyahu wasn’t just motivated on his own re-election as much as he is on the survival of Israel. On one side he has the Gaza Strip, Palestinian Authority recognizing Hamas. To the north he has Hezbollah. To Syria he now has ISIS. I think he’s actually very, very concerned about the future of his country and the fact, that as you’re saying, these countries that are all around him have promised to wipe Israel off the map. So he was fighting not just for his own political future but for Israel’s.

    QUINN: Well look, I mean, I think the truth of the challenge and the danger for Israel, that’s real and I think it’s really important that we as Americans stand with Israel 24-7 (you just know there’s a ‘but’ coming …). And I think that Prime Minister Netanyahu is concerned about the future of his country. But (bingo!) let’s not pretend it wasn’t politics ’cause the day after the election we went right back.

    SCHLAPP (pouncing): Of course it was politics! How do you win an election?!

    MAHER: He’s a politician, by the way, in a real democracy that lets Arabs vote. So I’m just saying, a little perspective.

    Vile.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      March 22, 2015, 6:05 pm

      ” he is saying that Israel has a right to recapitulate all the mistakes of the west.”

      They sure do! And the have the right to see if they can deal with the consequences, too. What they want is the right to do those things, but be relieved, mostly by the US, of the consequences of doing them.

      • Antidote
        Antidote
        March 24, 2015, 9:22 pm

        “And they have the right to see if they can deal with the consequences, too.”

        Like having three high-rise buildings blown up in Tel Aviv, with 3000 casualties? Gevalt! Israel will immediately declare a holy war, attack Iran, whether Iran launched the attack or not, and the US will be in the ‘Coalition of the Willing”, no doubt. So what? business as usual

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        March 25, 2015, 5:54 am

        Of course, the buildings weren’t blown up. Two fell down because they were hit by planes, and the third fell down by itself, either in sympathy or in shock at hearing the BBC announce that it had already fallen down.

        No explosives, No siree.

      • Antidote
        Antidote
        March 25, 2015, 1:32 pm

        Roha,

        I didn’t mean to confirm the explosives/planned demolition scenario by my choice of words (“blown up”). Surely, the BBC was not involved in a conspiracy – they just didn’t check the facts, and then lost the tapes.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html

        Alas, according to recent reports (can’t find anything on this ruling in the msm, though) a British judge has ruled that the BBC is not worth paying for:

        http://www.globalresearch.ca/bbc-foreknowledge-of-911-collapse-of-wtc-building-seven-british-man-won-law-suit-against-bbc-for-911-cover-up/5438161

    • Krauss
      Krauss
      March 22, 2015, 11:49 pm

      It’s not just Maher.

      Jon Stewart did the same thing. He also went over and above to try to implicate the U.S. The difference is that while some GOP advocates seek to constrain the voting of non-whites, it’s not done openly and it’s not done very efficiently either(or else Obama wouldn’t have won with record black turnout in 2012).

      The difference here is that it’s being shouted from the very top. In the U.S., there’s no way a white president could say the things Bibi said about blacks(in our case) and get away with it.

      That’s what Maher/Stewart are missing. But it’s nevertheless interesting to see so-called “liberals” like them bending over backwards to protect Israel.

      Everyone knows about Maher, but I’m surprised so little attention turned to Stewart’s ritual defence(which is often about deflection/downplaying) of Israel. I’m glad he’s leaving.

    • March 23, 2015, 7:57 am

      “I think it’s really important that we as Americans stand with Israel 24-7 ”

      Why?

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      March 23, 2015, 9:41 am

      So I wish that someone with a spine would have pointed out to Maher that had any of those Black nations been occupied for decades, and had their lands stolen despite world condemnation, that “black” nation would have attacked that occupier too.

      It seems Maher has some kind of selective amnesia. According to his zio narrative, Israel NEVER does anything to provoke, nor does it break international laws.

    • steven l
      steven l
      March 23, 2015, 10:08 am

      How do the lefties convert a factual observation into a racist issue. It comes straight from the Alinsky Modus Operandi. Misrepresent and or lie then DEMONIZE. VOILA!
      Stating that many more IL Arabs may vote, under the intense pressure and manipulation of the leftist mass media, the EU NGOs and the US, to overthrow the Likud was just wishful thinking but certainly not racist. The idea is to try to distract the Israelis from the Nb ONE issue: SECURITY.

      • just
        just
        March 23, 2015, 10:34 am

        “Nb ONE issue: SECURITY.”

        Israel’s actions do not enhance its “”Nb ONE issue: SECURITY.””, although they are armed to the teeth. It’s a shop- worn cliché @ this point.

        (Please don’t bring “self- defense” up, either)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 23, 2015, 12:13 pm

        “The idea is to try to distract the Israelis from the Nb ONE issue: SECURITY.”

        Gosh, and I thought Israel was the safe refuge for persecuted Jews. But their No. 1 worry is security? Zio-fail.

      • March 23, 2015, 5:01 pm

        Is anyone else having trouble interpreting steven 1’s comment?

      • Philemon
        Philemon
        March 24, 2015, 9:16 pm

        “Stating that many more IL Arabs may vote, under the intense pressure and manipulation of the leftist mass media, the EU NGOs and the US, to overthrow the Likud was just wishful thinking but certainly not racist.”

        I’m sorry, Steve L., your post didn’t make any sense, at all. I’m with Giles. Perhaps you’d like to clarify your argument?

    • mikedobson
      mikedobson
      March 23, 2015, 10:17 am

      Cockney rhyming slang # 32001

      Bill Maher = Pile of shite

    • RockyMissouri
      RockyMissouri
      March 23, 2015, 10:43 am

      My feelings EXACTLY! Thank you.

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      Atlantaiconoclast
      March 24, 2015, 1:35 am

      And what is most infuriating to me is the media’s continuing refusal to see any contradiction in Israel’s foreboding references to ISIS and its attacks on the very force that is in a life and death struggle with ISIS, the Syrian government. Such hypocrisy on Israel’s part, and such ignorance among pseudo progressives like Maher. And don’t get me started on Sam Harris. The man completely ignores the West’s use of state terror and the links in that terror to Judeo-Christian exceptionalism.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      March 24, 2015, 10:29 am

      A real democracy, what a joke. I wonder if Maher knows what a real democracy is, certainly not one that has been accused of apartheid policies. He is such an ignoramus. Make that an arrogant ignoramus.

  2. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    March 22, 2015, 3:48 pm

    RE: “Bill Maher justifies Netanyahu’s racism by saying U.S. has done much worse”

    MY INCREDULOUS, RHETORICAL QUESTION: So that makes it all kosher?

    “What’s important is to remember, forgetting is even more important.” ~ Rainer Maria Rilke

    Rainer Maria Rilke – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Maria_Rilke

  3. ahadhaadam
    ahadhaadam
    March 22, 2015, 3:50 pm

    Bill Maher is a disgusting PEP (progressive except Palestine) who helps perpetuate myths, in addition to defending apartheid and colonialism.

    “Israel surrounded by hostile Arabs” – if I were to break into your house and expel you, I’d probably also find myself surrounded by angry relatives. Suggesting otherwise is adopting the most vile colonial racist views that suggest that Arabs bear irrational congenital hostility to Jews, driven by antisemitism.

    “who attacked Israeli militarily many times as recent as last year” – Another perpetuation of myths. The only war Arabs initiated was the 1973 war, which was in itself a limited war to recapture territory occupied by Israel in 1967, hence a continuation of a war that Israel started. Of course the 1948 war that Israel portrays as the original Arab aggression took place outside the partition lines and in response to the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine which going full force. Trying to salvage something of Palestine and protect the victims of ethnic cleansing at the hands of fresh colonial immigrants is hardly starting a war.

    Regarding the “as recent as last year” comment it’s another one of the preposterous Zionist spins which present the refugees of 1948 locked under a blockade in an open air prison known as Gaza as aggressors and the occupier – the people who ethnically cleansed them – as victims! This is the bizarre world of PEP’s and Zionists in general.

    • annie
      annie
      March 22, 2015, 4:02 pm

      i don’t think if him as progressive. his demeanor, everything about him makes me cringe. seems very rt wing to me.

      • just
        just
        March 22, 2015, 4:22 pm

        Yes, ma’am!

        It’s remarkable that post 911, both Maher and Miller went insane, entirely Islamophobic, and way- right.

        And they make big bucks doing it.

        They used 911 just like GW and his neocon cabal, Israel, and the all of the racists in the US did…None of these folks ever bothered to question “why”?

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        March 23, 2015, 1:48 am

        Right. There is not an ounce of anything progressive, intelligent or thoughtful about Schmuck Maher. He is a rather dumb pretender, dressing up his pontificating as snarky humor.

        He is a plant and propagandist. And much propaganda operates as humor and entertainment.

        That he still has a show says much about HBO or whoever it is that owns the dirt bag.

      • annie
        annie
        March 23, 2015, 2:46 am

        They used 911 just like GW and his neocon cabal, Israel, and the all of the racists in the US did…None of these folks ever bothered to question “why”?

        just, many people either forget or just never knew that maher spoke the truth after 9/11 and had his show taken away for a year. he made a deal w/the devil to get it back, has changed his tune.

      • just
        just
        March 23, 2015, 7:59 am

        I remember that.

        I also watched his downward spiral until I couldn’t laugh with him anymore. I got rid of HBO ( really glad that I did now that Shavit’s book is being made into something for the network, http://www.haaretz.com/life/movies-television/1.647190)

        I also remember Phil Donahue getting fired for telling the truth and asking the hard questions before the monstrous attack on Iraq . He, however, never sold his soul.

        “PHIL DONAHUE: Well, I think what happened to me, the biggest lesson, I think, is the—how corporate media shapes our opinions and our coverage. This was a decision—my decision—the decision to release me came from far above. This was not an assistant program director who decided to separate me from MSNBC. They were terrified of the antiwar voice. And that is not an overstatement. Antiwar voices were not popular. And if you’re General Electric, you certainly don’t want an antiwar voice on a cable channel that you own; Donald Rumsfeld is your biggest customer. So, by the way, I had to have two conservatives on for every liberal. I could have Richard Perle on alone, but I couldn’t have Dennis Kucinich on alone. I was considered two liberals. It really is funny almost, when you look back on how—how the management was just frozen by the antiwar voice. We were scolds. We weren’t patriotic. American people disagreed with us. And we weren’t good for business.”

        video and full transcript here: http://www.democracynow.org/2013/3/21/phil_donahue_on_his_2003_firing

        And, finally, I would like to say thank you and RIP Danny Schechter, ‘The News Dissector’ activist ,and progressive leader.

        http://www.alternet.org/danny-schechter-news-dissector-dies-nyc-72

      • Walid
        Walid
        March 23, 2015, 9:15 am

        “He (Phil Donohue) however, never sold his soul.” (Just)

        It also happened in Arabic broadcasting (a rarity) about 4 years ago when the network’s most senior journalist walked away from an 18-year career because he refused to abide by Jazeera’s marching orders on Syria. Ghassan Bin Jiddo, a staunch Arab nationalist especially on Palestine and a Tunisian Sunni with a Catholic mother and married to a Lebanese Shia; he had started with the network when it first opened as BBC-Arabic. He refused to doctor news reports on the Syrian conflict in 2011 and he along with 5 other journalists and technicians quit their very high paying jobs. A couple of years later, Bin Jiddo opened the al-Mayadeen cable news station in Beirut through public subscriptions.

      • lysias
        lysias
        March 23, 2015, 10:34 am

        Right after 9/11, Maher lost his job because he made the mistake of saying that the hijackers were not cowardly. That was factually correct, but politically incorrect.

        I think that, ever since, he’s been determined never to be outislamophobed again.

      • chris o
        chris o
        March 24, 2015, 12:06 am

        That’s a pretty ridiculous thing to say. Clearly you don’t watch his show and you maybe only see the controversial things that go viral. And, sure, on this issue, he is blind and what he said the other night was so off-base and triply compounded by having 3 Israel-worshipping guests. But on the scale of American politics, he is far to the left of most Democrats. He gave $1 million to Obama’s PAC in 2012 and you are saying “everything about him makes me cring. seems right wing to me.” Now that’s thinking with your feelings.

        P.S. He sold his soul to HBO to get a show back? Another ridiculous claim.

      • annie
        annie
        March 24, 2015, 12:42 am

        i didn’t know that about al-Mayadeen walid! that is fantastic. of course i heard that (from you as i recall) about Jiddo “walked away from an 18-year career because he refused to abide by Jazeera’s marching orders on Syria. ”

        when i was in lebanon my friends watched al-Mayadeen all the time.

        just, – donahue, of course i remember his show. he’s got tons of integrity. those were the days.

        and chris, i never said anything about maher selling his soul to hbo.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        March 25, 2015, 12:17 pm

        On foreign policy Maher is generally right wing. On domestic issues a true liberal/progressive. The basic tactic or stand of so many of our Dem Reps for decades.

        One of the best interviews ever with Maher is when he interviewed former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit Micheal Scheuer. Classic

        Although as of late Maher did an interview with Mercedes Schlapp and Jack Kingston (Just linked to ringoffire link that Max B had up) where Maher seemed to be promoting “let them (Muslims) kill each other” “commit suicide” because of religious rifts strategy. Which I have always believed is sort of a Sabra and Shatilla (divide and conquer) military strategy (which of course the U.S. has used many times too. Take down the containment walls, invade, do not provide safety valves, disband Iraq army and watch the place explode with death and destruction. That link that Just provided via Max B was a worthwhile watch

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      March 22, 2015, 4:37 pm

      Ahahaadam….
      It’s good to see you back at MW ! I often look for you on ‘Dancing With Palestinians”

      Thank you for your putting that silly man in his place.
      Although I don’t think he has the time for the likes of us here .

    • RockyMissouri
      RockyMissouri
      March 23, 2015, 10:49 am

      Thank you for truth.

    • SonofDaffyDuck
      SonofDaffyDuck
      March 23, 2015, 10:59 am

      One thing that never comes into the conversation is that we, Americans Pay off two of those neighbors, Egypt and Jordan, to keep the peace with Israel to the tune of another 2.5+ bil dollars.
      And they have stayed “payed off.” Additionally, we leveled a third, Iraq, for them.So they are not surrounded by hostile neighbors, thanks to the yankee dollar.

      Every time someone like Maher opens his mouth it all become more clear.

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      March 23, 2015, 4:07 pm

      India is inhabited by 200 million muslim and Israel is surrounded by 200 million Muslim ” that was the sentence uttered by Ackerman of NY and seconded by Lantos by his further addition of racist comments to Muslim and Arabs in 2006 in US Congress .
      Racism just like violence is ingrained in the Zionist fabrics. Getting a little tolerant to LGBT or to abortion or to moral support to Charlie Hedbo is the like embroidery on the dirty linen worn by the Zionist .
      Maher and Harris have fans both domestic and international . But that’s what the suckers are for . At least they have a fully clothed emperor.

    • mgduke
      mgduke
      March 23, 2015, 8:09 pm

      May I suggest PS/PERP (Pseudo Progressive Except Re Palestine) as the category for Maher and his ilk?

  4. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    March 22, 2015, 4:33 pm

    America the racist? Put African-Americans in camps (12.6% of USA) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity); put Hispanics in camps (Hispanics or [email protected] 16.4%? C’mon!

    Those people should call him on that! So should everyone else! And we need African-Americans and [email protected] on the Palestinians side. when do we need them? NOW!

    • pabelmont
      pabelmont
      March 22, 2015, 4:46 pm

      And about 3M Jews in USA out of 230M total. About 1.3% Jews. Put ’em all in camps? summer camps? Tennis camps?

      What was Maher’s point exactly? Didn’t he think in a democracy there should be “get out the vote drives” for minorities? Hunh?

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      Atlantaiconoclast
      March 24, 2015, 1:42 am

      African Americans and Latin Americans are for the most part, just like other Americans. They don’t give a damn about Arabs, let alone Muslim ones. The only thing that will activate them to pressure their leaders to change policy on Israel is to convince them that Israel is harming their communities, like by getting their young men and women to die for their wars.

      • Antidote
        Antidote
        March 25, 2015, 2:15 am

        “African Americans … don’t give a damn about Arabs, let alone Muslim ones. ”

        There have been some changes recently. Quoting from an article @dailybeast:

        “The Muslim-American community of which I’m part hasn’t been great in standing up with and for African Americans. A lack of empathy and racism are the main culprits. What makes this especially astonishing is that 30 percent of the Muslim-American population is African-American. You would think that there would be natural alliances, but that hasn’t been the case. At least not up until now.

        The shooting of Michael Brown and the heavy-handed response by the police that followed has struck a nerve among Muslims. It has motivated American-Muslim leaders to speak out publicly in ways we hadn’t seen before on police misconduct directed against African Americans.
        Why? A few reasons. But one that can’t be discounted is Gaza. ”

        you can read the rest here:

        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/20/michael-brown-gaza-and-muslim-americans.html

  5. Donald
    Donald
    March 22, 2015, 4:57 pm

    Maher defended Israel’s conduct in Gaza, so this is expected. What irritates me are the people who say these Islamophobes aren’t haters who justify violence. Of
    course they are. Maher has his progressive fan club, which to my mind means that many self-identified progressives are bigots and haters themselves.

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      March 23, 2015, 1:51 am

      Or that most people are ignorant and easily manipulated. I think it has nothing to do with their self understanding as “progressive” or “conservative.”

    • johneill
      johneill
      March 23, 2015, 2:35 am

      it’s my understanding that his following is based mostly on his hostile form of atheism, and his views of george w. bush (which views i’m sure we share, if we aren’t as smug about it).

    • chris o
      chris o
      March 24, 2015, 12:12 am

      Or maybe you are never going to agree with someone about everything, and people like me despise his views on Israel and Palestine but value his opinions about many, many other issues. And while I have criticisms of his whole take on Islam, I will deny that he is an Islamophobe who justifies violence. He is no Pam Geller or Bret Stephens. But I guess some people are offended by someone’s views on one or two issues, and then demands a boycott or something, and must feel proud of themselves as they righteously condemn the heretics.

      • mikedobson
        mikedobson
        March 24, 2015, 7:57 am

        I agree, I didn’t care much for Stalin’s slaughter and murder of millions but I liked his moustache and that made it ok. Similarly, Charles Manson had a really good taste in music. Call me old fashioned but I like my humans to be against genocide/ethnic cleansing/war crimes REGARDLESS of whether or not they might occasionally stumble over something ethical. Absolute horseshit. Yes, Johnny did slash the throat of a complete stranger but he has excellent manners.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        March 26, 2015, 6:08 am

        Mikedobson: Lol, like your sarcasm.

  6. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    March 22, 2015, 5:04 pm

    RE: “Bill Maher justifies Netanyahu’s racism by saying U.S. has done much worse”

    FOR INSTANCE: While he was a student at Georgetown University, future U.S. President Bill Clinton sent a postcard* to his grandmother (whom he addressed as “Mammaw”) in a nursing home in Hope, Arkansas. To say the least, it was a ‘racially insensitive’ postcard (showing a barefoot black male “polishing” a watermelon).

    * Bill Clinton’s Racist Postcard – http://serr8d.blogspot.com/2007/10/bill-clinton-racist-postcard-buy-it-now.html

    P.S. Here is a CLOSER LOOK at the front of Bill Clinton’s ‘racially insensitive’ postcard (showing a barefoot black male “polishing” a watermelon).

  7. joemowrey
    joemowrey
    March 22, 2015, 6:21 pm

    Maher is someone who, like many Zionist zealots, demonstrates what can only be described as a form of mental illness when it comes to his views on Zionism. He is decidedly progressive on many issues, but when it comes to Israel and Zionism he operates under the influence of a complete psychological disconnect from reality. The truth does not matter. You could make yourself blue in the face trying to explain the reality of the situation in Palestine to him and he would deny or deflect every fact, no matter how much proof was presented to him.

    I suspect he is a very good person who is genuinely disgusted by many of the human rights abuses that go on around the world. Yet, there is likely no horror or transgression that Israel could commit which would penetrate his emotional firewall and seem wrong or immoral to him. His racist attitude is the only way he can justify this cognitive disconnect to himself. As long as there is a “them” to blame, he can ignore his own conscience and intellect. If it is right for Israel, it is right. Period. Any other perspective would be unattainable for him in his current state of derangement.

    It does seem that in order for Zionism to be illuminated from our culture, an actual program of re-education and deprogramming would have to be implemented for large numbers of people who support Israel and the Zionist ideology. They do not have the emotional or intellectual ability to react or respond rationally to the truth when it comes to Israel because they suffer from a type of dissociative disorder.

    • Donald
      Donald
      March 22, 2015, 8:07 pm

      I don’t think Maher is a good man and your own description of him makes him out to be a bigot. I think it reflects very badly on progressives in the US that people pay attention to him, as though his views merit respect, in the same way that the popularity of the Fox News channel reflects poorly on conservatives. Maher might be right on some or many issues, but he is still a bigot who defends war crimes.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        March 23, 2015, 10:09 am

        I’m not American and I really don’t know much about Maher other than what I read here.

        However, from what I do know, I agree with you. Maher seems to be an unashamed bigot. You can’t be a ”very good person” if you believe certain people deserve fewer rights in their own country simply because of their race or religion. A good person would believe that all human beings are equal, regardless of race or religion. By that standard, Maher is far from being a ‘very good person’.

      • chris o
        chris o
        March 24, 2015, 12:21 am

        Maher makes me laugh. And often has good insights. But NO!! He’s bad, you declare. He is a bigot and progressives should tune him out. Well, then I guess we better start tuning out 80% of the Democrats in Congress who hold the same or more hawkish views on Israel.

        You have every right to tune him out. But it’s too bad you want everyone to act like you. You condemn the whole group of Progressives who watch Maher. You’re the bigot, and the scold.

      • Donald
        Donald
        March 24, 2015, 2:42 pm

        I take it then, Chris O, you didn’t get that upset when Bill Maher defended Israel’s actions last summer, a course he took because of his kneejerk Islamophobia. So he defends the killing of hundreds of Palestian children because of his bigotry, but that doesn’t count as support for violence. Is that what you want to say?

        I don’t know, Chris–when I see someone like that go on and on about how Islam encourages violence and then he supports extreme violence himself, it makes me a bit queasy. I actually do agree with Maher on some issues, but this one seems kind of important to me. The fact that so many progressives side with Maher and don’t call him out on this suggests that maybe it’s really just another form of tribalism at work. They like him because his smugness and insults towards some groups make them feel good. That’s human–I fall into the same trap too. I don’t personally find Maher a very interesting man, but I suppose I could have an admiration for someone else, only to find out that this person was defending war crimes. That would upset me. I might react to criticism of my hero by lashing out at people who attack him.

        On the Democrats, the fact is that in politics we rarely have really good candidates who have a chance of winning, so people react in various ways. Some go third party. Some vote lesser of two evils, but people who do this should still criticize the candidate they vote for if that candidate takes a nauseating position on some issue, which most Democrats do. But it’s a big mistake to make a cult of personality around a politician, for the same reason it’s stupid to admire someone like Maher.

      • Donald
        Donald
        March 24, 2015, 4:23 pm

        And here’s the great progressive hero of the cable shows managing to be sexist, bigoted, and defend war crimes all in one tweet—

        “Dealing w/ Hamas is like dealing w/ a crazy woman who’s trying to kill u – u can only hold her wrists so long before you have to slap her”

        Lovely man, Bill Maher. I can sure see why people admire his insights.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 25, 2015, 9:57 am

        || Donald: And here’s the great progressive hero of the cable shows managing to be sexist, bigoted, and defend war crimes all in one tweet— “Dealing w/ Hamas is like dealing w/ a crazy woman who’s trying to kill u – u can only hold her wrists so long before you have to slap her” ||

        Maher points out that the “woman is trying to kill you” but, like all apologists, he purposely omits mention of the fact that:
        – you kidnapped the woman months ago;
        – you’ve kept her chained in your basement since then;
        – you’ve repeatedly raped her; and
        – you are currently raping her.

        But, sure, it’s all her fault for not lying back and enjoying it.

      • Donald
        Donald
        March 26, 2015, 12:07 pm

        The whole image is grotesque and sexist. A crazy woman is trying to kill you, so you merely hold her wrists and then have to slap her? That sounds more like a comedian’s funny haha depiction of domestic violence. It reminds me of the “funny” depictions of violence against women in shows and movies from the 1950’s that I’ve seen–Maher is a couple of generations behind the times, though he does have an appreciative audience.

    • peeesss
      peeesss
      March 23, 2015, 1:12 am

      JoeM. “Derangement”, without a doubt. But to believe Maher “is a very good person” certainly gives one pause.. To watch and hear this smirking racist talk about “A-rabs, Muslims and , in particular, Palestinians as though they weren’t human and the applause and laughter it often gets, sad to say, belies any goodness you seem to find in him.. “Cognitive disconnect”? To me an obvious , ignorant, racist, zio bore.

      • joemowrey
        joemowrey
        March 23, 2015, 4:22 pm

        To Donald, Maximus and Peeesss:

        My bad. I can see I did a lousy job of trying to make an awkward point. I was suggesting that his racism may stem from a dissociative disorder which could be a result of his Zionist ideology. He can’t rationally accept the nightmare that Zionism has created in Israel, so he projects his hatred onto the “other,” in this case, Arabs/Muslims.

        But yea, he is a disgusting racist. No doubt about it. And my suggesting he is probably a “good person” was not a well thought out remark.

        I’ve tried for years to come up with an explanation as to why many otherwise rational people (people that I know personally and know aren’t evil monsters) become such bizarre zealots when it comes to Israel and Zionism. They totally lose sight of reality. The mental illness theory is me grasping at straws in an attempt to understand the inexplicable.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        March 23, 2015, 7:08 pm

        ”He can’t rationally accept the nightmare that Zionism has created in Israel, so he projects his hatred onto the “other,” in this case, Arabs/Muslims.”

        While that MIGHT work for an Israeli or even a US Jew who had been brainwashed by Zionism from childhood, I don’t think it’ll cut it for Maher. AFAIK, he’s not Jewish at all, but a non practicing Catholic – please correct me if I’m wrong. So if he’s a Zionist it’s because he CHOOSES to be one. He’s got no particular stake in that fight. He reviewed what he believes to be the facts and came down very firmly on the side of the country that killed 5OO kids this summer. That’s not a ‘very good person’ in my book.

      • Donald
        Donald
        March 23, 2015, 7:18 pm

        “I’ve tried for years to come up with an explanation as to why many otherwise rational people (people that I know personally and know aren’t evil monsters) become such bizarre zealots when it comes to Israel and Zionism. They totally lose sight of reality. ”

        No need to apologize. It’s a good question and I’ve noticed it too in people I know, so yeah, otherwise decent and rational people can have enormous blind spots.

        In Maher’s case, I think it’s worse because he has a public forum and is exposed to the arguments against his position and he simply rejects them in favor of bigotry. I can understand people who do it out of religious conviction, oddly enough. There is a whole view of the world they have and sometimes they feel it’s oddly fragile and if they give in on one point (the creationist movement is another example of this) their whole view of the meaning of life will collapse. They are wrong, but I get part of what motivates them and why they think it is so important.

        But I don’t quite get what is at stake for Maher. Except that he is just a racist a-hole.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 24, 2015, 12:51 pm

        “his racism may stem from a dissociative disorder which could be a result of his Zionist ideology.”

        It is called the Ziocaine Syndrome.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      March 26, 2015, 6:10 am

      He is without integrity and the mere fact that he can turn a blind eye to the suffering of the Palestinians, and last year, their slaughter in Gaza, shows he has lost any perspective on the situation and blinded by zionist loyalty.

  8. MRW
    MRW
    March 22, 2015, 6:36 pm

    Justin Raimondo at antiwar labeled it best: “Netanyahu, the George Wallace of the Middle East.”

    And Bill Maher is its Mike Huckabee.

    • peeesss
      peeesss
      March 24, 2015, 3:42 am

      JoeM. I agree. No need to apologize. You are , obviously, ” a good person.’ So many ignorant, racist people populate our airwaves be it politicians, radio/tv talk show hosts, so called “spokesmen and women”. We have to call them out for what they are, for what they do, sad to say, have influence . I never forgot Maher saying , to thunderous applause and laughter during the first or second Gaza massacre: “The Palestinians should go back to where they came from”. That’s the sensitivity and intelligence of this “progressive” icon.

    • March 24, 2015, 9:27 am

      Maher’s Mom is a Jew and therefore under both Jewish and Zionist rules, he is also a Jew. Hence his attitude is at least partially tribal I would suspect (or maybe simply white racism).

  9. Kris
    Kris
    March 22, 2015, 11:06 pm

    Maher: “When we were attacked by the Japanese, we didn’t just not let them vote, we rounded them up and put them in camps. ”

    Many of these innocent victims of U.S. racist paranoia were cheated out of their homes and property, and deprived of their chances to continue their educations.

    Maher thinks this despicable racist crime justifies Israel’s despicable racist crimes?
    Why does Bill Maher still have a job? The imprisonment by the U.S. government of 127,000 Japanese Americans who were guilty of absolutely nothing “was one of the most flagrant violations of civil liberties in American history.” http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/japanese-american-relocation

    Surely know-it-all Maher realises that the U.S. has recognized its guilt, apologized, and has attempted, however inadequately, to compensate the victims?

    • chris o
      chris o
      March 24, 2015, 12:24 am

      It is disappointing and infuriating to hear Maher say such stupid things. Usually, he is calling out the people saying such stupid things. If he keeps this up, he will lose me.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        March 24, 2015, 10:35 am

        He lost me when Israel sent precision bombs into homes and UN shelters in Gaza last year, and yet he blamed the defenseless Palestinians. Then, I realized he had no compassion, nor the sense to make good judgement. He is an ignoramus, who runs with the hasbara narratives.

        I never watched his show again.

  10. eljay
    eljay
    March 23, 2015, 8:19 am

    Bill Maher: I think that would be a good analogy if America was a country that was surrounded by 12 or 13 completely black nations who had militarily attacked us many times, including as recently as last year.

    And how did America end up being a state surround by 12 or 13 completely black nations who had militaries that attacked it? That’s right:
    – It was established as a supremacist “White State” in that region by means of White terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous non-White population from their homes and lands.
    – It was maintained and expanded as a supremacist “White State” by means of a decades-long and on-going campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder.
    – It refused to honour its obligations under international law (including the return of non-White refugees from the geographic region it comprises).
    – It refused to accept any responsibility or accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes.
    – It refused to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

    Like all supremacists (or supremacist sympathizers), Bill Maher always highlights the victimhood and always downplays or completely ignores the past and on-going aggression and the hateful and immoral ideology behind it.

  11. Sycamores
    Sycamores
    March 23, 2015, 8:28 am

    ‘Arab voters are coming out in droves to the polls.’

    someone needs to point out to Maher that these voters were not from occupied Palestine or from other nations, they are 1/5 of Israel electorate.

    rather then justifying Netanyahu racism with the US past sins maybe Maher should consider the words Never Again.

  12. Kay24
    Kay24
    March 23, 2015, 9:44 am

    What can you expect. Maher has shamelessly proclaimed he is a zionist and supports Israel.
    Apparently his devotion has made him blind to Israel’s crimes against humanity. Children killed at UN shelters? Hey they deserve it. As long as they are not Jewish children, right?

  13. LanceThruster
    LanceThruster
    March 23, 2015, 11:45 am

    What was really vile about the program was the unanimity of the panel’s apologetics of Netanyahu’s (and Israel’s) action. Maher opined that it was not racist to warn of the Arab ‘threat’ in their midst as a prudent caution.

    He said it’s not like the US is/was surrounded by blacks. What he missed (quite obviously) was the racism of South African whites or European invaders surrounded by the indigenous inhabitants of the North and South American continents. These were colonizers who put themselves smack dab in the middle of the danger for which they now wanted sympathy.

    *This* is the perfect example of the pervasive and incessant propaganda of the MSM that cannot bring itself (by design) to stray from the official narrative of ‘good’ Israel encircled by ‘evil’ brown people of a primitive faith and a penchant for violence (if that isn’t the ‘180 Rule’ I don’t know what is).

    You want to have a so-called ‘debate’ of Middle East issues, at least have some representatives of the peoples being affects and not just the goddamned Hasbara of the people (and their enablers) bleeding us dry to pay for their murder and oppression.

    You want to help make the world a safer place? Start treating people with the respect due them and ‘dare’ to give them a voice in their own future. You know, everything that Israel does *not* do with the people it brutalizes.

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      Atlantaiconoclast
      March 24, 2015, 1:52 am

      I think that one of the stumbling blocks to change in public opinion on the Israel issue is the dominance of the “progressive Left” among the foes of Israeli apartheid here in the U.S. Rather than condemning conservatives, people on the Left should work to show Red state Americans, Christian Zionists and other conservatives how Israel works or has worked against THEIR interests. There is never going to be this complete progressive ascension to power, so why not make opposition to Israeli apartheid a non partisan issue that goes beyond the tired Left/Right paradigm? I sense way too much condemnation of conservatism, as if it was the problem, rather than neo-conservatism. Most Southern conservatives don’t even know the meaning of neocon. They can be reached, but only through appeals to their self interest.

  14. Teapot
    Teapot
    March 23, 2015, 12:57 pm

    Maher: “I think that would be a good analogy if America was a country that was surrounded by 12 or 13 completely black nations who had militarily attacked us many times, including as recently as last year. Would we let them vote?

    I find this last statement very telling. ‘We’ (the American people) obviously means white people for Maher, while black people are not real Americans and can have their civil rights revoked if they don’t toe the line. Same thing with Israel. It’s eternally Jewish and everyone else is a barely tolerated guest. Maher is a disgusting bigot. No wonder he is defending Netanyahu. They are two peas in a racist sh*t bucket.

  15. lysias
    lysias
    March 23, 2015, 4:55 pm

    In 2012, Maher had a very unrealistic view of the state of affairs in Israel:

    Let’s not forget the other side of this issue, which is, the Palestinians do have gripes, and most Israelis do not agree with the Netanyahu government on the settlement issue. [Israelis] want a two state solution. I don’t think anybody’s ever gonna be happy or the conflict will ever end before that happens and as many writers have pointed out, Israel faces the problem of becoming a minority Jewish state within their own country if they allow this to keep going. There has to be some solution. In a lot of ways, what we see in Israel is their government has been taken over by the equivalent of what would be the Tea Party in this country. If you talk to most people in Tel Aviv, I don’t think they’re for what the government is doing

    I wonder if Maher has bothered to conclude, from the recent vote, that most Israelis do not think as he imagined they thought.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      March 23, 2015, 7:22 pm

      Indeed. So he spent 5 minutes in some Tel Aviv bubble and considers himself an expert on what ”Israelis want”? Never mind that what chic Tel Avivians tell visiting US celebs what they want, may not be what they actually want, but realy he should have visited Ariel or Mea Shearim to get a bit more of a balanced view.

      But these are tough times for those who have long hid behind the myth of liberal Zionism. The pretence that Bibi is some aberration who will soon go away was never convincing, but is now completely absurd. The Israelis have shown us what they want, and it ain’t peace.

  16. John Salisbury
    John Salisbury
    March 23, 2015, 8:01 pm

    To borrow a line from “Positively 4th Street” Bill ‘ just wants to be on the side that’s winning’

  17. Kay24
    Kay24
    March 24, 2015, 1:14 am

    So anyone knows if Bill Maher is okay with this? Israel spied on US/Iran negotiations.
    To what extent is this sick loyalty to Israel. It spied on the US to convey the information to Congress, and give Congress the information to be used against Obama. Nice.

    http://www.wsj.com/article_email/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427164201-lMyQjAxMTA1MTI0MzIyNDM0Wj

    • just
      just
      March 24, 2015, 8:49 am

      Such an “ally”.

      Disgusting.

      • just
        just
        March 24, 2015, 9:02 am

        As if this was unexpected:

        “Israel on Tuesday vehemently denied claims that it had spied on the U.S. during the Iranian negotiations, as reported earlier by The Wall Street Journal.

        Official in the Prime Minister’s Office called the allegations “utterly false.”

        “The State of Israel does not conduct espionage against the United States or Israel’s other allies. The false allegations are clearly intended to undermine the strong ties between the United States and Israel and the security and intelligence relationship we share,” they said.

        Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Israel had not received an official complaint from the American administration over such claims and that “there is no way, and there was no way, that Israel spied on the Americans. That is seriously forbidden among every level of Israel’s policy leaders.”

        “Israel’s security-intelligence relationship with the U.S. has suffered no harm, someone is just trying to stir conflict,” Ya’alon said. “It’s a shame that such winds are blowing into the clandestine channels in which we conduct this relationship.””

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.648550

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        March 24, 2015, 10:16 am

        Just, I find it extremely hard to believe anything the zionists say, including their well known Liar in Chief, Netanyahu. Of course, no one should be surprised they spied, they are masters of it, and I would not put it pass them to spy on these proceedings, so that they can use that information (and our good for nothing congress) to sabotage it. They are devious scoundrels, who will try anything to backstab Obama in this matter, hence the idiotic speech in Congress, which saw our American leaders treat this dishonest foreign leader like a God.

  18. Accentitude
    Accentitude
    March 24, 2015, 5:12 am

    What? Netanyahu was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, America did worse.
    What America was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, Mussolini did worse.
    What? Mussolini was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, Stalin did worse.
    What? Stalin was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, Hitler did worse.
    What? Hitler was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, the Spanish Inquisition did worse.
    What? the Spanish Inquisition was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, the American-Indian Wars were worse.
    What? the American-Indian Wars were racist?
    No big deal you guys, the Crusades were worse.
    What? The Crusades were racist?
    No big deal you guys, Salah Eddin was worse.
    What? the Salah Eddin was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, Ghengis Khan was worse.
    What? Ghengis Khan was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, Julius Caesar was worse.
    What? Julius Caesar was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, Alexander the Great was worse.
    What? Alexander the Great was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, King Ramses the 2nd was worse.
    What? King Ramses the 2nd was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, Tigranes the Great was worse.
    What? Tigranes the Great was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, Alaric the First was worse.
    What? Alaric the First was being racist?
    No big deal you guys, Justinian the First was worse.

    Why did Bill Maher stop there? Why hold Israel accountable when America did worse? Why hold America accountable when there are far, far worse? Hey, we should all be allowed to be racists as long as we are little less racist than the racists whom are worse than us according to Bill Maher’s logic.

  19. mikedobson
    mikedobson
    March 24, 2015, 7:46 am

    Maher Logic 101

    Any crime is justified if at some point in history a worse crime has been committed. At some point in history somewhere in the world someone raped their own grandmother. Therefore Israel can do what the fuck it wants.

  20. just
    just
    March 24, 2015, 7:52 am

    Jon Stewart on Ted Cruzio~ seriously funny video @ link.

    “Jon Stewart Mocks Ted Cruz’s Jump Into The GOP 2016 Clown Car At Liberty U”

    http://crooksandliars.com/2015/03/jon-stewart-mocks-ted-cruzs-jump-gop-2016

    • just
      just
      March 24, 2015, 8:06 am

      I’m taking out a trademark on Cruzio, btw.

      Or should it be Cruzion?

      • Accentitude
        Accentitude
        March 25, 2015, 2:24 am

        I can’t wait for the Cruzifiction. It’s going to be fun to say the least.

  21. Kay24
    Kay24
    March 24, 2015, 10:39 am

    Imagine if some leader had said “Jewish voters are coming out in droves to the polls.’ “, imagine the howls of anti-semitism, and oy veys. Usual double standards zio style.

  22. Kay24
    Kay24
    March 24, 2015, 12:55 pm

    Well, let’s applaud James Baker…at least he has criticized Israel many times.

    Former U.S. Secretary of State James Baker harshly criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the J Street conference in Washington on Monday, echoing White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough’s comments earlier in the day.

    Baker acknowledged his disappointment with “the lack of progress regarding a lasting peace,” saying that the chances for a two-state solution diminished since Netanyahu’s reelection last week.

    Baker further slammed Netanyahu’s “diplomatic missteps and political gamesmanship,” saying that the prime minister’s “actions have not matched his rhetoric,” according to Politico.

    Earlier in the day, White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough offered a similar rebuke of Netanyahu – specifically the prime minister’s claims that no Palestinian state would be established on his watch.

    “We cannot simply pretend that those comments were never made,” McDonough told the conference.” Haaretz

    I think his previous experience has given him insight into exactly who Netanyahu and the Israelis are. Didn’t he once give a phone number telling Israel to call when they are serious about peace?

  23. talknic
    talknic
    March 24, 2015, 7:42 pm

    Maher is qualified as an … Um … as a … Er … he’s a … Oh .. he has a degree in … uh

  24. chris o
    chris o
    March 24, 2015, 9:52 pm

    Bill Maher makes a lot of great observations. He loves mocking the stupidity of Americans. He is ruthless on the ridiculousness of religious beliefs (and that includes Islam). He praises Socialism and calls for major redistribution of wealth. He can be offensive. He cuts like a knife. And a lot of people get hurt easily.

    Michael Moore’s Defense
    http://www.alternet.org/media/michael-moores-defense-bill-maher-over-his-controversial-comments

    • Donald
      Donald
      March 25, 2015, 12:40 am

      Moore missed the point, perhaps deliberately since Maher is his friend. Maher doesn’t just criticize the crimes and stupidities of Muslim fundamentalists–he took the side of Israel during the Gaza slaughter because of his mania against Islam. That’s sick and if his fan club can’t see where he crosses the line from legitimate criticism of fanaticism to being an advocate for war crimes, then they share his sickness or are deliberately blinding themselves to the flaw of their hero. He’s been doing this for awhile now and I’ve heard him claim he gets more applause for his Muslim bashing , so apparently he has the audience that deserves him.

    • Walid
      Walid
      March 25, 2015, 1:04 am

      Michael Moore is defending Maher for the sake of defending him. All the arguments he brings in Maher’s defense don’t apply because Moore is taking it for granted that Maher is only criticizing bad Moslems. He’s not, he’s criticizing Moslems, period. Moore is being deliberately stupid here.

    • annie
      annie
      March 25, 2015, 1:24 am

      He is ruthless on the ridiculousness of religious beliefs – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/justifies-netanyahus-racism/comment-page-1#comment-756738

      oh really. do you have a link on any alleged “ruthlessness” wrt judaism? because i remember looking once and found nothing.

      • chris o
        chris o
        March 26, 2015, 4:12 am

        I do recall one or two comedic episodes of him mocking on the Orthodox Jews, very easy targets. But I can’t defend his position on Israel and Palestine. “just” posted an interview where Maher sounded like a completely ignorant Necon. It’s disturbing. I condemn his position on that. But I was not talking about that. I am talking about the fact that on many other issues I really appreciate what he is saying. I think we live in a very fucked up country and he calls that out a lot. Of course, when he is talking about Israel, he reflects that we live in a fucked up country.

        It’s like my sister or father might have some offensive views on some things. But if you want to call them bad people, and compare (equate?) them with Stalin and Charles Manson, I’m going to put in my defense. Especially when it is a chorus of agreement with no pushback at all. The internet is a great place to condemn people and consider them garbage for something they said, as if we are all pure.

      • chris o
        chris o
        March 26, 2015, 4:23 am

        The other thing is that, regrettably, Bill Maher’s views on Israel/Palestine reflect what every “important” Democrat believes. To a T. He’s just not PC about it. That includes Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Hillary, Bill. Everyone but Jimmy Carter who has been out of office for 34 years!

        So even though I disagree vehemently with Bill Maher on Israel, I likewise do so with the cast of characters that is the Democratic Party. Unlike I believe EVERY commenter here, I don’t think Bill Maher is a piece of shit to be condemned and tossed away. But that’s my personal taste. I accept that many do not like or appreciate him and his show. But I ain’t like you in that regard.

      • Donald
        Donald
        March 26, 2015, 12:01 pm

        It’s understood that politicians can’t be trusted–it’s a truism. They want to be re-elected and they will ditch any principle to achieve that goal. Maher prides himself on looking at the facts and telling unpleasant truths. I think he’s a pompous jerk and not just on the I/P conflict–his comparison of Hamas and Israel to a crazed woman being slapped by a man shows he is an ass on other subjects as well. And he has an enthusiastic audience who defends him on everything.
        He’s got his niche, just like Fox News.

        What is disgusting about the American political scene is how much attention is paid to people who just aren’t that bright or insightful, but they have a way with “witty” invective, though the wit is often in the eye of the beholder. People like Maher because he insults other people they don’t like. Fox News is loved by conservatives for the same reason. It’s a common flaw, and I share it, but it’s not a good way to approach issues. What is bothersome is that, unfortunately, Maher has enough of a platform and is taken seriously enough that people think they have to refute him.

    • Accentitude
      Accentitude
      March 25, 2015, 2:26 am

      Ask Bill Maher if he’ll ever volunteer to redistribute his own wealth and then get back to me.

      • chris o
        chris o
        March 26, 2015, 4:35 am

        You sound like the right wingers telling Warren Buffett and Bill Gates to shut up and stop calling for increasing taxes on the rich and just voluntarily give their money to the Federal Government. Bill Maher is all for tax increases on himself, so yes he has volunteered to redistribute his own wealth. And all the other wealthy people’s wealth. Because that’s what it’s about. Ask Buffett or Gates.

    • just
      just
      March 25, 2015, 8:52 am

      From 2012:

      “HJ: It’s no secret you’re not a great admirer of religion. But I’ve seen your live stand-up show and it seemed to me the religion you poke fun of the least is Judaism. Why is that?

      BM: We do poke fun of it quite a bit in “Religulous” but I mean it’s certainly not as dangerous as Islam and Christianity. Those are warlike religions. The Muslim world was conquered in a century. Mohammad died in 632; by 732, they were at the gates of France, they were in the Pyrenees. Jesus Christ, I mean, you don’t do that by handing out pamphlets and singing ‘Cumbaya.’ They conquered by the sword………

      ……….HJ: I know you’ve been to Israel and that you’re part Jewish. What’s your view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How optimistic are you that they’ll find a two-state solution?

      BM: I’m optimistic that it’ll get worked out in the same way I’m optimistic that Marijuana will be legal all across the country; perhaps not in my lifetime, but at some point. But I’ve never hid the fact that I don’t think it’s a conflict where both sides are equally guilty. I’m more on the side of the Israelis; that’s why Benjamin Netanyahu did my show a few years ago, before he was Prime Minister.

      HJ: Why are you more on the side of Israelis?

      BM: Take this conflict; here, everyone in the newspapers, the pundits, they talk about it like it’s very complicated. It’s not that complicated: Stop firing rockets into Israel and perhaps they won’t annihilate you. I mean, it’s so crazy when you look at these images on TV. Ok, they just had a little war. It lasted a week like most Israeli wars do; the Israelis lost a handful of people, shot down most of the rockets, and the neighborhoods in Gaza are devastated. They’re rubble. They lost over 1,000 people and yet somehow Palestinians are celebrating in the streets? I don’t get this celebrating when you just totally got your ass kicked.

      HJ: The Atlantic journalist Jeffrey Goldberg pointed out that many in the media tend to point out the disproportionate casualty count between Israelis and Palestinians, and he wisely wondered if there is a moral difference between attempted murder and successful murder.

      BM: It’s obvious that Israelis, in all of their battles with the Palestinians, show restraint. Because they have nuclear weapons. And if the situation was reversed, I don’t doubt for a second that Palestinians would fire them immediately. They’d use the maximum of what they have available and the Israelis don’t.

      HJ: There was a big debate this week in the Jewish world that arose from a dispute between two rabbis about whether Judaism should be more universal and humane or more tribal and self interested. But it is widely felt that the Israeli army conducts itself with deep concern for the humanity of the people they are fighting.

      BM: Let’s not forget the other side of this issue, which is, the Palestinians do have gripes, and most Israelis do not agree with the Netanyahu government on the settlement issue. [Israelis] want a two state solution. I don’t think anybody’s ever gonna be happy or the conflict will ever end before that happens and as many writers have pointed out, Israel faces the problem of becoming a minority Jewish state within their own country if they allow this to keep going. There has to be some solution. In a lot of ways, what we see in Israel is their government has been taken over by the equivalent of what would be the Tea Party in this country. If you talk to most people in Tel Aviv, I don’t think they’re for what the government is doing, but when it comes to self-defense — Obama himself said the other day: There’s just not another country in the world that would allow missiles to be rained down on them without fighting back. What I find so ironic is that after World War II, everybody said, ‘I don’t understand the Jews. How could they have just gone to their slaughter like that?’ OK, and then when they fight back: ‘I don’t understand the Jews. Why can’t they just go to their slaughter?’ It’s like, ‘You know what? We did that once. It’s not gonna happen again. You’re just gonna have to get used to the fact that Jews now defend themselves — and by the way, defend themselves better. I mean, this is a country, after all, that is surrounded by far greater numbers than their own [and] they are like two generations ahead in the military technology they have.””

      http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/bill_maher_on_israel_uncut_and_uncensored

      NOT funny. And he’s not evolved from this. He’s gotten worse, imho.

      That is, unless you consider this is an example of him being “ruthless”:

      “HJ: So, in your opinion, Judaism is not as bad because it’s not as violent?

      BM: There’s a lot to be made fun of in any religion, and that includes Buddhism, by the way. A lot of my Hollywood friends think ‘Oh, Buddhism is a philosophy, it’s not a religion.’ It’s a religion because it includes crazy whack shit that doesn’t exist, that somebody made up, like reincarnation. OK. But I mean, Judaism, we had a lot of fun when we did “Religulous” [because] we went to the institute where they invent devices that allow people on the Sabbath who cannot use electricity to take an elevator or ride in a wheelchair.

      HJ: The Shabbes Elevator

      BM. The Shabbes Elevator. Stuff like that is just insane and it’s funny but it doesn’t really threaten anybody’s life. I did a joke in my act about, ‘I’d like to see Joe Lieberman as President because he doesn’t use electricity on Friday night and so if there’s a nuclear attack, he gets a Shabbes goy to launch our nuclear missiles.’”

      hardy har har.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 25, 2015, 9:16 am

        “HJ: Why are you more on the side of Israelis?

        BM: Take this conflict … It’s not that complicated: Stop firing rockets into Israel and perhaps they won’t annihilate you. … Let’s not forget the other side of this issue, which is, the Palestinians do have gripes … Israel faces the problem of becoming a minority Jewish state within their own country if they allow this to keep going. … What I find so ironic is that after World War II, everybody said, ‘I don’t understand the Jews. How could they have just gone to their slaughter like that?’ OK, and then when they fight back: ‘I don’t understand the Jews. Why can’t they just go to their slaughter?’ It’s like, ‘You know what? We did that once. It’s not gonna happen again. …

        Pure Zio-supremacism:
        – Israel as a supremacist “Jewish State;
        – the Holocaust used as justification;
        – the “demographic threat” to Jewish supremacism in a supremacist “Jewish State”;
        – no mention of Israel’s 60+ years of (war) crimes and refusal to honour its obligations under international law; and
        – the Palestinians’ legitimate grievances reduced to a single word (“gripes”).

      • annie
        annie
        March 25, 2015, 11:39 am

        exactly just, that’s what i meant. so why is it defenders of his come up with this claim that he’s ruthless on judaism too when he’s not. not a peep about deuteronomy or the killing gentile babies book and the continued justification of slaughtering children.

        one of my best friends who likes him i mentioned he definitely was not even handed wrt criticizing judaism. and listen to him equate the settlers w/the tea party. he’s in denial.

        so chris, i’m waiting for you to back up your statement, or are you in denial too?

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        March 25, 2015, 1:06 pm

        Funny, I was going to link this same article. It is unbelievable that Maher FAILS to mention that perhaps it is the occupation that results in those rockets coming in, and by the way, those rockets most probably hit more olive trees than Israelis. He sounds so ignorant, and unable to comprehend the deeper complexities in this situation. If only it was as simply as “stop sending rockets”. When will they ever question why the occupation goes on.

      • Donald
        Donald
        March 25, 2015, 6:41 pm

        I can’t stand the claim that he doesn’t support violence when he clearly does. Basically, he and Sam Harris and their fans are bigots who support state terror against Muslims and yet they claim to be doing it in the name of secular liberal values. They represent secular liberal values in the same way that the torturers of the Inquisition exemplified the Sermon on the Mount.

    • jenin
      jenin
      March 31, 2015, 6:14 pm

      Chris, I know I’m a bit late to the table with my comment, but I just wanted to defend you a little bit since your view on this topic seems to be unpopular. I’ve actually sworn off Real Time multiple times because of Maher’s despicable views on Israel/Palestine, including during the Gaza attacks last summer, during the Gaza attacks in 2012, and most recently since the episode that is the subject of this article. I have struggled a bit with my views on him because I find his opinions about I/P so uninformed, bigoted and sick, but I do like much of what he says about the state of this country, I sometimes find him funny and I enjoy many of the panel discussions and guests. I really cannot bear to watch him talk about I/P though and I’m starting to feel I shouldn’t provide any support by watching in. So my overall point is, I’m conflicted and you’re not the only person on this forum who enjoys his show minus the commentary on Israel/Palestine and some of the stuff he says about Muslims.

  25. piotr
    piotr
    March 26, 2015, 8:04 pm

    “if America was a country that was surrounded by 12 or 13 completely black nations who had militarily attacked us many times” Wake up, Mr. Maher! I do not know how you have arrived at “12 to 13” count, but it is damn close to reality!! In one case, a completely black nation threatened USA so much that it took three brigades to eliminate the threat — try a web search for “Grenada”. Haiti necessitated multiple interventions. And do not give me crap that it is not USA under threat by Grenada and Haiti but other way around.

    How do we know that it was Gaza attacking Israel and not other way around? Because Israel is a civilized country and it would not kill 2000+ folks without a damn good reason. Likewise, USA is a civilized country, and if it send Marines to Haiti, it means that there was a grave danger to our federal state.

    And how many of those black countries surround US of A? Bermuda and Cayman Islands perhaps do not count, being formally British possessions, but they do their best to wreck havoc with our financial system. Then we have Haiti, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, St. Vincent, St. Lucia, Grenada, Belize, Dominica, Guyana, Bahamas, St. Kitts and Nevis, a nice dozen! And there are also partially black state that are even more threatening! Like Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, recently proclaimed to be a danger to US of A.

    And here Mr. Maher is driven to distraction by threats posed by Mauritania, Bahrain etc. to his beloved Middle Eastern country. Luckily, American police remains vigilant to the black threat, constantly gunning down threatening individuals, but this is a precarious thin line of defense.

    Actually, many soberly thinking legislators and judges do they best to diminish the threat of combined Black+Hispanic+Leftist vote, and their efforts are quite effective. However, it is a constant struggle that Mr. Maher sniffingly dismisses as “not understandable”. Romney himself observed that there are 47% of potential internal enemies, and received a lot of shellacking just for telling the truth.

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