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Annie Robbins

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  1. just on April 8, 2015, 7:44 pm

    More please, White House~ tweet, and tweet out loud, too.

    So glad that you highlighted this, Annie. Super clever of the WH.

    (and thanks to Eva, again!)

    • annie on April 8, 2015, 7:47 pm

      yes, absolutely thanks to eva!

      • just on April 8, 2015, 7:52 pm

        And you got it up with astonishing speed, Annie!

        Well done and thanks.

      • annie on April 8, 2015, 8:14 pm

        my pleasure. i think it’s a hysterical use/mockup of netanyahu’s cartoon. way to go WH.

      • ckg on April 8, 2015, 9:31 pm

        Sweet! Thanks annie and eva.

  2. pabelmont on April 8, 2015, 7:54 pm

    trolling: “Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it’s the internet and, hey, you can.”

    OK, sock it to him (PMI). who’s the troll anyhow, here? But delicious to flaunt the same diagram.

  3. Philip Munger on April 8, 2015, 8:15 pm

    I think the term “lampoon” is more appropriate than “troll.” But, lampoon, without the quotation marks.

    • bryan on April 9, 2015, 3:29 am

      Nothing wrong with the good old English idiom “taking the piss”.

    • Ellen on April 9, 2015, 4:12 am

      You know….I would not even call this lampooning, let alone trolling.

      The White House is making it’s case, explains the consequences of the agreement framework in the cartoon language and realities of Netanyahu and his cheerleaders and supporters in the US Congress.

      Road Runner cartoons is their world, their level of understanding, as demonstrated; and the White House is communicating with Israel and Co., just as Netanyahu communicated to his boys and girls in the US Congress. He sees himself, after all, as a babysitter.

      And if this is what they respond to, this is how the WH gets it’s message across.

      • pabelmont on April 9, 2015, 9:09 am

        Ellen: I hate to think that you have nailed the mentality of (and right-level-of-communicating-with) the right-wing of our Congress, but you could be right. If our Congress is filled with folks who think at “comic-book” level, then woe betide us (I mean, you know, “veh ist mir”) — and, more important, people who mean to communicate with them had better use these methods!

        Before I read your comment I thought the cartoon was “trolling”, “taking the piss”, “lampooning”, etc. Now you make a good case that it was just talking to these kindly folks in the language they can best understand.

        Thanks for the clarification.

  4. JLewisDickerson on April 8, 2015, 8:31 pm

    RE: “The White House has poked fun of Netanyahu’s infamous UN bomb cartoon by co-opting it for a tweet promoting the P5+1 Iran deal.” ~ Annie

    MY COMMENT: I love it. Especially the visual of the scissors having cut the fuse. THAT is an incredibly powerful image/message that they need to use over, and over, and over! ! !

    • Mooser on April 9, 2015, 4:31 pm

      I think you are right about the scissors-cutting-fuse image- very powerful. Is it original with this, or has that image been used before? Nuclear disarmament and weapons proliferation control people should adopt it.

  5. Karl Dubhe on April 8, 2015, 8:48 pm

    Brilliant. I’m sure some will call this trolling, others will say it’s lampooning or poking fun. I think that’ll depend on whose ox was gored by this one.

    I hope the WH continues this form of offence. It’s a much better idea than the alternative.

  6. Mooser on April 8, 2015, 8:58 pm

    Gosh, using mockery on Zionists? Isn’t that a little, well, rough? Mockery might make them uncomfortable.

    • MRW on April 8, 2015, 10:52 pm

      Or hurt their feelings.

      • pabelmont on April 9, 2015, 9:14 am

        MRW: “or hurt their feelings” in which case it may be (called) an instance of antisemitism.

      • Mooser on April 9, 2015, 10:46 am

        “or hurt their feelings” in which case it may be (called) an instance of antisemitism.”

        Now I feel awful! Did you say that just to make me feel terrible? Gosh, I never thought of it that way before. I am going to change my ways, and be serious.

  7. pabelmont on April 8, 2015, 9:12 pm

    Gosh, I do so hate to mock Zionists. Mockery is so, so, so inadequate.

    Instead, how about a quotation from our own, our very own Abraham Lincoln, from the time of the Lincoln/Douglas debates on slavery:

    No man is good enough to govern another man, without that other’s consent.

    (p.167, Team of Rivals, Doris Kearns Goodwin). How would the Zionists answer Presidetn Obama if he said THAT, perhaps to the UNGA or UNSC on the occasion of a vote on Palestinian membership in the UN!

    Now to be fair to Lincoln, he was not arguing at that time for an end to slavery, but to containing its spread. But slavery in the USA in those days had the force of law, whereas, today, occupation for 50 years and acquisition of territory by threat or use of force is explicitly unlawful, contrary to UN Charter and UNSC-242 (1967).

    • larick on April 9, 2015, 8:08 pm

      You’re more right than you realize. Read Eric Foner’s The Fiery Trial about Lincoln and slavery. You’ll see the parallel with the BDS movement. If moves from extremely marginal to central in a very short period. Also, Pal. Territories are ruled under Israeli Military Courts and an arbitrary bundle of laws that are not applied to Jewish residents, who fall only under Israeli law. The Army, which is the real authority there , cannot arrest Jew. Israelis, only border police, who only arrive very very late, if at all. It is very much like Jim Crow only much much worse. It was the Brits who outlawed slavery and started the ball rolling. it never stopped rolling.

  8. radii on April 8, 2015, 9:54 pm

    that’s trolling at its finest … here was my take on Bibi’s original speech using that sign (it’s evil Dan Halen from Squidbillies for those who don’t know the brilliance of adult swim)

    • just on April 9, 2015, 7:06 am


      • DaBakr on April 9, 2015, 9:17 pm

        i wonder if Obama is going to ‘lampoon’ Geo. P. Shultz over his critique of the non-deal deal to agree to a deal in June? Maybe he might call Kissinger a chickenshit too.

        And Clinton?In ’94 he stood up and announced that he a made “a good deal for America” and that the N Koreans would dismantle their nukes and the world would be a much safer place for everybody. 13 yrs later they exploded their 1st nuke. It just sounds a little familiar but if you have big love for Iranian regime (not people) you turn a blind eye to millions of Iranians stuck under brutal totalitarian rule. This regime has just been strengthened by 10fold and those Iranians (millions wishing for just their vote to count) will be stuck under the Mullah, his family and their cronies for decades. Great work. Such a safe world. And the negotiator is “cute”? Whoa ….good thing he isn’t a she. There are incredibly beautiful Iranian women. Does ‘cute’ preclude doing a tyrannical regimes bidding? Angela merle was very ‘cute’ when she was younger. King Herod was supposedly ‘beautiful’.
        I have wanted to believe the Iranian regime is simply mistrustful of the US and is otherwise an innocuous nation just trying to promote its peoples well being. I have tried to fit this onto the regime quite a few times. I simply haven’t read anything that supports the idea that Iran can be trusted to stick to any deal and not make big trouble for its neighbors (and I am not including the ‘Zionist Entity’ as this is a relatively new strategy with the mullahs and I don’t think they will attack Israel in a traditional straight forward way anyway.

        there are far more nations besides Israel concerned with the influx of billions of $ into the regime. The only good news is it should alleviate a lot of the struggling ordinary Iranians have been dealing with under sanctions. Obama is counting on this to help oust the mullahs and I think he is kidding himself.

  9. NickJOCW on April 9, 2015, 7:00 am

    It’s neat. However, unless the sanctions are lifted in a manner that only the UN Security Council could reverse the Iranians won’t sign it, and cracks are now appearing in that supposition. The EU has just re-imposed a whole bunch of sanctions for another year. So far, although the Iranians support negotiation, they do not trust the US not to say one thing and do another. If they find confirmation the sanctions will not be lifted they may not even stay the course. They thought that’s were the deal was going but the things Obama has been saying since the joint announcement last week are giving them second thoughts. Your 47 Congress persons may have nothing to fear after all.

  10. just on April 9, 2015, 7:05 am

    “Is the White House poking fun at Netanyahu on Twitter?

    Do you remember that cartoon bomb Netanyahu used to drive his point home during a 2012 UN speech? The White House certainly does.”

  11. Citizen on April 9, 2015, 8:51 am

    Bibi deserves to be lampooned, he earns it daily

    • talknic on April 9, 2015, 12:12 pm

      The ICC doesn’t do lampooning :-)

    • talknic on April 11, 2015, 12:21 pm

      @Citizen “Bibi deserves to be lampooned … “

      Isn’t it spelled with an ‘H’ ?

  12. echinococcus on April 9, 2015, 11:32 am

    Satirizing the Yahoo would have been commendable if Obama’s despicable, warmongering cartoon weren’t choke-full of all the Zionist lies. What’s there to laugh at? In fact, it’s so bad that this isn’t lampooning but acceptance of Yahoo’s big bad Iran theory together with its symbols.

  13. Steve Grover on April 9, 2015, 12:10 pm

    The Iranian Regime (you know the dudes with them hangin’ cranes) are laughing their asses off at the U.S. because of how gullible POTUS and SSOTUS are. Netanyahu knows better and so does the U.S. Congress and they Won’t Be Fooled Again.

    • just on April 9, 2015, 1:46 pm

      Oh, it’s you again, SG. zzzzzzzz.


      “Lausanne strengthens hand of Iran’s reformers in next election

      …Lausanne heralds a transition towards a time when isolation and belligerence are no longer the lingua franca of the country. For so many Iranians it is gratifying to be seen in a new light, the embodiment of which is the smiling, erudite and supremely polite foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, the diplomat who can rationally negotiate for national interests, backed by a president who wishes to end enmity with the world. This is closer to the image Iranians have of themselves: a civilised people proud of their politesse.

      But more profoundly, for those Iranians who decided to vote in the last presidential elections, it is a vindication of their choice to leave the bloodied streets of Tehran after the disputed 2009 election and instead occupy the ballot boxes in 2012. It is their prize for maintaining their faith in the limited power of their vote. Doubly so, as Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s guarded but continued support for the negotiators may be read as tacit approval for a departure from the previous presidency’s militancy. The last election, even in its limited choice of a selection, has proved useful as an opinion poll swaying the leader towards the wishes of the populace, especially those of Iran’s highly educated and aspiring youth. The Iranian electorate in the past two decades has demonstrated increasing political maturity; maybe this pragmatic wisdom is seeping upwards.

      But even as we celebrate this tentative victory, we are aware of the many obstacles that may arise over the next three months before a final agreement is made. The US congress may seem miles away from the hardliners in the Iranian Majlis, but they appear to be of the same school of thought when it comes to any change in Iran-US relations. In their shrill objections to the outlines of a possible agreement, Iran’s extreme hardliners, who thrive on their intransigent posturing against Israel, sound like an echo of their archenemy, Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu. The ground is shifting though. Many lines are being re-drawn as Zarif sets aside his signature smile to firmly quash the attacks from his fractious colleagues in the Majlis while President Obama coolly reasons Natanyahu’s demands away.

      …I recently heard a Harvard-educated friend say, “Iranians, over centuries, have opted for security over freedom.” Is that altogether a bad thing in a region going up in fire? Maybe as a nation who can trace its history back millennia, and not just centuries or decades, Iranians instinctively realise that freedom can only be achieved in times of security.

      The next phase is the Majlis elections in February 2016, when a morally bolstered electorate has the chance to vote out the hardliners. If the declaration survives the three-month incubation period to emerge as a viable agreement for all sides, Iranians will get a chance to complete their efforts to restart the wheel of reforms spinning once again.

      As any fool knows, reforms can only flourish when the economy is spinning.”

      • annie on April 9, 2015, 1:53 pm

        speaking of Mohammad Javad Zarif, is he cute or what? i’m probably not the only american woman who’s thought that — at all.

        for steve and the men who spur us on:

        Won’t Be Fooled Again

        We’ll be fighting in the streets
        With our children at our feet
        And the morals that they worship will be gone
        And the men who spurred us on
        Sit in judgement of all wrong
        They decide and the shotgun sings the song

      • just on April 9, 2015, 2:01 pm

        What’s not to like?

        Handsome, smart, sense of humor, pragmatic, incredibly well- educated, perfectly bilingual, loves his people, and people like and respect him!

        (Great response, Ms. Annie!)

      • Walid on April 9, 2015, 2:21 pm

        I don’t know about the cute part but he’s got cool Iranian collarless shirts.

    • Steve Grover on April 9, 2015, 3:31 pm

      Iran and the rest of the world would have nearly 1 million less dead people if Iran kept the old boss instead of letting the new boss come in ’79. The POTUS and SSOTUS are deaf, dumb and blind boys to Iran and they can’t even play a mean pinball.

      • annie on April 9, 2015, 3:42 pm

        the old boss? iow you’re a fan of non democratic regime change and installing puppets. iraq would have had way over a 1 million less dead had we not invaded. and we don’t have to go back over three decades either. that’s over a million dead in this century alone. you wanna repeat of that eh. so yeah i’m like so convinced you care about millions of dead muslims ~ not.

      • lysias on April 9, 2015, 5:30 pm

        So you’re blaming the Islamic Republic for the Iranian dead in the Iran-Iraq war? Funny, I thought Iraq (encouraged and supported by the U.S.) started that war with a blatant act of aggression.

        And you seem to be discounting the number of people SAVAK would have killed in the intervening years.

        What about blaming the U.S. and the UK for all the Iranians that have died violent deaths since the 1953 coup?

      • just on April 9, 2015, 6:09 pm

        “So you’re blaming the Islamic Republic for the Iranian dead in the Iran-Iraq war?”

        lysias, he’s used to blaming the victim(s).

      • Steve Grover on April 9, 2015, 6:46 pm

        Shah Mahmoud Pahlavi even with Savak, his crookedness, his torture and his murders is like Mother Teresa compared to Khomeini and the current regime. But as long as the Iranian regime hates Israel, they are cool by you.

      • Walid on April 10, 2015, 12:29 am

        “Shah Mahmoud Pahlavi even with Savak, his crookedness, his torture and his murders is like Mother Teresa compared to Khomeini and the current regime. ” (Steve Grover)

        You’ve got your torturing and murdering shahs mixed up. Mahmood spent most of his life chasing after Hollywood starlets and opium. You’re thinking of his brother, Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi, the last Shah of Iran. Ayatollah Khomeini gave the country back to the people and his actions were much closer to Mother Teresa’s than the Shah’s.

    • talknic on April 11, 2015, 12:29 pm

      @Steve Grover

      Oh yeh, them hangin’ cranes … I guess hanging trees and death cells are a US thing

      Say that is the same US that’re thinking about shootin’ people ’cause they can’t even get it together with their the death sentence drugs?

  14. joer on April 9, 2015, 3:15 pm

    I guess it looks good that Obama is belatedly commenting on the silly UN bomb cartoon now. But just think: if he would have pointed out that the emperor had no clothes in 2012, all those people who were killed last summer in Gaza may have been spared.

    • bintbiba on April 9, 2015, 4:23 pm

      Just & annie…. all the above , plus @ Walid, elegant ! : ))

      • annie on April 9, 2015, 4:33 pm

        bintbiba, smooch xx

      • bintbiba on April 9, 2015, 5:28 pm

        annie…xx. I haven’t forgotten about the Banksy “Weeping Woman” on the door…. I keep checking for new prints. … None have been forthcoming yet..
        Have you heard that the owner of the ruin on which Banksy did that beautiful piece sold it for peanuts …. poor and devastated after his house was demolished. When he found out what it is worth now, he relented and wanted it back. I don’t know what happened to it after that.

      • just on April 9, 2015, 5:30 pm


        “Palestinian police confiscated from a Gaza graffiti artist on Thursday a bombed-out doorway bearing a Banksy painting after the original owner complained of being swindled into selling it cheap.

        The artist Belal Khaled had paid 700 shekels ($175) for the image of a goddess holding her head in her hand, which had been spray-painted on Rabea Darduna’s iron-and-brick doorway as it stood among the ruins of his home, destroyed in the July-August war with Israel.

        Banksy, a British street artist famed for his ironic murals in unexpected places, visited Gaza this year and left several paintings on the outside walls of buildings, some of them ruins. His pieces regularly sell for more than $500,000.

        Khaled, 23, told Reuters that police seized the painting from his home in Khan Younis, southern Gaza. They were accompanied by Darduna, a civil servant.

        “The policemen took the door away and they told me it would be held in accordance with a court order because there was a lawsuit against me,” Khaled said. “I am the true owner of the door now, and I will seek to establish this in court.””

        more @

      • annie on April 9, 2015, 7:56 pm

        I will seek to establish this in court

        what court! the court of gaza? the pa?

    • RoHa on April 9, 2015, 7:18 pm

      “If he would have had pointed out that the emperor had no clothes in 2012, … ”

      “Would have ” in the “if” clause is wrong even if you are not a Zionist.

      And I’m not convinced they would have been spared. When the Israelis feel like killing people, there doesn’t seem much that can restrain them.

      • bintbiba on April 9, 2015, 7:31 pm

        Just…. You never cease to amaze !! Always generous and ever gracious “Just’ !
        I missed that one…as I can’t keep up with you and annie .

        Thank you so much for bringing it to our attention .

      • joer on April 10, 2015, 11:29 am

        It is obnoxious and condescending to correct grammar in a comment section-and pretty much anywhere else except an English class-even if you are not a Zionist.

      • annie on April 10, 2015, 12:59 pm

        joer, don’t take it personally, we all have to endure it. and for heavens sake don’t ever write loose if you mean lose it really sets him off. think of it as a form of tourette syndrome. and there are no loosers in this grammar thing. ;)

      • catalan on April 10, 2015, 1:30 pm

        “It is obnoxious and condescending to correct grammar in a comment section” Joer
        I don’t agree. A native English speaker needs to know how to create a conditional clause.

      • joer on April 10, 2015, 4:05 pm

        @Annie: Nonetheless, it is still obnoxious and condescending behavior, something RoHa may not be aware of. In addition, besides stifling debate, it indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of language, which is constantly evolving-or devolving, depending on your point of view because of many factors, not least of all are the users’ laziness and ignorance. If this was not the case, we would all be talking like we were out of the Canterbury Tales.

      • RoHa on April 23, 2015, 6:52 am

        It is probably obnoxious and condescending to correct other people on matters of fact, to point out their errors of logic, and to condemn their lack of moral sense, but I’m not going to stop doing that, either.

        Languages are not living things. They are abstract systems of communication. They do not evolve or devolve. They do change. When that change is an enrichment, allowing ideas to be expressed with greater precision, it is beneficial. Otherwise, change is pointless or deleterious. We do not tolerate the deleterious effects of laziness and ignorance in engineering or medicine, and nor should we tolerate them in our most important means of communication.

        Languages function because the speakers adhere to shared conventions. If an individual ignores those conventions, he ends up speaking Beelzebabble, and only James Joyce can make anything from that. If a group ignores the conventions, they will have to develop new conventions. They will have created a new language, and what is the point of that? There are too many languages, and language barriers, already.

        That is why we have to meticulously maintain every convention.

        The language I am most concerned with is English. English has become the most widely used language of the world. It is the primary means for international communication, as well as being a major language for domestic use. Educated people from all over the world use standard English to speak and write to each other and to Americans. It is a valuable instrument, and I, for one, want to keep it good working order. Even if it annoys you.

        For that reason, I intend to do my best to maintain the conventions that make English so useful.

      • gamal on April 23, 2015, 1:32 pm

        “The primary question in historical Arabic linguistics is this: How did Arabic diglossia originate and develop?”

        This is what happens when there are insufficient Rohi, is that what you want, diglossia?

        The Arabics are a linguistic chaos but… The Arab RoHa battalion (Normative Language Academics) has taken up the challenge. Violating convention would be no fun at all without stern correction. (all errors unintentional, if its error free, yay.)

        Modern Linguistic Situation in the Arabic Language

        Modern Arabic, both Standard and colloquial, is not static. The colloquials have undergone and will likely continue to undergo great change. Unfortunately, until recently they have not been closely studied, and therefore it is difficult to document any changes they may have undergone. It is easier, however, to document changes in Modern Standard Arabic.

        One on-going trend in Modern Standard Arabic is modernization. Modernization involves the creation of new terms for concepts which didnít exist in earlier times. Like many other speakers around the world, Arabic speakers are sensitive to the wholesale borrowing of words. In fact, they are perhaps more sensitive to language change because most Arabs recognize Arabic as the language of God. Such a concept doesnít accommodate language change well. As a result, normative language academies have been established in several areas throughout the Arab world including Cairo, Damascus, Baghdad, and Amman (Bakalla 11).

        The language academies try to control borrowing by creating terms for new technological entities. Their typical means for doing this include extension, calques, and a process known as Arabization. A common example of extension involves the Standard Arabic word for car, sayy_ra. This word originally meant caravan of camels but has been redefined to mean car. Calques are more obvious in such phrases as kurat al-qadam, which is literally ball of the foot or football (soccer) (Bakalla 12). Arabization, on the other hand, involves the adoption of a foreign word, but with changes which make it acceptable to Arabic morphological and phonological patterns (Bakalla 13).

        Another trend I have noticed in both personal experience and in researching is how Arabs have the expectation that the Arab world is slowly turning toward Modern Standard Arabic as its mother tongue. This trend takes two parts. In my experience, Arabs uniformly disparage the colloquial dialects they speak natively. For example, a teaching assistant in my current Arabic language class emphasizes every time she tells us a colloquial Arabic word that it is, “slang.” The other part of this phenomenon is that Arabs expect that Modern Standard Arabic is eventually going to prevail as the L1 in the Arab world. Ferguson noted this tendency when he stated there is an expectation among Arabs that Modern Standard Arabic will take over the Arab world (Myths 255). I was introduced to this idea personally in May of 1997 when, during a conversation with a taxi driver in Amman, Jordan, I was told that I needed to speak Standard Arabic. This, despite the fact, as I told him, that no one actually speaks Standard Arabic natively.”

        A Brief History of the Arabic Language

      • eljay on April 23, 2015, 2:59 pm

        || RoHa: … It is a valuable instrument, and I, for one, want to keep it good working order. … ||

        Are you sure you wouldn’t rather keep it in good working order? ;-)

      • RoHa on April 23, 2015, 7:34 pm


        Yes. Thanks.

        (I’m trying replace my gratitude with some outrage at how condescending your correction is, but with no success. Do you think Stanislavsky method would help?)

      • RoHa on April 23, 2015, 7:47 pm

        gamal, yes, thanks to MSA, a Gulfie and a Moroccan can figure out what the other is saying. The Arab RoHa battalion is doing sterling work.

        (Incidentally, “RoHi” is not the plural. Were RoHa singular, the correct Latin plural would be “RoHae” (first declension nominative), but actually “RoHa” is solidly English, and so the plural is “RoHas”.

        Do not attach “been”.)

      • gamal on April 23, 2015, 8:51 pm

        Dear Roha,

        “first declension nominative”, I can’t breath, that’s some hot shit, if I am really good, would second declension be possible.

        I was taught Latin according to the New Cambridge Method, and thus I have no grammar, in the Cambridge method there was no Dative, Genitive, it was type A, B, etc, I am thus grammatically impaired.

        As to the plural of Roha, I meant Rohae, but wrote Rohi, I blame Tolkien.

        Truth is there is something really interesting here, Roha, you are speaking in favour of the exactness of Indo-European, like the philosophical exactness and positivism of Sanskrit.

        My friend Dr. Hans-Georg Muller has another fuzzy Mandarin view

        Check it all out, you might enjoy it.

        You need to walk the line R, I am an endless source of chaos in respect of the “fact” that no one knows what Arabic means, we live in an unsolvable ambiguity, but still are lost without you. My English is nearly fluent but still my senses are incoherent (CF. van morrison)

        Jews understand me.

      • gamal on April 23, 2015, 9:16 pm

        I would like point out that while I in no way understand

        Do not attach ‘been”, interrupted education, slovenliness etc

        On your authority it will be my slogan, did I attach it? i didn’t mean to.

        A man like you should have copy of Sa’adi Youseff ( Spellchecker suggests : Sadist Houseflys) “Without an Alphabet, Without a Face” in his library

        I had no real regard for youseff, till i read his lines about an affair, he looked at the windowsill in his rented room and

        “Like a narrow bed” I’m a cheap date, he had me from then on.

      • eljay on April 24, 2015, 3:03 pm

        || RoHa: (I’m trying replace my gratitude with some outrage at how condescending your correction is, but with no success. Do you think Stanislavsky method would help?) ||

        Whatever you do, don’t try tapping into an “inner Zionist” – you’ve seen how ugly that can be and, well, I don’t want you end up like that. :-)

      • RoHa on April 25, 2015, 7:16 am

        “I blame Tolkien.”

        And so you should. It’s always a wise move.

        “Truth is there is something really interesting here, Roha, you are speaking in favour of the exactness of Indo-European, like the philosophical exactness and positivism of Sanskrit.”

        Never been convinced that Sanskrit was a suitable language for philosophy or anything else. Always admired Shankara and Co. for doing wonders with it. Mind you, they had no choice. They didn’t know English in those days.

        “My friend Dr. Hans-Georg Muller has another fuzzy Mandarin view”

        Mandarin can be as precise as English when necessary.

        Would love to read his stuff, even though I am more Confucian than Daoist, but I don’t have access to an academic library these days.

        (“RoHas” seemed to tempt “-been”, and I never was.)

  15. HarryLaw on April 9, 2015, 4:55 pm

    Kerry has the nerve to castigate Iran for “interfering” in Yemen, that is just unbelievable, The Iranians have not done anything in Yemen except call for a cease fire, followed by negotiations involving all concerned parties. Whereas the Saudis with the backing of the US, are bombing Yemen, against all norms of International Law, killing civilians and other war crimes. Yet it is all Iran’s fault. You just could not make it up. Should Iran trust the US? No way, they should assume the worst and arm themselves to the teeth. Only when the bully on the block is confronted and the consequences of the inevitable disasters in the middle east to which US policy is leading, will the US electorate reject the warmongers, Tom Cotton, McCain and the other lunatic Israeli firsters.

    • just on April 9, 2015, 5:06 pm

      Thanks for bringing this up, HarryLaw.

      This really ticks me off! (I’m being deliberately polite out of respect for MW)

      More of America’s legendary hypocrisy and hubris on display @ EXACTLY the wrong time. Who supplied the planes and bombs that are raining down on Yemen?

      ( not that there’s any right time for it, but puh- leeze!)

      • lysias on April 9, 2015, 5:27 pm

        Support for the attack on Yemen may have been the quid pro quo that Saudi extracted in return for their (lukewarm) approval of the Iranian framework.

      • HarryLaw on April 10, 2015, 4:36 am

        “We are well aware of the support Iran has been giving Yemen,” Kerry said. “Iran needs to recognize that the U.S. is not going to stand by while the region is destabilized or while people engage in overt warfare across lines — international boundaries — in other countries.”
        Kerry is out of his mind. What must other countries think of him? No wonder Russia and China are making their own trade and financial arrangements with the other BRICS. It is a fact that International law no longer exists, if the US have a problem they no longer go to the UNSC. They have workarounds, economic sanctions, threats if they don’t work, send in the marines. they even back so called “Good terrorists” provided they attack the countries who are not willing to be vassals of the US. US foreign policy is creating wars all over, with no end in sight. When will the US electorate rise up?

      • lysias on April 10, 2015, 5:43 pm

        I also wonder if the sanctions against Venezuela, which White House spokesman Ben Rhodes has admitted lack legal basis, because Venezuela does not in fact present the national security threat that the law requires before sanctions can be imposed, were the quid pro quo that the national security state demanded before Obama could normalize relations with Cuba.

      • lysias on April 13, 2015, 4:46 pm

        Apparently the Obama administration thinks that Venezuela should be satisfied because first Ben Rhodes, and then over this past weekend Obama himself, have said that Venezuela does not present a national security threat. But they have not retracted the sanctions against Venezuela. Is it or is it not required under Act of Congress that there must be a national security threat certified before sanctions of this sort can be imposed (that is what I originally understood the administration said by way of explaining the wording of the executive order)? Have they gotten so transparent in their cynicism about maintaining — or at least appearing to maintain — the rule of law?

  16. michelle on April 10, 2015, 6:47 am

    seems like America as well as Israel should
    stop micromanaging other countries
    maybe the U.N. can ‘ground’ them for a year
    no friends no phone no internet
    G-d Bless

  17. seafoid on April 10, 2015, 10:34 am

    Patti Smith

    At heart, I am a Muslim,
    At heart, I am an American,
    At heart, I am a Muslim,
    At heart, I am an American artist,
    And I have no guilt…

    Zionism is a cheap knockoff of Judaism

  18. shalom on April 10, 2015, 3:41 pm

    The 100.000 missiles that Iran gave to Hezbollah are not for fun. The intercontinental ballistic missiles that Iran is testing are not for fun. The weapons that Iran gave the Houthis are not for fun. The uranium and plutonium that Iran is producing in Fordo, Arak, Natanz, Isfahan and Bushehr is not for fun. And neither is the Parchin Military Site that was left unmentioned in the US version of the Framework. The question one might ask Anne is whether Netanyahu is paranoid if the Iranian leadership repeatedly threatens to destroy Israel? “The goal of Israel’s destruction is non-negotiable,” Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Naqdi, head of Iran’s volunteer Basij Force, said during a recent conference. The Basij Force is a part of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps.

    • annie on April 10, 2015, 7:09 pm

      The weapons that Iran gave the Houthis are not for fun.

      link please. where’s you evidence iran is supplying weapons to the houthis

      The 100.000 missiles that Iran gave to Hezbollah are not for fun.

      nor are the weapons we give israel. i don’t see israel turning them down. of course it would be so much more effective if the lebanese could be as easily slaughtered as gazans with no effective weapons, but alas that’s not the real world.

      The question one might ask Anne is whether Netanyahu is paranoid if the Iranian leadership repeatedly threatens to destroy Israel?

      maybe a tenth of the time israel threatens iran. if anything iran has way more reason to be paranoid than netanyahu, since he’s already got a nuke and the backing of the US is israel’s ever attacked.

      iran doesn’t even have a nuclear weapons program. so i think netanyahu is a bloviator. i don’t even believe he’s paranoid of israel being attacked. i think he wants israel to remain the regional dominator to he can continue threatening w/muscle and no retribution. he doesn’t want to lose power (most war mongers don’t want to lose power, that’s normal)

      as any fool knows by now: daniella plekta VP of the infamous neocon American Enterprise Institute

      The biggest problem … is not Iran getting a nuclear weapon and testing it, it’s Iran getting a nuclear weapon and not using it. Because the second that they have one and they don’t do anything bad, all of the naysayers are going to come back and say, “See, we told you Iran is a responsible power. We told you that Iran wasn’t getting nuclear weapons in order to use them immediately…” And they will eventually define Iran with nuclear weapons as not a problem. – See more at:

      “The goal of Israel’s destruction is non-negotiable,” Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Naqdi, head of Iran’s volunteer Basij Force, said during a recent conference. The Basij Force is a part of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps.

      you can hump this quote til kingdom kome for all i care. and can you please link to the initial report of him saying it, preferably in farsi. i keep asking people to do that but no one has yet. thanks.

  19. just on April 11, 2015, 8:58 am

    Gideon Levy:

    “The top headline of Haaretz in Hebrew on Tuesday should have reverberated in Washington and shocked America. It also should have worried many Israelis. One day it might even be taught in history class in our schools, marking the time that Israel crossed all of the red lines. A headline is only a headline, but in this instance nothing could better reflect the level of distortion that has been reached in relations between the two world powers: the one that has been revealed as being genuine, Israel, and the one that seems to be increasingly bogus and ridiculous, the United States.

    If America’s elected representatives had any self-respect and sensitivity to their country’s democracy, they should have taken immediate action to put an end to this farce. It’s bad for America and its democracy and it’s bad for Israel. The farce has reached its nadir. It will end in an explosive break in relations between the countries, and Israel will pay the price for its arrogance.

    “Israel to pressure Congress to thwart Iranian nuclear deal” ran the headline in the English-language print edition. Haaretz …..quoted an unnamed senior Israeli official as saying that Israel “will lobby the U.S. Congress to pass legislation that would make it difficult, or even impossible, to approve a comprehensive deal with Iran.”

    The brain refuses to believe what the eyes read: Israel will push Congress to pass a bill, Israel will lobby the Congress. It’s enough to imagine the reverse headline — America will push the Knesset to pass a bill — and the scandal it would ignite. But gods may do what cattle may not, and Israel may certainly do what America may not.

    The most astonishing thing about the whole story is that the headline passed as if it never were: The distortion has become an accepted norm, the chutzpah correctness, the megalomania proportionality. Even wealthy Jews, first among them Sheldon Adelson, of course, pitched in: They are greasing the palms of congressional representatives with hundreds of millions of dollars, as revealed by The New York Times, so that they will vote against the agreement — and that too slides by in America, to hell with democracy or national interests.

    The foreign ministers of all the world powers reached understandings with Iran, in advance of a final agreement. No country objected, save for Israel. Of course it has the right to disagree, to oppose, to fight, to try to persuade or change. But it has no right to undermine sovereign decisions. The United States, which knows a thing or two about undermining governments, should have been the first to recognize that a foreign state was trying to subvert its elected institutions.

    Israeli interference in Washington is not new, but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has brought it to unimaginable dimensions. Netanyahu? No. Sole responsibility lies with the enablers, U.S. elected officials. President Barack Obama, ostensibly the most powerful and influential man in the world, now looks like someone whose world has crashed around him: Israel opposes the agreement. In embarrassing interviews, he gives groveling a bad name. He promises Israel the sky, if only it will be satisfied. He is somber-faced, insulted by the insinuation that he would dare to criticize Israel. In a press conference after the agreement was reached, Obama breezily named the partner states — China, Russia, Germany, Britain and France — before moving on and then moved on to what was really important, Netanyahu’s position. Obama hasn’t learned a thing: After six years of carrots and sucking up that achieved nothing except for Israel’s persistent, blatant contempt for all his positions and requests, Obama steers the same course, while the only tack to take toward Israel is the opposite tack.

    Israel hath roared, who will not fear? To Israeli ears, it might sound like proof of its might. But these fake or power-drunk thugs always come to a bad end: One day someone is bound to rip off their masks — and take revenge.”

  20. michelle on April 11, 2015, 8:06 pm

    is it time yet?
    congress needs the ‘dear john’ letter from the American people who are being cheated on
    America needs to tell Israel that we need to start seeing other countries
    we can’t be bffs any more
    it’s not you it’s ‘me’
    sometime countries just grow apart
    it’s what’s best for the ‘kids’
    G-d Bless

    • just on April 11, 2015, 8:15 pm

      lol, michelle.

      Seriously, though~ you’re spot- on!

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