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‘NYT’ again acts as Netanyahu’s mouthpiece — wrongly suggesting he wants talks with Palestinians

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The New York Times is once again serving as a mouthpiece for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. An article today titled “Netanyahu Wants Talks With Palestinians on Settlements, Officials Say” takes seriously an insincere effort to start talks that Netanyahu has made only so as to reduce world pressure.

Jerusalem bureau chief Jodi Rudoren credits the Israeli view that “the Palestinians are not with us at the table,” and that Netanyahu is being very reasonable.

[H]e could be signaling a new willingness to distinguish between the so-called settlement blocs that many international experts expect to remain in place and the far-flung communities they see as making a Palestinian state impossible — and, potentially, to freeze construction outside the blocs.

Wait a second. Who are these “many international experts” who endorse an idea that boils down to I stole from you and now we’re going to talk about how much of what I stole I’m keeping? Are they paid Mafia ideologists?

And are there many experts — really? Name them. I bet none of them are Palestinians, the people whose land was stolen.

The second offense here is the implicit understanding that there will be land swaps to even things out. If the Times‘s “many international experts” believe that these big settlement blocs are going to become a part of Israel, then they surely have drawn borders for land swaps of Israeli territory. Do they want to give the Palestinians portions of the desert? Do they want to award Palestine sections of the Galilee populated by Israeli Palestinians, transferring those people’s sovereignty (in another violation of international law)?

Or maybe they have something bolder in mind. Maybe those “many international experts” want to give Palestine Jaffa back, or Haifa, and create a corridor to the sea? Maybe they want to speckle Israel with Palestinian territory, the way Palestine is speckled with settlements?

If Rudoren’s “many international experts” really have the solution, the Times needs to show us the maps.

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  1. John O
    John O
    May 27, 2015, 1:35 pm

    Can you please stop reproducing that scary photo of Rudoren. You could use this as a substitute: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medusa_%28Caravaggio%29

    • Krauss
      Krauss
      May 27, 2015, 1:52 pm

      There’s a lot that is wrong with her racist coverage but by debasing yourself to attacking her looks you’re only exposing your own low level.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        May 28, 2015, 3:18 am

        Yeah, the one on the article is the best she can do, no need to try more lipstick. What you don’t get, Krauss, is that arguing on the merits is only one part of the battle. Attacking the person qua person should never stand on its own but it never hurts.
        So yes, she looks like what she does.

    • pabelmont
      pabelmont
      May 27, 2015, 1:55 pm

      Friend of mine wants Elizabeth Warren to run for president, because, he says, he dearly wants a woman to run. (He conveniently forgot the Republican, Carly Fiorina, a business success, who also has a photo: http://www.politics1.com/pix2/CFiorina.jpg ),

      • lysias
        lysias
        May 27, 2015, 2:07 pm

        I voted for Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, in 2012. Her Wikipedia entry says she has already formed an exploratory committee for running again as that party’s candidate in 2016.

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      May 27, 2015, 11:50 pm

      RE: “Can you please stop reproducing that scary photo of Rudoren. You could use this as a substitute” ~ John O

      MY COMMENT: I resent that! ~ http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jlewisdickerson

      P.S. That’s a nice enough photo of Rudoren, but like they say, “variety is the spice of life”!

  2. Krauss
    Krauss
    May 27, 2015, 1:55 pm

    Israel can’t really complain about propaganda anymore. They have the NYT in the tank and these people are the real pros.

    So I guess we’ll see the hypothesis being borne out: can you really fix a problem that is about substance(Apartheid policies) with a PR solution, even if you have some of the best writers working as free hasbara agents(which Rudoren at this point is)?

    I’m guessing no, you can’t fundamentally do that. But having really skilled shills like Rudoren will surely delay that inevitable transformation in the world arena. And she’s keeping at it with all her might. The Times is the Israeli propaganda central #1 these days.

    And they’re doing this for free, out of conviction, out of ideology and yes, ethnic tribal loyalty, too.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      May 28, 2015, 3:20 am

      For free? Not so sure.
      Their policies in those last years haven’t been very smart; they may well be losing money and making up thanks to Zionism.

  3. Boomer
    Boomer
    May 27, 2015, 2:19 pm

    I’m not a lawyer, but as a layman I’ve never been impressed by the moral or legal authority of the UN to partition Palestine after WWII, especially considering how it was dominated by the U.S. and colonial powers. Regarding the law, I defer to the many here, such as Hostage, with more expertise than I. Still, it was done, and has consequences. I don’t know whether one state or two is the more feasible route to an equitable solution now, but if one wants two states, this seems to me like the logical map:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    • Eva Smagacz
      Eva Smagacz
      May 27, 2015, 7:35 pm

      I agree – I don’t believe UN had right to create Israel without explicit agreement of native population.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      May 28, 2015, 9:58 am

      While better than the 2 state map we have now…geographically speaking…how is such a division sustainable? Still 3 isolated sections with check points. Plus, both parties hold pieces of the north? Recipe for friction.

  4. Blownaway
    Blownaway
    May 27, 2015, 3:22 pm

    Interesting that there is no comment section for this tripe. I guess Ms Ruderons sensibilities get hurt be readers factual rebuttals

    • May 28, 2015, 10:26 am

      “Interesting that there is no comment section for this tripe. I guess Ms Ruderons sensibilities get hurt be readers factual rebuttals ”

      Yes. We have all seen that making pro Israel students and pro Israel columnists uncomfortable must be avoided no matter what the cost to everyone else.

  5. annie
    annie
    May 27, 2015, 3:43 pm

    after the last ‘framewrok negotiations’ ended i wrote a post called ‘it’s the borders stupid’ http://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/the-borders-stupid

    Does anyone recall how the last round of “talks” torpedoed? Israel didn’t want to submit proposals for borders. Back in 2011 when the Quartet, the United Nations, the United States, the European Union and Russia, requested that both parties submit comprehensive proposals on territory and security  for two states, Netanyahu balked and stated such proposals should be presented in direct negotiations and not before. And our very own State Department backed up Netanyahu in staving off this demand from the Quartet, echoing in agreement with a mantra we heard repeatedly. Remember Victoria Nuland reiterating that the best way to deal with this issue “is for these parties to talk to each other, come up with borders.”

    And then, they got together and predictably no proposal from Israel was forthcoming.

    if netanyahu were serious he doesn’t need palestinians to put forward a proposal. the nyt knows this. everyone knows this.

  6. Kay24
    Kay24
    May 27, 2015, 6:52 pm

    Another Israeli war deliberately being planned perhaps for the summer, to sabotage Obama’s deal with Iran….this time it is not with Hamas but with Hezbollah. They have already started making noises about Hezbollah arming themselves, the usual laying of the groundwork.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/trita-parsi/iran-talks-israel-hezbollah_b_7451940.html

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      May 28, 2015, 9:02 am

      Yep.
      A rocket or two is already flying…launched by persons unknown…but condemned by Hamas. Background: IDF captures guy and puts his nuts in a jar on a shelf…where there are other jars. IDF says to the guy: we want you and these other guys to do us a favor. When you do it…we’ll give you the jars.

  7. ET
    ET
    May 28, 2015, 1:35 am

    I Bush43 Adminstration letter to Sharon that State of Israel could keep settlement blocks is not International Law:
    1 That letter is evidence of c-conspiracy to commit Laws of Armed Conflict [LOAC] Principles of Nuremberg, Principle VI
    1.1 (c) Crimes Against Humanity of political persecution of dispossession of UNGA 181 National Rights in connexion with
    1.2 (a) Crimes Against Peace of non-compliance with UNSC 242, a UN Charter Chapter VII Article 39 Israeli breach of 1949 Armistice Peace;
    1.3 or (b) war Crimes of I-973 (iv) Geneva Convention Article 49 transfer of Israeli Citizenry into occupied UNGA 181 State of Palestine West Bank Territory

    II Those anonymous “International law experts” are none other than State of Israel Foreign Ministry Hasbara Department of propagated falsehoods who are graduates of Professor Tim Benton’s Middle East School for Dumbf*cks.

    1. Relevant International Law Documents with foreword:
    1.1 Documents are at comment section

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=791697980920005&set=a.515760255180447.1073741837.100002394314450&type=3&theater

    I

    • ET
      ET
      May 28, 2015, 1:43 am

      III MANCAT position:
      Section I
      MANCAT David’s Arm Rocket Defense [DARD] R &D Rocket hit UNGA 181 State of Palestine Territory:
      1 Ashdod is A/RES/67/19 UNGA 181 State of Palestine territory as defined in UNGA 181 Part II Boundaries A. Arab State territory
      2 Ashdod is NOT State of Israel territory as defined in UNGA 181 Part II Boundaries B Jewish State .
      2.1 Regardless, that Ashdod has been under State of Israel occupation since 1949
      2.2 Occupation does not equal that State of Israel has acquired sovereignty of UNGA 181 State of Palestine North Gaza Territory which is an ABSURDITY.

      Section II.
      .Okal’s analyst & assessments are dumbfuckery:
      Part A. “‘Weakening’ the Palestinian Resistance”
      1 1987 1st Intifada: Palestinian rocks VS Israeli Police, Border Guards

      2 2000-2005 2nd Intifada: Individual faction/’fighters Palestinian Small arms VS IDF Regular Combat Troops

      3 2008: Palestinian Small Arms, RPGs, & Organized Militia of
      two month old MANCAT VS IDF Mechanized Armour & IDF Air Force

      4 2012: Palestinian tactical Rrockets, Regular Ground Forces of four year old MANCAT VS IDF Air Force

      5 2014 Palestinian strategic rockets, Special Forces, & Ground Forces Command of six year old MANCAT VS IDF Ground Forces, Mechanized Armour & IDF Air Force

      Part B. Factional ‘divisions’
      1 Only division between “the factions” is that MANCAT union does not include Abbas PA GI & PG Commanders because they are collaborators

      PH “Okal said it was likely that Israel intends on disarming and weakening the resistance, as well as deepening the divisions between Palestinian factions.”

      link to english.pnn.ps

      – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/netanyahus-mouthpiece-palestinians/comment-page-1#comment-770709

    • ET
      ET
      May 28, 2015, 1:44 am

      Part IV

      Laws of Nations & Humanity

      ET
      DC_JCOS
      Militia & National Command Authority [MANCAT]
      UNGA 181 State of Palestine

      http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/04/palestinian-resistance-view/

  8. oldgeezer
    oldgeezer
    May 28, 2015, 2:32 am

    I do believe Netanyahu is sincere in his desire for talks. The zionist mob, and I don’t use that word to denote a group of people but a criminal enterprise, have been hell bent on delegitimizing the state of Israel since the early days of Sharon. Nutty, regardless of his psycopathic and sociopathic tendancies, does have enough functioning brain cells to realize the boundaries have been pushed too far and the consequences of their crimes are avout to become due. His cabinet, not so much.

    He needs to seek a way to legitimize ongoing theft amd oppression at least to the extent insincere propaganda can be generated. It is a no lode situation in his view. If the Paleztinians refuse he can point and say he is trying nut they refuse. If they agree he will toss in new demands or merely rely on the excuse that we are talking about it.

    Like most zionistz he is a criminal and racist supremacist at heart. I cant remember who but someone tried to make a distinction between zionists and right wing zionists while admitting the treatment of Palestinians has been no better and often worse under the left wing.

    Zioism grew in the same period as the Kkk/white supremacist movement along with nazism and other foul supremacist beliefs. While methods used may or may not differ the ideology is the same. Their ovrt concerns with misceganayion. The world would be vastly better.place if they had died along with the racist beliefs in the mid 1900s

    Negotiations udually involve give and take. In true Israeli fashion nothing is offered. They want to talk, but only talk, about the extent of their crimes agaisnt humanity the Palestinians will overlòk

    Israel is a blight unto nations.

    Yes his request is sincere. His motives criminal. A war criminal like the GoI is not going to change it’s spots. We will see a better world when they are reviled and consigned to a tiny cell. Even that wouldnt satisy justice

    So yes he is sincere

  9. eusebio
    eusebio
    May 28, 2015, 8:54 am

    Diplomacy the peace and stability in Palestine and Israel and advances human rights

  10. hophmi
    hophmi
    May 28, 2015, 9:38 am

    “I bet none of them are Palestinians”

    I bet many of them are, since every negotiation the Palestinians have been involved in with the Israelis for the last 20 years has included discussion about land swaps for the settlements blocs, including the 2008 negotiations between Olmert and Abbas. You’re not fooling anyone with your rhetoric, James.

    • justicewillprevail
      justicewillprevail
      May 28, 2015, 2:12 pm

      Well he’s fooled you, hasn’t he? since you are apparently incapable of reading the piece and understanding the difference between so-called self-appointed ‘international experts’ referred to by the risible Rudoren, and people involved in negotiations.

    • Boo
      Boo
      May 28, 2015, 3:32 pm

      Hophmi:

      When I was growing up in Hawai`i there were innumerable TV commercials over many years for a certain furniture store. The commercials changed many, many times but always had a singular ending: A cut to a shot of the owner’s wife — a plump, bucolic local girl — standing next to a simplified map and holding a pointer. She’d point it at a big, brightly labeled red dot in the middle of the map and declare cheerfully:

      “I’m Nadine, and heeeeeere’s the map!”

      A whole generation of us grew up hearing that line day in and day out.

      How many generations of Palestinian kids will grow up without ever seeing a Nadine Netanyahu or her equivalent? How many will go to sleep every night wondering “Wheeeeeeere’s the map!”?

      • catalan
        catalan
        May 28, 2015, 4:58 pm

        “How many generations of Palestinian kids will grow up without ever seeing a Nadine Netanyahu or her equivalent?” Bornajoo
        Well you like to make predictions, e.g. we are winning they are losing etc. How many generations do you think?

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        May 29, 2015, 9:52 am

        Boo : “How many generations of Palestinian kids will grow up without ever seeing…. ”

        How many Palestinian kids will live to grow up?

        Froggy, just thinking out loud

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        May 29, 2015, 10:45 am

        Fact to ponder:
        Average age in Israel is 30. Average age in Gaza is 18.

  11. JohndeClefPineiro
    JohndeClefPineiro
    May 28, 2015, 12:02 pm

    The echo chamber is clanging again. Don’t you hear it? Isn’t what we hear actually coming from the New Yisrael Times?

    Perhaps ever since well before the “yellow journalism” of the Hearst publishing empire, we the people have been a captive audience of the editorial biases of owners of the private press. The plethora of private blogging in our own day may be said to only muddle the waters further, even though some, like Mondoweiss, make a courageous attempt to demystify the “authoritative” but otherwise tendentious spin that officially occupies major media attention.

    I want to take this opportunity to thank this publication for providing an oasis of critical clarity amid the dust and sand of the Negev that surrounds us 24/7/365.

  12. James Canning
    James Canning
    May 28, 2015, 4:33 pm

    Netanyahu obviously wants to continue to grow many of the illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank, and the NYT apparently wants to help him get on with it.

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