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The Israeli soldiers’ testimonies from the Gaza onslaught of last summer compiled by the veterans group Breaking the Silence — called, “This is How We Fought in Gaza” — includes a remarkable number of statements about shitting. The soldiers were occupying Palestinian homes, and often defiling them, sometimes destroying the houses later. And they had different protocols about how to relieve themselves and get rid of the waste. Here are five accounts:

First sergeant, engineering, Gaza City:

We would go in ‘wet’ (using live fire). I could hear the shooting, everything was done ‘wet.’ When we entered this house everything inside it was already a mess. Anything that could shatter had been shattered, because everything had been shot at. Anything made of glass – windows, a glass table, picture frames – it was all wrecked. All the beds were turned over, the rugs, the mattresses. Soldiers would take a rug to sleep on, a mattress, a pillow. There was no water, so you couldn’t use the toilet. So we would shit in their bathtub.

First sergeant, infantry, northern Gaza:

You enter ‘wet’ (using live fire) or ‘dry’ (using no fire)?
Sometimes this way, sometimes that way, it depends on the mood. The house is ‘sterilized,’ we yell, “Sterilized, sterilized” to each other. We went into a house that was a candy shop once. There was candy everywhere. We just shoved everything aside.
You didn’t eat any?
No, first of all because it wasn’t especially tasty candy and also because during the first few days we were still in the ‘no touching’ phase, being moral and all that. Later we would laugh about it more: “We’re blowing up this house, but we can’t eat this bag of Bamba (peanut butter snacks)?” …
What did the house look like after 30 soldiers were in it for three days?
It looked pretty bad, first because lots of things were blown up inside and also because no one cared. You smoke inside the house and then toss the butts inside the house. You throw your trash inside the house, no one cares. Our medic was a reservist doctor and it was really important to him that we be orderly and throw our trash in a bin and not shit inside the house – a hygiene thing, mostly. Pretty soon people did start getting diarrhea and lots of soldiers were evacuated because they felt really bad and had the runs. Toilets didn’t work because there was no water, and pretty soon they were overflowing. They told us, “Don’t shit in the bathroom because it’ll get clogged and it’ll be awful.” So we would shit in plastic bags and chuck them out the window. The first few days it was really ugly and then it got a bit better. But it looks bad, first because you do everything quickly and you don’t care – and also because your security is top priority, it justifies everything

First sergeant, Infantry, Khan Yunis:

What did the house look like?
A single-family Arab house, one for which construction hadn’t been completely finished. You could tell people had fled from the house – there were beds, mattresses, furniture. Outside every house we were in there were ducks, goats, donkeys, dogs. Every house we got to we would immediately go to the animals and make holes in their cages for them so they could escape…

How many soldiers were you?
We were a platoon of 13, 14. The Arabs, they have tons of mattresses and pillows in every house. To rest you use either the beds, or those mattresses, or the floor, what can you do. We messed up in the first and second houses – the explosives were placed on the concrete right by a pipe. When it was detonated the entire sewage system blew up, the place reeked. When you arrive [at a house] the officer comes over and sets rules: where to shit, where to piss. Whether or not you’re allowed to go out for a second to take a piss. If we were on the ground floor of the house and it was possible, we would go out and make a ‘crap chair.’ We would make holes in a chair and take it outside, and whoever had to shit would go out with a helmet on, armed and with a bulletproof vest. The guy next to him would go out with all the equipment and a combat vest, and they would walk four or five meters from the house, and he would sit there and shit while another soldier covered for him. If it was a multi-story building we would allocate a room for shitting.

On the floor?

No, in pots. You shit into the pot and and then throw it out with the pot. But afterwards we would take a pot, put a shirt in it and shit into that.

A shirt from a closet in the house?

Yeah. And then you use the shirt like a pooper scooper and throw it out the window, and the pot stays.

Was there anything left in the closet after 14 guys were in the house?

Sometimes. Sometimes

First sergeant, Infantry, northern Gaza

[T]he moral aspect [was] – that we need to try and return the house to its former state, as much as possible. When we left [the Gaza Strip], most of the houses we had stayed in were blown up, so it’s kind of funny… But the way we treated all the following houses was different. It becomes clear that you don’t have it in you to deal with this – not emotionally, not physically. You don’t have the patience to keep a house clean. It was a dilemma, when we entered houses. There’s one image that’s burned into my memory. There was a house that we entered, which we stayed in for a very long time – we had taken to sitting on the couches – and if the floor got wet we tore off a piece of mattress to wipe it up with. In the end, one thing that was very dangerous was the illnesses. We used whatever we had around in the house. At a certain point you have to go to the bathroom.

Did you use the bathrooms in the houses?

Yes. You use a plastic bag and then throw it out. But when you wake up in the middle of the night you’re a little more disrespectful – when it comes down to it, it’s a difficult situation emotionally, and you don’t have the emotional energy – especially when it comes to your most basic needs: peeing, shitting, and eating. So sometimes you find yourself peeing in a toilet that you know is getting flooded, and whoever comes back to that house will have a very hard time getting the place back to the way it was.

First sergeant, infantry, northern Gaza:

I’m thinking about that poor family whose rooftop was turned into a public bathroom by the entire company, what an awful thing.

What’s this story?

At some point you need to take a crap, and at first we weren’t given the bags one stashes in one’s helmets, which are really uncomfortable, so one of the guys found a plastic chair, a simple classroom one, and unscrewed its seat, and that chair was moved from one shaded place to another shaded place. The entire battalion had diarrhea and was throwing up. How awful, I thought, it would be to come back home and discover your bathroom is clogged and half the pots in your kitchen have shit in them. Your entire roof is covered in shit, and there’s shit in your garden.

People shat in pots?

Yes. There were lots of disputes among the commanders about this. At a certain point we entered a house that had working cooking gas. First thing everyone thought was, ‘Let’s make ourselves some coffee.’ So then there was a very, very heated argument among the company commanders over whether it was legitimate or not to use it. There were some commanders who thought it was legitimate to use their coffee pot if we washed it afterwards. ‘I made a hole in their wall and floor, so what, I’m not going to make some coffee in their pot?’

So did you make coffee?

Yeah, and it was tasty. But the shitting in pots bit was very clear to everyone. There were some assholes who were just like, “What, I don’t like shitting in a helmet.” So they just shat in pots. There were very few houses that had running water in them, and in most houses there, what you have are squat toilets. But once in a while you would get to a house with a real [seated] toilet, which is a whole other world, proper hospitality… There was no running water the entire time we were in Beit Hanoun. There were some houses where I think the residents had prepared for the situation in advance – bathtubs filled with water and all kinds of things like that. The residents there saved up water because they knew what was coming. But in most houses the sewage system didn’t work and it usually overflowed very quickly. When you shit in the toilet it stays there, the water doesn’t go down. That’s on the one hand. But then on the other, if there is a toilet there – why shouldn’t I shit in it? So the simple soldiers, like good soldiers, found the ‘middle path’ themselves; they got their hands on some laundry detergent and whoever finished taking a dump would throw a handful on it. Eventually I figured out that there are some battles where it’s you fighting a wall. You need to decide where you’re going to invest your energy, with regard to discipline. Successfully upholding a routine of discipline within the platoon, while in a combat situation, is a very difficult, complicated thing. It was clear to me that I couldn’t win everything. If I wasn’t going to discipline soldiers, then besides creating a bad atmosphere and frustration for both them and me, I wouldn’t get much accomplished. So I would tell them my opinion, and explain what I thought wasn’t OK, and ultimately I let each man decide for himself, whether he sees it as OK or not. I know there was one platoon where everyone – from the commander all the way down – took dumps in pots, out of some kind of operational principle. Whatever.

PS. The report has gotten wide coverage, even in the Washington Post, because soldiers said that they would shoot at anybody in zones they occupied and fire shells indiscriminately in those areas. “Kill Anything,” on Democracy Now! today. But everyone is waiting for the New York Times. So far, no report. As Peter Feld has commented on Twitter:

News of IDF Gaza atrocity confessions: Fit to print for the @NYTimes of Israel, but not the NYT of New York. [Link to Haaretz]

Explosive Israeli soldier #warcrimes testimony in BBC, Guardian, Telegraph, Haaretz, WaPo but not @rudoren’s @nytimes [Link to Guardian]

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  1. John O
    John O
    May 6, 2015, 12:33 pm

    When I was a student, over 40 years ago, the caretaker in the house I lodged in had been a British soldier advancing into Germany in 1945. Somehow, what he told me over a cup of tea one day has always stuck in my mind: “They had dimmer switches on their light fittings; half the people I knew didn’t even have electricity.” He could see that the people he was conquering were, well, people. Perhaps I should have asked him where he shat.

    • catalan
      catalan
      May 6, 2015, 1:00 pm

      “He could see that the people he was conquering were, well, people”. – John O.
      Well, it is because Brits are generally decent people, unlike Zionists. It has to do with that Nordic heritage. Witness the basic humanity shown towards their Hindu brethren. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943.

      • John O
        John O
        May 6, 2015, 1:18 pm

        I was talking about the humane reaction of one man to the situation he found himself in. You, on the other hand, damn all Brits for the wrong actions of their government 72 years ago. Your comments are racist.

      • catalan
        catalan
        May 6, 2015, 1:34 pm

        “Your comments are racist.” John O
        You gotta love that victimization spiel. You dish it out daily on Israel and Jews, but you can’t take it. Oh the poor poor Brits they are so humane. Laughing.

      • amigo
        amigo
        May 6, 2015, 3:05 pm

        catalan , do you have a comment on the behaviour of members of the most moral in the world.

        Or are you shit out of words.

      • just
        just
        May 6, 2015, 3:13 pm

        Nah, amigo.

        The supporters of the IOF will only continue to support the fecal smearing on and of Palestinians that their goons started.

      • catalan
        catalan
        May 6, 2015, 3:26 pm

        “Or are you shit out of words.” amigo
        I am. Comparing Jews to Irish is like Denny’s to Chez Pierre. Ireland is like Athens in the golden age. A beacon to us all, closer to the heavens. I am sure if Irish soldiers go fighting, it will be with the grace of the Bolshoi ballet. You are no mere Khazars. Hey, you have given us old Bill, this modern day Chandragupta. And Joyce!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 6, 2015, 3:57 pm

        “Comparing Jews to Irish”

        “Catalan” I have heard many times, and from Irish people, too, that Irish people descend from one of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.
        So be careful what you say. You know how I am about the TU! I will always defend it.

      • Keith
        Keith
        May 6, 2015, 5:57 pm

        CATALAN- “Witness the basic humanity shown towards their Hindu brethren.”

        As I mentioned in a recent comment of mine, for the past 500 years, the “Christian” nations have been the most violent and bloody by far, hardly in a position to condemn “Muslim” violence. Of course, this violence is caused by the elite struggle for power and has little to do with specific religious ideology, although this religious ideology may provide a pretext for imperial power seeking. All empires are brutal, including ours. So, regardless of your motivations, reminding people of the consequences of Western imperialism is a good thing. Also, Israel is an integral part of empire and could not do what it is currently doing without imperial support. There are multiple reasons for this support, however, the Israel Lobby is a critical factor.

      • amigo
        amigo
        May 6, 2015, 6:23 pm

        “I am. Comparing Jews to Irish is like Denny’s to Chez Pierre. Ireland is like Athens in the golden age. A beacon to us all, closer to the heavens. I am sure if Irish soldiers go fighting, it will be with the grace of the Bolshoi ballet.”catalan.

        Irish soldiers will not be going to war to steal or shit in someone else’s pot.

        “You are no mere Khazars”

        Last I heard , Jews are actually Khazars.

        For a highly educated chappie , you sure talk a whole lot of crap.Now let me ask again??. Do you have any comments on idfr,s acting like untrained animals.

        Now shit or get off the pot.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        Stephen Shenfield
        May 6, 2015, 6:51 pm

        catalan: “Witness the basic humanity shown [by the Brits] towards their Hindu brethren.”

        Like at Amritsar?

      • lysias
        lysias
        May 6, 2015, 7:02 pm

        Even more recent than Amritsar was the Bengali famine of 1942-3, which killed millions.

        And more recent than that was the division into India and Pakistan, as a result of British divide-and-conquer policies. Brits like Churchill originally hoped to use that division to perpetuate British rule, but, when that proved impossible, they settled for a division in which they could still station troops in the new Pakistan. The breakup of India also killed millions. And it may eventually end up doing worse, if the hostility between India and Pakistan leads to nuclear war.

      • catalan
        catalan
        May 6, 2015, 8:01 pm

        “Irish soldiers will not be going to war to steal or shit in someone else’s pot.” Amigo
        Yes, the IRA has always been mindful of civilians, legendarily so. A gentle group, that one, wouldn’t be caught shitting in the wrong pot.
        Also, as far as the Brits, I was sarcastic. I was referring to the Bengali famine, which was only the latest in an endless string of horrors and deprivations unleashed on one of the world’s oldest civilizations.

      • gamal
        gamal
        May 6, 2015, 8:58 pm

        “Yes, the IRA has always been mindful of civilians, legendarily so”

        The IRA are not Irish Soldiers, relying on a superficial largely MSM semi-sensate reading of things leads to idiocy like the above

        lets check some figures between 1969 and 1998

        all combined Republicans paramilitaries are responsible for 2060 killed

        727 Civilians
        1080 British Security Forces
        187 Republican paramilitaries (inclusive of accidents, informers and feuds)
        56 Loyalist paramilitaries.
        10 Irish security.

        35% civilian

        of which the Provisional IRA caused 1711 deaths

        512 Civilians
        1012 British Security Forces
        141 Republican paramilitaries
        39 Loyalist Paramiltaries
        7 Irish security

        29.9% civilian

        Loyalist paramilitaries killed 1016 people during the Troubles:

        868 Civilians
        14 British Security
        41 Republican paramilitaries.
        93 Loyalist paramilitaries (mostly feuds, some accidents)

        85.43% of people killed by Loyalists were civilians. 4.7% of the people killed by Loyalists were Republican paramilitaries. That figure includes Republicans who were ex-paramilitaries. Loyalists killed more civilians then anyone during the Troubles.

        The Loyalists and British Security Forces combined killed 1055 civilians during the Troubles. That’s 328 more civilians then all Republican groups combined and more then double the number civilians who were killed by the PIRA.

        “Also, as far as the Brits, I was sarcastic. I was referring to the Bengali famine, which was only the latest in an endless string of horrors and deprivations unleashed on one of the world’s oldest civilizations”

        The same bastards established Zionism in Palestine and destroyed one of the oldest societies on earth, you are not sarcastic you are an ignoramus.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 6, 2015, 9:32 pm

        Gosh, I thought the Balfour declaration was one of the cornerstones of Zionism. Oh well.

    • May 7, 2015, 8:00 am

      The first victim of Zionism was the Jewish people. Those under the sway of Zionism have become monsters

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 7, 2015, 5:01 pm

        “The first victim of Zionism was the Jewish people.”

        For some reason, I’ve resisted saying exactly that, because the nature of and motivations for what Zionists do to Jews, and what Zionists do to Palestinians, is too different to have “victim” cover both.
        For that reason I prefer to differentiate by saying that Zionism victimizes Jews, and that Palestinians are Zionism’s victims. As little as I like what Zionism does to Jews, I never want to imply, even inadvertently, that Zionism’s victimizing of Jews is of the same nature and extant as Zionism’s crimes against Palestinians. Until it is, of course, and I have no doubt they will get there.

      • Philemon
        Philemon
        May 7, 2015, 9:12 pm

        Nevermind!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 8, 2015, 3:00 pm

        “Nevermind”

        Yes, it’s my personal way of dealing with the difference, but it needn’t constrain anybody else. And it wasn’t meant to contradict the truth of “Giles” comment, not at all.

  2. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    May 6, 2015, 12:50 pm

    RE: “Shit Israeli soldiers did in Gaza”

    MY COMMENT: Cut them some slack, Phil. Israel lacks state-of-the-art toilet training! ! !

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick
      May 6, 2015, 12:58 pm

      What is it with the IDF and bodily secretions? I recall how some soldiers during their WB rampage back it 2002(?) smeared their feces into a fax machine.

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        May 6, 2015, 1:33 pm

        SEE: “Quotes ‘With Attitude’ From The Jewish Talmud”, Commentary By Don Talbot, Rense.com, 4-03-2002

        Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

        SOURCE – http://www.rense.com/general21/tal.htm

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        May 6, 2015, 2:45 pm

        SEE:“Jews protect Palestinians in harvest of hate” ~ By Donald Macintyre in Awarta, West Bank, The Independent, 10 Oct 2008
        Israelis cross religious divide to shelter olive farmers from settlers’ attacks

        [EXCERPTS] . . . Born in Tel Aviv, Ms Siew served in the army, took a university degree, then a teacher’s diploma. Thirty-six years ago, she took the tough decision to emigrate to London, telling her parents: “I won’t come back until there’s peace.” Ms Siew, who is now 64, remains an Israeli citizen but now lives with her British husband in Hebden Bridge. She has kept to her word, except that each autumn she comes back to stay in her hometown with her relatives and spends each day of the two-month harvest season picking olives on Palestinian farmland in the West Bank.
        And Ms Siew does that for a purpose. Up on the ridge above us, you can see the red roofs of Itamar, a notably hard-line Jewish settlement, and she is here to help protect the Palestinian farmers from the threat of settler violence which has so often scarred the olive harvests.
        . . . Last year, she was in a group in the South Hebron Hills confronted by settlers who fired shots from a pistol and an M16 assault rifle, despite the presence of the army and police. “Then one of the soldiers said, ‘Look, one of them is coming down with a jug of water for you’. The settler emptied the jug over me. It was full of human shit.” . . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jews-protect-palestinians-in-harvest-of-hate-956706.html

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        May 6, 2015, 6:54 pm

        Thanks. I’ve never been clear about the Jewish ideas of the afterlife.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 7, 2015, 5:04 pm

        “Thanks. I’ve never been clear about the Jewish ideas of the afterlife.”

        I think, if you look into it, RoHa, you may find that we aren’t, either.

      • Philemon
        Philemon
        May 7, 2015, 9:22 pm

        What’s with the eschatology and scatology? (Sorry, couldn’t resist. I tried.)

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        May 8, 2015, 1:42 am

        RE: “Thanks. I’ve never been clear about the Jewish ideas of the afterlife.” ~ RoHa
        AND RE: “I think, if you look into it, RoHa, you may find that we aren’t, either.” ~ Mooser

        SEE: Jewish eschatology (“The world to come”)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology#.22The_world_to_come.22

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        May 8, 2015, 2:41 am

        All I knew was the line from Hart Crane:

        “And obscure as that heaven of the Jews,
        Thy guerdon …”

        (To Brooklyn Bridge)

        But Crane makes no mention of the punishment.

  3. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    May 6, 2015, 12:55 pm

    Is it me or does a lot of this testimony sound less like shoot and cry but shoot and “eh?” (shrugs shoulders).

    Also did any see Burston take on the testimony in Haaretz? Stomach churing. Most of these guys don’t sound the lest bit tortured to me.

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      May 6, 2015, 1:56 pm

      SEE: “Don’t advocate for Israel one more day, until you’ve done this” | By Bradley Burston | Haaretz.com | May 5, 2015
      Whatever your politics, you should know this: These soldiers and the people of Breaking the Silence are Israeli patriots. They are advocating for Israel.

      [EXCERPTS] . . . Before you advocate for Israel one more day, you owe it to yourself and to Israel to do this: Download and open a report called “This is How We Fought in Gaza: Soldiers’ testimonies and photographs from Operation ‘Protective Edge’ (2014).”

      . . . Read it until you can’t go on. Then read it some more. . .

      . . . There will be people – lots of people – who will tell you not to read “This is How We Fought in Gaza.” They will tell you that these soldiers are traitors, or defeatist radical activists, or dupes, or made up.

      If you hear someone saying this, you’re being flat-out lied to. Not only that, the person that tells you this is spitting on Israelis who were willing to give their very lives to defend their country and their loved ones.

      There will be people who will slander and denigrate and deceive and misrepresent the organization which gathered the soldiers’ stories – Breaking the Silence, itself a project of former and reserve IDF officers and soldiers.

      There will be people who make their living suggesting that Breaking the Silence is part of a vast, dark, international conspiracy aimed at destroying Israel.

      If you’re honest about advocating for Israel, you need to think for yourself.

      Whatever your politics, you should know this: These soldiers and the people of Breaking the Silence are Israeli patriots. They are advocating for Israel.

      They are not naïve. Anything but. They understand, as only veterans of war really can, what profoundly dangerous challenges this country faces.

      They are a big part of what enables this country to continue to exist. They are advocating for an army, a country, whose actions hew closer to its own stated values and moral principles. They are patriots. . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/.premium-1.655059

  4. just
    just
    May 6, 2015, 1:05 pm

    I guess the NYT and Rudoren are trying to figure out a way to polish this behemoth of a turd.

    (iirc, some of this defilement/ grotesquerie was brought forward at the Russell Tribunal)

  5. Helena Cobban
    Helena Cobban
    May 6, 2015, 3:14 pm

    Same when they occupied West Beirut right after Bashir Gemayyel’s killing in 1982. Probably the same in 1967, 1956, 1948. Worse than animals.

  6. MRW
    MRW
    May 6, 2015, 3:14 pm

    All the stories are about bodily functions? Why?

    Because there was no fighting going on. These aren’t soldiers; the Palestinians don’t have guns. These are people with American weapons, elaborate communications gadgets, and uniform doo-dads that drive the equivalent of the next county to point a gun at a civilian, and play war.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 6, 2015, 4:01 pm

      “All the stories are about bodily functions? Why?”

      Beats me! You should ask that “jon s” fellow, the one who says of Jews: “Even their sexual behavior is different”! Perhaps he knows.

      • MRW
        MRW
        May 6, 2015, 9:15 pm

        He does? He says that?

        So is your sexual behavior different, Moose? I mean, you’ve got a dog, but …

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 7, 2015, 5:09 pm

        “So is your sexual behavior different, Moose?”

        Me? Hey, you know how it is for us. At my age I’m pretty much stuck in the same old rut.

  7. eljay
    eljay
    May 6, 2015, 3:17 pm

    When you shit in the toilet it stays there, the water doesn’t go down. That’s on the one hand. But then on the other, if there is a toilet there – why shouldn’t I shit in it? So the simple soldiers, like good soldiers, found the ‘middle path’ themselves; they got their hands on some laundry detergent and whoever finished taking a dump would throw a handful on it.

    Why would they have to do that? Surely the shit of the “most moral army in the world” doesn’t stink?

  8. just
    just
    May 6, 2015, 3:20 pm

    March 2009:

    “Gaza homes vandalized by occupying forces

    One of the most important factors in recovery from trauma is the ability to find sanctuary in the comfort of one’s home. The right to safety and security. For many people in Gaza, this right has been repeatedly violated, in the form of the destruction of their personal property, often wantonly, by Israeli military forces.

    Alongside the thousands of homes partially or completely destroyed by bulldozers, tank shells and bombs dropped by F-16 fighter jets, are the homes that have been defaced by graffiti left by individual Israeli soldiers and the vandalization of civilian property within them.

    At Mosab Dardona’s home in Jabal al-Rayes, northeast Gaza, Israeli soldiers who had taken up positions in civilian houses in the area left behind intricate drawings on the walls, some depicting soldiers urinating on toppled mosques, or devouring Palestinian villages. In the house next door, belonging to Ibrahim Dardona, soldiers left behind dozens of bags of feces in the bedrooms, despite the presence of a functioning toilet, and left crude sexual diagrams on the walls.

    “The writing left by Israeli soldiers in the homes in Gaza provides an insight into the disturbing culture of hatred and racism towards Palestinians and Arabs which exists among parts of Israeli society,” says Hamdi Shaqqura, the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights’ (PCHR) director of democratic development. “In light of the evidence PCHR has gathered of the willful and wanton killing of Palestinian civilians in Gaza, this graffiti is even more disturbing.””…

    more: http://electronicintifada.net/content/gaza-homes-vandalized-occupying-forces/3425

  9. just
    just
    May 6, 2015, 3:50 pm

    “Ex-U.N. Official John Dugard: Israel’s Crimes are “Infinitely Worse” Than in Apartheid South Africa”

    JOHN DUGARD: I think the strategy of Israel and also of the United States is simply to allow talks to go on forever and ever, while Israel annexes more land and takes over Palestinian territory. The purpose of the International Criminal Court, as I see it, is to circumvent this strategy on the part of Israel and the United States and to make Israel and the United States see and face the issues very clearly—namely, that Israel has committed very, very serious international crimes. And I might add that I’m a South African who lived through apartheid. I have no hesitation in saying that Israel’s crimes are infinitely worse than those committed by the apartheid regime of South Africa. …

    …AMY GOODMAN: You say, John Dugard, that the situation in the Palestinian territories is worse than apartheid. What would an apartheid case brought to the International Criminal Court look like? Again, you were the special rapporteur, the U.N. special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories, as well as being a South African and an international rights lawyer.

    JOHN DUGARD: Well, of course, I think it’s important to stress that the whole international environment has changed since the end of apartheid, because the apartheid regime, fortunately for itself, did not have to face a legal action either before an international criminal court or before a national court, whereas Israel today does face action before an international court. Of course, the crimes are substantially the same: discrimination, repression, targeted assassinations, house demolitions. I think, in one respect, Israel’s crimes are much worse, and that is in respect of its military action against Gaza, where it has not hesitated to kill civilians indiscriminately.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2015/5/6/ex_un_official_john_dugard_israel

  10. edwardm
    edwardm
    May 6, 2015, 4:13 pm

    Gee, and here I thought Israel was a country of Nobel laureates. You’d think they would know already that poo has germs that make you sick. Now they know!

  11. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    May 7, 2015, 12:03 am

    RE: “Shit Israeli soldiers did in Gaza”

    SEE: “Israel and the Palestinians ~ The Psychopathology of Revenge”, by Norman Pollack, CounterPunch.org, March 02, 2015

    [EXCERPT] . . . In my earlier article I referred in passing to Israel’s having rendered Gaza “the Bergen-Belsen of the Arab world,” a very harsh statement, but one on further reflection I believe is justified. How explain not only the merciless killing but also the indifference to it on the part of Israelis? Initially, as I over time became more critical of Israel, I ascribed the behavior to the psychodynamics of introjection: the gut-wrenching, anguished, unspeakably cruel experience of the Holocaust, a process of dehumanization which left the individual in a state of extreme ego-loss powerless to resist both the degraded image of the self and the external penetration of the total context of repression into the psyche, notably, the value system of the oppressor, the jailer, the Nazi. This grounding down of the human personality cannot but leave its scars, as though in struggling for a return to wholeness some of the internal poisons remain. One should not blame the victims for the brutal crimes practiced on them. They are entitled to understanding, at the very least, and actually a good deal more. But the historical experience etched into the mindset of the survivors and passed on to future generations could, and I think did, take on a perverse course, at first, largely unconscious, but then hardened into place as the group-memory of genocide remained in force and the experience of renewed persecution either persisted or threatened.

    At this point, clearly not explainable by some form of psychological determinism, but nevertheless, by a natural drive for self-protection, victims find within themselves transformative powers, as in the resolve, “Never again,” to liberate themselves from societal- and self-captivity to become strong, if need be, by overcompensating from previous weakness, with the result of adopting for themselves the mindset that had been responsible for holding them down. The toughness of the Israeli is legendary, a toughness, however, drained of the humanistic, life-giving impulses that had heretofore characterized Judaism and its embrace of the stranger, its inceptive radicalism and call for transcendent brotherhood, its respect for the arts—all thought softness today and ill-fitted for present reality. Sartre once described the anti-Semite (which we can enlarge to include the authoritarian personality) as one attracted to the durability of stone.

    This is where, I’m afraid, we’re at: the prostitution of “Never again” into a solipsistic credo of what might best be called, defensive aggression, which turns out to be not defensive at all. Gaza is like a laboratory of cruelty, different from the gas chamber in quantity more than in quality, a possibility actualized only because of or through the debasement of religious teachings preceded by the breakdown of personality structure and value system under the weight of the Holocaust. Can the spell be broken, the historical- psychological continuity of suffering-transformed-into-revenge likewise broken? I fear that introjection has become a runaway process, that at this point revenge has eliminated an initially passive response to psychological impoverishment, so that the presumed emancipation from the past, the conversion from weakness into strength, takes the hideous form of recapitulating that past under Israel’s own auspices as reproducing the Nazi experience in the modern era: Bergen-Belsen qua Gaza, an assertion of might, a warning to all enemies, real and imagined, and proof-positive of the requisite hardness worthy to being taken as America’s staunchest ally. . .

    CONTINUED AT – http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/02/the-psychopathology-of-revenge/

    • Kris
      Kris
      May 7, 2015, 12:34 am

      Thank you for your many excellent comments, and thank you also for the link to this very interesting, though frightening, article on counterpunch.org.

  12. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    May 7, 2015, 2:36 am

    RE: “Shit Israeli soldiers did in Gaza”

    SHIT ISRAEL IS DOING IN AMERICA: “America’s Police Will Fight the Next Riot With These Stink Bombs”, by Patrick Tucker, DefenseOne.com, 29 April 2015
    Future protestors in places like Baltimore could be met with a new and disgusting chemical weapon.

    [EXCERPT] As protestors and police officers clash on the streets of Baltimore and other divided cities, some police departments are stockpiling a highly controversial weapon to control civil unrest.

    It’s called Skunk, a type of “malodorant,” or in plainer language, a foul-smelling liquid. Technically nontoxic but incredibly disgusting, it has been described as a cross between “dead animal and human excrement.” Untreated, the smell lingers for weeks.

    The Israeli Defense Forces developed Skunk in 2008 as a crowd-control weapon for use against Palestinians. Now Mistral, a company out of Bethesda, Md., says they are providing it to police departments in the United States.

    Skunk is composed of a combination of baking soda and amino acids, Mistral general manager Stephen Rust said at the National Defense Industrial Association’s Armament Systems Forum on April 20. “You can drink it, but you wouldn’t want to,” said Rust, a retired U.S. Army project manager.

    The Israelis first used it in 2008 to disperse Palestinians protesting in the West Bank. A BBC video shows its first use in action, sprayed by a hose, a system that has come to be known as the “crap cannon.”

    Mistral reps say Skunk, once deployed, can be “neutralized” with a special soap — and only with that soap. In another BBC video, an IDF spokesman describes how any attempt to wash it via regular means only exacerbates its effects. Six weeks after IDF forces used it against Palestinians at a security barrier, it still lingered in the air. . .

    CONTINUED AT – http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/04/americas-police-will-fight-next-riot-these-stink-bombs/111430/

  13. OlegR
    OlegR
    May 7, 2015, 8:03 am

    Oh my God what a journalistic discovery.
    War is unsanitary and IDF soldiers need to piss and shit just like regular human beings.

    • just
      just
      May 7, 2015, 8:14 am

      You. don’t. get. it. No surprise there.

      BTS does get it.

      • OlegR
        OlegR
        May 7, 2015, 10:52 am

        BTS managed to scrap 3 to 4 guys with their most damning accusation being the killing of suspected spotters for the Hamas (something your guys did routinely without anybody caring ) and the rest are just anecdotal evidence that war is not a nice way to spent your time as if it’s some sort of news.

      • just
        just
        May 7, 2015, 11:30 am

        “and the rest are just anecdotal evidence that war is not a nice way to spent your time as if it’s some sort of news.”

        My guess is that you did not read the report at all, never mind in full.

        I reckon you missed the part where it was an all out massacre of Palestinians.

        “The anonymous soldier testimonies from the 2014 Gaza onslaught released today by the Israeli veterans group Breaking the Silence (and reported in the Washington Post, the Independent, and Guardian) suggest more madness than method in Israel’s overwhelming and indiscriminate attacks in Gaza. “Fire at every person you see,” is the Independent’s headline.

        Underlying the testimonies, though, are two new doctrines of war that the Israeli military has adopted at the highest level in order to combat violent Palestinian resistance: 1, zero risk to Israeli troops, 2, destruction of entire neighborhoods as a form of deterrence and collective punishment.”…

        – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/testimonies-palestinian-cellphones#sthash.emvRuZby.dpuf

      • OlegR
        OlegR
        May 7, 2015, 11:36 am

        Circular links to Mondo oh ye what other evidence do i need right…
        I can actually access the Breaking the Silence site and see and read what they posted.
        It’s mostly anecdotal evidence that war is not fun to anybody.

      • Kris
        Kris
        May 7, 2015, 11:42 am

        OlegR: “their most damning accusation being the killing of suspected spotters for the Hamas…”

        Did you even read the report?

        And do you think it’s okay to kill “suspected” people?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        May 7, 2015, 7:13 pm

        “two new doctrines of war that the Israeli military has adopted at the highest level”

        It looks as though Rabbi Friedman, Rabbi Shapira, and Rabbi Elitzur are being listened to in the IDF.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 7, 2015, 8:20 pm

        “I can actually access the Breaking the Silence site and see and read what they posted.
        It’s mostly anecdotal evidence that war is not fun to anybody.”

        Look, “OlegR” if you want to say that Jews are liars, just come out and say it. Go ahead, “OlegR”, just flush that precious tribal unity down the toilet. Let the Gentiles know we all lie top each other.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 7, 2015, 5:25 pm

      “War is unsanitary and IDF soldiers need to piss and shit just like regular human beings.”

      Gee, you would think the hi-tech IDF would have some provision for that? Oh well.

      Oh BTW “OlegR” I don’t know who toilet trained you, and far be it from me to criticize a person’s parents, but most “regular human beings” don’t “piss and shit” like that.

      Just a tip, in case you travel.

      • just
        just
        May 7, 2015, 8:39 pm

        Thanks, Mooser.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        May 8, 2015, 3:11 am

        “Oh BTW “OlegR” I don’t know who toilet trained you, and far be it from me to criticize a person’s parents, but most “regular human beings” don’t “piss and shit” like that.

        Just a tip, in case you travel.” (Mooser)

        Brilliant! +1 Mooser

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 8, 2015, 3:27 pm

        “Brilliant! +1 Mooser”

        Thanks, as always, Bornojoo, but I think the mot juste is “glaring”.
        BTW, Bornajoo, I’m sure you are aware that Jews are immune to cholera or typhoid. So we can’t expect Zionists to worry about hygiene.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        May 8, 2015, 4:25 pm

        “BTW, Bornajoo, I’m sure you are aware that Jews are immune to cholera or typhoid. So we can’t expect Zionists to worry about hygiene.” (Mooser)

        But then they leave their stockpiles of chemical weapons behind in pots and pans to infect the Palestinians after they’ve gone.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 9, 2015, 11:50 pm

        “But then they leave their stockpile behind…”

        Never take medical advice from a cynic like me. If I am not mistaken both cholera and typhoid afflicted Jewish ghettos.

  14. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    May 7, 2015, 3:03 pm

    Has anyone devised a bingo board of hasbara excuses? I think that would be fun to play. “Look, I just got ‘Whataboutery’, one more and I will have bingo.” Alternatively, for those inclined, we could devise a drinking game?

  15. Bornajoo
    Bornajoo
    May 7, 2015, 7:41 pm

    You are forced to evacuate your home. Family, friends, cousins and neighbours are being killed all around you. You end up in a shelter. The shelter is also attacked. You somehow survive and eventually get back to your home, your place of safety, security and comfort. It’s badly damaged but it’s still home. But when you get there you find it full of Shit from the same bastards who have been terrorising you. How the fuck can you deal with that?

    It’s unimaginable horror.

    But I’m sure that the new justice minister, Ayelet Shaked, would have been proud of her young zionist warriors shitting in all those snakes nests.

    • just
      just
      May 7, 2015, 7:57 pm

      Exactly, Bornajoo.

      From the 2009 article that I quoted & linked to above:

      “One of the most important factors in recovery from trauma is the ability to find sanctuary in the comfort of one’s home. The right to safety and security. For many people in Gaza, this right has been repeatedly violated, in the form of the destruction of their personal property, often wantonly, by Israeli military forces.”

      Many folks have written about the continuous traumatic stress disorder experienced by Palestinians.

      Avigail Abarbanel:

      http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/netanyahu-won-what (mostly in the comments)

      Dr. Rothchild:

      http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/no-time-to-mourn

      http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/massive-abuse-world

      There is no safe place for Palestinians. The Israelis don’t respect them, their culture, their homes, their places of worship, their rights, etc. It’s all very un- Jewish, imho.

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        May 8, 2015, 5:53 am

        Just
        I’m fairly certain that this is yet another serious human rights violation by the most moral army in the world. I’ve been reading up on the rules of urban warfare and the subject of human waste in the field. It seems pretty certain that defecating in the pots and pans inside civilian homes of the civilian population is a serious breach of convention. It’s no surprise to me that the likes of OlegR think it’s just completely normal without a second thought of the actual horror and after effects of such heinous and disgusting behaviour

        This is all part of the ongoing and deepening process of dehumanisation against the Palestinians. Let’s look at another scenario in a theoretical situation. Let’s say we have a group of Israeli soldiers in a battle situation who are forced to take shelter in Jewish settler homes somewhere in the occupied territories. Do you really believe that these same soldiers would shit in the pots and pans of those Jewish homes?? Of course not. but when you are shitting in the homes of dehumanised snakes, cockroaches and “terrorists” it’s absolutely fine.

        They should shit on Zionism

      • just
        just
        May 8, 2015, 7:20 am

        Thanks, Bornajoo. I did ask a couple of friends (ex-military) about this, and they were not ‘amused’ by the stories.

        I guess OlegR will excuse/justify anything~ after all, iirc, he supported the massacre(s) from the get-go.

  16. bintbiba
    bintbiba
    May 8, 2015, 6:14 am

    After we left Jerusalem on May 2nd, 1948… a relative who was an American citizen went some time later to see what had happened to the house we had lived in ; she found that they had bayoneted my mother’s oil paintings (she did paint as a young woman) and done their doo doo s
    all over the place !

    That was after everyone was gone . No fighting …. Young soldiers fresh from Europe , obviously! Coming to civilise the desert people . Jerusalem ’48, not Gaza 2015 !

    As an American she managed to salvage a few paintings and shipped them to Beirut via Embassy . I have one small one, my brother has some, and my son has a big one with the bayonet rip through it still. She always refused to have it repaired !

  17. bintbiba
    bintbiba
    May 8, 2015, 6:44 am

    PS. My little story seems so sacrilegeous compared to the horrors the Gaza people had to face when returning to their homes.
    I apologise to them … that was a memory that’s been triggered by the events unfolding and the disgusting disclosures thereof.

    • just
      just
      May 8, 2015, 7:12 am

      Nothing “sacrilegious” about telling your story, bintbiba. Those who desecrated your home and your mother’s paintings were the some of the fathers of today’s IOF. The aberrant, sinful behaviors and hatred for Palestinians is taught by parents/elders and obviously learned well by their progeny.

      Nothing magical about it, and it’s not in any religious text that I know of. It’s just evil.

    • Kris
      Kris
      May 8, 2015, 11:05 am

      That is such a sad story, bintbiba.

      It’s a valuable story, too, demonstrating that the pointless, casual, racist cruelty of Jewish Zionists is nothing new. I wonder about this cruelty all the time, and just can’t find a good way to understand it.

    • eljay
      eljay
      May 8, 2015, 11:40 am

      || bintbiba: PS. My little story seems so sacrilegeous compared to the horrors the Gaza people had to face when returning to their homes.
      I apologise to them … that was a memory that’s been triggered by the events unfolding and the disgusting disclosures thereof. ||

      Thank you for sharing, and peace to you and your family. Your story is an echo of theirs, and of countless others who have been touched by the ravages of war. If anyone should apologize, it’s the Zio-supremacists who believe they were and continue to be entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 8, 2015, 12:07 pm

        || eljay: … Your story is an echo of theirs, and of countless others who have been touched by the ravages of war. … ||

        To clarify: Your story is an echo of theirs (the people of Gaza), and of countless others who have been touched by the ravages of war.

    • annie
      annie
      May 8, 2015, 11:48 am

      it’s not sacrilegious at all bintbiba. besides, we know there’s a much larger arena of trauma and pain behind the “we left Jerusalem on May 2nd, 1948” than your simple phrasing implies.

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba
        May 8, 2015, 1:05 pm

        Thanks to all of you, “Just]’ Bornajoo, Eljay , Kris and Annie,…..

        Your kind remarks have brought more than a lump in my throat !!
        We were just kids and now we understand what our adult parents went through to protect and shield us from the ugliness beyond our little circle .

  18. Kay24
    Kay24
    May 8, 2015, 8:10 am

    Talking about shitty behavior, Peter Beinert writes an excellent article highlighting the fact that Israeli leaders talk about investigating why Ethiopian Jews must protest, admitting they have failed them, and the fact that they do not have the same attitude when it comes to the poor Palestinians. I guess when a Jewish/Israeli individual throws stones it is acceptable. No kids being arrestested either.

    Good read.

    “Violence doesn’t erase the legitimacy of grievances – in Baltimore, Tel Aviv or the West Bank
    Why do Israeli leaders respond so differently when the stone throwers are Palestinian rather than Ethiopian?”

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.655331

    • just
      just
      May 8, 2015, 8:39 am

      It was a “good read”, Kay24.

      Poor Beinart is very conflicted at this point~ he’s slipped off the cliff that is Israel, and is hanging by a thread while still clutching his Zionism close. (jmo)

      (you can tell from the comments on some of his latest articles that some folks are not at all happy with Peter’s evolution)

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        May 8, 2015, 10:31 am

        Just there are lots of Jewish folk conflicted like Peter B. It must be hard to speak out against what you know is wrong, yet go against your upbringing and hear the attacks that question your loyalty. I know a few good Jewish folk, one even married to a Muslim, who refuses to take a stronger stance against Israel. One said, that his mother always told him “you are Jewish whatever happens”. What I fail to understand is, what that has got to do with the world condemned policies of Israel, the occupation and illegal settlements. Being Jewish has nothing to do with it. You may love someone/something, but it is also natural to criticize them/it when you see something wrong about them/it. The same can be said about family members. :))

      • just
        just
        May 8, 2015, 10:45 am

        Great comment, Kay24. I especially appreciated this:

        “One said, that his mother always told him “you are Jewish whatever happens”. What I fail to understand is, what that has got to do with the world condemned policies of Israel, the occupation and illegal settlements. Being Jewish has nothing to do with it.”

        Zionism is not Judaism. Israel is not Judaism. Nobody can, or should, take away a person’s identity. Netanyahu is not King of the Jews, and neither is Sheldon Adelson.

        Saying so is not anti-semitic.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        May 8, 2015, 2:33 pm

        Saying so is definitely not anti-semitic, but the zionists have made sure any criticism against Israel must be turned into accusations of antisemitism, because it is ONLY way they can silence the person criticizing. It is the zionist way of intimidation. It stinks.

      • just
        just
        May 8, 2015, 2:41 pm

        Bingo!

        We have to take that away from them, by exposing it each and every time there is an opportunity.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 8, 2015, 3:17 pm

        “It must be hard to speak out against what you know is wrong, yet go against your upbringing and hear the attacks that question your loyalty.”

        Yes, as Phil told us (first thing, too!) in a thread about “coming out” as an anti-Zionist, it can turn into a ‘contest of wills’.

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