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Michael Oren said he put “immense pressure” on Random House to publish his new book, Ally, this month, so he could mobilize American Jews against the coming Iranian deal, and they would intercede as they had failed to do in response to the Nazi threat in the 1930s.

Speaking at the 92nd Y last night, Oren said he resigned as Israel’s ambassador to the U.S. in October 2013 and then set out to write his book in a hurry for a “political reason.”

I wrote the book, and put rather immense pressure on Random House to bring it out not in September, October, the book selling period, but put it out in June now. Now, because Israel is at a crucial, I refer to it as fateful juncture, as an agreement, a nuclear deal with Iran, approaches literally in the coming days. And then after that perhaps a major French initiative in the Security Council that will have very profound implications for Israeli security.

He was referring to a French proposal to require the creation of a Palestinian state within a year and a half.

Oren then said his book opens with “love for America and love for the Jewish people” because approaching us with gratitude might “stave off another catastrophe.”

There are moments like this in American Jewish history where American Jewry had an opportunity to intercede and perhaps save millions of Jews. And that moment was lost. I grew up in the shadow of that guilt and that horror and it haunts me. I don’t think that every moment is 1938– don’t get me wrong. I don’t think Iranians are Nazis. But I have no doubt that given the opportunity they will wipe us off the map. Because they say it and they’re trying to do it, and we would be idiots not to think so.

Oren, who was born in New York 60 years ago and moved to Israel 40 years ago to serve in its army, said President Obama was determined to make a deal with Iran that virtually everyone in Israel believes is a bad deal. Americans lull themselves with such delusions as the idea that Iran can become a player in regional politics, or that Americans have had too much war. In fact, the Middle East is “a horrible neighborhood,” and Americans have only had two wars, and few of you have had to serve in them– nothing like all the war we’ve had, Oren instructed the audience of 300.

(I’ll have more on Oren’s task-sheet for American Jews, and his denigration of the Israel lobby theory, in days to come.)

Israelis had had an active debate about whether they could trust Obama to take military action against Iran if the situation required it up until September 2013, Oren said. Then the president declined to take action against Syria, ignoring the red line he had established for President Bashar al-Assad’s conduct.

“From that instant the debate in Israel [over Obama’s trustworthiness] ended and it has not been heard of since that time.”

Oren opined that both Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush are “wonderful.” He said he only knows Clinton personally, “and she understands us well,” but Israeli policy would have to change– slightly– if she is elected.

She is a Democrat, she is liberal. If she wins, I would hope that we would adjust our policies accordingly. I have very strong feelings about the peace process….You can’t call it the two state solution now, but you have a two state situation, de facto, in the West Bank, and let’s work to make it better, and let’s limit where we build our settlements, the most controversial thing. Let’s limit it to the settlement blocs, those areas that we all know are going to be part of the Jewish state if we ever have a two state solution. Whenever, no matter– let’s limit it. I think we’d have to adopt that kind of party policy if she were to be elected– to get in a different place.

Now a member of the Israeli parliament, Oren repeatedly bashed Obama for undoing 30 years of the special relationship between the countries, which he said was based on two principles, no daylight between the two official positions, and no surprises. That special relationship between the countries must be refurbished, whoever gets in to the White House, he said. The whole point of his book, he said, was to “restore this alliance” which had taken “some incredible bumps… over the last few years.”

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  1. Marshall
    Marshall
    June 22, 2015, 11:54 am

    These are the ravings of a madman–a total lack of grip on reality.

    • Krauss
      Krauss
      June 22, 2015, 12:23 pm

      No Marshall, Oren has (probably) just published the best book on the US/Israel relationship thus far from someone within the establishment(I don’t think of Walt/Mearsheimer as part of the establishment, the political one, even if they are Ivy league professors. They’re politically isolated).

      I’ve learnt more very interesting information from just the excerpts of the book than I have reading a ton of supposed “inside accounts”. Here is a guy who had real access and basically has no limits on how far he is willing to go and I’m grateful for that. I mean, just read the quote Phil pulled out. He’s driven by messianic fervor at this point and that’s great for those of us who want the unrestrained account.

      Oren’s position will be strengthened whoever wins the next election, even if you call him “madman”. I think it’s very important to understand his sheer animosity towards Obama, for I view Oren as a bellweather. Why does he and the lobby distrust Obama so much? I don’t think they are mad or irrational, I think they are rational, highly rational in fact.

      I think people will look back at the Obama presidency and indeed draw the same conclusion as Oren: this was a milestone administration in terms of US/Israel ties. He’s absolutely correct about that.

      He – and the lobby – both bank on the next president(either Clinton or Bush) and they’re probably right to do so. Nevertheless, the major lasting impact of the Obama era will likely live on within the American campus and reflower in the mid-2020s and beyond.

      Oren’s urgency is real. If Iran does get a deal, it’s only a matter of time before they get the bomb. It would also undo decades of Israeli propaganda, saying Iran is delusional/irrational.

      And if Israel is wrong on that, what else could they be wrong on? And yes, Oren’s entitlement, lecturing America how to act and behave etc is all vintage Israeli. The spoiled child makes itself heard.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        June 22, 2015, 1:08 pm

        I think it’s very important to understand his sheer animosity towards Obama, for I view Oren as a bellweather. Why does he and the lobby distrust Obama so much? I don’t think they are mad or irrational, I think they are rational, highly rational in fact.

        Oren reflects the fact that on the Israeli right (current Jewish-Israeli mainstream) Obama is an enemy (this is probably part of what he thinks many American Jews — particularly those who are “not Orthodox” and serve in the administration — don’t get). Judy Shalom-Nir-Mozes’ tweet reflects the same mood — albeit somewhat less “diplomatically”.
        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/racist-israels-premier

        Mr. “White”, clueless (if not downright anti-Semitic) foreign correspondent is also an enemy.
        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/ministry-ridicules-defending

        Europeans and left-wing Israeli Jews are also enemies:
        http://972mag.com/watch-the-most-anti-semitic-israeli-cartoon-ever-made/102698/
        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/lawmaker-officials-stigmatizing

        I guess you could say that the Jewish-Israeli mainstream (some of the links above refer to more extreme individuals/groups,, but the views they express in terms of “who is an enemy” are certainly widespread) is both rational and irrational. Paranoia is at fever-pitch (the closest I can remember is the period leading up to Rabin’s assassination) and there are no half-measures: either you are 100% behind Netanyahu (or to his right), or you are an enemy — to be fought, undermined and made a fool of (at least half of what Netanyahu’s last performance before Congress was about). There’s definitely method in the madness.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        June 22, 2015, 4:16 pm

        The goals that Oren has in mind: stopping the Iranian bomb and stopping the French UN Security Council Resolution are not irrational. (On the West Bank issue: The lack of a proposed Israeli policy by Oren beyond that of limiting construction to the settlement blocs is IMO shortsighted, but stopping the French initiative or shall we call it the Obama-French initiative is short term very rational.)

        I question the means that Oren is using to accomplish these goals: Firing up the Fox Republican Likud crowd. I don’t think there is any purpose to trying to fire up the common Jewish voter on the issue of Iran. I think the votes in the Congress won’t change one iota even if all Jews were to oppose the coming deal. And polls indicate that most American Jews support the coming Iran deal. The only ones who are potential advocates for Israel are in fact the Fox Republican crowd, because Iran is a major issue and a major accomplishment that Obama hopes to achieve and the 70% or so of American Jews who voted for Obama are against a war and thus in favor of the treaty.

        On the issue of the resolution in the UN, there it’s an entirely different ballgame. On that issue there is only one vote: Obama’s, no Congressional vote. If Obama backs the resolution, the Democratic party will be split: with the rank and file backing Obama and a majority of elected officials opposing Obama and with a minority of senators and congressmen backing Obama. (It will be interesting to see if the Democrats backing Obama will gather more than 20% of their congressmen to back Obama in that case.) Would a campaign against the UN resolution make a difference with Obama? No. Would a campaign to alert your Democratic congressman of the danger that Obama is posing to Israel with this resolution make the split between the elected Democrats and Obama so severe as to cause Obama to back down? Doubtful. But that happens to be the best hope for anti resolution supporters of Israel to try to stop the UN resolution. And for that they will need wide support from people just to the right of J Street types. And Oren is doing nothing to get those American Jews on his side and so whereas his goal is rational, the means for accomplishing that goal are being worsened by the obvious Republican Fox News bent of his rhetoric.

        My own opinion towards the French resolution: Resolution 242 has failed and it is natural if an organization takes itself seriously to try to remedy the failure of Resolution 242. Should the UN security council take itself seriously? In recent years (since the first Gulf war) it has not, but it might decide to do so now. Netanyahu is against change of any kind (unlike Sharon who was a doer, Netanyahu is primarily a sitter. ) and as such his credibility in opposing the UN resolution is weak, as in: just give us another 48 years and I assure you we will be close to an agreement. Do I think the UN will adopt the Geneva Initiative formula as its imposed peace plan? Or might the eventual UN plan be even worse for Israel than the Geneva Initiative? Because details of the UN plan would definitely cause pain and worry I prefer to observe the UN resolution rather than root for it.

      • amigo
        amigo
        June 22, 2015, 4:55 pm

        “The goals that Oren has in mind: stopping the Iranian bomb and stopping the French UN Security Council Resolution are not irrational. “YF

        What Iranian bomb.

        As to stopping the French SCR –whats new. Israel has been trying to stop UN Sec Council Resolutions for decades and will continue to do so as long as they interfere with project Greater Israel.Anyone who thinks Israel is interested in any other plan is –well , not thinking.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 22, 2015, 6:20 pm

        “The goals that Oren has in mind: stopping the Iranian bomb”

        Nonsense, Yonah, complete nonsense. If Israel had even a slight desire to stop nuclear proliferation, they would sign the NPT and submit to inspections of their own, stolen, nuclear arsenal. I’ll bet Tel Aviv doesn’t even know where half their tactical nuclear weapons are, and who could set one off (if some settler officer got a message from G-d or read the entrails or chemtrails of a burnt-offering)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 23, 2015, 10:58 am

        You know, maybe I’m just a bad person for thinking this, but it occurs to me that if I had an uncontrolled, un-inspected, unknown number of nuclear weapons, nobody would know if I sold a few to Iran. Especially if I had a lot, like the Zionists do, invested in the idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon.

      • June 23, 2015, 4:50 pm

        “If Iran does get a deal, it’s only a matter of time before they get the bomb.”

        Huh? How do you arrive at that “fact”?

  2. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    June 22, 2015, 12:22 pm

    “…but Israeli policy would have to change– slightly– if she is elected.”

    Something tells me Israel has nothing to worry about.

    • Doubtom
      Doubtom
      June 24, 2015, 12:49 am

      Hillary’s ‘schooling’ concerning Israel and its power over American politics, began a long time ago when as wife to the president she made the mistake of mouthing off about Israel and was promptly swamped with criticism. It’s a lesson she learned well and she hasn’t forgotten it.
      There is no American politician with the balls to take on Israel, that’s the simple truth. Don’t look for it to happen—Obummer, is the closest thing we have to a president acting on his own, without first getting his guidance from AIPAC. America is Israel’s lapdog!

  3. lysias
    lysias
    June 22, 2015, 12:45 pm

    Oren’s book will become available on my Kindle tomorrow, June 23.

  4. John O
    John O
    June 22, 2015, 12:46 pm

    Nice photo. Just needs a speech bubble above the POTUS: “Here’s your leaving card, Mike. And there’s the door.”

  5. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    June 22, 2015, 12:54 pm

    RE: “Israelis had had an active debate about whether they could trust Obama to take military action against Iran if the situation required it up until September 2013, Oren said. Then the president declined to take action against Syria, ignoring the red line he had established for President Bashar al-Assad’s conduct.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Yet, in his book, Oren gave the Israelis credit for the idea of forgoing an attack on Syria in favor of a deal under which Bashar al-Assad of Syria agreed to give up his cache of chemical weapons! *

    * SEE: “Obscure Netanyahu minister emerges as unsung international hero in latest ‘NYT’ report” ~ By James North, Mondoweiss.net, June 16, 2015

    [EXCERPT] Former Israeli ambassador Michael Oren has a book coming out about his service under Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, and the Wall Street Journal and Haaretz agree on the big news: Oren says Obama “abandoned” Israel by taking policy steps on Iran and the occupation without clearing them with Israel first.

    The New York Times has a very different story from the same book, and this one is much more positive news for Israel. “Israeli Helped Inspire U.S.-Russia Weapons Deal With Assad, Memoir Says.” Remember that chemical weapons deal under which Bashar al-Assad of Syria agreed to give up his illegal cache of weapons? It was Israel’s achievement, not Obama’s, but Israel couldn’t take credit for it till now. The story is a variation on the old Now-we-can-tell-you-the-great-thing-Israel-did: examples include the Osirak nuclear strike, and the Munich revenge killings.

    And the hero at the heart of the story? None other than Benjamin Netanyahu’s unprepossessing minister of infrastructure, Yuval Steinitz. A former professor of philosophy who has long been close to Netanyahu, Steinitz turns out to be the mastermind behind a diplomatic breakthrough that the Times says “seemed like a win-win-win-win-win.”

    Steinitz is quoted at length by Jodi Rudoren in a piece that reads as if it was generated by the Israeli Foreign Ministry’s public relations department:

    “Then it occurred to us . . . The best thing will be Russia and the United States will collaborate together in order to dismantle the chemical stockpiles.”

    And there are action moments involving the unsung hero.

    Mr. Steinitz rushed to Mr. Netanyahu’s office. Within a day or two, he recalled, “The Americans and the Russians began to promote this idea together, and we were sitting aside.”

    “They never asked if they can give us credit, and we never asked them to give us credit,” he added. “Until today, it was a secret.” . . .

    SOURCE – http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/netanyahu-minister-international

  6. Citizen
    Citizen
    June 22, 2015, 12:56 pm

    Oren: Americans risk nothing compared to Israelis; USA can take a lot of punches, so what’s the problem except anti-semitism?

    Nothing much, just that Israel is not the USA, so why should our Military families suffer at all for Israel? There’s more American Jewish grunts in the IDF than there is in the US military. So what’s the problem?

  7. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    June 22, 2015, 1:02 pm

    RE: “I don’t think that every moment is 1938– don’t get me wrong. I don’t think Iranians are Nazis. But I have no doubt that given the opportunity they will wipe us off the map. Because they say it and they’re trying to do it, and we would be idiots not to think so.” ~ Oren

    MY COMMENT: At least Haim Saban is honest enough to admit that he thinks the Iranians are Nazis!*

    * SEE: “Haim Saban”, by Matthew Yglesias, The Atlantic, June 10, 2007

    [EXCERPT] If you’re interested in the foreign policy views of major Hillary Clinton financial backer Haim Saban, there’s no need to follow the Atrios path of attempting guilt by association with Kenneth Pollack. He [Saban] discussed his views on the Middle East and Persian Gulf region in great detail in a reasonably recent interview with ‘Haaretz’:

    “When I see Ahmadinejad, I see Hitler. They speak the same language. His motivation is also clear: the return of the Mahdi is a supreme goal. And for a religious person of deep self-persuasion, that supreme goal is worth the liquidation of five and a half million Jews. We cannot allow ourselves that. Nuclear weapons in the hands of a religious leadership that is convinced that the annihilation of Israel will bring about the emergence of a new Muslim caliphate? Israel cannot allow that. This is no game. It’s truly an existential danger.” . . .

    . . . Saban was the largest overall contributor to the Democratic National Committee during the 2001-2002 cycle, when the party leadership was backing the Iraq War and Terry McAuliffe was DNC chair, and if Clinton becomes president, they’ll be back in the positions of influence they enjoyed back then. I doubt this all means that Hillary Clinton’s secretly itching for war with Iran, but it’s yet another illustration of the fact that her views on national security policy are too neoconnish for my tastes.

    SOURCE – http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2007/06/haim-saban/40714/

  8. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    June 22, 2015, 1:12 pm

    “You can’t call it the two state solution now, but you have a two state situation, de facto, in the West Bank, and let’s work to make it better,” Here Oran is saying there will not be a ‘legally’ recognized Palestine state by the Israelis, so that the “Land of Israel” which Oran believes incorporates the whole of the West Bank, [or as he might say, Judea and Samaria], will not be compromised by the de facto fragments of land which the Palestinians now inhabit.

  9. eljay
    eljay
    June 22, 2015, 1:25 pm

    … I have very strong feelings about the peace process….You can’t call it the two state solution now, but you have a two state situation, de facto …

    No need to pursue justice, accountability and equality when, after 70 years – and counting – of (war) crimes, you have arrived at a “two state situation, de facto”.

    … let’s work to make it better, and let’s limit where we build our settlements, the most controversial thing. Let’s limit it to the settlement blocs, those areas that we all know are going to be part of the Jewish state … let’s limit it.

    Let’s make it better, and let’s limit the raping to just the victims we currently have in our basement, the ones we know belong to us. Let’s limit it.

    Mr. Oren is a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist.

  10. ckg
    ckg
    June 22, 2015, 2:07 pm

    Abe Foxman’s last act as ADL chief was to issue a press release slamming Oren.

    Time to make some popcorn.

    • just
      just
      June 22, 2015, 3:39 pm

      With real butter, ckg!

      I read this headline this morning:

      “Michael Oren: New book meant to enlist American Jews to fight Iran deal

      “Former envoy to U.S. says non-Orthodox and intermarried Jews in Obama administration ‘have a hard time understanding the Israeli character.'”

      http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.662374

      Aha!

      • John O
        John O
        June 22, 2015, 4:16 pm

        “Former envoy to U.S. says non-Orthodox and intermarried Jews in Obama administration ‘have a hard time understanding the Israeli character.’”

        Don’t we all!

      • ckg
        ckg
        June 22, 2015, 5:02 pm

        That remark of his will surely go over well here.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 22, 2015, 6:23 pm

        So all Jews have to knuckle under to the Orthodox? Why is that, cause they have the right clothes, hair and accessories?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 24, 2015, 1:23 pm

        “That remark of his will surely go over well here.”

        This is going to be very interesting. They really want to posit the Orthodox as Jewish exemplars for Zionism in America? Let’s see, non-Orthodox and/or intermarried. Wonder how big as proportion of the American Jewish community (such as it is) that would be?

      • ckg
        ckg
        June 24, 2015, 6:33 pm

        @just, @’John O’, and @Mooser. Yes, Oren apparently doesn’t care for the non-Orthodox or intermarriage. If he were a Hogwarts student, the Sorting Hat would have no trouble deciding where to place him.

  11. Memphis
    Memphis
    June 22, 2015, 3:33 pm

    Does he not consider the U.S’ involvement in Lebanon in the 80’s war? This guys is such a liar. I hope his book flops. Should just ignore him. A wise men once said, don’t argue with fools… Oren is a fool. I think if anyone wants to read his book, should borrow it from the library so he doesn’t get financially rewarded for lies and hasbara.

  12. Keith
    Keith
    June 22, 2015, 4:27 pm

    So much emphasis on political theater! This is agitprop, the “good cop-bad cop” routine. Obama is a front man, a more articulate version of Reagan with, I suspect, rather limited input into decision making. These things are decided by our aggressive, militaristic deep state. Iran has been on the empire’s hit list since at least 2003, and is currently under asymmetrical attack. Whether or not Israel is unleashed to directly attack Iran depends more on the unfolding of events in Syria and the Ukraine than on propogandistic tweets and books. It is not wise to place undo emphasis on public statements by political marketeers.

    • aiman
      aiman
      June 24, 2015, 7:13 am

      Good comment but one important correction here: “…or not Israel is unleashed to directly attack Iran depends more on the unfolding of events in Syria and the Ukraine than on propogandistic tweets and books.”

      Israel IS a sizeable part of the deep state and the driving engine to hitting Iran. Israel is NOT empire’s lapdog but an embedded PART of the empire, an aberration that Chomsky will never acknowledge. Israel DOES make decisions that the rest of the empire must follow or entertain. Yes it’s not a perfect relationship and empire is not a mere puppet but neither is empire a callow or simplistic “aggressive, militaristic”. Israel through loopholes in American governance and ownership of the media (Hollywood, mass media, etc.) and bullying of politicians drives US policy in the Mid East.

  13. oldgeezer
    oldgeezer
    June 22, 2015, 5:43 pm

    “Americans have only had two wars, and few of you have had to serve in them– nothing like all the war we’ve had, – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/american-intercede-millions#comment-148306

    Did Oren actually say this?? Unbelievable.

    • just
      just
      June 22, 2015, 5:51 pm

      Yep. And he WAS an American. Once upon a time~ 1955- 2009, when he had to give up his US citizenship to serve as Israeli ambassador. Chose to serve in the IOF rather than in the US military.

      ‘Educated’ @ Princeton and Columbia. He taught at Harvard, Yale, and Georgetown, too. A frightening case of selective memory.

      • lysias
        lysias
        June 22, 2015, 5:56 pm

        An American who did not see fit to do military service in the U.S. military (whereas he was a paratrooper in the IDF during the 1982 Lebanon war).

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        June 22, 2015, 5:58 pm

        Not with a major in history quite obvously.

      • lysias
        lysias
        June 22, 2015, 6:41 pm

        Not with a major in history quite obvously.

        You’re right. I had been thinking he did his undergraduate study at Princeton and his graduate study at Columbia. But quite the reverse. He did undergraduate studies and then an MA at Columbia in international studies before spending time in Israel (including his IDF stint). He then did further graduate work, up to Ph.D., in Middle Eastern studies at Princeton. Now, the Near Eastern studies program at Princeton generally requires studying history. But it turns out that his graduate supervisor was Bernard Lewis. So I have a feeling any history he learned was quite biased.

      • tree
        tree
        June 22, 2015, 7:18 pm

        Believe it or not, Oren’s claim to fame before becoming the Israeli ambassador was as a historian. Part of the “meritocracy” no doubt.

  14. oldgeezer
    oldgeezer
    June 22, 2015, 7:24 pm

    “nothing like all the war we’ve had, ”

    At least that part is something right. No 6 day or 19 day (73) wars for the US

  15. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    June 22, 2015, 11:50 pm

    Red line is very Zionist in conceptualization of a crisis into an opportune moment in future . So they refer to Sarin gas or CW use against Syrian by regime in hypothetical terms and inserts a loaded closed end question to the audience . Any politician will be forced to respond with recoil and then be forced to offer a forceful response . We know what happened afterwards . Lo and behold ! Syria did exactly that until it was exposed to be a doctored evidence by Israeli Unit 800.

    Not long ago the redline on Iran was also introduced incrementally with lower threshold by Zionist . Initially it was enrichment capability . Later it was the capacity of mastering the fuel cycle .
    Despite the crass reference and undiplomatic gestures towards war with neighbors on dubious grounds , Oren dances around with the expression of longing for peace,safety,security of America and for ( an abstract ) Middle East . He will be the first person to call anyone antisemite if he were told Iraq war was orchestrated by people like him holding same views and having same passionate attachment to Israel and faith in violence as the way to solve problem.
    People often forget to see that war any war against Iran,Iraq,or Syria or even Saudi Arab after 911 was the desire and th game plan of the neocon to set Middle East on fire . Their idea was to set it on fire from any angle possible. The shibboleth and platitudes offered by the neocons that he or she fromthis or that camp of Zionism or Israel didn’t support Iraq war but wanted Iran tobe targeted exposed the casuistry based attempt to evade responobility

    . Why Iran ?
    Reason is same . Chaos and anger in ME .weakeing of government and creating cauldron from any angle and starting Shia Sunni fight while America loses its hold on the situation giving Israel perfect environment of attacks on its neighbors and on Palestine.
    It is a different type of red line . This redline is for America. Its a trap and America didn’t even know it . It sleepwalked and crossed it giving Israel the upper hand to say,to lie,to distort and demand,dictate,and build and mount assaults . After torture,war,violence all executed under false intelligence and arrogant disregard of truth , how could America ask Israel to be responsible ,honest,and normal? It can’t . Iraq or Iran or Syria -any war would achieve that paving the way or next war . If Syria were attacked instead of Iraq we would have been told that CW nd WMD had moved to Iraq .
    Their attitude could be compared to the serial rapist or murderer if he tried to evade conviction by saying that he or she didn’t want this particular victim but the one next still standing knowing fully well that the murder of the next would have produced the same aftermath but major gains for her or him .
    Despite the shrill call for violence against Iran no media have ever challenged the Zionist why they subscribeto that madness that had possible dire consequences for American when Fallon,Pace,Abizaid all have openly and Schenski included have raised objection out of the fear for consequences or legality .

  16. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    June 23, 2015, 12:28 am

    ““Obama’s attitudes toward Islam clearly stem from his personal interactions with Muslims. These were described in depth in his candid memoir, ‘Dreams from My Father,’” wrote Oren. “Obama wrote passionately of the Kenyan villages where, after many years of dislocation, he felt most at home and of his childhood experiences in Indonesia.”

    “I could imagine how a child raised by a Christian mother might see himself as a natural bridge between her two Muslim husbands. I could also speculate how that child’s abandonment by those men could lead him, many years later, to seek acceptance by their co-religionists.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/michael-oren-obama-muslim-roots-foreign-policy-essay-119282.html#ixzz3dr6PpkZZ

    ADL criticizes it as conspiracy but doesn’t condemn it as Muslim equivalent of ” Antisemitic ” canard .

    Oren is otherwise onto something that is well known but never explicitly said. Its the bridge. The understanding the mixing,the effort to share and know – that worries the Zionist. This is why there should be no dialogue between Iran and US, Hamas and US, Syria and US . Dialogue brings people together . Zionism thrives on conflicts of other .peace and understanding are existential threat to it..
    But beyond that hope, Oren like other neocon are trying to invalidate the moral and legal underpinnings of Obama’s action through use of the power of the explanation and analysis. He thinks he has provided Americans with the causes of Obama’s behaviors and now America should ignore him!

  17. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    June 23, 2015, 1:00 am

    No daylight and no surprise”

    How many times have Bush and Obama been caught off guard by Israeli behaviors,settlement building and spying ? How did Netanyahu arrange the congressional address ?

  18. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    June 23, 2015, 1:14 am

    Bernard Lewis must have shared his own apocalyptic view of the ” apocalyptic “view of Iran made by Bernard about Aug 22 of 2006 That was the date when Iran was supposed to have mounted a nuclear attack on Israel to force the return of 12 th Imam. It is ironic and pure perversion that the immoral illegal jingoistic utterances of Bernard didn’t cost him his job at Princeton. America has been slowly conditioned into accepting Goebblesesue agenda driven distortion as distilled analysed argument.

  19. Kay24
    Kay24
    June 23, 2015, 7:00 am

    I guess we will now see Oren’s smug face in the media peddling his lame book.

    I bet the MSM will lob soft balls at him and not ask any challenging questions about say his arrogant PM or the occupation/land theft/massacre in Gaza. Disgusting.

  20. just
    just
    June 23, 2015, 8:12 am

    An interesting article in The Guardian:

    “Former ambassador’s bizarre attack on Obama lays bare strains in US-Israeli ties

    It’s a peculiar feature of American relations with Israel that more than a few senior diplomats posted from Jerusalem to Washington were once US citizens. …

    …Oren defended the book to the Times of Israel as “a cri de coeur … for an alliance that should be in a much better place than it is”.

    Perhaps hoping to avoid giving more publicity to Oren’s book, the White House has so far declined to comment.”

    much more @ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/22/former-ambassador-book-obama-us-israeli-relationship

  21. rosross
    rosross
    June 23, 2015, 9:54 am

    Israelis are quite deranged. They have been for a long time living in that soup of Zionist bigotry and propaganda. They are, as most people in the world agree, a great danger to everyone including themselves.

  22. RobertHenryEller
    RobertHenryEller
    June 23, 2015, 10:20 am

    Millions of “Jews” are already lost to Zionism, as surely as millions of actual Jews were lost to Nazism.

    It is doubtful that the “Jews” of Israel can be saved. Zionism, not Iran, is Israel’s existential threat.

  23. RobertHenryEller
    RobertHenryEller
    June 23, 2015, 10:33 am

    “But I have no doubt that given the opportunity they will wipe us off the map.” – Oren

    There is much more evidence that, given the opportunity, Israel would wipe Iran off the map.

    And statements like Oren’s are precisely how Israel sets up the rationale for “pre-emptive” aggression.

  24. just
    just
    June 23, 2015, 11:02 am

    Thanks for both of your astute comments, Robert!

  25. yourstruly
    yourstruly
    June 23, 2015, 12:09 pm

    Michael Oren claims to be on a mission to save millions of Jews from a nuclear armed Iran, and never mind that Iran’s leadership has denied any intention of building nuclear weapons. Israel, on the other hand, actually has nuclear weapons, and has threatened to deploy them. So who’s going to same millions of Iranians from being wiped out should the colonial state use its nukes? Or don’t Iranian lives matter?

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      June 23, 2015, 3:42 pm

      If the Iranians really had a hankering for nuclear weapons, they could probably buy a few, or components, from Israeli sources. If nobody knows how many you have or can produce, who’s counting? And for some reason, Israel seems very very desirous that Iran have nukes. They’re always telling us the Iranians are this close to getting one.

  26. James Canning
    James Canning
    June 23, 2015, 5:43 pm

    All the Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank are illegal. A new UN resolution is needed, making clear the borders will be “1967” with some tweaks here and there.

  27. Peacekeeper
    Peacekeeper
    June 23, 2015, 7:43 pm

    Could you imagine anyone else who renounced his US citizenship getting air time on Fox News to criticize America?

  28. Citizen
    Citizen
    June 24, 2015, 10:26 am

    AIPAC’s exerting lots of pressure to kill Iran Deal, if there actually is one at end of this month:
    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-23/pro-israel-lobby-prepares-to-battle-obama-over-iran

    Anybody else tired of watching Bill Kristol pontificate on the cable news channels? I don’t get it–why is he treated by all as an American watchdog? Like Krauthhammer, he rarely speaks about his number one agenda: Israel First. And nobody ever asks him about that subject.

  29. Landie_C
    Landie_C
    June 24, 2015, 10:49 am

    Just FYI: Forward editor Jane Eisner goes after Michael Oren in today’s edition

    http://forward.com/opinion/editorial/310749/michael-oren-you-hardly-know-us/

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      June 24, 2015, 2:42 pm

      From the link to the Forward:

      “The pluralism Oren ridicules is by now built into the DNA of American Jews (except, perhaps, those who live in ultra-Orthodox enclaves.)”

      Looking more and more like the Orthodox are going to take the hit. Been an awful lot of singling them out lately.

      From the comments:

      “and another thing ..there,s this site mondoweiss…full on anti semitic nazi stuff dressed up as liberal whites in tights jews…avoid the negativity”

      • Landie_C
        Landie_C
        June 25, 2015, 2:03 pm

        Indeed, Mooser. It’s part of a denialist mindset, but it has its uses.

        On to today’s Forward. Hypocrisy, thy name is Hazony! Of all the people to be complaining about “noise machines”! Neocon symp David Hazony’s non-review has the temerity to complain about those who push back against Israel’s massive noise machine.

        http://forward.com/opinion/310818/how-michael-oren-got-blasted-by-the-washington-noise-machine/

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 25, 2015, 4:15 pm

        “Indeed, Mooser. It’s part of a denialist mindset, but it has its uses.”

        That may well be, I can’t deny it, but I must contend that any who come to Mondo in search of
        “full on anti semitic nazi stuff dressed up as liberal whites in tights jews” will probably be sorely disappointed.

  30. Kay24
    Kay24
    June 25, 2015, 7:43 am

    Former US Ambassador to Israel, Daniel Kurtzer, harshly criticizes Oren:

    “Former U.S. Ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer published a scathing rebuttal on his Facebook page to the criticism recently directed at the Obama administration by MK Michael Oren, and suggested Israel’s former ambassador to the U.S. was blatantly ignoring the facts to further his political career.

    “Oren is a well-trained historian,” wrote Kurtzer, “but his op-eds are replete with factual errors; and the judgments he derives from what he purports to be “facts” seem strange. Did he form judgments and then jerry-rig the facts to fit his case? It appears so, but that is what is so sad.”

    Kurtzer argued that Oren’s “astounding and confounding” statements show he failed to understand and carry out the responsibilities placed on him. “If Oren had been a politician during these years,” wrote Kurtzer, “then his views, however mistaken, would matter little. But part of his job was to help his own government understand us and our government, and we now see that he failed miserably on both counts.”

    “Can anyone imagine an American ambassador to Israel writing about Netanyahu what Oren has written about Obama, let alone working with the Israeli opposition party behind the back of the sitting prime minister, as Dermer has done with the Republicans?”

    Kurtzer also quipped that Oren “appears to be following in the footsteps of his successor, Ron Dermer, who has prized Israeli politics above the diplomacy that he was appointed to practice.”

    Oren has crossed the line and shown his true colors. He has lost any credibility he may have had, and all this to sell his book?

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