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A guerrilla-style documentary video produced by news organization AJ+ (which is part of the larger Al Jazeera Media Network) offers viewers a candid glimpse into the topsy-turvy world of American right-wing Christian Zionists (that is to say, Christians who believe God gave the land of historic Palestine to the Jewish people).

Host Dena Takruri visited a conservative summit in Iowa, where Christian Zionists, among other things, exposed their anti-Semitism on video.

The following are the particularly egregious excerpts from Takruri’s interviews:

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This is interesting. I wonder what happened to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Qatar, and Iraq.

An attendee also openly maintains that Iran plans on bombing the US.

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Another conservative claims the Iran nuclear deal—made explicitly to prevent Iran from having anywhere near the nuclear potential to create a nuclear bomb—is “gonna give them the pathway to the bomb.”

The interviewed Christian Zionists also claim that, if they do not support the Israeli government, God will abandon them.

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Significantly more American Christians (55%), and particularly white evangelical Christians (%82), believe God gave the land of historic Palestine to the Jewish people than American Jews themselves (just 40%).

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These same Christians, whose Zionism is rooted in Christianity, appear to be blissfully unaware of the existence of Palestinian Christians—one of, if not the oldest Christian population in the world.

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The most striking moment in the brief video, however, is when a Christian Zionist admits that his diehard support of Israel is ultimately rooted in a form of eschatological Christian anti-Semitism that sees Jews as future potential Christians. In this fundamentally anti-Semitic view, Christian Zionists believe Jesus will (imminently) return and, upon his Second Coming, Jews will either accept him as their savior or die and burn in Hell for all eternity.

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I have written before about the anti-Semitism that sits at the heart of Christian Zionism.

Evangelical pastor John Hagee, the leader of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), the US’ largest pro-Israel organization, with over two million members, adamantly reassured critics that his Christian Zionism is rooted in the idea that Jews who do not accept Jesus will be doomed to suffer in hellfire.

Hagee is a raging anti-Semite and Holocaust revisionist who called Hitler a “half-breed Jew” and who blames anti-Semitism on Jews. He is also a close ally of right-wing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli Ambassador to the US Ron Dermer, both of whom have spoken glowingly of CUFI at its annual summits.

As I wrote before:

Hagee, who thinks we are the last generation of humans, is no stranger to controversy. In late 2014, he claimed that Ebola (along with the civil rights protests in Ferguson and elsewhere) was God’s way of “punishing” America, because Obama was trying to “divide” Israel.

The pastor has even gone so far as to essentially defend Adolf Hitler.  In a 2005 sermon, Hagee asserted that God sent Hitler as a “hunter,” in order to “hunt them [Jews] from every mountain and from every hill and out of the holes of the rocks … to get them to come back to the land of Israel.”

Once again, these are the views of the leader of, in CUFI’s own words, “the largest pro-Israel organization in the United States with over two million members and one of the leading Christian grassroots movements in the world.”

The Washington Post indicates that CUFI “can boast that it has members from every congressional district in America.” Foreign Policy included John Hagee in its list of the 50 Republicans with the most influence on foreign policy. The evangelical Christian Zionist was a much sought-after figure by the Republican Party in the 2008 presidential election. He ended up endorsing John McCain.

While the Israeli government aligns itself with extreme right-wing Christian anti-Semites, progressive organization Jewish Voice for Peace publicly asks “Who will stand up against Hagee’s anti-Semitism?

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  1. on July 24, 2015, 10:23 am

    These folks think everyone who is not Christian will not be saved and thus not go to heaven and so they set out to convert non believers for their own good. All non Xians, not just Jews.

    Deluded? Absolutely in my view.

    Feel themselves superior to The Other? Sure.

    Specifically anti-Semitic? No. They treat Jews the same way as they treat all other non believers (other than their support for Jews “returning” to Israel to trigger the Apocalypse; a belief the Zionists are all too glad to exploit)

    • John Douglas on July 24, 2015, 1:42 pm

      RE: “Specifically ant-Semitic? No.” This is absolutely correct. To believe in the doctrines of one religion is, by logical necessity, to reject the contrary doctrines of other religions. Religious Jews reject the divinity of Jesus. Does that make them bigots? Of course not.

    • German Lefty on July 25, 2015, 11:47 am

      “Specifically anti-Semitic? No. They treat Jews the same way as they treat all other non-believers.”

      Totally correct! Another example: As an atheist, I reject the Jewish religion in the same way as all other religions. According to Norton’s logic, this would make me an anti-Semite.

    • brokebook on July 26, 2015, 12:06 am

      No fan of Zionist Evangelicalism here, but it’s interesting that Ben Norton detects what he calls ‘Anti-semitism’ in a Christian hope that Judaic folks will ‘see the light’ and by their own choice become followers of Christ. In contrast, Orthodox Judaism’s eschatology involves gratuitous force and violence in bringing people to ‘see the light.’

  2. joecatron on July 24, 2015, 10:36 am

    “In this fundamentally anti-Semitic view, Christian Zionists believe Jesus will (imminently) return and, upon his Second Coming, Jews will either accept him as their savior or die and burn in Hell for all eternity.”

    If you think it’s anti-Semitic for people to believe their religion is the right one and Judaism isn’t, you’re going to find yourself sharing a world with an awful, awful lot of anti-Semites, many of them neither Christians nor Zionists.

    And even if we accept some moral obligation for everyone to be religious liberals (I don’t), doesn’t anti-Semitism, by any sensible definition, require a particular focus on Jews, not a large majority of people that includes them?

    • Donald on July 24, 2015, 11:18 am

      You’re right. Theologically conservative Christians usually think everyone who doesn’t share their beliefs will end up in hell unless they get with the program. I had friends who thought baptism had to be by total immersion or you were going to hell. Some individual Christian Zionists may in fact be antisemitic based on other things they may happen to think, but this belief about who goes to hell isn’t limited to Jews.

      This misuse of the term antisemitism is not helpful.. I have also seen it employed by liberal Christians of the sort Braverman criticized here recently. The idea was that we should feel sorry for the Israelis because they have these uncouth rightwing Christians supporting them. It’s a cheap and easy politically correct way to blast the rightwing Christians and avoid talking about the real victims of Christian Zionist support for Israel– the Palestinians.

      • annie on July 24, 2015, 12:07 pm

        This misuse of the term antisemitism is not helpful.

        i agree completely it’s a misuse of the term anti semitism and i am somewhat relieved and surprised others are mentioning this in the comment section.

        i had copy/pasted a blockquote from the article to begin a conversation about that but it seems unnecessary now. but, i’ll go ahead and post it and say what i was going to say even tho others have said it.

        The most striking moment in the brief video, however, is when a Christian Zionist admits that his diehard support of Israel is ultimately rooted in a form of eschatological Christian anti-Semitism that sees Jews as future potential Christians. In this fundamentally anti-Semitic view, Christian Zionists believe Jesus will (imminently) return and, upon his Second Coming, Jews will either accept him as their savior or die and burn in Hell for all eternity.

        christians don’t just believe jews will go to hell if they don’t except jesus in the end, they think everyone who doesn’t accept jesus is doomed. but i don’t think that means they hate everyone who is not christian. i think that’s a fundamental misunderstanding of who christians are.

        furthermore, like a lot of people i think i’m right about things i believe in. not only that, i think eventually my opinions will prevail and more an more people will think like me — eventually. i think that about a range of topics. unlike christians i don’t believe everyone who doesn’t share my view will go to hell, but nonetheless i think it’s common for people to think that eventually the world will come around to seeing the world the way one does. and that doesn’t mean they hate everyone until they think like them.

        so, the idea christians are anti semitic because they think jews (or anyone) will eventually accept jesus is crazy. that’s just not what it means to hate someone or some people. it’s a fundamental misuse of the term anti semitism. and zionist jews know it too. because they have no problem interacting with christian zionists if it serves their cause — and they know what christian zionists believe.

        so i wish people would stop repeating it’s anti semitic to believe jews will eventually accept jesus. it’s an expression of ‘you’re a hater because you don’t accept me for who i am’, and that’s not generally the case. i’m not jewish and all my southern relatives think i’ll eventually accept jesus. heck, it doesn’t mean they hate me because (for the most part) i’m an atheist.

        people should reserve accusations and expressions of hatred for extreme measures.

      • can of worms on July 24, 2015, 2:20 pm

        I can’t even go as far as using ‘anti-Semitism’ itself without misuse.

        I sometimes get an uncanny conspiracy theory where The Elites got racism embedded in the very language I need to use to talk about racism. The language I use to talk about segregation has been segregated. I have schizophrenic episodes, where the Masses are all segregated…but I myself am in two or more segregated spaces overlapping each other.

        And I calm myself: come now Can of Worms, simply say, “racism against Jews” from now on – and just be done with it. But in fact, the word “racism” just doesn’t have the same ring to it! No, it sure doesn’t.

        And, then I followed you Annie from afar when you said that “jews choose to define racism against themselves with their own word [anti-Semitism;] people are free to use that term or not” ( But how can I be “free to use that term or not,” when it just pops out at you unawares ?

        In the end, I came to the point where I figured there are two ultimate good and rational reasons to keep on using ‘anti-Semitism’: one, it distinguishes it from racism – which is against blacks. That’s an obvious plus. And, two, it latches you to the Holocaust and the Jewish State idea like a forgotten dogleash.

        But when I safely settled that, some of Them came and concocted another type of racism, and called it “Islamophobia”. It not coincidentally rhymed with homophobia and claustrophobia. I’m sure They did that to spite me. Sometimes it even sounds natural in a sentence, when I try it on for size.

        In my darker moments I secretly ask myself whenever I choose that word “freely”, why in the name of earth I need it, substituting for “racism against Muslims”.

      • annie on July 24, 2015, 4:29 pm

        But how can I be “free to use that term or not,” when it just pops out at you unawares ?

        it rarely pops out unawares for me, not that i can recall.

        And I calm myself: come now Can of Worms, simply say, “racism against Jews” from now on – and just be done with it. But in fact, the word “racism” just doesn’t have the same ring to it! No, it sure doesn’t.

        we’re trained or programmed into having more fear for being accused of one over the other. wrt “racism against Jews”, my advice would be to skip the “jew” or “jewish” in your usage. iow, if someone says something derogatory against jewish people that is clearly racist.. just says that’s racist or that’s bigoted… just as you would say if someone used the n word. you wouldn’t say “that’s racism against blacks” now would you? there’s a certain privileged position for the denoting of certain kinds of racism — and that itself is racist. (maybe that’s what you meant by “talk about segregation has been segregated.”)

        anyway, just don’t use it if you don’t like it. bigotry sucks.

      • Donald on July 24, 2015, 2:50 pm

        Annie–I agree with all that. Interesting how several of us had similar reactions.

      • annie on July 24, 2015, 4:18 pm

        yes, very interesting donald.

      • can of worms on July 24, 2015, 5:07 pm

        @“anyway, just don’t use it if you don’t like it. bigotry sucks.”

        Somehow it just seems we keep on using the very things we don’t specially like, and that aren’t in our better interests to use. The struggle for justice and power in Palestine begins with black consciousness – surely .

        @ “bigotry sucks”. And Zionism kills. And so we struggle against it. Rejecting “homophobia” or, say, “anti-Semitism” and choosing “racism”, sometimes, is a part of becoming *conscious*. That’s what we are tryin to do.

      • Brewer on July 24, 2015, 5:11 pm

        @ can of worms.
        Thank you. I have been mining a similar vein:

        What is there in the term “Anti-semitism” that is not contained within the term we use to condemn acts or utterances aimed at a person’s ethnic identity ie. Racism?
        Is there an act or utterance that is a wrong when applied to Jews but not wrong when applied to any other race or creed? If so surely this entails that Jews are a special case which would seem to be a form of racism in itself.

        I think this is an important question.
        – See more at:


        The point I’m trying to make here is that the term “anti-Semitism” was adopted with alacrity by Zionists and promoted to put the spur to immigration. I think it was Herzl who said that antisemitism could be harnessed to the Zionist cause. The article indicates that it is still being used in this way. Although an anti-Semitic action is fully described by the term “racism”, that term (racism) could not be applied in the manner used above. In my view, the proper response to an accusation of anti-Semitism is to ask the accuser if he/she is implying that the accused is racist. This puts a whole new complexion on the argument. – See more at:

        I think it is a very interesting topic. Since first recognizing this fallacy in “anti-Semitism”, the concept has become, for me, an illogical one, a falsely constructed “meme” that has taken root in public consciousness where it has caused much confusion.

      • can of worms on July 24, 2015, 5:57 pm

        @Brewer “taken root in [our] consciousness” — Thanks—

        And I sure can tell you one thing: we’ve been using “homophobia” for say fifteen years now, meanwhile racism against Muslims has only been getting worse and worse and worse and worse. So becoming fully conscious won’t do no harm. I can tell you that.

      • RoHa on July 24, 2015, 9:48 pm

        Brewer, from the way the term “anti-Semitic” is used, it is clearly intended to deflect any criticism of Israel, Jews In general, groups of Jews, or any individual approved Jew. (“Self hating” Jews not included.) The deflection turns the argument away from the important question of whether the criticism is true or justified by accusing the critic of insufficient love for Jews. (Apparently we are morally obliged not merely not to hate Jews, but to actively love them.)

        Thus, the accusation of anti-Semitism is a form of argumentum ad hominem.

        “In my view, the proper response to an accusation of anti-Semitism is to ask the accuser if he/she is implying that the accused is racist.”

        In my opinion the proper response is a contemptuous snort, indicating a rejection of this fraudulent moral bullying and a refusal to be diverted from the important question.

      • can of worms on July 24, 2015, 11:45 pm

        edit: “islamophobia” I should say, thinking of the orientalism in every syllable of it.

      • can of worms on July 25, 2015, 1:26 am

        @ Worms – there you go, in the same breath – that nasty little meme “conspiracy theory”. For shame. And for shame, too, on everybody that’s standing there and didn’t catch you out on it!

        Never more – just promise me can of worms – not even in laughter, never use those two words in my hearing ever again. All those outspoken skeptics of government narratives deserve a hell lot of respect from mice the likes of you. And in the same breath!

      • ziusudra on July 25, 2015, 5:20 am

        Greetings Annie Robbins,
        Hail them, the latter day Christian Zionist followers of zeolot
        Oliver Cromwell. They’ll one day see the light & convert to Christianity, if not………

    • FreddyV on July 24, 2015, 11:45 am

      I’d say that the role the Jews play in the “end times” beliefs held by these people is certainly antisemitic.

      In order for Christ to return, 2/3rds of the Jews have to be slaughtered with the remainder replacing the raptured Christians by converting to Christianity and evangelising the earth. Most Dispensationalist Christians either won’t admit to this or aren’t taught it.

      Whilst the majority of those believing in premilllenial theology still believe in witnessing the Gospel to Jews, branches are of the opinion that it is unnecessary to preach to Jews as they receive Divine revelation of Jesus before they die and are converted anyway.

      • joecatron on July 24, 2015, 12:30 pm

        “Most Dispensationalist Christians either won’t admit to this or aren’t taught it.”

        That seems like a direct contradiction of the sentence immediately preceding it.

      • FreddyV on July 25, 2015, 10:42 am

        @Joe Catron:

        Its not a contradiction at all, but I admit that I wasn’t being clear.

        People who hold to Dispensational teachings aren’t given the full story. They get a overview of supporting Israel until they are Raptured up to heaven, then the Jews will go through “The Time of Jacob’s Trouble” (this is when 2/3rds of Israel get wiped out). Eventually they will “look upon the One that they had pierced”, meaning those remaining Jews who survive the slaughter.

        In other words, they get the soft version. If the full story were openly discussed and understood, I believe many adherents would turn away from this belief.

      • joecatron on July 26, 2015, 7:53 am

        I sense you aren’t familiar with evangelical churches or how they work, FreddyV. They aren’t occult orders, and have no “secret doctrines. ” You’re told everything, whatever it is, right up front.

      • FreddyV on July 27, 2015, 9:17 am

        I’m actually very familiar with them in the UK. My father in law runs one. Polite language is often employed to skirt around such future events and when people are pressed on them, there is a great tendency to adopt vague theological positions so as to avoid such beliefs being challenged.

    • wondering jew on July 24, 2015, 11:50 am

      Do not pretend that Christianity does not have a specific attitude towards Jews and Judaism beyond any other belief system? it was born out of Judaism and its attitude towards Judaism is thus special and in fact antagonistic. The recent (1965) popes have tried to rewrite this subtext of the New testament and refer to the Jews as elder brothers, but it isn’t there in the text.

      If I approach you and you have a bible in your hand (not as a book to be studied but as a text to be revered), meaning a new testament and an old testament, odds are you harbor anti Jewish attitudes just from the text in your hand. you believe you know the messiah and you know that i come from the tradition that rejected the redeemer. this is a tension inherent in the birth of Christianity.

      The meeting place of American civil society is the best atmosphere for Jewish believers to meet Christian believers: the public square of America. The meeting place of support for Israel is a very confusing place for this meeting. I know why right wing supporters of Israel find some kind of solace in such support, but it seems very tangled to me. It is also unavoidable considering the current level of “Whose side are you on?” rhetoric. Allies will be found in all camps, wherever.

      • joecatron on July 24, 2015, 12:55 pm

        “it was born out of Judaism”

        “i come from the tradition that rejected the redeemer”

        These claims hinge very much on how loose your definitions of Judaism, and for that matter Christianity, are. Jacob Neusner, probably the foremost academic scholar of Judaism in the world today (and certainly the most published), takes the opposite tack, claiming that Christianity emerged in the form we recognize today before what we consider Judaism.

        We can all agree that both religions have innovated significantly, although at times in very different ways, over the millennia since anyone practiced the religion of the ancient Hebrews. It’s also clear enough that Christianity’s major innovations preceded those of Judaism by centuries.

        The rest is really semantics (and better left to more learned scholars than me!).

      • Donald on July 24, 2015, 2:48 pm

        I agree that there is a 2000 year history of antisemitism, but it is unfair and inaccurate to accuse a Christian Zionist of antisemitism because he thinks everyone (and that means everyone) should become a Christian or face hell in the afterlife.

        The doctrine of hell has been the justification for many atrocities–heretics were seen as worse than murderers because their mistaken teachings would lead people to hell. So it seemed logical to jail or execute them. But I am not going to hold a modern day American fundamentalist who really does believe in freedom of religion responsible for the crimes committed by some Christians in the past.

        There are plenty of other reasons for being critical of rightwing Christianity and Christian Zionism. We don’t need to invent any or attribute someone else’s crimes to them.

      • on July 24, 2015, 3:37 pm

        “Do not pretend that Christianity does not have a specific attitude towards Jews and Judaism beyond any other belief system? ”

        Yonah comes out of the school of thought that the organizing principle of the entire non-Jewish world is hatred of Jews. Daniel Goldenhagen is a well known proponent of this philosophy

      • wondering jew on July 24, 2015, 7:11 pm

        In response to Giles- the example of Goldhagen with its specifics of German extermination of Jews is totally non appropriate to my statement here. I do not think that annihilationist impulses are endemic to the new testament. I think there is a natural tension between believing Jews and believing Christians given the content of the new testament. Those believing Christians who are able to distance themselves from certain verses of the new testament are in my mind similar to those Jews who are able to distance themselves from certain verses of the old testament. (actually there are entire chapters and even books in the old testament that need distancing.)

        I think any attempt to understand European history between 1881 and 1945 without accepting the role played by Jew hatred is ignorant.

        And I think anyone who reads the comments section of MW without accepting the role played by Jew hatred is also ignorant.

        I think that the Jew hatred expressed by anti zionists is really besides the point. israel has to get itself set up with the Palestinians in some workable modus operandi different from its situation today and the Jew hatred expressed by anti zionists is really besides the point and a distraction from the work that needs to be accomplished. so to that extent the jew hatred in the comments section works against the zionists. it makes zionists think and say to themselves, “You see they hate us.” well, in fact if this comments section is any reflection of the hard core of the anti zionist movement then in fact, there is a large percentage (more than 10%) of jew haters in the ranks of the anti zionists. but the fact is that despite that israel has got to get its game together and change things and focusing on the jew hatred of some of the anti zionists is besides the point. israel needs to get its game together.

      • annie on July 25, 2015, 3:03 am

        did you just say ‘jew hatred’ a dozen times in one comment?

      • tokyobk on July 24, 2015, 7:40 pm



        Goldenhagen’s thesis is that the German people in specific and much of pre-war Europe generally had within it enough animosity towards Jews that they served as “willing executioners” rather than gullible dupes of Hitler and his regime.

        The people that talk the most about “pre-truamatic syndrome” etc… are mostly Jew-hobbiests, not any serious or informed people, Jewish and not-Jewish.

        Antisemitism, like any other idea, should be studied as much as possible in light of history not to suit the needs of Zionists or anti-Zionisists. Its impossible to remove presentism and politics form any history but we should, I think, try.

      • annie on July 25, 2015, 11:43 am

        tokyobk, Raul Hilberg (“widely considered to be the world’s preeminent[1][2][3] scholar of the Holocaust, and his three-volume, 1,273-page magnum opus, The Destruction of the European Jews, is regarded as a seminal study of the Nazi Final Solution”) said of Goldhagen’s theory “totally wrong about everything” and “worthless”.[3][4]

        contradicts the thesis advanced by Daniel Goldhagen that the ferocity of German anti-Semitism is sufficient as an explanation for the Holocaust; Hilberg noted that anti-Semitism was more virulent in Eastern Europe than in the Third Reich itself. Hilberg criticized Goldhagen’s scholarship, which he called poor (“his scholarly standard is at the level of 1946”) and he was even harsher concerning the lack of primary source or secondary literature competence at Harvard by those who oversaw the research for Goldhagen’s book. Hilberg said, “This is the only reason why Goldhagen could obtain a PhD in political science at Harvard. There was nobody on the faculty who could have checked his work.” This remark has been echoed by Yehuda Bauer. Conversely, Hilberg was supportive of Norman Finkelstein’s book The Holocaust Industry, which he endorsed “with specific regard” to Finkelstein’s work…..[44]

        the book was written, as i’m sure you’re aware, in response to christopher browning’s ordinary men.

      • tokyobk on July 24, 2015, 8:14 pm

        This is a case of an author not understanding his audience.

        Norton obviously thinks that there is such a thing as anti-semtisim (that can have its own label).
        He thinks anti-Semitism is ipso-facto a bad thing.
        He thinks that by calling Zionists “bad” people here, and pinning the tail on the Christian Zionists he will earn support and praise here.

        But, if he stuck around the comment section he would “learn” from the scholars and historians and human rights activists here that:

        Anti-semitism was not endemic to pre-war Europe.
        Anti-semitism in fact does not even need to be a term because its just another bigotry. In fact its anti-gentile to use the term anti-semitic.
        Where it did exist (if) it has a rational context and explanation and by the way, everybody was hated by everybody anyway.
        Where it does exist (Jewish schools getting shot up or Jews murdered in grocery stores) its not a priority.

      • Donald on July 24, 2015, 10:57 pm

        Tokyobk, you are making unfair generalizations about people here. Many or maybe most of us agree that antisemitism is real, existed in Europe and so on. You’d have to be a lunatic to deny it. If you have particular lunatics you want to criticize, name them , but don’t act as though all the criticism of what Norton wrote is based on a denial that antisemitism existed and played an enormous role in Western history, I wouldn’t dream of denying it–I just don’t think it is accurate to throw the accusation around in a careless fashion.

        I grew up as a Christian Zionist and I can tell you quite a few of us as teenagers read this book “the Hiding Place” a true story (or I assume so since I haven’t checked) about a Christian Dutch family that hid Jews from the Nazis. These were the sorts of people we thought of as heroes. Now one thing about that which is not admirable about evangelicals is that we always seemed to know these stories where someone in our group was a hero–we weren’t told about the darker side of our faith tradition. My father was amused by someone in his Sunday school class for adults who was shocked to discover that Calvin plotted to have Servetus come to Geneva so he could be tried and executed. And we never talked about the long history of Christian antisemitism, unless maybe we could blame it all on the Catholics. Though in more liberal churches we did talk about that. Anyway, my point is that I know some of this from the inside and yeah, some Christians are bigots about Jews–over my life I’ve heard a few examples. But some guy who thinks that the end times are near and who expects Israel to play a huge role and who expects Jews to convert to Christianity when they see the book of Revelation happening in front of them–well, he has a rather odd set of beliefs, but the chief victims of those beliefs are Palestinians, who only exist in that theology as the enemies of Israel and therefore of God, unless they choose to side with Israel.

        The beliefs could also be dangerous to Israeli Jews, if this alliance of rightwing Christians and Jews leads them to drive Israel right over a cliff.

      • on July 25, 2015, 9:12 am

        “Jew hatred” has replaced “anti-Semitism” as the propaganda term of choice in the past couple of years. It seemed to come out of nowhere (indicating it was no accident but rather part of a strategy)

        Better shock value. Familiar too in that it sounds a bit like the classic “self-hating Jew” accusation (as an aside, why are there no self hating Poles, Japanese, Peruvians, Irish, etc.?)

        I wonder, did Frank Luntz come up with this?

        I looked into it but of course found nada.

        While the professional propagandists sprinkle the term liberally in their screeds, amateur hasbarists like Yonah tend to over do it.

        His closing paragraph containing five sentences, each employing the term once.

      • dgfincham on July 25, 2015, 1:19 pm

        Jesus was a Jew, all the Apostles were Jews, most of the writers of the New Testament were Jews. Negative remarks about Jews in the New Testament apply to (1) those Jewish leaders (the Pharisees and Temple priests) whom Jesus believed were distorting the true meaning of Judaism; (2) to those who collaborated with the Roman authorities to put Jesus to death; and (3) to those Jews who actively opposed Christian evangelism. Remember also that in Christian theology the death of Jesus was necessary for the salvation of the world, and that a fundamental command of Christianity is that we should love our enemies and do good to those who persecute us. Remember also that the dying Jesus prayed to his Father that those involved in his death should receive forgiveness.

        No, I do not harbor anti-Jewish attitudes from the New Testament, and I have never met a Christian who does.

        Incidentally, the same applies to the Quran: negative remarks about Jews refer to those Jews who actively campaigned against Mohammad and his followers, especially those Jews who made themselves enemies of God by joining forces with the polytheistic religious establishment in Mecca, who were persecuting the Muslims.

        The root of all racism lies in biology: humans are closely related to chimpanzees who form tribal groups and compete for resources with neighboring groups. Racism is in our genes. That does not mean we are stuck with it, because humans can develop cultures that overcome our primitive instincts. I suggest that Christian culture has done more to overcome racism (e.g MLK) than Jewish culture (e.g racism against Arabs in present day Israel).

        Antisemitism arose in Medieval Europe, I suggest, for two main reasons. First, the Jews were a clearly identifiable minority (the genetic effect) and second, jealousy of Jews being allowed to be money-lenders, some becoming very rich as a result, whereas Christians were not, ironically because of a prohibition in the Old Testament.

      • wondering jew on July 25, 2015, 2:09 pm

        in reaction to Giles and the semantics. in fact the regular term for opposition to the Jews is antisemitism. but we have been told that this term concocted in the minds of central europe to refer to jews, is not specific to jews and refers to others as well and to find a different phrase. as far as i can tell from reading a little yiddish and hanging out with adults who were closer to the pre american experience, the primary term for haters of jews was sonei yisroel or hater of israel. because of the goal of avoiding confusing hatred of jews with the hatred of the country israel, the traditional term would not work here. so the two terms: Wilhelm Marr’s term and the traditional term are not really available for use.

        i prefer the term anti semitism to jew hatred because it is a phrase that avoids the loaded word “hatred” and can merely mean opposition to jewish interests. sometimes in certain situations the jews as an economic or demographic cultural entity have specific interests in a given society (or in the international scene). and the antisemite who is proud of the term announces: i am opposed to those interests. thus if jews want admissions tests in 1920’s poland that admit them into schools without quota system and thus limit the number of places available to the nonjewish poles, then to oppose this policy is anti Jewish. (it also speaks to fairness, but in fact the opposition of jews to quotas and the jewish neoconservative opposition to affirmative action stemmed from anti jewish quotas in other countries in recent history.)

        religions have their own concepts of redemption and heaven and these concepts can be downright insulting some times. easter and christmas were times of the year when christian anti jewish hooliganism was a factor that jews considered when they went home late at night in eastern europe. thank god america is far more modern regarding openness to other religions. In a modern society the inherent tensions that exist between christianity and judaism can be discussed calmly or heatedly in the public square or on talk shows or podcasts. modern times are great.

        i wish to assert again: the need for israel to fix its relationship with the Palestinians is essential. the animus expressed towards the jewish religion and the jewish perspective that one finds in post nationalistic post religious western societies that nurture the anti zionist movement are in fact interesting and worthy of study or thought. but they are not of the essence. it is a distraction from the need of the zionists to look reality in the face and figure out how to fix their relationship with the Palestinians.

      • Keith on July 25, 2015, 8:02 pm

        TOKYOBK- “This is a case of an author not understanding his audience.”

        What a pathetic excuse for you to once again launch unsubstantiated ad hominem accusations against other Mondoweiss commenters. By the way, I am still waiting for you to back up your accusation that I compiled “Jew lists.” You did this in the same paragraph where you brought up that some of your relatives had been killed during World War II by the ensatzgruppen. I assume that you said “Jew lists” instead of a listing of Jews (which I don’t recall in any event) in order to conflate me with the Nazi ensatzgruppen, a thoroughly despicable and dishonest act on your part. All you seem to do is to make unsubstantiated allegations of anti-Semitism utilizing ad hominem arguments against strawmen of your own creation. What scholarly works have you ever referenced besides your defense of Daniel Goldhagen? According to Norman Finkelstein, “The historical evidence for a murderous Gentile impulse is nil. Daniel Goldhagen’s ponderous effort to prove one variant of this claim in “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” barely rose to the comical.” (p49, The Holocaust Industry)

        Why are you so obsessed with anti-Semitism while avoiding serious discussion except to claim that Gentiles who ask questions or have opinions that differ from your myth-history are essentially anti-Semites? It seems to me that you are emphasizing the Jewish side of your family tree in order to maintain your status in your Jewish club where you rub elbows with your Ashkenazi brethren while eating good food and drinking fine wine, basking in the reflective glow of a shared sense of Jewish suffering. Gilded victimhood. Sure beats the alternative doesn’t it? But is it necessary to be so dishonest?

      • annie on July 25, 2015, 11:18 pm

        scholars and historians and human rights activists here that:

        Anti-semitism was not endemic to pre-war Europe.
        Anti-semitism in fact does not even need to be a term because its just another bigotry. In fact its anti-gentile to use the term anti-semitic.
        Where it did exist (if) it has a rational context and explanation and by the way, everybody was hated by everybody anyway.
        Where it does exist (Jewish schools getting shot up or Jews murdered in grocery stores) its not a priority.

        are you an angry man tokyobk?

      • Mooser on July 26, 2015, 12:50 pm

        “The root of all racism lies in biology: humans are closely related to chimpanzees who form tribal groups and compete for resources with neighboring groups. Racism is in our genes.”

        That’s the best excuse you can come up with “Racism is in our genes”?

        Oh, give me a break. Okay, Mr “Racism is in our genes”, let me ask you, how many shades of skin-color difference (on the standard PMS color scale) do people need to see to kick off their genetic racism? Imagine coming home from a vacation in warmer climes with a nice tan and being enslaved by your own family. That’s genetics!

      • dgfincham on July 26, 2015, 4:28 pm

        Is racism in our genes? I do not mean that there is a single gene for racism: genes work together in very complicated ways. It would be better to talk about natural or instinctive behavior. It is natural for people to feel tribal loyalties, and to be suspicious and hostile to people who obviously belong to a different tribe (not only or mainly based on skin color). That is why human beings have nationalism and war. It has been there throughout human history. It is part of our biology.

        That is why the Bible says we should welcome the stranger. It is not a natural thing to do: we have to be told to do it. That is why Jesus said “love your enemies, and do good to those who persecute you.” It is against our nature, we have to learn how to do it. Why did the ancient Jews “have no dealing with Samaritans”. Because they were different, believing different things about God. That is why Jesus told the story of the Good Samaritan, to teach us that our common humanity should trump our tribalism. Ayotollah Khamenei is a very religious person: that is why he says possession of nuclear weapons is a grave sin. Netanyahu is a tribalist, that it why he loves nuclear weapons and is itching for war with Iran. He knows nothing of true religion, unless you count Zionism as a religion. (If so, it is a false, atheistic and idolatrous religion along the lines of National Socialism and Soviet Communism.)

      • Mooser on July 26, 2015, 12:53 pm

        “in reaction to Giles and the semantics.”

        Don’t worry, Yonah! No one will ever accuse you of being anti-semantic! Heck no, they’ll have to fight me if they do!

      • Mooser on July 26, 2015, 1:19 pm

        BTW, as the human genome has been completely mapped, anybody who says racism has a genetic basis should be able to point to the genes which produce racism.

      • quercus on July 27, 2015, 7:47 am

        And it is not anti gentile to make the claim you are a ‘chosen’ people? The whining is particularly tieresome, Mr. Fredman.

        The animosity between Jews and what was originally a Jewish cult later called Christianity began early in Christianity’s history. DO NOT forget that Judaism was a recognized religion by the Romans whereas Christianity at first was not and as such it did not have the protection afforded to Judaism. The early persecutors of Christians were in fact other Jews. The story of Saul of Tarsus, who later became the apostle Paul and who was one of those early persecutors and haters of Christianity is a well known example. I believe some parts of the text in the New Testament reflects an ongoing and reciprocal dislike of Jews and Christians.

        The fortunes of Christians and Jews, however, reversed themselves when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire, and the persecuted became the persecutors. Pay back’s a bitch as some like to say.

        While we are on this early history, let’s make it very clear that the Romans did not destroy Jerusalem or prosecute a war against Jews because they were Jews but because they had the unmitigated temerity to attempt rebellion. The Romans did not tolerate that behavior. They crucified somewhere around 5,000 slaves after the Spartacan rebellion.

        There is an unfortunate propensity on the part of some Jews such as yourself to call out the bad behavior of non Jews while ignoring the equally ugly and noxious behavior of their fellow Jews.

    • tokyobk on July 24, 2015, 7:33 pm

      Joe —

      Do you believe that Jews believing (in various ways) that they are God’s Chosen just represents another religious choice (theirs is the right one) or is that somehow distinct, and a form of prejudice against non-Jews?

      • joecatron on July 24, 2015, 10:30 pm

        I think that those who come from traditions that are both theologically exclusivist and socially unversalist, like Christianity or Islam, will often find one, such as Judaism, that instead combines theological exclusivism and social particularism a bit jarring.

        For that matter, many American Christians, at least, have a hard time wrapping their head around other particularist religions that don’t aspire to convert everybody. These differences often pose a challenge to those who haven’t studied them in depth. Modern liberal pretensions that all religions are basically the same (and no religious claim is more absurd than that one!) don’t necessarily help.

        But distinct or not, I don’t think there’s a basis for saying one of these approaches is objectively better than the others – unless, as I said, someone thinks theirs is the right one, like billions in fact do.

      • Mooser on July 26, 2015, 12:58 pm

        “Modern liberal pretensions that all religions are basically the same (and no religious claim is more absurd than that one!)”

        That’s right! There’s a big difference between those religions which can get God to listen to prayers, intercede in human affairs, reveal the future, and forgive sin, not to mention guaranteeing eternal life, and those religions that, well, can’t.

        So make sure, when picking your religion, to choose well.

      • dgfincham on July 26, 2015, 1:30 pm

        intercede =>> intervene

      • Mooser on July 27, 2015, 11:19 am

        “intercede =>> intervene”

        Nonsense, a scurrilous implication! I haven’t given myself an intervenous injection for years!

      • joecatron on July 28, 2015, 7:13 am

        Mooser, you are an excellent example of “those who haven’t studied them in depth” (or, perhaps, at all). I suggest you pick up a book on comparative religions. Any will do for a start.

      • Mooser on July 28, 2015, 11:51 am

        “Mooser, you are an excellent example of “those who haven’t studied them in depth” (or, perhaps, at all).”

        Huh? Absurd! Look, it’s pretty simple. When choosing a religion, choose the one which works for you. I should think a religion’s ability to deliver on its promises should be easy enough to determine without years of study. Shoot, make a spread-sheet, do a little research, crunch some numbers, do some physics and some metaphysics and a little transgendersubstantiation (nudge-nudge, wink-wink!) and religion of your choice should be easy to determine. Google, in this as in so many things, is your friend.
        Easier than deciding which mid-size 4-door sedan to purchase, by a long shot. Especially if you include all them foreign cars. Of course, that’s a choice when it comes to religion, too, A daring person could cast off all ecumenical passive restraints and choose one of those sectsy foreign 2-door sports models.

  3. David Doppler on July 24, 2015, 11:16 am

    In contrast to the numb-skulled outlook portrayed here – Likud’s coalition of dim bulbs – the NYTimes has an opinion piece up today actually quoting some of the Gatekeepers, the Israeli security establishment figures who know too much to drink Likud Kool-Aid: [former heads of Mossad, Shin Bet, IDF Intelligence, etc.]

    Netanyahu’s slim hold on power is an ongoing disgrace, elevating fear and stupidity over realism and intelligence. Power has been put in the hands of highly destructive and deceptive fear-mongers, and is kept there by all the skills of mass manipulation of mob opinion. Chutzpah is pursuit of unattainable goals, unsustainable dynamics, is lauded as heroism and leadership. More rational voices are not given permission to speak, and when they do, there is no echo chamber.

    I call on the News Hour to ferret out these voices, and give them some oxygen, because angry Republican Senators reading quotes written for them by AIPAC in order to solidify their fundraising plans are no more illuminating than these CUFI interviews. Shallow people repeating what they hear their crowd saying, as if its validity is given. “It says so right in the Torah. What else is there to talk about?”

  4. Stephen Shenfield on July 24, 2015, 11:52 am

    There is a controversy among Christian fundamentalists concerning so-called “dual covenant theology.” This is the belief that only Gentiles need Jesus to be saved because we Jews already have a share in the world to come thanks to our own covenant with the Almighty. Remember that pretty rainbow he sent us after the flood to promise he won’t do it again?

    The relevance of this is that although Hagee denies it when challenged he has made statements that accord with dual covenant theology. So although he might not qualify as an anti-Semite he can still be exposed and burned at the stake as a heretic!

    • joecatron on July 24, 2015, 12:21 pm

      Hagee takes this silliness far enough to land him firmly in the camp of heresy, without much exposure by any outside parties. A devout Muslim is theologically closer to orthodox Christianity than he is.

      • Marnie on July 25, 2015, 12:48 am

        This was an excellent debate from the 1980s I think. I can’t imagine that Hr. Hagee would ever put himself in a position to be so utterly demolished by exposing his own biblical ignorance.

  5. Nevada Ned on July 24, 2015, 12:58 pm

    The attitude of some Christians towards Israeli Jews is best described as “Filosemitism”: liking the Jews because the 1948 restoration of Israel is proof that we are living in the End Times.
    The Messiah (Jesus) is just about to return.

    By way of disclosure, I should add that I grew up in a Protestant Christian family, and as a child I thought it “obvious” that Catholics were mistaken.

    I also thought (as a child) that Jews were mistaken for not recognizing the “obvious fact” that Jesus was the Messiah.

    As a teenager, I thought about what did or did not make sense to me.

    I became an atheist, and the antics of John Hagee has given me no reason to regret my decision.

    The political impact of religion is ambiguous. Often it’s reactionary, but not always.

    • John Douglas on July 24, 2015, 1:55 pm

      RE: “By way of disclosure, I should add that I grew up in a Protestant Christian family, and as a child I thought it “obvious” that Catholics were mistaken.”

      That’s great. I grew up a in a Roman Catholic family. When an also-Catholic friend was hassled for his religion by an older ‘protestant’ boy, I said, “But didn’t you tell him that God started your religion and Henry VII started his?” The case was open and shut!

      • RoHa on July 24, 2015, 7:39 pm

        Indeed it was. CofE is the obvious choice. A religion started by a vague sky-monster cannot be as classy as a religion started by the King of England. (VIII, not VII)

      • dgfincham on July 25, 2015, 1:55 pm

        Henry XVIII was given the title “Defender of the Faith” by the Pope, and it is still carried by Her Majesty the Queen. (If you have British coin at hand, you will see the letters FD). He did not start the Protestant religion, that was Martin Luther and John Calvin. Henry VIII broke away from Rome in order to be able to divorce his wives without Papal approval, and to steal the wealth of the monasteries, thus breaking the separation of church and state. Although the theology of the English church was influenced by protestant ideas, its official documents base it upon the catholic creeds, and never use the word ‘protestant’. It is a ‘broad church’; its membership covers a wide range from evangelical protestants to ‘more catholic that the Pope’. If you attend a Eucharist at an Anglican church (Episcopal in the US) and then Mass at a Roman Catholic church, you will find the ethos of the worship to be very similar.

      • RoHa on July 25, 2015, 11:47 pm

        Yes, but CofE is still usually counted as Protestant, and, as Henry VIII and Queen Victoria showed, English monarchs outrank God.

      • Mooser on July 26, 2015, 1:01 pm

        “English monarchs outrank God.”

        Maybe English Monarchs outrank God, but English colonial officers can get close, becoming a CMG (Call me God) or a GCMG (God calls me God)

  6. Steve Grover on July 24, 2015, 1:13 pm

    Why don’t you talk to Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein of before you knock Christian Friends of Jews who believe everyone must accept Christ as their savior before they can be saved. Even though they believe this, they seem to have a great deal of respect towards Judaism because of the descendancy of their religion from Judaism. There are historical roots of this attitude in American Christianity.

    • Mooser on July 24, 2015, 7:41 pm

      “because of the descendancy”

      “descendancy”? Must be the opposite of ‘ascendancy’.

      • Citizen on July 25, 2015, 8:21 am

        @ Mooser

  7. W.Jones on July 24, 2015, 2:07 pm

    As Annie Robbins explained, the belief that everybody needs to accept Jesus as Messiah/Masih not in particular anti-semitic, since for example many Jews have accepted this teaching in Christianity and Islam throughout the centuries.

    This Christian Zionist belief is however inherently inimical to the Israeli system, according to whose immigration laws if one accepts Christianity then one can no longer be considered legally Jewish.

    • echinococcus on July 24, 2015, 5:24 pm

      This Christian Zionist belief is however inherently inimical to the Israeli system, according to whose immigration laws if one accepts Christianity then one can no longer be considered legally Jewish.

      Inimical? No. There is no enmity. The Xian Zionists are not asking for citizenship of the fake state. All these suckers are allowed to is to support the Zionist entity. Their reward is supposed to be some pie in the sky. Only.

  8. Kay24 on July 24, 2015, 2:19 pm

    The world “naive” comes to mind. These foolish Christian zionists are showing their ignorance by suggesting that Jews will convert to Christianity. I wonder if they realize that their precious Jews have attacked and burnt Churches, showing their hatred for Christians. In fact the graffiti reads” Jesus is garbage”. Yeah they love Christians all right. Israel is one of the racist nations in the world.


  9. glaikit on July 24, 2015, 3:37 pm

    According to the ADL website “Jewish “Control” of the Federal Reserve:
    A Classic Anti-Semitic Myth” and here’s a video of Hagee saying exactly that

    • Citizen on July 25, 2015, 8:25 am

      Is it anti-semitic or just jewish geography to list the historical heads of the Federal Reserve and notice a pattern?

  10. MichaelSmith on July 24, 2015, 4:31 pm

    The question I’ve always had about this is whether the warm feelings Christian Zionists profess towards the Jews and Israel are the foreground and apocalyptic ideas about the ingathering of Jews in Israel as a prelude to their eventual conversion or destruction are the dark and deep motivating background or whether that apocalyptic theology is a thin surface veneer and the motivating background is years of reading the Bible and identifying with the Ancient Hebrews, an identification which results in those warm, friendly thoughts about the modern state of Israel, Likud, and the IDF.

    I’m not sure there’s one single answer. Different Christian Zionists have different motivations and give different reasons for what they believe. The idea that for every Christian Zionist it’s “all about” Revelation, the End Times, and the eventual conversion of the Jews must be an oversimplification. Indeed, it looks like the interviewer only found one person who was willing to express that thinking publicly. While Christian Zionism may have had its origins in such a theology, after decades Evangelical support for Israel and Zionism may have taken on a life of its own and may not need such a theological or theoretical scaffolding.

    I could well be wrong about that. I don’t know how to establish what may be inside other people’s heads or what “really” motivates them deep down. We all function within certain limits and with certain assumptions. If we’re asked for a reason, we may grasp for some concept that isn’t part of our everyday thinking. Is that the real foundation of our thinking? Or something we take recourse to in our confusion?

    In mentioning all the Bible-reading, though, I don’t want to discount present-day secular political factors which also draw Evangelicals to Zionism and Israel. A focus on the Middle East, Islam, and Israel takes the place of the older focus on the Soviet Union and Communism for many people in giving them bearings — often very simplistic and Manichean bearings — to understand, find a place, and take a stand in the wider world.

    • Mooser on July 27, 2015, 7:08 pm

      A lot of support for Christian Zionism, as it is for Zionism, is firmly based on the bedrock religious principle of subvention.

      • dgfincham on July 28, 2015, 1:34 am

        “the bedrock religious principle of subvention”? Please explain.

      • oldgeezer on July 28, 2015, 2:04 am

        Money makes the world go round

      • Mooser on July 29, 2015, 11:16 am

        Money makes the world go round? Well, I knew a guy, he used to be a dervish, who got fat sitting and looking at French Impressionists! Of course, ‘Monet makes the whirled go round.’

        Reminds me of the guy who was addicted to the Hokey-Pokey, but he turned himself around.

        That’s what it’s all about.

  11. JLewisDickerson on July 24, 2015, 6:17 pm

    RE: “The interviewed Christian Zionists also claim that, if they do not support the Israeli government, God will abandon them.” ~ Ben Norton

    SEE: Bachmann: ‘If We Reject Israel, Then There Is A Curse That Comes Into Play’, by Doug Mataconis, Outside the Beltway, 5/20/11
    [EXCERPTS] Apparently, Michele Bachmann bases her foreign policy views on obscure quotes from a book written 5,000 years ago:
    At a Republican Jewish Coalition event in Los Angeles last week, Rep. Michele Bachmann offered a candid view of her positions on Israel: Support for Israel is handed down by God and if the United States pulls back its support, America will cease to exist.
    The Republican Jewish Coalition is the same organization that recently hired former Sen. Norm Coleman. . .
    . . . Here’s a transcript of some of her remarks at the RJC event:

    I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . . [W]e have to show that we are inextricably entwined, that as a nation we have been blessed because of our relationship with Israel, and if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play. And my husband and I are both Christians, and we believe very strongly the verse from Genesis [Genesis 12:3], we believe very strongly that nations also receive blessings as they bless Israel. It is a strong and beautiful principle.
    Right now in my own private Bible time, I am working through Isaiah . . . and there is continually a coming back to what God gave to Israel initially, which was the Torah and the Ten Commandments, and I have a wonderful quote from John Adams that if you will indulge me [while I find it] . . . [from his February 16, 1809 letter to François Adriaan van der Kemp]:
    I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. If I were an atheist of the other sect, who believe or pretend to believe that all is ordered by chance, I should believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate to all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise, almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization.
    . . . So that is a very long way to answer your question, but I believe that an explicit statement from us about our support for Israel as tied to American security, we would do well to do that.

    Leaving aside the question of whether it would be a good idea to give any more political power to a person who apparently makes her foreign policy decisions based on religion rather than the facts on the ground and what might actually be in America’s national interest, I’ve really got to wonder if the author of this verse:

    The LORD said to Abram: “Go forth from the land of your kinsfolk and from your father’s house to a land that I will show you. I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. All the communities of the earth shall find blessing in you.

    really meant to say Bibi Netanyahu, right or wrong. Somehow, I think not.
    SOURCE –

  12. PeaceThroughJustice on July 24, 2015, 6:38 pm

    Now I know “antisemitism” serves as a kind of universal explanatory principle for a lot of well-meaning posters here, but are you sure that simply holding the belief that many Jews will convert to Christianity in the end days is “antisemitic”?

    Are there any other thoughts you would like to outlaw while we’re at it?

  13. traintosiberia on July 24, 2015, 7:03 pm

    This is emblematic of the attempts by some excellent group of intelligent people to seek solace in myth hen reality around them is being shattered veryday . Its too late for them to get out of the tent. They need a tent and there is none to accommodate them .
    At last this collective stupidity,collective Nazi type belief,collective faith in the selected pages of Bible give them an illusion of having a collective existence . They are unable to stand on their own belief or conscience . One reason ,for too long ,people have been denied to have odd ideas or belief unless one belongs to something that is mass based . For too long,they have been subjected to scrutiny and disparagement by the power that control business,finances,media,and politics for their core belief which consist of compassion,morals,responsibilities desire for community cohesion,control on education,have some control over their future . They have nothing. So the morons are looking for enemies and redemption same time .
    I think their love for Israel or Jews is also symptomatic of immature defense mechanism and of futile coping system given the raw nature of Israeli exploitation and their own impotence
    to change anything

  14. JLewisDickerson on July 24, 2015, 7:16 pm

    RE: While the Israeli government aligns itself with extreme right-wing Christian anti-Semites, progressive organization Jewish Voice for Peace publicly asks “Who will stand up against Hagee’s anti-Semitism?” ~ Ben Norton


    “Why McCain Should Have Stood by Hagee”, By Ed Koch, Politico, 6/03/08
    [EXCERPTS] Senator John McCain was wrong to reject the endorsement of Texas evangelist Rev. John Hagee.
    Several years ago Rev. Hagee
    delivered a sermon that was caught on tape in which he preached, “Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun, and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said, ‘My top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel.” Anyone hearing the tape would conclude that Hagee is hostile to the Jews, but nothing could be further from the truth. He and his congregants are among Israel’s strongest supporters. For religious reasons, they want Israel to rule supreme over all of the lands that made up the ancient Jewish kingdoms of Israel and Judea.Evangelicals believe that the Messiah – Jesus Christ – cannot return to the earth until the Jews return to the land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), they having been expelled by the Romans in 70 AD after the Second Temple — the one built by Herod — was destroyed.
    Christian fundamentalists believe that every word of the Old and New Testaments represents the will of God. . .
    . . . Rev. Hagee, being a fundamentalist, believes that each word is the word of God, and that everything that occurs on Earth happens as a result of God’s direction. Events caused by people like Hitler, for some fundamentalists, are explained as a punishment visited by God on Jews who had fallen away from the faith and did not follow all of God’s mandates. . .
    . . . Rev. Hagee apparently believes that Hitler was used by God to bring the Jews back to the promised land. . .
    . . . Hagee was not praising Hitler the monster, he was simply offering the fundamentalist opinion that Hitler was used by God to cause the creation of a Jewish state to which the Jews of the world would return.
    Hagee’s followers have supported the State of Israel in many tangible ways. Evangelicals continue to visit Israel as tourists even during the most dangerous times, which is more than can be said for some Diaspora Jews.
    It has become fashionable among liberals, including Jews, to ridicule and denounce Hagee and other fundamentalists. I do not. I appreciate their support of the State of Israel and thank them for their enormous contributions to the Jewish state. . .


  15. JLewisDickerson on July 24, 2015, 7:19 pm

    RE: “Hagee . . . has even gone so far as to essentially defend Adolf Hitler. In a 2005 sermon, Hagee asserted that God sent Hitler as a “hunter,” in order to “hunt them [Jews] from every mountain and from every hill and out of the holes of the rocks … to get them to come back to the land of Israel.” ~ Ben Norton

    FROM TONY KARON, 07/26/11:

    [EXCERPT] . . . Instead of trying to exterminate Europe’s Jews, [Anders Behring] Breivik suggests Hitler ought to have enforced Zionism: “He could have easily worked out an agreement with the UK and France to liberate the ancient Jewish Christian lands with the purpose of giving the Jews back their ancestral lands,” Breivik writes. “The UK and France would perhaps even contribute to such a campaign in an effort to support European reconciliation. The deportation of the Jews from Germany wouldn’t be popular but eventually, the Jewish people would regard Hitler as a hero because he returned the Holy land to them.” . . .

    SOURCE –

    • traintosiberia on July 25, 2015, 4:30 pm

      Brevik is partly correct.He doesn’t and couldn’t t see the bigger picture . Issue wasn’t only the establishment of Isreal but the maintenance as well . Friction,war,acrimony,suspicion and lack of trust between the Arabs or Muslim and the West or the Christian had to be in place to let Israel abuse it to its advantage . War was necessary .It was essential. A concerted European attempt would definitely have freed UK in pursuing the zionism unencumbered with other concerns on wars on other fronts .But it would not have kept Israel alive .Israel needed and needs that enmity between Islam and Christian .

  16. ritzl on July 24, 2015, 9:24 pm

    The big kicker (but not a surprise) for me in these interviews is that none of the interviewees knew anything about Israeli treatment of Palestinian Christians.

    Deaf, blind, amoral…and stupid.

    Perfect use-and-throw-away fodder, with votes, for Zionist manipulation. I get why none of the Zionist “names” care one whit whether these folks are “anti-semitic” (great discussion!) or not. They’re considered too goofy for their opinions to matter.

    But here again, the Zionists are tickling the dragon. CUFI is a 2 million person mailing list one mouse click away from realizing a mass betrayal of dispensationalist (I hope that’s the right word) proportions.

    I wonder what direction CUFI goes now that Brog has taken his $Ms of Adelson “walking-around” political cash over to the anti-BDS front.

    • ckg on July 24, 2015, 11:44 pm

      I can recall a Sunday morning many, many years when my first generation Palestinian-American sister-in-law invited her mainline Presbyterian family to her evangelical church service. We all dutifully attended, but she was mortified when the sermon turned to how to support Israel. I am glad we Presbyterians woke up early. I am especially glad UCC trumped us.

      • ritzl on July 25, 2015, 12:02 am

        Just curious, ckg, but did she try, or would she have been allowed to minister to her own congregation about the actual situation in Palestine?

        I’m glad you all “woke up” too, but I get this feeling that your “sleep” was always a bit fitful. :)

  17. tokyobk on July 24, 2015, 9:35 pm

    Donald July 24, 2015, 2:50 pm
    Annie–I agree with all that. Interesting how several of us had similar reactions.

    Annie Robbins July 24, 2015, 4:18 pm
    yes, very interesting donald.

    Totally predictable. My first thought when I read this. No way its getting a pass even if its criticising Zionists. Because, here, “anti-Semitism” is largely a Jewish tactic, and disappears in historical context anyway.

    • Donald on July 24, 2015, 11:26 pm

      I responded more politely up above, but here I am going to say some slightly ruder things.

      Maybe you are just stupid and can’t make distinctions or refuse to do so when it is easier to lump people into demonized categories, but let me explain something to you. I think antisemitism is still around, sometimes leads to murderous violence even in the U.S. And of course has been a huge factor in most Western history–I couldn’t guess how many Jews have been murdered over the centuries but was shocked to learn that one of the greatest antisemitic killings occurred during the Russian Civil War circa 1919 and is almost never mentioned because later events put it in the shade.

      On a smaller scale, I see antisemitic comments on the internet sometimes, though among evangelicals who support Israel what one sees far more often is Islamophobia.

      So here is the distinction you don’t seem to get, so I will type slowly. One can largely agree with the notion that Christianity has a history of antisemitism that goes back to passages in the Gospels themselves, and still not agree with what Norton said here.

      Got that. Or is it just more fun to assume that anyone who disagrees with an attribution of antisemitism in a particular case is really just the next thing to a Holocaust denier?

      For some reason I thought you were smarter than this. My mistake.

      • Donald on July 24, 2015, 11:51 pm

        Here, tokyobk, is a link to me talking about murderous antisemitism in the US in a recent thread. Note my debate opponent and his response–an anti-Semite who kills three Christians at a Jewish community center isn’t an example of murderous antisemitism and he ignores the other links entirely. (I assume a real murderous anti-Semite would have somehow sensed his victims weren’t Jewish.)

        You two should have a lot of fun together. Leave me out of it. In fact, maybe I’ll leave myself out of this place–my tolerance for this kind of idiocy is pretty much at its limit.

      • Mooser on July 25, 2015, 11:19 am

        Yup, Donald, I’m with you. I took one look at this thread, and gave it the old miss-in-baulk.

      • Donald on July 26, 2015, 12:25 pm

        Mooser– yeah, maybe avoiding the thread altogether would have been better for my blood pressure.

        Tokyobk– I apologize for calling you stupid. Your remark was stupid and deserved all the abuse I gave it, but I should have left it at that.

  18. Abdul-Rahman on July 24, 2015, 10:35 pm

    “Christian Zionists” are a recent phenomenon and a really deranged cult.

  19. JLewisDickerson on July 24, 2015, 11:48 pm

    RE: “Christian Zionists expose their anti-Semitism at conservative summit in Iowa”

    MY COMMENT: That’s a great exposé, but it leaves me feeling like death thrice warmed over in a really cheap toaster oven! ! !

    • JLewisDickerson on July 25, 2015, 4:54 am

      P.S. ■ Cafe scene from Le feu follet

      The Fire Within (French: Le feu follet) is a 1963 French film directed by Louis Malle. It is based on the novel of the same name by Pierre Drieu La Rochelle. The film stars Maurice Ronet as Alain Leroy, a recovering alcoholic at a rehabilitation clinic in Versailles who has depression. He decides to end his life, but first decides to visit his friends in Paris one last time, in an attempt at finding a reason to continue living. The movie also stars Jeanne Moreau – who had previously worked with Ronet and Malle in Elevator to the Gallows – as well as Alexandra Stewart, Bernard Noel, Lena Skerla, Hubert Deschamps and Yvonne Clech. The score features the music of Erik Satie.
      Le Feu Follete – The Fire Within (1963) [VIDEO, 1:48:06] –

  20. Citizen on July 25, 2015, 9:29 am

    Can’t understand this except to say Half of all humans are of low intelligence.

    • Mooser on July 26, 2015, 1:09 pm

      “Can’t understand this except to say Half of all humans are of low

      Not me. I don’t go for half-measures. All of me is of low intelligence.

    • dgfincham on July 26, 2015, 1:28 pm

      Half of humanity has below average intelligence: half of humanity has above average intelligence.

      • RoHa on July 26, 2015, 8:37 pm

        “Half of humanity has below average intelligence.”

        We really should do something to correct this terrible situation.

      • Mooser on July 27, 2015, 11:27 am

        “We really should do something to correct this terrible situation.”

        I’m trying! I want to help create a world in which almost everybody can be smarter than me. And so I feel compelled to get stupider and stupider. No, don’t thank me, it’s really not that much of an effort.

    • piotr on July 30, 2015, 7:34 am

      It is not easy to define low intelligence. Is half of the humanity below the average? If so, is it alarming?

  21. German Lefty on July 25, 2015, 11:36 am

    Christian Zionists from the USA are a total mystery to me!

    “In this fundamentally anti-Semitic view, Christian Zionists believe Jesus will (imminently) return and, upon his Second Coming, Jews will either accept him as their savior or die and burn in Hell for all eternity.”

    If this view is categotised as anti-Semitic, then you also have to say that Jews are inherently anti-gentile, because Jews believe that they are the chosen people and gentiles are not.

    Every religious group believes that their own religion is the only true religion and that all dissenters are doomed.

    • Mooser on July 29, 2015, 11:23 am

      “because Jews believe that they are the chosen people and gentiles are not.”

      As far as I know, the the Koreans are the chosun people!

      • piotr on July 30, 2015, 7:38 am

        Not only they are Chosun, but they are also the chosen people of Mama Bear. Suppose that you have a choice: Mama Bear or some very cranky character offering dubious real estate that you can get if you only promise not to touch shrimp for eternity and slaughter the inhabitants. Unfortunately, as some American politician observed, “all theology is local” so no Mama Bear for you, mooser.

        PS. About the real estate deal: perhaps not so bed, but once you canceled the lease, packed all belonging and started to move, the same character appears again with an addendum that add more that 600 conditions to the agreement. I want Mama Bear!

      • piotr on July 30, 2015, 7:48 am

        Link to illustrate the importance of Mama Bear to Koreans:

      • RoHa on July 30, 2015, 8:22 am

        “And why not?” say I.

      • Mooser on July 30, 2015, 11:00 am

        Our TV gets a Korean TV station. It is excellent.

  22. MHughes976 on July 25, 2015, 12:50 pm

    I think of anti-Semitism as prejudice (ie not rational argument) against at least some things characteristically Jewish. This would make way for prejudice based on religion rather than race to be regarded as anti-Semitic alongside its more racist counterpart. I don’t share the problems that some here have with terms referring to racial or religious prejudice by mentioning its victims. There is reason to distinguish anti-Semitism from Anglophobia.
    You may think that it is characteristic of Jews, people who are of another religion or descended from those who were of that religion, not to be Christian: even if that characteristic does not apply to all individuals within the Jewish category.
    It’s clearly debatable whether the opinion that God intends to reject or punish the generality of human beings, Jews not excepted, unless they embrace the Christian faith, is in itself rational enough to be the basis for a properly argued view: if it is, the inclusion of Jews with humanity in general is not anti-Semitic.
    If that opinion is itself too absurd to be accepted as the basis for an argument which is rational overall (some would say this of all theology) then it represents prejudice in all its applications, not less anti-Semitic because it is equally prejudiced against a lot of others. After all, if I can’t stand Jews, Muslims and bridge-players then I’m not less prejudiced against one group because I’m against the others too.
    There’s no logical difficulty in anti-Semite’s being a Zionist: if one thinks ‘Jews don’t belong here’ then it’s quite possible to think that they should be encouraged to take possession elsewhere.

    • German Lefty on July 25, 2015, 3:13 pm

      So, religious belief itself is a form of prejudice and religious people are inherently prejudiced!? As an atheist, I can live with that view.

      • Mooser on July 27, 2015, 6:37 pm

        “As an atheist, I can live with that view.”

        You are a braver person than me (Which, I freely asseverate, is not hard to be. My timidity is legendary), much braver.
        If I was an atheist, I would be much too scared to admit it. If the belief in God is a delusion, it is such a big and powerful delusion that to deny it can be life-threatening. If God doesn’t exist, and religious people kill over Him they are some seriously ill mofo’s. Damned if I’ll be the one to cross those crazy violent bastards. So as I say, it’s a good thing I’m not an atheist, cause I’d be to scared to admit it, and I’d have to live with that.

  23. ivri on July 25, 2015, 3:38 pm

    To me as a Jew – and one that takes seriously the Jewish heritage and its historical journey -this is not anti-Semitism at all. It is the right of these believers to expect that in the end of times Jews and Christians reunite again – as was the case in ancient times – even if how exactly that will happen has a different Jewish version to it. The Judeo-Christian heritage got horribly distorted in Europe but is now having a comeback in the US, which is also generally the great protector of both the Jewish world at large and the Jewish State in particular. This is something not less than miraculous and I am not less enthusiastic about it the rightly named Christian Zionists.
    The wish of Palestinians to spoil this real special relationship keeps failing and in particular so trying to use the Palestinian Christians in this regard (as in the article) – these people are fully aware that while Christians in the broader Mid-East are in great risk (the community in Iraq has been practically destroyed) – in Israel their rights are fully protected.

    • Mooser on July 26, 2015, 1:11 pm

      “The wish of Palestinians to spoil this real special relationship”

      Get a load of this! ROTFLMSJAO!

      • just on July 26, 2015, 1:59 pm

        It’s so nutsy, but consider the source!

        (btw, I have read plenty about discrimination against Christians in Israel…)

      • ivri on July 26, 2015, 5:23 pm

        @just “I read plenty about….”
        I am sure. You have undoubtedly developed an extraordinary talent for detecting always just the same one side of the coin… and avoiding like Hell that monster called Reality…

    • JLewisDickerson on July 26, 2015, 9:53 pm

      RE: “[T]hese people are fully aware that while Christians in the broader Mid-East are in great risk (the community in Iraq has been practically destroyed) – in Israel their rights are fully protected.” ~ ivri

      SEE NOTE: Christians Discriminated Against by Israel
      By Donald Neff
      Former Israel Bureau Chief for Time Magazine
      Excerpted from Fifty Years of Israel

      On ec. 29, 1977, Christians in Israel and the occupied territories protested a new law passed by the Israeli parliament making it illegal for missionaries to proselytize Jews. Protestant churches charged that the law had been “hastily pushed through parliament during the Christmas period when Christians were busily engaged in preparing for and celebrating their major festival.” The law made missionaries liable to five years’ imprisonment for attempting to persuade people to change their religion, and three years’ imprisonment for any Jew who converted. The United Christian Council complained that the law could be “misused in restricting religious freedom in Israel.”

      Donald Neff has been a journalist for forty years. He spent 16 years in service for Time Magazine and is a regular contributor to Middle East International and the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. He is the author of five excellent books on the Middle East.
      Nonetheless, it came into force on April 1, 1978, prohibiting the offering of “material inducement” for a person to change his religion. A material inducement could be something as minor as the giving of a Bible. Although the Likud government of Menachem Begin assured the Christian community that the law applied equally to all religions and did not specifically mention Christians, the United Christian Council of Israel charged that it was biased and aimed specifically at Christians since only Christians openly proselytized. Council representatives also cited anti-Christian speeches made in the parliament during debate on the law. Parliament member Binyamin Halevy had called missionaries “a cancer in the body of the nation.”

      The next year Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef, considered a political moderate, issued a religious ruling that copies of the New Testament should be torn out of any edition of a Bible owned by a Jew. Israeli scholar Yehoshafat Harkabi wrote that he was disturbed by “these manifestations of hostility-the designation of Christians as idolaters, the demand to invoke the ‘resident alien’ ordinances, and the burning of the New Testament.” Observed Harkabi: “Outside of the Land of Israel Jews never dared behave in this fashion. Has independence made the Jews take leave of their senses?”

      Desecration of Christian property and churches—arson, window breaking, burning of the New Testament—had long marred relations between the two communities. A small but fanatical group of Jews wanted no Christians, whom they considered fallen Jews, in Israel. This virulent strain of prejudice had been present since before the Jewish state was founded.

      For instance, after the capture by Jewish forces of Jaffa on May 13, 1948, two days before Israel’s birth, there was desecration of Christian churches. Father Deleque, a Catholic priest, reported: “Jewish soldiers broke down the doors of my church and robbed many precious and sacred objects. Then they threw the statues of Christ down into a nearby garden.” He added that Jewish leaders had reassured that religious buildings would be respected, “but their deeds do not correspond to their words.”

      On May 31, 1948, a group of Christian leaders comprising the Christian Union of Palestine publicly complained that Jewish forces had used 10 Christian churches and humanitarian institutions in Jerusalem as military bases and otherwise desecrated them. They added that a total of 14 churches had suffered shell damage, which killed three priests and made casualties of more than 100 women and children.

      The group’s statement said Arab forces had abided by their promise to respect Christian institutions, but that the Jews had forcefully occupied Christian structures and been indiscriminate in shelling churches. It said, among other charges, that “many children were killed or wounded” by Jewish shells on the Convent of Orthodox Copts on May 19, 23 and 24; that eight refugees were killed and about 120 wounded at the Orthodox Armenian Convent at some unstated date; and that Father Pierre Somi, secretary to the Bishop, had been killed and two wounded at the Orthodox Syrian Church of St. Mark on May 16.

      Churches were again desecrated during the 1967 war when Israel captured East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, completing the occupation of all of Palestine. On July 21, 1967, the Reverend James L. Kelso, a former moderator of the United Presbyterian Church and long-time resident in Palestine, complained of extensive damage to churches adding: “So significant was this third Jewish war against the Arabs that one of the finest missionaries of the Near East called it ‘perhaps the most serious setback that Christendom has had since the fall of Constantinople in 1453.’”

      Kelso continued: “How did Israel respect church property in the fighting…? They shot up the Episcopal Cathedral [in Jerusalem], just as they had done in 1948. They smashed down the Episcopal school for boys…The Israelis wrecked and looted the YMCA…They wrecked the big Lutheran hospital…The Lutheran center for cripples also suffered…”

      Nancy Nolan, wife of a physician at the American University Hospital in Beirut, who was in Jerusalem during and after the fighting, charged that “while the Israeli authorities proclaim to the world that all religions will be respected and protected, and post notices identifying the Holy Places, Israeli soldiers and youths are throwing stink bombs in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.

      “The Church of St. Anne, who crypt marks the birthplace of the Virgin Mary, has been severely damaged and the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem also was damaged. The wanton killing of the Warden of the Garden Tomb followed by the shooting into the tomb itself, in an attempt to kill the warden’s wife, was another instance that we knew first-hand which illustrated the utter disregard shown by the occupation forces toward the Holy Places and the religious sensibilities of the people in Jordan and in the rest of the world.”

      “The desecration of churches…includes smoking in the churches, littering the churches, taking dogs inside and entering in inappropriate manner of dress. Behavior such as this cannot be construed other than as a direct insult to the whole Christian world.”

      Desecration has occurred not only in times of war. As recently as 1995, an Israeli soldier, Daniel Koren, 22, entered St. Anthony Catholic Church in Jaffa and went on a shooting rampage, firing more than 100 bullets in the altar and the cross above it but causing no injuries. Koren said his Judaic convictions forced him to destroy all physical images of God, and admitted that he had staged a prior attack in Jerusalem’s Gethsemane Church.

      Perhaps the worst outbreak of organized desecration of Christian institutions came on Sept. 10, 1963, when hundreds of ultra-orthodox Jews simultaneously attacked Christian missions in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem. (One has to say “perhaps because reporting on this sensitive subject in the U.S. media has been so poor over the decades.) At any rate, the attacks were a concerted effort to intimidate Christians in Israel by a religious vigilante group called Hever Peelei Hamahane Hatorati, the Society of Activists of the Torah Camp. In an attack on the Church of Scotland school in Jaffa, Christian children were beaten and considerable damage was caused to the school by at least 200 rampaging Jews.

      Other attacks occurred at two nearby church schools, the Greek Catholic missionary school of St. Joseph and a Christian Brothers school. In Jerusalem, attacks occurred at the St. Joseph convent and the Finnish Lutheran mission school. In Haifa, the American-European Beth El Messianic Mission Children’s Hostel and School was attacked. No serious damage occurred in any of the attacks except at the Scotland school. More than 100 Jews were convicted in the attacks, none of them receiving more than small fines and suspended sentences.

      The first half of the 1980s, with Likud governments in control, was a particularly active period for Jewish bigots. On Oct. 8, 1982, the Baptist Church in Jerusalem was burned down. Kerosene had been sprinkled on the church’s wooden chapel, constructed in 1933. Although no one was ever charged in the arson, the Baptist Center’s bookstore had been vandalized a dozen times in previous years, and Jews were suspected. When the Baptists sought to rebuild the church, Jews demonstrated against the project and the Jewish district planning commission refused to grant a building permit. In 1985, the Israeli Supreme Court advised the Baptists to leave the all-Jewish area.

      On Christmas Day in 1983, a hotel in Tiberias where Christians held meetings was set afire, the latest in a series of attacks on a small group of about 50 Christians. Two Jews were arrested in the arson incident. Other attacks included stones thrown through windows at the hotel while the group was meeting and break-ins at the homes of members of the group. The anti-missionary group Yad Le’Achim complained that Christian missionaries were offering money, clothes, jewelry and tennis shoes to listen to Christian lectures.

      Just over a fortnight later, on Jan. 11, 1984, suspected Jewish extremists stacked hymnals on a piano in a Christian prayer room in Jerusalem and set them afire. Also in the same week angry Jews protesting Christian proselytizing caused Beth Shalom, a Christian evangelical group, to withdraw its plans to build a multimillion-dollar hotel in Jerusalem. Beth Shalom took its action after about 150 Jews showed up at a city council meeting with placards reading “You can’t buy me” and “I didn’t immigrate to live next door to missionaries.” A leader of the protest, Rabbi Moshe Berlinger, compared Christian missionaries to Trojan horses.

      Jewish infringements on Christian rights became so bad by 1990 that on Dec. 20 the leaders of Christian churches in Jerusalem took the extraordinary decision to restrict Christmas celebrations to protest “the continuing sad state of affairs in our land,” including encroachment by Israel on traditional Christian institutions. Among concerns expressed by the patriarchs and heads of churches were attempts by Jewish settlers to move into the Old City and an “erosion of the traditional rights and centuries-old privileges of the churches,” including imposition by Israel of municipal and state taxes on the churches.

      The statement added: “We express our deep concern over new problems confronting the local church. They interfere with the proper functioning of our religious institutions, and we call upon the civil authorities in the country to safeguard our historic rights and status honored by all governments.”

      Anti-Christian prejudice helps account for the fact that the number of Christian Palestinians in all of former Palestine had dwindled to only 50,000 in 1995. They no longer were a major presence in either Jerusalem or Ramallah, and they were fast losing their majority status in Bethlehem.

      When Israel was established in 1948, the Palestinian Christian community had numbered 200,000, compared to roughly 600,000 Jews in Palestine at the time. Now the Christians are not even one percent of the population of Israel/Palestine. Of today’s estimated total 400,000 Christian Palestinians, most now are living in their own diaspora, mainly in the Americas.

      SOURCE –

      P.S. New Jewish Terror Suspects Arrested in Israeli Church Burning –

  24. michelle on July 25, 2015, 5:16 pm

    based on the excluison of most Semitic people/groups the accepted useage of the term anti-Semitic is in itself anti-Semitic
    by accepting/employing the current useage of this term one might just as well be saying that there are only Jewish Semites or that Jewish Semites are the only Semites that count/matter/are people
    /ˈsemīt/ noun
    1.a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs
    G-d Bless

    • Mooser on July 27, 2015, 11:31 am

      Michelle, “Semite” is a spurious term. It has no real meaning. Do you think both Arabs and Jews are both descended from the sons of Shem, one of Noah’s kids? I doubt it.

      • dgfincham on July 27, 2015, 1:13 pm

        “semitic” refers originally to a group of related middle eastern languages, including Arabic, Hebrew and many others, and has come to be applied to the ethnic groups speaking those languages. It does indeed derive from the Hebrew ‘shem’.

      • Mooser on July 27, 2015, 6:41 pm

        “semitic” refers originally to a group of related middle eastern languages, including Arabic, Hebrew and many others, and has come to be applied to the ethnic groups speaking those languages. “

        And is it accurate in that? Are they indeed related, as the man who invented the term “Semitic” (“Semitic” not ‘antisemitism’, different guy, wasn’t it?) thought, and in the way he thought?

        Of course, as long as we know who we mean when we say “Semitic” it really doesn’t matter how it started out, if it gained a useful meaning.

      • michelle on July 28, 2015, 3:41 pm

        Hello Mooser
        may all the blessings of life be with you & yours
        so you also support this/yet another Jewish takeover &
        all other Semites can take another long walk off a short pier
        forget what the facts are any who disagree are anti-whatevers
        alright then good to know
        G-d Bless

  25. michelle on July 25, 2015, 5:27 pm

    anti-whateverism toward any people/group is against all people/groups
    G-d Bless

    • German Lefty on July 25, 2015, 6:04 pm

      So, anti-Zionism is against all groups?

      • michelle on July 25, 2015, 7:28 pm

        Zionism is a system of/or belief
        a Zionist is a person
        G-d Bless

      • michelle on July 27, 2015, 6:18 pm

        Dear German Lefty
        i hope all the wonders & Blessings of life
        fill to overflowing the lives of you & all you meet
        i’m sorry about my reply to your post
        it was a poor effort on my part
        i hope it doesn’t put a wall between us/our posts
        kindest regards
        G-d Bless

    • Mooser on July 28, 2015, 12:06 pm

      “anti-whateverism toward any people/group is against all people/groups”

      Yes, every bigotry towards any people is a bigotry towards all peoples and people. I very much agree.

  26. DoubleStandard on July 26, 2015, 12:20 am

    I don’t think they said anything anti-Semitic. I am Jewish and obviously don’t believe that we are going to convert to Christianity in the end. But if they want to support us because of that, who am I to argue with their beliefs?

    I think history testifies persuasively that we are the Chosen People, but hey — maybe they’re right and I’m wrong.

    Besides, it’s insulting to act as if anti-Israel zealots are just rending their hearts over the possibility that some Christians are anti-Semitic.

    Anti-Israel zealots are the primary perpetrators of anti-Semitism in the 21st century.

    This article reads like Charles Manson turning in O.J. Simpson to the police.

    • oldgeezer on July 26, 2015, 1:21 am

      “I think history testifies persuasively that we are the Chosen People, but hey – See more at:

      I would normally but frankly I’d be afraid to get a hit of whatever you’re smoking.

      The Jewish narrative has nothing to do with history even if it intersects at times. No group narrative does.

      I’d leave history to historians and post your narrative to the comedy channel where it is better suited.

    • Mooser on July 27, 2015, 6:48 pm

      “I think history testifies persuasively that we are the Chosen People,”

      Sure, sure, DS, indubitably! Absolutely, without a doubt, we Jews is Chosen! Unfortunately, the question still remains: Chosen for what, exactly?!

  27. aloeste on July 26, 2015, 12:47 pm

    this article is so flawed , that one would think that even the Mondoweiss site–which is known to be anti–zionist , antichristian , and-anti-traditional judaism —would remove it.

    but since it slams friends of israel , they will just let it go…

  28. brokebook on July 26, 2015, 2:16 pm

    “I am Jewish and obviously don’t believe that we are going to convert to Christianity in the end. But if they want to support us because of that, who am I to argue with their beliefs?”

    Indeed, there’s little to argue with, because this relatively recent theological innovation was a collaborative effort of Judaic interests and fellow Christian travellers for the obvious purpose of buying time to maintain tribal cohesion until ‘the end of time’ (don’t evangelize ‘The Jews’–like you do everyone else. Just wait and pray for an end times conversion and in the meantime ‘acknowledge the preciousness and permanency of Judaism’). And if this sounds too conspiratorial for belief, here’s the evidence:

    For some intolerant types even this kind of radical accommodation is ‘anti-semitic.’

  29. just on July 26, 2015, 2:53 pm

    Speaking of CZ’s, look here:

    “Mike Huckabee on Iran deal: Obama marching Israelis to ‘door of the oven’

    The presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has said the deal between six world powers and Iran regarding the Islamic Republic’s nuclear ambitions will “take the Israelis and march them to the door of the oven”.

    The former Arkansas governor made the comment, with its allusion to the Holocaust, in a conversation with the conservative news site

    “This president’s foreign policy is the most feckless in American history,” he said. “It is so naive that [Barack Obama] would trust the Iranians. By doing so, he will take the Israelis and march them to the door of the oven.

    “This is the most idiotic thing, this Iran deal. It should be rejected by both Democrats and Republicans in Congress and by the American people. I read the whole deal. We gave away the whole store. It’s got to be stopped.”…”

    Sheesh, these 16 are all looney- tunes!

    • Kay24 on July 26, 2015, 6:08 pm

      I was disgusted by what this shameless man said. Here is an update:

      “Update: Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz called on Huckabee to apologize on Sunday.

      “This rhetoric, while commonplace in today’s Republican presidential primary, has no place in American politics. Cavalier analogies to the Holocaust are unacceptable,” the Florida congresswoman said in a statement. “Mike Huckabee must apologize to the Jewish community and to the American people for this grossly irresponsible statement.” Huffpost article

      It seems Wasserman Schultz did not mention that Huckerbee must also apologize profusely to the President, for making such an ugly statement and insulting him. This is kissing up to Israeli lobbies in the most despicable way.

  30. michelle on July 27, 2015, 4:24 pm

    when did G-d make the Jewish people/Israel the god(s) of man
    G-ds laws apply to all His followers
    if His laws aren’t being followed then ‘you’ aren’t following Him
    G-ds Israel of long ago was never like this current this false this anti-Israel
    seems like too many people join with people to allow others to do the thinking
    they no longer seek truth themselves
    seek and ye shall find
    one can only find G-d for onesself
    none are faithful to G-d
    all are sinners
    who are we as faithless sinners
    to put ourselves/or others above G-ds Laws
    G-d Bless

    • Mooser on July 27, 2015, 7:02 pm

      “Israel of long ago was never like this current this false this anti-Israel”

      Now, I’m very ignorant of both the Old and New Testament, but if I recall, there was a lot of trouble in the Old Testament over keeping the Jews in line, and a lot of contention. Lotta problems with false Gods, stuff like that. Golden Calf-ism made inroads among the community. Big problems formulating a suitable type of political-religious synthesis. Life was no bed of charoses for the Ancient Israelites.

      • michelle on August 8, 2015, 8:43 pm

        hello Mooser
        hope you are well
        sorry this is late
        G-ds Israel was not to establish until the people
        were better able to put the past behind them
        this took afew generations
        G-ds people wouldn’t be seen by others/or themselves as victims
        G-d Bless

  31. just on July 27, 2015, 6:02 pm

    oh my:

    “Christians under pressure: from bigotry at school to imprisonment and murder

    Faith leaders warn of a rise in persecution around the world. Here we focus on four countries where Christian believers face official discrimination and threats of attacks by militants – sometimes at the same time …”

    And they list Egypt, Pakistan, China, and wait for it…

    “The Holy Land: ‘They came in the night’

    The smell of burning still lingers in the Church of the Multiplication on the shores of the Sea of Galilee.

    The target of an arson attack last month by suspected Jewish extremists – three people are under arrest – the church’s roof is missing from several rooms. Walls are scorched and the wooden doors, where the arsonists laid their fires, are charred black.

    Nearby, in a newer annex built by the Benedictine order that cares for the church and monastery, the attackers painted graffiti on the wall calling for the “destruction of false idols” – part of a Jewish prayer known as the Aleinu.

    “They came in the middle of the night,” said Fr Matthias, one of the Benedictine monks. “We’re not sure if they came by boat or climbed over the wall. We think there must have been at least three of them because they lit the fire in two places while someone else painted on the wall.”

    Built in the 1890s on land bought by an association of German Catholic dioceses as a place of pilgrimage to the lake where Jesus is said to have multiplied five loaves and two fishes to feed 5,000 people, it is not the first time the monastery has come under attack.

    Just over a year ago, pilgrims praying by the lake had stones thrown at them by a group of ultra-orthodox youths. In Jerusalem, the Church of the Dormition, to which the monastery is attached, was also attacked by an arsonist.

    According to a statement from the Council of Religious Institutions of the Holy Land, which includes churches as well as the chief rabbinate and the Islamic waqf: “Since December 2009, about 43 churches and mosques were torched or desecrated, yet not a single person has been prosecuted by the authorities.”

    While Christians across the Middle East have come increasingly under assault in recent years – most often by jihadis – the attacks in the Holy Land itself, whose Christian population is dwindling, have a particular resonance.

    “It is an unprecedented phenomenon in our experience,” said Matthias, visibly angry. The attack on his church was condemned by Israel’s president, Reuven Rivlin, and the prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, who said:

    “Freedom of worship in Israel is one of the foundation stones of our values and is protected by law. We will exercise the full weight of the law with those responsible for this criminal act.”

    Now the five monks have hired a security guard to patrol the monastery.

    Matthias was careful to distinguish between the majority of Israelis and those behind recent attacks on churches, but echoed a concern among many Christian leaders here that not enough was being done by the Israeli authorities to crack down on the extremist settlers most often linked to the attacks.

    “We are really angry. We feel as though not enough is being done by the authorities to find the people behind these attacks. We need to put it in perspective. We know this isn’t Syria, where Christians are frightened for their lives, but what we are asking, as a first priority, is that they bring them to justice so no one else will be inspired to do this kind of thing.””

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