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Days after the announcement of the Iran nuclear deal, I set out in West Jerusalem’s Yafo Street to find out what Israelis thought about the agreement. The range of responses reflected the continuous right-ward shift and the complete militarization of Jewish Israeli society against a backdrop of apathy.

No one expressed opposition to a military attack on Iran, and several demanded it. At least two people (seen in the video), called for elimination, saying “any threat on our country should be removed from the land,” and “eliminate them.”

When one young man explained “Israel wants peace,” his friend who had called for removing the threat chided him as “the leftist between us.” In Israeli society, being called a leftist is typically a smear, and “death to Arabs” mobs hunted leftists last summer during the 51-day assault on Gaza.

One American/Israeli woman praised the agreement as “a huge breakthrough” and said “Israel really has not much to worry about it.” She then boasted, “I don’t have a side. Whenever I need to be on either side, I will be.”

I attempted to interview soldiers. However, they all refused to speak on camera because of military rules (these regulations are selectively enforced). Off camera, one soldier excitedly told me the military should invade Iran.

Two young men (who are featured in the video) speculated that a war against Iran is part of the biblical prophecy of Gog and Magog and the coming the messiah. One of them said he thinks the United States will join Iran in a war against Israel, and that will happen this summer.

Several of the people I interviewed saw the deal as weakening the relationship of the U.S. and Israel but two young men expressed indifference. “Protect yourself, is the only way,” one said. His friend added: “Don’t care what the world say– and do whatever is good for us.” While a third man of American-Israeli background said that Israel would continue to sabotage the Iranian program and kill Iranian scientists.

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  1. Mooser on July 20, 2015, 11:16 am

    “biblical prophecy of Gog and Magog”

    “Gog and Magog”? Who will now render their rendition of “I Haven’t Got a Hat”! They’re better than “Ham and Ex”.

    And I said vaudeville was dead. Man, I’m dumb.

    • FreddyV on July 20, 2015, 11:59 am

      Gog Magog is prevalent in Christian End Times Theology too. Its encouraged as the Messiah will return.

      Based on that, now apply a belief that an inevitable war between the nations of the world and Israel must occur to your current world view.

      Its scary that current affairs are being driven by this.

      • ckg on July 20, 2015, 1:25 pm

        It’s scary that current affairs are being driven by this.

        Last week five top-tier GOP presidential candidates courted the two million members of John Hagee’s CUFI. Here is what Hagee said in March 2014 about Gog and Magog:

        John Hagee spent most of yesterday’s “Hagee Hotline” explaining to his viewers how the current crisis in Ukraine is a precursor to the invasion of Israel as foretold by the Book of Ezekiel that will usher in the Last Days.

        As Hagee explained, the Gog and Magog prophesied in Ezekiel 38 are Russia and its leader which, along with Iran, Germany, Turkey, Libya, and various Arab nations, will lead a ground invasion of Israel “in the Last Days.”

        “That’s right now,” Hagee said. “What you are seeing happening on the television screen is the Russian bear coming back to life, wanting to be a global super power. It’s going to take all of the nations it can with them and there will be, at some point in the future, a land invasion lead by the Russians.”

        But when that invasion takes place, God will destroy five out of every six invading soldiers by causing a massive earthquake as well as a deadly hail storm that will kill thousands of them, while even more will die when God confuses the various armies and causes them to kill one another with friendly fire.

        In the end, Hagee assured his audience, “Israel is going to be victorious and defended by the hand of God”:

        with video: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/hagee-crisis-ukraine-beginning-last-days

      • JLewisDickerson on July 20, 2015, 3:52 pm

        RE: “Gog Magog is prevalent in Christian End Times Theology too. It’s encouraged as the Messiah will return.” – FreddyV

        SEE – “Bush’s Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges: God Wants to ‘Erase’ Mid-East Enemies ‘Before a New Age Begins'”, by Clive Hamilton, CounterPunch.org, 5/22/09
        Bush explained to French Pres. Chirac that the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Mid-East and must be defeated.

        [EXCERPT] The revelation this month in GQ Magazine that Donald Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary embellished top-secret wartime memos with quotations from the Bible prompts a question. Why did he believe he could influence President Bush by that means?
        The answer may lie in an alarming story about George Bush’s Christian millenarian beliefs that has yet to come to light.
        In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France’s President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.
        In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped.
        The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:

        “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

        Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:

        “This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”.

        The story of the conversation emerged only because the Elyse Palace, baffled by Bush’s words, sought advice from Thomas Romer, a professor of theology at the University of Lausanne. Four years later, Romer gave an account in the September 2007 issue of the university’s review, Allez savoir. The article apparently went unnoticed, although it was referred to in a French newspaper.
        The story has now been confirmed by Chirac himself in a new book, published in France in March, by journalist Jean Claude Maurice. Chirac is said to have been stupefied and disturbed by Bush’s invocation of Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq and “wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs.” . . .

        ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/05/22/bush-god-iraq-and-gog/

        P.S. These are the (End) Times that try mens’ souls! ! !

      • Bornajoo on July 20, 2015, 4:39 pm

        Oh Gog! What an article JLD
        Oh Ma Gog!

        Not that we needed any more proof that “W” is a complete whacko nutjob but….

        So do these Gog and Magog chaps turn up before the Four Horsemen or do they show up later on? (just preparing for the forthcoming apocalypse)

      • Mooser on July 20, 2015, 6:56 pm

        “(just preparing for the forthcoming apocalypse)”

        It will be preceded by hordes of ravaging insects. But you know what the song says, “The Bee Stings in Life are Free”.

      • JLewisDickerson on July 20, 2015, 7:01 pm

        RE: “So do these Gog and Magog chaps turn up before the Four Horsemen or do they show up later on?” ~ Bornajoo

        REPLY: Hell if I know. It probably varies depending on John Hagee’s most recent divination.

        .P.S. ALSO RE: “So do these Gog and Magog chaps turn up before the Four Horsemen or do they show up later on?” ~ Bornajoo

        SUPPLEMENTARY REPLY: I recall that about ten years ago I was referring to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Hagee as “The Four Horses’ Asses Of The Apocalypse”!

        BONUS VIDEO:
        John Hagee | IS OBAMA THE ANTICHRIST? | JAN 08, 2015

        .

      • JLewisDickerson on July 22, 2015, 9:35 pm

        ALSO SEE: “The Pied Piper of Doom; The Apocalypticism of Benjamin Netanyahu”, by Lawrence Davidson, CounterPunch.org, March 6-8, 2015

        [EXCERPTS] On 3 March 2015 Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu came before the U.S. Congress and once again painted a false picture of Iran and its ambitions. His vision was both apocalyptic and simplistic: the state of Iran is evil and the source of most of the aggression and terrorism in the Middle East; it is eternally hostile to the West and it aims at the destruction of Israel; the West, with the United States leading the way, must stop this evil regime before it gains the capacity to use nuclear weapons.

        He has been saying this for at least twenty five years, and like the false prophecies predicting the end of the world, the alleged catastrophe never seems to occur. Iran never seems to come up with a nuclear bomb. However, Netanyahu never stops predicting it. . .

        . . . Therefore, the prime minister’s assertions tell us more about the worldview of Netanyahu and his allies than it does about Iran. It tells us that the facts make no difference. Netanyahu and his allies just know, “existentially,” that Iran is after nuclear weapons and plotting the destruction of Israel.

        Given this disconnect from reality, one can only assume that the prime minister of Israel and his associates are delusional – that is they cannot tell fact from fiction, or alternatively, that they are simply a liars. My feeling is that while the latter is certainly possible, I would not dismiss the former. Why so?

        Netanyahu, and indeed all Zionists of his sort, are committed ideologues. In other words, they do not start with objectively investigated facts as the basis of their worldview. Rather they start with an ideology (Zionism) with which all interpretations of the outside world must be made to conform. Zionism insists on the absolute right to a Jewish state in all of Palestine. For the true believer, anything that might stand in the way of this right must be fought without compromise. That is why there can be no compromise peace with the Palestinians. Their willingness to accept compromise must be ignored or denied. And that is why Iran, whose leaders have publicly, and accurately, called Zionism a dangerous ideology, must be denied any nuclear capacity at all. The fact that Iran’s activities in this regard are legal and peaceful must also be ignored, denied or distorted into something evil. That is the only way they will fit the strictures of ideology.

        People who are ideologically fixated can be like this – delusional and obsessive. In the ordinary workaday world they may or may not be annoying. However, if you give them power, their potential goes far beyond annoying to the point of being downright dangerous. That is where we are at with Benjamin Netanyahu.

        What sort of history underlies Netanyahu’s obsessive delusions? It is the history of European Jewry, which, for him, is overwhelmingly the history of anti-Semitism culminating in the Holocaust. For Netanyahu that history is ongoing. It can never really stop. Because this is so, he and others holding this view have expanded the threat of anti-Semitism beyond Europe into the Middle East. The Muslims of that region are the new Nazis and their leadership comes from Iran (which is really impossible due to the Shiite-Sunni divide – but no matter, facts don’t count). Finally, Israel stands in for all of Jewry and, of course, is in everlasting mortal danger.

        In the past month Prime Minister Netanyahu has repeatedly claimed that anti-Semitism is growing worldwide and presents a threat not just to Israel, but to all the world’s Jews. Take for instance his mid-February declaration that sporadic terrorist episodes in Europe are a sign of rising, revitalized anti-Semitism. As he put it “Jews have been murdered again on European soil only because they are Jews” and the ultimate key to their safety is immigration to Israel – the same Israel he claims to be threatened with nuclear destruction. Both the president of France and the prime minister of Denmark, who do not share Netanyahu’s view of the world, scolded the Israeli leader for implying that native Jews were not integral members of their national communities and would not be protected.Netanyahu, and indeed all Zionists of his sort, are committed ideologues. In other words, they do not start with objectively investigated facts as the basis of their worldview. Rather they start with an ideology (Zionism) with which all interpretations of the outside world must be made to conform [much like a cult – J.L.D.]. Zionism insists on the absolute right to a Jewish state in all of Palestine. For the true believer, anything that might stand in the way of this right must be fought without compromise. That is why there can be no compromise peace with the Palestinians. Their willingness to accept compromise must be ignored or denied. . .

        ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/06/the-apocalypticism-of-benjamin-netanyahu/

      • JLewisDickerson on July 22, 2015, 9:45 pm

        AND SEE: “Goldberg and the Amalekites”, by Daniel Luban, lobeLog.com, 17 May 2009

        [EXCERPT] Jeffrey Goldberg‘s latest op-ed in the New York Times contains the following interesting passage:

        I recently asked one of his advisers to gauge for me the depth of Mr. Netanyahu’s anxiety about Iran. His answer: “Think Amalek.”
        “Amalek,” in essence, is Hebrew for “existential threat.” Tradition holds that the Amalekites are the undying enemy of the Jews. They appear in Deuteronomy, attacking the rear columns of the Israelites on their escape from Egypt. The rabbis teach that successive generations of Jews have been forced to confront the Amalekites: Nebuchadnezzar, the Crusaders, Torquemada, Hitler and Stalin are all manifestations of Amalek’s malevolent spirit. If Iran’s nuclear program is, metaphorically, Amalek’s arsenal, then an Israeli prime minister is bound by Jewish history to seek its destruction, regardless of what his allies think.

        Strangely, Goldberg does not mention what is perhaps the most striking and well-known fact about the Amalekites: they were the targets of divinely sanctioned genocide. As related in 1 Samuel 15, God instructed the Israelite king Saul to “go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” Saul “utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword,” but spared their king Agag and the best of Amalek’s livestock, for which he was punished by God. When Saul’s successor David attacked the Amalekites (along with the Geshurites and Gezrites), he “smote the land, and left neither man nor woman alive.” (1 Samuel 27:9).

        Unsurprisingly, these passages have been the subject of a great deal of commentary in the millenia since, and a number of rabbis have offered interpretations that seek (with varying degrees of success) to mitigate the apparent brutality of God’s command. But as Christopher Hitchens noted a few months ago, Amalek has also in recent decades become a rhetorical touchstone on the right-wing fringes of Israeli society, as rabbis such as Schmuel Derlich and Israel Hess have promoted the idea that the Palestinians are the new Amalekites and must be dealt with accordingly. Apparently Netanyahu has altered this line of thinking to identify the Amalekites with the Iranians rather than the Palestinians.

        Goldberg clearly does not wish to rattle his right-thinking liberal New York Times audience, so he conveniently omits all this from his account of Amalek. However, if Netanyahu’s advisors are right to say that Bibi sees Iran as the new Amalek, this is a fact with profoundly disturbing implications. After all, the biblically ordained way to deal with the Amalekites is not through “smart but tough” diplomacy, “crippling” sanctions, or even precise and targeted military strikes. Rather, it is through root-and-branch extermination — that is, wiping Iran off the map. Goldberg writes that “[i]f Iran’s nuclear program is, metaphorically, Amalek’s arsenal, then an Israeli prime minister is bound by Jewish history to seek its destruction, regardless of what his allies think.” This is not quite accurate. If we take God’s command and the Amalek analogy literally, then an Israeli prime minister would be bound not to seek “its [the Amalekite arsenal’s] destruction,” but rather “their [the Amalekites’] destruction.” . . .

        ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.lobelog.com/goldberg-and-the-amalekites/

    • RobertHenryEller on July 21, 2015, 9:25 am

      George W. Bush cited “Gog and Magog” when he was trying to sell his Iraq invasion to France’s Jacque Chirac.

      http://www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2012/10/kurt-eichenwald-500-days-excerpt

      I love the smell of Zombie Zionist Psychosis in the morning.

      • Mooser on July 21, 2015, 10:46 am

        “I love the smell of Zombie Zionist Psychosis”

        There’s the progression. You start out fooling around with PEP pills, and before you know it, you’ve got a case of The Ziocaine Syndrome.
        If not treated aggressively, this can proceed to the ZZS, the terminal stage.

      • Mooser on July 21, 2015, 7:47 pm

        Oh, I guess “Psychosis” starts with a “P”. I mean, you wouldn’t think it does, cause it sounds like “s”, but it does, doesn’t it? But it took me a lot longer than ten minutes to remember that.

    • Lillian Rosengarten on July 21, 2015, 11:20 am

      It’s tragic how Israelis in part have been manipulated to believe all the lies they hold as true. This is called domestic terrorism by your own government. They have been blinded and taught to hate and fear.

      • JLewisDickerson on July 22, 2015, 10:05 pm

        URI AVNERY ON HOW THE ISRAELIS HAVE BEEN “BRAINWASHED”:
        “Israel’s Weird Elections”, by Uri Avnery, Counterpunch, 1/04/13:

        [EXCERPTS] . . . The Israeli media are already to a large extent neutralized, a creeping process not unsimilar to what the Germans used to call Gleichschaltung. [SEE: Gleichschaltung @ Wikipedia – J.L.D. ]
        All three TV channels are more or less bankrupt and dependent on government handouts. Their editors are practically government appointees. The printed press is also teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, except the largest “news” paper, which belongs to Sheldon Adelson and is a Netanyahu propaganda sheet, distributed gratis.
        [Naftali] Bennett repeats the ridiculous assertion that almost all journalists are left-wingers (meaning traitors.) He promises to put an end to this intolerable situation. . .
        . . . In the coming four years, the official annexation of the West Bank to Israel may become a fact. . .
        . . . If the government continues on its present course, this will lead to certain disaster – the entire country between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River will become one unit under Israeli rule. This Greater Israel will contain an Arab majority and a shrinking Jewish minority, turning it inevitably into an apartheid state, plagued by a permanent civil war and shunned by the world.
        If pressure from without and within eventually compels the government to grant civil rights to the Arab majority, the country will turn into an Arab state. 134 years of Zionist endeavor will come to naught, a repetition of the Crusaders’ kingdom.
        This is so obvious, so inevitable, that one needs an iron will not to think about it. It seems that all major parties in these elections have this will. Speaking about peace, they believe, is poison. Giving back the West Bank and East Jerusalem for peace? God forbid even thinking about it.
        The weird fact is that this week two respected polls – independent of each other – came to the same conclusion: the great majority of Israeli voters favors the “two-state solution”
        , the creation of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders and the partition of Jerusalem. This majority includes the majority of Likud voters, and even about half of Bennett’s adherents.
        How come? The explanation lies in the next question: How many voters believe that this solution is possible? The answer: almost nobody. Over dozens of years, Israelis have been brainwashed into believing that “the Arabs” don’t want peace. If they say they do, they are lying.
        If peace is impossible, why think about it? Why even mention it in the election campaign? Why not go back 44 years to Golda Meir’s days and pretend that the Palestinians don’t exist? (“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people…It is not as though there was a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away. They did not exist.” – Golda Meir, June 13, 1969)…

        ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/04/israels-weird-elections/

  2. Mondowise on July 20, 2015, 11:41 am

    i knew this would happen, my fear is unfolding. let’s just hope PM nutjob doesn’t go along with what his people demand. i hope it’s just the far right-wingers screaming for attack and i hope the world uses an iron hand to conrol bibi’s murderous aggression. he really is the greatest WMD, along with his cronies.

  3. jon s on July 20, 2015, 11:54 am

    Why kill only Iranian scientists?
    If we kill scientists from all over we could create a situation in which there’s noone left to boycott us.

    • Mondowise on July 20, 2015, 12:24 pm

      wait, you mean the zionist regime doesn’t execute/assassinate whoever they want whenever and wherever they want already? lol!!!

      • Kris on July 20, 2015, 4:27 pm

        An interesting, though incomplete, list of targeted assassinations by Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 20, 2015, 4:38 pm

        @Kris,

        I’ve always found the phrase ‘targetted assassinations’ to be bizarre. By definition, an assassination has to be targetted. Is the expression ever used to describe judicial murders by any state other than Israel? If so, I’ve never heard it.

    • Mooser on July 20, 2015, 2:18 pm

      “If we kill scientists from all over we could create a situation in which there’s noone left to boycott us.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/israelis-jerusalem-attack#sthash.gbfRdUNO.dpuf

      Why don’t you assign that as an extra-credit project for your class “Jon s”.
      BTW, you never told me, “Jon s” will you guys leave peacefully when asked, or do you have plans to start shooting at Israelis? I mean, if you are going to let men dissuade you from God’s plan, I mean. No, I guess you can’t do that.

    • diasp0ra on July 22, 2015, 7:31 am

      I’m glad you’re finding this amusing enough to make jokes about, jon.

      It’s not like these people were working in a civil program, and left home widows and orphans or anything. Your lack of humanity is truly astonishing.

    • Kris on July 22, 2015, 12:23 pm

      @jon s: “Why kill only Iranian scientists?…”

      Thanks, jon s. This is so funny I forgot to laugh; instead I thought of Dr. Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, one of the young Iranian scientists assassinated by Israel.

      Try googling Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan and you’ll get to see photographs of him with his little son, and photographs of his widow, too. You can think about their grief and laugh yourself silly

  4. Marnie on July 20, 2015, 12:20 pm

    If I didn’t know any better, I would think this was a comedy sketch, but it’s a very good representation of the most horrible people on earth. Many Israelis sound this thick, dense, ridiculous, paranoid and demanding (teflon bit was vile as was the man talking about accidents at Iranian facilities, scientists “disappearing”. Wonder if that guy will disappear himself for spilling the beans – loose lips sink ships). The whole world is out to get them and they’ve done absolutely nothing to provoke any ill will whatsoever, they just want peace. I love that, the world weary sigh and “we just want peace. We’ve had enough wars.” Right…that’s why so many israelis are in favor of bombing Iran. What is it about peace that brings out the bombs away rally in Israel?

    I imagine Pres. Obama knows this one by heart – Psalm 120:7 – I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.

    • Bornajoo on July 20, 2015, 2:01 pm

      “If I didn’t know any better, I would think this was a comedy sketch, but it’s a very good representation of the most horrible people on earth. Many Israelis sound this thick, dense, ridiculous, paranoid and demanding (teflon bit was vile as was the man talking about accidents at Iranian facilities, scientists “disappearing”. Wonder if that guy will disappear himself for spilling the beans – loose lips sink ships). The whole world is out to get them and they’ve done absolutely nothing to provoke any ill will whatsoever, they just want peace.”

      Great comment Marnie. You have it spot on.

    • WH on July 21, 2015, 5:03 am

      Regarding Israeli attacks on the Iranian programme, there’s actually a clause in the deal guaranteeing protection from those (at least cyber-attacks). You can imagine how the Israel-firsters feel about that… As for these Israelis, I seriously wonder how much they even know about the terms of the deal.

    • Chu on July 22, 2015, 9:07 am

      A deranged cult in the heart of the Arab world. But US pols continue to underwrite this mess because of zionist dollars. How corrupt.

  5. amigo on July 20, 2015, 12:30 pm

    “Two young men (who are featured in the video) speculated that a war against Iran is part of the biblical prophecy of Gog and Magog and the coming the messiah “.

    Oh please, Gag me with this (Dem) Magogery.

  6. Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 20, 2015, 12:50 pm

    Worth bearing in mind that when these dudes think of ”war”, what comes to mind is likely bombing refugee camps and kids playing football – from the safe distance of your American funded aircraft.

    How many of these guys would honestly volunteer to take on the Republican Guard? Very, very few.

    • JennieS on July 21, 2015, 8:21 am

      When these guys think about war against Iran (which has a viable defence system) they think about US bombers getting shot down.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 22, 2015, 11:15 am

        Yes. They’ll fight Iran right down to the last American soldier.

    • diasp0ra on July 22, 2015, 7:21 am

      Exactly, Israelis for the most part have really not ever witnessed a war on their turf, the closest they come to that is the small homemade rockets that barely manage to hit anything, and when they do barely cause any damage. Even Hezbollah fired very few rockets into Israel compared to what it had stored during the Lebanon war.

      Everything is so far away and abstract. What did the vast majority of Israelis even witness during the last 3 “wars” on Gaza? It’s all far away, if they turned off the TV most of them wouldn’t even know they were at “war” as they called it.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 22, 2015, 11:14 am

        “War” for most Israelis means taking snaps of yourself looking all handsome and macho in your IDF uniform and posting them on Instagram.

        Faced with a real enemy, these clowns run away. Their nappy filling antics when faced with Hizballah are of course well known. But I remember pics of the Israeli ‘special forces’ after they raided the Mavi Marmara. These dudes – supposedly the creme de la creme of the IDF – were actually crying, even though they were faced with unarmed humanitarian workers, 10 of whom they murdered. And this, to repeat, is the so-called ‘elite’ of the IDF, not the conscript grunts they normally send into ‘combat’.

  7. amigo on July 20, 2015, 1:19 pm

    J Post has a section they label, “The Arab Israeli conflict”.

    So, is it that Israel is in conflict with the Arab World or 20% of Israel,s citizens do not exist.

    Maybe our resident history teacher can unravel it for us.

  8. Citizen on July 20, 2015, 1:21 pm

    Good to know we Americans have such a vested interest in these manly men and women who are so well educated, bright, imaginative, interested in truth and justice! They can paint a target on our backs any day!

  9. TRG-42 on July 20, 2015, 1:30 pm

    These warmongers are totally insane, mad and should be put in closed wards.

  10. Qualtrough on July 20, 2015, 1:45 pm

    It would be interesting to interview these people again (the survivors that is) if things really spun out of control and Israel and Iran went to war.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius on July 20, 2015, 2:06 pm

      I said something similar above. For these guys, ‘war’ is a great opportunity to feel all macho – dropping bombs on the heads of kids – and look cool on Instagram.

      They might not think it so cool if they had to face the Republican Guard, just as they didn’t think it was cool when they ran away from Hizballah.

  11. lysias on July 20, 2015, 4:50 pm

    Somewhat O/T, the demise of the sanctions now seems to be a done deal, whatever Congress does: U.N. Security Council Unanimously Endorses Iran Nuclear Deal.

  12. lysias on July 20, 2015, 4:55 pm

    No one expressed opposition to a military attack on Iran, and several demanded it. At least two people (seen in the video), called for elimination, saying “any threat on our country should be removed from the land,” and “eliminate them.”

    Somebody please explain to me: what do these people think was wrong about the Holocaust?

  13. wondering jew on July 20, 2015, 5:04 pm

    Viewed from 2015 there never was much of a chance of Israel attacking Iran although waving that stick helped force the powers to impose sanctions which led to this agreement. Unfortunately waving the stick is what has remained as the image that has formed in the mind of the Israeli Jewish public from this confrontation.

    Kubrick’s great film Doctor Strangelove was subtitled: how i learned to stop worrying and love the bomb and even though Israel has nukes, in fact Iran having nukes is something to cause worry. my impression of Khameini is of a sane man, whereas the original ayatollah Khomeini was borderline meshugene, who might have sacrificed Iran for the chance to wipe out the Zionist state, i really don’t see that in Khameini. Nonetheless just as the jews have gog and magog, i betcha there are apocalyptic tunes in the Islamic reportoire and apocalyptic weapons plus apocalyptic religious themes are not exactly reassuring. so in terms of serenity, no, there is little serenity just thinking about iran.

    i feel bad that netanyahu’s rhetoric emphasized the fear and planted it firmly in too many Jewish minds. given the nature of politics and the science of the atom: ten years of strict regime on iran is something and it is not munich 1938. still, i will not say, there’s nothing to worry about, for it scares me too. i try to keep a level head.

    • Mondowise on July 20, 2015, 6:39 pm

      what exactly are you afraid of yonah? that iran has NEVER attacked ANY other nation, EVER!? that iran has strictly forbidden development of nukes based on devout religious belief against such weapons so much so iran’s leader issued a fatwa against nukes? what is so scary about peace? where is the ‘threat to israel’ in that??? it is ONLY in israel’s phobic paranoia, NOWHERE else. war-mongering israelis seriously need massive psychotherapy, not a war against iran.

    • Mooser on July 20, 2015, 6:43 pm

      “Viewed from 2015 there never was much of a chance of Israel attacking Iran although waving that stick helped force the powers to impose sanctions which led to this agreement.”

      Aha! So now you all can see that Israel’s stolen, unregulated, illegal nuclear arsenal was really one of America’s great strategic assets! Yes sir, I bet that was just what American Presidents were thinking: “Yes sir, Israel’s uncontrolled illegal nuclear arsenal is what we are counting on to keep Iran in line!”
      When you think how grateful the governments of the world should be to Israel, it’s a shame Pollard’s in stoney lonesome, ain’t it?
      Sure Yonah, take another pill full of it.

      Gosh, Yonah, what an inspiring role you see for Israel in world affairs.

    • Mooser on July 20, 2015, 6:45 pm

      So Yonah, if Iran is so much more worrisome than Israel why didn’t they steal or buy nuclear weapons in all this time?

      “i try to keep a level head.”

      Don’t worry, Yonah, it’s perfectly flat.

      • RoHa on July 21, 2015, 7:07 pm

        “if Iran is so much more worrisome than Israel why didn’t they steal or buy nuclear weapons in all this time?”

        Same reason they haven’t slaughtered all the Jews in the country. They are just too lazy and incompetent. No other explanation can suffice.

    • zaid on July 20, 2015, 7:13 pm

      Yonah

      Stop comforting yourself.

      AIPAC was humiliated….full stop.

      The entire Zionist army in the United States were against the deal ,and all they got is the middle finger.

      Regarding your stick…….let me tell you a secret:

      There are no weapon in the Israeli arsenal that can destroy the Fordow Facility, since it is more than 90m deep and probably there is not any weapon in the US arsenal that can deal with it either .

      The iranian knew that and that’s why they did not capitulate.

    • Marnie on July 21, 2015, 3:36 am

      “i feel bad that netanyahu’s rhetoric emphasized the fear and planted it firmly in too many Jewish minds. given the nature of politics and the science of the atom: ten years of strict regime on iran is something and it is not munich 1938. still, i will not say, there’s nothing to worry about, for it scares me too. i try to keep a level head.”

      Over 20 years of Netanyahu’s fear mongering has had the desired effect on Israelis and especially young insecure hotheads with something to prove. Yonah, you don’t seem to fit into either category, so why are your afraid of Iran? Who have they invaded, stolen land from and occupied? What threats have been made by Iran? They may not like the US or Israel but so what? The US and Israel have made lots of enemies. They would like to have a normal life. Yeah, I can understand how terrifying that is to zionists.

      Best wishes for keeping a level head, but if youse gets the frights as nights, you could always wash down some Xanax with a shot of Jack Daniels or an old reliable remedy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut6BRW6MZJs

    • WH on July 21, 2015, 5:08 am

      When a hardline theocrat issues an edict against nuclear weapons, one should consider taking it seriously. As for Khameini’s attitude towards Israel, he has clarified that he wishes the people no harm but thinks the regime needs to be removed/reformed. How long have the Western powers been saying such things about the countries they didn’t like? Something that those insisting on the genocidal anti-Semitism of the Iranian regime might also consider is that Iranian Jews have not been slaughtered, which would surely have been the first order of business if things were as the likes of Netanyahu say.

  14. traintosiberia on July 20, 2015, 6:04 pm

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scott-walker-iran-deal_55acfd69e4b0d2ded39f57c2

    Walker is planning on Inauguration Day . He should be given the luxury of being voted by West Bank settler .
    Walker is a good soldier ,a good Noahide. He will get his neighbors son killed who has no choice but to join military to earn a loving or have a future since Walker destroyed the job market and gutted education.

  15. echinococcus on July 20, 2015, 7:21 pm

    Zionist criminals illegally settled in an extraterritorial no man’s land should not be called “Israelis” even by those who admit some legitimacy of the Zionist entity and its illegal immigration and naturalization policy.

    • Mooser on July 21, 2015, 10:52 am

      “Zionist criminals illegally settled in an extraterritorial no man’s land should not be called “Israelis”

      I like “freebooters” or “filibusterers” or just plain old “squatters”.

      I mean, it’s not like what the Zionist freebooters are doing is an unknown thing in the history of the world, and there are lot’s of names for what they do.

      • echinococcus on July 21, 2015, 4:21 pm

        The problem is, Mooser, that applies to the regular citizens/inhabitants of regular “Israel” already.
        These babies now are, as the popular idiom goes, something else. The Pirate’s Pirates?

      • JennieS on July 22, 2015, 4:25 am

        Infiltrators seems good to me.

  16. Kay24 on July 20, 2015, 7:44 pm

    They are a bunch of brainwashed blood thirsty people. They are the ones that most probably wanted Gaza leveled an watched from hill tops cheering the murderers on.

    The irony of all this is, they say they are fearful of Iran, but it is the Iranians who must be most afraid of the Israelis, after all it is Israel that has nuclear weapons and known to attack it’s neighbors at will, whereas Iran still does not have any and has not attacked it’s neighbors for centuries.

  17. JLewisDickerson on July 21, 2015, 3:41 am

    RE – “Days after the announcement of the Iran nuclear deal, I set out in West Jerusalem’s Yafo Street to find out what Israelis thought about the agreement. The range of responses reflected the continuous right-ward shift and the complete militarization of Jewish Israeli society against a backdrop of apathy.” ~ Dan Cohen

    FROM WIKIPEDIA (The Mass Psychology of Fascism):

    [EXCERPT] The Mass Psychology of Fascism[4] (German: Die Massenpsychologie des Faschismus) is a 1933 book by Wilhelm Reich. It explores how fascists come into power, and explains their rise as a symptom of sexual repression

    • Background

    Reich—originally from Galicia in the Austro-Hungarian Empire and practicing psychoanalysis and psychiatry in Vienna—joined the Social Democratic Party of Austria (SPÖ) in 1928. He joined the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) upon moving his psychoanalytic practice to Berlin in 1930. However, The Mass Psychology of Fascism was seen as being so critical of the Nazi regime (as well as the Communist regime in the Soviet Union) that Reich was considered to be a liability to the KPD and was kicked out of the party upon the book’s publication in 1933.

    • Summary

    The question at the heart of Reich’s book was this: why did the masses turn to authoritarianism even though it is clearly against their interests?[5] Reich set out to analyze “the economic and ideological structure of German society between 1928 and 1933” in this book.[6] In it, he calls Bolshevism “red fascism”, and groups it in the same category as Nazism.

    Reich argued that the reason Nazism was chosen over communism was sexual repression. As children, members of the proletariat had learned from their parents to suppress sexual desire. Hence, in adults, rebellious and sexual impulses caused anxiety. Fear of revolt, as well as fear of sexuality, were thus “anchored” in the character of the masses. This influenced the irrationality of the people, Reich would argue:[5]

    Suppression of the natural sexuality in the child, particularly of its genital sexuality, makes the child apprehensive, shy, obedient, afraid of authority, good and adjusted in the authoritarian sense; it paralyzes the rebellious forces because any rebellion is laden with anxiety; it produces, by inhibiting sexual curiosity and sexual thinking in the child, a general inhibition of thinking and of critical faculties. In brief, the goal of sexual suppression is that of producing an individual who is adjusted to the authoritarian order and who will submit to it in spite of all misery and degradation. At first the child has to submit to the structure of the authoritarian miniature state, the family; this makes it capable of later subordination to the general authoritarian system. The formation of the authoritarian structure takes place through the anchoring of sexual inhibition and anxiety.[5]

    Reich noted that the symbolism of the swastika, evoking the fantasy of the primal scene, showed in spectacular fashion how Nazism systematically manipulated the unconscious. A repressive family, a baneful religion, a sadistic educational system, the terrorism of the party, and economic violence all operated in and through individuals’ unconscious psychology of emotions, traumatic experiences, fantasies, libidinal economies, and so on, and Nazi political ideology and practice exacerbated and exploited these tendencies.[6]

    For Reich, fighting fascism meant first of all studying it scientifically, which was to say, using the methods of psychoanalysis. He believed that reason—alone able to check the forces of irrationality and loosen the grip of mysticism—is also capable of playing its own part in developing original modes of political action, building on a deep respect for life, and promoting a harmonious channeling of libido and orgastic potency. Reich proposed “work democracy”, a self-managing form of social organization that would preserve the individual’s freedom, independence, and responsibility and base itself on them.[6]

    • Banning

    As a result of writing the book, Reich was kicked out of the Communist Party of Germany. The book was banned by the Nazis when they came to power. He realized he was in danger and hurriedly left Germany disguised as a tourist on a ski trip to Austria.[citation needed] Reich was expelled from the International Psychoanalytical Association in 1934 for political militancy.[7] The book was ordered to be burned on request of the FDA by a judge in Maine, United States in 1956, amongst other works by Reich.[8]

    • The authoritarian family as the first cell of the fascist society

    Chapter V contains the famous statement that the family is the first cell of the fascist society:[9]

    From the standpoint of social development, the family cannot be considered the basis of the authoritarian state, only as one of the most important institutions which support it. It is, however, its central reactionary germ cell, the most important place of reproduction of the reactionary and conservative individual. Being itself caused by the authoritarian system, the family becomes the most important institution for its conservation.

    In this connection, the findings of Morgan and of Engels are still entirely correct.

    Deleuze and Guattari reprised Reich arguments in their joint works Anti-Oedipus,[10] and A Thousand Plateaus, in which they talk about the formation of fascism at the molecular level of society.[11] . . . SOURCE – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mass_Psychology_of_Fascism

    P.S.
    ■ [PDF] “The Mass Psychology of Fascism” (Third, revised and enlarged edition), By Wilhelm Reichhttp://www.relatedness.org/Mass_Psychology_of_Fascism.pdf

    • Sibiriak on July 21, 2015, 4:19 am

      JLewisDickerson: [Wikipedia:] Reich argued that the reason Nazism was chosen over communism was sexual repression…

      ———————

      But how applicable is the sexual repression theory today? I mean, putting aside the considerable differences between 1930’s fascism and contemporary Israeli militarism, are wild, libertine, sexually unrepressed Jewish Israelis any less jingoistic than their repressed compatriots?

      • JLewisDickerson on July 21, 2015, 6:25 pm

        Yes, I don’t see that the sexual repression theory significantly applies today (except with the fundies, ultra-orthodox, Wahabists, etc.), but as I read the book I find other aspects of Reich’s analysis to have considerable merit.

      • Keith on July 21, 2015, 6:48 pm

        SIBIRIAK- “But how applicable is the sexual repression theory today?”

        The explanation that fascism was a consequence of sexual repression is just as ludicrous now as it was then. Furthermore, anyone who continues to take Freud and psychoanalysis seriously is crazy.

      • JLewisDickerson on July 22, 2015, 3:50 pm

        Barrington Moore Jr. (12 May 1913 – 16 October 2005)[1] was an American political sociologist famous for his Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy: Lord and Peasant in the Making of the Modern World (1966), a comparative study of modernization in Britain, France, the United States, China, Japan, Russia, Germany, and India, focusing on the sociohistorical conditions of totalitarianism.
        [PDF] Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracyhttp://polisci2.ucsd.edu/foundation/04Moore1966.pdf

      • JLewisDickerson on July 22, 2015, 9:05 pm

        Summary review of “The Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy”http://oldweb.northampton.ac.uk/ass/soc/nws/postmodernity/Soc_origins_sum.pdf

    • RoHa on July 21, 2015, 5:41 am

      “The question at the heart of Reich’s book was this: why did the masses turn to authoritarianism even though it is clearly against their interests?”

      I’m not sure that it would have been immediately obvious to the average German that Nazism was against their interests. The democracy of the Weimar Republic had afflicted them with unemployment and raging hyperinflation. The Nazi economic programme stopped the inflation and reduced unemployment. And the Nazis also gave Germans a sense of national pride.

      So if the German masses did support the Nazis (and I have seen claims that the support was not as enthusiastic as it seems) I don’t think we have to indulge in Reichian fantasies of sexual repression, orgone energy, and so forth in order to explain that support.

      • Mooser on July 21, 2015, 12:48 pm

        “I don’t think we have to indulge in Reichian fantasies of sexual repression, orgone energy, and so forth in order to explain that support.”

        Strictly speaking, no, it isn’t required, but it’s fun!

      • JLewisDickerson on July 21, 2015, 7:00 pm

        Yes, Reich’s “orgone energy” seems somewhat akin to the now-discarded “ether/aether”* of physics in the early 1900s. It’s hard to take it seriously nowadays, but as I read Reich’s book I find other aspects of his analysis (i.e., “mass psychology”) to have considerable merit.
        Also, the fascist takeover in Germany predated the economic improvements you refer to, so they do not explain why the German people allowed the fascist (as opposed to socialist/communist/Marxist) takeover in 1933. In contrast to economic self-interst, Nazi demagogic appeals to “national pride” (and its kissin’ cousin, anti-Semitism) certainly do:

        Reich noted that the symbolism of the swastika**, evoking the fantasy of the primal scene, showed in spectacular fashion how Nazism systematically manipulated the unconscious. A repressive family, a baneful religion, a sadistic educational system, the terrorism of the party, and economic violence all operated in and through individuals’ unconscious psychology of emotions, traumatic experiences, fantasies, libidinal economies, and so on, and Nazi political ideology and practice exacerbated and exploited these tendencies.[6]

        * Aether theories – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories

        ** P.S. Looking at photos of Netanyahu and many others, I can’t help but notice that Israel seems to use the Star of David much like Germany’s National Socialists used the swastika.

      • Keith on July 21, 2015, 7:02 pm

        ROHA- “I’m not sure that it would have been immediately obvious to the average German that Nazism was against their interests.”

        Indeed, under the circumstances, the Nazis may have appeared to be the lesser of two evils. Turning to Greece, with the betrayal of Syriza, will many Greeks turn to Golden Dawn in desperation? All part of a bigger plan? There is a long and sordid history of US support for European fascism for strategic reasons. Svaboda and Right Sector two recent examples.

      • RoHa on July 22, 2015, 1:15 am

        “Also, the fascist takeover in Germany predated the economic improvements you refer to, so they do not explain why the German people allowed the fascist (as opposed to socialist/communist/Marxist) takeover in 1933. In contrast to economic self-interst, Nazi demagogic appeals to “national pride” (and its kissin’ cousin, anti-Semitism) certainly do”

        In the economic chaos of the Weimar Republic, both parties had economic appeal, but the Nazis had a better demagogue as leader. And they never managed to get 50% of the vote.

        “Reich noted that the symbolism of the swastika**, evoking the fantasy of the primal scene, showed in spectacular fashion how Nazism systematically manipulated the unconscious.”

        To see a swastika as evoking the primal scene of sexual intercourse requires an imagination far more perverse than that of the average German. I think only a mind steeped in Freudian pseudo-science can manage it.

        I almost agree with Keith on this. To use psychoanalytic theory to explain political events may not be quite crazy, but it is certainly silly.

      • JLewisDickerson on July 22, 2015, 3:53 pm

        Barrington Moore Jr. (12 May 1913 – 16 October 2005) was an American political sociologist famous for his Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy: Lord and Peasant in the Making of the Modern World (1966), a comparative study of modernization in Britain, France, the United States, China, Japan, Russia, Germany, and India, focusing on the sociohistorical conditions of totalitarianism.
        [PDF] Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracyhttp://polisci2.ucsd.edu/foundation/04Moore1966.pdf

      • JLewisDickerson on July 22, 2015, 9:04 pm

        Summary review of “The Social Origins of Dictatorship and Democracy”http://oldweb.northampton.ac.uk/ass/soc/nws/postmodernity/Soc_origins_sum.pdf

  18. Abdul-Rahman on July 21, 2015, 7:14 am

    Zionist warmongers up to their usual hate, jingoism, and bluster. What really interested me in this one was how they are of course out in the open with saying America is supposedly their “enemy”, just because AIPAC’s tentacles have been outmaneuvered on this one. We can all see Tel Aviv is the REAL rogue regime with illegal nuclear weapons.

    Then also, the talk of Gog and Magog was also humorous/expected from some of the more end-timers in this crowd. According to most Biblical scholars Gog and Magog, of the Old Testament/Tanakh, was in some mysterious land probably around Antaolia or the Caucasus: with Lydia in ancient western Asia Minor often coming up in scholarly literature. Nothing at all to suggest it was ever Persia/Iran to start with!

    The charlatan Hagee’s predecessors like Hal Lindsey back in the ’70s and ’80s were of course fond of trying to say Gog and Magog was allegedly Russia and thus the big, bad Soviet Union at that time. Of course that fell apart for those end-times “prophets”. Who knows some of them have already been reviving that talk in recent years with Putin. I guess it doesn’t matter much to these doomsdayers that Russia and the US are not aligned, making how the US would join with “Gog and Magog” a bit of a headscratcher! It’s all a “pin the tail on the…” type game, for those who often charge that Obama is the Anti-Christ.

    If one is just guessing, what will this Zionist propagandist crowd say to: Gog and Magog must be the Khazars of the Caucasus, whom historian Shlomo Sand and geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik have presented an interesting scientific argument in relation to many Ashkenazi Jews today. Of course all of this is just trying to twist modern day things, peoples and events into something Biblical scholars associate with the contemporary world of the anonymous writers of what became the Bible, not a far distant future.

    One of the best books on this history for beginners I s a popular book from back in the late ’90s by a writer named Tim Callahan, entitled “Bible Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment?”. It was written back at the day of the scare about Y2K and the whole paranoia about the new millennium, but it still makes very good reading on many topics discussed here.

  19. Mondowise on July 21, 2015, 11:45 am

    amazes me that israel just doesn’t get the fact that …if…if…IF… iran had the same aggressive mentality as the zionist regime, or even a fraction of the zionist war-mongering ideology, israel would be long long long gone. that iran does in fact NOT have such insanity, that israel still stands after all their war threats to iran is proof enough that israel is safe from iran.

    • Mooser on July 21, 2015, 5:07 pm

      I’ve given up trying to distinguish what Israelis believe from what Israelis believe they can count on other people believing. But that’s all right, I don’t think Israelis can either.

  20. Deist on July 21, 2015, 1:42 pm

    The “revealed” religions and their fear-based superstitions don’t mix well with nuclear weapons. As the Deist Albert Einstein (Walter Isaacson describes Einstein as having Deistic beliefs in Einstein His Life and Universe) wrote, “The world that we have made as a result of the level of thinking that we have done so far, has created problems we cannot solve at the level of thinking at which we created them . . . . We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humankind is to survive.” I think the new manner of thinking that will help us greatly is Deism (belief in The Supreme Intelligence/God based on reason and Nature and rejection of the nonsense in the “revealed”/hearsay religions).

    Progress! Bob Johnson
    http://www.deism.com

    • RoHa on July 21, 2015, 8:22 pm

      Calling Einstein a Deist seems a bit too specific. His various comments on the topic of religion, as well as his admiration for Benedict Spinoza, seem to put him closer to a pantheist or panentheist position, though he was reluctant to apply such labels to himself.

      • Mooser on July 23, 2015, 6:26 pm

        Einstein was expected to be an all-around genius, and I think his opinion was solicited on almost every single subject. He was asked to sign almost every conceivable statement or petition or manifesto, during his day.

  21. piotr on July 21, 2015, 4:53 pm

    Someone mentioned attacks on scientists, which is a vile practice. I have a sweet spot on scientists, particularly, paleontologists who uncover various amazing creatures, and also biologists who sometimes find so-called “living fossils”, similar to their long extinct cousins. On that front, I was amazed by a today’s title:

    Moynihan’s message on BDS and Iran appeasement: We’ve got to stop this

  22. Mooser on July 21, 2015, 5:00 pm

    “Someone mentioned attacks on scientists, which is a vile practice.”

    Oh, that would be our very own “Classic Left” squatter and freebooter, who suggests:

    “Why kill only Iranian scientists?
    If we kill scientists from all over we could create a situation in which there’s noone left to boycott us.” -“Jon s” See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/israelis-jerusalem-attack#comment-783546

    Ah, “the Israeli Left” always has ideas to save the country.

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