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The following press release was issued today:

Over 1,000 Black activists, artists, scholars, students, and organizations have released a statement reaffirming their “solidarity with the Palestinian struggle and commitment to the liberation of Palestine’s land and people.” The list of signatories includes scholar-activists Angela Davis and Cornel West, political prisoners Mumia Abu-Jamal and Sundiata Acoli, rappers Talib Kweli, Boots Riley and Jasiri X, and Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors. 40 organizations signed, including the Florida-based Dream Defenders and St. Louis-based Hands Up United and Tribe X, which were founded after the killings of Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown, respectively, as well as the 35-year-old Organization for Black Struggle in St. Louis.

The statement debuted Tuesday afternoon on the website of Ebony, the largest Black publication in the US.

“We urge people of conscience to recognize the struggle for Palestinian liberation as a key matter of our time,” the statement asserts. It also calls on the US government to end diplomatic and economic aid to Israel, for Black and US institutions to support the Palestinian call for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel until it complies with its obligations under international law, and for supporters of Black and Palestinian liberation to target private security company G4S for boycotts and divestment.

Over the past 15 months, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, United Methodist Church,United Church of Christ, and Columbia University have all divested from G4S following pressure from Black and Palestinian human rights activists.

“G4S harms thousands of Palestinian political prisoners illegally held in Israel and hundreds of Black and brown youth held in its privatized juvenile prisons in the US,” the statement reads.“The corporation profits from incarceration and deportation from the US and Palestine, to the UK, South Africa, and Australia. We reject notions of ‘security’ that make any of our groups unsafe and insist no one is free until all of us are.”

The statement represents a bridge between the current generation of Black activists and those who participated in the movements of the 1960s and 70s. Other signatories include the Black Panther Party’s Minister of Culture Emory Douglas, former SNCC chairman Phil Hutchings, as well as Kwame Somburu and Emeritus Professor Charles E. Simmons. Hutchings, Somburu and Simmons were all signatories of a 1970 ad in The New York Times of Black activists and scholars in support of the Palestinian struggle against Zionism and the occupation.

Over 330 current students signed, including Black or Afrikan Student Unions at Columbia, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Yale, and the Stanford NAACP Executive Committee. 150 scholars and 220 artists signed the statement as well. People have signed onto the statement from 25 different countries, 37 U.S. states, and the District of Columbia. Ten current political prisoners signed the statement, including Mumia Abu-Jamal, Sundiata Acoli, Kevin “Rashid” Johnson, Ayyub Abdul-Alim, and Shaylanna Luvme.

The statement comes in the wake of a year of high-profile  expressions of solidarity between Black and Palestinian people that began last summer with the simultaneous unfolding of Israel’s killing of 2,200 people in Gaza and the uprising in Ferguson, Missouri following the police killing of Mike Brown.

Since last August, a delegation of Palestinian students has visited Black organizers in St. Louis, Detroit, and Florida among other locations. The Florida-based group Dream Defenders voted to unanimously endorse the BDS movement at its December congress, just weeks before bringing a delegation of activists from Florida, Ferguson, and Black Lives Matter to Palestine.

“We’re at a crucial moment in the global struggle against racism, in which the Black and Palestinian struggles play a crucial role,” said statement co-organizer Kristian Davis Bailey. “We wish to send a loud and clear message to Palestinians, as well as the governments of the US and Israel that now is the time for Palestinian liberation, just as now is the time for our own in the United States.”

Statement co-organizer Khury Petersen-Smith said that justice for Palestinians is not simply limited to ending the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

“The foundation of the Israeli state came through the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, and every day since has involved oppression and violence toward the Palestinian population, both within and outside of Israel’s recognized borders,” Petersen-Smith said.  “While there are differences between Israel and the US, we see parallels with a country that was founded on the enslavement of Black people and where anti-Black racism remains at the heart of US society centuries later.”

Bailey said he hopes the statement reaches widely within Palestinian society and encourages more constant interaction between the two movements: “Now is the time for us to re-educate our communities about the struggles the other group faces. Now is the time for us to unite across borders. Together we will achieve our liberation.”

Visit www.blackforpalestine.com for the full list of signatories and more information. You can also follow the statement on Facebook and Twitter.

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Black Solidarity Statement with Palestine

The past year has been one of high-profile growth for Black-Palestinian solidarity. Out of the terror directed against us—from numerous attacks on Black life to Israel’s brutal war on Gaza and chokehold on the West Bank—strengthened resilience and joint-struggle have emerged between our movements. Palestinians on Twitter were among the first to provide international support for protesters in Ferguson, where St. Louis-based Palestinians gave support on the ground. Last November, a delegation of Palestinian students visited Black organizers in St. Louis, Atlanta, Detroit and many other cities, just months before the Dream Defenders took representatives of Black Lives Matter, Ferguson, and other racial justice groups to Palestine. Throughout the year, Palestinians sent multiple letters of solidarity to us throughout protests in Ferguson, New York, and Baltimore. We offer this statement to continue the conversation between our movements:

On the anniversary of last summer’s Gaza massacre, in the 48th year of Israeli occupation, the 67th year of Palestinians’ ongoing Nakba (the Arabic word for Israel’s ethnic cleansing)—and in the fourth century of Black oppression in the present-day United States—we, the undersigned Black activists, artists, scholars, writers, and political prisoners offer this letter of reaffirmed solidarity with the Palestinian struggle and commitment to the liberation of Palestine’s land and people.

We can neither forgive nor forget last summer’s violence. We remain outraged at the brutality Israel unleashed on Gaza through its siege by land, sea and air, and three military offensives in six years. We remain sickened by Israel’s targeting of homes, schools, UN shelters, mosques,ambulances, and hospitals. We remain heartbroken and repulsed by the number of children Israel killed in an operation it called “defensive.” We reject Israel’s framing of itself as a victim. Anyone who takes an honest look at the destruction to life and property in Gaza can see Israel committed a one-sided slaughter. With 100,000 people still homeless in Gaza, the massacre’s effects continue to devastate Gaza today and will for years to come.

Israel’s injustice and cruelty toward Palestinians is not limited to Gaza and its problem is not with any particular Palestinian party. The oppression of Palestinians extends throughout the occupied territories, within Israel’s 1948 borders, and into neighboring countries. The Israeli Occupation Forces continue to kill protesters—including children—conduct night raids on civilians, hold hundreds of people under indefinite detention, and demolish homes while expanding illegalJewish-only settlements. Israeli politicians, including Benjamin Netanyahu, incite against Palestinian citizens within Israel’s recognized borders, where over 50 laws discriminate against non-Jewish people.

Our support extends to those living under occupation and siege, Palestinian citizens of Israel, and the 7 million Palestinian refugees exiled in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestine. The refugees’ right to return to their homeland in present-day Israel is the most important aspect of justice for Palestinians.

Palestinian liberation represents an inherent threat to Israeli settler colonialism and apartheid, an apparatus built and sustained on ethnic cleansing, land theft, and the denial of Palestinian humanity and sovereignty. While we acknowledge that the apartheid configuration in Israel/Palestine is unique from the United States (and South Africa), we continue to see connections between the situation of Palestinians and Black people.

Israel’s widespread use of detention and imprisonment against Palestinians evokes the mass incarceration of Black people in the US, including the political imprisonment of our own revolutionaries. Soldiers, police, and courts justify lethal force against us and our children who pose no imminent threat. And while the US and Israel would continue to oppress us without collaborating with each other, we have witnessed police and soldiers from the two countries train side-by-side.

US and Israeli officials and media criminalize our existence, portray violence against us as “isolated incidents,” and call our resistance “illegitimate” or “terrorism.” These narratives ignore decades and centuries of anti-Palestinian and anti-Black violence that have always been at the core of Israel and the US. We recognize the racism that characterizes Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is also directed against others in the region, including intolerance, police brutality, and violence against Israel’s African population. Israeli officials call asylum seekers from Sudan and Eritrea “infiltrators” and detain them in the desert, while the state has sterilized Ethiopian Israeliswithout their knowledge or consent. These issues call for unified action against anti-Blackness, white supremacy, and Zionism.

We know Israel’s violence toward Palestinians would be impossible without the US defending Israel on the world stage and funding its violence with over $3 billion annually. We call on the US government to end economic and diplomatic aid to Israel. We wholeheartedly endorse Palestinian civil society’s 2005 call for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel and call on Black and US institutions and organizations to do the same. We urge people of conscience to recognize the struggle for Palestinian liberation as a key matter of our time.

As the BDS movement grows, we offer G4S, the world’s largest private security company, as a target for further joint struggle. G4S harms thousands of Palestinian political prisoners illegally held in Israel and hundreds of Black and brown youth held in its privatized juvenile prisons in the US. The corporation profits from incarceration and deportation from the US and Palestine, to the UK, South Africa, and Australia. We reject notions of “security” that make any of our groups unsafe and insist no one is free until all of us are.

We offer this statement first and foremost to Palestinians, whose suffering does not go unnoticed and whose resistance and resilience under racism and colonialism inspires us. It is to Palestinians, as well as the Israeli and US governments, that we declare our commitment to working through cultural, economic, and political means to ensure Palestinian liberation at the same time as we work towards our own. We encourage activists to use this statement to advance solidarity with Palestine and we also pressure our own Black political figures to finally take action on this issue. As we continue these transnational conversations and interactions, we aim to sharpen our practice of joint struggle against capitalism, colonialism, imperialism, and the various racisms embedded in and around our societies.

Towards liberation,

(View list of signatories here.)

Mondoweiss Editors

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  1. Blaine Coleman on August 18, 2015, 8:12 pm

    Thank you for the excellent statement against Apartheid Israel.

    It carries forward a strong trend in Black intellectual history dating back to Malcolm X’s writings in 1964. That trend was rooted in Black resentment over Israel’s war on Egypt in 1956, and over the collapse of white leftists’ morals as they rushed to support Israel.

    That trend was further developed in a 1971 full-page ad in the New York Times, entitled “An Appeal by Black Americans Against United States Support of the Zionist Government of Israel”. You can read the 1971 ad at: http://www.a2vigil.org/blacksagainstzionism2.gif

    So today, in 2015, the bulk of Black political thought calls on “the US government to end economic and diplomatic aid to Israel. We wholeheartedly endorse Palestinian civil society’s 2005 call for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel and call on Black and US institutions and organizations to do the same.”

    Thank you again. Remember that U.S. campuses open up in a couple of weeks, as September begins. […]

    • hophmi on August 19, 2015, 2:27 pm

      Malcolm X, who found common cause with the American Nazi Party.

      • Keith on August 19, 2015, 3:09 pm

        HOPHMI- “Malcolm X, who found common cause with the American Nazi Party.”

        Menachem Begin, who found common cause with the German Nazi Party.

      • wondering jew on August 19, 2015, 3:22 pm

        Keith- I know about Yair Stern’s (Lehi or FFI or Stern Gang) contacts or attempts to contact the Nazi party. But Begin and the IZL? Please explain.

      • Keith on August 19, 2015, 5:17 pm

        YONAH FREDMAN- “But Begin and the IZL? Please explain.”

        Shamir was Stern’s successor in LEHI, Begin remained in the Irgun. Both had a fascistic orientation. Shamir attempted to form an alliance with Nazi Germany, Begin merely emulated them.

        “Mussolini set up squadrons of the Revisionist Zionist youth movement, Betar, in black shirts in emulation of his own Fascist bands. When Menachem Begin became chief of Betar, he preferred the brown shirts of the Hitler gangs, a uniform Begin and Betar members wore to all meetings and rallies — at which they greeted each other and opened and closed meetings with the fascist salute.” (p48, The Hidden History of Zionism, Ralph Schoenman)

      • Danaa on August 20, 2015, 4:23 pm

        Yonah, begin was a follower of the criminally minded Zhabotinsky, who called for pretty much anything just barely short of outright genocide against Palestinians. In Israel they actually name streets after that guy and give awards in his name. It was the Israeli people who elected prime ministers who followed Zhabotinsky’s fascist inhumane calling and supported the terrorism he called for. In fact, they instituted it outright, causing the murder of countless human beings, all in the name of “Am Israel Chai”.

        And to this day, a majority of people in israel, secular ones, people who consider themselves to be otherwise good people, they read, follow and even admire the preachings of this fascist individual.

        Then they proceed to whitewash his name in the west so they can continue to be schnorers off the American taxpayers.

      • DaBakr on August 20, 2015, 5:28 pm

        @K @y.f.

        as I expected. ralph schoenman (not necessarily a Jewish name-btw) is about as respected a ‘scholar’ as Donald Trump. There isn’t even a decent review of the so-called book except for slavering fans who bought it online. And the exaggerations are noted. It was hardly an “alliance” that Shamir tried for as his goal was getting Jews out of Germany before they would eventually be murdered. And the weak ‘assumption’ about Begin is simply that-unsupported and weak.
        The only truth afaics is that before WW2 many leftist , marxist and other so-called ‘progressive’ groups flirted with facism. (which very likely means that had PW and MW been around back then he would have also flirted with it too). It quickly changed as the evil of the Nazi higher-ups became more apparent as well as the overwhelming majority of apathy and antipathy of most Russian, Polish and European citizens proved that no alliance could be trusted or even had-except on the sly.

      • Keith on August 21, 2015, 2:36 pm

        DABAKR- “as I expected. ralph schoenman (not necessarily a Jewish name-btw) is about as respected a ‘scholar’ as Donald Trump.”

        The issue is Begin’s actions, not Schoenman’s credentials, which you shamelessly and unfairly belittle. Has Schoenman accurately described Begin or not? I am a little surprised that you are coming to Begin’s defense in view of the fact that future Israeli Prime Ministers Begin (Irgun) and Shamir (LEHI) were NOTORIOUS fascist sympathizers and vicious terrorists. How notorious? When Begin visited the US in 1948, prominent American Jews including Albert Einstein and Hannah Arendt sent a letter to the New York Times highlighting Begin’s unsavory past. Below is a quote and a link to the article. I encourage folks to follow the link and otherwise investigate the sordid history of Menachem Begin and Yitzak Shamir and then decide who is telling the truth. DaBakr’s version of events is shameless Zionist apologetics, nothing more.

        “Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

        The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin’s political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.” (Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, et al) https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/albert-einstein-letter-to-the-new-york-times-december-4-1948-protesting-against-zionist-terrorist-leader-menachem-begin-and-the-genocide-of-palestinians/

    • Mooser on August 19, 2015, 4:09 pm

      Thanks, “Blaine”! Interesting and informative comment. I didn’t know about the NYTs ad. The entire ad, and its list of signers, can be read at the link.

      • Pixel on August 19, 2015, 11:32 pm

        Ditto.

  2. JWalters on August 18, 2015, 8:18 pm

    This seems like a big deal to me. In part, it opens another front on the discussions of both these bigotries. Equally important, it puts a spotlight on the profit motives that keep these bigotries inflamed. This is not new – slavery in the U.S. was pushed in part for British textile industry profits. South Carolina provided a closer cotton supply than India.

  3. annie on August 18, 2015, 9:17 pm

    thank you!

    • just on August 18, 2015, 10:00 pm

      Outstanding article MW editors~ many thanks!

      This is such an awesome and palpable action and statement~ huge thanks to all of the “1,000 Black activists, scholars and artists” who worked together to build natural bridges and solidarity and call others to action! I absolutely LOVE the closing “Towards liberation”.

      (earlier I linked to EI’s article titled “Palestinian liberation is “key matter of our time,” say Black leaders”

      @ https://electronicintifada.net/content/palestinian-liberation-key-matter-our-time-say-black-leaders/14783)

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 1:28 am

        we didn’t write it just. they sent it to us a few days ago and ask us to hold it “embargoed” til this afternoon informing us they would send the final list of signatories this afternoon (3 pm est) it’s exciting! did you read the list of organizations??

        1. All-African People’s Revolutionary Party (GC) – United States
        2. Amistad Law Project – West Philadelphia
        3. Assata’s Daughters – Chicago, IL
        4. Baltimore Bloc – Baltimore, MD
        5. Barry University Black Student Union – Miami, FL
        6. Black Autonomy Federation-North East Branch – New York City
        7. Black Bottom, LLC – Detroit, MI
        8. Black Student Alliance at Yale – New Haven, CT
        9. Black Student Alliance Executive Board – St. Louis University, St. Louis, MO
        10. Black Student Union at UC Berkeley – Berkeley, CA
        11. Black Unity Group – San Jose, CA
        12. Black Workers For Justice – North Carolina
        13. BlaQue UCLA – Los Angeles, CA
        14. Coalition of African Lesbians – Africa
        15. Columbia University Black Students’ Organization – New York, NY
        16. Columbus Coalition on Mental Health, Addiction & Mass Incarceration – Columbus, Ohio
        17. Detroit Youth Volume – Detroit, MI
        18. Dorothy Cotton Institute – Ithaca, NY
        19. Friends of the Congo – Washington, DC
        20. Hands Up United Saint Louis – MO
        21. Institute of the Black World 21st Century, Atlanta, GA
        22. James and Grace Lee Boggs Center to Nurture Community Leadership, Detroit, MI
        23. MAD Mothers NL (Mothers Against Discrimination and Racism Netherlands) Netherlands
        24. Malcolm X Grassroots Movement, New Afrika
        25. Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment (MORE), St. Louis, MO
        26. Muslims for Economic, Racial and Reproductive Justice, United States
        27. Network for the Elimination of Police Violence, Toronto
        28. New Afrikan Independence Party – Pittsburgh, PA
        29. Organization for Black Struggle – St. Louis, MO
        30. Peace by Piece – USA
        31. Progressive Millennials for Action – Chicago, Illinois
        32. Spoken Word Alliance at Tufts Medford, MA
        33. Stanford NAACP Executive Committee Palo Alto, CA
        34. The Dream Defenders Miami, FL
        35. The Freedom Archives San Francisco, CA
        36. Tribe X St. Louis, MO
        37. Tufts Pan-African Alliance Medford, MA
        38. UCLA Afrikan Student Union Los Angeles, CA
        39. Ujima People’s Progress Party Baltimore
        40. We Are the Ones Boston, MA
        41. We The People of Detroit, Detroit, MI
        42. Wisdom Within Health & Wellness

        tears come to my eyes. and when i read all the individual names too. this is our future, our today. a blessing of solidarity.

      • just on August 19, 2015, 1:52 am

        I did, Annie!

        It’s so terribly exciting and moving. I so appreciated that all of the info is available in Arabic, too.

        From the website link:

        “Below are some ideas and resources for taking next steps with this statement. Feel free to contact us for more information.”

        I can see it growing by leaps and bounds. They’re planning on it!

  4. Donald on August 18, 2015, 9:27 pm

    Wow. This could be really big.

    Incidentally, one of the things Jeremiah Wright was criticized for back in 2008 was his criticism of Israel and Obama came to Israel’s defense in his famous race speech. The mainstream overlooked that– the fact that Obama felt it necessary to mention that issue in a speech largely about race in America, but I suppose there were donors to reassure.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-speech-read-th_n_92077.html

    • Krauss on August 18, 2015, 11:40 pm

      Yes, good catch. I’ve seen similar things from mainstream black celebs like Chris Rock. Always is careful to tiptoe around Zionism.

      Also, we’ll see how many white liberal Zionists or just white liberals complicit in Zionism, will declare that brown lives matter if and when this issue starts to rise with the same vigor that they have embraced BLM. I’m looking at you, Lena Dunham.

      • Pixel on August 19, 2015, 11:35 pm

        Indeed.

    • RockyMissouri on August 19, 2015, 4:25 pm

      Love and respect Rev. Wright. An honorable man who only spoke the truth.

  5. Boomer on August 18, 2015, 9:36 pm

    Outstanding. Puts the emphasis where it should be.

  6. MHughes976 on August 18, 2015, 9:46 pm

    I thought at the time that the Jeremiah Wright business was really the intrusion of the ME problem into the Clinton/Obama contest – it was the grand attempt to divide Obama from his Jewish supporters and donors. Obama had to reassure them with promises that he had to keep and that was the moment when he gained the world and lost a chunk of his soul. In return he received hollow assurances that Israel would be reasonable and make steady progress towards the half-mythical 2ss.

    • PeaceThroughJustice on August 18, 2015, 11:21 pm

      Yes. The mass coverage was all about “God damn America,” but actually Wright’s statements about zionism were what the elites were all talking about. For anyone who needs a refresher, the Wikipedia page has input from all the usual suspects, including Jeffrey Goldberg and the ADL–
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright#Controversies

      • MHughes976 on August 19, 2015, 8:10 am

        I was visiting my family in the United States at the time (back again today: great country!) and saw the incident unfold. Samantha Power of all people was heard to say that Clinton was a monster and I thought there was truth in it. I now suspect that Clinton calmed her own conscience by telling herself that she was resisting anti-Semitism. Both the sheer outrageous cynicism of the event and the terrifying way in which the ME issue lay just beneath the surface, not clearly faced, deeply shook me.
        If Wright had remained in touch with Obama then some legitimacy would have been given to those Black intellectuals who do not favour Zionism and progressive Jewish groups would have drawn close to them. This is the very force which we see rallying now, the subject of this article. We talk about the effect on Obama himself but we should think also of the effect on Wright and his cohorts, who were knocked into the middle of next week amid the general assumption that they were crazy irresponsible big mouths at very best. It’s taken them all these years to come back.

      • Donald on August 19, 2015, 9:44 am

        It was a suffocating dynamic–Obama was an historic figure, the first black man with a real shot at the Presidency and when Wright defended himself he was seen as “egocentric”‘ which is the phrase always used on people who point out the emperor has no clothes during an election season. It was maddening, actually–Obama used his speech on race to slip in some hasbara. It’s why I never really trusted him during his first few months in office when he did make some attempt to pressure the Israelis. The campaign showed he wouldn’t stand up to much pressure on this subject. He also distanced himself from Rashid Khalidi during the campaign.

      • Kris on August 19, 2015, 11:09 am

        Dr. Wright’s sermon is worth watching again, not only because it’s brilliant, but also because it’s such a good example of how the U.S. media deliberately twists and misrepresents the views of critics of the U.S. and Israel governments.

    • lysias on August 19, 2015, 10:47 am

      And yet, right after Obama was elected in 2008, Israel was quick to mount the atrocity of Cast Lead. One has to assume, on the basis of the timing (during the interregnum between the U.S. election and Obama’s inauguration) and the Hanukkah-associated name of the operation, that the timing had been decided far in advance.

      • RockyMissouri on August 19, 2015, 4:35 pm

        Kris: Thank you so very much..!! How can anyone find fault with what he is saying… when he is speaking the TRUTH…?!

    • Kathleen on August 20, 2015, 11:13 pm

      Kris thanks for that link. Had never watched the whole piece. Damn no wonder people are in fear of what Rev Wright has to say. He flat out speaks the truth with intensity that moves right into your toes Few people want to hear the facts about this country built on genocide and enslavement. Committed atrocities around the world Powerful!

  7. jhitchcock on August 18, 2015, 9:49 pm

    Great news!

    I have to wonder how most of these black activists would feel about working with Weir or others who seek out white supremacist audiences? Is abiding by universal antiracist principles starting to make more sense to some of you?

    • Kris on August 18, 2015, 11:00 pm

      @jhitchcock: “Is abiding by universal antiracist principles starting to make more sense to some of you?”

      No. What is starting to make sense to me is the idea that not everyone who talks about achieving universal human rights for Palestinians and for blacks is singing from the universal justice even for Palestinians hymnbook. Check out these excellent and, to me, convincing comments by Danaa > http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/roundtable-palestinian-solidarity#comment-791006
      and irishmoses > http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/roundtable-palestinian-solidarity#comment-791338

      I can’t get into purges, especially ones over such sketchy claims as yours.

      • just on August 18, 2015, 11:17 pm

        +10, Kris!!!

      • jhitchcock on August 18, 2015, 11:18 pm

        Sorry, Kris, but the links didn’t take me directly to their comments. Are you referring to the recent comment (by Danaa, I think) that the Weir issue is one of (disingenuous) Liberal/Left Zionists vs. real Palestinian Freedom fighters?

        If so, a major point that everyone still seems to be missing and no one has yet directly addressed in that thread to my knowledge is a point I also made in my original piece: that PALESTINIAN BDS leaders, including Abunimah, Barghouti, and many others very forcefully and publicly disavowed Atzmon and don’t want anything to do with him because of his antisemitic rhetoric: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/palestinian-and-palestine-solidarity-activists-issue-critique-and-condemnation-of-gilad-atzmon

        Are they part of the Liberal/Left Zionist faction that is against Palestinian freedom too? Is the BDS movement itself a tool of Israel designed and directed to undermine the real Palestinian solidarity movement, to which Weir, and apparently most of the MW commenters, belong?

        You all can disagree with that decision if you want, but if I have to choose, I am going with the Palestinian leaders of BDS.

        Universal antiracism includes opposing antisemitism.

        And it still sounds like many of the commenters still need to figure out what antisemitism is exactly because while it is like other forms of racism and bigotry, like all specific forms of bigotry, it also has unique characteristics about which several commenters seem to be ignorant, not care, or even actually believe.

        I happen to think that it benefits Palestinian solidarity activists to be able to distinguish.

        Someday hopefully you guys will get it.

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 3:24 am

        Sorry, Kris, but the links didn’t take me directly to their comments.

        funny, cuz it worked for me. none the less i bolded it for you so if you scroll up and try again you should be able to find it. i’d advise reading it. i know, danaa is likely old and white like the rest of us. but since she grew up in israel you might be able to learn something from her. she just might have a familiarity with that culture that might interest you. click on her name and check her archives. since, as i just found out checking yours, you are: working on a dissertation analyzing the rhetoric of the BDS movement – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jhitchcock#sthash.eGwwoz2o.dpuf

        lovely. our white savior is studying us. how special.

        Are you referring to …If so, a major point

        no, he wasn’t. but that was an oh so smooth divert segue.

        everyone still seems to be missing and no one has yet directly addressed

        no dear, we didn’t miss it. we just recognize using examples of bds activists’ responses to a completely different person can’t be used to make your point loose and free w/no reference pt. (remember, you don’t have quotes). because, well, they are different people. plus you have not even read her book.

        as i mentioned in my first comment to you (oh so many comments ago) your rhetorical skills are lacking. you use all the same point scoring techniques used in the hasbara handbook. hence, we recognize them. because we’ve been doing this for awhile.

        many of the commenters still need to figure out what antisemitism is

        jennifer, would it be possible to move your obsession back to the round table on weir anti semitism? or do you find it particularly relevant to have that particular discussion here in this thread?

        and when you write your dissertation — how will you portray yourself? as an a member of the discussion, the leader or merely an observer?

      • just on August 18, 2015, 11:36 pm

        “I have to wonder how most of these black activists would feel about working with Weir or others who seek out white supremacist audiences?”

        One would have to accept your premise as fact in order to really wonder about that honestly or even ask that question.

        I do not.

        “Someday hopefully you guys will get it.”

        That’s sweeping condescension. Bye.

      • tokyobk on August 18, 2015, 11:50 pm

        Jhitchcock:

        “And it still sounds like many of the commenters still need to figure out what antisemitism is exactly because while it is like other forms of racism and bigotry, like all specific forms of bigotry, it also has unique characteristics about which several commenters seem to be ignorant, not care, or even actually believe.”

        Some are just tired of BS accusations of anti-Semitism.
        Some don’t care and for some Jews are the interesting part of this, so they don’t want that part diminished even though it would be quite helpful for everyone especially Palestinians (imho) . This , for example, describes much of Atzmon’s audience for example.

      • PeaceThroughJustice on August 19, 2015, 1:44 am

        tokyoBK: ” and for some Jews are the interesting part of this”

        Said the founder of a Jews-only club.
        http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/shmully-and-guilt

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 2:41 am

        i so wish i had been a fly on that wall.

      • tokyobk on August 19, 2015, 2:07 am

        PeaceThroughJustice August 19, 2015, 1:44 am
        tokyoBK: ” and for some Jews are the interesting part of this”

        Said the founder of a Jews-only club.

        You’re ignorant. Or, perhaps you believe that any Jewish engagement is necessarily exclusive.

        The club I founded was never Jews only. Members have been from every religious background and none. And my purpose was to bend normal rules of community engagement, which is the reason you know about it.

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 10:46 am

        perhaps you believe that any Jewish engagement is necessarily exclusive….my purpose was to bend normal rules of community engagement, which is the reason you know about it.

        we know about it because phil wrote about it. and if inviting phil is you bending normal rules of community engagement — ok, you’re diverse. the article is there for all to read. from memory, it seemed cultish almost. it’s been a while since i read it tho, my memory could be playing tricks on me.

      • W.Jones on August 19, 2015, 2:17 am

        Hello, Jennifer, again.

        I saw that your website is: http://supportisraelfreepalestine.org/

        I understand the importance of supporting peace between the parties and “freeing” an occupied people. But what do you have in mind when you emphasize supporting the Israeli state?

      • Sibiriak on August 19, 2015, 4:44 am

        W.Jones: what do you have in mind when you emphasize supporting the Israeli state?
        ———————–

        I hope you don’t mind my jumping in here….

        Do you think its valid to distinguish “Israel” –the full human reality, Jewish and non-Jewish– from “the Israeli state” ?

        Could ending the occupation and transforming Israel into a secular-liberal democracy, free of all ethnocratic and theocratic features–could that be construed as “supporting Israel”?

        Can one be anti-Zionist and “support Israel” at the same time?

        Does a “pro-Palestinian” position have to be branded as “anti-Israel”?

        It’s often asserted at this site and others that the attainment of BDS goals does NOT necessarily mean the demise of Israel (its supposedly “agnostic” on the question of one or two states), so can’t one support BDS , Palestinian rights AND Israel?

        (I’m not presuming answers to those questions.)

      • just on August 19, 2015, 9:10 am

        “and when you write your dissertation — how will you portray yourself? as an a member of the discussion, the leader or merely an observer?”

        Thanks for bringing it up, Annie.

        I don’t know why I resisted citing her bio finally, but I did.

        “I am a PhD student in Rhetoric, Writing, and Discourse Studies at Old Dominion University and am working on a dissertation analyzing the rhetoric of the BDS movement”, – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jhitchcock#sthash.eGwwoz2o.pP7tbU2k.dpuf

        I’m all for educational endeavor, but I cannot shake the feeling that this PhD candidate is using MW as her lab. The patronizing and mocking attitude is distinctly unpleasant. I’m certainly not impressed with her own rhetoric.

        from Oxford:

        rhetoric
        [ ˈretərik ]
        NOUN
        the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

      • MHughes976 on August 19, 2015, 2:57 pm

        Like just I worry about the condescending tone. Would Black (or other) activists who think it important to oppose oppression of the Palestinians (or anyone else) in public fashion decline to work with someone who has a) followed that very imperative for a long time b) made public statements sometimes through suspect media? The problem for the activists would be that these statements, though made in a good cause, may add legitimacy to bad people – bad precisely because they wish to damage the activists’ own core supporters, on whose behalf they speak.
        They would, I think, not decline to work with that person if they were morally consistent. The imperative ‘Speak!’ does not naturally have an exception clause calling for silence when bad people are around, particularly not when you may suffer some damage for it: the whole idea of a moral imperative to help others is that you accept the risk of some damage to yourself.
        They should also reflect on the fact that the person concerned is ex hypothesi miles ahead of them morally, having been acting on the principle they have adopted long before they did. I too reflect that I was much slower than others in these things.

      • Keith on August 19, 2015, 3:51 pm

        TOKYOBK- “You’re ignorant. Or, perhaps you believe that any Jewish engagement is necessarily exclusive….The club I founded was never Jews only.”

        PHIL- “A year ago I met a scholar named Ben Karp who asked if I would come for Sabbath dinner at a Jewish society at Yale called Eliezer. Karp co-founded Eliezer 15 years ago. It is a members-only society that takes Jewishness and Judaism seriously, he said.”

        So, Ben, is Phil a liar? Or is there a significant difference between a members-only Jewish society which takes Judaism and Jewishness seriously and a Jews only society?

    • PeaceThroughJustice on August 18, 2015, 11:32 pm

      jhitchcock: “Is abiding by universal antiracist principles starting to make more sense to some of you?”

      No, we’re all against “universal antiracist principles” here.

      (What a silly girl.)

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 2:12 am

        (What a silly girl.)

        consider the source. this is the same person who assumed a long thread was packed with people she called “white” — because not everyone appreciated her helpful white savior comments. or something. maybe it is because we all use the same font. she’s so white she isn’t or something. she’s moved beyond her skin unlike us old folks who were actually born yesterday. plus, she assumed we didn’t know what hip hop was and enlightened us with a DAM link and a little insult like she was throwing us candy. one we’ve link to many times in these here threads and everyone here has listened too without a doubt. she thought us “old” people might not listen to hip hop because – like her generation invented it or something. zzzzz

        racists ageists, don’t ya just love em.

    • tokyobk on August 18, 2015, 11:43 pm

      Anti-colonialist:

      She wasn’t clear enough in her statement about universal anti-racist principles?

      Or, does every #antisemtismmatters need an #allracismmatters rspsonse?

      While many claims of anti-semitism are ridiculous covers for Israeli bad behavior, I think I have never seen -any- claim of anti-Semitism not parsed into meaninglessness here. Even O’Keefe laughingly recalling his growing awareness of the truth in “Fuckin Jew” as a slur.

      Such as in just under the passage Kris quotes:

      “PeaceThroughJustice: I didn’t realize that O’Keefe didn’t actually say “F*ck’n Jews” like posters here have claimed. ”
      ————————
      [Sibiriak August 18, 2015, 12:41 am]

      In fact, he referred to the expression “f*ck’n Jew” as the worst insult there was when he was growing up, and that looking back he realized that the expression embodied some truth, that it represented some generalized awareness of the [highly negative] Jewish impact on human history. In short, bigotry toward Jews is justified.”

      But, that;s not anti-Semitism apparently.

      • Donald on August 19, 2015, 9:32 am

        Tokyobk–

        I was very annoyed with you a month ago when you assumed I downplayed antisemitism on principle. I don’t–I try to go on a case by case basis. In that case Annie and I (we were both criticized by you) didn’t think that the conservative Christian belief that unsaved Jews were going to hell was antisemitic for the simple reason that they don’t single out Jews. Now any given fundamentalist Christian might or might not be antisemitic based on other things he or she thinks, but that particular belief isn’t one of them.

        But I have to say I read at your profile your comments in the monster thread and found myself agreeing with them. Most blog comment sections I have visited develop a culture and a set of attitudes, rational or not–if you stick with the prevailing attitudes you’re fine and if you go against one then expect to be mobbed, expect that any attempt you make to be nuanced and detailed will be treated as a big target list–your best points will be ignored and people will zoom in on whatever weaknesses there may be in what you say, because the really important goal in the local culture is to destroy the heretic. You can agree with 90 percent of what the local culture believes, but if you write about the 10 percent where you don’t, it won’t matter. You are One of Them. I’ve seen this at blogs where I lurk most of the time, don’t consider myself one of the gang, comment once in a while and otherwise observe as an outsider. Here I am part of the gang and I usually keep my head low on the 10 percent, but have said enough to be accused of closet Zionism when I stray. Frankly, I should say more, but it’s a freaking blog comment section–it’s not worth the aggravation.

        Here as you observe the word “antisemitism” sets people off. This is in large part because the accusation is often made falsely to shut down criticism of Israel or Zionism, but some think that any accusation that someone is antisemitic or insensitive to it means you are trying to distract attention from Israeli crimes.

      • W.Jones on August 19, 2015, 12:48 pm

        Here as you observe the word “antisemitism” sets people off. This is in large part because the accusation is often made falsely to shut down criticism of Israel or Zionism, but some think that any accusation that someone is antisemitic or insensitive to it means you are trying to distract attention from Israeli crimes.

        Hello, Donald.
        I think that few people would agree that any accusation of antisemitism means that the accuser is trying to distract from progressive goals. If you are accusing Holocaust deniers of it, I doubt that few people would be set off against you.

        But if an organization would ban a longterm human rights activist on grounds of Holocaust denial because of some indirect comments or writings (like Chomsky’s essay on Faurisson in the Faurisson Affair), how should other Solidarity activsts respond?

    • Sibiriak on August 19, 2015, 1:36 am

      jhitchcock: Is abiding by universal antiracist principles starting to make more sense to some of you?
      ————————-

      I find your condescending tone quite off-putting.

      Nobody is disputing antiracist principles; it’s the specifics of their (mis)application that is in question.

    • PeaceThroughJustice on August 19, 2015, 2:50 am

      tokyoBK: “Members have been from every religious background and none.”

      You’re right, I’m sorry. In fact, didn’t you have Sammy Davis Jr. over once?

      In any event, people can read Phil’s account to form their own opinion of just how much universalism you and Shmully cultivated.

    • mariapalestina on August 19, 2015, 11:16 am

      Jennifer, I have to wonder why you continue to accuse Alison Weir of seeking out white supremacist audiences.

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 2:34 pm

        you continue to accuse Alison Weir of seeking out white supremacist audiences.

        to add gravity to the accusation, of course.

        mariapalestina, after following this discussion for days – as a person who entered into it genuinely interested in the trajectory of the accusation (due to the odd timing of the shunning) it’s occurring to me thru this dialogue the ultimate target (or more important target i should say) here is not primarily, or merely alison, it is this “national interest” meme i keep hearing about. it is that conference and that whole group which is the threat or threatening to the people behind this. and i think it’s interesting that conference wasn’t specifically named in the complaint (which i have to admit i didn’t memorize or scrutinize carefully so maybe i am mistaken). but the theme of 2 opposing concepts is centered around recognition of the lobby.

        so if you make the lobby too important in your messaging or resist the lobby, your verging into a possible “white supremacist” position (being used as code which is how jimmy carter is included in this smear) . hence, the opposite of recognizing american complicity in the occupation of palestine (enough), or the way or degree in which you recognize it — as opposed to prioritizing the lobby — lands one in white supremacists territory. therefore linking alison to white supremacists is key to the real target> people who prioritize the lobby.

        now, if one can cement the concept that prioritizing the lobby = white supremacy vs those who don’t as being “universally anti-racist” this is an idea or a meme that can move or have gravity in a movement. so it’s interesting to me neither her book or her conference (by the same title “national interest” ) were not mentioned in the critique against her. because i have a hunch those are the threats. and they are current (vs the evidence presented against her, which was compelling but the timing was suspicious).

        just thought i’d mention. and that would not have occurred to me necessarily had i not been following this conversation. it’s thanks to the messaging of jennifer and preston that i learned this. i could be wrong of course, but my hunch is i am right.

        anyway, nobody wants to be called a white supremacist, so beware of looking to closely at the lobby. and given the timing of this where the lobby is SO evident in this iran deal, it’s a lot to swallow. i mean, it is a very powerful lobby. one doesn’t have to (or shouldn’t have to) place a lot of caveats in there about the nra or other lobbies to acknowledge this. it’s not fundamentally a position of ‘jews rule the world’ to be truthful about the power of the israel lobby. it’s a real force in our american society and should be recognized for what it is. and that’s what phil writes about. will he be next? not likely because the idea of “jewish” as having agency with “white supremacists” is not likely part of the overall messaging, unless one really goes over the deep end. it’s an argument primarily against non jews, targeting non jews. a “white supremacist” smear is inherently not jewish or people of color, so it targets (psychologically) people like me (be afraid of going there or else). if you’re not with us you’re against us and in collaboration with white supremacy. no middle ground.

        and going after obama for conjuring the lobby in his messaging is deeply offensive and insulting. jvp and eto didn’t do that mind you, but it’s still powerful messaging of the same ilk. don’t focus on the lobby or jewish power within the american system.

      • on August 19, 2015, 3:01 pm

        Annie – this is a very cogent analysis – thank you – The event that really got the attention of the partisans was the “First American National Summit Reassessing US-Israel relations” at the National Press Club on March 7, 2014. Phil and Alison were speakers as well as Stephen Walt and many strident critics of Israel. It is all up on C-SPAN and it was a stunning conference, shunned by the MSM – or as I call it The Mainstream Disproportionately Jewish Media (MSDJM). I was actually amazed that it could happen in DC. In particular, Alison was one of the most articulate and effective speakers at this conference. I had never hear her speak before and I was riveted to the chair. Thousands of people who did not know her before, became admirers or critics.

      • PeaceThroughJustice on August 19, 2015, 3:40 pm

        Annie wrote: “it’s occurring to me thru this dialogue the ultimate target (or more important target i should say) here is not primarily, or merely alison, it is this “national interest” meme i keep hearing about.”

        I think you’re right. In fact JVP’s public statement is pretty clear about it —

        https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/jewish-voice-for-peace-statement-on-our-relationship-with-alison-weir/

        First it lays out those explicit allegations of wrongdoing that we’re familiar with (which remember consist of three counts of consorting with unsavory characters over the last 15 years), then it goes into a paragraph where it says that JVP is a progressive organization committed to righting ALL the wrongs in the world (as opposed to just focusing on that tiny little matter of a Jewish State). And then comes this —

        In contrast, Weir and IAK have a fundamental political framing that the U.S. is not implicated in the same racist and white supremacist structures as Israel. This Š__tail wags the dogŠ__ theory is a form of chauvinistic nationalism that absolves American interest in perpetuating injustice–not just in Israel but in other regions around the world.

        In other words, JVP doesn’t waste its time on anything less than “structures of racism” (which you could read as “antisemitism” if you were cynical) and anyone who does (by, for example, talking about the role of special interest groups) is engaging in “chauvinistic nationalism” (which is, of course, only two steps away from white supremacism).

        It all sounds lovely and very high principled, but it does have the unfortunate side effect of making it impossible to actually accuse anyone with actually creating the problem, since it’s all in the “structures.”

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 4:49 pm

        ok, thanks for explaining this to me peace through justice. this was the exact passage that stuck out for me when i first read it. i do believe the U.S. is implicated in the racist and white supremacist structures as Israel. but i’m not sure if the U.S. is implicated in the same racist and supremacist structures as Israel in the US, because our laws do or can (structurally) provide recourse, whereas israel’s are structurally racist because it’s an ethnic state (apartheid laws/2 separately structured systems of government). while our system can work like that and does (for example racism against blacks and people of color is systematically rampant) i don’t think it is codified in our laws to the degree israel’s is. and of course we partake in actions around the world that are racist and supremacist. but i’m not sure that can be codified as ‘white supremacist’ since not all people who partake in that are white, (that’s linguistic tho, it’s basically the same thing whatever one calls it). it’s part of the way america functions globally and it is racist.

        but i find it odd the “proof” for this statement is the identification of IAK’s founding. their conclusion that it’s “only non-Arab, non-Muslim, non-Palestinian, and non-Jewish voices can be trusted to speak the truth” is not born out in either IAK’s statement or the way the IAK appears to operate.

        but this: talking about the role of special interest groups) is engaging in “chauvinistic nationalism”

        i guess this is where i think people smarter than me are needed to comprehend this concept. there’s a tug of war going on right now between the tail and the dog and it’s taking place on the world stage for all to see (phil writing about it on the front page). it remains to be seen how it will turn out although i think the dog will win. but if the dog doesn’t it will be because of the tail (clearly). and i think there’s a lot of evidence that as it pertains to israel (not everywhere else) the tail frequently wags the dog. and i don’t think it’s chauvanistic to say that — not when it’s true. and i don’t see how that opinion (mine) boils down to a racist opinion of white supremacism. nor does it imply i approve of the way the US functions globally oppressing people.

        but then i don’t know all of what weir wrote and said either. the IAK identification wasn’t included in eto’s determination but i’d have to review it.

        anyway, i guess i should read up on this ‘national interest’.

      • PeaceThroughJustice on August 19, 2015, 6:10 pm

        “but i find it odd the “proof” for this statement is the identification of IAK’s founding. their conclusion that it’s “only non-Arab, non-Muslim, non-Palestinian, and non-Jewish voices can be trusted to speak the truth” is not born out in either IAK’s statement or the way the IAK appears to operate.”

        True. I ignored this section because there’s so much smoke being blown that it’s hard to follow their argument. Let’s be honest, IAK’s call for “an organization to be directed by Americans without personal or family ties to the region” means “let’s let some non-Jewish voices in.” You and I know this and JVP knows this, but JVP is embarrassed to say it noticed it so it pretends that Weir is trying to block minority (“rainbow”) voices in order to privilege us white oldies (aka “white supremacists”).

        (Remember in all of this, JVP doesn’t consider Jewish voices to be part of the establishment power “structures” that it claims to be fighting. They’re not quite ready to accept the idea of Jewish power. Power is in “structures” but it’s not in Adelson, Saban,Singer, Crystal, Friedman, Goldberg, etc. )

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 7:53 pm

        “an organization to be directed by Americans without personal or family ties to the region” means “let’s let some non-Jewish voices in.”

        i look at it like this. say you have 2 people at each others throats. is it valuable to have an opinion from a person with no ties to either party? (in relationships they call them marriage counselors). for me it’s not just “let some non-Jewish voices in” it means what it says. it doesn’t mean other people can’t be trusted. it means look at it from the outside without attachment and what do you see? it’s a valid place to stand from which to get a view.

      • PeaceThroughJustice on August 19, 2015, 6:28 pm

        “why is talking about the role of special interest groups) is engaging in “chauvinistic nationalism””

        I think they’re saying: “You think the problems in your own corner of the world are all caused by outsiders? That all you have to do is get rid of some “alien” special interest group and you’re all going to be saints? No, your racism isn’t imposed on you from the outside, it’s planted deep inside you like everyone else.”

        Which may be true as far as it goes. But they never explain why we can’t just deal with one problem at a time. Maybe cleaning up our racist power “structures” will become easier once the lobby stops filtering out all our principled politicians, for example. Or once we’re not spending $4T on wars in Israel’s backyard. Or once our media are more open.

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 7:42 pm

        i still think it makes sense to target the lobby to break apart the apartheid system in palestine. it seems like a no brainer to me.

  8. Kathleen on August 18, 2015, 10:12 pm

    Finally the last 5-10 years people connecting the dots. Always better late than never…Cornell has been talking about this issue for quite some time.

  9. Kathleen on August 18, 2015, 11:12 pm

    National Day of Action in support of the Iran deal put on by Move on and NIAC etc…Wednesday Aug 26th

    • Bornajoo on August 19, 2015, 6:10 pm

      Bravo! This is really a great development. Terrific news

      And on the other issue:
      “so if you make the lobby too important in your messaging or resist the lobby, your verging into a possible “white supremacist” position (being used as code which is how jimmy carter is included in this smear) . hence, the opposite of recognizing american complicity in the occupation of palestine (enough), or the way or degree in which you recognize it — as opposed to prioritizing the lobby — lands one in white supremacists territory. therefore linking alison to white supremacists is key to the real target> people who prioritize the lobby. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/annie#sthash.bYxGKmZl.dpuf (Annie)

      Great analysis Annie. I think you’re on to something!

    • annie on August 19, 2015, 12:39 am

      thanks straightline. gingershot linked to that this morning. awesome releasing that now, what timing.

      for the first time ever i noticed clicking on your link how much golda meir looks like lyndon johnson. it is really striking resemblance. i blinked!

      • straightline on August 19, 2015, 1:32 am

        Sorry Annie – I try to keep up to date but … Still another posting can’t do any harm. In the immortal words of AR: “The more the merrier”.

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 2:04 am

        oh no harm at all! there’s so much conversation going on the chance everyone would have read it is zilch. i appreciate you linking. if i had been more together i would have written about it (not the meir-johnson lookalike of course). maybe tomorrow. besides it reminds me to remind phil… i wonder if it’s going to get covered in the msm in the US? hmm. it better. argh.

        anyway, awesome link and thank you. something tells me obama is not flying by the seat of his pants on this ;)

      • RoHa on August 19, 2015, 4:15 am

        You are right! I have clear mental images of both of them, and yet I never noticed it before.

        Do you think that they were the same person? If they were, it would explain a lot.

      • Mooser on August 19, 2015, 12:20 pm

        “Why do Zionists think they need a “Jewish state”? Most of them think it is a necessary safe haven from something. . . I can’t remember. . . that thing that people keep debating whether it exists. . . Hitler was pretty into it. “

        I’m sorry, Jennifer, but that is very, very insulting to the Zionists in my family, at least!
        Much of my family was Zionist, an d they weren’t afraid of anything! They made a cold, clear-eyed calculation that through violence and political manipulation, they could get in on the ground floor of a colonial-settlement enterprise opened up by British imperial motives , and people get rich that way, and get land for themselves. To call them cowards, afraid of anti-semitism is INSULTING! They weren’t afraid of anybody, certainly not Palestinians. How dare you!

  10. jhitchcock on August 19, 2015, 12:26 am

    @tokyobk:

    True, it is totally understandable that many activists are jaded by the frequent boy-who-cried-wolf charges of antisemitism against Palestinian solidarity activists. I have discussed that before, including in my piece. It is an unfortunate side-effect of Israel advocates’ overplaying of that hand and thus weakening the concept. (Not to mention how Israel claims to represent and speak for all Jews is another problem).

    But I agree with you that that doesn’t thus mean that there is no such a thing as real antisemitism and that we wouldn’t all benefit from being able to recognize it and avoid it.

    And, yes, Jews are generally a privileged group in the US–and obviously in Israel. So some people think that therefore antisemitism just doesn’t matter anymore. I have argued why I think it does matter in my Roundtable piece, which I know you have commented on: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/roundtable-palestinian-solidarity

    I often return to something a Palestinian nonviolence activist named Ali Abu Awwad said in our documentary: “My enemy is not the Jewish people. My enemy is Jewish fear.”

    Jewish fear motivates Zionism. Why do Zionists think they need a “Jewish state”? Most of them think it is a necessary safe haven from something. . . I can’t remember. . . that thing that people keep debating whether it exists. . . Hitler was pretty into it. . . Oh, yeah, that’s right: ANTISEMITISM!

    It may be be a warped, abused, and usually these days unfounded fear that is manipulated and indoctrinated by Israeli politicians and the lobby, etc. to maintain support for Israel. But to many Jews in Israel and the diaspora, the fear itself is still real even if real antisemitism is much more rare. And there is a very real and not that distant history to back up this fear.

    Without recognizing this fear and addressing it more effectively, the struggle for Palestinian rights will be much harder.

    And I certainly don’t think Weir addresses it very well at all.

    In fact, I am starting to wonder if Weir isn’t a Zionist agent directed to stoke fears of antisemitism. It plays right into the hands of the lobby and Israel apologists after all. Legitimate criticism of the lobby is weakened and deflected when some people choose to discuss it in an antisemitic way. And when you can associated the BDS movement with claims of the blood libel, even better. I think Weir must be on the ADL’s payroll. Ha, ha :)

    • annie on August 19, 2015, 1:14 am

      I can’t remember. . . that thing that people keep debating whether it exists. . . Hitler was pretty into it. . . Oh, yeah, that’s right: ANTISEMITISM!

      you’re really on a roll jennifer.

    • tokyobk on August 19, 2015, 2:33 am

      I used to think that JH but actually Jewish fear is less important to me these days. All feelings are less important to me than all lives.
      Many whites feared and continue to fear racial change. So what? There are more compelling reason to look down on the Jew hobbyists imo.

      In any case, this is a major development. I could never have imagined, say, Black Students at Yale signing this.

      I am sorry to see that none of the Jews of color groups that I belong to have signed on. In fact most American (non Israelite or Black Hebrew) JOC’s that I know are fairly supportive of Israel or liberal Zionist. That may change though. Everything is changing.

      • Mooser on August 19, 2015, 11:09 am

        “There are more compelling reason to look down on the Jew hobbyists imo.”

        Look, “tokyobk” if the fact that you started out unable to spell “hobbiest” (sic) didn’t seem to tell you anything, let me put it cleaerly:

        Would you kindly stop with that “Jew hobbyist” bullshit? Or link us to something, anything, validating the existence of a “Jew hobbyist” besides your own particular proclivities?

        BTW, “tokyobk” as a Jew, I find the expression demeaning and yes, antisemitic. I am nobody’s action figure, and nobody’s moth to pin to a board (“Jew, typical variety, collected among crab-grasses and dandelions on seedy suburban lawn”).

        So why don’t you take that “Jew hobbyist” and stuff it? Believe me, “tokyobk” since nobody else has ever suggested such a thing (unless ROTFLMSJAO, you want to link us to those that do?) except you , maybe this whole “Jew hobbyist” concept says more about you than anybody else?

      • annie on August 20, 2015, 12:39 am

        mooser, i like you when you’re pissed – cutting to the chase, not mincing words – and all that stuff.

      • Mooser on August 20, 2015, 9:20 pm

        “– cutting to the chase, not mincing words”

        Well, I just don’t see how I could be anybody’s “hobby”. To me, I’m almost an obsession. “Hobby”? I’m a full-time job!

      • Steve Grover on August 21, 2015, 10:08 am

        Mooser’s response that began with:
        “There are more compelling reason to look down on the Jew hobbyists imo”
        is Mooser’s 25,000th post on Mondoweiss. A big Mazel Tov! I am going to celebrate this auspicious occasion by having a tree planted in Israel in Mooser’s name by the JNF.

      • Mooser on August 21, 2015, 11:56 am

        “I am going to celebrate this auspicious occasion…”

        Ah, here we go, there’s the ‘jocosity’. And the other three stages will be along presently.

        At any rate, thanks for proving my point. And by the way, about that “full-time job” I mentioned? You’re fired.

    • ritzl on August 19, 2015, 2:58 am

      @jhitchcock- You never did answer my question about why one form of bigotry (Zionism) is acceptable to associate with and all the rest are not. That failure means you directly support bigotry against the very people you say you’re trying to help, however tangentially (Palestinians).

      With that degree of inconsistency in your thinking, why you think people should/would/could take your accusations and observations seriously remains a mystery.

      Heal yourself, then get back with us.

      • PeaceThroughJustice on August 19, 2015, 4:09 am

        ritzl wrote: “You never did answer my question about why one form of bigotry (Zionism) is acceptable to associate with and all the rest are not.”

        I suspect it’s because criticizing the bigotry of the power-holding class is always more dangerous than concentrating on the powerless. (See the recent Enemies List article> http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/the-enemies-list ) The problem for Jennifer though is that when your focus is on the powerless it’s hard to know how much of what you’re seeing is really bigotry, and how much is just rage at that powerlessness. I think Jennifer smells a little rage here in the comments and it frightens her, so she labels it “antisemitism” or “white supremacism” or “conspiracy theories” so she won’t have to deal with the real cause.

        And it’s why she has an allergy for discussions of the lobby’s damage to American society, a subject she dismisses as “right-wing patriotism.”

        But I think she can rest confident that once she’s out with her degree in Discourse Studies and is an Assistant Professor somewhere, she’s never going to get called in by the department heads for rocking the boat.

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 6:14 pm

        when your focus is on the powerless it’s hard to know how much of what you’re seeing is really bigotry, and how much is just rage at that powerlessness.

        smart ptj

      • ritzl on August 19, 2015, 11:56 am

        Great comment, PTJ. The rage is feared not understood. With no attempt to understand – either cause or constructive implications/prognosis.

        It really fits the definition of MLK’s “white moderate.” Thinking suspended between one and two dimensions.

        Imho, of course.

      • Kris on August 19, 2015, 3:16 pm

        PeaceThroughJustice: “But I think she can rest confident that once she’s out with her degree in Discourse Studies and is an Assistant Professor somewhere, she’s never going to get called in by the department heads for rocking the boat.”

        There’s a very interesting article, “The Coddling of the American Mind,” at The Atlantic this month about this phenomenon of needing to be protected from being exposed to various words and ideas, and the effect that it is having on education and mental health: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ . From the article:

        Something strange is happening at America’s colleges and universities. A movement is arising, undirected and driven largely by students, to scrub campuses clean of words, ideas, and subjects that might cause discomfort or give offense.

        We have come a long, sad way since Thomas Jefferson said, of the University of Virginia:

        This institution will be based on the illimitable freedom of the human mind. for here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.

    • Donald on August 19, 2015, 9:51 am

      “I am starting to wonder if Weir isn’t a Zionist agent…”

      I suppose you are parodying the way some people think here, but if serious, I don’t think you should go there. One can go through endless layers of paranoia trying to imagine what an intelligence agency might try. As for parody, it probably just annoys people.

    • Mooser on August 19, 2015, 11:30 am

      “In fact, I am starting to wonder if Weir isn’t a Zionist agent directed to stoke fears of antisemitism.”

      Squelch!! Ewwww! Gee, by all the laws of common sense, where might we expect to find Zionist influence? JVP or IAK? Gee, which one is more open to being subverted by Zionism?

      Better go use the Scruffee, Jennifer. You really stepped in it.

      • Citizen on August 20, 2015, 7:42 am

        @ Mooser
        As annie said, talking to her is like talking to a brick wall. She pisses all over those who are concerned about everyday Americans not getting data about the Zionist impact on our WH and Congress, not to mention what harm that causes overseas, e.g., to Palestinians, given that, e.g., unlike with the the Gun Lobby and AARP, the main media has been complicit in keeping the public misinformed, and ignorant about the impact of AIPAC -driven US foreign policy–any American can get all data pro and con about the agendas of those two named purely domestic lobbies, but there is no comparable open public debate countering the Israel Lobby; indeed, the Israel Lobby is barely ever even mentioned clearly in US mainstream media–this erodes the base of US democracy, which is informed consent.

    • Keith on August 19, 2015, 4:56 pm

      JHITCHCOCK- “It may be be a warped, abused, and usually these days unfounded fear that is manipulated and indoctrinated by Israeli politicians and the lobby, etc. to maintain support for Israel.”

      It is also used by Jewish tribalists of all stripes as a means of maintaining tribal solidarity and, as with JVP, a means to establish themselves as the arbiter of acceptable discourse via their ability to affix or remove the kosher seal of approval.

      JHITCHCOCK- “And there is a very real and not that distant history to back up this fear.”

      Curiously, the farther the events recede the stronger this manufactured memory becomes. According to Norman Finkelstein, between World War II and the late 1960s, the Holocaust tended to be downplayed in American Jewish life as was anti-Semitism. It was only after the six day war that American Jewish Zionists “discovered” the Holocaust and emphasized it and anti-Semitism as motivational factors as they pursued their power-seeking agenda. This has resulted in the curious phenomenon that as anti-Semitism receded and Jews became increasingly powerful, so too did their fears of anti-Semitism increase. In other words, far from a serious threat to Jews, anti-Semitism is primarily used as a tool of intimidation against those that the (mostly Zionist) Jewish elite wish to attack. Jewish tribal anti-Zionists also use the charge of anti-Semitism as a club to beat down rivals.

      JHITCHCOCK- “Without recognizing this fear and addressing it more effectively, the struggle for Palestinian rights will be much harder….And I certainly don’t think Weir addresses it very well at all.”

      In other words, if non-Jews don’t sufficiently pander to induced Jewish tribal fears, then Jews, such as JVP, will withdraw their kosher seal of approval and support because Jewish tribalism outweighs their concern for Palestinian human rights. I hear you! Of course, you phrase it differently but the meaning (dare I sat threat?) is clear. Credit where credit is do, Jennifer, you have got some Chutzpah!

      • annie on August 19, 2015, 5:08 pm

        i’m not sure why jennifer seems to prioritizing jewish fear in the means to resolution. the US certainly doesn’t do that in other conflict areas on the globe.

        plus, the “fear of the oppressor” is a consideration i’d place very low on a scale in terms of prioritization.

      • on August 19, 2015, 5:16 pm

        In Haaretz today Peter Beinart says that by accusing Obama of anti-semitism and dog whistling etc “They are seeking to magnify AIPAC’s power by making criticism of it taboo. It’s important that they fail. Because while American Jewish political power is both legitimate and necessary, unaccountable Jewish power is not. It’s not good for American national security. It’s not good for American democracy. And it’s not good for us.”

        Let’s hope that more and more prominent supporters of Israel will call out those who make criticism of Israel a taboo subject.

      • ritzl on August 20, 2015, 7:39 pm

        @Keith- To riff on your comment, “jhitchcock-ism” is starting to suggest, to me, that this is an Overton Window situation.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

        The Israel Lobby/media structure is so powerful and so entrenched, and has standardized the “discourse” so completely in its favor that to move the Overton Window back to some normal, debatable frame of reference is going to require some harsh and/or angry words to reset the limits of debate. It’s critical to move the OW on this back to a place where overly harsh words/true anti-Jewish behavior can be called out without argument and therefore without diminishing the effort for Palestinian rights one little bit.

        I suspect that finding a new and constructive center of debate for this issue is going to make most Jews very uncomfortable, but you can’t move an OW by accepting one of it’s bounding conditions as a limit. I wonder if even flaming anti-Zionist Jews (or frankly anyone who sees this as a potential Pandora’s Box, e.g. me) would be willing to handle that discomfort. I don’t know. I DO know that unless some constructive harshness in calling out this influence becomes acceptable, and the OW gets moved back, the Palestinians are exceedingly unlikely to get any justice.

        As it stands right now, without any disagreement whatsoever on condemning real anti-Jewish behavior, these efforts to turn over rocks looking for minute traces of what might or might not turn out to be some form of latent bigotry sometime in the future, and using that minutiae to chop up into little bits an important movement trying to stop people from being actually killed, is atrociously harmful. Harmful, as in murderous/deadly. But it seems to be acceptable behavior. Noble behavior, even (i.e. jhitchcock-ism).

        FWIW. Just ruminating.

      • echinococcus on August 20, 2015, 10:57 pm

        Ritzl,

        Your ruminating is very useful –except that I just don’t get this general fever to avoid harsh words and clashes. It seems more useful to constantly remind everyone that we are in the midst of a war –real boom-boom war, not cold, not “of ideas”: that reminder is more likely to reset the Overton window than anything else (to each side its own frame, but people get it easier.)

      • Mooser on August 21, 2015, 12:12 pm

        “Because while American Jewish political power is both legitimate and necessary,” Beinart

        See! See! I told you that the American Constitution is anti-semitic! It makes no provision for “American Jewish political power” at all. In fact, there’s even some grossly Judeophobic crap about “no religious test shall be required for office” which has been interpreted in such a way as to exclude any legitimate American Jewish political power at all!

    • Pixel on August 20, 2015, 12:08 am

      Jennifer, I haven’t read all the way through the comments here, yet, but I think Annie needs to redirect you to your original discussion so you can carry on there, if anyone is up for it.

    • Pixel on August 20, 2015, 12:41 am
    • Citizen on August 20, 2015, 7:59 am

      ““My enemy is not the Jewish people. My enemy is Jewish fear. ”

      My enemy is not the German people. My enemy is German fear.
      My enemy is not the American people. My enemy is American fear.

      These days my tv is raining down Fear ads. AIPAC and GOP leaders are stoking Fear.
      Netanyahu stokes Fear daily.
      Both antisemitism and zionism use the same chief tool: Fear.

  11. weiss on August 19, 2015, 1:13 am

    Another superb article!

    The momentum is building, yet I fear the extremists on the far right might do something horribly desperate to stop the inevitable coming Palestinian State.

    … The ” Samson Option” still lurks in the shadows…

    All the more reason to ban ALL nuclear weapons before it is too late…

  12. ritzl on August 19, 2015, 3:00 am

    Excellent!

    As Kathleen said upthread: It’s happening!

  13. RoHa on August 19, 2015, 4:08 am

    A bit off topic.

    The petition is now at

    70,330

    Sign early, sign often.

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105446

  14. amigo on August 19, 2015, 5:34 am
  15. diasp0ra on August 19, 2015, 7:08 am

    This is quite a beautiful moment of solidarity. Our struggles have so much in common, and we have both suffered in different ways at the hands of colonists and imperialists.

    I hope this solidarity only improves and strengthens with time.

    I can’t help but notice that some of the comments have devolved yet again into a discussion of antisemitism. Why does this always take center stage? Why take attention away from this beautiful act?

    Zionists want us to be lost for years debating antisemitism when it would never be considered a form of racism to charge any other state that does the same as Israel does with breeches of international and humanitarian law.

  16. Rodneywatts on August 19, 2015, 7:42 am

    Uplifting -awesome! Memories of the SA anti-apartheid struggles. We SHALL overcome!!

  17. on August 19, 2015, 9:46 am

    I don’t see Ta-Nehishi Coates name on there. But Cornel West signed it.

  18. ckg on August 19, 2015, 10:42 am

    Excellent news. Many on Mondoweiss, including Phil, have pointed out the generation gap in attitudes toward Israel among American Jews. I perceive, without concrete evidence, a parallel gap among African-Americans. Young African-Americans, especially college students, are leading this generational change, while their parents are comfortable reminiscing about “the historic coalition of the Civil Rights movement” or becoming increasingly absorbed by Christian Zionism. It’s a generational change, but I wonder if the Palestinian plight can wait.

  19. on August 19, 2015, 3:17 pm

    Jhitchcock wrote above that Palestinian BDS leaders, including Abunimah, Barghouti, and many others very forcefully and publicly disavow the antisemitism of anti-Zionists.

    In a recent Mondoweiss post I wrote that some who call out antisemitism in fellow travelers could be rewarded. This is not necessarily untrue or disingenuous.

    “1) An attempt to control the narrative and/or suppress the influence of others (who have ideas that compete with or conflict with the accuser’s narrative) by falsely labeling the competitor as an anti-Semite and thus silencing him. Note that this strategy can even extend to the point where the desire is to stop the victim spreading his message because this will feed anti-Semitism (see below). In this case the critic is protecting the group from criticism and its negative consequences. The critic could even feel that the claims of the victim might trigger anti-Semitism.
    2) Some may feel guilty about their perceived anti-Jewish or anti-Israel behavior and look for legitimate ways to atone within their group. The easiest way is to jump on to some visible bandwagon that labels a prominent person (a threat to the Zionist narrative) as an anti-Semite. For example, write an article saying/implying that Jimmy Carter or some prominent person or author is an anti-Semite. This can be a form of atonement or reaffirmation of group affiliation on the critic’s part for daring to speak against the group. Therefore, the critic could get some immediate positive feedback or reinforcement from the group that has already been primed that this prominent victim is an anti-Semite. Calling out anti-Semites could have a significant protective effects for those who criticize the group. It is a way of showing support for the group.”

    Similarly, a Palestinian or any non-Jew could also use this same strategy in order to further his cause, gain support and build up protection from assault. It is obvious that criticizing antisemites could be a powerful way to claim respectability and demonstrate uncontroversial qualities. I am not saying that anyone is insincere but I want to present the complexities of human behavior. To attain credibility is this area is fraught with risk; group membership, affirmation and acceptance is critical for support and survival. In caution, I must point out that when someone of the status of John Mearsheimer praises a book as fascinating and provocative, it is disturbing when many others criticize the book and Mearsheimer too, as antisemitic. The problem is the vague interpretation of antisemitic motives and the mutating meaning of words like antisemitism. In this area of activism it is not hard to get enthusiastic people to sign petitions and letters without much thought. I am reminded of the AIPAC employee who implied that 70 senators would promptly sign his napkin. The words Cuckzionist and Cuckantizionist come to mind given the recent national prominence of the word Cuckservative.

  20. Pixel on August 20, 2015, 12:52 am

    This is an AMAZING development!! WOW, just WOW.

    I wondered what kind of play it was getting elsewhere.
    The first article (and third comment) that I stumbled upon:

    BDS Usurps Black Lives Matter
    .
    :: Comment ::

    Ravi Singh
    Just a thought…… Those who oppress the black people in the U.S. And the oppressors of the Palestinians are the best of friends…..!!!!!!
    Aug 18, 2015 2:18am

    • ritzl on August 20, 2015, 6:36 pm

      Thanks, Pixel. The “It’s not Apartheid because this is Israel [you idiot]!” argument, redux.

      The willful (it has to be willful, doesn’t it?) inability of the Debbie Hall types to see a few meters over the wall never ceases to astound. She should check her privilege and go live in Duma for a week/day/hour/…microsecond.

    • WH on August 24, 2015, 5:08 am

      “Those who oppress the black people in the U.S. And the oppressors of the Palestinians are the best of friends” – indeed, a number of these violent racist police forces in the US have received additional training from their Israeli counterparts.

  21. just on August 20, 2015, 10:09 am

    Meanwhile in Israel, they’re fighting over who should be in charge of fighting BDS!

    “Israeli Cabinet’s Plan to Combat BDS Held Up by Defense Minister’s Opposition

    Ya’alon objects to strategic affairs minister issuing orders to IDF intelligence staff, while Foreign Ministry fears losing further influence on policy.”

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.672135?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Onward, good people of the world!

    1S1P1V! End the Occupation! End the siege on Gaza! BDS with gusto!

    Free Palestine!

    • annie on August 20, 2015, 11:50 am

      no doubt their first line of offense will be to continue accusing BDS of anti-jewish racism (that’s the term omar barghouti uses, i thought i would check it out).

    • annie on August 20, 2015, 11:57 am

      oh i love that photo just! i knew french activist would lay around on the ground all bloody. how could they not with a fake tel aviv beach imposed on the streets of paris.

      • just on August 20, 2015, 12:03 pm

        What photo? I must be missing something, Annie…

        “no doubt their first line of offense will be to continue accusing BDS of anti-jewish racism”

        Naturally!

      • annie on August 20, 2015, 12:09 pm

        the photo on your haaretz link. “Gaza on the Seine, Paris, August 13, 2015.”
        http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.672135?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

        it’s a great photo. some editor probably chose it to go w/the bds story. makes sense.

      • annie on August 20, 2015, 12:16 pm

        just, did you read about the event in paris? we didn’t cover it here i don’t think. the mayor in paris decided to turn a riverbank into a tel aviv beach for a week. so those lucky parisians could experience the beach israeli style in their own back yard. talk about clueless.

      • annie on August 20, 2015, 12:21 pm

        omg! complete with checkpoints , i can’t stop laughing.

        Rows of heavily armed riot police stood in front of metal grills. There were 500 extra officers on duty throughout central Paris, as well as a video-surveillance unit shooting film that could be used in future criminal trials.

      • just on August 20, 2015, 12:28 pm

        That photo~ YES! It’s great and a wonderful counter- action to that stupid Tel Aviv on the Seine thing.

        I thought you meant the picture that went with the story…

        “omg! complete with checkpoints , i can’t stop laughing.”

        Well, how better to corral some infiltrators!

      • annie on August 20, 2015, 12:36 pm

        just, that is the photo haaretz is using for the “Israeli Cabinet’s Plan to Combat BDS Held Up by Defense Minister’s Opposition” story. at least when i open it. i grabbed the photo off of the story and placed it is google photo drop ( https://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en&gws_rd=ssl ) and that is how i found the tweet. but i see it is the same photo used in lysias’s Al Arabiya story, with context. so apparently it was take at the beach next door where they set up a gaza beach.

      • eljay on August 20, 2015, 12:43 pm

        || Annie Robbins: omg! complete with checkpoints , i can’t stop laughing. ||

        Yup, they sure nailed it. Unintentionally, but effectively. :-)

      • just on August 20, 2015, 12:51 pm

        Thanks, Annie. It didn’t pop up for me, but I had seen it. Thank you for putting it up!

        The contrast could not be more stark between the ‘sides’ of the plage/beach.

        Thanks for your link to that extremely interesting article, lysias. From it:

        “By the time I got to the “Gaza” side of the divide,” a far larger crowd was dancing the traditional Palestinian dabke and singing liberation songs, while waving their flags and kuffiyeh scarves in the air. People were also chanting “Israel murderer” as four protesters stained themselves with fake blood and played dead while lying on the sand.

        Obscene gestures and insults against pro-Palestinians were returned from the Tel Aviv beach across the barricade, all within sight of Notre Dame Cathedral and the normally tranquil Île de la Cité.

        There were whoops of joy when a rubber dinghy appeared in the water festooned with the red, black, white and green of the Palestinian flag, but it was soon barged down river by a police patrol craft. Demonstrators on land were in turn dragged away unceremoniously, as officers made clear that even a traditional protest city like Paris would have to outlaw dissent while it was trying to promote Israel.”

        Mayor Hildalgo’s plan may have gone slightly awry, eh?

      • lysias on August 20, 2015, 2:24 pm

        Le monde had a lot of coverage of Tel-Aviv Plage. This, for example: Important dispositif de sécurité autour de « Tel-Aviv sur Seine » à Paris.

      • DaBakr on August 20, 2015, 5:45 pm

        @an

        yes-it is a perfectly perfect PR propaganda pic. That it was purposely set-up does not detract from its value as a complete juxtaposition of the theme of a sparkling upscale beach 25kms north of a beach where such violence was rendered a year ago. I am sure even smoe Zionists can appreciate the sickening irony.

        What really surprised me is the complete absence of any reference to the Matthew Miller (aka:Matisyahu) vs. Spanish BDS controversy. I was almost certain after an absence that I was going to come here and read a disgruntled and testy post about how the ‘Zionist’ media got it completely wrong and spun the story to make it look like BDS was against an American rap star simply because he was Jewish and presumed to be opposed to BDS. (personally-I think he took the high road that EVERY artist should take and refuse to inject politics into their art. I understand that some very political people consider themselves artists -as opposed to propagandists-and create ‘political’ art but thats another whole discussion)

        Jut surprising that MW has chosen to not make any counter-hay about this event to oppose all the press that has been quoting pro-Zionist/anti-BDSr’s as “proof” that the BDS movement-despite its constant claims to the contrary- presumes Jews in general are worthy of boycott unless they swear alligiance to to the ‘party line’ as they tried to force Matisyahu/Miller to do as a condition of playing. Its all rather totalitarian from my perspective growing up in the later 1/2 of 20thC but hey-i’m not a progressive according to current definitions.

      • annie on August 20, 2015, 6:14 pm

        @da actually i started researching it this morning because i knew the pacbi guidelines (cultural boycott) were: http://www.pacbi.org/etemplate.php?id=1047

        PACBI subscribes to the internationally-accepted definition of freedom of expression as stipulated in the United Nations’ International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).[2]

        Anchored in precepts of international law and universal human rights, the BDS movement, including PACBI, rejects on principle boycotts of individuals based on their identity (such as citizenship, race, gender, or religion) or opinion. Mere affiliation of Israeli cultural workers to an Israeli cultural institution is therefore not grounds for applying the boycott. If, however, an individual is representing the state of Israel or a complicit Israeli institution, or is commissioned/recruited to participate in Israel’s efforts to “rebrand” itself, then her/his activities are subject to the institutional boycott the BDS movement is calling for.

        however, i read farther and it states:

        While an individual’s freedom of expression should be fully and consistently respected in the context of cultural boycotts, an individual artist/writer, Israeli or otherwise, cannot be exempt from being subject to “common sense” boycotts (beyond the scope of the PACBI institutional boycott criteria) that conscientious citizens around the world may call for in response to what they widely perceive as egregious individual complicity in, responsibility for, or advocacy of violations of international law (such as war crimes or other grave human rights violations), racial violence, or racial slurs. At this level, Israeli cultural workers should not be exempted from due criticism or any lawful form of protest, including boycott; they should be treated like all other offenders in the same category, not better or worse.

        that means they are not calling for it in their guidelines, but if there is some entity (business or person or org) individually advocating for it a person could chose to not enter into a transaction with that entity.

        it aslo says (their bold)

        In general, PACBI urges international cultural workers (e.g. artists, writers, filmmakers) and cultural organizations, including unions and associations, where possible and as relevant, to boycott and/or work towards the cancellation of events, activities, agreements, or projects involving Israel, its lobby groups or its cultural institutions, or that otherwise promote the normalization of Israel in the global cultural sphere, whitewash Israel’s violations of international law and Palestinian rights, or violate the BDS guidelines.

        that said, i think Matisyahu’s approval of the slaughter on the mavi marmara (a war crime) would be enough for me to not want to share a venue with him, which is what other artists (apparently) said. anyway, i think (our commenter) just linked and copy/pasted ali’s article — i have not read it yet. but that’s what i would have said. if an artist is using his talent to promote war crimes or raise money for them individuals can boycott them if the want, but it’s not part of pacbi guidelines. and he can’t say he’s non political if in his spare time he makes political statements on FB.

        also, as i understand it this is some kind of underlying socially conscience festival as i understand it. it’s not just a day on the green type music event. they pick a theme every year, and maybe palestine was not the theme this year, but artists who agree to play there shouldhave an understanding other artists also have the same social awareness or betterment of mankind objective. israel is an apartheid state.. so a well known advocate for that state, sans any acknowledgement of palestinians to have rights on that land — it’s just common sense to not book him to begin with.

      • DaBakr on August 20, 2015, 9:51 pm

        @an

        afaik: number of slated artists who threatened to refuse to perform if Miller did= not very many compared to the dozens of sunsplash performers who said nothing.

        whatever your interpretation of the BDS bylaws (and I don’t dispute your research) the whole matter has turned into a debacle for BDS. While I am sure they will recover the local chapter came off like idiots after they dug their heels in and claimed basically that, “while their name clearly states they are BDS they went on to say they are not really BDS. Maybe BDS insiders will understand this implication but your average non-BDSing public wether critical or supportive of Israel will not likely come away with a positive attitude towards BDS.

        The concert promoters backtracked and said it was a ‘big mistake’ and invited Miller back (too late) and the Spanish gov’t took its usual (at least for now) anti-BDS position.

        The only one who came off looking high minded and unscathed was Miller himself who is standing by his refusal to infuse any of his music with political views. I don’t see any contradiction between an artist keeping his/her views out of their pieces or performances and being politically involved as private(but famous) citizen, Not sure why Barbara Streisand popped into mind but she is an example. On the other hand Miller is an artist who does not engage in politics in his public performance or his life as a [semi] celebrity. (my daughter was friends with him so I don’t know if I would have heard of him before this recent news)

        Also-even if it is true that you would feel uncomfortable performing after/before a guy like Miller I don’t see how an inquisition-like tribunal giving ultimatums about making a statement toting their party line or else is anything but sheer totalitarianism. The sun plash was not a ‘bids’ event and the performers that didn’t like Miller should have simply opted out and they could have made their case to whatever press was interested. Instead-they booted him out.

        Anyway-just like BDS and MW likes to get as much mileage out of bds successes and little of its defeats (or more like dragging victory out of defeat) so goes the anti-BDS populace. They will milk this event for as long as as loud as they can. Proving once again that what would have been a molehill had it had had to do with any other nation then the Jewish State (as in: nobody boycotted the heavily anti Gay and Feminist Jamaican rappers or the Arab Sudanese rapper that representing a nation that committed genocide against Christians. But an American former hasidic rapper? Instant headlines in both western and arabic press.

  22. gamal on August 20, 2015, 12:47 pm

    over the years I had 6 Black American students all of whom said the same thing, “Yes I have some problems from being Muslim but they pale in comparison to the problems I face through being black in the USA”

    If a black Ethiopian Israeli emigrated to the US would you think that anti-semitism would be the major problem they would face?

    For TBK to write that in Israel the division is between Arab and Jew as in

    ‘the divide is not black and white its Jewish and not-Jewish.” “its clear which Jews are in charge politically and socially: white Jews from Europe and the US”

    and not a Black White thing

    and yet he belongs to, as he says, to some “Jews of colour” groups, whats the purpose of these groups, well post Ferguson it might be handy i suppose, but what is the purpose of a Jews of colour group? to acclaim uncoloured Jews? swapping recipes? resisting anti-semitism? what is going on here?

    • just on August 20, 2015, 5:32 pm

      +1, gamal.

      Great questions. Looking forward to the answers.

  23. Danaa on August 20, 2015, 5:11 pm

    Jhitchcock: I’ll take you up on this – since you keep bringing it up (and thanks Unverified above for your take) – using one sample from your collections of writings:

    PALESTINIAN BDS leaders, including Abunimah, Barghouti, and many others very forcefully and publicly disavowed Atzmon and don’t want anything to do with him because of his antisemitic rhetoric.

    You keep bringing up Barghoutti and Abunimah as “proof” that palestinians are FOR the shunning of those JVP – or rather, your corner of JVP (and, for the record, I am not sure how big this corner is) considers problematic. This is a strawman argument if there ever was one. Both Abunimah and Bargoutti, by virtue of being in leadership positions on BDS, and because they don’t want to risk losing the support of the well-off Jewish groups in the US who have come – after much cajoling – to support BDS, come under huge pressure to stake positions on so-called ‘anti-semitism” (a term that jennifer seems to have taken ownership of, here, by virtue of a secret anointment as an authority). Several Palestinian individuals, prominent in the leadership were, for all intents and purposes FORCED to renounce Atzmon, as well as Greta Berlin, and now Weir, surely with no small amount of barely veiled threats of withdrawal of support. I would not be surprised to find out that some Palestinian activist leaders thought that going along with these “little” all-jewish witch-hunts of a few individuals, is probably a small price to pay in return for BDS getting a megaphone on US campuses and inside the liberal jewish establishment. I fear, of course, that time may prove them wrong, because this kind of denouncement and shunning tactics may start out with a few individuals but the actual target is much larger.. It’s actually a BIG price to pay, since the blackmail will never stop. Weir is just the first move to go after those who go after the lobby (which is something that’s obviously poised to happen).

    A few more points here (offered humbly by one who alas, has not taken a single rhetoric class):

    1. Barghoutti and Abunimah and perhaps a few more leaders are only some of the palestinian voices. For every one well known Palestinian who, by virtue of being publiclly andv isibley associated with the Palestinian solidarity movement are subject to pressure, there are 100’s more Palestinian voices, some known, many less so and many more still who must remain annonymous and/or silent (for fear of being persecuted – a distinct possibility if they live in israel. More insiduously so if they live in the US) whose opinions are solidly in the camp of those opposing the exile of people like Weir, Berlin, Blankfort, and Atzmon. You Jennifer, comfortably enconced in your rhetoric department, know absolutely nothing of what most Palestinians think or where they are on issues like the ones discussed here; yet you profess to speak for them, waving two names over and over, like a flag. Using these two names as a “killer” argument to rally some “legitimacy” to your side. Some day, you should perhaps ask the devil himself (Atzmon) just how many Palestinians encourage him, speak to him, buy his book, and generally find his persecution to be on par with their own.

    Long time ago, I read a story about a German priest (I am not 100% sure he was german, but that’s what I remember ), who of his own volition, chose to be deported with the Jews to the concentration camp, where he died, suffering their fate with them. For many Palestinians, this is, figuratively if not literally, what Atzmon chose to do – in his own way. March with the persecuted to experience persecution himself, and in the process, out the many tentacles of them who made common cause with the persecutors. Some very nice activist people, all heart, all spirit, come out of the woodworks when the name Atzmon is mentioned. Funny that. But bear in mind that many Palestinians (who cannot be all named publicly and will not wish to be “outed”) appreciate his sacrifice, making himself a target (disclaimer – no, I am not trying to make Atzmon into a jesus figure – he would laugh at me all the way to kingdom come, if I did. But as I said before, imagination is a tough cross to bear>>>>).

    2. Just how much do you think Barghoutti or Abunimah know or care about the American brand of “white supremacy”? another flag you seem to keep waving, and not coincidentally, at Weir, even going as far as conjuring a radio interview from many years ago. And why exactly is it is the palestinians’ job to weigh in on the jewish pilpul on what “anti-semitism” is or isn’t , was or wasn’t (and yes, I always put it into quotation marks for a reason). Why, would it next be a requirement that the history of anti-semitism bin Europe be taught as a de-rigeur course in West bank schools so their children ca nfeel bad when they throw stones at the storm troopers who torment their families?

    BTW, much skewed European “teaching” are required in Arab Israeli schools.

    3. You, jhitchcock have not been assigned or provided with the absolute authority to pick and choose “anti-semites” like a bird picks seeds. You keep mentioning “the protocols”. Now what about those, exactly? is that the definitive treatise on the issue? and how are you so sure you have been provided with the secret smell-sniffing tools to get a whiff of an “anti-semite” should one get too close to you? can you share with us perhaps the training manuals? is there a widget we too can buy that would give us all that uniquely fine-tuned sense of smell? can my dog, with his excellent sniffing skills be trained to sniff them out? just asking, because you seem to be such an expert on the subject.

    BTW, on this last one – a hint (again): please learn Hebrew then take a trip to israel. There, on the streets of Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa you’ll find the world’s greatest collection of rabid anti-semites (no quotation marks this time) in the fully irrational, racist sense. They really do despise each other there in ways you couldn’t even fathom. If you want, I’l leven lend you my dog to take with you. He is really good at sniffing, in any language, and is eager to learn new skills! just be sure to bring him back since it took years to get him to tolerate cats and kittens (secret sniffer that he is).

    PS my heart-felt apologies for yet another overly long post. No time to chop down…..

    • Bornajoo on August 20, 2015, 5:55 pm

      “You, jhitchcock have not been assigned or provided with the absolute authority to pick and choose “anti-semites” like a bird picks seeds”

      +1000 Danaa! . You are able to articulate things I think about but cannot put into words. You also say things I want to say but maybe I’m too scared to

      THANK YOU! Great comment

      • just on August 20, 2015, 6:02 pm

        I’ll just piggyback on your response to Danaa, Bornajoo.

        Can’t improve on it. ;-))

        She’s an original gem!

    • ritzl on August 20, 2015, 6:14 pm

      Thanks for bringing this up, Danaa. I think Palestinian movement leadership’s reliance on Jewish LibZio financial support is a another “elephant” in this discussion.

      An important factor, not often (if ever) acknowledged or discussed.

      I was going to take a stab at it, but I would have hashed it up. I’m glad you worked your magic on it.

      And what Bornajoo and just said!

      Open question: Is there a way around, or out of this funding pressure?

      • Kathleen on August 20, 2015, 11:51 pm

        So is that really part of all this that the Palestinian movement has become dependent on Jewishlibzio financial support?

    • Kathleen on August 20, 2015, 11:49 pm

      Danaa “because this kind of denouncement and shunning tactics may start out with a few individuals but the actual target is much larger” Atzmon has had a fair amount to say about this.

      Have there been any efforts to put pressure on JVP to mix up their board with Palestinians etc.

    • RoHa on August 21, 2015, 4:06 am

      Another splendid post! I agree with your view of Atzmon as choosing to be one of the persecuted.

      ‘The secret smell-sniffing tools to get a whiff of an “anti-semite”’

      Anti-Semitism is the default position. You should assume everything is ant-Semitic until it is shown not to be. What you really need is an app on you mobile that will point out those things and people which are not anti-Semitic.

      But you there are so few such people and things that you might decide it isn’t worth the cost.

  24. lysias on August 26, 2015, 3:26 pm

    This is really off topic, but I think people here should be aware of what the Australian press is saying about this morning’s shooting of the two newscasters in Virginia. Virginia shooting: Ex-employee Vester Lee Flanagan accused of murdering reporter, cameraman:

    DISTURBING details have emerged of the disgruntled former reporter accused of murdering a journalist and cameraman live on air.

    Vester Lee Flanagan II, known professionally as Bryce Williams, allegedly killed his ex-colleagues Alison Parker and Adam Ward of WDBJ, a local TV station in Virginia, about 6.45am Wednesday (8.45pm AEST).

    Flanagan died about 1.26pm from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, authorities said.
    While police have not commented on Flanagan’s motive, ABC News in the US reported that it had received a 23-page manifesto from the alleged gunman about the attack.

    In the letter, which he called a “Suicide Note for Friends and Family”, Flanagan outlined his many grievances, including that he was discriminated against for being gay and African American.

    “Yes, it will sound like I am angry … I am. And I have every right to be. But when I leave this Earth, the only emotion I want to feel is peace …,” he wrote.

    In his rambling manifesto, he said the alleged shooting was a reaction to the racism of the Charleston church shooting.

    “Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15 …” he wrote.

    “What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them. …

    “As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!”

    Flanagan also quoted the Virginia Tech mass killer, Seung Hui Cho, and expressed admiration for the Columbine High School killers.

    “Also, I was influenced by Seung Hui Cho. That’s my boy right there. He got NEARLY double the amount that Eric Harris and Dylann Klebold got … just sayin’.”

    He continued: “The church shooting was the tipping point … but my anger has been building steadily … I’ve been a human powder keg for a while … just waiting to go BOOM!!!!”

    Looks like Roof was not the only one who wanted a race war.

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