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Update: 6:39:36 am GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 6:39:36 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 6:39:36 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Update: 6:36 am GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 6:36 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 6:36 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Update: 6:18 am GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 6:18 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 6:18 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Update: Homestretch countdown with only 262 more signatures to go, they are still rolling in @ 1:17 am GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 1:17 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 1:17 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Update: Nightowls kickin’ it! Welcome to a new day in the UK. Countdown Sept.5, 2015 12:36 am GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 12:36 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 12:36 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Original:

On August 7, UK citizen Damian Moran posted a petition on the UK Government and Parliament E-petition website calling for Netanyahu to “be arrested for war crimes upon arrival in the U.K for the massacre of over 2000 civilians in 2014”. The petition spread swiftly on social media internationally as signatures piled up by the thousands. At approximately 4:40 pm GMT+1 today, September 4th, the petition had garnered over 99,000 signatures and will likely reach 100,000 in the next several hours — less than one month from the petition’s posting.

Signatories are limited to British citizens or UK residents. The UK government promises a response on all petitions if and when they garner 10,000 signatures. At 100,000 the petition “will be considered for debate in Parliament”.  Hence, the petition could be debated in the House of Commons. However, since the establishment of the UK Directgov E-Petition site two years ago, almost half the petitions submitted  by the public have been flat out rejected, only 10 have gotten a response from the government, and thus far, none have resulted in a parliamentary debate.

The Guardian called these petitions “rarely more than a farce” (the url spells out “worse-than-useless”) and the chance this petition will be considered for debate for more than a split second are slim to none, and the chance the House of Commons will debate whether or not to arrest Netanyahu for war crimes is practically nil.

Still, people love this petition, I know I do. I’ve been checking it and watching the count rise all month. I have confidence, each and every British citizens who adds their signature to this petition, speaks vicariously for thousands of us from around the world who seek justice and accountability for war crimes committed, cumulatively representing millions of people from all walks of life.

So we’re hosting our own countdown.

As of this moment the number of signatories is 99,183. We will be updating that figure when we publish. And we’ll be adding a few screenshots as we get into the final stretch, while gratefully cheering on British citizens adding their signatures to this petition.

Update: Final countdown. 6:00 am GMT+1 – we’re down to double digits:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 6:00 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 6:00 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Update: 3:00 am GMT+1, we’re noticing a gradual slowdown. It is probable the British sleep:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 3:00 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 3:00 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Update: 2:00 am GMT+1:

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Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 2:00 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Update: 1:00 am GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 1:00 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 1:00 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Update: 12:00 am GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 12:00 pm GMT+1 September 4, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 12:00 am GMT+1 September 5, 2015

Update: 11:00 pm GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 11:00 pm GMT+1 September 4, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 11:00 pm GMT+1 September 4, 2015

Update: 10:00 pm GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 10:00 pm GMT+1 September 4, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 10:00 pm GMT+1 September 4, 2015

Update 9 pm GMT+1: 

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 9:00 pm GMT September 4, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 9:00 pm GMT+1 September 4, 2015

Update 8 pm GMT+1: 

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 8 pm GMT September 4, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 8 pm GMT+1 September 4, 2015

Update 7 pm GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 7 pm GMT September 6, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 7 pm GMT+1 September 4, 2015

4:40 pm GMT+1:

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu's arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 4:40 pm GMT September 4, 2015

Screenshot: UK petition supporting Netanyahu’s arrest for war crimes when he arrives in London. 4:40 pm GMT+1 September 4, 2015

Following is the British Government’s response to the petition delivered last month accessed at the base of the petition:

Government responded

Under UK and international law, visiting heads of foreign governments, such as Prime Minister Netanyahu, have immunity from legal process, and cannot be arrested or detained.

The British Government has invited Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, as head of the Israeli Government, to visit the UK in September. Under UK and international law, certain holders of high-ranking office in a State, including Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers for Foreign Affairs are entitled to immunity, which includes inviolability and complete immunity from criminal jurisdiction.

We recognise that the conflict in Gaza last year took a terrible toll. As the Prime Minister said, we were all deeply saddened by the violence and the UK has been at the forefront of international reconstruction efforts. However the Prime Minister was clear on the UK’s recognition of Israel’s right to take proportionate action to defend itself, within the boundaries of international humanitarian law. We condemn the terrorist tactics of Hamas who fired rockets on Israel, built extensive tunnels to kidnap and murder, and repeatedly refused to accept ceasefires. Israel, like any state, has the right to ensure its own security, as its citizens also have the right to live without fear of attack.

The UK consistently urged Israel to do everything possible to avoid civilian casualties, to exercise restraint, and to help find ways to bring the situation to an end. The UK continues to urge the parties to give priority to reaching a durable solution for Gaza which addresses the underlying drivers of conflict, and to take the necessary practical steps to ensure Gaza’s reconstruction and economic recovery.

We welcome the fact that Israel is conducting internal investigations into specific incidents during Operation Protective Edge. Where there is evidence of wrongdoing those responsible must be held accountable whatever their position in society. Both parties must also demonstrate robust and credible internal investigations which are in line with international standards. We have also encouraged the Israeli authorities, as we do all countries, to cooperate with the independent Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC) regarding the preliminary examination into the situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories since 13 June, 2014, whilst noting that Israel is not a State Party to the ICC.

The UK is a close friend of Israel and we enjoy an excellent bilateral relationship, built on decades of cooperation between our two countries across a range of fields. Our priority for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict remains the achievement of a two-state solution, based on 1967 borders. We continue to believe that negotiations will be necessary in order to achieve this, and that both parties need to focus on steps that are conducive to peace. The UK Government will reinforce this message to Mr Netanyahu during his visit.

annie
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  1. annie
    annie
    September 4, 2015, 2:44 pm

    ok, it’s 99,201 right now.

    • pshoben
      pshoben
      September 4, 2015, 7:49 pm

      Hi Annie, awesome countdown you’re running!

      99,712 :)

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 8:28 pm

        i’m so lovin’ it stan, good to see you!

    • ziusudra
      ziusudra
      September 5, 2015, 6:58 am

      Greetings Annie,
      They won’t arrest him, but negative publications add to BDS of what King Bibi shuns. It’s satisfying enough. I’m tickled pink.
      There are some 40 mn Brits, throw in the Irish of 8 or 10mn are many People+ News outlets in contiguous Europe. A lot of good PR for BDS!
      ziusudra

      • annie
        annie
        September 5, 2015, 10:09 pm

        yes, it’s great pr. btw, i just ran into this presstv interview with joe catron about the implications of petition.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      September 8, 2015, 6:12 pm

      CURSES, SWEARWORDS & OATHS!

      The Petitions Committee has just sent out an email

      The meat and potatoes:

      “The Committee considered this petition, along with the Goverment’s response, on Tuesday 8 September.

      Because the Government said in its response that the request made by the petition was something that it was not able to do under UK and international law the Committee agreed that it would not take any further action on the petition.”

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        September 8, 2015, 7:06 pm

        Well, since they say they are bound by national and international law, I think someone may have an interest in compelling them cite those specific sections.

      • straightline
        straightline
        September 8, 2015, 7:09 pm

        It’s about forcing them out into the open, Bumblebye, Just keep up the pressure – big demonstrations and keep signing. And write to the media with Hostage’s response to the UK government lies.

  2. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    September 4, 2015, 2:59 pm

    99,210.
    It’s my hope that even tho the govt will find any excuse to dismiss the option to debate the petition, people will continue to sign & sign & sign. We can’t all turn up to demonstrate against Netanyahu in London, against Israeli policies towards Palestinians who are hostages in their own country. We can keep sharing this petition so that it hopefully achieves millions of signatures.

    99,224.

    • annie
      annie
      September 4, 2015, 3:16 pm

      thanks bumble. i was updating while you were writing 99,224. my timestamp was actually 12.02.50 PM (PST) when i screenshot the last update (99,228). exciting! that’s 75 in the last hour. let’s hope the countdown inspires people to add their names. of course i was guestimating the 8 hours, which would be the middle of the night in london. but whether i am an hours or 2 or 3 off is not the point . it’s been going up consistently at a very decent pace. i’ve been planning on this countdown for weeks. so excited — ok, i just wrote that already. ;)

      99,244

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        September 4, 2015, 4:23 pm

        99,351

        I’ve been following it since I found it too. It was under 1,700 when I signed and climbing so rapidly. It slooooowed so much over the holiday weekend I was trying to “will” it upwards again!

        99,359

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 4:35 pm

        it’s got momentum — really moving now. i think it’s getting a boost from social media now that it’s nearing 100k. how could it not. i’m just concerned it will slow down once people start going to sleep. they probably do that in the UK ;)

        99,375

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        September 4, 2015, 4:44 pm

        99,393

        Actually, my obsessive watching saw the fastest rises between 9pm and 1am – all the night-owls!

        99,396

    • Rusty Pipes
      Rusty Pipes
      September 4, 2015, 6:04 pm

      Bibi has motivation, in addition to being power-hungry, for keeping his job as Prime Minister for the rest of his life.

  3. just
    just
    September 4, 2015, 3:00 pm

    Great effort by these good people from the UK and Damian Moran.

    (Maybe they should start a petition to have Cameron and other pols arrested for his/their unflagging support for the Gaza massacre(s) and other atrocities!)

    Thanks, Annie.

  4. lonely rico
    lonely rico
    September 4, 2015, 4:20 pm

    British Government’s response to the petition –
    Under UK and international law, visiting heads of foreign governments, such as Prime Minister Netanyahu, have immunity from legal process, and cannot be arrested or detained.

    The 4th Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (1949) stipulates –
    Article 146: … Each High Contracting Party shall be under the obligation to search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be committed, such grave breaches, and shall bring such persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts.
    Article 147: …Grave breaches to which the preceding Article relates shall be those involving any of the following acts, if committed against persons or property protected by the present Convention: willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, … willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, taking of hostages and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly.

    Article 147 appears to be an accurate description of Gaza 2014.

    The UK is a signatory of the 4th Geneva Convention, a ‘High Contracting Party’.
    Why do ‘UK and international law’ take precedence over the 4th Geneva Conventions ?
    To which ‘UK and international law’ is the British government referring ?
    Do ‘High Contracting Parties’ get to pick and choose which articles it observes and honors ?

    • Rodneywatts
      Rodneywatts
      September 5, 2015, 4:19 am

      Hi lonely rico
      Good comment — your last line, sadly appears to be true, as politics trumps law in so many cases.
      However I am glad to see that mention of the ICC is made in the government response –even though we have yet to see what teeth the Court has in this case.

  5. annie
    annie
    September 4, 2015, 4:24 pm

    it’s at 99,360 —

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      September 4, 2015, 4:32 pm

      99,374…..

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 4:40 pm

        thrilling 99, 389

        edit: check out that screenshot i just captured in the update at 9:45

        99,396 cosmic ;)

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        September 4, 2015, 4:51 pm

        99,408

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 4:55 pm

        after i record it on the hour i am going to step away from my computer. this could get totally addicting but i have a few things i have to do today. hopefully people here will be posting the time when they comment so we can get a continuous record of the speed in which the signatures are coming in. thanks so much bumble.

        99,414

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        September 4, 2015, 4:55 pm

        It’s BST (British Summer Time = GMT+1) at the moment (ie it was 8pm GMT).

        oops – ps(!) 99,418

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 4:57 pm

        it is? odd, because i googled the time earlier and calculated it against my time. oh my! that’s a lot of adjusting on edits. thanks for letting me know.

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 4:58 pm

        i just googled london time and it says it’s 9:58 pm. weird. oh i see, the +1. thank you! just edited everything — hopefully caught all the timestamps.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        September 4, 2015, 5:24 pm

        99,450

        see, uptick in signings since we passed 9pm BST!

        99,457

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 5:40 pm

        yes totally. except for some reason i am not able to access it now! someone just DM’d me it was at 99,467 but that was a few minutes ago. it is either getting so slammed i can’t reach it or i don’t know what.

      • just
        just
        September 4, 2015, 5:42 pm

        No access here.

        (Thanks for your kind salutation above, Annie.)

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 5:50 pm

        yeah, i am not able to access it here myself just. i’m curious if anyone else in the US is able to access it. if anyone is reading this who is able to access it can send us a screenshot at exactly 11 GMT+! or on the hour where ever you are that would be greatly appreciated. it would be a bummer to miss this live.

        on an apple it’s command/shift and 4. then outline the image with your cursor and let go. you’ll hear a click sound and should be able to find the screenshot in your finder. please send to [email protected].

        thanks!

        edit update: i just got access back! 99,503

  6. straightline
    straightline
    September 4, 2015, 5:47 pm

    99501 now

    • annie
      annie
      September 4, 2015, 5:51 pm

      thanks straightline

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        September 4, 2015, 6:17 pm

        99,536

        I can still get it, so thankfully nothing’s wrong in the UK.

        99,539

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 6:43 pm

        it’s back for me bumble. the people are signing it fast and furious

        99,596

  7. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    September 4, 2015, 7:01 pm

    99,627 as we hit midnight!

    99,629 before we hit minute past.

    • annie
      annie
      September 4, 2015, 7:46 pm

      yes! i didn’t see your comment bumblebye cuz i was busy updating. and those numbers i’m getting when i check are really cosmic. i love it! it feels magical.

  8. RoHa
    RoHa
    September 4, 2015, 7:28 pm

    99679

  9. straightline
    straightline
    September 4, 2015, 7:32 pm

    The Brits are going to bed – I don’t see it making 100000 until tomorrow morning their time – 8 or 9 hours. Well done, Damian and colleagues.

    • annie
      annie
      September 4, 2015, 7:42 pm

      i don’t know straightline. it just got 60 votes in less than 30 minutes. it will be the middle of the night for them. we’ll just have to see how it goes. they are definitely still signing!

  10. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    September 4, 2015, 8:00 pm

    1am, 99,722!

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 4, 2015, 8:04 pm

      Just need a few more insomniacs, shift workers, and late-night drunks.

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 8:33 pm

        lol! i must say a shot of whiskey is right up my alley but it’s a bit early for me out here in california. however, i feel the energy for sure!

        99,752

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 4, 2015, 8:49 pm

        I’m back in Oz, so it’s still morning for me. I’ll have to go out for an hour or so. I’ll be surprised if it isn’t 100,000 when I get back. All it needs is a tiny fraction of NHS workers to sign up while on night duty.

      • straightline
        straightline
        September 4, 2015, 9:32 pm

        The NHS workers will be too busy dealing with the results of brawls involving the Saturday night drunks. It has slowed down – wait till tomorrow morning, UK time.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 4, 2015, 10:22 pm

        Yep. I’ve just got back, and it has hit 99,800.

      • annie
        annie
        September 4, 2015, 10:25 pm

        it’s only 7:25 in the evening here. so i’ll see it before i nod off to bed for sure. ;)

  11. RoHa
    RoHa
    September 5, 2015, 12:06 am

    99, 865 now.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 5, 2015, 12:32 am

      99,900!

      • annie
        annie
        September 5, 2015, 12:38 am

        hey! exciting. i was offline for awhile and i came back and checked and it said 99,907!

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 5, 2015, 12:39 am

        Are you still awake, Bumble?

        You should be the one to announce it when we get over the line.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 5, 2015, 1:20 am

        99,955! Nearly there. This is nail-biting stuff.

      • straightline
        straightline
        September 5, 2015, 1:22 am

        Only 39 to go and picking up speed again. Morning has broken in UK.

      • annie
        annie
        September 5, 2015, 1:33 am

        yep morning has broken 99,983!

  12. hungrydave
    hungrydave
    September 5, 2015, 12:24 am

    I signed this a bit ago. I agree that it’s unlikely to ever get debated.. At least until Jeremy Corbyn takes power :-) He’s been completely consistent on Palestinian rights for 25 years or so.

    #jezwecan

    • Rodneywatts
      Rodneywatts
      September 5, 2015, 4:29 am

      Hi hungrydave
      Tend to agree with what you say, but also whatever happens with the Labour leadership, this petition is ending a clear message to all politicians– there are conservatives who are not happy with Israel.

    • Froggy
      Froggy
      September 5, 2015, 8:49 am

      hungrydave : “At least until Jeremy Corbyn takes power :-) He’s been completely consistent on Palestinian rights for 25 years or so.”

      From your keyboard to God’s eye….

    • lysias
      lysias
      September 12, 2015, 2:23 pm
  13. J.G. Sandom
    J.G. Sandom
    September 5, 2015, 12:32 am

    Government responded:
    “Under UK and international law, visiting heads of foreign governments, such as Prime Minister Netanyahu, have immunity from legal process, and cannot be arrested or detained.”

    But that doesn’t mean he can’t be disinvited.

    • Rodneywatts
      Rodneywatts
      September 5, 2015, 4:40 am

      Hi J. G.

      ‘But that doesn’t mean he can’t be disinvited.’ True, but if Cameron is serious about what is said re the ICC then it might be useful. Also perhaps a demonstration would help to show our utter deprecation of all that Israel has done. Certainly the petition, which is stll gathering sigs, sends a clear message, and personally I would like to see a retraction of the invite.

      This petition, together with, more importantly, the increasing support Obama is getting for the Iran deal are both nails in Netanyahu’s standing.

  14. RoHa
    RoHa
    September 5, 2015, 1:38 am

    99,999

  15. RoHa
    RoHa
    September 5, 2015, 1:40 am

    Bong!

    100,000

  16. RoHa
    RoHa
    September 5, 2015, 1:48 am

    Congrats to Damian Moran, whoever he is.

    I see another 23 have just signed.

  17. Pixel
    Pixel
    September 5, 2015, 3:39 am

    Wow! Cool getting all revved up about something so fine!

    It doesn’t matter if the UK gov does nothing about it, which they won’t.

    It’s yet another symbol of the dawning of a new day in truth and justice, and the accelerating power and speed of the collective.

    Annie, this was fun!

    • straightline
      straightline
      September 5, 2015, 4:18 am

      Yes Pixel – “new day in truth and justice” – I have that feeling too. We can, in large part, thank the internet. I don’t know if you caught what went on in Melbourne a few days ago. The “Australian Border Force” announced that it would “question any individual it crossed paths with” on the streets of Melbourne CBD to determine if they have a valid visa – apparently asking for papers whereas visas are, these days, typically electronic. Within a matter of a few hours it was all over. Via social media, a big demonstration was mounted and the ABF had to retract. Big Brother may be watching but he has Big Momma to contend with.

    • annie
      annie
      September 5, 2015, 12:13 pm

      i had fun too! and i think it’s got momentum! another 787 signatures! i hope it just keeps growing, ;)

  18. Rodneywatts
    Rodneywatts
    September 5, 2015, 4:10 am

    Hi Annie, thanks for doing exactly as promised — I expect you are getting well deserved sleep now.

  19. FreddyV
    FreddyV
    September 5, 2015, 6:41 am

    Given that Netanyahu enjoys Diplomatic Immunity and won’t be arrested, but the 100,000 signatures automatically triggers a debate in Parliament, what happens now?

    Someone here has suggested that he is disinvited, but our politics are massively infiltrated by the Israel lobby, so I don’t see that as possible .

    I’m thinking that this will be a 5 minute affair where its raised, then shot down immediately and on to other business. This is a victory for public opinion. 100,000 isn’t many people in a nation of over 70 million, but it is significant for this many people to feel sufficiently strong enough to take action.

    • annie
      annie
      September 5, 2015, 12:17 pm

      yes exactly freddy. it is a victory for public opinion. if the government “considers it” that would likely be for a split second. it’s symbolic, but packs a big punch.

  20. just
    just
    September 5, 2015, 8:50 am

    Thanks so much for covering this, Annie.

    100,566 just now!

    • annie
      annie
      September 5, 2015, 12:15 pm

      isn’t it fantastic just!

      • just
        just
        September 6, 2015, 8:23 am

        It sure is, Annie!

        I just looked again and now it’s 102,463!

  21. Froggy
    Froggy
    September 5, 2015, 9:13 am

    Annie : Many thanks for the countdown (and, once again, for all the work you do).

    My British husband added his name, along with his extended family in England and Wales. My family in Scotland voted — my father was a Scot — and those kids who are old enough signed. As I have dual citizenship and an address in the UK, I added my name.

    People are paying attention.

  22. Kay24
    Kay24
    September 5, 2015, 9:26 am

    Congratulations to those who organized this effort. Realistically, he will never be arrested of course, because just like the US, he has control over some over there too. However, this looks good on paper, it is symbolic, and can be mentioned to refer to the fact that he is a war criminal.

    I am curious how many will sign a similar petition in the US, or will it be immediately shut down as “anti-semitic”?

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      September 5, 2015, 9:49 am

      I will if we have one, of course. But I’ve never heard of a similar process.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        September 5, 2015, 10:27 pm

        It will NEVER happen here CG, if it did, it would be even a bigger deal than the UK. After all,
        Israel’s control is much more extensive here, no thanks to the lobbies and zionist media.

  23. Vera Gottlieb
    Vera Gottlieb
    September 5, 2015, 10:31 am

    Show him the same mercy he has shown all those dead Gazans!

  24. John O
    John O
    September 5, 2015, 12:50 pm

    Just checked in at the UK government petition website:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions

    … and this is at no. 5 in the charts (as it were). No. 1 is the petition to increase support for Middle Eastern refugees, which, at over 412,000 signatures must stand a good chance of actually being debated. It would be especially good as the leader of Her Majesty’s loyal opposition will very likely be Jeremy Corbyn, who is a PIP – progressive including Palestine.

  25. Rashers2
    Rashers2
    September 5, 2015, 1:04 pm

    The petition will not only not lead to Mileikowsky’s arrest but will not likely, either, result in a debate in Parliament; this is not automatic but a matter of discretion (the Speaker of the Commons’ discretion, I believe). If it helps, however, to raise I/P a notch in the public consciousness, then it will have been worth the effort. Successive British governments have been supine on I/P; partly, as other MW correspondents suggest, owing to the power of the British pro-Israel lobby – this is far less in-your-face than the likes of AIPAC; and throws around much lesser sums in order to get itself heard and listened to. It is, however, powerful and has more than once threatened MSM with loss of vital advertising revenue, etc. if it departed too far from the “legitimate self-defence” Hasbara.
    Some British politicians, including Tory former minister, Lady Sayeeda Warsi, who resigned in August 2014 from her job as Foreign Office Minister of State over the government’s spinelessness in the face of “Protective Edge”, are more principled. This is the text of her letter of resignation:
    “Dear Prime Minister
    For some weeks, in meeting and discussion, I have been open and honest about my views on the conflict in Gaza and our response to it.
    My view has been that our policy in relation to the Middle East Peace Process generally but more recently our approach and language during the current crisis in Gaza is morally indefensible, is not in Britain’s national interest and will have a long term detrimental impact on our reputation internationally and domestically.
    Particularly as the Minister with responsibility for the United Nations, The International Criminal Court and Human Rights I believe our approach in relation to the current conflict is neither consistent with our values, specifically our commitment to the rule of law and our long history of support for International Justice. In many ways the absence of the experience and expertise of colleagues like Ken Clarke [formerly Lord Chancellor] and Dominic Grieve [formerly Attorney General] has over the last few weeks become very apparent.
    This decision has not been easy. It has been a privilege to serve for 3 years in your Shadow Cabinet and over 4 years in your Cabinet. Introducing you in Blackpool in 2005 as you made your bid for leadership I had the pleasure of being there at the start of the journey and it would have been rewarding to have been there til the end.
    The last decade has given me the opportunity to work with some of the best in the Conservative Party and indeed in Government. William Hague was probably one of the finest Foreign Secretaries this country has seen and has been inspirational. He dismantled foreign policy making by sofa government and restored decision making and dignity to the Foreign Office. There is however great unease across the Foreign Office, amongst both Minister and senior officials, [o]n the way recent decisions are being made.
    Eric Pickles [formerly Secretary of State for Local Government & Communities] has supported me tirelessly in our work on combating hate crime, challenging anti-Semitism and Islamophobia and the pioneering work of celebration [of] faith in the public sphere. This new-found confidence in Government has allowed me to take the very public International lead on religious freedom, specifically on the ever growing crisis of the persecution of Christians. However, early evidence from the Home Office and others shows that the fallout of the current conflict and the potential for the crisis in Gaza and our response to it becoming a basis for radicalisation could have consequences for us for years to come.
    From both Eric and William I learnt the art of reconciling passion and idealism with pragmatism and realism, but I always said that long after life in politics I must be able to live with myself for the decisions I took or the decisions I supported. By staying in Government at this time I do not feel I can be sure of that.
    It is therefore with regret that I am writing to resign.”

  26. ritzl
    ritzl
    September 5, 2015, 1:10 pm

    Mega-YAY!!

    Thanks Annie and everyone for making this such an exciting event!

    And thanks to all the signers for making it an event to be excited about!!

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      September 5, 2015, 8:43 pm

      My buddies and I (2 of us and my son ) are going to the demonstration , Bumblebye !
      We’ll give a shout for you. !

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        September 5, 2015, 9:44 pm

        Thank you, but I’m still jealous! I live too far away.

        meanwhile, there’s another petition needs lots of signatures fast (make it more embarrassing for Cam & the Nut if it revs up & climbs like a rocket) – for the Brit govt to sanction Israel (only at 547 now):
        https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/106751
        quick! Get the ol’ quill pen out!

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 5, 2015, 10:44 pm

        Signed.

        And give a shout for me, please.

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      September 5, 2015, 8:49 pm

      Ditto , ritzl.

      Thanks Annie and everyone …it has been truly exciting…and kept me up .
      We’re going to the demonstration on Wednesday ( 3 of us !)

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba
        September 5, 2015, 8:52 pm

        Ditto from me,too, please .
        Thanks Annie and everyone !

      • annie
        annie
        September 5, 2015, 9:01 pm

        bintbiba, i just heard today (in my front yard in front of my pond sipping tea — not even on the internet!) an MP named Gerald Kaufman was going to be introducing the debate at the house of commons!!!

        shh, just a rumor – but a great rumor don’t you think?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 5, 2015, 9:28 pm

        Good old Gerald “My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza” Kaufmann is a likely lad for the job. I think he’s the Father of the House, now, so that will give him extra clout, and he’ll know which Tories will back him up. You know his record on this, I trust?

        Here’s just one of his famous bits.
        http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2009/kaufman170109.html

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        September 5, 2015, 9:44 pm

        He does sound promising. Thx for the link. Sharing…

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        September 6, 2015, 9:02 am

        Oh RoHa, so it’s Gerald Kaufman. This brings tears to my eyes. I so admire him.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        September 5, 2015, 9:47 pm

        Oh annie, I hope he does!

      • straightline
        straightline
        September 5, 2015, 10:03 pm

        Gerald Kaufman – wonderful! Couldn’t be a better choice. RoHa has cited his wonderful speech during Cast Lead. Here is another:

        http://www.redressonline.com/2014/02/we-must-impose-sanctions-says-british-mp/

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        September 5, 2015, 10:30 pm

        I hope those rumors are true Annie. I really admire that amazing guy. I will never forget his passionate and strong speech in British Parliament criticizing the terrible crimes of the zionists, and highlighting the suffering of the occupied Palestinians. Such a great speaker, and despite his age, seems to have a strong backbone! I would love to watch him speak about this petition in Parliament, soon.

      • annie
        annie
        September 6, 2015, 2:14 am

        yeah it was a great speech.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 6, 2015, 10:00 am

        I keep spelling his name “Kaufmann”. Must try to get it right.

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba
        September 6, 2015, 3:20 pm

        Will do , RoHa !! ;)

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 7, 2015, 8:51 am

        I’ve checked. Kaufman is the Father of the House.

        For those not familiar with the system, this is a courtesy title for the member with the longest continuous service. Officially, no special powers, but, if the FOH is roughly as sane and sober as the average MP (not a difficult standard to attain) he will have a fair amount of respect, a good understanding of how things are done, and knowledge of who is who, and of where some particularly embarrassing bodies are buried.

        Just the person to get a debate going.

  27. RoHa
    RoHa
    September 5, 2015, 11:28 pm

    I think that those of us who are actual voters in Britain (an “us” that excludes me) should now start pushing for the debate.

    I suggest sending a message to Gerald Kaufmann,

    [email protected]

    another to Nicholas Soames

    [email protected]

    and another to your local MP, and then another to an MP you think will be sympathetic.

    Labour Friends of Palestine have a good list.

    http://www.lfpme.org/page/supporters.php

    For Tories you could track down one of these:

    http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2014/10/palestine-recognition-how-conservative-mps-voted.html

    If you understand the Facebook thingy, this might help you to find an SNP member.

    https://www.facebook.com/SNPFriendsOfPalestine

    Lib-Dems have an FOP group, but no names.

    http://www.ldfp.eu

    Perhaps emailing this person might help.

    [email protected]

    Push them! Make the wires run hot!

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      September 6, 2015, 7:53 am

      Brit citizens can vote on this petition, yes, but also, all UK residents can also vote on it.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 6, 2015, 8:22 am

        I’m talking about pressure on MPs to debate the petition in the Commons, and the most effective pressure for that comes from voters. Non-citizen residents cannot vote in British elections, and neither can non-resident citizens.

    • ritzl
      ritzl
      September 6, 2015, 10:04 am

      Aye, RoHa.

      It would be a victory if they only debated the screwy basis for the government’s rejection the called-for debate — that British and international law precludes arrests of [alleged] war criminals who have diplomatic immunity. British law probably does, but Hostage has been pretty clear that international law explicitly says the opposite and that “high contracting parties” to the various human rights conventions must conform domestic law to match signed international accords.

      Maybe, least case, this petition will cause a legislative body to do what legislative bodies do, debate legislation. It seems such a reasonable “ask” by 100K+ constituents.

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      September 6, 2015, 12:17 pm

      Bumblebye , Signed the 2nd petition .

      Annie, thanks about the ‘rumour’ about Gerald Kaufman … wonderful human being !

      Thank you ,everyone for being there .

  28. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    September 6, 2015, 3:55 am

    When I was searching for reaction to the petition (I had signed) I noticed very little interest from the good old UK MSM.

    • MHughes976
      MHughes976
      September 6, 2015, 5:07 am

      To add, our grave and responsible senior journalists must be considering whether to treat all this as a) an understandable expression of disquiet b) a childish prank c) a demonic outbreak of anti-Semitism d) a complete non-event.
      I plan to be there on Wednesday too.. If I bump into bintbiba, all to the good.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 6, 2015, 5:42 am

        Plan your meeting. Wear a big “MW” sign so that you recognize each other. And if people ask what it means, you can promote this site.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        September 6, 2015, 7:32 am

        My bet is that senior editorial staff have decided to treat it as relatively unimportant but worthy of perhaps a sentence or two while covering the Nut’s visit – only a few days to wait after all!

        It has been reported on Israel’s Channel 2 to my knowledge.

      • just
        just
        September 6, 2015, 10:07 am

        “Over 100,000 Signatures on U.K. Petition to Arrest Netanyahu in London

        U.K. government confirms in statement that the Israeli premier has immunity and will not be arrested when he visits later this week.”

        read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.674770?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

        As for the rumour of the great Gerald Kaufman presenting the debate ~ it’s stupendous! There’s nobody better to initiate it.

        bintbiba~ have a wonderful time at the protest. Like Bumblebye, I am jealous!

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        September 6, 2015, 12:52 pm

        Thanks for the idea, RoHa, I’ll work on it

  29. Hostage
    Hostage
    September 6, 2015, 12:13 pm

    The British Government has invited Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, as head of the Israeli Government, to visit the UK in September. Under UK and international law, certain holders of high-ranking office in a State, including Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers for Foreign Affairs are entitled to immunity, which includes inviolability and complete immunity from criminal jurisdiction.

    The fact that Netanyahu, or anyone else is a high ranking official or head of state is really irrelevant in accordance with the applicable international law.

    Diplomatic immmunity is a norm of customary international law, but it is certainly NOT a peremptory (jus cogens) norm, like the prohibition of piracy, slavery, genocide, apartheid, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.

    The state parties to the UN Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity and/or the Rome Statute of the ICC are under NO obligation whatsoever to respect Mr. Netanyahu’s alleged diplomatic immunity.

    For example, the government of the UK ratified “Article 27 Irrelevance of official capacity,” of the Rome Statute which explicitly states that:

    1. This Statute shall apply equally to all persons without any distinction based on official capacity. In particular, official capacity as a Head of State or Government, a member of a Government or parliament, an elected representative or a government official shall in no case exempt a person from criminal responsibility under this Statute, nor shall it, in and of itself, constitute a ground for reduction of sentence.

    2. Immunities or special procedural rules which may attach to the official capacity of a person, whether under national or international law, shall not bar the Court from exercising its jurisdiction over such a person.

    The Rome Statute does not create conventional rights or obligations for 3rd party states, but they remain unconditionally bound by the terms of jus cogens norms. Article 98 requires the Court to respect treaty procedures between members and third party states regarding conflicting extradition requests, & etc. But Article 98 CANNOT preempt jus cogens norms, i.e. Article 53 of the UN Convention on The Law of Treaties (Treaties conflicting with a peremptory norm of general international law “jus cogens”) stipulates:

    A treaty is void if, at the time of its conclusion, it conflicts with a peremptory norm of general international law.

    http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree/viennaconvention.html

    That rule applies to the Rome Statute itself, and any treaty concluded between member and non-member States.

    • just
      just
      September 6, 2015, 12:34 pm

      Thanks for that explanation, Hostage.

      So it’s just a PM Cameron et al. decision and/or cowardice.

      (I guess it could lead to a precedent for folks all over the world, a lot less travel and fanfare, and lots more skyping. otoh, it would save citizens heaps of money and reduce the use of private security details. All in all, a win- win.)

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      September 6, 2015, 12:34 pm

      Many thanks, just !
      Will do… I hope these 80 year old legs will hold out…. but I have two stalwart strong ‘uns by my side to assist ! my excitement will keep me upright till the end . ;))

      Will be thinking of you’all !!

      • just
        just
        September 6, 2015, 12:47 pm

        You’re stalwart on your own, dear bintbiba.

        I am thrilled that you have “two strong’uns” with you. We in this community that can’t be there couldn’t be better represented.

        (Just make sure that the anti- justice and anti- peace protestors don’t come near you!)

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        September 10, 2015, 12:40 am

        Best wishes bintbiba! Should be awesome!

    • Jackdaw
      Jackdaw
      September 7, 2015, 3:54 pm

      @Hostage

      Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

      More of your ephemeral international ‘fairy law’.

      More impotent rage.

      ‘Thank you, Hostage’. ‘Your marvelous, Hostage’.
      The peanut gallery fawns, yet nothing changes.
      Square one. Again.

      Hostage. BTW, what ever came of your petition to the ICC?
      A nullity? A dead letter office drop?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 7, 2015, 5:25 pm

        “The peanut gallery fawns, yet nothing changes.”

        And I will wager, “Jackdaw” that nobody except me will mention how tolerant, fair-minded and, yes, I say it, GENEROUS, you are to allow this kind of thing to go on at your blog, in spite of your principled objections to it. Not like some ‘so-called liberals’ who hang around here, applauding people for pointing out what’s plainly written in the law, like that’s a big achievement!

      • talknic
        talknic
        September 7, 2015, 10:29 pm

        @ Jackdaw “More of your ephemeral international ‘fairy law’”

        Other folk have thought the same. You must be so proud

        Meanwhile Israel clutches illegally acquired territory and has faith in possession being 9/10ths of the law

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        September 7, 2015, 10:58 pm

        You paint a hideous self-potrait, jackdaw.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        September 8, 2015, 12:09 am

        @cigar

        South Africa flouts international law requirements and lets the genocidal Sudanese President Omar Bashir remain free.
        Why? Because international law iw ‘fairy law’.
        http://www.voanews.com/content/reu-icc-asks-south-africa-to-explain-failure-to-arrest-bashir/2950919.html

        Yet if I throw garbage in the street, the local municipality will fine me, guaranteed. Now that’s real law.

        Horrendous. Isn’t it?
        Welcome to the real world.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        September 8, 2015, 4:41 am

        You remind me of little johnny who when caught doing something he shouldn’t says to his mother: well, billy does it and he doesn’t get punished.

      • talknic
        talknic
        September 8, 2015, 12:44 am

        @ Jackdaw “South Africa flouts international law requirements and lets the genocidal Sudanese President Omar Bashir remain free.”

        Fine company Israel keeps. As I said before, you must be so very proud.

        “Why? Because international law iw ‘fairy law’”

        Then why in fact do the majority of nations comply with International Law?

        What are fairy tales is the word of nations who say they’ll comply but don’t and the hypocrisy of those who’re in a position to enforce the law but don’t. International Law can and has been enforced. Iraq was booted out of Kuwait, Indonesia was booted out of East Timor. Plenty of your ilk who thought the law was of little worth ended up swinging https://www.google.com/search?q=nuremberg+trials&biw=1920&bih=901&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CEcQsARqFQoTCNiiyNCs5scCFaPgpgodlZsMLQ

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        September 8, 2015, 1:18 am

        @talknic
        “Fine company Israel keeps. As I said before, you must be so very proud. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/recent-comments#sthash.e0GPxsJO.dpuf

        With respect the Sudanese had Bashir thrust upon them by way of a violent coup.

        Israel elects and ideolizes their bloody racists, murderers and war criminals.

        Very different situations

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        September 8, 2015, 8:00 am

        @talknic

        “Fine company Israel keeps.”
        Israel does not keep company with South Africa. South Africa is staunchly anti-Zionist. Remember the Durban Conference?

        What South Africa’s government is, is hypocritical, or at least ‘selective’, in it’s respect for international law.

        “Then why in fact do the majority of nations comply with International Law?”

        They comply when they think it’s in their best interest to comply, and fail to comply when they think it’s in their interest not to.

      • talknic
        talknic
        September 8, 2015, 9:29 am

        @ Jackdaw “Israel does not keep company with South Africa. South Africa is staunchly anti-Zionist. Remember the Durban Conference?”

        Your complaint against Sth Africa was disrespect for International Law. Hundreds of UNSC resolutions tell us Israel shows disrespect for International Law.

        “What South Africa’s government is, is hypocritical, or at least ‘selective’, in it’s respect for international law.”

        and Israel isn’t? AMAZING! I wonder why there are so many UNSC resolutions reminding Israel of its obligations and affording so many opportunities to comply to the binding Laws, Conventions and UN Charter those resolutions re-affirm.

        //“Then why in fact do the majority of nations comply with International Law?”//

        “They comply when they think it’s in their best interest to comply, and fail to comply when they think it’s in their interest not to”

        It’s in everyone’s interest to comply. The majority comply the majority of the time. That’s how International Law has been developed and been adopted, for the sake of all humanity.

        You’re trying to justify breaking the law by pointing out people who break it. So if they didn’t break the law, Israel wouldn’t break the law, is that it? I they didn’t recently break the law, the Zionist Federation wouldn’t have decided to colonize Palestine in 1897, is that it? If they stop breaking the law, Israel will suddenly end the occupation, illegal acquisition of other folk’s territory, withdraw to its own border taking all its illegal settlers and pay compensation for 67 years of illegally exploiting non-Israeli territory, is that it?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 8, 2015, 1:27 pm

        I can’t believe the WSDOT is wasting all that money repairing Big Bertha. Why didn’t they just call “Jackdaw”? Nobody digs themselves a hole faster.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        September 8, 2015, 2:27 pm

        @Hostage Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. More of your ephemeral international ‘fairy law’. More impotent rage.

        LoL! Careful, you’re projecting rather wildly. You’re the one who’s busy trolling the comment threads at Mondoweiss. I was actually enjoying my three-day weekend.

        Just to keep the record straight:

        * Al-Bashir reportedly “fled” South Africa one step ahead of a Court order for his arrest and surrender to the ICC. The same thing happened a few years ago in Nigeria. His plane has been denied passage through the airspace of Turkmenistan, Saudi Arabia and Tajikistan. Several Arab League states, including Jordan, have warned him that he will be arrested if he steps foot in their jurisdiction, e.g. See:
        – Jordan dissents from Arab position on ICC warrant for Sudan’s Bashir http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?page=imprimable&id_article=30619 and
        – Sudanese president will not fly to US for UN General assembly meetings http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article48184

        * The UK government was one of the permanent members of the UN Security Council that voted to refer the situation in Darfur to the ICC. The resolution contained a number of purported exemptions, but there were none for high ranking government officials or heads of state. In fact, Wikileaks revealed that the US, UK, and French governments offered to suspend the investigation of President Al-Bashir via Rome Statute Article 16 deferrals, if he would agree to cooperate with the implementation of their multilateral plans for Southern Sudanese independence, & etc. It’s pretty clear that he was not considered “inviolable” or “immune” from arrest or prosecution. http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/02/08/britain-france-and-u-s-considered-suspending-war-crimes-investigation-into-sudanese-president/

        * The fact that some government officials have played a role in assisting fugitives from justice, like Al-Bashir, Eichmann, Mengele, or Karadzic avoid arrest or prosecution for extended periods of time doesn’t transform international criminal law into ‘fairy law’ or something “ephemeral”, just ask the Zionists at the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

        *In the Eichmann case, the Israeli Supreme Court invoked universal jurisdiction in accordance with international law and cited the customary obligation to either prosecute or extradite persons accused of committing grave breaches outlined in the 4th Geneva Convention and the “Martens Clause” regarding “the principles of the law of nations as they result from the usages established among civilized peoples, from the laws of humanity and from the dictates of public conscience.” http://www.asser.nl/upload/documents/DomCLIC/Docs/NLP/Israel/Eichmann_Appeals_Judgement_29-5-1962.pdf

        *The UK petition is a valid mode of informing government officials about “the dictates of public conscience” in this particular case. The sentiments of the public regarding war crimes and violations of the laws of humanity have been a cornerstone of international public law, ever since the “Marten’s Clause” was first introduced in the preamble of the 1899 Hague Convention (II). The clause has been invoked and reaffirmed in every subsequent IHL convention.

        * The Government of the UK was one of the 41 countries that voted to adopt the recent UN HRC resolution (a) endorsing the findings regarding war crimes and crimes against humanity contained in the UN Fact Finding Mission report on the situation in Gaza; and (b) calling on member states to insure accountability and justice for all violations of international law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/C2D98BFE70CA237585257E7A00510787

        *Laurent Gbagbo was the President of Côte d’Ivoire from 2000 until his arrest and transfer to the ICC in April 2011.
        *Kenyan president Uhuru Kenyatta and Vice President Ruto were forced to temporarily step down from office to attend hearings in their ICC cases, before the Assembly of State Parties amended the rules of procedure to permit them to attend via closed circuit TV facilities, e.g. Kenyan president Uhuru Kenyatta to step down from office to attend ICC: Kenyatta to temporarily relinquish presidency for international criminal court hearing over charges relating to 2007 violence http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/06/kenyan-president-uhuru-kenyatta-attend-international-criminal-court

        Hostage. BTW, what ever came of your petition to the ICC? A nullity? A dead letter office drop?

        The ICC Prosecutor has opened a preliminary examination into charges filed by the government of Palestine.

      • ckg
        ckg
        September 9, 2015, 7:03 pm

        Jackdaw: “@Hostage Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.”

        @Obsidian. Still sore from getting banned at Hostage’s suggestion?

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      September 8, 2015, 12:39 am

      I cannot see after what Hostage has shown on here why or how David Cameron can refuse to arrest Netanyahu. It shows clearly David Cameron is a liar and is in fact Supoorting Zionist criminality. This will come back to haunt the UK. Nothing justifies doing nothing. Adolf Hitler would be arrested if he were alive…….Why not Netanyahu? There is absolutely no excuse.

  30. Rodneywatts
    Rodneywatts
    September 6, 2015, 12:32 pm

    Can I add to RoHa’s list of mp’s to contact – and thank you RoHa for the list.

    First Grahame Morris who was behind the recognition of Palestine debate last year:
    [email protected] Labour MP for Easington and pro Corbyn

    Second Sir Alan Duncan, who was minister of state at Dept of International Development in last government and conservative MP for Rutland & Melton. [email protected] He gave an excellent lecture at the Royal United Services Institute :
    https://www.rusi.org/events/ref:E5409871BBC25A#.VexiffSie-U

    Sorry I am currently too far away, like bumblebye, to be at the demo, but will also be shouting!
    Sorry too that family and business comitments have caused this comment to be so late.

    Just picked up your comment Hostage A*************

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 6, 2015, 7:28 pm

      Thanks, Rodney. I’m surprised I forgot them, but I’m glad you didn’t.

      The petition has gathered a lot of interest. I think it would be a shame to let it all fizzle away, rather than use it to get a debate.

      • Rodneywatts
        Rodneywatts
        September 7, 2015, 7:51 am

        Totally agree Roha, and I have just finished emailing some key MP’s. Lonely ricos comments on the 1949 Geneva Convention and Hostage’s more detailed information from elsewhere in international law wrt ‘jus cogens’ (which I have also checked) have been cited. Indeed, sadly the government response, which displays at best ignorance of applicable law or at worst a deliberate attempt to fool the public. In other words HMG is potentially in breach of IL to which we are signatories.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 7, 2015, 8:20 am

        Excellent! I hope plenty of others follow your example.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 7, 2015, 8:36 am

        British voters, don’t let this chance slip away. Get in touch with your MP and tell him/her/it/whatever that you want the debate.

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        September 7, 2015, 1:14 pm

        You can count on it, RoHa.

  31. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    September 6, 2015, 1:27 pm

    103,413

    update: “wating for 1 day for a debate date”
    now appears on the page!

    103,417!

    • just
      just
      September 6, 2015, 1:52 pm

      Super!

      Thanks, Bumblebye.

      link: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105446

    • just
      just
      September 6, 2015, 5:03 pm

      104,017 now… ;-)

      • straightline
        straightline
        September 6, 2015, 7:07 pm

        People in the UK are being besieged by headlines about the refugee crisis – as they should. In the midst of this, they see a statement from Netanyahu that he will take no Syrian refugees – not even the Palestinian ones. I think this might have impacted the rate of signing of the petition, which grew significantly over Sunday.

    • annie
      annie
      September 7, 2015, 12:12 am

      now it says “waiting for 2 days for a debate”

      this is fantasitic, i’ve been offline all day and to come back to 104,667!

      • inbound39
        inbound39
        September 8, 2015, 12:41 am

        I can tell you are just itching for Kaufmann to open fire Annie. I can see that mischievous glint in your eye….lol

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        September 10, 2015, 12:43 am

        Annie –
        Thank you, thank you so very much for being part of this world – this has been a beautiful thing to watch –
        108,614 at this moment!

      • annie
        annie
        September 10, 2015, 4:44 am

        thank you marnie, and everyone. it has been really incredible.

  32. just
    just
    September 6, 2015, 2:14 pm

    In other great UK news:

    “Protesters greet Israel in Cardiff before Euro 2016 match with Wales

    Hundreds of football fans held demonstrations in the city prior to kick-off calling for Israel to be booted out of international sport

    Adie Mormech was looking distinctly uncomfortable as he held a banner declaring that the Kop – the famous football stand at Liverpool’s Anfield stadium – believed Israel should be booted out of international sport.

    It was not that he lacked confidence in the rightness of the cause or was struggling with the weight of the banner on a bright sunny day in Cardiff. “I’m a Manchester United fan,” he said. “I’ve never held a Liverpool banner before and never will again. But this is such an important cause, you have to put aside the usual loyalties.”

    Mormech was one of hundreds of football fans who had travelled to the Welsh capital not to find out if the national team would reach a major tournament for the first time since 1958, but to protest against their opponents, Israel, and show solidarity with the Palestinian people.

    Ahead of kick-off they marched through the city centre to a recreation ground close to Cardiff City Stadium, where Wales were to play Israel in a vital Euro 2016 qualifier.

    Mormech, who is from Manchester, said he had worked as a teacher in Gaza and had witnessed the suffering of the people there. He said all aspects of life in Palestine, including sport, were affected by the “illegal occupation”. …”

    great pics @ http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/06/protestors-greet-israel-in-cardiff-ahead-of-euro-2016-match-with-wales

    Match ends in a draw.

  33. talknic
    talknic
    September 7, 2015, 11:37 am

    It hasn’t stopped

    Now @ 105,682 https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105446

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      September 8, 2015, 12:47 am

      Seems to be increasing now at a faster rate than it did when it was first launched and it was pretty quick then. At this rate 120,000 is not out of the question by tomorrow.

  34. John O
    John O
    September 7, 2015, 4:57 pm

    Letter published in The Guardian 8 September:

    “This week, David Cameron is due to welcome the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, to the UK. As head of government, Netanyahu must bear responsibility for war crimes identified by the UN human rights council in its investigation into Israel’s 2014 assault on Gaza. And yet, while Cameron continues to impose limits on the number of refugees who can take shelter in the UK, he is willing to welcome Netanyahu to our shores. …”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/netanyahu-deserves-sanctions-not-a-welcome-to-the-uk-say-union-leaders-and-others

    • Rodneywatts
      Rodneywatts
      September 7, 2015, 6:35 pm

      An impressive list of signatories John. Hopefully the campaign will continue to grow. I see the petition is at 106,572.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      September 7, 2015, 6:44 pm

      Great letter.
      Can’t state it better than that.

      • John O
        John O
        September 9, 2015, 12:38 pm

        Here are the two letters published in today’s Guardian in reply to the one I linked to above:

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/08/israels-important-role-in-the-middle-east

        Frankly, if that’s the best the pro-Israel camp can come up with, then the country is on notice to quit.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        September 9, 2015, 7:53 pm

        “…pray for David Cameron…”
        That’ll get ’em there.

        Both letters are non-responses.

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        September 9, 2015, 10:15 pm

        John O, you have to wonder why the Jewish Leadership Council doesn’t start its own petition to welcome Netanyahu as a shining examplar of democracy and peace in the Middle East and see how many signatures it gets. My guess is it wouldn’t hit 5000.

        Or anyone who wants to make that point of comparison.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        September 9, 2015, 11:01 pm

        Fantastic idea!

      • Rodneywatts
        Rodneywatts
        September 10, 2015, 10:46 am

        @John O @CigarGod @ ritzl
        All your comments +1
        As a long time ex Christian zionist, I am sad that John Hagee has managed to get himself a British poodle in the name of Des Starritt , executive director, CUFI -UK who manges to write, in all sincerity:
        ” Israel supports freedom of religion whereas Christians in other parts the Middle East are among the most persecuted people on Earth. In Israel, Jews, Christians and Muslims coexist and have equal rights. We should applaud Israel for this religious freedom. ”

        How woefully ignorant! — when Haaretz has reported in just days prior to Des Skarritt’s letter the fact that Christian schools, supported by the Muslim community at large are strking because of being denied funding on an equal basis as state/Jewish schools:
        http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.674249 and http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.674820

        The mentioning of the Syrian and other refugees in the way he does, also shows total ignorance or deliberate denial of the fact that Israel was significantly behind the false intel. of Saddam having WMD which persuaded the US, and then the UK to invade Iraq, thus causing the cascade of troubles in the ME.

  35. Rodneywatts
    Rodneywatts
    September 9, 2015, 6:09 am

    This YouGov survey wrt to labour leadership campaign and the characteristics of the different groups of supporters is very interesting– I wonder how the results tally with MW readership?
    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/08/27/you-may-say-im-dreamer-inside-mindset-jeremy-corby/

  36. just
    just
    September 9, 2015, 7:58 am

    Have a great time @ the protest, bintbiba!

    Hope everybody stays safe in solidarity!!!

    “The British must formally – and swiftly – recognise Palestine as a sovereign state”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/british-palestine-sovereign-state-netanyahu-israel#comment-59104138

    • Rodneywatts
      Rodneywatts
      September 9, 2015, 9:22 am

      +1 Just — am thinking of you too bintbiba from Co Durham –and all the rest of you stalwarts.

      Hopefully it will be many more than just the guardian that will cover the protest. I’ve picked up a couple of tweets appreciating the Jewish presence in the protest. Of course there is the other lot too, suffering ziomania.

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        September 9, 2015, 11:58 am

        Thinking of Bintbiba and all the others at the demonstration. Wish I could be there.

        Froggy, writing from the coast of Brittany, France

  37. bintbiba
    bintbiba
    September 9, 2015, 3:43 pm

    Thank you Just, Froggy, Rodneywatts, Bumblebye, RoHa ,

    I was there with my 2 ‘buddies’ … It was a huge crowd, very noisy and shouty. I thought of all of you. There were dozens and dozens of Police , of course , but it was peaceful. We did lots of shouting and Free Free Palestine and many other yells after the megaphone leaders.
    There was a group of Naturei Karta (8) Rabbis carrying Palestinian flags and standing on our side of the street , carrying placards .

    RT spoke about it and showed the crowd.. At least 1500 (if not more) …and the Israreli side must have been 450 approx. I couldn’t tell as we were separated by a large paved area .

    Newsweek and The Guardian wrote about it as well , yet the latter played down the numbers,for some reason!

    • Froggy
      Froggy
      September 9, 2015, 4:15 pm

      Ah… but Algemeiner’s headline describes it as such:
      Antisemitism, Terror Support Rampant at Anti-Netanyahu Protests in London

      LOL

      I’m very happy it went well.

    • MHughes976
      MHughes976
      September 9, 2015, 4:50 pm

      I was there too! We easily outnumbered the counterdemonstrators. I got talking to someone who turned out to belong to a Jewish group on our side of the barrier, who tuned out to be a Mondoweiss reader. He made the perceptive remark that there had been a kind of news blackout. There was certainly little evidence of television cameras and little hint of support from any large organisations such as trade unions. It was indeed a large and boisterous crowd, with all kinds of people and an encouraging age range. Still, I rather felt that we were un-persons attending an un-event. But they can’t really wish us away by closing their eyes.

      • Rodneywatts
        Rodneywatts
        September 9, 2015, 6:48 pm

        Glad you made it , MHughes976, along with bintbiba and to confirm that there were considerably more anti-Netanyahu demonstrators than pro. Yes, it’s a bit disappointing about media coverage but you are probably doing yourself down unnecessarily. There were undoubtedly people watching who will be reporting back to some government official or other. Glad that you met up with another MW reader. As reported elsewhere the zionist monolith aint what it used to be.

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        September 10, 2015, 5:46 am

        MHughes976 : “Still, I rather felt that we were un-persons attending an un-event.”

        Not quite.

        http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/arrests-downing-street-protest-calling-6412524

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        September 10, 2015, 4:08 pm

        Not quite. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/arrests-downing-street-protest-calling-6412524

        The Mirror report says “We recognise that the conflict in Gaza last year took a terrible toll.

        “However the prime minister was clear on the UK’s recognition of Israel’s right to take proportionate action to defend itself, within the boundaries of international humanitarian law.”

        He also had the UK government’s representative endorse a UN HRC report, which concluded that Israel had exceeded those lawful boundaries and that criminal accountability must be ensured. Cameron himself described the Gaza Strip as a “prison camp”. The UK is also a party to the 1st Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions. Among other things, it applies to armed conflicts in which peoples are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist régimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations. It prohibits the use of starvation as a mode of warfare and makes the unreasonable delay in repatriating the 1.2 million refugees living in the prison camps of Gaza a war crime.

        In any event, the petition doesn’t explicitly mention Gaza. Neither the Palestinian criminal complaints on the subject nor the UN reports about the scope of Israeli crimes are limited to only those crimes that have been committed in Gaza.

        It doesn’t require a vast expenditure of time or effort to locate prima facie video evidence on Youtube of the current Prime Minister of Israel and members of his party list standing on territory illegally annexed to Israel (Har Homa) after the Six Day War bragging about the on-going crimes he and his government have been instrumental in committing there and elsewhere beyond the armistice lines since his first term in office. He went out of his way to explain that there will be no Palestinian State or political solution during his term as head of state. It is also trivially easy to find videos of him explaining how he “put an end to the Oslo Accords.”

        Israel is a party to the armistice agreements that were concluded under the auspices of Article 40, Chapter 7 of the UN Charter. See UN SC resolutions 62 and 73. The Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations says: “Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.”

        It is no secret that the 10th Emergency Special Session of the UN General Assembly was convened to take up that same Har Homa settlement as a situation of extreme on-going concern to the international community of states. The General Assembly called for a Reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions and obtained an ICJ advisory opinion. Both of those international bodies concluded, among other things, that Israel had established settlements illegally in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem. At the same time, both Palestine and Jordan filed written statements with the Court complaining that Israel had committed violations of the Rome Statute on territory subject to their jurisdiction.

        The Court’s advisory opinion also noted (e.g. para. 145, 158, & 159) that, under the terms of the Fourth Geneva Convention, Israel and the other High Contracting Parties are under an obligation to search for and bring before their courts persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be committed, grave breaches of international humanitarian law flowing from the planning, construction and use of the wall.” In July of this year, the EU condemned the decision of the Israeli Supreme Court to permit the Netanyahu regime to construct a section of the Separation Barrier through the Cremisan Valley, restricting the access of 58 families from their agricultural land and profoundly affecting their livelihoods.

        While the UK statutes were subsequently amended to make it more difficult for private individuals or NGOs to obtain arrest warrants against foreign officials, that doesn’t explain the UK’s refusal to take action on hundreds of criminal complaints made by other High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions or other State Parties to the Rome Statute, e.g.

        This letter is in follow-up to our previous 450 letters regarding the ongoing crisis in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, since 28 September 2000. These letters, dated from 29 September 2000 (A/55/432-S/2000/921) to 15 January 2013 (A/ES-10/577-S/2012/23), constitute a basic record of the crimes being committed by Israel, the occupying Power, against the Palestinian people since September 2000. For all of these war crimes, acts of State terrorism and systematic human rights violations committed against the Palestinian people, Israel, the occupying Power, must be held accountable and the perpetrators must be brought to justice. I should be grateful if you would arrange to have the text of the present letter distributed as a document of the tenth emergency special session of the General Assembly, under agenda item 5, and of the Security Council. (Signed) Riyad Mansour Ambassador Permanent Observer of the State of Palestine to the United Nations http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2013/32

        In 1966-67 Israel was condemned by the Security Council for invading the West Bank of Jordan. It also shot down four Syrian aircraft, including one flying over Damascus. Nonetheless, when Nasser responded by threatening to blockade the Straits of Tiran, until Israel had agreed to respect the status quo under the terms of the armistice agreements, the UK accepted the proposition that Israel was justified in initiating a war.

        Despite the fact that Gaza has been turned into a nearly uninhabitable concentration camp for a suffering multitude of criminally displaced persons under a full-blown military siege, Cameron still refuses to permit the victims or victim state access to the UK courts. So, he has fully justified those Palestinian and other militant groups who have claimed all along that there is no other alternative, except taking the law into their own hands.

        It’s a shame the Parliament won’t debate that situation.

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        September 10, 2015, 6:40 pm

        Thank you for the concise history.

        “Despite the fact that Gaza has been turned into a nearly uninhabitable concentration camp for a suffering multitude of criminally displaced persons under a full-blown military siege, Cameron still refuses to permit the victims or victim state access to the UK courts. So, he has fully justified those Palestinian and other militant groups who have claimed all along that there is no other alternative, except taking the law into their own hands.”

        Like you I see no alternative for the Palestinians.

        Cameron is a criminal, as were Blair and those before him. Add to that the Americans and the rest of the countries, along with those institutions of ‘justice’ that turn their backs on oppression, murder and ethnic cleansing.

        Hostage, this is why we are here on Mondoweiss, and on so many other blogs that deal with the issue. Our governments and institutions will not change until public opinion changes. Public opinion won’t change until ordinary individuals come to understand what is really happening in Palestine and the Middle East and the part our countries have played and continue to play in the ongoing destabilisation of the region.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 10, 2015, 7:13 pm

        Thanks, Hostage.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        September 10, 2015, 7:48 pm

        Our governments and institutions will not change until public opinion changes. Public opinion won’t change until ordinary individuals come to understand what is really happening in Palestine and the Middle East and the part our countries have played and continue to play in the ongoing destabilisation of the region.

        But that begs the central question. The number of UK nationals required to trigger a debate has already been surpassed. I’m certain that I don’t need to explain to bintbiba, MHughes976, or Rodneywatts that they should be demanding an explanation from their MPs about this bizarre situation. Let’s recap it:

        The UK ratified the Rome Statute, which devotes an entire article (Art. 27) to the subject of the “Irrelevance of Official Capacity”, It also stipulates that “No reservations may be made to this Statute” (Article 120).

        The UK adopted enabling legislation, which implemented the terms of the Rome Statute. The Parliament subsequently debated and adopted amendments, based upon complaints lodged by alleged Israeli war criminals, which have made it more difficult for private individuals and NGOs to obtain arrest warrants in the UK.

        The International Criminal Tribunals have repeatedly affirmed that there exists in international law a universally recognized principle that any attempt to excuse non-fulfillment of an international obligation on the basis of municipal law constitutes a breach of those international obligations. See for example André Klip, Göran Sluiter, Annotated leading cases of International Criminal Tribunals: The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia 1997-1999, Intersentia NV, 2001, page 134 https://books.google.com/books?id=kwR88-rsWaoC&lpg=PA137&ots=yHOMdQ1T4I&pg=PA137#v=onepage&q&f=false and The Development of International Law by the International Court, Hersch Lauterpacht (ed), Cambridge University Press, 1982, page page 262 https://books.google.com/books?id=piU8AAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA261&ots=Og6Yhjh177&pg=PA262#v=onepage&q&f=false

        Why is it true, that the Parliament CAN debate a violation of the UK’s international obligations and the relevant international laws on behalf of Diskin, Livni, Barak, Olmert, Mofaz, Netanyahu, et al, while it purportedly CANNOT debate the repeal of those self-same amendments to its own laws in order to restore respect for the provisions of the international criminal laws, which apply to heads of state? After all, 106,000+ of its own citizens have demand that their Parliament take-up the question

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        September 10, 2015, 9:57 pm

        Hostage :

        With respect, you have become entangled in the web of what I call ‘shoulds and oughts’.

        You are right, of course. You know how things ‘should’ go; how they ‘ought’ to go. There are laws, and rules, after all. But, as you point out, things don’t go as they should.

        “Why is it true, that the Parliament CAN debate a violation of the UK’s international obligations and the relevant international laws on behalf of Diskin, Livni, Barak, Olmert, Mofaz, Netanyahu, et al, while it purportedly CANNOT debate the repeal of those self-same amendments to its own laws in order to restore respect for the provisions of the international criminal laws, which apply to heads of state? After all, 106,000+ of its own citizens have demand that their Parliament take-up the question”

        To be blunt: That happens because not enough people give a good goddamn what happens to the Palestinians. That is what we have to change. Only then will our governments — as a dual citizen I have two governments, after all — adhere to those rules and laws that they should have been obeying all along.

        *Cameron’s government sees 1,500 noisy demonstrators as a temporary PITA.
        *The same government sees 106,000+ names on a petition as something that can be mollified with some empty rhetoric, and then ignored.
        *It will take large enough numbers of aware and concerned citizens, sufficient in numbers to swing an election, to catch the attention of our criminal politicians.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        September 10, 2015, 11:20 pm

        Hostage : With respect, you have become entangled in the web of what I call ‘shoulds and oughts’.

        Not at all, I’ve been reading the declassified government cabinet papers of the US/UK/Israeli administrations for way too many years to harbor any illusions on that account or about what’s going on in this case. I’m simply saying we should “strike while the iron is still hot”.

        There are almost certainly more than a few MPs who are willing to bring this subject up during Question Time. After all, the House of Commons voted in favor of recognizing Palestine as a State and the threshold for these petitions is established high enough to prevent any from succeeding that don’t have broad enough public support.

        The right of the people to petition the Government for a redress of grievances can be traced all the way back to Article 61 of the Magna Carta (1215). People in the UK should ask their MPs to question the government on this issue early and often.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        September 10, 2015, 11:40 pm

        Exactly right.
        When a door opens you must walk thru it. If you don’t do so while you have their attention it will close and you will have to start over again…to gather the energy to push it open again. If you can keep walking thru doors as soon as they open, you can pick up speed and walk thru a series of them, while the opposition is back on their heels.

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        September 11, 2015, 8:01 am

        CigarGod : I agree with you. I also agree with Hostage wrt those ‘shoulds and oughts’.

        Our politicians, judges and others in authority SHOULD follow through as Hostage described so well in previous messages in this thread, and those ‘doors’ should open. Sadly (and fristratingly), they just don’t.

        Totally OT : Didn’t I know you from HuffPo?

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        September 11, 2015, 11:04 am

        Yes, Froggy. A few years ago on Huffpo. We tore it up over there, didn’t we? Then they sold and the nitwits invaded. I think I heard a time or two, someone had assumed my identity over there since. A zio-troll of some kind maybe?

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 9, 2015, 11:19 pm

      Thanks for the reports, bintbiba and MHughes, and kudos for attending.

      Keep pushing for a debate, even though they pretend it can’t be done.

      And try to get another for the sanctions petition.

      https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/106751

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        September 10, 2015, 11:00 am

        Yes, Froggy, that was a bit consoling. And I’ll attend to the sanctions petition!

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        September 10, 2015, 3:10 pm

        It takes time, my friend. Sad as it is, because people ate suffering and dying. But that’s the way iof it.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        September 10, 2015, 11:58 am

        I think that the number of both groups of demonstrators was about halved in the report.

      • LA PLAYA
        LA PLAYA
        September 11, 2015, 1:56 pm

        I was also at the London demonstration: to express solidarity with Palestine, and protest Netanyahu, the ‘Gauleiter of Gaza,’ who murdered thousands – including 500 children – last year.

        I would estimate the crowds at the Downing Street demonstration to be 2,000 for Palestine, with about 400 Zionists/Likud supporters showing up, and kept corralled in their own patch by police. I would rate the UK police as firm but fair.

        Considering it was a Wednesday (workweek) morning, it was a good turnout for Palestine. I also signed the UK petition: encourage our MPs to debate this in the House of Commons.

        Good to note that other Mondoweiss commentators/readers were there!

  38. just
    just
    September 9, 2015, 8:59 pm

    Glad that you’re all safe and sound!

    Here’s some photos and a video via RT:

    “Pro- and anti-Israel activists clash over Netanyahu visit (VIDEO)”

    http://www.rt.com/uk/314836-israel-palestine-netanyahu-clashes/

    (The caption under the next to last picture is so terribly inaccurate… it’s blatant ageism)

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      September 9, 2015, 9:37 pm

      “…two old women…”?
      I suspect a non-native english speaker wrote/translated.

  39. b.grand
    b.grand
    September 9, 2015, 11:48 pm

    The U.S petition has been started — PLEASE SHARE !

    Netanyahu is to hold talks in New York this month. Under international law he should be arrested for war crimes.
    http://linkis.com/whitehouse.gov/7Ik2S

    This is an official White House petition. If you’ve never signed one, this is a good place to start.
    100,000 sigs. – WITHIN ONE MONTH — gets a WH response.

    • Froggy
      Froggy
      September 12, 2015, 8:08 am

      If Labour can re-take Scotland from the SNP, they might have a chance.

      “He is a member of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, regularly campaigning against conflict in Gaza and what the organisation considers to be Apartheid in Israel.[64]”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

      From my keyboard to God’s sight.

    • straightline
      straightline
      September 12, 2015, 8:32 am

      Great news!

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      September 12, 2015, 12:17 pm

      Good for the UK. I read his bio too, and came away with the impression he will stand up for human rights violations, especially apartheid policies.

      If only we had politicians of such standing here. Our policies were born with no spine, and heavily dosed with ziocane.

      • b.grand
        b.grand
        September 12, 2015, 1:13 pm

        ARREST NETANYAHU –in the US- for WAR CRIMES

        https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/netanyahu-hold-talks-new-york-month-under-international-law-he-should-be-arrested-war-crimes

        Given all the enthusiasm here at MW about the Brits’ petition to arrest Netanyahu, I am wondering why there has been zero response here to my posting (Sept. 9, above) that there is now a similar petition here in the US.

        For these petitions to succeed, there has to be a concerted effort through Social Media. MW is a perfect platform to get the ball rolling. Without the encouragement of social leaders, there is tremendous apathy toward these petitions. Perhaps they are only a symbolic gesture, but for minimal time and no money, a successful effort (like in Britain) builds public awareness (and positive spirit for us).

        The advantage of the official White House petitions (as opposed to those of activist groups, who are mainly padding their mailing lists) is the promise of official recognition and response if the goal is met. Also, it will be archived in the public domain.

        100,000 is a hefty goal for one month. It takes effort, and the clock is ticking. We need momentum, and the kind of enthusiasm they had in Britain. I hope MW readers can pick up this banner.

        And yes, Bibi will be in NYC.
        http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/200486#.VfRWkk3D_IU
        “State Department Spokesman John Kirby said Tuesday night that Secretary of State John Kerry will meet with prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in the course of the United Nations General Assembly in New York in late September.”

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 12, 2015, 10:14 pm

        There are plenty of US citizens who read and comment on MW. I think the U.S. petition should get a headline story here.

        Phil, Annie, give it a write-up, and encourage people to sign.

      • annie
        annie
        September 13, 2015, 12:57 am

        yes i have been informed. it is an excellent idea! just like it was an awesome idea to initiate the UK petition. but note i didn’t write about it til it was near the end. however, check our about page. there is a submissions email. no one is stopping you from writing it RoHa, or anyone else for that matter. we’ll get around to it. it will start to get exciting around the first 10k signatures especially.

      • b.grand
        b.grand
        September 13, 2015, 2:50 pm

        Hey Annie,

        What’s up with the double standard? “Mondoweiss Editors” posted the story about Kanye West.

        There will not be 10K sigs. w/o some organized encouragement. When I wrote you a personal email 2 days ago, you could have replied with “check our about page. there is a submissions email” instead of your one-word reply, “Thanks”.

        We have been struggling to interpret the indifference.

        b.

      • annie
        annie
        September 13, 2015, 3:29 pm

        we who?

      • annie
        annie
        September 13, 2015, 4:12 pm

        i’m sorry if you think there’s a double standard going on here b.grande. the UK petition picked up somewhere around 40k+ signatures in the first 3 days of publication and got covered with lots of press after that happened. many many people sent me articles about it at that time. i decided to wait to cover it. two of the things that made it enhancing (imho), besides the initial incredible response of so many signatures, was that the gov stated they would respond to the petition after 10,000 signatures. the other factor was that after 100,000 it would be considered for debate in parliament. the petition for on the WH website offers neither of these things. that may have impacted the response, i’m not sure.

        i did sign the petition at the WH website. when we publish something under “mondoweiss editors” it generally means someone sent us a press release. the petition is one sentence, not a press release. there are not thousands of signatures in 3 days like the UK petition. it is not an article and it is not “news” per se, it is one sentence.

        when i wrote “thanks” that is what i meant at the time. it also means i will keep an eye on it because if it started garnering lots of signatures it would definitely be news (we try to cover news here vs merely an advocacy site). but we don’t publish everyones petitions on mondoweiss. this would require someone writing an article about the petition. when i saw roha’s comment that was the 2nd or 3rd time i had heard about the petition, therefore i responded differently.

        i just finished a long article about something else. i’m not really in the mood to write about the petition today given there’s no angle, news on it at all. if you’re relying on mondoweiss as your sole source of “organized encouragement” then you’ll just have to wait until i am in the mood to write about it. actually now that you’ve addressed me in this manner i would encourage you to contact a different editor at mondoweiss to formulate an article about your petition.

        however, if any news happens surrounding the petition — let me know.

        you are an anonymous person. your petition claims netanyahu is holding talks in “New york” this month. i can’t verify this information as it doesn’t appear to be reported anywhere. who is we first of all. who posted this petition? is the story:

        An anonymous person has posted a petition on the WH website stating:

        Benjamin Netanyahu to be arrested for war crimes when he arrives in New york

        Benjamin Netanyahu is to hold talks in New york this September. Under international law he should be arrested for war crimes upon arrival in the U.S for the massacre of over 2000 civilians in 2014

        Published Date: Sept 8

        So far it has over 1000 comments.

        i will tell you the same thing i told RoHA, write something and send it into submissions. excuse me for not responding more fully when you informed me of the petition by email. thanks for sending me the link.

      • b.grand
        b.grand
        September 13, 2015, 4:54 pm

        Annie,

        The petitions at whitehouse.gov are always anonymous. The “Creator” in this case is A.Z., privacy respected. I learned of this petition thru a tweet from a colleague.

        The “we” I refer to, (“We have been struggling to interpret the indifference.”) is me and my friends with whom I’ve been discussing this. You see, there have been several oddities surrounding my attempted posting of the petition here, such as my original comment of Sept. 9 not being posted until today.

        I can assure you, I am not depending on MW to publicize this. However, for obvious reasons, I believe it should be in the mix.

        “..different editor…” I’ve submitted an article via the about page, as you suggested.

        Strange you can’t find confirmation of Bibi’s planned trip to NY. I included a link to a quoted State Department statement in my comment yesterday.

        Anyway, thanks for clearing this up.
        Best,
        b.grand

        b.grand September 12, 2015 at 1:13 pm ARREST NETANYAHU –in the US- for WAR CRIMES link to petitions.whitehouse.gov Given all the enthusiasm here at MW about the Brits’ petition to arrest Netanyahu, I am wondering why there has been zero response here to my posting (Sept. 9, above) that there is now a similar petition here in the US. For these petitions to succeed, there has to be a concerted effort through Social Media. MW is a perfect platform to get the ball rolling. Without the encouragement of social leaders, there is tremendous apathy toward these petitions. Perhaps they are only a symbolic gesture, but for minimal time and no money, a successful effort (like in Britain) builds public awareness (and positive spirit for us). The advantage of the official White House petitions (as opposed to those of activist groups, who are mainly padding their mailing lists) is the promise of official recognition and response if the goal is met. Also, it will be archived in the public domain. 100,000 is a hefty goal for one month. It takes effort, and the clock is ticking. We need momentum, and the kind of enthusiasm they had in Britain. I hope MW readers can pick up this banner.

        And yes, Bibi will be in NYC. link to israelnationalnews.com “State Department Spokesman John Kirby said Tuesday night that Secretary of State John Kerry will meet with prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in the course of the United Nations General Assembly in New York in late September.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/b-grand#sthash.ZPvoLZKq.dpuf

        b.grand September 12, 2015 at 1:13 pm ARREST NETANYAHU –in the US- for WAR CRIMES link to petitions.whitehouse.gov Given all the enthusiasm here at MW about the Brits’ petition to arrest Netanyahu, I am wondering why there has been zero response here to my posting (Sept. 9, above) that there is now a similar petition here in the US. For these petitions to succeed, there has to be a concerted effort through Social Media. MW is a perfect platform to get the ball rolling. Without the encouragement of social leaders, there is tremendous apathy toward these petitions. Perhaps they are only a symbolic gesture, but for minimal time and no money, a successful effort (like in Britain) builds public awareness (and positive spirit for us). The advantage of the official White House petitions (as opposed to those of activist groups, who are mainly padding their mailing lists) is the promise of official recognition and response if the goal is met. Also, it will be archived in the public domain. 100,000 is a hefty goal for one month. It takes effort, and the clock is ticking. We need momentum, and the kind of enthusiasm they had in Britain. I hope MW readers can pick up this banner. And yes, Bibi will be in NYC. link to israelnationalnews.com “State Department Spokesman John Kirby said Tuesday night that Secretary of State John Kerry will meet with prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in the course of the United Nations General Assembly in New York in late September.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/b-grand#sthash.ZPvoLZKq.dpuf

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 13, 2015, 8:55 pm

        Something like this, Annie?

        AMERICANS! YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU!

        The Brits say you are “a bunch of useless tossers” because they have got 111,195 signatures on their petition, and there are only a few hundred on the American one.

        Are you going to stand for that?

        There are four times as many Americans as there are Brits, so there should be four times as many signatures on the U.S. petition.

        SIGN NOW,.

        And put those smug, tea-drinking, fairies in their place.

      • annie
        annie
        September 13, 2015, 9:00 pm

        lol, try it!

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        September 14, 2015, 4:38 am

        ROFL!!!

  40. b.grand
    b.grand
    September 13, 2015, 3:45 pm

    Is the “we who” directed at me?

    And what is the relevance of pasting that tweet?

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