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On Saturday, the New York Times changed its path. It published a superb account of the Palestinian experience in occupied East Jerusalem written by Jerusalem bureau chief Jodi Rudoren. Go read the story for yourself, but it sought to capture the Palestinian view of occupation, beginning with a 44-year-old lecturer at Hebrew University who “shares the frustration and alienation underlying this new uprising.”

Rudoren described Israel’s separation wall as “ugly.” She quoted a number of Palestinians. She observed: “For many of the 320,000 Arab residents, the violence is a consequence of years of feeling like the neglected stepchildren of both City Hall and the Palestinian Authority . . . ” She cited a poll showing that 61 percent of Palestinian Jerusalemites support “armed struggle” against Israel.

She cited the grotesque double standard in Israeli law enforcement when it comes to Palestinian attackers who lose their residency status and Jewish settler-killers for whom no such punishment was ever considered. She added tartly: “Nor were checkpoints established in their neighborhoods.” She cited Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat’s “boasts” about investments in East Jerusalem, implying that they are token investments.

The other remarkable thing about this remarkable article is that it unleashed a storm of criticism by Zionist Jews online and that Rudoren, who is also Jewish, countered the critics on her twitter feed.

The criticism includes a sustained attack on the New York Times from CAMERA that is longer than the original article:

How long can The New York Times cover up for Palestinian terrorists, omit material facts, and just generally get the story wrong about Israel?

And a twitter war on Rudoren, which you can find at her feed, @rudoren. Here are some excerpts, most of them it appears from American Jews:

Jubel Foster:

once again B’tselem provided a ready made story complete with maps & quotes. No mention in the article that they were the source


I did not speak to B’tselem for this article, or use any of its data.


Nice PLO propaganda, you neatly avoided the savage nature of the stabbings & blamed the victims!

Rudoren responded:

Really not. Second paragraph talks of stabbing in the back. But this piece was about the broader situation for EastJ Arabs


When the mayor answered your question, you dismissed his answer as “boasting”. Have you ever shown this skepticism to Mr. Abbas?


I’m very skeptical of Abbas and all leaders. But the “boasting” was about Barkat’s boasts over time, not response to my Q

Trainer Gloria:

To be fair, why don’t you write a 2nd article from an Israeli Jewish perspective. Your article is one-sided.


To be fair, read the entirety of our report over time. This article was about East J. Many others about Israeli Jews.

Gloria responded:

Jodi I just searched u and Kershner in NYtimes. I can’t find any articles sympathetic to Israel, only condemnation. Pls give a link


Too numerous. Use search on under my byline or Isabel Kershner, for starters.

Pam Ehrenkranz:

What’s next? Will you tell us of the frustration of the Oregon shooter? Murder is murder and terrorism is not excusable


Are you not interested in why people are shooting up campuses either? I am.

Gordon Owades, from Massachusetts, who declares Am Yisrael Chai (the people of Israel live):

I enjoyed this piece, @rudoren, and I mourned the death muhammad abu khdeir in ’14 [East Jerusalemite whose murder was mentioned in article], but I remember something precipitated it, do you?


Yes, we have written much about the kidnapping of 3 teenagers in WB and the connex between the two. As you likely know.

A rightwing religious Jew from NJ:

Serious Q: Did @nytimes @rudoren ever do a similar piece exploring life for Israeli Jews facing violence and murder?


Yes, piece last week on woman who survived Old City stabbing, piece last week on Israeli mood, many in previous rounds

A PR guy @goeljasper who promotes Israel in English from Jerusalem:

hey, @rudoren. If there is an “East” Jerusalem, as you so often write, can you please inform us all of what the borders of this “town” are?


Territory Israel captured in 1967 war and incorporated into Jerusalem municipal boundaries.

rebutantiIsrael, who is devoted to defending Israel online:

jodi @rudoren asked Niv Birkat what Israel has done for the residents of E. Jerusalem. Birkat answered her. Jodi accuses him of “bragging”.


I think I said boast, and I did not mean in response to my query, but in campaign and throughout my 3+ years covering

Ari Feldman:

In reference to your article regarding East Jerusalem, how did the 1967 war start? You never explained, and I want to learn more.

Rudoren also got critics from the left  — Helena Cobban and Ali Abunimah, who wrote, “You constantly claim ‘most of the world’ considers Jerusalem to be occupied. Can you list the countries which don’t?” — as well as some backup from Steve Inskeep of NPR and from Jareer Kassis, a Palestinian scientist and writer who works in the U.S.:

In a rare article of its kind, @rudoren describes life (such as it is) for Palestinians in East Jerusalem.

And Kassis is right about the pattern: New York Times coverage has tended to be from the perspective of Israelis. Rudoren lives in West Jerusalem, comes from a community familiar with the Zionist side, and has made prejudicial comments about Arabs on at least two occasions (here and here). This article shows a real extension of spirit; she goes out of her comfort zone to simply describe Palestinian conditions.

And you see what happens to her. She comes under huge pressure from her own community, the Jewish community, for daring to treat Palestinians as human beings, and she feels that she must be responsive to these critics. Because they have power, emotionally and politically.

When I was in the mainstream, I often felt that pressure.  People wrote to my editor at the New York Observer that I was a Holocaust denier, and he took them seriously, enough to ask me if that was the case, one of my oldest friends no less (!), before concluding that I was being “used” by Palestinians. The only phone call I ever got from one director of the Nation Institute when Adam and I were there was early one morning when a board member called him because some anonymous individual had complained about something we ran against Israel. In both cases I was under political pressure because of anti-Zionist views, and whether the pressurers were fair or not (they were lying bastards), they were effective; this site soon left the Observer and then the Nation Institute. This is what happens in the mainstream when a journalist speaks up for Palestinians; Zionist Jews are all over them. And the Jewish part is germane because that’s the most passionate component of the lobby in the U.S., and because a Jewish writer is subject to excommunication. A religious community that has blinded itself to the suffering of the other will turn on dissident members of that community with rage. At a J Street panel five years ago, Jonathan Chait told Matthew Yglesias that the Jewish community had to open up to critical voices, but not anti-Zionists like me, and Chait now spouts Zionism at a magazine that I used to work for that has never run an anti-Zionist article.

I doubt that Rudoren is headed for a dissident career. What she has done is to step outside the Israeli bubble and tried to convey Palestinian voices in an honest manner. She has performed that basic journalistic duty, of bearing witness — and then been subject to contumely she has to rebut. The pro-Israel Jewish community is empowered on this question, for historical reasons I understand, but it’s a distortion of democracy when these voices have so much influence, while Palestinians are always denied the permission to narrate. This conflict is now deeply polarized, and that conflict is coming to the U.S., because we are involved.

Let’s hope the Times editors back Rudoren up. That they support her in going out of the newspaper’s comfort zone, so that she provides the same service from villages in the West Bank, and Area A, and Gaza, too.


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  1. John O on October 19, 2015, 12:44 pm

    I have been rude about Rudoren on this site before, but this time she has my respect.

    • Amar on October 19, 2015, 12:57 pm

      I’ve seen some ‘moderate’ reporting from her before, but she can also flip-flop pretty quick.

      • Krauss on October 19, 2015, 1:35 pm

        The reason why we harp so much on her on this site is because she can be a brilliant journalist when she wants to. And secondly, she writes for the most influential newspaper in the world.

        But I agree: she does these periodical token articles once in a while and then reverts back to form. There was that superb coverage of a Gaza women artist she had a few months back, but if you compare it to the flood of out-and-out Israeli hasbara she fills in-between, these few gems pale in comparison.

        Fundamentally, the issue here isn’t Jodi Rudoren. The problem is structural. The owners of the NYT are Zionist Jews of the J Street ilk. Even if Rudoren broke out and truly became an even-handed reporter she would find herself demoted faster than an eye could blink. Being Jewish or not is not a protection from attacks from Zionists – in some cases it even makes it worse.

        Changing the ownership structure is also not an option, because our side have no money. But we do have passion, intellect and the youth. And that’s all that counts in the end.

      • philweiss on October 19, 2015, 2:01 pm

        Krauss the owners of the NYT were formerly anti-Zionist Jews.
        Somebody changed the water in the aquarium and they became Zionists. Why can’t we change the water again?

      • Sibiriak on October 19, 2015, 2:35 pm

        Krauss: But we do have passion, intellect and the youth.

        Yes! Especially youth!

        Krauss: Phil you’re on fire. I wish I’ll have as much energy as you have when I’m your age.

        What? Is Phil elderly?

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on October 19, 2015, 2:39 pm

        “The reason why we harp so much on her on this site is because she can be a brilliant journalist when she wants to. ”

        Brilliant? She’s very average at best.

      • lysias on October 19, 2015, 5:08 pm

        If the water in the aquarium was advertising by the New York department stores, I wonder if it can be changed.

      • wondering jew on October 19, 2015, 6:29 pm

        I suspect that the bias of the NYTimes is not based upon its ownership, but upon its readership or its advertising income.

      • Waterbuoy on October 21, 2015, 7:37 pm

        Many people, Jews and non Jews, of my acquaintance who have taken the opportunity (and perceived risk) to actually speak with and get to know some Palestinians who are living under occupation, have developed a new understanding; a new perspective.
        One would think that to be a great journalist… or even a good one… one would have to possess an inquiring and open mind.
        To write anything acknowledging Israel’s culpability for some of what’s happening takes courage.
        Is it too much to hope that Ms. Rudoren is ‘learning’? She has some courage.
        I wonder if she’s met Amira Hass.

    • weiss on October 20, 2015, 11:27 pm

      Me too…

      It looks like the “Wicked Witch of The East” has a conscience after all !

      And now she knows 1st hand what it is like to be vilified by her own tribe for speaking out.

      In a nutshell , just because we are members of the same tribe, doesn’t mean it’s ok to unconditionally support fellow tribe members who commit crimes against humanity.

      Enough is ENOUGH !!!!

  2. Scott on October 19, 2015, 12:58 pm

    Agree. When I opened my paper Saturday, couldn’t believe it. What happened to reliable stenographer? A journalist again.

  3. eljay on October 19, 2015, 12:58 pm

    I’m curious to know why she wrote this article and why the NYT published it. Is it a genuine step away from being a mouthpiece for Zio-supremacist propaganda, or is it just a bit of appeasement, a bit of PR to make her / her paper appear less biased / more “even-handed”?

    • Kris on October 19, 2015, 1:23 pm

      Even on NPR yesterday, the “news” coverage included a few glimpses of the Palestinian point of view.

      And here’s Normon Pollack, “Israel’s Defamation of Judaism: The Rape of the Palestinian People,” . From the article:

      Israel has come a long way since 1967 in the construction of an apartheid state and society with respect to the Palestinians, in truth, the proto-Nazification of policy and conduct in which the gas chamber has been replaced by the more protracted denial of life to the victims of an ethnocentric/racial ideology achieved through the degradation of a whole people: a faucet of inhumanity left running, where genocide is administered in drips rather than in a torrent. But even the latter holds, as now, as the misery and hopelessness sinks into the consciousness of the oppressed, almost as a conscious strategy of still more acute humiliation in the hope that signs of resistance will give pretext and excuse for a show of force and further clamping down.

      The bombardment of Gaza last summer, a replay of Guernica as a lengthier exercise in domination, artillery replacing the dive bomber, was merely an example of the stored-up hatred and contempt Israelis displayed toward the Palestinians, a twisted mindset crossing the line from punitiveness to outright psychosis as though squashing an ant hill. Israelis do not concede the humanity of their victims, and perhaps do not even see them as victims but mere objects to be pushed around and, as a useful object lesson to them, swept aside, their houses bulldozed, their land taken away, the science of humiliation raised to a fine art. I turn now to the New York Times article by Jodi Rudoren, “East Jerusalem, Bubbling Over With Despair,” Oct. 18, a more sympathetic account of the Palestinians’ plight than is the wont of The Times, and therefore to be taken seriously given the usual partiality of the paper.

      Here is Pollack’s response online to Rudoren’s article:

      As a Jew, I am deeply ashamed of Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians. Israel is a horrible corruption of Judaism, a world religion identified before the 1960s with a deeply penetrating HUMANISM that was reflected in knowledge, observance, music, the arts in general, scientific learning and mathematics, and liberal politics. Now, so much of that rich heritage is gone, insulted by the actions, condescension, ethos of contemporary Israel, and infecting all of world Jewry.

      Israelis have shown themselves beyond cruelty, an internalization of the very darkness that resulted in the Holocaust, only now it is the Palestinians of today who are the Jews of yesterday and the Israelis of today who show the arrogance of those who formerly persecuted the Jews. Israelis gleefully show their muscle at every turn, delighting in the humiliation of the Palestinians and not realizing how this not only violates the teachings of Torah but reveals the inner evil and psychological rot of those who dominate.

      How sticks and stones, even knives, can be taken as other than marks of desperation, as meanwhile Israeli security forces have the latest, most lethal weapons, and are prepared to use them as a reflex action, shows the gross imbalance of force. How did it come to this? As a youth growing up in the 1940s-50s I saw Israel as the paragon of democratic socialism (even then I was unaware of the the start of ethnic cleansing and contempt for the Palestinians). Far worse today.

      As a Jew, Pollack can get away with stating the obvious:

      “Israelis have shown themselves beyond cruelty, an internalization of the very darkness that resulted in the Holocaust, only now it is the Palestinians of today who are the Jews of yesterday and the Israelis of today who show the arrogance of those who formerly persecuted the Jews.”

  4. Mooser on October 19, 2015, 1:08 pm

    Gonna be interesting to see where she goes from here. Unless she was just indulging in some radical chic.

  5. diasp0ra on October 19, 2015, 1:18 pm

    Wait, Zionists think the NYT is biased AGAINST them?


    • Maximus Decimus Meridius on October 19, 2015, 1:22 pm

      But don’t you know?

      The whole world hates the Jews…..

    • Donald on October 19, 2015, 2:20 pm

      “Wait, Zionists think the NYT is biased AGAINST them?”

      Yeah, funny as it sounds, they definitely do. Any piece that is anything less than 100 percent supportive of Israel is seen as bias. The NYT reporters and editors no doubt think that the pro-Palestinian side is just as delusional, but that’s wrong. I have no problem with stories reporting the Israeli point of view (or multiple points of view). I just wish they did at least as many that reported the Palestinian viewpoint(s).

      And they should report what B’Tselem and other human rights groups say as well.

      • italian ex-pat on October 19, 2015, 6:04 pm

        As a regular reader of the NYT, I can assure you that the Jewish/Zionist readers are absolutely convinced the paper’s writers are anti-Semitic. Can you say ‘paranoia’? And if you think the readers condemning Rudoren are biased, you should check out today’s comments to an op-ed by Nathan Thrall – full of venom, just because the man had the nerve to explain that the reason for the recent acts of Palestinians’ violence against Israeli Jews is that being peaceful and obedient hasn’t gotten them anywhere, on the contrary, it has made the Israeli government and the settlers even bolder. They condemn that as justifying violence, which in a way it is, being the only alternative available to fight the occupation.
        What they seem to forget are all the pro-Israel articles being published most of the time – but of course, no two-sided argument allowed. Kudos to the NYT, I hope this signals a new trend.

    • Bumblebye on October 19, 2015, 5:48 pm

      An ad was due to appear on the same day as the Rudoren article, complaining about the supposed pro-Palestinian bias of the NYT. It is the work of fb character ‘Pop Chassid’, supported by StandWithUs. There is even a web page, up and running once the ad went in, detailing the only victims who matter:

  6. Maximus Decimus Meridius on October 19, 2015, 1:21 pm

    “To be fair, why don’t you write a 2nd article from an Israeli Jewish perspective. ”

    Oh ha ha! Seriously, that one made me laugh out loud. Pretty much every single article Rudoren writes is done entirely from “an Israeli Jewish perspective.” Same with almost all of the mainstream media.

    Are these people stupid, or are they just so wrapped up in the ” Israeli Jewish perspective” that they can’t handle even the slightest deviation? While you can’t rule out the former, the latter seems more accurate to me. Anything which even slightly humanises Palestinians is a no-no, because it flies in the face of the ”Jewish victimhood” narrative. This is why outlets like the NYT, Guardian or BBC get accused of being ”anti-Israel”, when anyone even half way sentient can tell the opposite is true. Like I said on another post, when you feel the world owes you something, nothing is ever enough for you.

  7. spokelse on October 19, 2015, 1:33 pm

    the “up close and personal” was good, but there was still, per the usual, very little about the larger colonial settler context that fuels this whole mess. The massive push-back from the “pro Israel/Hasbara” crowd is to be expected as a way to condition reporters to their “proper” role in the corporate media.

  8. Kay24 on October 19, 2015, 1:33 pm

    Rudoren has stepped out of the dark side. It may be just a temporary event, or a lapse on her part. Let’s see how long she will stay honest and do what a real journalist does.

  9. ckg on October 19, 2015, 1:34 pm

    The first copy of the NYT article has this paragraph:

    Israel officially offers citizenship to all Jerusalem Palestinians, but a tiny fraction apply. Residency provides parallel benefits, except the right to vote in national elections. (With 37 percent of Jerusalem’s population, Palestinians could wield influence in local balloting, but they boycott to avoid endorsing Israel’s sovereignty.)

    But either Rudoren or the NYT editors have removed the last two sentences, leaving only the first.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius on October 19, 2015, 2:02 pm

      Interesting. I had not heard of that website. Thanks for linking to it.

    • tree on October 19, 2015, 3:09 pm

      Yes, quite interesting in comparing the editions. Thanks. The NY Times already appears to have softened the article by eliminating words and sentences here and there which reflect the predicament and sentiments of the Palestinian East Jerusalemites.

      As for the 3 sentence paragraph you mention, the 2nd one (since eliminated) is probably the most accurate, although even that one is not entirely accurate.

      The first is incorrect because Israel only offers the right to apply for citizenship, not the right to guaranteed citizenship itself, to resident East Jerusalemites. As I have mentioned elsewhere, two thirds of the Palestinian East Jerusalemite applications for citizenship are denied by Israel.

      And although residency does entitle them to similar social service benefits, their residency can be revoked for failing to maintain Jerusalem as the their “center of life”, including attending higher education overseas for 7 years, or maintaining a residence in other parts of the West Bank, even if it is just outside the municipal border. When Israel illegally annexed East Jerusalem, they expanded the borders 10 fold, but sliced the territory in such a way that West Bank village agricultural land was annexed, but the village itself was not, creating a larger Jerusalem at the expense of the Palestinians without having to give those so harmed any rights of residency.

      Also, residency was only granted to Palestinians who were present in East Jerusalem on the date at which Israel conducted their census. Anyone outside of the area, even for that one time, were denied residency rights. Residents must meet certain conditions to pass their residency on to their children, and a West Banker marrying an East Jerusalemite does not gain residency rights him/herself, but must apply for “family reunification”, which is a long and difficult process. Otherwise they have no right to live with their East Jerusalem spouse, according to Israeli law.

      And as for the 3rd (since removed) sentence, while voting in municipal elections might gain the Palestinian East Jerusalemites some municipal influence, in the larger picture, budgets are set at the national level and would counteract any possible municipal gains.

      • Boomer on October 19, 2015, 3:50 pm

        thanks, tree, for the vital factual details. Gotta know the fine print. Even the flawed attempt at facts and fairness was too much for someone at NYT, evidently.

      • ckg on October 19, 2015, 10:14 pm

        Thanks, tree. I thought the same about the “softening”.

      • ckg on October 19, 2015, 11:32 pm

        Last year I heard Rashid Khalidi, an historian living in NY, explain that the first copy of the NYT is published on paper and delivered to an ethnic local market, whereas the revisions are published online for a more cosmopolitan global market.

        But here is an example of a revision becoming more narrow in view, perhaps because of pressure.

  10. bryan on October 19, 2015, 1:50 pm

    Indeed, a relatively honest piece of reporting, for once, but when a journalist does attempt to portray a reasonably sympathetic account there is a firestorm of hostility from noisy, opinionated New York Zionists, that goes a long way to demonstrate why such evenhandedness is so remarkably rare.

    Not perfect by any means: there is no context provided to account for the “too few classrooms, and too many dropouts” in Arab East Jerusalem, and the “overflowing trash bins” that are testimony to systematic infrastructure investment. There is understatement, for instance that it is “difficult” (rather than virtually impossible) “to get a permit to enlarge a home”.

    But at least there are more Palestinians cited than apologists, there is some recognition of the source of the problems: fears of an Israeli takeover of the “contested” holy site in the old city, “the discrimination that’s practised against you”, the adverse “impact of the concrete barrier”, “the widely considered illegal settlements”, and most notably the recognition that recent Palestinian violence has been reactive to Jewish violence (“East Jerusalem has been a hotbed since July 2014, when Jewish extremists kidnapped and murdered Muhammad Abu Khdeir, a 16-year-old from the Shuafat neighborhood.”) – even though of course stronger language could have been used (“was immolated alive” – rather than simply the more anodyne “murdered”).

    So one-and-a -half cheers for NYT journalism, though thank you, Mondoweiss, for highlighting why such decent coverage is the exception rather than the rule: the problem of course is not the Palestinians but the Grovers, Hophmis and Jackdaws who attempt to dictate the narrative.

  11. amigo on October 19, 2015, 2:09 pm

    I can see why the zionists are so perplexed.All those heretofore hidden facts gracing the pages of “their ” New York Times .All that effort , not to mention financial support gone up in smoke.

    References to Occupied East Jerusalem annexed by Israel and not recognized by the International community because it is outside Israel,s official borders.

    Wow , talk about being stabbed.Poor dears.

    As one of your detractors , I have to say , well done and wonder how it feels to walk a few inches in the shoes of those other self hating Jews , Amira Haas and Gideon Levy.

  12. ckg on October 19, 2015, 2:46 pm

    Well this didn’t take long: The NYT has posted an article titled, “Soul-Searching in Israel After Mob Attack”. Long time readers of the NYT know very well how Israel engages in “soul-searching” after many high-profile atrocities whereas it is never reported that Palestinians engage in self-reflection. We must therefore assume only one people have souls to search.

  13. Boomer on October 19, 2015, 2:51 pm

    “A . . . community that has blinded itself to the suffering of the other . . . .”

    That is the tragic heart of the matter. The primary victims of that blindness are the Palestinians, of course, but in a moral sense the perpetrators are also victims of their own actions. What has been done can’t be undone, but can’t someone find a way to avoid compounding the problem?

    Years ago I met some well-meaning liberal Jewish activists whose plan for doing that was “dialog, conversation, communication” with the Other, i.e., with the few Palestinians they could find to meet with. I admired much about them, but ultimately concluded that conversations in a gentrified neighborhood in a big American city were an ineffectual means to deal with the urgent problem.

    The threat of UN sanctions seemed more promising to me, if only the U.S. would permit that. But the iron triangle of Jewish Zionist influence, “useful idiot” Christian Zionists, and the military industrial complex, in conjunction with venal politicians, precludes that. Perhaps conversation remains the only available path to empathy. Let’s hope that Jodi, and the NYT, and others, continue to explore that option.

    I was reminded of those earnest young activists of years ago by Diane Rehm’s discussion today with Sherry Turkle. Among other things, the discussion touches on the importance of conversation as the predicate for empathy.

  14. Kay24 on October 19, 2015, 3:27 pm

    It will be interesting to know how the Canadian elections go. Harper has been yet another zionist pawn, and is a devoted supporter of the zionists. If Harper loses the election the zionists will have a huge loss. Hopefully the next PM will have the spine to stand up to zionist demands.

    • just on October 19, 2015, 10:49 pm

      Harper’s toast!!!

      “Liberals Set to Win Canadian Election, Ousting Harper

      TV projections indicate a landslide for Justin Trudeau, signaling an end to almost a decade of Conservative rule.

      … At the Conservative election headquarters in Calgary, where Harper is due to speak later, supporters sat quietly, staring at giant TV screens reporting results.

      While the final vote count was not yet complete, the early results suggested the center-left Liberals could even win a majority of Parliament’s 338 seats.

      The win marks a swing toward a more multilateral approach in global politics by the Canadian government, which has distanced itself from the United Nations in recent years.

      Trudeau has said he will repair Canada’s cool relations with the Obama administration, withdraw Canada from the combat mission against Islamic State militants in favor of humanitarian aid, and tackle climate change. …”

      read more:

      Haaretz twitter headline: “Canadian TV calls election, giving Liberals landslide win over Netanyahu-ally Harper’s Conservatives”

      YAY Canada!

      • oldgeezer on October 19, 2015, 11:12 pm

        It is a step in the right direction. Harper was an embarrassment from the get go but Chretien corruption buried the liberals very deeply.

        I am celebrating the Trudeau win and hope he will bring some balance back to Canada in international affairs. Harper subservience truly made me ashamed of my government. I don’t see a major movement on that front but perhaps a more just balance.

      • Sibiriak on October 19, 2015, 11:51 pm

        Regarding the Canadian election:

        “But Harper’s use in his campaign of the issue of the niqab, which became one of the season’s highest-profile talking points, may have cost the NDP [“left-wing”New Democratic party] their lead after Tom Mulcair refused to compromise his position.

        ” Faced with the prospect of losing votes in Quebec, Tom Mulcair is digging in on his position that women should have a right to wear a veil at citizenship ceremonies.”

      • just on October 20, 2015, 12:11 am

        Congratulations, oldgeezer! It’s thrilling news.

        In other news, 2 Zioshmucks sat down and kibitzed on Sunday :

        “Dennis Ross: Obama Doesn’t Understand Israeli Concerns

        Former peace negotiator Dennis Ross and Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz criticize U.S. as lacking a Middle East policy.

        NEW YORK — Former U.S. Middle East peace negotiator Dennis Ross and Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz said Sunday that U.S. President Barack Obama has failed to understand the central security concerns of the Israeli people, and that current American policy is leaving a dangerous vacuum in the Middle East. …”

        read more:

      • Sibiriak on October 20, 2015, 12:14 am

        The Guardian:

        “Harper has denounced the practice of wearing a niqab as “contrary to our own values” and “rooted in a culture that is anti-women”.

        The Conservative’s anti-Muslim turn has proven especially popular in Quebec, where until recently the government party was in danger of being swept away by an “orange wave” of candidates from the leftist New Democratic Party.

        Separatists are also riding the counter current with shockingly racist advertisements warning of Muslim peril. One shows a drop of oil spreading into the form of a sinister black veil beneath the motto, La goutte de trop (a drop too much).

        (emphasis added)

      • Kay24 on October 20, 2015, 7:14 am

        Justin Trudeau seems much better at least in his policies compared to the miserable failure they have had, but apparently he had criticized some BDS movement at a university some time.
        He may end up yet another zionist pawn. That poison has spread in Canada too.

      • oldgeezer on October 20, 2015, 7:29 am

        All three party leaders came out against BDS. all we can hope for is better balance going forward. It is not a huge shift. I would expect Trudeau to be a lot less hawkish and subservient to foreign states in general. Additionally his father will hopefully have been a great influence on his beliefs.

      • eljay on October 20, 2015, 7:39 am

        Trudeau’s optimism is refreshing, but I suspect it’s only a matter of time before powerful and/or sinister special interest groups (such as the Zio-supremacist lobby) knock his rose-tinted glasses off his face and crush them under their boot-heels.

        Should that happen, I truly hope he has (or finds) the courage to speak out against them rather than meekly submit to them and fellate their donkeys.

      • Kay24 on October 20, 2015, 8:31 am

        OG, I agree. He will be less hawkish in his policies, which is good. It is unfortunate that over there too, they must worship the zionists and pledge their devotion, before they get elected.

        I am also surprised that our MSM has not covered the elections of our immediate neighbor.
        They had more coverage for the Israeli elections, and we can easily guess why.

  15. Kathleen on October 19, 2015, 9:56 pm

    “in a rare article of it’s kind” Bingo! Phil you and your team have been hammering Jodi to write about the facts on the ground accurately….take a bow.

  16. Pixel on October 20, 2015, 3:19 am

    We’ll, I’ll be darned.
    So, you’ve been accused of being a Holocaust Denier, Phil.
    We’ll, I’ll be darned.

    I’m glad to hear it.
    Nothing beats personal experience — in this case, revealing the speciousness and idiocy of another manufactured slur.

    Anti-semite —> Self-hating Jew —> Holocaust Denier —> Dupe of the Palestinians —-> (fill in the blank) —-> (fill in the blank) —-> (fill in the blank)…

    Any guesses what the next outrageous charge will be? Anyone?

    As for Rudoren, if she’s truly turned a corner and is pressured to give it up, I’ll be convinced only when she resigns — and, perhaps, becomes a blogger for the cause.

    “The War of Ideas in the Middle East” is already taken but she’s smart enough to come up with something else that has a nice ring to it.

  17. Pixel on October 20, 2015, 3:52 am

    Rudoren’s comment section is no doubt infested with Megaphonies Megaphone Desktop Tool who are out there trying to instantly plug every hole, while simultaneous pushing the Zionist message — for pay.

    (Try editing Wikipedia — something fairly innoculous in re: Palestine/Israel — it will be changed back again within about 3 seconds. I kid you not. Try it sometime.)

    The other day, I was googling around about details of Lincoln’s early childhood. On the 5th article still focusing on first-hand recollections by relatives of his biological mother, Nancy, a window popped up at the bottom my screen that read, “Lincoln and the Jews”.

    Lincoln and the Jews?? Lincoln and the Jews?? WTF?
    Really?? Really??

    They’re EVERYwhere!! It’s creepy as he11 but I’ve gotta give em’ credit for speed and saturation.

    • amigo on October 20, 2015, 6:08 am

      “They’re EVERYwhere!! It’s creepy as he11 but I’ve gotta give em’ credit for speed and saturation. – See more at:” .Pixel.

      Indeed, try this for example in the British crime drama, “Foyles War” , (author –Anthony Horowitz ).Is nothing sacred.

      • Bumblebye on October 20, 2015, 6:34 am

        Hmm. I’ll have to wait til later to view that site – where I am presently blocks it as unsuitable for younger eyes!

    • Citizen on October 20, 2015, 7:52 am

      Re Lincoln and the Jews:

      Lincoln revoked Grant’s General Order No 11 a month after it was made; here’s Grant’s order, followed by a letter he wrote explaining why he made the order in the first place:

      Text of Grant’s Order:
      General Order No. 11 decreed as follows:

      “The Jews, as a class violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department and also department orders, are hereby expelled from the Department [of the Tennessee] within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order.
      Post commanders will see to it that all of this class of people be furnished passes and required to leave, and any one returning after such notification will be arrested and held in confinement until an opportunity occurs of sending them out as prisoners, unless furnished with permit from headquarters.
      No passes will be given these people to visit headquarters for the purpose of making personal application of trade permits.”

      In a letter of the same date as the order, Grant sent a letter to Christopher Walcott, the assistant United States Secretary of War, Grant explained his reasoning:


      I have long since believed that in spite of all the vigilance that can be infused into Post Commanders, that the Specie regulations of the Treasury Dept. have been violated, and that mostly by Jews and other unprincipled traders. So well satisfied of this have I been at this that I instructed the Commdg Officer at Columbus [Kentucky] to refuse all permits to Jews to come south, and frequently have had them expelled from the Dept. [of the Tennessee]. But they come in with their Carpet sacks in spite of all that can be done to prevent it. The Jews seem to be a privileged class that can travel any where. They will land at any wood yard or landing on the river and make their way through the country. If not permitted to buy Cotton themselves they will act as agents for someone else who will be at a Military post, with a Treasury permit to receive Cotton and pay for it in Treasury notes which the Jew will buy up at an agreed rate, paying gold.

      There is but one way that I know of to reach this case. That is for Government to buy all the Cotton at a fixed rate and send it to Cairo, St Louis, or some other point to be sold. Then all traders, they are a curse to the Army, might be expelled.”

      Lincoln also ordered that there would be, for the first time, Jewish chaplains in the Union Army.

  18. CigarGod on October 20, 2015, 9:44 am

    “…changed it’s path…”
    When she follows this article with many more, when Palestinian writers are placed in the “path”, when real context and history become common, when harsh criticisms of zionist ideology and actions are part of the path, when calls for change in usa and israel policy include all the tools currently deployed on behalf of Israel…then I will believe nyt is on a new path…and not a luxury bus excursion thru a ghetto.

    • italian ex-pat on October 20, 2015, 11:24 am


      As I mentioned earlier, the NYT did indeed, the day after Rudoren’s arricle, publish an op-ed by Nathan Thrall, very fair to the Palestinians – so fair, in fact, the it raised the ire of many Jewish readers. Not exactly the scathing condemnation of Israel you wish for, but hey, every little bit helps. At the very least, a step in the right direction, and hopefully a sign of a shifting of the political wind at the paper.

      I also want to add my personal delight at reading this AM of Harper’s defeat. Another good sign.

      • CigarGod on October 20, 2015, 9:28 pm

        Yeah, man.
        Two coins in the bag today. They do add up.

  19. Keith on October 20, 2015, 11:12 am

    PHIL- “This is what happens in the mainstream when a journalist speaks up for Palestinians; Zionist Jews are all over them.”

    And this unthinking, knee-jerk Jewish Zionist solidarity is a key component of Jewish success. In the words of Yuri Slezkine: “Clannishness is loyalty to a limited and well-defined circle of kin (real or fictitious). Such loyalty creates the internal trust and external impregnability that allows service nomads to survive and, under certain conditions, succeed spectacularly in an alien environment.” (p26, “The Jewish Century,” Yuri Slezkine) And what is Zionism if not the re-creation of Jewish medieval (service nomad) solidarity?

    • Sibiriak on October 20, 2015, 11:46 am

      Keith: In the words of Yuri Slezkine: “Clannishness is loyalty to a limited and well-defined circle of kin (real or fictitious). Such loyalty creates the internal trust and external impregnability that allows service nomads to survive and, under certain conditions, succeed spectacularly in an alien environment.”

      Point taken. Clannishness can have its rewards. But are American Zionist Jews today in an alien environment?

      • Mooser on October 20, 2015, 12:07 pm

        Gee, and I thought Jewish sucess in America had to do with assimilation (being equal citizens) and acculturation (or being “pushy”).

        Ah, but then again, look at me. Tried both, and I’m a “loser”. Oh well. Probably should have refused that US citizenship.

      • Keith on October 20, 2015, 4:26 pm

        SIBIRIAK- “But are American Zionist Jews today in an alien environment?”

        The rewards of “kinship” tend to accrue mostly to the elites who have a vested interest in maintaining tribal solidarity. One of the primary means of doing this is through an emphasis on perceived anti-Semitism. If a Jew truly believes in eternal and irrational anti-Semitism, then the environment will inevitably be seen as alien and hostile. No, Zionist Jews do not live in an alien environment, however, to the degree that they PERCEIVE that they do they will modify their actions accordingly. This is the whole purpose of the Holocaust Industry as described by Norman Finkelstein (a must read). Speaking of which, this past Sunday marked the opening of the new Seattle Holocaust museum, the first in the Pacific Northwest. The Holocaust industry is alive and well and making a disproportionate impact upon the Euro-American doctrinal system. Touted as a place “to remember and learn,” it is more properly viewed as a manifestation of Jewish Zionist power and the use of that power to shape the narrative.

      • Keith on October 20, 2015, 4:36 pm

        MOOSER- “Ah, but then again, look at me. Tried both, and I’m a “loser”.

        Cheer up Moose! If you are ever on the East Coast, and if you ask nicely, I suspect that Tokyobk could wrangle you an invitation to dine at Eliezer. Just show up and tell them that Ben sent you. Body armor optional.

        PS- Sorry about the Seattle Holocaust Museum. I know you lobbied hard for Bremerton.

      • Sibiriak on October 20, 2015, 9:21 pm

        Keith: the Holocaust Industry as described by Norman Finkelstein (a must read )

        I also recommend Peter Novick’s “The Holocaust in American Life” (1999). (The author is probably a liberal Zionist, or at least not overtly anti-Zionist, but that doesn’t get in the way of his probing historical analysis.)

      • Mooser on October 20, 2015, 10:53 pm

        “PS- Sorry about the Seattle Holocaust Museum. I know you lobbied hard for Bremerton.”

        Ahh, we didn’t get that, but if I drink very heavily, I can comfort myself with the fact that Bremerton has an even bigger prize. The restored and open-for-tours destroyer USS Turner Joy!!!
        They’re very proud of. That ship played a proud part in US military history!
        Yes, I said the USS Turner Joy. They couldn’t find room at Carquinez Strait?

      • CigarGod on October 21, 2015, 8:55 am

        All my life I dreamed of a mothball tour…or at least hooking a sturgeon in their waters.

      • talknic on October 20, 2015, 11:05 pm

        Odd isn’t it that there are more Holocaust Museums in the USA than anywhere else in the world

      • Mooser on October 20, 2015, 11:10 pm

        “No, Zionist Jews do not live in an alien environment, however, to the degree that they PERCEIVE that they do they will modify their actions accordingly.”

        And oddly enough it is our success and acceptance (if we are talking about the US) which makes us able to afford the pretense of separateness and its trappings.( for those who desire it to use it that way)

      • talknic on October 20, 2015, 11:16 pm

        Oooops … meant to write Holocaust Memorials and Museums in the US

      • Keith on October 20, 2015, 11:53 pm

        TALKNIC- “Odd isn’t it that there are more Holocaust Museums in the USA than anywhere else in the world”

        Not really. The home of empire is where the Zionists are especially concerned to shape the narrative and to promote the image of eternal victimhood (yes, I know you are being facetious).

      • Jon66 on October 21, 2015, 7:34 am

        talknic October 20, 2015, 11:05 pm
        Odd isn’t it that there are more Holocaust Museums in the USA than anywhere else in the world

        – See more at:

        We also have more memorials to the Armenian Genocide than any other country.
        We also have almost as many memorials to the Irish famine as Ireland does.
        America is truly an exceptional country.

      • Keith on October 21, 2015, 11:29 am

        TALKNIC- “Odd isn’t it that there are more Holocaust Museums in the USA than anywhere else in the world”

        Yes, there are fewer and fewer places a Gentile can go without having to fear being Holocausted!

      • Mooser on October 21, 2015, 1:00 pm

        “All my life I dreamed of a mothball tour…or at least hooking a sturgeon in their waters.”

        First off, I think I meant “Benicia” or Suisun Bay, that’s the location of the mothball fleet. It’s a very spooky sight.
        Like fishing surgeon, for the very first time? take your pick, they’re biting like crazy!

  20. Mooser on October 20, 2015, 12:11 pm

    Gloria: “Jodi I just searched u and Kershner in NYtimes. I can’t find any articles sympathetic to Israel, only condemnation. Pls give a link”

    And here goes the coffee, right on the screen:

    Rudoren: “Too numerous. Use search on under my byline or Isabel Kershner, for starters.

    ROTFL. She knows what she does. Won’t even defend her own journalism.

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