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The Times of Israel:

The prime minister of Israel is “by design, the leader of the Jewish world,” the director-general of the Prime Minister’s Office said Saturday.

During a Shabbat sermon in a Manhattan synagogue, Eli Groner several times referred to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the “leader of the Jewish people” and of the “Jewish world,” implying that he earned that title by virtue of heading the government of the only Jewish state.

Netanyahu himself reminded us of this last week at the UN General Assembly (Transcript from Times of Israel):

Ladies and Gentlemen, I bring you greetings from Jerusalem. The city in which the Jewish People’s hopes and prayers for peace for all of humanity have echoed throughout the ages….

[T]hroughout our history, the Jewish people have learned the heavy price of silence. And as the Prime Minister of the Jewish State, as someone who knows that history, I refuse to be silent. I’ll say it again: The days when the Jewish people remained passive in the face of genocidal enemies – those days are over…

I stand here today representing Israel, a country 67 years young, but the nation-state of a people nearly 4,000 years old. Yet the empires of Babylon and Rome are not represented in this hall of nations. Neither is the Thousand Year Reich. Those seemingly invincible empires are long gone. But Israel lives. The people of Israel live.

עם ישראל חי. [Am Yisrael Chai, Hebrew for the previous sentence]

The re-birth of Israel is a testament to the indomitable spirit of my people.

For a hundred generations, the Jewish people dreamed of returning to the Land of Israel. Even in our darkest hours, and we had so many, even in our darkest hours we never gave up hope of rebuilding our eternal capital Jerusalem. The establishment of Israel made realizing that dream possible. It has enabled us to live as a free people in our ancestral homeland. It’s enabled us to embrace Jews who’ve come from the four corners of the earth to find refuge from persecution. They came from war-torn Europe, from Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, from Ethiopia and the Soviet Union, from a hundred other lands. And today, as a rising tide of anti-Semitism once again sweeps across Europe and elsewhere, many Jews come to Israel to join us in building the Jewish future.

As for that Upper East Side synagogue:

Groner, the son of a rabbi from Binghamton, in upstate New York, was a guest of honor at the Modern Orthodox Park East Synagogue, on Manhattan’s Upper East Side.

On Friday night, the community, led by Rabbi Arthur Schneier, hosted Groner, Foreign Ministry director-general Dore Gold and Netanyahu’s new military secretary, Brig.-Gen. Eliezer Toledano.

Eli Groner, photo by Israeli government press office

Eli Groner, photo by Israeli government press office

More on Groner. Worked for McKinsey for six years, got his MBA from NYU; and renounced his US citizenship in 2011. After serving as a soldier for Israel and reservist in 2006 war!

Groner, 44, was also once a business reporter for the English-language daily The Jerusalem Post.

Is he a role model for American Jews? Time Warner exec Gary Ginsberg writes speeches for Netanyahu, I guess he’s down with this program.

Philip Weiss

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  1. Marshall on October 5, 2015, 1:04 pm

    I think Groner is absolutely right, but I haven’t decided whether Netanyahu is more like Sauron, The Borg, or Emperor Palpatine. Thoughts?

    • a blah chick on October 5, 2015, 2:07 pm

      I vote for the emperor, because they both have staff and pyrotechnics. Also I feel he is just one misplaced air shaft away from disaster.

    • JLewisDickerson on October 5, 2015, 7:14 pm

      I have always seen Netanyahu as Benito “Il Duce” Mussolini! ! !

      PHOTOS:
      ● ONE
      ● TWO
      ● THREE
      ● FOUR

      • JLewisDickerson on October 5, 2015, 7:35 pm

        P.S. ■ Vincere – Official Trailer

        P.P.S. FILM REVIEW:
        “Vincere: she gave ‘Il Duce’ a child and he had her sectioned”, By David Gritten, 30 April 2010
        A vibrant new film sheds light on Mussolini’s little-known mistress.
        LINK – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/7659212/Vincere-she-gave-Il-Duce-a-child-and-he-had-her-sectioned.html

      • JLewisDickerson on October 5, 2015, 7:47 pm

        P.P.S. ■ Il Duce e la folla: Benito Mussolini a Torino (1932)

      • Kay24 on October 5, 2015, 10:26 pm

        If you take one of his war mongering speeches, mute it, and put a hitler like mustache on him, he will look like a stark raving lunatic.

      • JLewisDickerson on October 6, 2015, 10:09 am

        ■ MUSSOLINI SPEECH TARANTO

      • RockyMissouri on October 6, 2015, 11:15 am

        It’s him alright…!! Especially #4..!!

      • piotr on October 6, 2015, 11:49 pm

        Per Beniamin Netanyahu, eia eia alala!
        Per la nostra Patria bella, eia eia alala!

        Giovinezza, giovinezza, primavera di bellezza …

      • JLewisDickerson on October 7, 2015, 12:20 am

        RE: “Per Beniamin Netanyahu, eia eia alala!
        Per la nostra Patria bella, eia eia alala!

        Giovinezza, giovinezza, primavera di bellezza …” ~ piotr

        GOOGLE TRANSLATE:
        For Benjamin Netanyahu, eia eia alala!
        For our country beautiful, eia eia alala!

        Youth, youth, spring beauty …

        P.S. BY ANOTHER SICK FAN OF FASCISM:
        Tribute to Benito Mussolini IL DUCE!
        Published on Nov 22, 2013
        by RomanianUltraNationalist14

      • JLewisDickerson on October 7, 2015, 1:42 am

        P.P.P.S. RE: “I have always seen Netanyahu as Benito ‘Il Duce’ Mussolini! ! !” ~ me (from above)

        SEE: “Bibi and the Yo-Yos”, by Uri Avnery, Antiwar.com, 05/26/11

        [EXCERPT] It was all rather disgusting.
        There they were, the members of the highest legislative bodies of the world’s only superpower, flying up and down like so many yo-yos, applauding wildly, every few minutes or seconds, the most outrageous lies and distortions of Binyamin Netanyahu.

        It was worse than the Syrian parliament during a speech by Bashar Assad, where anyone not applauding could find himself in prison. Or Stalin’s Supreme Soviet, when showing less than sufficient respect could have meant death.
        What the American Senators and Congressmen feared was a fate worse than death. Anyone remaining seated or not applauding wildly enough could have been caught on camera – and that amounts to political suicide. It was enough for one single congressman to rise and applaud, and all the others had to follow suit. Who would dare not to?
        The sight of these hundreds of parliamentarians jumping up and clapping their hands, again and again and again and again, with the Leader graciously acknowledging with a movement of his hand, was reminiscent of other regimes. Only this time it was not the local dictator who compelled this adulation, but a foreign one.
        The most depressing part of it was that there was not a single lawmaker – Republican or Democrat – who dared to resist. When I was a 9 year old boy in Germany, I dared to leave my right arm hanging by my side when all my schoolmates raised theirs in the Nazi salute and sang Hitler’s anthem. Is there no one in Washington DC who has that simple courage? Is it really Washington IOT – Israel Occupied Territory – as the anti-Semites assert? . . .

        ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://original.antiwar.com/avnery/2011/05/25/bibi-and-the-yo-yos/

    • RoHa on October 5, 2015, 8:54 pm

      The Borg? I thought Zionists didn’t approve of assimilation.

    • zaid on October 5, 2015, 9:56 pm

      How dare you make fun of the Jewish Caliph.
      May God curse descend upon you and may you be eaten by crocodiles.

    • Boo on October 6, 2015, 11:07 am

      Someone was in here last week bragging about “One Folk”, “One Country”. So this paean to Bibi really does nothing more than complete the “Ein” trifecta.

      • lysias on October 6, 2015, 12:22 pm

        Just as Ein Volk…. served as justification for the removal of Jews, the earlier un roi, une loi, une foi served as justification for the expulsion of the Huguenots (something from which Prussia very much benefited, you’d think they would have learned something).

  2. Froggy on October 5, 2015, 1:36 pm

    Are Jews who live in countries other than Israel, Jews who haven’t made aliyah and have no ingtention of doing so eligible to vote in Israeli elections?

    I’m referring to American Jews, Canadian Jews, French Jews, German Jews, Argentinian Jews, British Jews, and other so-called diaspora Jews resident in their homelands? Are any of them eligible to vote in Israeli elections?

    In democracies, we get to vote for our leaders. Do Jews not have the same rights

    • Froggy on October 5, 2015, 1:56 pm

      Sorry. That should have read :

      Are Jews who live in countries other than Israel, Jews who haven’t made aliyah and have no intention of doing so eligible to vote in Israeli elections?

      I’m referring to American Jews, Canadian Jews, French Jews, German Jews, Argentinian Jews, British Jews, and other so-called diaspora Jews resident in their homelands? Are any of them eligible to vote in Israeli elections?

      “The prime minister of Israel is “by design, the leader of the Jewish world,” the director-general of the Prime Minister’s Office said Saturday.”

      Whose design?

      Netanyahoo may not understand that citizens in our western democracies have a voice. We actually get to vote for our leaders. Or do Jews who live outwith Israel have a leader foisted upon them by the outcome of an election that takes place in a foreign country where they have no vote?

    • amigo on October 5, 2015, 5:47 pm

      “Are Jews who live in countries other than Israel, Jews who haven’t made aliyah and have no ingtention of doing so eligible to vote in Israeli elections? – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/listen-netanyahu-leader#sthash.zTPCdrKL.dpuf“Froggy

      This short article might give you some insight.

      http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/the-jewish-thinker/.premium-1.643570

      • Froggy on October 6, 2015, 10:16 am

        Amigo : Voting for the WZC isn’t the same as a direct vote though. Thanks for the information.

        Interesting that Israel doesn’t have absentee voting for Israeli citizens abroad.

    • JLewisDickerson on October 5, 2015, 6:53 pm

      RE: Are Jews who live in countries other than Israel, Jews who haven’t made aliyah and have no intention of doing so eligible to vote in Israeli elections? – Froggy

      ANSWER: Not currently, but there have been suggestions/proposals to allow such voting.

      SEE: “Diaspora Jews voting in Israeli elections?” | By Batya Medad, 05/03/2015

      [EXCERPTS] Diaspora Jews Voting in Israeli Elections? Every once in a while, and getting more frequent, there’s talk of allowing all Jews, no matter where they live, to have the right to vote in Israeli Elections.

      I’ve even read that Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu likes the idea. In all honesty I think it stinks. And that is the most polite way I can describe how I feel. I take the right to vote very seriously. That’s why I don’t vote in American elections, even though I have full legal rights to do so. . .

      . . . [T]his is about Jews from all over the world voting in my elections, Israeli Elections. Just because someone is or claims to be Jewish doesn’t give him/her the right to chose the Government, the Knesset Members in the State of Israel! I will give you two very simple reasons why it’s a totally fokokt idea:

      • Who is a Jew? Defining Jew by Jewish Law, Hitler’s definition or culinary likes? Do you have any better or more creative way?
      • In Israel there are so many political parties and issues, it’s hard enough for us Israeli newshounds and political pundits to choose the best party, how would some self-proclaimed Jew in India, Moscow, Peru or even in New Jersey have a clue?

      At present there isn’t even a way for tax-paying, IDF serving Israelis out of the country to vote. At present for a returning or visiting Israeli to get coverage in the Israeli health system, he/she must first pay back money owed to the system. If someone isn’t “Israeli enough” to get care from the Kupat Cholim (sick fund) of his/her choice, then why let that person vote in Knesset Elections?

      I think that only Israelis who are paid up should get absentee voting rights. Voting for Israeli Elections should only be for those who live here and those who pay all taxes as if they lived here. Our issues are too serious to be put in the hands of those who have nothing to lose.

      ENTIRE POST – http://www.jpost.com/Blogs/Dont-Fence-Me-In/Diaspora-Jews-Voting-in-Israeli-Elections-400901

      P.S. ALSO SEE:

      “Israeli Voting Rights for Expatriates and Diaspora Jews”, By Moshe Feiglin, Nov-11-2009
      LINK – http://www.jewishisrael.org/israeli-voting-rights-expatriates-diaspora-jews/

      “Who gets to vote in Israel’s democracy?” | By Noam Sheizaf | 972mag.com | October 30, 2012
      LINK – http://972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-in-israels-democracy/58756/

      • Froggy on October 6, 2015, 10:20 am

        Thank you for that. Absentee voting for citizens abroad is common in western democracies.

        However, opening up elections to diaspora Jews could cause problems. I can see all kinds of complications with that.

  3. Froggy on October 5, 2015, 1:51 pm

    Are Jews who live in countries other than Israel, Jews who haven’t made aliyah and have no intention of doing so eligible to vote in Israeli elections?

    I’m referring to American Jews, Canadian Jews, French Jews, German Jews, Argentinian Jews, British Jews, and other so-called diaspora Jews resident in their homelands? Are any of them eligible to vote in Israeli elections?

    “The prime minister of Israel is “by design, the leader of the Jewish world,” the director-general of the Prime Minister’s Office said Saturday.”

    Whose design?

    Netanyahoo may not understand that citizens in our western democracies have a voice. We actually get to vote for our leaders. Or do Jews who live outwith Israel have a leader foisted upon them by the outcome of an election that takes place in a foreign country where they have no vote? That doesn’t sound very democratic to me.

  4. eljay on October 5, 2015, 2:13 pm

    … During a Shabbat sermon in a Manhattan synagogue, Eli Groner several times referred to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the “leader of the Jewish people” and of the “Jewish world,” …

    “Jewish world” – that’s a new one for the list.

    So, does that also make him the head of the Jewish tribe, culture, collective, ethnicity, nation, civilization and – last but certainly not least – religion? If not, who is?

    • RoHa on October 5, 2015, 8:49 pm

      “Jewsih World”

      Is he threatening us?

      • eljay on October 6, 2015, 7:56 am

        || RoHa: “Jewsih World”

        Is he threatening us? ||

        If that’s pronounced “Juicy”, I’d say he’s trying to tempt us. And who other than a Juice-hater wouldn’t be tempted! ;-)

      • RoHa on October 6, 2015, 8:19 am

        But we are told that nearly everyone hates Juice.

      • eljay on October 6, 2015, 8:53 am

        || RoHa: But we are told that nearly everyone hates Juice. ||

        They say that in order to keep as much as possible of the Juice in the Promised Can.

      • Mooser on October 6, 2015, 12:25 pm

        “But we are told that nearly everyone hates Juice.”

        What are you talking about, RoHa? I often spend the entire day looking for the Motts Juice. If I can find the Mot Jewste that’s even better.

      • eljay on October 6, 2015, 12:38 pm

        || Mooser: What are you talking about, RoHa? I often spend the entire day looking for the Motts Juice. If I can find the Mot Jewste that’s even better. ||

        Nicely done! :-)

      • RoHa on October 6, 2015, 7:33 pm

        Tanquam ex ungue leonem.

  5. Bandolero on October 5, 2015, 3:50 pm

    Seeing Netanyahu, the self-claimed “leader” of the Jewish world, talking about the Thousand Year Reich at the UN, I can’t resist this comment:

    The expression “Netanyahu, the leader of the jewish world” gets a different meaning when instead of the English word “leader” the German translation for “leader” is used.

    • lysias on October 5, 2015, 7:16 pm

      “Duce”, “Caudillo”, and “Вождь” are other possibilities.

  6. Steve Grover on October 5, 2015, 4:19 pm

    Well said Mr. Prime Minister עמ ישראל חי!
    What quality Hebrew words for Weiss and the rest of his ilk to learn and never forget!
    http://youtu.be/eLBW0mVJ6ms

    • Mooser on October 5, 2015, 5:52 pm

      “Well said Mr. Prime Minister…”

      “Grover”,Az tzvei zuggen shiker, leigst zich der driter shloffen

      • Steve Grover on October 5, 2015, 11:46 pm

        Mooser,
        Deyn Yisroel has makht ir gezunt vi a shiker.

      • JLewisDickerson on October 6, 2015, 12:22 am

        TRANSLATION: “If two say you’re drunk, go to bed!”

      • JLewisDickerson on October 6, 2015, 12:34 am

        ALTERNATE TRANSLATION: If two people say you’re drunk, the third one goes to sleep. If two people confirm something, it’s true.

      • echinococcus on October 6, 2015, 1:22 am

        Dickerson,

        If I may offer a slight correction, after consulting with my Yiddish sources:

        Az tsvei zogen zich shiker, leigt zich der driter schlofen

        The literal translation being: “if two [people] say they [themselves] are drunk, the third one goes to sleep”

        i.e. if a majority say it is in a given condition, the minority has to adapt.

        Or “if two say they themselves are drunk, you go to bed”

      • JLewisDickerson on October 6, 2015, 10:33 am

        RE: The literal translation being: “if two [people] say they [themselves] are drunk, the third one goes to sleep” i.e. if a majority say it is in a given condition, the minority has to adapt. ~ echinococcus

        MY REPLY: Thanks, for the clarification/elucidation. It helps explain Mooser’s use in regard to Grover.

      • ziusudra on October 6, 2015, 11:58 am

        Greetings Mooser,

        Az tzvei zogen zich shiker,
        leigt zich der driter schlofen.

        Wenn zwei sich sagen, (sie) sind betrunken,
        legt sich der dritter schlafen.

        If two say (of themselves that they) are drunk,
        the third lays (down to) sleep.
        ziusudra
        PS Keep the Yiddish coming.

      • James North on October 6, 2015, 12:28 pm

        Moose: Why do you bring up alcohol around “Grober?” You know what happens to him after he gets stuck into the Manischewitz.

      • Mooser on October 6, 2015, 12:30 pm

        TRANSLATION: “If two say you’re drunk, go to bed!”

        Okay let’s go to the archives:

        “Mooser sez:
        “Try not posting while drunk, for a start.”

        Okay, there’s one. And “Grover” replies:

        “Being shickered up is the only way a reasonable person can fathom an Israel hatin’ Yidlach such as yourself. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/steve-grover?keyword=up#sthash.oqzMg668.dpuf

        That makes two! Nighty-night, “Grover”.

      • Mooser on October 6, 2015, 7:23 pm

        “keep the Yiddish coming”

        Brush up your Yiddish and the women you will wow!

        Here is an interesting web article/presentation: “9 ways to Engage Yiddish in the Israel Palestine debate”

    • John O on October 5, 2015, 6:04 pm

      ” Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

      Proverbs 16:18 (King James translation)

    • echinococcus on October 5, 2015, 7:17 pm

      Oh, yeah. Rule Britannia, Deutschland über alles, My Country right or wrong,…
      Define “am yisraël”. With precision, so as to understand. If you can, I mean.

      • echinococcus on October 8, 2015, 9:37 am

        “Grover”, bluster isn’t enough to be the toast of the town, one has to answer questions after shooting in public.
        My question is still awaiting an earnest answer, to wit: please define that am yisraël that deserves your chai latte.

    • Froggy on October 6, 2015, 11:16 am

      Looks like a high school pep rally.

  7. michelle on October 5, 2015, 5:16 pm

    .
    but i heard the Jewish leader was Mooser
    better qualified than the other one anyway
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  8. JLewisDickerson on October 5, 2015, 6:17 pm

    RE: the above photo of Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel

    MY COMMENT: Read the excerpt below and then take another look at Netanyahu’s photo, paying close attention to his mouth and eyes.

    SEE: “Prime minister’s wife accused in court of abusing staff” | By Lisa Goldman | 972mag.com | September 21, 2015

    [EXCERPT] Sara Netanyahu, the wife of the prime minister, is an alcoholic who drinks champagne from morning to night, terrorizes her employees with verbal and physical abuse and has her husband, the prime minister, so terrified of her rages that he does not dare utter a word that might appear to contradict her. This is according to testimony heard on Sunday in a Jerusalem court from former employees at the prime minister’s residence. Guy Eliahu, a former maintenance man at the official residence, is suing the Netanyahus for what he says is Sara’s abusive, inappropriate and inhumane treatment.

    According to a report published by Ynet, the Israeli digital media site, on Sunday a former cook, Etti Haim, who took the witness stand reluctantly after she was subpoenaed, described several shocking incidents.

    In one case, testified Haim, Sara Netanyahu went ballistic upon discovering that the patio awning had been rolled up after the al fresco dinner table had been fully set for dinner, including an array of prepared salads. Just before Sara Netanyahu appeared for the meal, the prime minister had asked Guy Eliahu, the maintenance man, to roll up the awning over the table. Upon seeing this Mrs. Netanyahu berated Eliahu, insisting the dinner table was now contaminated by dust. Haim said the prime minister did not intervene but sat silently on a bench near the table, avoiding eye contact with Eliahu. Mrs. Netanyahu ordered that the table be entirely cleared of dishes and food and re-set. When her son Avner said that his food was fine and should not be cleared away, Sara Netanyahu angrily accused him of taking the side of the servants. The prime minister’s wife then trashed the dinner table. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://972mag.com/prime-ministers-wife-accused-in-court-of-abusing-staff/111888/

  9. inbound39 on October 6, 2015, 12:45 am

    The last person to realise they are mad is the mad person. Netanyahu is one such person and as such is not fit mentally or physically to lead anything other than his imaginary friends. He has difficulty dealing with the debating chamber inside his head as his statements are generally false. The damage he has done to Israel in the last ten years cannot be undone and he has destroyed any hope of Israeli’s being accepted warmly by anyone worldwide who has a sense of humanity,honesty and self worth. No right thinking person can support or follow what he has allowed to occur on his watch and those few nations,the one or two left that still lend Israel support need to bow their heads in shame for the despicable crimes they have allowed Netanyahu to commit with total impunity. Why protect a mad person….he needs to be held securely in a locked ward so he can no longer harm himself or others.

    • Kathleen on October 6, 2015, 11:55 am

      Keep imagining if he were to pivot towards accepting Iran deal, stop building illegal settlements and really start pushing for a real deal with the Palestinians. That or go over the cliff that he has pushed the two state solution over.

  10. Krauss on October 6, 2015, 2:24 am

    I stand here today representing Israel, a country 67 years young, but the nation-state of a people nearly 4,000 years old. Yet the empires of Babylon and Rome are not represented in this hall of nations. Neither is the Thousand Year Reich. Those seemingly invincible empires are long gone. But Israel lives. The people of Israel live.

    A small quibble perhaps, but while Rome may have fallen the Italian people are still around last time I checked.

    So his analogy is radically inaccurate. Yes those nations/empires may have fallen, but the people are still around. The Jewish people =/= Israel.

    Israel’s only been around for about 67 years in its modern incarnation. If Israel makes it as many centuries as Rome did, then Zionists have a right to brag. Until it does, it’s just a small blip on the radar.

    • Mooser on October 6, 2015, 8:02 pm

      “Until it does, it’s just a small blip on the radar.”

      Yup, just a little blip- with a nice sized illegal uncontrolled nuclear arsenal. (And a fairly robust delivery system, too) Blip-blip-blip-BLAM!

  11. wondering jew on October 6, 2015, 4:48 am

    If American Jews were allowed to vote in Israeli elections, (it will never happen, but…) Herzog would have won the last election. (maybe it depends on how easy it would be to vote, because those most dedicated to vote would have voted Bibi, but those with the least attachment would have voted Herzog).

  12. Abdul-Rahman on October 6, 2015, 5:05 am

    A lunatic babbling mythology, mixed with jingoism and threats for humanity. Mileikowsky sure is a prime example of a Zionist ‘leader’. But the supposed ‘Supreme Leader of the Jewish People’ he will never be. As much as he wants to tie the world’s Jews to his and his cohorts crimes; the world will not have it.

  13. bryan on October 6, 2015, 6:12 am

    Could this man not get a speech-writer who could do justice to this august assembly?

    “I refuse to be silent.” But then he was for 44 seconds.

    “I stand here today representing Israel, a country 67 years young, but the nation-state of a people nearly 4,000 years old. Yet the empires of Babylon and Rome are not represented in this hall of nations. Neither is the Thousand Year Reich. Those seemingly invincible empires are long gone. But Israel lives. The people of Israel live.”

    There clearly was no Israeli state nearly 4,000 years ago. Later their emerged a collection of Canaanite city states, under the domination of Egypt. There was a small Israeli state by the time of the battle of Qarqar in 853 BCE, one of a coalition of 11 states that fought the Assyrian king, Shalmanezer, that survived until 722 BCE, and then a succession of ruling Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, Turks and British, and a brief assertion of independence under the Hasmoneans. Incorrectly extending Israeli rule back nearly four thousand years is simply a rhetorical device to suggest that Jews have always ruled the region which is utter nonsense.

    The suggestion that there was such a thing as a “nation-state” nearly 4000 years ago is deeply unhistorical – Europe and the Middle East were dominated by non-national states until very recently. Ancient Israel has no more continuity with Modern Israel, than has Babylon with Iraq, and the continuity between Rome and Italy and pre-1945 Germany and post-1945 Germany are vastly greater. Netanyahu desperately needs to understand the differences between countries, peoples, nations, states and regimes. The Nazi regime was a brief interlude in German history as hopefully the Zionist regime will be in Palestinian history, but the land and the people will persist, hopefully with a decent government.

  14. ahadhaadam on October 6, 2015, 8:15 am

    Why not just refer to him as the Jewish Caliph?

  15. Ossinev on October 6, 2015, 12:51 pm

    Bryan I`m afraid you have got it all wrong. Nitay apparently has got a rabbinic scroll secreted in his bedroom wardrobe which proves conclusively that his great – great- great – great etc grandmother lived in a three bedroom duplex apartment in downtown Hebron in 10,000 BC. After those nasty Romans expelled one of the grannies and her family, like lots of other 10000 year old Jewish families, they wandered the earth through the millenia fleeing pogroms and discrimination in such diverse places as Poland , Mongolia , Australia , Golders Green, Baltimore and latterly Florida Keys and Melbourne. Eventually the Nitay family returned to their ancient homeland in 1920 AD. It is rumoured that Nitay got a mortgage for his current house in Israel using the Hebron deed as collateral.

  16. MHughes976 on October 6, 2015, 12:57 pm

    Genesis 20 makes it clear that the Palestinians were there first. You may say both that this is questionable historically, that there could be no more than limited continuity between Palestinians then and now and that in any event the situation of that distant time creates no rights in our time. All these things could be said with equal truth about the Zionist ancient history claims.
    I think that Netanyahu claimed that it was the People, not the nation-state, that is so very old. He uses the term People in Romantic style and it is highly characteristic of that style that its terms are rather wildly undefined. Same with Historic Homeland.
    Israel these days is a state with a remarkably high level of different and antagonistic nationalities.

  17. RoHa on October 6, 2015, 7:46 pm

    “its terms are rather wildly undefined”

    That’s putting it mildly.

  18. niass2 on October 6, 2015, 8:50 pm

    Not a leader, not my leader, a leader of a nation-state, not a people or religion. Its actually a psychopathic kind of thing, but it all collapses when any of us get sick or need real help. Netanyahu is nothing but a deluded fool, and is doing great harm to a lot of people. I’ll follow Bob Weir, he is my leader for the next several weeks, with a few weeks off in between ho-downs. Netanyahu needs a spanking, he’s the one of his ten siblings that never got any beatings, as such he is the spoiled one. Could he be retroactively aborted. I am pro-choice and always thought that was a good option for Newt Gingrich. Netanyahoo is also an excellent candidate for such a procedure, assuming Isreal’s universal health care system (Universal for Jews I bet) will pay for it. PS most kids I know whose parents made them go to hebrew school hid in the bathroom the whole time. My wife did, we have that in common. It was that or be taught about some loser college students perception of isreal, a la Brandeis Hillell in about 1977. That place needs new curtains. Please don’t say he’s my leader, jerry garcia will throw u down the stairs if you say it again!! And he’s Dead.

    • Mooser on October 7, 2015, 11:38 am

      ” Its actually a psychopathic kind of thing, but it all collapses when any of us get sick or need real help.”

      Oh, that’s easy for you to say, but I’ve got Tribal Unity (this is her, in better days) living here at Moosehall, and you just started her weeping and wailing again.

      “PS most kids I know whose parents made them go to hebrew school hid in the bathroom the whole time. My wife did, we have that in common. It was that or be taught about some loser college students perception of isreal, a la Brandeis Hillell in about 1977.”

      Oh great, now she’s hysterical. Why don’t you tell me how to calm her down. Wait, it’s still early, maybe I can sneak some vodka into her cornflakes at breakfast. That poor girl. She’s even been kicked out of England’s Jewish Chronicle

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