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The double standard for white and Muslim shooters

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On December 4, the owner of the home that the alleged San Bernardino attackers, Syed Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, was opened to the media. The scene was pandemonium as a swarm of reporters, cameramen, and members of the public ransacked the home.

MSNBC reporter Kerry Sanders was tracked by a live shot though the Redlands home, rifling through photographs and documents on live television. MSNBC anchor Andrea Mitchell showed some discomfort as Sanders found pictures of children and showed them to the cable channel’s audience, but the channel kept broadcasting anyway.

Driver's license shown on MSNBC

Driver’s license shown on MSNBC

In possibly the most egregious violation of privacy in this circus of shit journalism, Sanders found the driver’s license of the mother of the male shooter and held it up to the camera for over thirty seconds. Stay tuned for the inevitable vandalism/attacks/harassment of the gunman’s family as a direct result of that action.

Media rifle alleged attackers' home in California

Media rifle alleged attackers’ home in California

The media’s behavior here is pretty indicative of the domestic shooting double standard. Remember how after the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting, the media were allowed/forced their way into Adam Lanza’s family home after the FBI had gone through it? Remember how the media found out he was a white male and immediately searched for a way to connect him to his broader community?

Right, none of that happened. Never happens, in fact, when the shooter is a white man. The media will swarm and exhaustively cover attacks on civilians in the West when Muslims do them. But when the perpetrator is white, the questions become “how are we getting so used to this” and “is it time to talk about gun control.”

Same with this attack- for the first few hours. The contrast of coverage in the first hours after the attack and the days after the suspects were identified is striking. Coverage in the wake of the shooting followed the script. The “left” in mainstream American politics called for gun control. The right gave prayers for the victims. Once the shooters were identified as Muslims, Arabs, that narrative changed.

The right prays for the victims

The right prays for the victims

When the shooter is white, the questions surrounding motivation are many. There is a concerted effort to figure out “what happened” to him, what in his background could have made him so “troubled.” The white shooter is a “loner,” he is “mentally disturbed.”

When the shooter is a person of color in general, and a Muslim in particular, there are no questions. Generalizations and assumptions take the place of individualized motivations and mental illness, background and past.

That’s how we get to the point where the media invades the home of dead suspects in a shooting and shows the world their family’s personal information: without individualizing the attackers when their skin tone is insufficiently pale, they are seen as part of a monolithic mindless mass of danger, not as the just-as-disturbed and troubled people that their white, male counterparts are.

We’re only three days into this story, so there will surely be more of these blatant incidents of media bias around the San Bernardino shootings. Whether or not they will reach the heights of MSNBC doxing family members of the shooter is unclear. What is clear is that now that the shooters have been thoroughly “othered” by the media and law enforcement due to their religious and ethnic backgrounds, the storyline will follow its predictable, dehumanizing narrative.

 

Eoin Higgins

Eoin Higgins is a writer and historian from upstate New York. He is a graduate of the Masters in History program at Fordham University's Graduate School of Arts and Sciences. His writing can be found at EoinHiggins.com. Follow him on twitter @EoinHiggins_

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  1. Marnie on December 6, 2015, 1:12 pm

    So what’s new? Always the shock when the perpetrator is white; “how could this happen?” When the perpretrator is brown, as Mr. Higgins noted, no questions are asked, as with non-whites, there is apparently not even enough curiosity to wonder why.

    • just on December 6, 2015, 2:40 pm

      True, Marnie.

      This is a fine piece of journalism and truth. It’s important and much appreciated, Eoin.

      • peeesss on December 7, 2015, 3:29 am

        EOIN; Agreed, fine piece of journalism.. One critique, the married couple alleged to have committed this crime are from Pakistan. Pakistan is not “Arab”. They were not “Arab”.

  2. Bandolero on December 6, 2015, 2:44 pm

    Eoin

    While I agree to your point that there is a lot of public bigotry involved when a shooter is a Muslim and the differences in opinion making are striking, I don’t think the media would respect the privacy of a white christian shooter. I think the media in general doesn’t respect any privacy at all.

    The difference with the media going into the rooms where the shooter lived, I would see as that the Farooks’ apartment was rented and given back to the landlord directly after the shooting, and the landlord then invited the media into it while Adam Lanza lived in a house that was owned by his familiy, so there was no landlord who could have invited the media into it.

    Weeks later, as a bank aquired the house of the Lanza family to have it destroyed, the media hysteria was already gone. But I would be quite sure, had there been a landlord opening the doors of Lanza’s home to the media soon after the shooting, the media would have behaved not much better regarding the privacy of the family as they did with Farook. The media has just no ethics, whatever the case.

    • traintosiberia on December 8, 2015, 9:30 am

      Public bigotry goes beyond selective morality . Public wants America to confront IS .public believes every word the administration and opposition say against IS and terrorism . Same public wont believe one word on climate,economy,gun violence,medical abortion, education, or need for infrastrucre or overhauling on tax law or health insurance depending on which party is saying and who the audience is. But those same stupid moron will embrace the nazi label attached to Putin,Assad,Ghaddafy,or Saddam or to Chavez irrespective of who is making the accusation.
      This readiness to accept monolithic narrative supported by both parties is the cause of
      American blunders succeeding repeatedly for the next set of blunders.

      Even those who portray a level headed ness would start with : Yes,we know Saddam or Ghaddafi or Putin are monster,despotic,and imperialist but we should not have done this or that.
      No these morons need to stop using these epithets or adjective because that description do readily apply to any western leaders but is never articulated while describing Blair,Thatcher,Bush or Reagan or Clinton or Sarkozy.

      American public get lectured by Friedman that Saddam was dong something very bad- he was supporting suicide bomber and the fami,IED of the suicide bombers .
      But no one refers to the fact that American have been sending money -tax free – in millions of dollars to support the criminal gangs accused of violence against Palestinian ,bear the legal cost ,and provide for the violator’s family. Above all ,Saddam did not violate Americal laws . But these donors are violating by sending money or the illegal construction.

  3. DaBakr on December 6, 2015, 4:26 pm

    what a bunch of whiny BS. the so-called “white man” who shot up the school was outed as an autistic oddball who did not fit in socially with his peers from very early in the media ‘investigation’. In other words-people had a pretty good inkling this ‘white’ kid was off his rocker and the questions following would be the why’s and how’s he came to possess such weapons in light of his disabilities.

    The SB shooting was a puzzle from the start and the media-in cahoots with its left leaning Obama admin. (who simply refuses-like an obstinate child-to acknowledge the obvious) withheld the shooters last names as long as possible for what reason? Everybody knows the answer to that. So when the name was finally released it was hardly a surprise at what conclusions might be drawn.

    It is very sad for the bulk of US Muslims to have to live with the discomfort and horror of waiting each time a new terror attack occurs to find out the attackers names. So-blaming Obama’s media for treating two mass murderers privacy as sacred after they had been killed is really nothing but useless btchng. Author may want to go read up on what happened when two ruthless ‘white’ killers named Bonnie and Clyde were gunned down. Displaying their naked dead and shot up bodies to a very hungry pubic was considered the penalty of their fame.
    And besides-any expectation that the MSM works with any directive of morality except on only a strictly personal reporter-by-reporter basis is ridiculous. The MSM can no longer be trusted for any amount of ‘morality’ which is generally widely known by most internationally informed readers.

    • John O on December 6, 2015, 6:27 pm

      “outed as an autistic oddball”

      Of all the vile, insensitive, inhumane, low-down dirty things you’ve said on this website, that is surely the worst. You are beneath contempt, DaBakr.

      • DaBakr on December 6, 2015, 7:26 pm

        @jo
        holy crp oj- get over yourself. a) he was autistic and was “outed” early by the frenetic press as such, b) he was an oddball too and c) there are some autistic people who are not oddballs as well as d) many non-autistic people who are oddballs. you are most likely an oddball yourself. its hardly a slur and when its coupled with arms made for war it would make for a maniac. i would take no offense were someone to call me out as an oddball. so take your self-righteous contempt and put it in a small tight hole and save it for somebody who doesn’t have a clue what living and/or working with people in various forms of autism-be it aspergers to out-right violent self-harming behavior.* In fact-i know of no other autistic person who is fixated on assault weapons-even though that boy’s whack-job mother didn’t help by bringing him to the range to practice war games.

        *boy killer did not have a particular;y severe diagnosis of autism. challenging? yes. prone to violence? not because of autism.

    • annie on December 6, 2015, 7:05 pm

      the so-called “white man” who shot up the school was outed as an autistic oddball who did not fit in socially with his peers

      and Jared Lee Loughner was an oddball too i suppose. and James Holmes. and Craig Stephen Hicks. and Robert Lewis Dear. and Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer, Dylann Roof, Elliot Rodger, Aaron Alexis, Wade Michael Page, Robert Hawkins. the list goes on and on. in fact every single person who commits mass murder in the US is an oddball — except muslims who are just being their normal selves. is that it?

      • DaBakr on December 6, 2015, 7:33 pm

        @an
        whats ur point? that these villains were not vilified in the US after they committed their crimes?
        I don’t know of all those names but in the case of the Roof maniac-The press absolutely did violate his right to privacy by obtaining medical records for prescriptions that he was legally prescribed even though when arrested-the police assumed it was illegally possessed and thereby making the story about the crazed nazi-obsessed ‘drug abuser’ a case of more hype then a story about an ordinary punk who latched onto an absurd ideology and decided he had a right to walk into a church and blow peoples lives away for no reason. so-white blond haired nazi -or- white darker haired jihadi, hardly a difference worth whining about.

      • annie on December 6, 2015, 7:50 pm

        nope, my point was not that they were not vilified. in fact most of them were cited for mental illness or something of that nature. but no one was blaming their religion or ethnicity. someone like elliot rodgers — a flaming racist http://www.mediaite.com/online/ucsb-shooter-elliot-rodger-posted-racist-messages-on-puahate-website/ no one was blaming his ethnicity.

      • DaBakr on December 6, 2015, 9:44 pm

        @an

        i’ll have to take your word for the guy’s you mention. i only know that the Root kid’s ethnicity was definitely blamed for his racist and murderous act. what was amazing in that fact was how the actual victims-at least many in their community-were very forgiving of his ‘sick’ soul.

        However-that kid was a downright certified oddball. Mixed with drugs and a violent ideology and you get a psycho maniac. i still don’t see how this farook and his wife were any more mistreated by the press. you really don’t expect the US msm to not play up the ‘islamic-extremist-out-of-the-blue’ angle? imagine if some lubovitchers in brooklyn started shooting up manhattan? you don’t think their religion would be fair play?

      • annie on December 6, 2015, 10:18 pm

        imagine if some lubovitchers in brooklyn started shooting up manhattan? you don’t think their religion would be fair play?

        what if a bunch of lubovitchers in brooklyn had a history of pedophilia? think it would make much national news? think their religion would be fair play?

        this stuff goes national when it’s a priest http://www.recordonline.com/article/20151202/NEWS/151209835/101008

        just one recent example.

        Root kid’s ethnicity was definitely blamed for his racist and murderous act.

        oh yeah, like i sooo remember the calls for all the white people to denounce what was done in our name!! (NOT). are you crazy dude? he was treated with kid gloves — taken to mcDonald’s or don’t you recall not shot down like a dog. and there was no mass anti white culpability for his crime. no talks by politicians of rounding up white people in internment camps.

      • Marnie on December 7, 2015, 12:03 am

        Lest we forget Timothy McVeigh, mass murderer

      • Marnie on December 7, 2015, 12:14 am

        @DKR – who spit in your cornflakes? You’re really getting a cranky old man vibe to your posts, or cranky young man for that matter. Sheesh.

        Timothy McVeigh, a real good ol’ boy and veteran of “Desert Storm”, even after killing 168 people and Columbine’s mass murdering Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold; received the “where did we go wrong” as a society bit from all media. If the killer/shooter is non-white, like I already posted, there’s not even any curiosity about them.

        Are you so strung out by too many hits on the zio-pipe that you automatically respond to any view expressed on MW that doesn’t reflect your own with the finesse of a junkyard dog?

      • DaBakr on December 7, 2015, 2:19 pm

        @an

        i’m not longer even sure of the point your trying to make. that a ‘white’ terrorist isn’t treated exactly the same as a terrorist who is presumed to be from a culture outside what the average american considers the majority normative culture. is that shocking? and if farrook and his wife were not killed they could have made a case for themselves [or not] at trial.

        @mrn

        i have absolutely no idea what you are ranting about. I never claimed that the majority of American mass-murderers were not ‘white’. I just claimed that btchn about the so-called invasion of Farook and wife’s ‘privacy’ had anything to do with their ethnicity. The press would have violated any maniac killers ‘privacy’ if it got them a juicy story. it also seem that by holding off on naming the suspect for as long as possible the obama administration along with his AG took into consideration possible public backlash against Islamic immigrants. They met with leaders of the Muslim community well before the press had possession of the photo of Farooks wife. I would say the US msm cuts both ways on how it considers so-called ‘islamophobia’. which is why i claimed the original article was pointless whiny bs

      • annie on December 7, 2015, 2:57 pm

        I just claimed that btchn about the so-called invasion of Farook and wife’s ‘privacy’ had anything to do with their ethnicity……that a ‘white’ terrorist isn’t treated exactly the same as a terrorist who is presumed to be from a culture outside what the average american considers the majority normative culture. is that shocking?

        so which is it dabkr? btchn about the invasion of Farook and wife’s ‘privacy’ had anything to do with their ethnicity.. .. or that a ‘white’ terrorist isn’t treated exactly the same as a muslim terrorist shouldn’t be shocking. pick a side, don’t argue both.

    • traintosiberia on December 8, 2015, 10:54 am

      Muslim dont wait in dread to find out who the shooter is . But they get frustrated when the news like the followings are not covered or mentioned

      -1 http://www.salon.com/2015/12/05/selling_desperate_syrian_refugees_body_parts_for_profit_israeli_man_arrested_in_turkey_for_organ_trafficking/

      2-http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-israeli-bank-hackers-bragged-of-plans-exploits/

      3- http://jimstonefreelance.com/mossadmexico.html

      or 4 fawning behaviors like this not dissected to expose the rotten entrails inside the brain of the nasty psychopath -http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/huckabee-draws-cheers-fundraiser-west-bank-settlement/story?id=35615831

  4. Herchel on December 6, 2015, 4:56 pm

    Please…

    The ability of the press to access the homes of these terrorist was not a result of selective reporting but the incompetence of the Justice Department and law-enforcement by failing to secure that as part of the crime scene. I’m quite sure that if they were allowed to do so, the media would also have sent Cameraman into the houses of Adam Lanza and other schizophrenics who committed mass shooting for reasons unrelated to Islam.

    Of course there is a double standard here. Anyone with a brain can see it. Despite the overwhelming amount of evidence proving that these two terrorists were motivated but their Islamic faith, The liberal, supposedly Jewish controlled, media has bent over backwards to try to whitewash this. Major news outlets tried to connect it to a nearby Planned Parenthood, they tried to say it was workplace violence, they even tried to suggest that perhaps the female terrorist was suffering from postpartum depression.

    Rather than calling it what it is and standing up like a leader should, your joke of a president is dodging the obvious and trying to use this as a foothold on a call for gun control. Similarly, the attorney general of the United States has vowed to crack down as a result of this… But not on further acts of terror but rather those who have the unmitigated audacity to speak out against like minded radical Muslims.

    If MW actually had any credibility, the audacity to claim that the bias in the coverage of this terrorist attack has is anything other than pro-Muslim would cause that to evaporate.

    The Hamas/CAIR press conference – how hilarious watching the brother in law’s handlers jump out in front of him when he was getting off script.

    Yes, there is double standard but the Muslim terrorists have have been the beneficiaries… At least up until this point. MW and the liberal media and the other Muslim apologists are totally over playing her hand on this one and even those who have previously been on the fence are going to open their eyes up to radical Islam.

    • a blah chick on December 6, 2015, 6:36 pm

      Apparently only two maybe three of the over 350 mass shootings in the US were committed by Muslims, so how is “radical Islam” a problem?

      But thank you for weighing in on the “Hamas/CAIR” presser. Good to see how you manage to stay on script.

      • DaBakr on December 6, 2015, 7:40 pm

        @abc

        i would tell you that many of your well meaning neighbors in US are simply not educated very well and especially about all the different religions there are. it is hard to blame the citizens of the US for rushing to conclusions about their ‘arabic-looking/arabic sounding named’ neighbors who are living the American dream and suddenly they are tactically armed killers any more then the so-called ‘arab-street’ jumps to conclusions every time a catastrophe occurs and they assume it is Zionists. Its about the education. You already know this but probably have a different answer where Israel is concerned . But still. Consider yourself lucky you have an education.

    • peeesss on December 7, 2015, 3:09 am

      Re DB; “if some lubovitchers in brooklyn started shooting up manhattan you don’t think their religion would be fair play? -. I don’t know about Brooklyn or Manhattan but in Israel when some Luboviitchers and /or “extremist” religious Jewish settlers torch, burn, torture , murder, Palestinian children, including sleeping babies their religion doesn’t appear to come into play.

      • Citizen on December 7, 2015, 8:47 am

        The reference was in the contrast between national public news lamenting pedophile priests in contrast to the, at most, very local coverage of the pattern of pedophile orthodox rabbis.

      • DaBakr on December 7, 2015, 2:24 pm

        @p
        the NYT and the JP both refer to the Israelis arrested today as “Jewish extremists”. Jews aren’t so sensitive about terminology as Muslims evident;y because nobody is raising a stink. Obama-who won’t call the SB killings ‘islamic extremism’ has no problem calling out ‘jewish extremists’ either. so you obviously don’t know from what you are writing about.

        @an
        are you cl;aiming that the percentage of pedophilia rabbis compares to the percentage of pedophilia in the catholic church? And while that may very well be the case-the fact that Jews represent barely 2% of the US population why should their pedophilia be reported on any more then other minority religious pedophila. The catholic church was a HUGE international scandal thats coverup went all the way up the chain to near pope. pretty big scandal. I am sure that pedophiles run through all religions in fairly low %’s just like they do in general populations. So the press the brooklyn Jews got was most likely fair.

        Other then that I don’t get the point. everybody I know has read about the pedophile rabbi, the peeping tom rabbi and the murdering rabbi from CherryHill, USA. If its a good story-its published. Very bad Jewish rabbis make for good press in US, do they not…

      • bryan on December 8, 2015, 7:09 am

        Just to quibble, DaBakr, on the prevalence of paedophiles within the clergy / rabbinate – you miss an important point by not focusing on Orthodox and more conservative strands of Judaism. The ministry (of all religions and all branches of religion) may attract a disproportionate number of repressed, confused, ambivalent characters not strongly integrated into secular civil society, but on the religious right this is surely exacerbated by the all-male establishment, the comprehensive and all-encompassing “spiritual” role (including the frequent direction of congregants as to how to cast their ballots) and the lack of clearly defined codes of conduct for ministers, complaints procedures for aggrieved congregants, and transparent investigation processes when ethical standards lapse.

        Contrast this with modern education facilities, where problems on an even greater scale may have existed in the past (especially in elite all-male fee-paying English “public” schools): single sex schools are far less numerous (justifiably, because of bullying and abuse they attracted); even where they persist the staff is increasingly mixed by gender, appropriate behaviour is clearly defined, and background checks against sex-offenders registers are routine, even for employees not having direct contact with children. Even adult staff members entering into consenting relationships and conducting these on school premises are frequently dismissed.

        Add to this a crucial factor that the right-wing religions are increasingly at odds with the spirit of the times and feel vulnerable and under-fire in a secular world, and two addition ingredients are added to the mix: the deference and refusal to make a fuss on the part of the abused and their fellow congregants, and the readiness of the spiritual authorities to sweep things under the carpet, rather than attract adverse publicity.

        So it seems to me an other example of whataboutery, when you apparently rejoice in the HUGE international scandal affecting the Catholic church, rather than recognise the institutional similarities between Orthodox and Catholic.

    • annie on December 8, 2015, 8:48 am

      the attorney general of the United States has vowed to crack down as a result of …. those who have the unmitigated audacity to speak out against like minded radical Muslims.

      do tell. i must have missed that news.

  5. scott9854958 on December 6, 2015, 6:06 pm

    The poor dears, being doxxed and “othered” like that.

    This reads like something from an Oberlin College sophomore.

  6. JLewisDickerson on December 6, 2015, 8:42 pm

    Cancelling my cable TV service was the best decision I’ve ever made! Although I bought a good antenna for the roof, it has been years since I actually turned on a television (except to stream Netflix/YouTube or watch DVDs/Blu-rays).

    • Citizen on December 7, 2015, 8:53 am

      So you don’t get to watch Morning Joe, Wolf, Hannity, Matthews, etc do their lightweight gossip, each lying constantly by context omission to keep their jobs? It’s fun to watch as they all go just as far as you thought they would in exposing root causes on any issue, but especially the I-P-Israel Lobby issue.

      • JLewisDickerson on December 7, 2015, 6:34 pm

        Exactly! Even after I cancelled the cable TV, for a while I turned on a couple of the evening news broadcasts (while doing stuff on the computer) just to see what kind of obnoxious swill they were dishing out to the great unoverwashed masses. ABC World News Tonight was usually a real hoot – especially their “that’s real money” reports. Also, they would use even the flimsiest excuse to send their “glamour boi” David Muir out to truck with the common folk. How hilarious!
        After doing this for a while, I just got to the point where I couldn’t take it anymore.

  7. RobertB on December 6, 2015, 9:23 pm

    But they’re Muslims!

    Terrorists Slaughter’ Nothing New, but Certain Acts Inspire Mindless Panic and Threats to Freedom, Others Mindless Defense of the 2nd Amendment

    Sun, 12/06/2015

    by: Dave Lindorff

    “A staggering 168 people, 12 times as many as those killed earlier this week in San Bernardino, and including a whole daycare center class of 15 little children, were killed by a crazed terrorist in the 1995 Oklahome City truck-bombing of the Murrah Federal Building. The killer, Timothy McVeigh, was a right-wing Christian fanatic who wanted to avenge the killing of a bunch of Christian cultists in Waco, Texas by federal agents two years earlier. His accomplice Terry Nichols had the same deranged goal.

    Although there are plenty of right-wing and fanatic Christian nut-jobs in the US, somehow Americans get on with their lives and don’t worry over-much about being the victim of one of their attacks, though they happen often enough. Just recall the slaughter earlier this year of nine parishioners of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina by 21-year-old white supremacist Dylann Roof, who was hoping to ignite a race war, or nut-job Adam Lanza, who killed 26 people — 20 of the schoolchildren, in the Sandy Hook School massacre.

    Such terrorist killings in the US are actually pretty common, sometimes involving just one victim, as in the case of the murder of Dr. George Tiller, an abortion provider in Kansas shot point blank in the head by a Christian anti-abortion wacko as Tiller stood handing out programs in the foyer of his church. Maybe such terrorist actions are not as common as run-of-the-mill mass slayings by people who simply slip a cog when life gets too hard for them and — America being the land of the almost free gun –they grab a weapon or two and some boxes of cartridges from the local gun shop, and go out to cause mayhem en route to a suicide by cop, or by their own bloody hand. But they’re frequent enough.

    Given this uniquely violent American reality, why has everyone gotten so freaked out by the San Bernardino shooting, in which only 14 people were shot, or for that matter by the Boston Marathon bombing, which killed just three people (admittedly seriously injuring dozens more)?

    Awful as this latest mass killing is, and these earlier ones, let’s admit that as far American mayhem goes, they have not been particularly big deals.”

    Click on link below for the rest of the details:

    http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/2937

  8. on December 6, 2015, 10:33 pm

    It is rather sad to see MW readily accepting the MSM narrative on the shooting incident, even when are numerous conflicting reports that dispute the facts presented in them.

    There were 3 heavily built, white gunmen complete with body armor seen at the shooting location, as reported by multiple unrelated individuals through Twitter and Facebook. On the other hand, the fact that the shooter was a Muslim of South Asian descent is only pushed by the media themselves, with as of yet no corroboration from members of the public at the scene.

    Lots of holes in the media narrative on the shooters possible motives as well, like he being part of ISIS when no definite proof has been shown that he was. He was not a loner ostracized by his co workers either, they knew of his family well and even held a baby shower for him just a few months back.

    MW, you often callout the media, rightfully so, for being untruthful and sometimes plainly deceitful when they discuss the topic of IP. Why are you then, in light of the multitudes of false and inaccurate reports released by the MSM prior, choose to accept this story blindly without disputing any of its contents?

    • annie on December 7, 2015, 12:55 am

      even when are numerous conflicting reports that dispute the facts presented in them.

      There were 3 heavily built, white gunmen complete with body armor seen at the shooting location, as reported by multiple unrelated individuals through Twitter and Facebook.

      4tech, no source link? do tell. some tweets and FB posts will do.

      • on December 7, 2015, 1:17 am

        Here are some from non private sources I could find

        https://www.facebook.com/jo.thomas.5811/posts/10154365472974606?pnref=story

        https://www.intellihub.com/eyewitness-terror-attack-three-tall-white-men/

        The mentions of the coworkers throwing him a baby shower comes from my private feed, but I’ll try to get a link to a public post regarding it asap.

      • annie on December 7, 2015, 7:07 am

        oh my. ms abdelmageed’s recollections present a tad of a problem don’t they?

      • on December 7, 2015, 8:09 am

        All state-linked institutions of USA are rotten deep to the core, and are full of lies and deceit not really different from its client state, Israel. I wonder if when the truth finally catches up, will the white supremacist state still exist under the weight of all its lies?

      • RoHa on December 7, 2015, 8:13 am

        Don’t worry, Annie. That interview, and possibly Ms Abdelmageed, will disappear soon.

      • RobertB on December 7, 2015, 11:27 am

        Here is a short video

        Two Eyewitnesses Affirm CA Shooters were 3 WHITE MaleS

        http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1095786/pg1

      • amigo on December 7, 2015, 1:09 pm

        “I wonder if when the truth finally catches up, will the white supremacist state still exist under the weight of all its lies?”a4tech

        You mean both white supremacist states , surely.

      • on December 7, 2015, 1:57 pm

        You don’t really need to wonder on the future of the Israeli state, the writing is on the wall with bolded all capital letters. The racist sociopaths are not the majority in Israel, and many Israelis themselves are well aware of the flaws of Zionism and reject the state aspirations as proposed by the right wing Likud party. Most importantly, the majority simply don’t want to hate anyone as a prerequisite to their personhood, be that Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians or any other anti-Zionist groups. Only a small but loud minority are driving the current policies of the state.

        The reason they are able to do so against the domestic opposition, the interests of all of their neighbouring countries and also the global consensus is simply because the USA finds them useful for its need and wants in the Middle East. USA goes, Israel as we know it will go with it the very next day. The racist genocidal Zionists of Israel would then be transformed to being just racists, as per usual for any population of any country to have and bear through.

      • Mooser on December 7, 2015, 4:30 pm

        “Only a small but loud minority are driving the current policies of the (Israeli ed.) state.

        Ah, that must be it. A “small, but loud minority” are driving the current policies. And here I, or we am, or are, (as the case may be) trying to oppress, to all but wipe out, a “small minority”. I feel terrible. I never thought I was that kind of a person.

      • YoniFalic on December 7, 2015, 7:20 pm

        @a4tech

        On what basis do you make the following claim?

        The racist sociopaths are not the majority in Israel, and many Israelis themselves are well aware of the flaws of Zionism and reject the state aspirations as proposed by the right wing Likud party.

        Before I woke up to the facts during Operation Cast Lead, I was certainly a racist sociopath as were practically all the students at Blich.

        My family invariably voted for left/labor Zionist parties, but all these parties were and remain racist and sociopathic to the core. My sister may still vote such parties, but she is a racist sociopath to the core thanks to social indoctrination.

      • bryan on December 8, 2015, 7:51 am

        a4tech _ “many Israelis themselves are well aware of the flaws of Zionism and reject the state aspirations as proposed by the right wing Likud party.”

        I’d love to be reassured by you, but can you please provide any concrete evidence? Conscientious objectors in Israeli society seem to be all the time more reviled as traitors, the number of those prepared to stand up and protest at extremism seems steadily to dwindle, attacks on the Supreme Court (inadequate though it is), the rule of law, the role of NGOs, the independence of the press seem only to increase, the parties choose ever more right-wing candidates, and the electorate returns ever more right wing parties. Netanyahu, utterly obnoxious though he is appears even more obnoxious rivals waiting in the wings to replace him. Any pretence that Israel seeks peace has been dropped and the settlers have won the day.

        Let’s provide simply one dramatic example of this descent into hell: the Bus 300 affair of 1984 when Shin Bet executed two hi-jackers following their capture, amid a typical pattern of lying testimony and military censorship. But it was followed by an outcry from the public, led to the resignation of the Attorney General and the head of Shin Bet, and the Landau Commission to investigate Shin Bet procedures. No such scandal could occur today and Israelis routinely applaud the execution of “terrorists” and even alleged terrorists or even condone the killing of non-terrorists when hysterical by-standers over-react.

      • on December 8, 2015, 9:18 am

        Bryan, how would you go about proving if a large section of population are racist or not? That makes no sense. However, I agree the number of hardcore racists are growing towards a critical mass, which is really to be expected. The state nurtures and feeds to growth of this particular section of society to grow at unnatural levels, with help from the USA through its political, military and economic support. That doesn’t mean the normal, rational and generally peace seeking part of the population gets cannibalized by the racists and disappear into nothing.

        They are also in a way victims of this conflict, with their voices and political will drowned among the raging hatred of the right-wing, and being held in hostage by nation who barely represent them in any way except through appropriation of their religion and ethnicity.

        The racist Zionists in Israel are nothing more than your common psychologically arrested sociopathic racists, the type that pretty much exists in every society in the world. The only difference is these bunch of idiots are being empowered by the sole superpower of the world, hence the catastrophic mayhem currently in and around Israel.

      • Mooser on December 8, 2015, 12:51 pm

        “However, I agree the number of hardcore racists are growing towards a critical mass, which is really to be expected. The state nurtures and feeds to growth of this particular section of society to grow at unnatural levels, with help from the USA through its political, military and economic support.” “a4tech”

        Gee, they’re not doing a very good job, are they?

        I hope the government never “nurtures” me like this!

      • on December 9, 2015, 1:05 pm

        Those articles present recent findings on the mortality status of white men in the USA. How on Earth are these in any way related to the point(s) I made?

      • on December 9, 2015, 1:12 pm

        4tech, no source link? do tell. some tweets and FB posts will do. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/standard-muslim-shooters/comment-page-1#comment-814357

        How about the lack of tweets or facebook posts that describe the shooter as a dark skinned South Asian Muslim, as the shooting took place? Especially considering the widespread use of smartphones and 24/7 internet connectivity, not to mention that we are in the era of social networking and citizen journalism?

      • Mooser on December 9, 2015, 2:21 pm

        “How on Earth are these in any way related to the point(s) I made?” “a4tech”

        You aren’t making “point(s)”. You are trying every sort of diversion and blind you can think of. It’s absurd, and ridiculous.

  9. tokyobk on December 6, 2015, 10:57 pm

    I think one standard would be great and should apply universally.

    But that means everybody’s goose and every one else’s gander.

    Very few people, on any side of an issue can resist the urge to apply a different standard to those they know in their hearts and minds are simply wrong.

    My feeds are filled with people who bristle at any implication of connection with their causes and their fringes and yet assume such connections as a starting point when it comes to their opposition.

    • annie on December 6, 2015, 11:50 pm

      Very few people, on any side of an issue can resist the urge to apply a different standard to those they know in their hearts and minds are simply wrong.

      not sure i agree with you here. i try to think the best of mankind. therefor i think the majority of people would agree to certain rules of decency. like naming and blaming the children of criminals. outing them at their schools and shaming them. posting their photos in the paper. i think most americans would agree with that no matter how much they think the parents are wrong.

      My feeds are filled with people who bristle at any implication of connection with their causes and their fringes and yet assume such connections as a starting point when it comes to their opposition.

      that’s a reflection of your feeds. i think if there is evidence a parent of a terrorist has abused their child an argument could be made they are fair game. but otherwise it is painful for a parent to find out their child is a murderer and a personal loss. i don’t agree about extending shame thru relatives. nobody invaded the house sen. gifford’s assailant and shamed his mom. this is not normal behavior for press. or the colorado school shooting, the boys parents were not fair play. i personally cannot think of any american i may detest, like the killer of Deah Shaddy Barakat, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha, and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha in chapel hill. who are the parents of Craig Stephen Hicks? did anyone ever ask? do i care? would i want the mothers name or drivers license and address shown on tv? that’s insane. i think most people would agree. only when there’s a climate of mass hysteria like this pervasive islamophobia permeating the mainstream do people accept such actions as acceptable. otherwise it’s not accepted normal behavior.

      possibly in certain fundamentalist religious community where shunning is a way of life would the family be included perhaps, but otherwise, no. not for average americans.

      • tokyobk on December 7, 2015, 1:11 am

        Annie — I would love to be optimistic. You may be right and I hope you are.

        I meant much more generally. People who think extreme behaviours in their own group are an aberration but representative of the groups they oppose.

        It is true this is reflective of my feeds. I follow a wide range of people.

      • annie on December 7, 2015, 1:45 pm

        well — more generally — i believe most people everywhere are decent human beings. of course there are exceptions in exceptional circumstances which are always occurring throughout history. but at any given time i still think most people are decent.

        i do happen to think the incredible rise of these fanatical leaders in israel represents one of those exceptional times in history. but it was bound to happen since the inception of the state. it can’t go on like this. in the same way slavery has to end, or human trafficing, or any of the evils of mankind, so too colonialism will turn on itself. i’m not sure how but know it will happen.

  10. Kathleen on December 7, 2015, 12:13 pm

    MSNBC Chris Jansing was damn invasive with the male killer’s sister. Did we witness Chris and team do this with the Charleston killers family, Sandy Hook killer, Colorado Springs killer’s family? The double standards are out of control.

    How about when one of the MSNBC reporters ( woman) was in the Mosque asking members about the killer. I believe it was the Iman who said that the F.B.I had shown up at his door knocking and a drawn gun of some kind pointing him in the face. The reporter did not demonstrate any alarm or outrage about this treatment.

    Anyone hear of the F.B.I showing up at any possible pastors of churches that any white killers have attended with a gun drawn?

  11. Kathleen on December 7, 2015, 1:01 pm

    Prof Cole wrote about the double standard the other day
    December 5 2015

    Roof, Dear and Tashfeen Malik: ‘Self-Radicalized,’ ‘Terrorism,’ ‘Lone Wolf’ and Double Standards
    By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) | – – Federal officials are now investigating the San Bernardin0 massacre as an “act of terrorism” rather than just workplace violence. But when Dylann Roof…

    • DaBakr on December 7, 2015, 3:09 pm

      @k

      ….when Dylan Roof…. walked into the church he wasn’t wearing $100s in tactical gear, wired bombs , armed with weapons of war and over 1000 rounds of armour piercing ammo. if that is the ‘new’ workplace violence in the US i guess your in much more trouble then anyone suspects.

      also-as far as I can recall-the guy who shot up the recruiting centers in US has already been long forgotten by press. what I liked reading was about how that communities police and citizens simple decided they would not use the attackers name. period. they would only refer to the victims therby not making any further issue about the killers identity . Its a bit too much to expect for a nation facing continued threats from both ‘lone-wolf’ , deranged and ideologically planned attacks to not focus on what the general masses are concerned with however. MW commenters might consider that they are elevated beyond the point of worrying about Islam but that most other Americans have not been educated about the religion as practiced by most muslims.

      • Mooser on December 7, 2015, 3:57 pm

        “MW commenters might consider that they are elevated beyond the point of worrying about Islam but that most other Americans have not been educated about the religion as practiced by most”

        Sure, “Dabakr”, with ignorance on your side, who can stand in your way?

  12. lysias on December 8, 2015, 11:04 am

    Very disturbing report in today’s Washington Post:

    Fox News reports that a $28,500 deposit was made to Syed Farook’s bank account from WebBank.com on or about Nov.18, about two weeks before the massacre.

    If this is true, it does raise the question of where the money came from. From a foreign terror group?

    • on December 8, 2015, 11:32 am

      Foreign terror group, how cute. More likely the FBI acting as a foreign agent to entrap potential “terrorists” who would prove to be extremely useful for the state to cement its power over civilians and further infringe on the liberty and civil rights of Americans.

  13. lysias on December 8, 2015, 12:57 pm

    More Coalition bombing in Syria on an Assad-regime held site.

    RT: 34 Syrian civilians reported killed in suspected US-led coalition airstrikes. The airstrike was on Monday, yesterday.

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