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  1. pabelmont on January 5, 2016, 10:36 am

    Nailed them!

  2. msmoore on January 5, 2016, 10:40 am

    What about Bernie?

    • Kris on January 5, 2016, 11:42 am

      Here’s a link to the Bernie Sanders’ position statement, just scroll down to “Israel/Palestine:” https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/ . From the position statement:

      The most recent violence in Gaza represented a particularly ugly and violent time in the dispute. Senator Sanders strongly condemned indiscriminate rocket fire by Hamas into Israeli territory, and Hamas’ use of civilian neighborhoods to launch those attacks. However, while recognizing that Israel has the right to defend itself, he also strongly condemned Israeli attacks on Gaza as disproportionate and the widespread killing of civilians as completely unacceptable.

      The U.S. must play a leading role in creating a two-state solution, which will require significant compromises from both sides. The Palestinians must unequivocally recognize Israel’s right to exist, and hold accountable those who have committed terrorist acts. The Israelis must end the blockade of Gaza, and cease developing settlements on Palestinian land.

      Both sides must negotiate in good faith regarding all other outstanding issues that stand in the way of a durable and lasting peace in the region.

      In the meantime, strict adherence, by all sides, to the tenets of international humanitarian law is necessary in order to avoid escalating the conflict yet again.

      Here’s a great interview with Sanders. Asked about Israel, he criticized Netanyahu for the carnage in Gaza: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/bernie-sanders-political-revolution-20151118?page=15

      OTOH, Clinton said that criticizing Israel about the devastation of Gaza was “antisemitic.” http://www.timesofisrael.com/hillary-Clinton-blasts-unfair-world-reaction-over-gaza-cites-anti-semitism-as-factor/ .

      Clinton has also promised to invite Netanyahu to the White House during her first month as President. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/hillary-promises-netanyahu .

      • lonely rico on January 6, 2016, 1:04 am

        Clinton has also promised to invite Netanyahu to the White House during her first month as President

        Her chance to initiate Benji to that old WH specialty – the “Monica slurp”.

      • Atlantaiconoclast on January 6, 2016, 9:53 am

        Why does Bernie think the Palestinians have no right to resist illegal occupation and Jews only colonization?

      • Emory Riddle on January 6, 2016, 10:16 am

        Pathetic and dishonest statement by Bernie.

        The pretense that both sides are equally culpable and that both sides have equal power in the relationship.

        While Israel “has the right to defend itself”, Palestinians “…must unequivocally recognize Israel’s right to exist.”

        Not a word about Palestine’s right to exist. Or right to defend itself against the colonizers.

        Bernie is worse on this than Trump. Let’s be real.

      • Kris on January 6, 2016, 12:17 pm

        @Emory: “The pretense that both sides are equally culpable and that both sides have equal power in the relationship.”

        I don’t see that in Sanders’ position statement. He repeats the “recognize Israel’s right to exist” mantra, but does not say “right to exist as a Jewish state” or “on occupied Palestinian territory.” The Palestinians have already recognized Israel’s “right to exist,” whatever that is.

        Sanders says Palestinians must “hold accountable” those who have committed terrorist acts. OK.

        He says Israelis “must end the blockade of Gaza” and stop building settlements. Is any other candidate saying that?

        Sanders calls for “strict adherence, by all sides, to the tenets of international humanitarian law.”

        Is Clinton calling for Israel to adher to international humanitarian law or to end the Gaza blockade? No. In fact, Clinton says that criticism of Israel’s violations of international law is based on “antisemitism.”

        Emory, you say that Trump is “better” on I/P than Sanders. Could you provide a link to your evidence? I’d like to see it, even though I won’t vote for a Republican.

        My interest is in who will be nominated by the Democrats. If it’s Sanders, I’ll vote for him, since I want real action on climate change and on a national single-payer health care system, expanded Medicare for all. If it’s Clinton, I’ll vote third party. I think Sanders is indicating he’ll be better on I/P. I know Clinton will be horrible. If she is nominated, I will, of course, vote third party in November.

        Isn’t it a better strategy, even for those who will vote third party in November, to help Sanders win the Democratic nomination? Why not try to prevent the nomination of Clinton, who is Israel’s very best friend?

      • echinococcus on January 6, 2016, 12:51 pm

        Come on, Kris. You know that he is pushing the “Israel has a right to defend itself” BS just like the Empress. In fact, he shows a passion that borders hysteria and betrays personal involvement: the guy is a Zionist (of the past-generation genocidal variety, possibly more damaging than the one that Clinton kisses the @$$ of, or a Zionist who talks “leftie” and “liberation” like our own Mr. Green.) I understand that there is not much hope in any direction for people these days but distorting things just because some hope is desperately needed, especially about a declared imperialist like Sanders, doesn’t seem like a solution.

      • Kris on January 6, 2016, 7:51 pm

        @echinococcus: “In fact, he shows a passion that borders hysteria and betrays personal involvement …”

        Do you have any links that support this claim? I have been following Sanders pretty closely for months now, and haven’t seen anything indicating that he “shows a passion that borders hysteria and betrays personal involvement.”

        Sanders does say “Israel has a right to defend itself,” but he also criticized Israel for the carnage in Gaza and he insists that Israel and Palestine should both observe international law. Clinton, OTOH, claims that criticism of Israel’s slaughter in Gaza is based on “antisemitism.”

        If you do have any links to support what you say, please share them.

        Obviously Sanders is not Ralph Nader, but so far I haven’t seen any evidence that any of the other candidates for the Democrats are better than Sanders is on I/P. Sanders was the first Senator to announce that he would not attend Netanyahu’s speech to Congress, and he says that Israel must stop building settlements and violating the law.

        Clinton, OTH, does not even mention the Palestinians. Here is all I can find about I/P on Clinton’s campaign website:

        Strengthen alliances. From the Middle East and Asia to Europe and our own hemisphere, Hillary will strengthen the essential partnerships that are a unique source of America’s strength. That’s particularly true of Israel, which is why Hillary will continue to support Israel’s ability to defend itself, including with Iron Dome and other defense systems. If anyone challenges Israel’s security, they challenge America’s security. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/national-security/

        Clinton says that partnership with Israel is the essential and unique source of America’s strength!!!!!!! And there is no reason even to hope that she doesn’t actually believe such nonsense. Gag.

        I think you are planning to vote third party in November, but why do you think the world will be better off if the major candidates in our admittedly rigged and corrupt election system are Clinton and Trump?

      • Kris on January 6, 2016, 8:12 pm

        @echinococcus: “Come on, Kris. You know that he is pushing the “Israel has a right to defend itself” BS just like the Empress.”

        From the Empress, on her campaign website: “If anyone challenges Israel’s security, they challenge America’s security.”‘

        From the Middle East and Asia to Europe and our own hemisphere, Hillary will strengthen the essential partnerships that are a unique source of America’s strength. That’s particularly true of Israel, which is why Hillary will continue to support Israel’s ability to defend itself, including with Iron Dome and other defense systems. If anyone challenges Israel’s security, they challenge America’s security. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/national-security/ ((my emphasis))

        The Empress does not bother to mention the Palestinians at all.

        I always read and appreciate your comments, echinococcus, so I really hope you will explain why Palestinians or most U.S. citizens will be better off with the Empress as the Democratic candidate.

      • inbound39 on January 6, 2016, 9:07 pm

        How on earth can Israel have the right to defend itself when it is the belligerent,aggressive Occupier acting outside its declared borders using the latest technological military equipment against a primitively armed adversary. Sanders needs to grasp what the casualty count on both sides is telling him. He should also grasp like Clinton should that if Israel was not aggressively ethnically cleansing Occupied Territory and replacing Palestinians with illegal settlers their would be no rockets. If America ceased arming Israel its ability to continue the conflict would be effectively nullified.

      • Kris on January 6, 2016, 10:08 pm

        @inbound39: “How on earth can Israel have the right to defend itself when it is the belligerent,aggressive Occupier acting outside its declared borders using the latest technological military equipment against a primitively armed adversary.”

        Exactly! Israel is NOT “defending” itself against the Palestinians, it is violating international law in a vicious program of ethnic cleansing and racist aggression.

        I think it is okay to say that Israel, like every other country, has “the right to defend itself.” It would be complete political suicide for anyone running for office to say anything else. What matters is how the candidate defines “the right to defend itself.”

        Since Bernie Sanders criticizes and opposes Israel’s illegal actions in Gaza and the West Bank, he seems to be much closer to our point of view than is Clinton. Clinton is Israel’s very best friend, and dismisses criticism of Israel’s massacres in Gaza as “antisemitism.”

      • echinococcus on January 6, 2016, 11:56 pm

        Kris, you may rationalize for yourself your support for one more hope-peddler any which way you wish. Not a good reason for putting monstrous words in my mouth, like a preference for Clinton and Trump. I am only saying there is no difference whatsoever and a fairy-tale BS presidency would not be any improvement over either the Empress or the Donald.
        Add to that the fact that the DNC is not held to designating the candidate who gets most votes at the primary, so it’s not as if I considered a BS presidency a possibility at all –just concerned by its incredibly destructive effect of this mountebank candidacy on otherwise estimable people. Check this out, by the way: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/05/does-bernie-sanders-imperialism-matter/
        Sanders never said anything different than the “liberal” Zionists. Using the “right to defend itself” nonsense **to defend the last massacre of Gaza** with hysterical loss of control is not, repeat not some necessary or defensible dissimulation. He is simply the JPAC Zionist to Hilary’s AIPAC Zionist. As such he is much more dangerous: he may well prolong the Zionist domination considerably.
        Also, I just have no understanding or sympathy for anyone trying to improve the lot of the US middle class (as he admits himself) at the expense of the victims of our imperialism. It’s more than indecent to clamor for better pensions while continuing war of aggression. Any other discussion is outside the domain of MW.

      • Boomer on January 7, 2016, 6:43 am

        re “How on earth can Israel have the right to defend itself when it is the belligerent,aggressive Occupier acting outside its declared borders using the latest technological military equipment against a primitively armed adversary.”

        If only we had politicians and pundits willing to ask this question.

  3. on January 5, 2016, 11:01 am

    Wow, so brave, much satire wow.

    But seriously though, people should stop overpraising this ‘gifted’ cartoonist already, because it is clear the empty praises is going to his head.

    • echinococcus on January 6, 2016, 1:00 pm

      Satire? No, it’s just a photograph. True to life, no retouching.

    • jd65 on January 6, 2016, 2:30 pm

      I’m not familiar enough w/ his output and reception to have much of an opinion on whether he’s “overpraised” or not. But I would say that compared to other pieces I’ve seen by Latuff, this cartoon is lazy.

      • Mooser on January 7, 2016, 3:47 pm

        .” But I would say that compared…”

        Say, “Jons” are you as good as critiquing cartoons as you are at telling the murder of an innocent man from a “terrorist attack on Beersheba”?

  4. Yadja on January 5, 2016, 11:15 am

    Cute but the fact is Hillary is an extension of O and O hates Israel so for the average American we know the difference and by the way the vast majority of Americans do love Israel. We share the same God and the same love of Freedom.

    Next president will once again strengthen our ties with Israel and all our allies in the ME like Egypt.

    • diasp0ra on January 5, 2016, 12:29 pm

      Can you explain to me how Obama hates Israel?

      • Boomer on January 5, 2016, 8:16 pm

        re: “Can you explain to me how Obama hates Israel?” A good question, considering all the things he has said and done to support Israel.

        It has long puzzled me why this notion seems so prevalent among Israelis. At least that’s my impression, from what I read. It may just be a tactic on their part–a power play–like a bargaining position to get more. They seem familiar with that approach. But it may be a sincere belief.

        If sincere, I suppose it might be due to a narcissistic, grandiose view of the deference they deserve. Obama has been polite, and given them all the weapons they need and more, as well as diplomatic cover for all that they do, but perhaps he hasn’t seemed enthusiastic enough to satisfy inflated egos.

        Alternatively, perhaps at some level they feel guilty about building their homes and country by dispossessing and oppressing another people. Anything other than constant, enthusiastic support may threaten a painful awakening of conscience.

        Of course, those possible explanations are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Since I haven’t been to Israel, this is all speculation on my part. No doubt others here know more about the reasons for this common complaint.

      • genesto on January 6, 2016, 12:22 pm

        Obama has no use for Bibi and the Israeli government, but lacks the will to stand up to it unequivocally. Instead, he has picked his spots, so to speak, to fight Bibi. The best example of this is his resisting Bibi, even to the point of embarrassing him, on the Iran nuclear deal. That’s not to defend Obama nor say that Obama hasn’t fallen far short of what we would hope to see from him on this issue. He most definitely has. However, I believe this speaks volumes to the power of the Israel lobby in this country.

    • eljay on January 5, 2016, 12:38 pm

      || Yadja: … O hates Israel … ||

      It could just be that he’s really tired of having to fellate it.

      || … the vast majority of Americans do love Israel. … ||

      This appears to indicate that the vast majority of Americans are:
      – uninformed;
      – hypocrites;
      – hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists;
      – some combination of the above; or
      – all of the above.

      || … We share the same God … ||

      No you don’t.

      || … and the same love of Freedom. … ||

      And apparently the same love of selective injustice and the same hatred of non-Jews.

      • pmb1414 on January 6, 2016, 10:33 am

        eljay ~ Nailed it.

    • amigo on January 5, 2016, 12:47 pm

      “cute but the fact is Hillary is an extension of O and O hates Israel so for the average American we know the difference and by the way the vast majority of Americans do love Israel. “Yadja

      So how come the majority of Americans voted for Obama the Israel hater, twice and may well vote Clinton, (also an Israel hater) in.How does that square with your assertion that the vast number of Americans love Israel.

      Here is what is going on on the real world and you can include America in these seniments.

      “The World Is Sick of Israel and Its Insanities

      Israel is discovering that it’s no longer the center of attention as it always was before.
      read more: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.601243“Haaretz

    • M. Alhammami on January 5, 2016, 1:39 pm

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      Because Palestinians do not share the same God, nor do they love freedom, right?

      • annie on January 5, 2016, 1:44 pm

        i’m fairly certain that’s her position! we do have our limits tho, check this out: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/should-calling-democracy#comment-818556

      • amigo on January 5, 2016, 6:09 pm

        Annie , I believe our little miss nightingale is this person who got drummed out of the US military for posting anti Islamist comments in all the wrong places.

        “On December 4, 2003, Ibrahim Hooper faxed a letter to the office of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, writing, “It is my unfortunate duty to bring to your attention bigoted anti-Muslim comments sent to our office by an officer in the U.S. military.” Hooper then listed several comments by Captain McCall he felt were “Islamophobic.” He closed the fax by writing: “I respectfully request that the extremist and Islamophobic views of this officer be investigated and appropriate action be taken. Thank you for your attention to this important matter.” These were ridiculous comments from a man who has refused to denounce terrorism. Nonetheless, they got the Army’s attention.”

        Her full name is Yadja Mc Call.

        Read all about her here !!.

        http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readARticle.aspx?ARTID=13867

        Let her hang around for a while.I like a little zionist cabaret.

      • annie on January 6, 2016, 11:51 am

        thanks amigo, i read this yesterday when you linked to it, but now given the extended conversation, am i to understand you think this is really the same person or just the same mindset? have you (or ckg via “Newsmax Disqus posts”) actually identified her? i am so low tech i doubt if i could have figured that out. i agree w/you on the cabaret btw, for entertainment value of course.

      • ckg on January 5, 2016, 6:21 pm

        Thanks, amigo. I doubt she realizes that MW commenters–even the usual trolls–are a bit brighter than those on newsmax, beforeitsnews, frontpagemag, fixthisnation, jihadwatch, etc.

      • amigo on January 5, 2016, 6:31 pm

        “Thanks, amigo.” ckg

        It took me all of 5 minutes to come up with the goods on this toxic hate filled piece of work.Not very intelligent for an Officer , is she.On the downside , she is married to someone with an Irish name ,likely no longer the case.

      • ckg on January 5, 2016, 6:35 pm

        amigo, yes. I linked to her Newsmax Disqus posts below–but they are just the tip of the iceberg.

      • amigo on January 5, 2016, 7:16 pm

        Correction to above post.

        Her correct name is , Captain Edwina (tiger ) Mc Call.

        Yadja is obviously the name she is trying to hide behind.

      • ckg on January 5, 2016, 7:30 pm

        Yes, obviously.

      • amigo on January 6, 2016, 12:32 pm

        ” am i to understand you think this is really the same person or just the same mindset? “Annie

        I spent some considerable effort researching her history and am certain she is the same person.

        She , Captain Edwina Mcall , was drummed out of the military where she was a nurse ,( a claim made by this Yadja person , see her profile at MW. http://mondoweiss.net/profile/yadja ) for posting vile Islamophobic comments .CAIR , (Council on America Islamic Relations ) was behind the effort to have her sanctioned and the military was so pissed off with one of their officers acting so carelessly , they decided to dump her.She blames CAIR for her downfall and appears to have spent the last ten years taking revenge against Muslims .

        .
        Btw , on a few sites that I checked , she was posting as “Yadja Mc Call”coincidence —I think not.

      • ckg on January 6, 2016, 2:26 pm

        There’s a thread on Breitbart where commenter Yadja points to the Frontpagemag article and identifies herself as Captain Edwina Tiger McCall. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/04/16/claim-cameron-met-brotherhood-officials-last-year/

      • annie on January 6, 2016, 7:31 pm

        oh thanks ckg, will check out.

      • amigo on January 6, 2016, 2:44 pm

        “There’s a thread on Breitbart where commenter Yadja points to the Frontpagemag article and identifies herself as Captain Edwina Tiger McCall” ckg

        Thanks , I saw that.I wonder if the brave Captain has the courage to return .

    • pipistro on January 5, 2016, 4:16 pm

      “We share the same God and the same love of Freedom”.

      I’m not quite sure about this assumption, namely about what he might think of your alleged freedom. Better ask God – if any – whether he feels comfortable with such ludicrous egocentrism.

    • ckg on January 5, 2016, 5:07 pm

      Yadja has an extensive record of making shockingly bigoted, homophobic, racist and Islamophobic remarks on right-wing websites. Reading her Disqus history is not for the feint of heart.

      • diasp0ra on January 6, 2016, 11:33 am

        Holy crud, that is some seriously toxic material.

        This person thinks she loves freedom?

      • ckg on January 6, 2016, 7:50 pm

        Here’s an excerpt where Yadja discusses Jessie Jackson:

        Yeh right ole Jesse your Black A$$ going to be put as a target along with all those Black A$$es thinking they have protection with the Black O and his minions like Holder…..think again Blackie.
        You gonna get it now all of you watch and see, you will die in the gutter when gunned down in your Hoods, your prostitutes will die with you because cops ain’t coming to your rescue when your daddy beats your meat and good on ya.
        I say take all the illegals and Muslims and throw them in with you and let you kill each other. Your all uncivilized less than animals.

    • Keith on January 5, 2016, 5:07 pm

      YADIA- “We share the same God and the same love of Freedom.”

      Yadia, a word of friendly advice. Sarcasm is extremely difficult to pull off in writing, particularly if read by dull Goyim. Sure, your comment was sufficiently over the top to be clear to those attuned to this form of humor, however, some Mondoweiss readers might not get the sarcasm and actually think that you are serious. Just saying.

    • Marnie on January 6, 2016, 6:20 am

      “O hates Israel so for the average American we know the difference and by the way the vast majority of Americans do love Israel.”

      1. Do you mean President Obama? Do you have proof of this claim?
      2. The average American, far as I can tell, did not elect you to speak for them. I think that would actually be President Obama. Who was elected by the American people. Twice.
      3. The vast majority of the American congress has been bought and paid for by special interest groups to continue to put the desires of this very hostile foreign entity before the needs of their own constituents and fellow Americans.
      4. President Obama as well as other past presidents back to Truman, is “crazy” (as in driven) about “Israel”. Which is not to be confused with love, unless your definition of love is pressure from whichever nagging, screaming, flailing fishmonger who happens to be the prime minister of “Israel” at the time.
      5. “We share the same God…….” Most definitely not. The state of “Israel” doesn’t share a damn thing, land, water, resources or God.
      6. “same love of Freedom”. Like the crazy kind of love of prisons, racism, etc., that “Freedom”?

      Why would the “vast majority of Americans” as you claim, “love” Israel? Seriously woman, what are you putting in your coffee?

      • Marnie on January 6, 2016, 6:41 am

        I did not intend to offend fishmongers!

      • inbound39 on January 6, 2016, 9:19 pm

        The only freedom Israeli’s like is the freedom to steal anyones property and land. Murder and abuse anyone they choose and conduct themselves in anyway they like altering their religious tenets to suit and to enjoy the freedom of total impunity while doing all this. At some point there will be a tremendously loud bang when their humungous bubble bursts.

    • Atlantaiconoclast on January 6, 2016, 9:55 am

      I loathe Obama but have never understood this right wing meme. It is so stupid. Who cares if Obama actually hates Israel. You wouldn’t know it from his policies, which, save for the Iran deal, are always in apartheid Israel’s favor.

    • amigo on January 6, 2016, 2:02 pm

      Yadja AKA Guest/Yadja Mc Call , —how many other names do you post your Islamic hatred under.You got drummed out of the army for your racist bigotry so suck it up and get over it.Nurse—heal thyself.

      Here are some examples of this tiresome toad posting on Breibart.

      ” Guest

      “I welcome anyone who wants to attempt to change my opinions on Islam.

      I am an Army nurse who served in this war and Shield/Storm. I have read the Qur’an and studied the life of Muhammad.”

      Another post!!

      “I am very sorry to hear that. Because too many lies have been told to cover-up the truth about Islam. The first Islamic killing here in America was shortly after I returned home from serving as an Army nurse in this war. The man was a Coptic and he and his family were slaughtered for his speaking out on an International net show called PalTalk, about Islam and Muhammad. Now I know because I was attacked by CAIR while on duty this war and when I came home I spoke and was interviewed by PalTalk and Joe Kaufman, he used to speak on FOX now and again to expose CAIR. I was threatened by Muslims when I spoke on Paltalk and threatened with decapitation. I took it seriously and stopped traveling on speaking engagements for a couple of years.

      My story can be found by going to Google and CAIR attacks Army nurse Andrew Whitehead, War from Within. No Talk Show host in this country, not Hannity, Bortz or Savage would touch it, not Limbaugh, nobody. It had to be told on the net. I had help from the generals downrange, Frank Gaffney and Daniel Pipes. If it had not been for 60 minutes my butt would have been fried. I am Captain Edwina Tiger McCall.”

      And here is real zinger.!!.

      “I too am a huge fan of Stephen Harper and I have had a bad crush on Netanyahu for years. Netanyahu, in my humble opinion, is everything a man ought to be and so much more than most men could ever hope to be.”

      http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/04/16/claim-cameron-met-brotherhood-officials-last-year/

      So you are partial to bald , fat bellied , self indulgent , dishonest war criminals.,Bully for you.

      • MHughes976 on January 6, 2016, 6:00 pm

        The ‘Coptic’ murder to which she refers took place in New Jersey in 2005 and was utterly horrific. The name was Armanious. The wider family blamed the Muslim community in NJ, it would appear, because the father of the family had certainly expressed strongly negative views about Islam. However in 08 ‘physical evidence” was found which led to the confession by and then the conviction of the fsmily’s former upstairs tenant, who appeared to have no Muslim connections, He had joined a conspiracy to rob them. His sentence was 300 years and he appealed without success.

      • amigo on January 7, 2016, 7:55 am

        ” However in 08 ‘physical evidence” was found which led to the confession by and then the conviction of the fsmily’s former upstairs tenant, who appeared to have no Muslim connections, He had joined a conspiracy to rob them. His sentence was 300 years and he appealed without success.”M Hughes.

        Thanks for the clarification.

    • MoCHo on January 6, 2016, 5:32 pm

      Yadja — Clearly SOME Americans (certainly NOT the majority) share with Israeli Zionists hatred of anyone who is “other” than themselves. Perhaps the Zionist accusations against Obama are as much related to his race, as is true for many conservatives/Republicans, as to anything he’s said or done. Or perhaps it’s his name. We know how you hate any names that sound Arabic. Many Americans, however, — including many American Jews — wish Obama had done MORE to distance our country from Israel. He still has a year left; we’re hoping he does something to withdraw the U.S.’s continued, inappropriate, blind support of Israel.

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  6. ckg on January 5, 2016, 1:05 pm

    Tonight PBS documentary show Frontline will broadcast a two-hour special on Netanyahu and the U.S. From its website:

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is one of the most polarizing political leaders on the world stage. His hardline politics on Iran and Israeli-Palestinian affairs have won him both intense support and bitter criticism at home and abroad — all the more so after his dramatic attempt in March to derail President Barack Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran in front of the U.S. Congress. With new waves of violence between Israelis and Palestinians unfolding and Israel-U.S. relations already emerging as a 2016 campaign issue, FRONTLINE presents Netanyahu at War — an epic, two-hour documentary from veteran filmmaker Michael Kirk tracing Netanyahu’s path to power, his combative relationships with multiple U.S. presidents and the implications in America and the Middle East. Netanyahu at War premieres Tues., Jan. 5, 2016 at a special time — 9 p.m. EST/8 p.m. CST — on PBS and online.

    Trailer: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/netanyahu-at-war/

    • ckg on January 5, 2016, 7:09 pm

      Josh Ruebner tweets

      Watch @frontlinepbs tonight 9 EST for #NetanyahuAtWar & follow me for live-tweet commentary

    • Boomer on January 6, 2016, 1:26 pm

      re “Frontline”

      I saw part of it, recorded the rest for later, if I have the fortitude to watch it. I did see the part that quoted Obama as saying something to the effect that he is closer to being a Jew than any President in history (a statement I read about here some time ago) and that it hurts him to be called an enemy of Israel. (I don’t recall the exact language.)

      I have no reason to doubt that he is sincere about that. It explains his actions and inactions regarding Israel/Palestine as well as the influence of big donors. When we talk about regulators being “captured” by the industry they “regulate,” we don’t generally mean that it was an unfriendly capture. It’s often more subtle than that, a shared world view. Something similar applies here, I suspect. Jews recount the myth of escape from bondage in Egypt; African Americans recall the reality of escape from bondage in America. Those shared seders make thematic sense. Fair enough. But it’s a shame that this common viewpoint seems to obscure Obama’s vision of the bondage of Palestinians.

      I recall that a zionist on this site advised us to accept the fact that Obama is a zionist. That is probably true.

      This makes it all the stranger that the “Obama hates Israel” meme got started and persists. Earlier on this thread I posed some possible reasons for it, but I don’t pretend to understand it. Is it a just cynical tactical ploy by zionists (like calling someone antisemitic because they criticize Israel), or does it reflect some psychological issue, whether narcissism or guilt? I hope someone can enlighten me.

  7. italian ex-pat on January 5, 2016, 1:35 pm

    The above cartoon is the perfect illustration of a newly-coined English verb: ‘to out-Israel’.
    As in ” Presidential candidates are desperately trying to OUT-ISRAEL one another (in their quest for the nomination). Be advised, Webster!

  8. hophmi on January 5, 2016, 3:14 pm

    Another dog-whistle cartoon from the antisemitic cartoonist, Carlos Latuff.

    • annie on January 5, 2016, 3:36 pm

      i adore carlos latuff. plus he joins many luminaries of our movement to be chosen by the Simon Wiesenthal Center for their top ten list, a badge of honor in most all circumstances. thanks for the reminder hops.

      • a blah chick on January 5, 2016, 5:30 pm

        Last year the Wiesenthal folks chose the ten worst (best?) anti semites and 7 of the 10 were Jews.

        Can’t wait to see this year’s list!

      • hophmi on January 6, 2016, 12:17 pm

        Of course you do. You agree with his perspective. I wonder if you agree with him when he says that Israel oppressing Palestinians is like the Jews killing Jesus and the Nazis putting the Jews in Auschwitz. Perhaps you’re not offended by those. That’s your white privilege, mam.

      • annie on January 6, 2016, 1:07 pm

        That’s your white privilege, mam.

        uh huh, and carlos latuff is so white privilege man, unlike you or something right? is that your new cool code defending zionist crimes now tough dude, white privilege? scary — my knees are bucklin’ and i’m sweatin’ bullets. because, like, everyone knows jews are not white privileged in american society, heck no. not like the other white people, or something. you just keep peddlin’ that little theory hops. that way you can stand on the side of the oppressed – like the other zionists who support apartheid. un huh.

      • hophmi on January 6, 2016, 2:42 pm

        Jews aren’t white, Annie. They’re a multiracial group. Jeez. You really are ignorant.

      • hophmi on January 6, 2016, 2:45 pm

        “But Arabs are not alone: some European and American cartoonists use similar images, with the Brazilian Carlos Latuff drawing, without inhibition, on judeophobic stereotypes in the service of the anti-globalisation movement.”

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/18/israelandthepalestinians-pressandpublishing

        You’re into Judaeophobic stereotypes. Just own up to it.

      • Kris on January 6, 2016, 4:42 pm

        @hophmi: “I wonder if you agree with him when he says that Israel oppressing Palestinians is like the Jews killing Jesus and the Nazis putting the Jews in Auschwitz…”

        “Like” does not mean “same,” hophmi. Like means “similar to” or “resembling.”

        Obviously, Israel oppressing Palestinians is like Jews killing Jesus, the Nazis putting Jews in Auschwitz, the KKK lynching black people, the U.S. dropping the bomb on Hiroshima, the slavers capturing native peoples to sell them, etc.

        All of these things are alike: innocent people were harmed by people who had something to gain by doing so.

        BTW, why do you say “the Jews” when really it should be “Jews,” since not all Jews were involved in this crimes?

      • echinococcus on January 6, 2016, 4:52 pm

        Hophmi,

        A rabid Zionist know-nothing quoting an ardently Zionist newspaper doesn’t change Latuff’s character. He is taking on you guys and those who lick your… boots, so as the accused party you are even less believable than usual.

      • annie on January 6, 2016, 6:13 pm

        Jews aren’t white

        in the US about 90% of them are as white as i am. why don’t you list for us all the privileges white people have in this country that you don’t hops. that would be very entertaining.

      • Mooser on January 6, 2016, 8:22 pm

        ” is that your new cool code defending zionist crimes now “

        Good Lard, “Hophmi” is taking over where “a4tech” left off!

      • annie on January 6, 2016, 8:23 pm

        argh — shh. it’s a new hasbara angle. haven’t quite got a handle on the logicalese aspect of it yet, as so far as it pertains to the conversation.

    • Mooser on January 5, 2016, 6:55 pm

      Another dog-whistle cartoon from the antisemitic cartoonist, Carlos Latuff.

      • annie on January 6, 2016, 6:21 pm

        mooser, i think your embeds will be lost on hops.

      • Mooser on January 6, 2016, 7:56 pm

        “mooser, i think your embeds will be lost on hops.”

        No he will never understand that I am his eager chosid, ever ready to shine a light under his bushel.

      • hophmi on January 7, 2016, 8:26 am

        I thank Mooser for reminding us of how frequently Mondoweiss and its peanut gallery trade in Judaeophobic stereotypes.

      • eljay on January 7, 2016, 8:56 am

        || hophmi: I thank Mooser for reminding us of how frequently Mondoweiss and its peanut gallery trade in Judaeophobic stereotypes. ||

        Mooser, I think hophmi’s sweet on you. With anyone else he’d have hurled accusations of anti-Semitism and “Jew hatred”, but with you he coos “Judaeophobic”. ;-)

      • Mooser on January 7, 2016, 3:44 pm

        “I thank Mooser…frequently…trade in Judaeophobic stereotypes.”

        By linking to your archive? Get help, “Hophmi”

      • Keith on January 7, 2016, 5:33 pm

        MOOSER- “Get help, “Hophmi”

        Hophmi is a dealer in labels. Anti-Semite. Judeophobe. Trope. Holocaust denier. Blood libel. Obtuse, etc. He doesn’t make any money because he supplies them for free. And if he can’t make them fit he will do minor alterations. It is his vocation!

    • DavidDaoud on January 9, 2016, 9:41 am

      I ditto what Annie said.

  9. JLewisDickerson on January 5, 2016, 4:15 pm

    RE: “The candidates debate the U.S./Israeli relationship”

    MY COMMENT: Quintessential bootlickers the presidential candidates might well be, but hopefully they will draw the line at fellating a donkey!*

    * SNL cuts sketch in which GOP senators ask Chuck Hagel to fellate donkey – http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/10/snl-cuts-sketch-in-which-gop-asks-chuck-hagel-whether-hed-perform-oral-sex-to-help-israel-video/

  10. ritzl on January 6, 2016, 5:32 pm

    Did anyone see Frontline on PBS last night? Kinda fleshed out the cartoon in documentary format related to the Iran deal. Portrayed total subservience by US policymakers to a tiny psycho country half way around the world (quelle surprise…) and the incredibly sickening/arrogant presumption, by Israelis, that their country has a right to equal say/partnership in setting US foreign policy.

    I hope tens of millions of people watched it and were disgusted.

    The only question is, given the obvious and cloyingly insistent incessant assertion of this “right”, does Frontline use the Israeli assumption of undeserved parity to disgust, or do they simply view it as the unremarkable order of things.

    • ritzl on January 6, 2016, 5:49 pm

      Sorry ckg. Didn’t see your comment.

      It was an interesting documentary.

    • annie on January 6, 2016, 5:54 pm

      yes i saw it ritzl, i thought a lot of it was bs framing of netanyahu coming to DC. and while it claimed to be about him, there was a lot of propaganda crammed into that hour. i fell asleep, don’t recall the ending. but i do remember many times thinking, ‘well that was slick’. as time goes by and it slips from memory that show and it’s framing will remain. it had some truth to it for sure, but mostly, i was unimpressed. there was a lot of poor israel sitting in a sea of terrorists vibe about it. i’d have to see it again, maybe i’d have a different recollection. but didn’t they slide ’67 in there as if israel didn’t initiate the attack? there was a bunch of revisionist history if i recall.

      kind of a one stop shop of US/Israel peace deal history w/a lot of shavits and israeli perspective and not much palestinian perspective. too much poor bibi action for my taste.

      • ritzl on January 6, 2016, 6:51 pm

        Yeah. All that for sure. My overall takeaway was that the stench of ultimate subservience was remarkably well documented (particularly the observation, which we all know, that US blood was EXPECTED, by Israel, to be shed in support of their unprovoked and unwarranted attack on Iran).

        I hope others, especially noobs, got the same nose-full. It’s there to be whiffed. Not only the usual Israeli suspects spouting off about, “He didn’t treat us as equals as is our due. Therefore he hates us. Therefore we hate him.”, but all the usual US suspects smirk-nod-winking their concurrence. Dennis Ross going so far as to say it was his recommendation that Obama had to apologize to B-NET for raising the universally accepted “67 borders as starting point” and being insulted by B-NET’s public, lengthy lecture in the Oval Office about why Israel was never going to start there.

        It was interesting also that Diana Buttu and [just] one of Obama’s NSC advisors (McDonough?) were the only ones to make completely reasonably sense in contrast to the Netanyahu and Israel sycophants who made up the rest of the piece. It wasn’t enough quantity of sense to make a big contrast, but it was there for normal/interested people (e.g. 66% of Democrats and 28% of Republicans according to Shibley Telhami’s latest poll responding Agree or Somewhat Agree to a “Too much Israeli influence in US government?” question) to note.

        So like you said, a lot of retch-worthy biz-as-usual. But that may also be seen as equally retch-worthy overreach, particularly peppered with contrasting snippets of sense as it was in the piece.

      • annie on January 6, 2016, 7:05 pm

        oh yeah, dianna buttu was really good. i’m always impressed w/her. i need to watch it again. can someone put a fork in ross? finally?

    • Bumblebye on January 6, 2016, 7:50 pm

      One of mw’s ziocommenters has described it (approvingly) elsewhere as being very reminiscent of Oren’s recent book. That instantly puts me off.

      I much preferred Stephen Sackur hauling Nir Barkat over hot coals (well, as much as the bbc can!) in HardTalk:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dn2y5

    • Boomer on January 6, 2016, 8:44 pm

      re “Frontline”

      Yes, I saw part of it . . . as much as I could stomach for one night. The rest I have recorded for later, when and if I’m up to it. I made a few comments prompted by it earlier in the thread, but nothing profound.

    • ckg on January 6, 2016, 9:49 pm

      I only watched the first half because my blood pressure was rising too high. But I intend to finish watching online at pbs.org.

    • ritzl on January 7, 2016, 8:39 pm

      Hey guys. I made myself sit through it because this is an egregious situation and I was curious if Frontline was going to help solidify it or ask some questions/pose some contrast to make viewers question the “rightness” of it all.

      I think the did the latter somewhat but as you all say it’s tough to sit through it to get a sense one way or t’other.

      I only asked because the/any discussion of the nature of the “special relationship” (what does “special” really mean anyway…) has long been exorcised from US MSM to places like here. Here (and elsewhere) the discussion has strengthened and focused and imho it seeping back into MSM – however slowly. Frontline is kinda my test of the permeability of MSM and if they show little seams of sense and rationality then the discussion may well be moving back into MSM. Slowly.

      I think some small seams of questioning sense were in that piece. Or maybe a better way is to ask how some random person feel about watching the US Pres get led around by a nose ring for an hour and a half.

      IDK. Maybe nothing.

      Cheers.

    • DavidDaoud on January 9, 2016, 9:58 am

      An inside look at Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s political rise and his relationship with the U.S.

      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/netanyahu-at-war/

  11. Qualtrough on January 7, 2016, 1:24 am

    @ Annie – Now that Hopfmi has discovered ‘White Privilege’ I suspect he will soon be complaining about micro-aggressions and asking for trigger-warnings on posts that criticize Israel.

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