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As the fallout continues after Jewish fundamentalists firebombed the sleeping Dawabshe family in their home in the occupied West Bank last June, Israeli commentators have begun to compare the Jewish State to ISIS.

Liberal Zionist and Ha’aretz columnist Asher Schechter recently wrote a piece entitled “Meet Judeo-ISIS: The Inevitable Result of Israel’s Presence in the West Bank”. No major critic of Israel himself, former Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Arens wrote an article called “The Jewish Equivalent of ISIS.”

But the comparison had been drawn more than a year before. Speaking to the European parliament, Max Blumenthal coined the term JSIL (Jewish State in Israel in the Levant). Shortly after, Blumenthal, Rania Khalek and I launched the JSIL hashtag on Twitter with a series of tweets drawing parallels between the self-proclaimed Jewish and Islamic states.

The parallels we drew struck a major chord among supporters and detractors alike, and the hashtag took on a life of its own. Media outlets in Israel and the US disparagingly covered the JSIL hashtag. Ha’aretz’s Alison Kaplan Sommer wrote “There’s a new ugly hashtag in town.” Yair Rosenberg, who writes for Tablet Magazine and volunteers to edit the Israeli government’s English-language archives, tweeted that comparing between ISIS and Israel is anti-Semitic. New York Magazine called #JSIL “awful.”

But the deadly firebombing last summer has thrust the movement of fundamentalist religious Zionists into the spotlight.

As 18-month-old Ali, his 4-year-old brother Ahmad and their parents, Reham and Sa’ad Dawabshe, slept in their home in the West Bank village of Duma, Israeli settlers threw a molotov cocktail through the windows of their home. Baby Ali burned to death in his room and both parents succumbed to their wounds weeks later, leaving Ahmad as the sole, scarred survivor. Hebrew graffiti spraypainted on the walls outside read “Revenge” and “Long live messiah the king” – slogans of fundamentalist Jewish movements in nearby settlements.

As the spotlight was on the Israeli government, politicians across the spectrum condemned the attack and promised swift action. But weeks passed without any arrests, and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon quietly announced that the government knew the identities of the killers but would not arrest them in order to not divulge their intelligence sources. Since then, the Shin Bet has arrested suspects and obtained confessions through means of torture.

Last week, a video was leaked that has been dubbed The Wedding of Hate, showing a celebration where guests waved military-issued guns and molotov cocktails, and one man stabbed a photo of baby Ali Dawabshe. Once again, the video caused embarrassment to Israeli officials, forcing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to issue a condemnation.

Two days ago, Ha’aretz reported that one of the suspects, whose identity the Israeli government is protecting, will be charged with murder next week. On Tuesday, the Israeli prison service released one suspect and he was greeted with cheers and balloons.

The entire episode revealed a side of Israel that has long been kept under wraps and forced the mainstream to acknowledge it, and thus the appropriation of the JSIL concept.
But no one has condemned Asher Schechter or Moshe Arens for comparing Israel to ISIS, perhaps because the mask has been ripped off and the parallels are now impossible to completely ignore. Unfortunately, Blumenthal, Khalek and myself have been vindicated but it appears that we will not be credited.

Dan Cohen

Dan Cohen is an independent journalist and filmmaker based in Palestine. He tweets at @dancohen3000.

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  1. echinococcus on January 1, 2016, 1:39 pm

    Bless you guys for putting the finger right where it hurts. And thanks from those of us who use it continually for not claiming copyright enforcement.

    • Jackdaw on January 2, 2016, 12:39 am

      @echinococcus

      “Bless you guys for putting the finger right where it hurts.”

      As in, ‘bend over and grab your ankles’?

      • talknic on January 2, 2016, 9:26 am

        Showing us where your head is at Jackdaw?

      • echinococcus on January 2, 2016, 1:46 pm

        Zionist humor? Funny? Are you going to claim it as Jewish humor, as a good little Zionist?

      • CigarGod on January 3, 2016, 1:23 pm

        Do you give a little JackCawf each time you bend over to receive your Hasbara “injection”?

    • Lillian Rosengarten on January 2, 2016, 2:28 pm

      Comparing Israel to Isis ( there is no Jewish State) in my view is irresponsible and further alienates those of us who are speaking out to STOP THE OCCUPATION.

      • annie on January 2, 2016, 3:58 pm

        Lillian, i agree with you that it is alienating. it’s more comforting to think of the radicalized nature of violent Jewish fundamentalists as being somewhat of a fringe element who do not represent the host nation. but they are an outgrowth of the systematic structure underlying the expansion of the state that depends on the occupation – that makes the occupation necessary.

        i recommend this excellent interview of Dr Sara Hirschhorn of the University of Oxford http://fathomjournal.org/ultra-nationalism-settlements-and-jewish-extremism-an-interview-with-sara-hirschhorn/ she addresses “ultra nationalism” as it relates to the settlers but also this:

        I borrowed very heavily from the work of the late scholar Charles S. Liebman who imagined Israeli ultra-nationalism graphed on three axes: territorial maximalism, exclusionary ethno-nationalism and cultural hegemony. In that way he distinguished ultra-nationalists from just plain old regular nationalists, and from right-wing conservatism in the economic and social spheres.

        In some ways I’m just recapping Gush Emunim (Bloc of the Faithful), ‘God, Land and People’ but in a slightly more academic way. Speaking of Gush Emunim, this is really not only the worldview of a Millenarian religious movement who sees biblical imperative to live in the whole of the Land of Israel.

        It is also a phenomenon of secular people sitting in the cafés of Tel Aviv as well as people living in settlements in the occupied territories. Both of these people vote for political parties and subscribe to social movements that support these ultra-nationalist ideas. What I’m trying to argue is that Israeli ultra-nationalism is a broad based phenomenon which isn’t exclusive to religious people or even to those living over the Green Line.

        As the late scholar Ehud Sprinzak once described it: we talk about the iceberg model of Israeli ultra-nationalism. You might see the quintessential knitted kippah of the Israeli settler above the surface, but there’s a much larger population supporting these ideas across Israel both within and over the Green Line.

        and while this may be alienating to good, moderate and liberal people who seek to end the occupation, it’s not just the occupation at the core of the problem, it’s the ideology underlying the perpetuation of it. the exposure of this “ultra nationalism”, is not irresponsible. and it goes hand in hand with the same kind of fundamentalism underlying islamic extremism. and muslims would argue it doesn’t represent islam in a similar way Jews claim violent Jewish fundamentalism doesn’t represent Judaism. But to me, the fundamentalisms look like the same thing. And i really don’t know what to do about that being alienating, it’s not supposed to be comfortable.

      • echinococcus on January 2, 2016, 4:03 pm

        Your protest somehow reinforces the similarity; not only is the connection between the religion and the state similar between ISIS and the Zionist entity (in both cases vehemently denied by the religious, be they Islamic or Jewish), there is in both cases an occupation to be defeated. Why that would be alienating, why and whom it would “further” alienate and what the initial alienation would be all seem like logical questions. After all, the coiners of the term (and a very appropriate one in my view) do oppose the occupation too (at least part of it.)

      • annie on January 2, 2016, 4:29 pm

        Why that would be alienating, why and whom it would “further” alienate”

        echin, while i can’t speak for Lillian i think i understand why it could be alienating. look at what the advent of isis has wrought upon muslims for one thing. even tho i think the islamophobia industry predates isis, the fruits of their labor have flourished in the US as evidenced in this election season. it’s like a full blown campaign of hatred that’s descended on our american muslim and arab communities. and in europe too. this association with isis and islam, and isis’s claim to represent true islam, how is that not a threat to the worldwide muslim community? so associating extreme jewish fundamentalism with judaism — as the extremists certainly do, is threatening to jews. it’s as alienating as isis is to muslims. the difference as i see it, is that israel is protected for their fundamentalism and is not recognized as being institutionally embedded (whereas isis is not sanctioned or recognized as being institutionally embedded — supported by US funding). but actually since they already have a (jewish) state, and a highly advanced militarized one at that, their institutionalized fundamentalism gone unchecked is potentially much more dangerous.

      • gamal on January 2, 2016, 5:42 pm

        oh my God, you bastards are demeaning ISIS by comparing it to JSIL, outrageous, be careful you wouldnt like me when I am Alienated.

        “speaking out to stop the occupation” but continue the colonialism, you policing comparisons now, is Nazi ok they were gorgeous Aryans and not even slightly Arabian,

        Being compared to Arabs, and demented Muslims ones at that, for shame, any Liberal Humanistic Jew is going to revolt, I personally would love to know how I might Alienate you further you seem to deserve it.

        Jerusalem is ours.

      • diasp0ra on January 2, 2016, 5:50 pm

        @Lillian

        I understand your point, honestly.

        Sure, from a purely academic standpoint you could make parallels in some aspects and try to draw similarities.

        But practically? I don’t think it’s a good move. If your goal is to convince people, I don’t think this is the right way to go around doing it. Once people hear you make the comparison, they would dismiss you as an extremist. Or the conversation would turn to the analogy which would be a distraction from the real issues.

        Similar to Nazi comparisons. Moral reasons aside, even if there is hypothetically something that 100% could be said to be the same, it is not of practical use. The discussion would just shift to the accusation and defending yourself from accusations of antisemitism. It diverts from the main topic and ends up alienating a potential ally rather than convincing them.

      • echinococcus on January 3, 2016, 7:15 am

        Annie,’
        It simply doesn’t make sense. Zionists have done way worse than Da’esh, continuously and in plain daylight, for a hundred years, both in the name of a proto-Nazi nationalism and of a religion, and have only gotten success and applause.
        Fearing the reaction that Da’esh gets is absurd, but there’s one possible alienating factor:
        The main similarity between ISIL and JSIL is the following: both are attempting to make a “nation” out of a religion. So the non-religious who say they oppose Zionism but continue to consider themselves part of the “people” are those who should be alienated . They can well use their regional cultural labels to escape that.
        As you so nicely said (in other words), this is not about so-called religious extremists, “settlers” or rabbitollahs but the entirety of Zionist ideology, including nationhood.

    • MaxNarr on January 3, 2016, 12:09 am

      How is it OK? This is wrong just like the holocaust comparisons to the current conflict that are often made on this platform.

      • annie on January 3, 2016, 1:40 am

        and the challenge for you, as a commenter, is to articulate how and why it is wrong. “just like the holocaust comparisons” is not articulation.

      • MaxNarr on January 3, 2016, 10:51 am

        All right, I didn’t think this was necessary but here goes. The holocaust comparisons are wrong because nobody is systematically eradicating Arabs in Judea and Samaria in fact their population is increasing. There are no extermination camps, cattle train cars, gas chambers or forced labor camps. I’m truly sorry ibhad to clarify that but I hope that helps you Annie.

        As for the “JSIL” reference. There are no beheadings, expansionist policies beyond Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, no plan to take over the world and forcefully convert all its inhabitants, no rapings, no forced brides, no media vifeosnof burning victims alive, and the government is democratically elected.

        I’m really sorry I had to spell that out for you Annie. Shame.

      • Mooser on January 3, 2016, 4:15 pm

        “nobody is systematically eradicating Arabs in Judea and Samaria in fact their population is increasing.”

        Well, “MaxNarr” we better start schtupping then, and pretty assiduously!

        “I’m really sorry I had to spell that out for you…”

      • eljay on January 4, 2016, 11:07 am

        I’m surprised to hear him say it, but I get what MaxNarr is saying: Israel shouldn’t be compared to ISIS or the Holocaust because Israel is a unique act of past and on-going evil being committed by Zio-supremacist Jews and the “world’s only Jewish State” and it should be recognized – and vilified – as such.

        Point taken, MaxNarr. Thanks.

  2. phylliprezzel on January 1, 2016, 3:19 pm

    I suggest the hashtag be changed to ZSIL . . . Zionist State in the Levant. What the West Bank occupiers/colonialists are doing doesn’t exemplify the teachings of Judaism.

    • Kay24 on January 1, 2016, 5:59 pm

      Ironically, that is what the Muslims keep saying. That ISIL has hijacked their religion, and that it does not exemplify the teachings of Islam.

    • Susan A on January 2, 2016, 12:46 pm

      It’s true that,
      “What the West Bank occupiers/colonialists are doing doesn’t exemplify the teachings of Judaism” anymore than what ISIL/IS is doing exemplifies Islam. But Israel calls itself the “Jewish State”, hence #JSIL.

      • MRW on January 2, 2016, 4:52 pm

        But Israel calls itself the “Jewish State”, hence #JSIL.

        Agree. You can’t have it both ways. Especially when Jews worldwide are OK with the idea that Israel is their true and natural home, and that all Jews are citizens of Israel no matter where they may live now.

    • tony greenstein on January 2, 2016, 9:01 pm

      But that is the whole point. Most Muslims say the same about ISIS, that it doesn’t represent Muslim theology. The truth is of course that it does represent a certain part of Muslim theology, namely the western sponsored Wahabism of Saudi Arabia.

      Likewise what the ‘hilltop youth’ and the Kahanists represent is a particular brand of Judaism, albeit a much more important segment than that Isis claims to represent. Support for the settlements and support for Israel as the Jewish Apartheid State is widespread amongst Jews and in particular the religious orthodox today. It is not a marginal phenomenon. When Kahane said that Israel could be a democratic state or a Jewish state but not both, he was expressing the truth that Zionism refused to acknowledge. Today it is clear to all but the blind that a Jewish state is a Jewish supremacist state. Jewish theology changes and has changed – for the worse.

  3. hophmi on January 1, 2016, 3:21 pm

    Not at all the same thing, but go ahead and tell yourself that. Israelis are doing what no one else in the region does – being self-critical.

    And let me know when Palestinians start referring to Hamas as ISIS, because their ideology is the same.

    • diasp0ra on January 1, 2016, 3:46 pm

      “And let me know when Palestinians start referring to Hamas as ISIS, because their ideology is the same.”

      Their ideology is nothing alike.

      But I guess ISIS is the new scarecrow that Israel wants to compare the Palestinians to. It has been doing it for decades now with whatever flavor of the month “big threat” emerges.

    • John O on January 1, 2016, 4:04 pm

      So, you’re better than Hamas. Whoopee! When you’re better than Ireland, Italy and Iceland, come back and crow again.

      • gamal on January 1, 2016, 5:33 pm

        ” being self-critical.” not in any way to deny the critical force of deploying the epithet JSIL, many Arabs, Muslims etc are currently engaged in a military contest with ISIS, the criticism is implied, you may have missed it.

        “being self-critical” which is a virtue, right, obviating the content of any “self” criticism, phew eh, that was close. I am often praised for my humility, but only because I am better than others, point taken, is that self criticism the American way, pretty searing but ultimately affirming.

        “being self-critical.”

        my “self” for all its manifest failings has never danced around like a demented demon stabbing a picture of a murdered infant, when it does I will be the first it hears from, trust me.

        “Palestinians start referring to Hamas as ISIS, because their ideology is the same.”

        Always so demanding, but “being self-critical” inevitably involves calling others out, “because their ideology is the same.” apart from criticism there is also “self-education” its often an idea where possible to combine the two, unless your interest is merely in self flagellation, it is of course up to yourself,

        but “”being self-critical.” you look ridiculous when you lash out at others, flagellate yourself if you must but don’t you look upon me.

    • eljay on January 1, 2016, 4:25 pm

      || hophmi: … Israelis are doing what no one else in the region does – being self-critical. ||

      Israelis are a religion? Huh.

      Or are you talking about Jewish Israelis and once again reducing Jewish from a tribe, an ethnicity, a culture, a collective, a people, a nation and a civilization down to just a religion?

      Huh.

    • David44 on January 1, 2016, 4:42 pm

      If Moshe Arens or Asher Schechter criticizing Jewish terrorists is an example of “self-criticism”, then such “self-criticism” is commonplace in the region – see (e.g.), Egyptian critics of the Muslim Brotherhood, or PLO critics of Hamas. (For the latter, see e.g. http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3020.htm – I’m guessing that you regard MEMRI as a reliable source, though not all would be quite so uncritical of it.) Or indeed the Arab and Muslim critics of ISIL itself – far, far too many to count. The Israeli claim to be uniquely self-critical is no less self-serving – and no less false – than other claims made by Israeli propagandists.

      “And let me know when Palestinians start referring to Hamas as ISIS, because their ideology is the same.”

      I can let you know now – it happened (not for the first time) just yesterday. See http://www.vocativ.com/news/266455/palestinians-furious-after-hamas-bans-new-years-parties/. Your apparent expectation that such things could not be readily found merely betrays your profound ignorance of the Middle East.

    • oldgeezer on January 1, 2016, 4:47 pm

      Bollocks hophmi. Your suggestion isn’t worth more than that as a response. ISIS JSIL. two peas in a pod and the apologetics for them will continue to flow freely.

    • Kay24 on January 1, 2016, 6:01 pm

      Is ISIL fighting to be freed from occupation, and have their lands been stolen too?

      • Misterioso on January 2, 2016, 12:04 pm

        Kay24

        BINGO!!!

    • Marnie on January 2, 2016, 3:00 am

      I think there are some Jewish Israelis that are uncomfortable and embarassed, which isn’t at all self-critical. Following right behind any supposed self-criticism is whataboutery “And let me know when Palestinians start referring to Hamas as ISIS, because their ideology is the same” followed quickly by justification and enabling.

      Dan Cohen said it perfectly with “the mask is off”. JSIL is now co-opted by Israeli media and bigshots normalize it and make it warm and fuzzy for for the average, “self-critical” Israeli.

    • Tuyzentfloot on January 2, 2016, 6:42 am

      Not at all the same thing, but go ahead and tell yourself that. Israelis are doing what no one else in the region does – being self-critical.

      I do see that happening. First reporting the event as something that some very extreme people do who are not at all representative for what’s going on in Israel. And then triumphantly highlighting the occasional criticism as a proof of how good Israel is and to show that everything’s fine really. Criticismwashing would be an appropriate name for it. Terrible sounding word though.

    • The Hasbara Buster on January 2, 2016, 6:56 am

      The Russian empire, while instigating pogroms, prosecuted their perpetrators after the fact, sentencing them to short prison terms. Israel does the same: it incites against the Arabs and provides the settlers with all the means to commit acts of terror against them, only reacting when the violence is too gruesome, and then handing the perpetrators light sentences.

    • talknic on January 2, 2016, 9:34 am

      @ hophmi ” Israelis are doing what no one else in the region does – being self-critical”

      I see what you mean

      Denying Israel proclaimed borders. Denying Israel occupies non-Israeli territories. Denying that successive Israeli governments have fomented a climate in which Jewish terrorism has become a daily occurrence in non-Israeli territories. Defying International Law. Defying the UN Charter. Defying numerous UNSC resolutions. Trashing its own Declaration of Statehood. Then crying victim

    • amigo on January 2, 2016, 9:35 am

      “Israelis are doing what no one else in the region does – being self-critical. “hopknee

      One would have to have a heart of stone , not to laugh at hoppy,s assertions.

      Apologies to Oscar Wilde for editing his quote.

    • Susan A on January 2, 2016, 12:50 pm

      ISIS has burnt the Palestinian flag; they hate Hamas because they were democratically elected and want a Palestinian state, both of which are anathema to ISIS/ISIL/IS/Da’esh.

      • Susan A on January 2, 2016, 1:05 pm

        But brilliant @David44 for finding that! I get their point!

  4. Krauss on January 1, 2016, 3:45 pm

    And as always, this kind of analysis is verboten in America, because the lobby always wants to protect Israel at every turn, and by extention, the special relationship.

    • JWalters on January 1, 2016, 4:59 pm

      It’s a firing offense.

    • Citizen on January 1, 2016, 7:37 pm

      Bringing in the new year, Morning Joe had Chaney on, telling us his attack on Iraq was a good thing for Iraqis under Saddam’s thumb, and the Iran Deal stinks, because Iran is priming to kill us all. He was followed by a Jewish American author peddling a book, who reminded us that Auschwitz was the worse thing that ever happened to a people, and that the USA did not at the time go to the rescue of the Jews. He sited an instance showing the Americans knew what was happening at the time.

  5. Mayhem on January 1, 2016, 4:42 pm

    While terrorist attacks galore are happening against Jews in Israel every day the Dawabshe incident is milked for all its worth in a gratuitous attempt to manufacture an equivalent to what is widely manifest in the Muslim world. Waiting to hear the excuses for the latest killings by an Israeli-Arab in Tel Aviv – he was mentally ill, he was a lone gunman, he had nothing to do with ISIS, he was a nice fellow who wouldn’t harm a fly, he was not religuously motivated (he had a copy of the Koran in his backpack but the politically correct Western media don’t mention that) etc.

    • eljay on January 1, 2016, 6:21 pm

      || Mayhem: … Waiting to hear the excuses for the latest killings by an Israeli-Arab in Tel Aviv … ||

      No excuses: Assuming he hasn’t already been assassinated by armed Israeli goons, the criminal must be arrested, charged, tried and, if found guilty, held accountable for his crime.

      Now if only you Zio-supremacists would learn to stop making excuses for the past and ON-GOING (war) crimes committed by your collective and by your oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist state…

    • Kris on January 1, 2016, 6:42 pm

      Should Jews in Israel expect to live in peace and safety while they are destroying the lives of the Palestinians every single day? Doesn’t what goes around, come around?

      Most people understand that if they plant poison hemlock, they should not expect to harvest tomatoes, not even cherry tomatoes. That is, most people realize that we can expect to reap what we sow.

      As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it. –Job 4:8

      For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk; the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up. –Hosea 8:7

      Whether your perspective is religious or not, there is some valuable advice to be found in scripture.

    • Kris on January 1, 2016, 7:28 pm

      @Mayhem: “Waiting to hear the excuses for the latest killings by an Israeli-Arab in Tel Aviv – he was mentally ill, …. he had a copy of the Koran in his backpack but the politically correct Western media don’t mention that.”

      Could you link to the news report that says the attacker was an Israeli-Arab, and that he had a Koran in his backpack? All the reports that I have seen say that the attacker is still at large.

      But addressing your comment, I can think of many reasons why a Palestinian might be in the grasp of murderous rage and despair; oddly, none of these reasons made your list:

      Jewish troops killed his family. Jewish troops tortured him while he was in their custody. Jewish troops humiliated his elderly grandparents or parents one time too many. Jewish troops did a “raid” on his home, terrifying his children, breaking the family’s possessions, destroying the toilet and sinks, and smearing feces on the walls.

      Jewish troops stood by and protected Jewish settlers as they harrassed his children as they tried to walk to or from school. Jewish troops pulled his 12-year-old brother out of bed at 2 a.m. , took him to prison, and tortured and threatened the boy until he signed a confession he couldn’t even read, since it was in Hebrew.

      His wife or sister gave birth at a checkpoint because the Israeli Jewish soldier wouldn’t let her through to get to the hospital; the baby died.

      His family home was destroyed by the IDF because a relative was suspected of attacking a Jew.

      His family was forced out of their home so that a Jewish settler could take it.

      His cousin killed himself in despair because Israeli Jews wouldn’t let him leave Gaza in order to take up the scholarship that he had been awarded at Cambridge University.

      His children are always hungry because Jewish settlers and soldiers destroyed his agricultural land by diverting raw sewage onto his fields, and also cut down the olive trees and fruit trees that his family had cherished for generations.

      His children get sick from polluted water, but it is expensive to buy water from the Israeli company that bottles water that belongs to the Palestinians in order to sell it back to them.

      He believed that the Israeli Jews had harvested the organs of his family member, whose body was not returned to the family for burial after IDF troops shot him down.

      He realized that he and his family have no future or hope for a decent life. He hoped that Israel’s policies might change if Israeli Jews start experiencing the fear that Palestinians live with every single moment, 24/7.

      I could go on and on, there are so many excellent reasons why a Palestinian could snap.

      There are also many excellent reasons why a person might have a copy of the Koran in his backpack, and to imply, as you do, that there is something suspect about being in possession of a religion’s holy book is hateful and nasty.

      • Kris on January 1, 2016, 8:01 pm

        From Al Jazeera: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/deadly-shooting-hits-pub-israel-capital-160101125259031.html

        The suspect has been identified as Nesha’at Milhem, a 29-year-old Palestinian citizen of Israel from Arara, a town in central Israel.

        Local Arabic-language media reports said that Milhem, who did a stint in Israeli prison in 2006, was identified when his father called and informed police after seeing him on television.

        Israel’s Channel 2 also noted that his cousin was shot and killed by a police officer in 2006.

        Rosenfeld said the assailant is still at large and that Israeli police “are searching Tel Aviv”.

      • Marnie on January 2, 2016, 3:03 am

        +++Kris

    • zaid on January 1, 2016, 10:42 pm

      “While terrorist attacks galore are happening against Jews in Israel every day the Dawabshe incident is milked for all its worth in a gratuitous attempt to manufacture an equivalent to what is widely manifest in the Muslim world”

      The whole world knows that Palestinian violence is a result of the occupation.and the whole world knows that the settler violence is a product of religious lunacy funded by the Israeli government.

      “Waiting to hear the excuses for the latest killings by an Israeli-Arab in Tel Aviv – he was mentally ill, he was a lone gunman, he had nothing to do with ISIS, he was a nice fellow who wouldn’t harm a fly,”

      There are reports that he did it as revenge for the killing of his brother by the Israelis.and there are reports that he is mentally ill…untill now we dont know.

      ” he was not religuously motivated (he had a copy of the Koran in his backpack but the politically correct Western media don’t mention that) etc.”

      If you are going to die , it makes sense to take a copy of your religious text since you are about to meet your maker.but that doesnot mean that it is religiously motivated.

      Before i start my math exam i read a prayer or a verse from the Quran , does that mean i am motivated to do the math exam by religion!!

      You are so superficial.

    • peeesss on January 2, 2016, 4:24 am

      Mayhem: How about these “excuses”. My home was demolished, my brother was kidnapped and tortured{he is 15}. My father is in an Israeli prison a year and not charged with any crime. My cousins in Gaza were blown up while sleeping in their homes. My Great Grandfather and Great Grandmother and their children were forced to leave their homes by Israeli forces and watched as the homes and mosques and churches of their village were burned to the ground. {1947-48, the Nakba}. My country and people are under military occupation my whole life. Israeli settlers burn our farms and olive trees to the ground while Israeli soldiers watch passively. Excuses, excuses, excuses.

    • The Hasbara Buster on January 2, 2016, 6:42 am

      From the Irish in the British Isles to the Basques in Spain on to the Tamils in Sri Lanka, peoples subjected to national oppression have frequently resorted to terrorism. Israel is unique in that it is members of the oppressor people who are committing acts of terror against the ethnicity they subjugate.

      • edwin on January 2, 2016, 11:28 am

        Your sentence is confusing.

        If I understand you correctly, I would have to disagree. Oppressor people terrorize those they oppress. A quick example would be the KKK. The treatment of runaway slaves would very clearly fall under terror, as would slavery itself. The massacres of the native populations of many countries wold be yet another.

        I’m afraid I don’t see too much that is unique about Israel – 19th century colonialism within a 21st century planet.

        What is interesting to me is the rise of BDS, coupled by its support of Jewish Voice for Peace. That seems to me to be something new.

    • talknic on January 2, 2016, 9:46 am

      @ Mayhem “While terrorist attacks galore are happening against Jews in Israel every day”

      In Israel? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_Palestinian_territories_acquired_by_war_Not_annexed_to_Israel.jpg

      ” he was mentally ill, he was a lone gunman, he had nothing to do with ISIS, he was a nice fellow who wouldn’t harm a fly, “

      If you insist, no one else has

      he was not religuously motivated (he had a copy of the Koran in his backpack but the politically correct Western media don’t mention that) etc”

      A) Carrying a Koran is not evidence his actions were religiously motivated.

      B) REUTERS not Western media? AMAZING! I wonder if they know

    • Misterioso on January 2, 2016, 12:08 pm

      Mayhem

      http://www.countthekids.org/
      Counting the kids from 2000 until today.

      For every Jewish Israeli child killed by Palestinians, 15.8 Palestinian children have been killed by Jewish Israelis since the year 2000.

  6. JWalters on January 1, 2016, 4:57 pm

    “The entire episode revealed a side of Israel that has long been kept under wraps.”

    Kept under wraps since the founding of Israel. For readers who haven’t seen it yet, relevant hidden historical facts are online in “War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror”.

    • niass2 on January 1, 2016, 8:28 pm

      Umm, I dunno, I figured it out early, at 12, right after I had sunday school taught by Hillel feaks at Brandeis. Its obvious if u read the news.

  7. ivri on January 1, 2016, 5:15 pm

    I doubt though that having read this article will have the practical effect of making the security agencies in Europe and the allied forces in Syria shift track – forget about ISIL and deal instead with its now “exposed” parallel.
    Nice try though.

  8. ivri on January 1, 2016, 5:26 pm

    I doubt that having read this analogy will have practical effects on the security agencies in Europe and the coalition forces in Syria, namely that they shift track – forget about ISIL and deal instead with the now “exposed” parallel.
    Apparently there is no end to imaginative anti-Israel ideas. Albeit, the problem is that real people with real concerns have little time for gimmicks – they need to deal with the actual threats of this world – playing games is for those who do not.

  9. niass2 on January 1, 2016, 8:26 pm

    ISIL may be like Israel, but aren’t they like themselves, the former Baath Sunni Military of Iraq I thought. Am I wrong, I should ask Juan Cole at Informed Comment to clarify. Some of them are Euro Trash Wannabees, and others just like a good Violent place where people like ISIS rule. But, Israel canbe compared nicely to any insane violent group of elitist apartheid like Humans. It isn’t hard to do, as of now, so what’s the big deal, or I guess some people are late to integrating Israel’s brutality into their thinking. Anyways, the Grateful Dead played They Love Each Other last night right after Feel Like a Stranger. Don’t give up, they may do Dancin in the Streets next Year, and we may all be, you can never tell.

  10. JLewisDickerson on January 1, 2016, 9:02 pm

    RE: “Unfortunately, Blumenthal, Khalek and myself have been vindicated but it appears that we will not be credited.” ~ Dan Cohen

    A LITTLE CONSOLATION:
    “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.” http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattery.html

  11. Nevada Ned on January 1, 2016, 11:39 pm

    “Since then, the Shin Bet has arrested suspects and obtained confessions through means of torture. ”

    I knew that Israel tortures Palestinians, it’s standard procedure.

    But I wondered about whether Israel tortures Israeli Jews.

    Thanks for the clarification.

  12. Ossinev on January 2, 2016, 6:54 am

    @ivri
    Seemed to have doubled posted there old bean in trying to make whatever point you were trying to make or were you just playing games ? I am no expert on gibberish but I think that what you were trying to say was that IYHO the “allied” (sic) or coalition forces wouldn`t be switching their attention from Raqqa to Kiryat Arba as the result of the threat from JSIL.

    A good example of hasbarist deflection tactics.

    Nice try though.

    • ivri on January 2, 2016, 2:02 pm

      @ossinev
      The double-posting, just a mis-click (on both versions of the same posting).
      To the point: there is no Hasbara here – just trying to say that equating Israel to ISIL is a meaningless joke or a propaganda ploy dressed as a serious examination. I am sure that you can find 10 similarities between the US and Russia and many other doubles but does that warrant an article? Does any serious person in the world benefit from such pseudo-analytic gimmickry? The fact that it is at all done indicates to me the pitiful obsession with Israel of some people – an insatiable desire, or a psychological need, to see it portrayed it darkly, whatever it takes.

      • annie on January 2, 2016, 4:13 pm

        ivri, did you read former Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Arens article called “The Jewish Equivalent of ISIS.”? or Asher Schechter’s “Meet Judeo-ISIS: The Inevitable Result of Israel’s Presence in the West Bank.”

        would you also characterize those articles as “a meaningless joke or a propaganda ploy dressed as a serious examination” and if not, why?

      • ivri on January 2, 2016, 4:53 pm

        @annie
        I sdidn`t read it but I can see already from the title (Arens) the critical difference. He must be referring to the lunatic right in Israel – not to the country – and it is a kind of exaggerated but useful wake up call to those here – thankfully a very small fringe group – that are the “danger from inside” to Israel.
        Every country has that, especially when in warring conditions, and there is a huge effort here to subdue them. It is the total failure in the Arab/Islamic world to do the same, which is, in my opinion, their greatest problem.

      • annie on January 2, 2016, 5:12 pm

        the lunatic right in Israel – not to the country … the total failure in the Arab/Islamic world to do the same, which is… their greatest problem.

        nice divert, but the lunatic right in israel is completely embedded in the governing structure (google home party and justice minister) and not a “a very small fringe group”*. the total failure in the Jewish world to acknowledge and curtail the effects of this extremism, is their greatest problem.

        * see my blockquote elsewhere in the comment section relating to: http://fathomjournal.org/ultra-nationalism-settlements-and-jewish-extremism-an-interview-with-sara-hirschhorn/

  13. Boo on January 2, 2016, 2:44 pm

    It’s quite unfair to compare the Israeli government to ISIS.

    After all, ISIS doesn’t try to suborn the US Congress.

    • Eva Smagacz on January 2, 2016, 5:39 pm

      Very true – ISIS burns people to death using petrol, JSIL uses petrol and white phosphorus.

      But there are striking similarities:

      ISIS cuts people’s limbs and heads using knives and machetes, JSIL uses sophisticated DIME munitions to achieve same.

      ISIS uses youths to carry it’s barbaric attacks, to desensitise them, and to brain wash them. JSIL has a national military service, and uses its youth to carry barbaric attacks, to desensitise them, and to brain wash them.

  14. Rowan on January 2, 2016, 7:36 pm

    Please refrain from loading self-starting and indefinitely self-repeating audios and videos onto your posts.

    • Rowan on January 2, 2016, 8:16 pm

      For your convenience, here is Haaretz’s copy on youtube:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfkd0r1yY10

    • Eva Smagacz on January 3, 2016, 4:44 am

      Rowan, it’s reasonable request, but it is unlikely that many of us would even realise that the media we posted are self starting and self repeating. An email/note to author/mondoweiss staff will be appreciated.

      • Mooser on January 3, 2016, 4:21 pm

        “that the media we posted are self starting and self repeating.”

        I do believe all of that can be controlled from your own browser settings. Probably (although I don’t guarantee this) under “pop-up” settings. In Explorer it’s under “Internet Options”.

      • amigo on January 3, 2016, 6:15 pm

        “I do believe all of that can be controlled from your own browser settings”. Mooser

        Perhaps there is a similar way to stop the zionist trolls here from repeating themselves.Failing that your pop-up option might do the trick as it has a prevent pop-ups option.We just need a software re write.Maybe you could moosie on down to the Miicrosoft HQ and get some help.

  15. Rowan on January 3, 2016, 8:21 am

    Eva, actually I must admit, it’s a technical rabbit hole, reasonable though it sounds.

    ;-)

  16. amigo on January 3, 2016, 10:08 am

    This seems as appropriate place for this report as any.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.695138

    “Israel Charges Two Jews Over West Bank Arson Murders

    One adult charged with three counts of murder, one minor charged as accessory to murder. Two others charged with violence against Palestinians.
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.695138

    Israeli prosecutors filed murder charges on Sunday against two Jewish citizens for the arson attack in the West Bank that killed three members of a Palestinian family last July.

    Amiram Ben-Uliel, a 21-year-old from Jerusalem, was charged with three counts of murder, as well as attempted murder for the unsuccessful attempt to set alight another house.

    An accessory to murder charge was filed against a minor who is suspected of participating in the incident, while two others were charged with violence against Palestinians.

    It remains unclear whether other suspects held by the Shin Bet security service and Israel Police were released or if investigations are ongoing.
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.695138!

    Just as a reminder to max narr !!.

    “However, logistically it’s simply impossible that Jews got so deep into that village, torched a house, spray painted it in bad hebrew, and escaped.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/evidence-prosecute-dawabshe#comment-816450

    It looks as if someone in a position to know better thinks that they did exacltly as you claim they could not have.Must be that Jewish ingenuity , eh maximinimalist.

    Highly highly improbable” max narr.

    I presume we have heard the last of this from you , eh max ????.

  17. Steve Grover on January 3, 2016, 10:42 am

    “Suddenly, comparing Jewish state to ISIS is OK.”
    Much easier to compare Israel haters to Isis.

    • amigo on January 3, 2016, 2:32 pm

      “Much easier to compare Israel haters to Isis.” SG

      I agree, there is no such entity as The “Jewish State”.Zionist entity and rogue nation is the correct nomenclature.

      .

    • Mooser on January 3, 2016, 5:32 pm

      “Suddenly, comparing Jewish state to ISIS is OK.”
      “Much easier to compare Israel haters to Isis. “Grover”

      “Grover” you mentioned the other day that you dispense “zingers” here. Is that one? It’s much more like “Zionist MAD-libs”!

      As for the Streisand video, only you can answer for that when it’s all accounted for, since there’s no accountants with taste.

  18. Steve Grover on January 4, 2016, 10:34 am

    Typo, it should be Aveinu Malkeinu.

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