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Shmuel Rosner, one of the many pro-Israel columnists at the New York Times, has an op-ed today titled, “How Donald Trump Will Divide American and Israeli Jews.” Trump is bad not because of anything he will do to the American political discourse or American women or Muslims or minorities but because of what he will do to the relationship between American and Israeli Jews: alienate their affections. Navel-gazing, thy name is Rosner.

If his policies match his campaign rhetoric, Israelis, with time, will grow to like him. American Jews, meanwhile, will seethe…

American presidents like Mr. [W.] Bush, Mr. Obama and Mr. Trump are bad for relations between Israel and Jews in the United States. They lay bare the fact that American Jews and Israeli Jews have different sets of priorities and values….

What will happen if American Jews see the good relationship that President Trump has with Israel? It will make many of them uneasy. It will make them doubt Israel’s values and morality. It will alienate them from Israel.

What is going to happen if Israeli Jews see American Jews oppose President Trump at every step? It will make the Israelis question the Americans’ good judgment, and doubt their commitment to Israel’s security.

The column is a march of moral idiocy, as Donald Johnson said in passing it along. “If Trump loves Netanyahu and vice versa it will do more than anything activists could write to show just how racist Israel is.” The idiocy lies in the fact that Rosner is blasting everyone except the Clintons for exposing this divide; when the divide is occurring for very good reasons on its own, say when Israel bombs Gaza and slaughters 500 Palestinian children, or when Netanyahu warns his Jewish voters that Arabs are coming out to the polls “in droves”. Israel is a middle eastern ethnic tyranny. Why should American Jews want anything to do with it? If big Jewish donors are suddenly balking at giving money to Israel, it’s because of Israel’s behavior.

Thankfully, Rosner reveals here the essential truth of the Israel lobby: American Jews hold the breathing tube for Israel because they effect US policy. And also the lobby’s destructive selfishness: what would its adherents sacrifice to keep American Jews ignorant of Israeli society and Israeli practices? Just about everything.

Q. When will the New York Times stop running pieces like this? A. When the neoconservative cell that still holds key offices in the Times bureaucracy is exposed and dismantled. That process will be accelerated by Hillary Clinton’s collapse, and the reformation of the Democratic Party as a progressive one. Q. When will the Times publish anti-Zionist Jews? Same answer.

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  1. John O
    John O
    November 13, 2016, 10:47 am

    Meanwhile, in the UK:

    “The Jewish Socialists’ Group is extremely alarmed at the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States. … It is shocking then, that Jonathan Arkush, the President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews – the institution that claims to represent our community – was so quick off the mark in enthusiastically congratulating Trump, whose success has been warmly welcomed by far right leaders across Europe, along with our Conservative Prime Minister, Theresa May. ”

    http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/the-election-of-donald-trump-and-the-rush-to-congratulate-him-by-britains-j

  2. Kay24
    Kay24
    November 13, 2016, 11:35 am

    It is so obvious, and we see this far more frequently than we should. Pro Israel Americans, whose first thought in these situation is for Israel, how Israelis will react, and we see that they are hardly concerned for the well being of their fellow Americans, their safety, their progress, and what is best for the US. Now they will watch if Trump’s policies will favor Israel mostly, before they decide to “fall in love” with Trump. That love will be long lasting and unwavering if Trump (most probably) will give legitimacy to the occupation, and give the zionist the capital they are desperate to steal. Shame on the New York Times to have these zionists who show patriotism for Israel over the nation they live, work, and raise their children in.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 13, 2016, 3:04 pm

      “Now they will watch if Trump’s policies”

      “Trump’s policies”? As far as I know corruption is Trump’s only real policy.

  3. gamal
    gamal
    November 13, 2016, 12:06 pm

    “slaughters 500 Palestinian children”

    what is the matter with you and Donald that you believe it anything other than revolting to count only children killed,

    the casualties from protective edge were circa 2100, sanctions on Iraq killed conservatively 1.5 million not 500k children,

    you should count all those that your government murders, Arabs once they reach their majority are invisible?

    nor do Arabs require innocence to enjoy their right to life or to be counted when you kill them.

    • jon s
      jon s
      November 13, 2016, 4:09 pm

      According to B’Tselem the number of Palestinians killed during Protective Edge is 2202, including 546 children (under 18). 72 Israelis were killed, including one child.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 6:08 pm

        “According to B’Tselem the number of Palestinians killed during Protective Edge is 2202, including 546 children (under 18). 72 Israelis were killed, including one child”

        Good ol’ “Jon s”! Root, root, root for the home team! Brag about those stats.

    • Donald
      Donald
      November 13, 2016, 5:28 pm

      Neither of us thinks that it is okay to kill Arab adults. The fact that nearly a quarter of the deaths in Gaza were children, often killed in their homes or that famous beach incident while playing, shows that Israel targeted civilians and were therefore engaged in acts of state terrorism. Your next move– show how this statement actually shows a devious commitment to Israel’s right to use force, if only they would restrict it to Hamas fighters. Wrong again, so let me spare you the effort. Israel is the aggressor. You will therefore have to think of some other argument.

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 14, 2016, 2:09 am

        Donald, it’s never ok to intentionally target civilians, on either side.
        However you’re ignoring the Hamas terrorists cynical strategy of using civilian facilities -schools, mosques, hospitals and such for military purposes, using the civilian population as human shields, deliberately increasing civilian casualties among their own people. The Hamas terrorists bear a large measure of responsibility for those casualties.

      • annie
        annie
        November 14, 2016, 5:04 am

        the Hamas terrorists cynical strategy of using.. civilian population as human shields,

        jon, the goldstone report debunked that hasbara. #fail

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 14, 2016, 9:15 am

        Watching @ jon s wade around in tired olde Ziocrappolla

        “Donald, it’s never ok to intentionally target civilians, on either side”

        Interesting. Then you’ll be condemning Jewish/Israel’s terrorist activities, illegal and ongoing collective punishment, illegal and ongoing colonization, illegal and ongoing dispossession of non-Jews … right?

        “However you’re ignoring the Hamas terrorists cynical strategy of using civilian facilities -schools, mosques, hospitals and such for military purposes, using the civilian population as human shields, deliberately increasing civilian casualties among their own people.”

        What’s to ignore? Hamas didn’t drop from the Ziosky. They’re from, of, for and elected by the people, extremely unlikely to purposefully endanger those they’re fighting for.

        ” The Hamas terrorists bear a large measure of responsibility for those casualties”

        The Zionist Movement is entirely responsible since deciding in 1897 to colonize Palestine

      • rosross
        rosross
        November 14, 2016, 10:20 am

        @jons,

        Gaza is a prison, a concentration camp and targeting it means you are targeting men, women and children imprisoned there.

        Would one have accused the Jews, trapped in the Warsaw Ghetto of using the civilian population as human shields? I doubt it. So why the Palestinians who are fighting to survive in the same way?

        Hamas exists as a creation of Israel to foil the PLO and it has morphed into a resistance army because, well, that is what occupied people do…. resist. The Hamas fighters in the Gaza prison are no different to the Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto. Principles when applied need to be applied equally.

        And for what it is worth, the Zionist terrorists in first years of foundation, stored weapons in places they believed would be ‘safe’ – the same places Israel now accuses the Palestinians of using. The difference with the Zionists is they were not fighting an occupier and coloniser as the Palestinians are, but the indigenous people of the land they sought to conquer and its ‘about to leave’ colonial ruler.

        http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/jews-just-like-arabs-hid-weapons-in-immoral-places-1.339432

        http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/03/zionist-weapons-cache-found-in.html

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        November 14, 2016, 11:00 am

        Jon, when a so called democracy allows their most “moral” military to behave like bullies, and they act like cowards, then it is really bad. The last time the zionist bombed Gaza, the entire world condemned it for deliberately bombing UN shelters that held hundreds of women and children, because the war criminals were informed numerous times about these shelters.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        November 14, 2016, 12:57 pm

        Jon S

        The Goldstone Report declared that Operation Cast Lead (2008) was “directed at the people of Gaza as a whole,” not just Hamas militants as Israel claims, that its operations were “carefully planned in all their phases as a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorize a civilian population, radically diminish its local economic capacity to work and to provide for itself, and to force upon it an ever increasing sense of dependency and vulnerability.”

        Goldstone and his fellow panelists also found Israel guilty of attacking residential areas, water wells, rooftop water tanks, agricultural land, citrus groves, chicken farms, greenhouses, business factories and police stations; that “the destruction of food supply installations, water sanitation systems, concrete factories and residential houses was the result of a systematic policy by the Israeli armed forces.”

        The panelists also charged Israel with using phosphorous incendiary shells on a UN compound sheltering more than 600 civilians, using phosphorous and high explosive artillery shells on Al-Quds hospital and they reject Israel’s assertion that Hamas or other militants were using the hospital.

        Israel is accused of attacking a crowded mosque during evening prayers (the panel rejected the contention that armed militants were inside), using flechettes (4-cm metal darts fired from missiles, planes or tanks “that penetrate straight through human bone and can cause serious, often fatal, injuries”) and of using Palestinians as human shields during house searches, a “war crime under the Rome statute of the International Criminal Court.”

        No evidence was found to support Israel’s contention that Hamas had used Palestinians as human shields. Goldstone urged the UN Security Council to ask both the Israeli and Palestinian authorities to conduct transparent investigations and file reports within in six months. If either or both parties failed to do so, the council should refer the matter to the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court.”

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 14, 2016, 2:53 pm

        Annie,
        The Goldstone report -essentially retracted by Justice Goldstone himself – was not about “Protective Edge”.

      • annie
        annie
        November 14, 2016, 5:26 pm

        jon, your “hamas uses human shields” hasbara is not compelling.

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 14, 2016, 4:39 pm

        rosross,
        Your comparison of the Hamas terrorists in Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto is obscene and offensive, an insult to the survivors and to the memory of the victims. It can even be regarded as a form of Holocaust denial.
        Unlike the Hamas terrorists ,the inhabitants of the Warsaw Ghetto were not firing rockets at the civilian population in Germany, were not digging tunnels into Germany, they had no conflict at all with Germany. They were victims of genocide.
        Let’s go back to discussing the situation in Gaza. What Hamas does, what the IDF does and so on…Forget the “concentration camp”, “Warsaw Ghetto” ,analogy.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        November 14, 2016, 6:21 pm

        jon s

        Hostilities between Hamas and Israel are a consequence of Israel’s illegal occupation of the Gaza Strip and its oppression of the native inhabitants.

        To wit:
        As the respected human rights organization Human Rights Watch declared in 2005: “…Israel will continue to be an Occupying Power [of the Gaza Strip] under international law and bound by the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention because it will retain effective control over the territory and over crucial aspects of civilian life. Israel will not be withdrawing and handing power over to a sovereign authority – indeed, the word ‘withdrawal’ does not appear in the [2005 disengagement] document at all… The IDF will retain control over Gaza’s borders, coastline, and airspace, and will reserve the right to enter Gaza at will. According to the Hague Regulations, ‘A territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised’. International jurisprudence has clarified that the mere repositioning of troops is not sufficient to relieve an occupier of its responsibilities if it retains its overall authority and the ability to reassert direct control at will.”

        The International Committee of the Red Cross: “The whole of Gaza’s civilian population is being punished for acts for which they bear no responsibility. The closure therefore constitutes a collective punishment imposed in clear violation of Israel’s obligations under international humanitarian law. The Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, ratified by Israel, bans collective punishment of a civilian population.”

        “In practice, Gaza has become a huge, let me be blunt, concentration camp for right now 1,800,000 people” – Amira Hass, 2015, correspondent for Haaretz, speaking at the Forum for Scholars and Publics at Duke University.

        “‘The significance of the [then proposed] disengagement plan [implemented in 2005] is the freezing of the peace process,’ Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser Dov Weisglass has told Ha’aretz. ‘And when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda….’ Weisglass, who was one of the initiators of the disengagement plan, was speaking in an interview with Ha’aretz for the Friday Magazine. ‘The disengagement is actually formaldehyde,’ he said. ‘It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians.’” (Top PM Aide: Gaza Plan Aims to Freeze the Peace Process, Ha’aretz, October 6, 2004)

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 14, 2016, 7:13 pm

        @ jon s November 14, 2016, 4:39 pm

        “Your comparison of the Hamas terrorists in Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto is obscene and offensive, an insult to the survivors and to the memory of the victims”

        Only in the twisted mind of a sick Zionist propagandist

        “Would one have accused the Jews, trapped in the Warsaw Ghetto of using the civilian population as human shields? I doubt it”

        You failed to address the question.

        “It can even be regarded as a form of Holocaust denial”

        It acknowledges the Holocaust

        “… the Jews, trapped in the Warsaw Ghetto … “

        “Unlike the Hamas terrorists ,the inhabitants of the Warsaw Ghetto were not firing rockets at the civilian population in Germany, were not digging tunnels into Germany, they had no conflict at all with Germany. “

        A) The Jewish resistance tunnels, bunkers and weapons storage were under, over and amongst the Jewish population
        B) https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Warsaw+Ghetto+resistance
        C) the IDF memorial site records more attacks, injuries and deaths on Israeli military than on Israeli civilians
        D) Get another job, propaganda is not your forte. Nor is teaching judging from the bullsh*t you spout

        “Let’s go back to discussing the situation in Gaza”

        Your denial and refusal to answer questions is not discussion

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 14, 2016, 7:55 pm

        @ jon s November 14, 2016, 2:53 pm

        “The Goldstone report -essentially retracted by Justice Goldstone himself”

        Oh?

        https://www.google.com.au/search?q=“as+presently+advised+I+have+no+reason+to+believe+any+part+of+the+report+needs+to+be+reconsidered+at+this+time.”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 14, 2016, 8:03 pm

        “Your comparison of the Hamas terrorists in Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto is”

        Jonny, Kuck zich oys already. You and the whole “Israeli left”.

        Is it anti-semitic to say that Jews are human beings, and can lie like crazy when they need to excuse themselves or out of self-interest?

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 15, 2016, 3:56 pm

        A few points in response to various comments:
        1. I find any analogy or comparison between the situation in Gaza and the Wasaw Ghetto highly offensive. I wouldn’t be too difficult for me to point out similarities between groups like Hamas and Hizbullah and the Nazis, but I prefer not to go there. So again I suggest that we discuss the situation in Gaza and leave the Holocaust alone. Or we can discuss various aspects of the Holocaust, but without any comparison with Gaza.

        2. Regarding the use of civilian facilities by Hamas for military purposes, there seem to be two contradictory arguments. Are those accusations untrue, and Hamas wouldn’t even dream of using hospitals, mosques, schools etc. as launch sites and arms depots? Or is it ok for Hamas to do so because 70 years ago the Jewish undergrounds hid arms in a synagogue? Which is it?

        3.Regarding military vs. civilian casualties, I looked at the breakdown of the data in the B’Tselem report I cited before. B’Tselem estimates that of the 2202 Palestinians killed in Gaza 1391 (63%) were civilians. On the Israeli side 6 of the 72 killed were civilians (8%).

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        November 15, 2016, 4:19 pm

        I find any analogy or comparison between the situation in Gaza and the Wasaw Ghetto highly offensive. I wouldn’t be too difficult for me to point out similarities between groups like Hamas and Hizbullah and the Nazis, but I prefer not to go there

        Tough titties. That is the factually most fitting analogy and the one post-war people know best.
        The Warsaw ghetto’s heroic resistance and the Nazi butchery, followed by the despicable Zionist attacks on and demonization of Dr. Marek Edelman.

        In fact, it is high time for the analogy to be made more explicit, in detail.

        You don’t like it? No surprise. A Zionist criminal would not. So freakin what, may I asked? Since when are the Zionists dictating the terms of discourse in the wide world?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 15, 2016, 4:24 pm

        “A few points in response to various comments:”

        And from a disinterested, objective and informed observer with no position to protect, too. Those are the most valuable kind of responses. Aren’t we lucky to be informed by such a person?
        And his humanism, lack of pretense, and complete unconsciousness of his own superiority permeates every comment Me ken brechen!

  4. Mooser
    Mooser
    November 13, 2016, 12:48 pm

    Israel should get out in front on this thing.
    Israel and the US State Department (FBI can do the investigation and enforce the ban) can arrange and validate a mass excommunication of American Jews. There will be nothing for American former Jews to do but hand over all their assets, all their influence, any power they may have, to the Zionists, and then have their lips sewn shut.

    • amigo
      amigo
      November 13, 2016, 2:27 pm

      ” There will be nothing for American former Jews to do but hand over all their assets, all their influence, any power they may have, to the Zionists “Mooser.

      The USA will never be the same again.CNN will have to replace circa 90% of it,s analysts/anchors .Wolf Blitzer will end up working a blue collar job on minimum wage .

      Where do I sign up to become a Zionist.I could use a windfall or two. Wouldn,t say no to little influence and /or power either.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 4:50 pm

        “Where do I sign up to become a Zionist.I could use a windfall or two.”

        Conversion is always open to you. As the song says: “Big Zionist windfalls, it’s just a….”

  5. Mooser
    Mooser
    November 13, 2016, 1:00 pm

    What I have a hard time conceiving of (and I’m the guy which increased the Jewish demographic by several orders of magnitude, too.) is what a (forgive me) non-Jewish person thinks when they read this op-ed. Or what on earth Rosner thinks they will think?

    Oh well, I can’t blame Rosner. My Mom told me over and over when I was a baby, that my pupick was beautiful, perfect, and well worth gazing at.

  6. AddictionMyth
    AddictionMyth
    November 13, 2016, 3:24 pm

    I just read the op-ed and I think it’s fine. What he’s saying is true – as Americans see how Trump persecutes his own people here in the USA (illegals, muslims and blacks, etc), they will start to see how Israel does the same. Though this is not explicit, the sentiment is betrayed with statements like “American Jews, meanwhile, will seethe.”

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 13, 2016, 4:53 pm

      “What he’s saying is true – as Americans see how Trump persecutes his own people here in the USA (illegals, muslims and blacks, etc), they will start to see how Israel does the same.”

      That will put a firm practical basis to the “special relationship”, instead of relying on that ‘rapture and last days” nonsense . Every police force will make aliyah for training.

  7. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    November 13, 2016, 3:48 pm

    Hardly navel gazing. the intersection of American jews and israeli Jews is rosner’s beat.

    Off topic: Phil Weiss pooh-pooh’ing Steve Bannon’s shout out to David Duke with his Yellen, Soros commercial is indicative that Phil Weiss is no friend to the Jews.

    • Steve Grover
      Steve Grover
      November 13, 2016, 4:19 pm

      Yonah, you know better! After all Mooser will tell you over and over and over again that Phil Weiss knows what is best for Jews and there could not be a better friend of the Jews. Heck he might even say something about his pupik too while assuring the Mondoweiss peeps how much Phil Weiss stands for Judaism.
      You want proof? Eljay has never-not even once questioned why Phil Weiss or Mooser hates Jews.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 5:46 pm
      • eljay
        eljay
        November 13, 2016, 7:04 pm

        || Steve Grover: … Eljay has never-not even once questioned why Phil Weiss or Mooser hates Jews. ||

        I haven’t questioned it because as far as I can tell neither Phil nor Mooser hates Jews.

        Oh, wait a minute, now I get it: Phil and Mooser believe that all people are entitled to justice and equality and to your hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist mind that constitutes “Jew hatred”.

        Wow, that’s f*cked up.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 11:01 pm

        “Wow, that’s f*cked up.”

        Nah, “Eljay”, it’s not screwed up. It’s just the natural consequence of being part of, at the center of a group of 2 billion people (and rapidly increasing) with a vigorous, aggressive, yet somewhat insular culture. “Steve Grover” knows we Jews can make our own rules. Oh, maybe we couldn’t always, but the recent increase in Jewish demographics (from 180 million to 2 billion in a few weeks!) will intimidate any nay-sayers.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 14, 2016, 7:36 am

        || Mooser: … Nah, “Eljay”, it’s not screwed up. It’s just the natural consequence of being part of, at the center of a group of 2 billion people (and rapidly increasing) with a vigorous, aggressive, yet somewhat insular culture. “Steve Grover” knows we Jews can make our own rules. Oh, maybe we couldn’t always, but the recent increase in Jewish demographics (from 180 million to 2 billion in a few weeks!) will intimidate any nay-sayers. ||

        My mom used to tell to me what had previously been told to her: “Beware the yellow horde.” Evidently the “Jewish horde” was before her time.

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 14, 2016, 9:29 am

        @ Steve Grover “Eljay has never-not even once questioned why Phil Weiss or Mooser hates Jews”

        Question something that doesn’t exist? Interesting theory, not uncommon amongst Ziocreeps who purposefully falsely accuse on behalf of the crimes of the Jewish State

        An accusation is not evidence. Please present evidence for your accusation … looking forward to your honest reply …

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 14, 2016, 9:39 am

        || eljay: … Evidently the “Jewish horde” was before her time. ||

        Correction: … Evidently the “Jewish horde” was after her time (and she before its time).

      • rosross
        rosross
        November 14, 2016, 10:26 am

        @ Steve Grover,

        Your interpretation seems more projection than reality – hatred of Jews is not something I have experienced from Weiss or Mooser, or in fact, anyone around here.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 14, 2016, 11:50 am

        “Evidently the “Jewish horde” was before her time.”

        “eljay”, if I were you (and around here, you never know who you might be. Just ask “James North” the guy in loco parentheses) I would not be dismissive of these demographic facts. Has a single Zionist ever said they were wrong? Has a single Zionist ever tried to give us a more realistic picture?
        So for all we know, it may be even higher than 2 billion.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 14, 2016, 12:01 pm

        “I have experienced from Weiss or Mooser”

        C’mon already, we are completely different people. Phil is balebatish and I’m, well, pretty much a balegoola, and a litvak into the bargain.

    • amigo
      amigo
      November 13, 2016, 4:30 pm

      “Phil Weiss is no friend to the Jews.” YF

      We get it Yonah. Anyone who is not your friend is an antisemite.

      Got to be honest with you Yonah, if the Jews roamed around your archives for a short while many would accuse you of antisemitism.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 13, 2016, 4:47 pm

      “Off topic: Phil Weiss pooh-pooh’ing Steve Bannon’s shout out to David Duke with his Yellen, Soros commercial is indicative that Phil Weiss is no friend to the Jews.”

      Now, now, “Yonah” there are bound to be differences between you, he doesn’t have your upbringing:

      Phil was raised different than the way I was raised. He was raised by atheist secular jews with a heavy dose of “I had 6 children, for the six million”. He hated the Jewish religion and resented the ethnic solidarity of the jews when he encountered opposition to his marriage to a nonjew. I was raised by modern orthodox jews who believed in God and three times a day prayers facing jerusalem, and also, the idf is the answer to hitler” “Yonah Fredman” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/wondering-jew/?keyword=semi#sthash.UHFi5vUl.dpuf

      No wonder your credibility is so high.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 6:04 pm

        I faintly remember Phil writing about his late Dad. I don’t remember it too well, but I’m pretty sure

        “He was raised by atheist secular jews with a heavy dose of “I had 6 children, for the six million”

        is not an accurate description. Perhaps “Yonah” was just trying to be kind?

      • annie
        annie
        November 13, 2016, 6:09 pm

        it was his mother who said it

        I tell him what my mother said about why she had six children. “One for each million.”

        – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/among-the-settlers/#sthash.lzOB1ioF.dpuf

        and again:

        “That’s why my mother had six kids,” I say. “One for each million.”

        http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/the-world-the-settlers-made/

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 13, 2016, 6:26 pm

        Mazel Tov! I didn’t know Phil had so many siblings! I must not have been paying attention, all I remembered was one brother.

        So Phil’s Mom, possibly out of remembrance of the Jewish genocide of the Holocaust, had a large family, and “Yonah” is excoriating her for it? Okay.

        Obviously, this discussion is way over my head. I don’t have the credibility.

        That Phil might prevaricate in talking to a settler is a thought I will not entertain,. of course.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 13, 2016, 5:22 pm

      “Phil Weiss is no friend to the Jews.”

      “Yonah” 2 billion Jewish people don’t need “friends”. You are either on our side, or you are part of a some tiny minority or other.

      • rosross
        rosross
        November 14, 2016, 10:30 am

        There are estimated to be between 12 to 15 million Jews worldwide, although since many don’t practice and are not really Jewish, the number fluctuates. There are not 2 billion Jews worldwide.

        There are 1.6 billion Muslims and 2.2 billion Christians and 1.1 billion Hindus, with a lot of agnostics and atheists in the mix, thank goodness.

      • rosross
        rosross
        November 14, 2016, 10:59 am

        Sigh, think I missed your humour again, Mooser. :)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 14, 2016, 12:18 pm

        “There are 1.6 billion Muslims and 2.2 billion Christians and 1.1 billion Hindus, with a lot of agnostics and atheists in the mix, thank goodness.”

        Sorry, my “tiny minority” crack was uncalled for, and obviously not true. But we are right up there. And growing, growing, growing. Maybe even faster than Scientology!

    • John O
      John O
      November 14, 2016, 9:23 am

      @yonah “Phil Weiss is no friend to the Jews.”

      Now that Trump is president, there are some real anti-Semites in his entourage with their grubby fingers on the levers of real power. Better stop crying wolf over here and start paying attention to what’s going on over there.

      • rosross
        rosross
        November 14, 2016, 10:41 am

        @ John,

        Times are changing although the US, like all developed nations with democratic systems has checks and balances in place which will protect from excess. Things change slowly, and picking up the influences and potentials early is always wise. Many nations know only too well how much things can change unexpectedly.

        Here is the problem American Jews may face. Because Israel claims to represent Jews and Judaism, people assume that is the case, even though it is not. Israel speaks for Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews and not all Jews are Zionists although many, perhaps most people would not know that.

        Jews have disproportionate representation and influence in the American political system and Government and that means so do Zionists and Israelis.

        As more Americans express their anger at their parlous and disadvantaged state, more will also become aware that Jews, Zionists, Israelis, wield enormous power in their country and they do so often, against the interests of the US and Americans.

        When a group works for the interests of a foreign nation and puts its interests before those of their own country, in this case the US, they are treading a dangerous path, which, could easily be called treason.

        It is time for Jews in general and American Jews in particular to separate themselves from Zionism and from Israel, and to choose their own nation above their religion and the interests of Israel.

        When it comes to citizenship you cannot have divided loyalties if push comes to shove and when people become irrational, reason goes out of the window as many solid American citizens of Japanese ancestry, discovered in WWII. Guilt by association was their crime.

        Jewish support for Israelis is more of an issue in the US than in other countries simply because of the disproportionate presence in politics, Government and the media. When a particular group has such a position in society, for whatever reason, they need to be circumspect and ensure they are acting only in the interests of their country.

        Trump is unpredictable and may well not last long because his Achilles heel is his children and his business and if he refuses to put his businesses into Blind Trusts as other Presidents have done, he will be on a potentially dangerous course. The effect on American society, should, as some have already suggested, Trump being impeached for wrongdoing, could be enormous and usher in higher levels of instability very quickly.

        Whatever happens under Trump, change will be a major part of the equation, for good and ill, and predicting his actions and outcomes, about as likely to be accurate as were the election predictions.

    • Sibiriak
      Sibiriak
      November 14, 2016, 10:15 am

      yonah fredman: Phil Weiss is no friend to the Jews.
      —————-

      No, but he’s a friend to a lot of Jews.

  8. W.Jones
    W.Jones
    November 14, 2016, 12:44 am

    Since Phil wrote about threats against Obama before that were made because of the IP Conflict, and because this article is talking about the NYT’s attacks on Trump, do you believe this new threat by David Brooks in the NYT:

    NYT David Brooks: “Trump Needs To Decide If He Prefers To Resign, Be Impeached Or Get Assassinated”

    In his Friday column, New York Times columnist David Brooks speculates about a new political dichotomy and writes that President-elect Donald Trump will “resign or be impeached within a year.”

    However, while commenting on his column in a subsequent interview with KYRQ Radio in New York City, Brooks said, “Oh, and by the way – I forgot to mention ‘assassinated.’” The columnist then went on to say that “the whole ‘pen is mightier than the sword’ philosophy might have worked if we were talking about Hillary Clinton, but when it comes to Donald Trump, you don’t really need a pen, because he’ll bury himself soon enough.” “At the rate he’s going, I’m starting to wonder if he’ll make it through the first six months, let alone an entire year,” Brooks said.

    “At some point very soon, he’s going to mess something up big time,” Brooks argued. “And when he does, he’s going to have to choose his next step carefully. It’s either going to be resigning, impeachment, or what I forgot to put in my column earlier this morning – assassination. And I don’t mean like, someone’s going to go after him with a sniper rifle or car bomb or something – I mean, he’s going to have the option of hiring someone to take him out. After all, he’s a businessman and it’s a character trait of most businessmen to spot opportunity where others see nothing. The man was always strived for martyrdom, and this is the perfect opportunity to get it. Heck, that’s the way I’d choose to go,” he said.

    “And even if I’m wrong and there is someone out there getting ready to take him out, all I can say is – please dude, hurry up. … Please, deliver this country from the hands of an idiot with Labrador hair who thinks he’s God’s gift to mankind, and do it quick before any more damage is done,” Brooks concluded,,,

    http://therightists.com/david-brooks-trump-needs-to-decide-if-he-prefers-to-resign-be-impeached-or-get-assassinated/
    Do you believe that he really said this?
    I am skeptical.

    • rosross
      rosross
      November 14, 2016, 10:45 am

      Dangerous talk and foolish conjecture, and more so if Brooks is Jewish. I have no idea who he is.

      If anti-Trump supporters, albeit a minority, turned violent at his win, then his supporters, amongst the most heavily armed, may be worse in the face of his demise. The best outcome is for a reasonably sensible Trump seeing out his four years.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        November 14, 2016, 8:59 pm

        ROSS:

        David Brooks: Gaza war proved my son was right to serve in IDF

        http://www.haaretz.com › Jewish World › Books

        Oct 18, 2014 – NYT columnist-writer talks about his eldest son’s decision to become a ‘lone soldier’ in Israel, and being liberals’ ‘favorite conservative.’

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      November 14, 2016, 12:35 pm

      “an idiot with Labrador hair”

      Brooks needs to take a look at a dog-breed book. He must be thinking of a collie, or setter.

  9. biggerjake
    biggerjake
    November 14, 2016, 11:16 am

    What I learned by reading this article…and the comments (of course):

    1. American Jews don’t know that the Israeli enterprise in Palestine is a brutal racist one that degrades, kills, tortures and maims innocent Palestinians and (wait for it…) the Israeli public approves. (According to Shmuel Rosner) (Can that be true?) And if that’s not enough…if they found out…WOULD THEY BE PISSED…..

    2. Phillip Weiss is a Jew hater. (According to Yonah Fredman) (Wow! He’s not just a self-hating Jew…but a real dyed in the wool Jew hater?) Who knew?

    3. New word: “chuevos” I’m still not sure what it means but I’m gonna keep looking for a chance to use it to prove how smart I am…

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      November 14, 2016, 7:59 pm

      I thought “chuevos” was Yiddish for “huevos”.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        November 15, 2016, 12:47 am

        Depends.
        If you are transcribing ch for hard aspirate 3 (usually kh), that sounds about right.
        As in “Chchchammas”.

        Otherwise, though:

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 15, 2016, 2:43 am

        Chuevos are drunk huevos?

  10. Mooser
    Mooser
    November 14, 2016, 12:32 pm

    2. Phillip Weiss is a Jew hater. (According to Yonah Fredman) (Wow! He’s not just a self-hating Jew…but a real dyed in the wool Jew hater?) Who knew?

    Why “Hophmi”, of course, who else? – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/hophmi/?keyword=fall+away#sthash.0AwwO0xO.dpuf

    He’s got Phil pegged, right down to the Pablo Christiani designer lounge-suit, and the Johann Pfefferkorn tasseled loafers.

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