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The best thing about Michelle Goldberg’s column in the New York Times on the death of the two-state solution is its tone. She’s not that upset about it. Yes, she says the end of a Jewish state would be “disastrous,” in passing, but she knows that what Israel is practicing is apartheid and she insists that American Jews won’t prop it up in the long run. (However long that is! Stay warm in jail, Ahed.)

Supporters of Israel hate it when people use the word “apartheid” to describe the country, but we don’t have another term for a political system in which one ethnic group rules over another, confining it to small islands of territory and denying it full political representation.

Goldberg repeatedly detaches herself from Israel’s supporters; and the only expert she quotes is a Palestinian! Nobody from J Street gets to tell you how to think.

“If the Israelis insist now on finishing the process of killing the two-state solution, the only alternative we have as Palestinians is one fully democratic, one-state solution,” [Mustafa] Barghouti says, in which everyone has “totally equal rights.”

Mustafa Barghouti, at funeral of four youths killed in Sair village, Palestine, Jan. 2016

And though Israel will not accept democracy, Goldberg concludes, “most of the world–  including most of the Jewish diaspora” will have to support a “Palestinian campaign for equal rights.”

Israel’s apologists will be left mimicking the argument that William F. Buckley once made about the Jim Crow South. In 1957, he asked rhetorically whether the white South was entitled to prevail “politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically.” The “sobering answer,” he concluded, was yes, given the white community’s superior civilization.

It’s impossible to say how long Israel could sustain such a system. But the dream of liberal Zionism would be dead. Maybe, with the far right in power both here and there, it already is.

Goldberg’s apostasy is a reminder that the most disputed space in the conflict is the space between American Jews’ ears: Are we allowed to come out for equal rights instead of Jewish nationalism? Notice the immediate pushback from a liberal Zionist, Daniel Seidemann:

Maybe you’re right Michelle. We are under attack from Netanyahu’s government, viewed with contempt by the ideological left, and the facts are the facts. But there is no alternative to 2 states. Destroying it doesn’t create an alternative out of the ashes. There is no giving up.

The reason that Israeli liberals are viewed with contempt by the left is that they have more pity for themselves than for the people under the Israeli boot. They cannot offer anyone a credible program for how Palestinians will get rights, and when. Instead, they passively endorse an idea of managed conflict, as Ori Nir of Americans for Peace Now does when he rejects even Ahed Tamimi’s form of resistance, slapping an occupying soldier.

And they reject the only thing Israel seems to fear, international pressure in the form of BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions). Goldberg (a friend of mine) ought to take the obvious next step here and endorse BDS. That would be a real slap at the occupation, and the least an American can do to support nonviolent resistance.

H/t Scott Roth. 

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  1. CigarGod
    CigarGod
    January 9, 2018, 10:58 am

    “The reason that Israeli liberals are viewed with contempt by the left is that they have more pity for themselves than they do for those under the Israeli boot.”

    I sure do like the sound of that, but the left in the usa act more like Israeli liberals. The Dem Party certainly doesn’t voice contempt for Israeli liberals. When was the last time (in years) that NPR had an anti-zionist guest on? Besides Bernies one tiny sympathetic mention…where are the usa Jewish law makers comments?

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      January 9, 2018, 11:57 am

      true that

    • Donald
      Donald
      January 9, 2018, 12:25 pm

      “I sure do like the sound of that, but the left in the usa act more like Israeli liberals. ”

      Many liberals in the US are very much like liberal Zionists in their attitudes and not just on Israel. The antiwar movement in the US died when Obama got in. FAIR just had a piece where they point out how little coverage the liberal station MSNBC has given to the US supported bombing of Yemen.

      https://fair.org/home/msnbc-yemen-russia-coverage-2017/

    • lonely rico
      lonely rico
      January 9, 2018, 5:35 pm

      When was the last time (in years) that NPR had an anti-zionist guest on?

      And when oh when is Philip Weiss going to be published in the New York Times ?

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      January 10, 2018, 10:49 am

      An assortment of videos produced by “Apartheid Adventures.”

      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfZ6VmyfB2IyzCPvqSN23Sw

      “Apartheid Adventures”

      12 short videos, e.g., “Apartheid on Wheels,” “Sleeping With Apartheid,” “You’re The Israeli,” “Outlawing BDS,” “Apartheid Olympics,” “Feeling Good About Apartheid,” “Occupation, Nakba, Apartheid, we’ve got it all,” etc.

  2. amigo
    amigo
    January 9, 2018, 11:09 am

    “And they reject the only thing Israel seems to fear, international pressure in the form of BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions).”

    Indeed they do and they are quivering in their jackboots.

    “The Strategic Affairs Ministry has set up a public-benefit corporation to engage in what it calls “mass awareness activities” as part of “the struggle against the delegitimization campaign” against Israel internationally.

    Haaretz has obtained a list of the shareholders and directors of the company, Kella Shlomo, who include former Israeli ambassadors to the United Nations.

    The government recently allocated 128 million shekels ($37 million) to the initiative, in addition to the 128 million shekels it will raise from private donors around the world.

    The new initiative will not be subject to the Freedom of Information Law, in accordance with the secrecy policy of the ministry, which refuses to release detailed information about its activities.
    read more: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.833817

    I thought Nuttyahu assured his audience that BDS was defeated.

    Just cannot believe a word the leader of the Apartheid Regime in Tel Aviv says.

    • just
      just
      January 9, 2018, 4:30 pm

      Thanks for posting that, amigo!

      From the article:

      “… The shareholders and directors include former ministry director general Yossi Kuperwasser; former UN ambassador Dore Gold, who is also a former adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu; and former UN ambassador Ron Prosor.

      They also include businessman Micah Avni, whose father, Richard Lakin, was killed in a 2015 terror attack in Jerusalem; Maj. Gen. (res.) Amos Yadlin, who heads the Institute for National Security Studies; and Col. (res.) Miri Eisin, who served as the prime minister’s adviser on the foreign press during the Second Lebanon War.

      Also on the list are a former National Security Council chief, Maj. Gen. (res.) Yaakov Amidror, and Sagi Balasha, a former CEO of the Israeli-American Council, which has casino magnate Sheldon Adelson as a major supporter. …”

      https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.833817

      gag

  3. eljay
    eljay
    January 9, 2018, 11:26 am

    … Notice the immediate pushback from a liberal Zionist, Daniel Seidemann:

    Maybe you’re right Michelle. We are under attack from Netanyahu’s government, viewed with contempt by the ideological left, and the facts are the facts. But there is no alternative to 2 states. Destroying it doesn’t create an alternative out of the ashes. There is no giving up.

    IOW, Jewish supremacism is too big to fail, even if it means doing more “necessary evil” to secure its future.

    Liberal Zionism: “Kinder, gentler” injustice and immorality.

    • annie
      annie
      January 9, 2018, 12:43 pm

      personally, i think seidemann suffers from a lack of imagination. i don’t know if he believes Jewish supremacism is too big to fail. but when he says “there is no alternative” i think there’s a possibility he just can’t fathom israel genociding or ethnically cleansing the rest of palestine, the thought of himself being complicit in that (which he would be) could just be too unbearable for him to accept. and he can’t let go of his zionism, he’s a believer and for him ‘there is no giving up’ on that dream.

      but — there are alternatives to 2 states. either one state or ethnic cleansing/genocide. both possible. it will take people like him giving up on his zionist dream (which has never come to fruition) to fight for the only remaining alternative available where he could live with dignity as an israeli jew. it’s his failure of imagination not to see those other alternatives as very real possibilities.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        January 9, 2018, 3:32 pm

        Annie,

        the only remaining alternative available where he could live with dignity as an israeli jew. it’s his failure of imagination not to see those other alternatives as very real possibilities.

        I wonder if there is any new evidence to indicate that the Zionists could ever make any concessions –the only way for an “only remaining alternative” to keep “dignity as an israeli jew”. In the total absence of any such sign in the last 70 years (only counting from the formal statehood proclamation), and the presence of a huge body of evidence to the contrary, it’s not a “failure of his imagination”: it is a natural conclusion of his estimate of possibilities. I’d say this shows a certain realism.

        That, of course, also precludes any “2-state solution” that is not a total travesty. Of course this Zionist does mean “2 states” fully within scare quotes, i.e. Apartheid + Bantustans, i.e. one-state Apartheid with a fig leaf. This “2ss” does not exclude the genocide either; it only soothes Zonciences.

      • annie
        annie
        January 9, 2018, 4:07 pm

        it’s not a “failure of his imagination”: it is a natural conclusion of his estimate of possibilities.

        echi, a natural conclusion of his estimate of possibilities is due to a failure of his imagination. there’s no contradiction here, they segue perfectly.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        January 9, 2018, 5:24 pm

        I was underlining that anyone who can for a moment imagine the Zionists entering any compromise, against all the evidence, is living a fairy tale. I suppose you could call that a failure of imagination –if adequate imagination means believing in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus combined.

      • annie
        annie
        January 9, 2018, 6:09 pm

        yes, i do call that a failure of your imagination. you were also saying there’s a “fat chance” any liberal zionist could stop living in a fantasy world. but i know lots of anti zionists who are ex self defined liberal zionists. it’s not so much getting zionists to compromise, as getting them to realize zionism, as it’s been historically practiced, won’t work. you have to think outside the box sometimes echi.

      • January 9, 2018, 7:27 pm

        Annie

        “… i know lots of anti zionists who are ex self defined liberal zionists.”

        Perhaps something like the 12 step program for addicts is appropriate to wean Zionists off of thier supremacy addiction in faster order. Here is a bastardized somewhat pirated version with one additional step:

        1. We admitted we were powerless over Zionism – that our lives had become unmanageable as bigots
        2. Came to believe we couldn’t solve the problem on our own, but that the group power of non-zionists and Palestinian humanity could restore us to sanity.
        3. We each nominated greater powers to remind us there are things bigger than ourselves – then we began to let go of self-will.
        4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
        5. Admitted without reservation to ourselves and another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
        6. Every few months made a shortlist of our defects most in need of attention.
        7. Made it a project to minimize one or more of our worse faults and improve our behavior.
        8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
        9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
        10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
        11. Sought through prayer and or meditation to improve our spiritual awareness and our understanding of the non-zionist way of life and to discover the power to carry out that way of life.
        12. We admitted to ourselves and openly proclaim to all zionists that hummus is not an Israeli dish nor is meze, stuffed grape leaves, or tabouli and that Rachel Ray is an idiot.
        13. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to zionists, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 9, 2018, 12:57 pm

      “IOW, Jewish supremacism is too big to fail,”

      Oh, I don’t know. The American Confederacy had about 5-6 million whites in it.

      • eljay
        eljay
        January 9, 2018, 1:33 pm

        || Mooser: “IOW, Jewish supremacism is too big to fail,”

        Oh, I don’t know. The American Confederacy had about 5-6 million whites in it. ||

        Sure, but whites are weak whereas Zionist Jews are Captain Israel strong!

  4. John O
    John O
    January 9, 2018, 11:33 am

    “… we don’t have another term for a political system in which one ethnic group rules over another …”

    Apartheid (Dutch/Afrikaans) is the mot juste (French) and attempts to call it something else may induce Schadenfreude (German) on account of the chutzpah (Yiddish/Hebrew) of those trying to find a euphemism (from the Greek) for it.

    Isn’t English great?

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 9, 2018, 3:29 pm

      “Isn’t English great?”

      Yes it is, but why can’t the English teach their children how to speak? Hear them down at SoHo Square, dropping h’s everywhere! Speaking English any way they like!
      And all while eating “chutney with chutzpah!”

  5. DaveS
    DaveS
    January 9, 2018, 1:15 pm

    This was a very significant column, especially coming on the heels of the Halbfinger article from a few days ago that Phil wrote about here – http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/kristof-zionist-rubicon/ . The Times is oh so mainstream on Israel and Palestine (“can’t we all just get along”?), as has been diligently reported here by Phil, James North, Donald Johnson, and many others on innumerable occasions. Now there are two prominent presentations of the one-state equal-rights solution appearing within days of each other. Neither is a full-throated endorsement, of course, but both address the issue with reasonable fairness and barely a raised eyebrow. Israel and its supporters have been successfully suppressing this reasonable and fair resolution, both by disparaging it as a secret plan to “destroy” the world’s only Jewish State and by proffering the supposedly more feasible and reasonable two-state solution as the only conceivable outcome. In fact, their efforts have been so successful that people like Norman Finkelstein and even Noam Chomsky have at least partially voiced agreement. Now that many are seeing the 2ss solution for what it always was – a chimera cynically used as a delaying tactic – the only truly fair solution is coming into focus.

    In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, the two-state solution was always much less fair and even less feasible (its only conceivable virtue) than one state of equals. It is very gratifying to see two non-hysterical presentations in the Times this week, even if it may turn out to be only the umpteenth dam-bursting tipping-point event. The relentless rightward drift of Israel may ultimately shoot itself in the foot after all.

    Goldberg deserves kudos for her courage, even though I would have written something significantly different if the Times had only invited me to be an op-ed columnist. I am much closer to Richard Falk’s brilliant analysis in mondoweiss yesterday – http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/state-solution-natural/ – but was more pleasantly surprised by the Goldberg column today.

  6. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    January 9, 2018, 2:20 pm

    ” But there is no alternative to 2 states. Destroying it doesn’t create an alternative out of the ashes. There is no giving up”

    Love to see Seidemann or any of these so called “Liberal Zionists” (non sequitur ) on stage with a power point describing this second state as in yes we have Hebron there and there will be a 100 metre deep 3 mile tunnel to the next Palestinian village or urban centre and further tunnels criss crossing the West bank oops sorry Judea and Samaria and there will be side service tunnels in each one ( a la Tunnel Sous La Manche ) to allow access for the non occupying IDF to set up temporary “security” .

    Cloud cuckoo land.

  7. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    January 9, 2018, 2:27 pm

    Zionism is a miserable ideology. The nature of groupthink means it is doomed.
    1967 was a pyrrhic victory

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      January 10, 2018, 11:00 am

      @Maghlawatan

      “Zionism is a miserable ideology. The nature of groupthink means it is doomed. 1967 was a pyrrhic victory.”

      As predicted:

      “Henry Morgenthau Sr., renowned Jewish American and former U.S. Ambassador to Turkey, 1919: “Zionism is the most stupendous fallacy in Jewish history….The very fervour of my feeling for the oppressed of every race and every land, especially for the Jews, those of my own blood and faith, to whom I am bound by every tender tie, impels me to fight with all the greater force against this scheme, which my intelligence tells me can only lead them deeper into the mire of the past, while it professes to be leading them to the heights. Zionism is… a retrogression into the blackest error, and not progress toward the light.” (Quoted by Frank Epp, Whose Land is Palestine?, p. 261)

      Asked to sign a petition supporting settlement of Jews in Palestine, Sigmund Freud declined: “I cannot…I do not think that Palestine could ever become a Jewish state….It would have seemed more sensible to me to establish a Jewish homeland on a less historically-burdened land….I can raise no sympathy at all for the misdirected piety which transforms a piece of a Herodian wall into a national relic, thereby offending the feelings of the natives.” (Letter to Dr. Chaim Koffler Keren HaYassod, Vienna: 2/26/30)

      Albert Einstein, 1939: “There could be no greater calamity than a permanent discord between us and the Arab people…. Let us recall that in former times no people lived in greater friendship with us than the ancestors of these Arabs.” (Einstein and Zionism by Banesh Hoffmann, in General Relativity and Gravitation, eds. G. Shaviv and J. Rosen, Wiley, 1975, p. 242)

      Lessing J. Rosenwald, president of the American Council for Judaism, 1944: “The concept of a racial state – the Hitlerian concept- is repugnant to the civilized world, as witness the fearful global war in which we are involved. . . , I urge that we do nothing to set us back on the road to the past. To project at this time the creation of a Jewish state or commonwealth is to launch a singular innovation in world affairs which might well have incalculable consequences.”

  8. January 9, 2018, 2:42 pm

    “The reason that Israeli liberals are viewed with contempt by the left is that they have more pity for themselves than for the people under the Israeli boot.”

    Well summed up – thanks Philip. I would only add that the left is starting to view all “liberal Zionists” with contempt. Linda Sarsour being one of many leading the charge.

    As you rightfully point out, it’s not like these liberal Israeli’s have seen the light, understand the evil that Zionism is, feel the need to repent, to sympathize with or have empathy for the Palestinians, none of it. They only feel the coming defeat. No remorse. No self reflection. Only the realization that the alternatives are either long gone or too painful or detrimental to entertain.

  9. Philip Munger
    Philip Munger
    January 9, 2018, 5:31 pm

    Goldberg (a friend of mine) ought to take the obvious next step here and endorse BDS. That would be a real slap at the occupation, and the least an American can do to support nonviolent resistance.

    I met Ms. Goldberg the first week of September, 2008, when Salon had tagged her to follow Sarah Palin during the presidential race. She impressed me deeply. While we mostly talked about Palin in the context of Goldberg’s 2006 book, Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism, she did know I had been involved in controversy for supporting Palestinian rights, and writing about Rachel Corrie. We discussed Palestinian rights and the drift of Israeli politics further and further to the right, but that was probably it. The thing I remember most about meeting her, was that she turned me on to what became my favorite vineyard, Rosenblum, headquartered near Berkeley, where she got her MS.

    I’ve followed her course since then, reading her next book too – The Means of Reproduction: Sex, Power, and the Future of the World. When she was picked to write important op-eds for the NYT, I was skeptical of how far she might be able to push her outspoken views.

    This column will provoke controversy and meaningful discussion. I doubt she would be able to keep her post at the Times and openly endorse BDS, though.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 9, 2018, 6:36 pm

      ” I doubt she would be able to keep her post at the Times and openly endorse BDS, though”

      Should it come to that, there still might be an outlet for her writing and reporting…

      • Philip Munger
        Philip Munger
        January 10, 2018, 4:35 am

        Yeah – but would you leave such a perch she has gained? Maybe, but you’re unique.

        Ms. Goldberg is less so.

        She has been savaged online and in NYT comments for her op-eds on Herr Trumpf, mostly for being a phony liberal. I don’t think she is that.

        I suppose they hired her as some sort of a test case along the lines of a realignment in management and editorial responsibilities, such changes being kept closely guarded.

        Along that line, Michelle and Phil W are correct in that so-called “liberal Zionism” is starting to stink as only really dead meat does. It is way too late to freeze, salt or smoke the stuff. It has become both unpalatable and toxic.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 10, 2018, 11:56 am

        ” but would you leave such a perch she has gained?

        Oh heck, I wouldn’t know what to do. Never fiddled on that high a roof.

    • ckg
      ckg
      January 10, 2018, 8:53 am

      This column will provoke controversy…

      I fear Ms Goldberg may be eating alone at the office lunchroom. Cohen and Friedman may someday join her table, but no way will mean boys Brooks and Stephens be sitting with her.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 10, 2018, 12:57 pm

        She must have given permission for the column to be published on Mondo. I would think.

  10. Keith
    Keith
    January 9, 2018, 5:58 pm

    PHIL- “… she insists that American Jews won’t prop it up in the long run.”

    Oh? Why not? And you can forget about the majority of Jews, it is the Jewish elite which set the agenda and STRONGLY support Israel. Support for Israel among the American Jewish Zionist elite provides the considerable benefit of kinship solidarity, a potent unifier of power seeking purpose in our multicultural society. Unless that changes, American Jewish Zionist elite support for Israel will remain strong. And since American Jewish Zionist fat-cats effectively own the Democratic Party, the Democrats are effectively Zionists. I am unaware of any source of concentrated power in the US which is anti-Zionist. None.

  11. Emet
    Emet
    January 10, 2018, 4:13 am

    Equal Rights? If it’s about equal rights then where are the Jews pushing the Muslim world for acceptance of Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount, the holiest site for Jews and the 3rd holiest site for Muslims? What no “equal rights” for Jews? The liberal Jews who are singly focused on “Palestinian rights”, have no idea what is really going on. Useful idiots you bunch are.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      January 10, 2018, 4:52 pm

      Truthout – January 10/18

      http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/43182-as-icc-considers-probing-israel-for-war-crimes-us-moves-to-defund-un-palestine-refugee-agency

      “As International Criminal Court Considers Probing Israel for War Crimes, US Moves to Defund UN Palestine Refugee Agency”

      EXCERPT:
      “Israel is facing a possible International Criminal Court war crimes probe over its 2014 assault on Gaza and the ongoing expansion of settlements in the occupied West Bank. Despite the threat, the Israeli defense minister announced on Tuesday Israel would approve the construction of hundreds of new settlement homes in the West Bank. This comes as Sweden criticized the Trump administration for threatening to cut off hundreds of millions of dollars of annual aid to the UN’s relief agency for Palestinian refugees. Palestinian legislator Hanan Ashrawi compared President Trump’s threat to cut off aid money to blackmail. For more, we speak with author and scholar Norman Finkelstein.”

  12. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    January 10, 2018, 9:26 am

    A question for you, Mondoweiss: You folks have indicated for a couple of years that the “two-state solution” was dead and now you are advocating a “one-state” obviously controlled and governed by the “government” in place, the brutal, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, land-stealing Zionists led by Benjamin Netanyahu, a ruthless individual and pathological liar: so how is all of this decades-old horrendous, galactic unlawful “behavior” going to be corrected, and how long with this “transition” last while Palestinians continue to suffer incalculable misery–pray-tell? Look forward to your response. Better yet, why don’t you folks do a piece on this and give the Palestinians a great deal of “comfort”–something they haven’t enjoyed for six decades.

    • Emet
      Emet
      January 11, 2018, 2:36 am

      Because the “Palestinian” story is like Swiss cheese. It’s full of holes. The more it is examined the more it is found wanting. Before the 1967 war, there were no settlements yet the Arabs and Palestinians declared war on the Jewish state. The Palestinians have also shown no willingness to share with the Jewish people. They, therefore, are the main party responsible for the situation they are now in. Hey James, enough with believing the fake news the Palestinian propaganda machine. Enough with the Swiss cheese.

      • eljay
        eljay
        January 11, 2018, 8:25 am

        || Emet: Because the “Palestinian” story is like Swiss cheese. It’s full of holes. … ||

        Unlike the claims of Jewish supremacists (Zionists), which are all holes and no cheese.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        January 11, 2018, 9:28 am

        Sheqer: “Before the 1967 war, there were no settlements .yet the Arabs and Palestinians declared war on the Jewish state.”

        Sheqer is just repeating his lies. The first Zionist settlement was in 1878. And it was not the Arabs and Palestinians who started a terror campagne in 1930s which transformed into a full scale war to conquer Palestine, expell its Nonjewish natives raze more than 400 villages and keep the rest under martial law until 1966.

        Sheqer: “The Palestinians have also shown no willingness to share with the Jewish people.”

        Another lie. They did until Zionist arrived who showed no willingness to share the land, but a willingness to take it over and “transform” it into a “Jewish state”.

        Sheqer: “They, therefore, are the main party responsible for the situation they are now in.”

        Sure. Zionist will never forget Palestinians for the Zionist settler colonialism and the crimes against humanity that came and still come with it.

        Anything else you need to pervert in the name of Zonist settler colonialism and your beloved Apartheid Junta?

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        January 11, 2018, 10:49 am

        “Before the 1967 war” there were 100s of settlements – planted on the top of Palestinian towns and villages. And back then, the Palestinians *in* israel were under martial law to prevent them from returning to towns and villages, lands they had been expelled from, in 47/48. Palestinians outside israel were (and still are) prevented from returning to *their* homes, towns, villages – and have never even been compensated for the theft and expulsion. Since the Palestinians have no armed forces it’s kinda difficult for them to carry out a war against the heavily armed, nuclear state of israel. They are *NOT* the party “responsible for the situation they are now in” – that would 100% be israel.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 11, 2018, 5:45 pm

        “The Palestinians have also shown no willingness to share with the Jewish people. ”

        During the Mandate period the Palestinians did not want to “share” their land with a bunch of foreign immigrants who intended to set up a state in which Palestinians would be, at best, second-class citizens. Why should they have been willing to “share” their land?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 11, 2018, 6:46 pm

        …the Jewish state… the Jewish people…” “Emet”

        Talk about Swiss cheese! The Zionists are individuals and organizations. They are not “the Jewish people”.

  13. Elizabeth Block
    Elizabeth Block
    January 10, 2018, 9:53 am

    “Why can’t they just get along?”
    That’s what a woman in a supermarket asked me, after she saw my Jews Against the Occupation button and asked what it was all about. My reply: Because the Jews want all the land with none of the people, and they are getting it.

  14. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    January 10, 2018, 10:20 am

    A footnote to my previous comment: Will this “one-state” bring about a true democracy and abolish the existing apartheid theocracy and, if so, would the existing “government” be required to demolish the hundreds of miles of those 26-foot concrete walls chopping up Palestinian lands in West Bank and East Jerusalem, abolish the hundreds of military checkpoints restricting Palestinian travel, allow all highways and roads accessible to Palestinians, end the Zionist Israeli siege/blockade imprisoning 1.8 million Palestinians in Gaza, end Zionist Israeli restrictions and attacks on Palestinian fishermen, release the 5,000 Palestinian political prisoners, and end all fascist apartheid “policies” and military occupation of Palestinian villages, neighborhoods, farm lands and other Palestinian assets and, if so, specifically how would all of these criminal activities and human/civil rights violations be ended and how long will it take for all of this to be accomplished? Permit me to be charitable in suggesting that bringing true democracy to the “Jewish State of Israel” can not happen in the foreseeable future. What say you, Mondoweiss?

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 10, 2018, 1:21 pm

      ” What say you, Mondoweiss?”

      Hows about:” We do not have a single editorial position on specific issues, but aim to build a diverse online community, with special focus on viewpoints generally ignored by large media outlets.”

    • MHughes976
      MHughes976
      January 10, 2018, 1:59 pm

      That transition is certainly not easy to imagine. The idea of Israeli agreement in advance seems inconceivable. The idea of agreement by the SA Whites to the end of the regime that favoured them also seemed, and indeed was, inconceivable until there was a major change in world circumstances with the end of the Cold War. So might need another change as momentous as that, which isn’t visibly on the horizon. Still, the transition doesn’t seem utterly beyond all hope, since we have the example of the SA transition before us.

  15. genesto
    genesto
    January 10, 2018, 11:52 am

    ‘Goldberg’s apostasy is a reminder that the most disputed space in the conflict is the space between American Jews’ ears’

    Priceless insight, Phil! just wish I, as a non Jew, could parrot this.

  16. afmeyers
    afmeyers
    January 10, 2018, 12:28 pm

    Taking on Michelle Goldberg as a regular columnist is the best thing the Times has done in recent memory. You can also catch her on MSNBC.

  17. James Canning
    James Canning
    January 10, 2018, 12:53 pm

    I continue to think BDS is actually in Israel’s own true best interests.

  18. Talkback
    Talkback
    January 11, 2018, 10:20 am

    Phillip Weiss: “… but she knows that what Israel is practicing is apartheid …”

    She never claimed that Israel was practicing Apartheid. You quoted her out of context. She claimed that it would practice Apartheid IF Israel abandons the two state solution and went for a one state solution in which Palestinians in the Westbank would be only stateless residents of an autonomy with limited local administrative sovereignty instead becoming Israeli citizens with full rights and political represention.

    She doesn’t realize that Israel is allready practicing Apartheid by denying Palestinian refugees to return and regain citizenship, full rights and political representation.

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