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‘Our stones are stronger than their weapons’: thousands in Gaza demonstrate for the ninth straight Friday

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Sabah al-Salibi collected dozens of small stones with her daughters, Susan, 22, and Rawand, 24. She said she wanted to pass them to the demonstrators whose eyes were blurry from teargas “to save them time by finding suitable stones” to throw at Israeli snipers hidden behind earthen berms at the Gaza – Israel fence.

Even though she was hit in the chin by shrapnel from an explosive bullet when the rallies reached their peak on May 14, Sabah, 50, insisted on participating with the thousands of demonstrators who protested during the ninth Friday of the March of the Great Return, which began on March 30.

“Although these stones are small and few, but are stronger than their bullets and gas canisters,” al-Salibi said. These stones were a source of frenzy for the Israelis when they were occupied Gaza in the 1987 uprising. The army used to impose a general cordon in Gaza in search of young men throwing stones at army.

Collecting small stones (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Meanwhile, according to Gaza’s Ministry of Health, nine women and four children were among the 109 Palestinians who were wounded by Israeli gunfire while participating in the continuing protest along the border.

The latest round of protests came after hours of Israel’s Supreme Court unanimously rejected two petitions presented by human rights organizations demanding Israel’s troops avoid using live ammunition against Gaza’s protests. On Thursday, the panel of three justices sided with the Israeli military, which argued that the protesters constituted a real danger to Israeli troops. Israel maintains its forces use of live fire is in line with both domestic and international law, arguing the demonstrations are part of the country’s conflict with Hamas, which governs the Gaza Strip.

Four children were among the 109 Palestinians wounded by Israeli gunfire (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

“The Israeli Court completely ignored the broad factual basis presented to it by the petitioners, which includes multiple testimonies of wounded and reports of international organizations involved in documenting the killing and wounding of unarmed protesters in Gaza,” the human rights groups said.

On Twitter, Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman welcomed the ruling and criticized the rights organizations for challenging the military.

Since the demonstration began, Israeli army killed at least 115 demonstrators, and wounded more than 13,000.

After running behind Sabah who was rushing to around 150 meters from the fence to share her remaining stones, she yelled twice: “We will not give up!” Participating here weekly is a powerful message that we refuse what they did against our fathers and grandfathers 70 years ago. She told Mondoweiss.

Suhaila Abu Riash (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Not far away, Suhaila Abu Riash, 65 was also protesting in her own style.

She was spraying protesters’ faces with a homemade yeast and water mixture, that she believes might help alleviate the effects of tear gas.

I met the 65-year-old Abu Riash, while she was waiting another round of gas canisters dropping down from an Israeli drone. She said: “Nine weeks are not enough to express long years of anger.”

I gave a martyr in 2014’s war and ready to scarify by more sons if this protest needs. She told Mondoweiss. “No problem, but we will return and Israel will be vanished at the end, as we say: ‘Injustice cannot last.'”  Abu Riash, a mother of seven children, and her parents were displaced from Hiribya – located 14 kilometers northeast of Gaza.

Round of gas canisters dropping down from an Israeli drone. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Fighting the teargas (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

At the other side of the border, Gazans have been using burning kites to torch Israeli fields and forests as part of the March events.

A large scale fire broke out in the lands near Kibbutz Nir Am on Friday evening, the Jerusalem Post reported.

The Kibbutz is covered by heavy smoke, the cause of the fire is suspected to be a burning Palestinian kite flown in from Gaza.

The largest blaze yet sparked by the firebomb-bearing kites happened Wednesday near Kibbutz Be’eri, an Israeli community located some 4.3 miles east of Gaza’s Bureij refugee camp. The fire took over six hours to extinguish and consumed dozens of dunams of grasslands and agricultural fields in the area.

In recent weeks, Gazans have been flying flaming kites into Israel outfitted with containers of burning fuel, setting fire to large swaths of fields.

Since the demonstration began, Israeli army has wounded more than 13,000. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Since the demonstration began, Israeli army killed at least 115 demonstrators (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

At least 3,500 Palestinians have been victims of live fire, including, the elderly, journalists, paramedics, women and children. (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

Thousands of demonstrators protest (Photo: Mohammed Asad)

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  1. Kay24
    Kay24
    May 27, 2018, 7:06 am

    I guess all those videos of unarmed Palestinians being brutally killed by snipers, will make the zionists want to cover their crimes, in every way.

    “The Palestinian Journalist Syndicate (PCJ) released a statement on Saturday condemning the proposal of a new bill in the Israeli Knesset that would criminalize the photographing or recording of Israeli soldiers while on duty.

    The bill was proposed on Thursday with the support of right-wing Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, and if passed, those found in violation of the law could face a prison sentence of up to five years.”

    https://www.juancole.com/2018/05/palestinian-journalists-criminalizing.html

  2. Stephen Shenfield
    Stephen Shenfield
    May 27, 2018, 2:20 pm

    Israel will be vanished at the end, as we say: ‘Injustice cannot last.’

    Does this mean “Israel will be vanquished” or “Israel will vanish”?

    Nothing lasts forever, but there is ample historical evidence that injustice can last for millennia.

    If the demonstrations did indeed include a lot of stone throwing then they cannot be described as non-violent, even if none of the stones hit their targets. The political benefits of nonviolence are thereby jettisoned. It’s a free gift to Israeli propaganda.

    In some mystical sense pebbles thrown by hand or slingshot may be stronger than bullets fired by guns, but what purpose do they serve in the world of mundane reality? Beyond expressing anger? What is the strategy to which they contribute?

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      May 27, 2018, 3:32 pm

      No strategy, just venting otherwise totally hopeless frustration at being unable to defend oneself. Not hard to understand. Of course, it would be best strategically if everyone participating in the protest did nothing but shake their fist at the IDF snipers, or just stand there, awaiting a bullet or tear gas canister, etc. This, assuming such total non-violence was vividly recorded, and allowed to go, and stay, on the internet, at least. I read that not all of Ghandi’s followers were non-violent….

      • Stephen Shenfield
        Stephen Shenfield
        May 27, 2018, 5:03 pm

        I was not aware that any of Gandhi’s followers were violent. I think he would have repudiated them. At least the violence was not widespread or salient enough to undermine his strategy. Please give a reference.

      • mariapalestina
        mariapalestina
        May 28, 2018, 12:19 pm

        If Palestinians decided to vent their frustration by shaking their fists rather than throwing stones it’s likely Israel would pass a new law declaring fist shaking a threat to Israeli troops and punishable by death.

      • just
        just
        May 28, 2018, 2:44 pm

        “Though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defense or for the defense of the defenseless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission. The latter befits neither man nor woman. Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery. Every man must judge this for himself. No other person can or has the right.”

        Mahatma Gandhi

        http://www.azquotes.com/author/5308-Mahatma_Gandhi/tag/self-defense

        “Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs… Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home”

        ― Mahatma Gandhi

        https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/113996-palestine-belongs-to-the-arabs-in-the-same-sense-that

        Lastly:

        “Between Cowardice And Violence
        I WOULD risk violence a thousand times rather than risk the emasculation of a whole race. …”

        read the entire piece @ https://www.mkgandhi.org/nonviolence/phil8.htm

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        June 16, 2018, 12:58 pm

        How do you think the Gandhi period was prepared and accompanied, if not by continual, extremely violent resistance over hundreds of years? India was a paradise of peace and all of sudden out came this peaceful guy and bds’ed the empire and all came tumbling down?

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      May 27, 2018, 3:44 pm

      Injustice can last for a very long time. The Indian caste system is a good example. But it requires autarchy. The economic system has to be self sustaining.
      Israel is plugged into the global economic system. It imports most of its food and oïl. It is dependent utterly on the US. It couldn’t function independently for more than a few weeks.
      So its sick system will not last.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      Stephen Shenfield
      May 27, 2018, 5:00 pm

      I have been arguing about Gaza with a number of correspondents. When they agree to view the situation as Israel facing non=violent demonstrations they have to admit that the Israeli reaction deserves condemnation. However, the sort of actions celebrated in this article, however ineffective and atypical they may be, allow people to define the situation as war. This triggers such cliches as “war is war” and “there are always innocent victims in war”. The condemnation of Israel is softened, it become relative or nuanced, if it does not disappear altogether. On the one hand, on the other hand…

      I can still argue. I can say that this is not war in any meaningful sense. It is play-acting at war. When one side suffers all the casualties and the other not so much as a scratch that is not war. But the picture is muddled. I am no longer on such firm ground, it becomes harder to convince people.

      World opinion is moving in the right direction. More and more people in the world sympathize with the Palestinians. But there is still a long way to go to the tipping point at which governments will have to change their policies, especially here in the US. The movement would be faster without this play-acting at war.

      I think that this is a microcosm of the harmful political effect that these antics are having.

    • Emory Riddle
      Emory Riddle
      May 27, 2018, 5:23 pm

      Guess I missed the widespread violence by the Palestinians in an action where 60 plus Palestinians were killed, over 2,000 grievously wounded. with no deaths and apparently one minor injury on the Israeli side.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        Stephen Shenfield
        May 27, 2018, 8:51 pm

        This article is about stone throwing. Fire kites are also mentioned. Arguably these actions should not be called violence in view of their ineffectiveness. They might be called symbolic violence or simulated violence or pseudo-violence or quasi-violence. Whatever they are called, their political effect is very harmful to the Palestinian cause. They make it easy for Israeli propaganda to confuse and mislead people and divert attention from the shootings.

      • Emory Riddle
        Emory Riddle
        May 28, 2018, 9:01 am

        “This article is about stone throwing. Fire kites are also mentioned. Arguably these actions should not be called violence in view of their ineffectiveness. They might be called symbolic violence or simulated violence or pseudo-violence or quasi-violence. Whatever they are called, their political effect is very harmful to the Palestinian cause. They make it easy for Israeli propaganda to confuse and mislead people and divert attention from the shootings.”

        Give me a break. Palestinians will be vilified no matter what they do except die.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      May 28, 2018, 10:45 am

      @Stephen Shenfield

      I understand where you’re coming from, but you’re way off base. Be realistic. Only an idiot, the grossly uninformed or an avid supporter of Zionism would equate dispossessed, imprisoned, long suffering, desperate, defenseless Palestinian stone throwers supported by international law, (e.g., the Fourth Geneva Convention) with snipers armed to the teeth with high powered rifles, etc., given permission by their leaders and Supreme Court to use them without hesitation. As recent events attest, even if they were not throwing stones, demonstrating Palestinians, including children, would still be shot, killed and wounded.

  3. Kay24
    Kay24
    May 27, 2018, 9:47 pm

    BDS is the only answer. Everything else has been tried, and the occupier clings to the status quo to keep the occupation going, so that they can keep building illegal settlements, and kill at will. They should be hit where it hurts most, the economy.

    https://boycottisraeltoday.wordpress.com/boycott-israel/

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      May 28, 2018, 1:15 am

      The Israeli system is not stable. It is not mOving in the direction of equilibrium. It cannot reform itself. Self regulation does not work.

      Brzezinski saw the big picture.

      http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/brzezinski-the-syria-crisis-8636 “But in the long run, a hostile region like that cannot be policed, even by a nuclear-armed Israel. It will simply do to Israel what some of the wars have done to us on a smaller scale. Attrite it, tire it, fatigue it, demoralize it, cause emigration of the best and the first, and then some sort of cataclysm at the end which cannot be predicted at this stage ”

      BDS is an attempt to stop the insanity before the Wolf arrives.
      There is no upside for Yossi Israeli but there is a chance to save something . Unfortunately Yossi is not interested in damage limitation .

      https://youtu.be/9rSd15MWgmg

    • Stephen Shenfield
      Stephen Shenfield
      May 28, 2018, 9:45 am

      “Palestinians will be vilified no matter what they do except die.”

      By Israel, yes. But that is not the point. I am talking about the impact on world opinion. So long as Israel can make even halfway plausible excuses, presenting Palestinians as a threat to border security, many people will avoid condemning Israel unreservedly. For example, Israel may be criticized for ‘disproportionate use of force’, implying that proportionate use would be justified. If Palestinians posed no threat that could be believed by rational people Israel would still vilify them but they would have to expose their true attitude, i.e., Palestinians are subhuman and we have the right to kill them, and that could be accepted only by the most racist section of world opinion.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        May 28, 2018, 10:03 am

        Israel is on shaky ground since
        A It killed the 2SS
        B Gaza is slowly falling apart

        Most viewers in the West * are decent and expect fairness. * except evangelicals
        Israel is obnoxious and has no solutions.
        More and more people are figuring this out

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        May 28, 2018, 5:00 pm

        Shenfield

        By Israel, yes. But that is not the point. I am talking about the impact on world opinion

        No, you’re talking about Neo-Goebbelsian Zionist propaganda. If that’s the source of your opinions, no need to talk. If you want to counter them, you start with international law and the Nuremberg principles, not with being a limp washcloth that agrees to and reinforces all enemy propaganda.
        Start by deciding the essential questions: -Which side are you on? -If it’s not in support of the few very basic principles, why are you on this side while you are more attracted by the other? World opinion pretty much sees what’s going on (hint= it ain’t the same thing as the Zionists’ and the governments’ opinion.)

  4. Misterioso
    Misterioso
    May 28, 2018, 10:13 am

    Some good news from Canada:

    http://elizabethmaymp.ca/publications/2018/05/16/statement-condemning-the-targeting-of-civilians-in-gaza/

    Elizabeth May, Leader of Canada’s federal Green Party: Statement condemning the targeting of civilians in Gaza – May 16th, 2018 in Press Releases, Publications

    (OTTAWA) — “Since March 30, Israeli Defence Forces have targeted and killed 110 Palestinians, including 12 children, with more than 12,000 injured. Today marks the final day of the Palestinians’ mass protests demanding their right to return to their original homes.

    “’Targeting civilian protesters is in direct violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, to which both Israel and Canada are signatories,’ said Elizabeth May (MP, Saanich-Gulf Islands). ‘We call on the Liberal government to join us in demanding that Israel immediately stop targeting civilians.’

    “’We again call on the government to cease all arms shipments to Israel, and to join with the international community in demanding an independent investigation into the recent killings. If we want to see international law respected, we must hold those who violate it accountable.’

    “Palestinians around the world mark today as their ‘day of catastrophe,’ commemorating the displacement of over 700,000 people from their homes and properties leading up to and following the creation of Israel.

    “The rights of all people in the region must be respected in the context of two viable states — Israel and Palestine — living side by side in peace and prosperity.”

  5. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    May 28, 2018, 1:14 pm

    @Stephen Shenfield
    “But there is still a long way to go to the tipping point at which governments will have to change their policies, especially here in the US. The movement would be faster without this play-acting at war.

    I think that this is a microcosm of the harmful political effect that these antics are having”

    I think your choice of words to put it mildly is inappropriate.To describe what the trapped inmates of the Gaza ghetto have done and continue to do as “play acting at war” or “antics” is simply condescending.

    What sort of “non antics” options are available to them. And please ask yourself if someone is repeatedly kicking you in the head in order to stop you from reclaiming what they have stolen from you and you fight back can that be described as “antics”.

    Please remember Stephen what Israel Zios fear most are not firecracker rockets or Kites of Mass destruction or even kitchen knives – what they fear most is peaceful protest ” terror” and they will use every trick in their loathsome book to provoke “violence” by the peaceful protests and spin it as evidence of the ongoing Second Holocaustally threatening terrorist war against mankinds greatest ever victims.Sob.

    Besides which the scumbags really have developed a lust for killing and blood.The good old Chosen Land would no longer simply be a rewarding place to colonise and live in without the opportunity for regular untermenschen killing.

  6. brent
    brent
    May 29, 2018, 3:17 am

    Stephen Shenfield, thank you so much for bringing common sense to this emotionally charged issue. You are hitting the nail on the head. I suspect your critics haven’t had the benefit of having attempted to lobby their Member and learned what they are up against. You are offering insights into what is necessary to turn around the misfortunes of Palestinians. Let us pray there are some pragmatic Palestinian minds paying attention….. for the sake of not only Palestinians but all of us.

    • gamal
      gamal
      May 29, 2018, 11:33 am

      ” Let us pray there are some pragmatic Palestinian minds paying attention….. for the sake of not only Palestinians but all of us”

      I agree best to start with an unwarranted slur against the Palestinian people, “not only Palestinians but all of us”…? by which you mean what exactly?

      “You are offering insights into what is necessary to turn around the misfortunes of Palestinians”

      you have no shame do you, you know how to “turn around the misfortunes of Palestinians”, which is

      ” If Palestinians posed no threat that could be believed by rational people Israel would still vilify them but they would have to expose their true attitude”

      oh dear “rational people”…”expose their true attitude”…Fucking Palestinians if only they had you’re and Stephens insights..5000 wounded 100 dead, no Israeli casualties, medieval siege 70 years of expulsion bombing repression murder and massacre, fucking Palestinians if only they’d been pragmatic none of that would have been necessary…smug hatred posing as impassioned humanism…do you even fool yourself with that shit?

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      May 29, 2018, 1:14 pm

      Another one who believes in getting results by lobbying “their Members”. What exactly do you have to show for that in, say, the last 100 years? Lobbying today’s politicians (or in the US, voting for the Democrats, or also the Pukes) guarantees that the Palestinian genocide will be completed –while you can continue to soothe your conscience for the next 100 years, knowing that you voted and lobbied.

  7. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    May 29, 2018, 7:18 am

    what I guess the idiots do not realize is that bullets are just part of the evolution of slung stones and rocks, nothing more or less. You babies would be bitching if the IDF invented a way to sling stones at accurate hypersonic speeds. And don’t give me the bullshit that the sling shot experts in Gaza are not used for some of the most beautiful and dramatically composed ‘photojournalism’ in the press. I am sure if we were so inclined (which we are not) to use the hundreds of maimed victims of Palestinian Arab violence as front line fighters in wheel chairs and crutches surrounded by hordes of photogs it could be carried off. But that’s not the far left narrative.

    • eljay
      eljay
      May 29, 2018, 8:53 am

      || @Bak: … I am sure if we were so inclined (which we are not) to use the hundreds of maimed victims of Palestinian Arab violence as front line fighters in wheel chairs and crutches surrounded by hordes of photogs it could be carried off. … ||

      Your assertion that Zionists prefer to take the high road is amusing given that the Holocaust, committed by Germany, has been whored out for decades by Zionists and the “Jewish State” to justify and defend their past and on-going (war) crimes against the Palestinians.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 29, 2018, 12:40 pm

      “But that’s not the far left narrative.”

      “DaBakr” if you’ve got complaints about the “left”, talk to “Jon s”. I think you will see you are not so far apart.

    • Boris
      Boris
      May 29, 2018, 11:30 pm

      … if the IDF invented a way to sling stones at accurate hypersonic speeds

      Easy.

      IDF could drop stones from helicopters.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 30, 2018, 12:54 pm

        “IDF could drop stones from helicopters.”

        Nah. “Boris” there’s a little check-point on the way down known as ‘terminal velocity’. You can find it yourself in about eight seconds, give it a try.

        Musta been a big blow to Russian physics when you discovered your real nationality, “Boris”.

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 30, 2018, 1:33 pm

        || Mooser: “IDF could drop stones from helicopters.”

        Nah. “Boris” there’s a little check-point on the way down known as ‘terminal velocity’. … ||

        There’s also the danger of Palestinians using burning kites to shoot down Israeli choppers.

        Israel should just stick to guided missiles, white phosphorus, snipers and other forms of “necessary evil”.

      • Boris
        Boris
        May 31, 2018, 6:52 am

        ‘terminal velocity’???

        You mean no one was ever hurt by a brick falling from a construction site, Mu-Mu?

        You are so bright…

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 31, 2018, 8:47 am

        || Boris: ‘terminal velocity’???

        You mean no one was ever hurt by a brick falling from a construction site, Mu-Mu?

        You are so bright… ||

        Bricks from construction sites fall at hypersonic speeds? Really?

        You are so dumb, Bo-Bo.

      • Boris
        Boris
        May 31, 2018, 11:50 am

        Ok, you got me.

        I did not realize that the key word is “hypersonic”.

        Like a stone has to reach that speed in order to crush someone’s head.

        I am surprised no one had commented on the “accurate”…

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 31, 2018, 12:29 pm

        || Boris: Ok, you got me.

        I did not realize that the key word is “hypersonic”. … ||

        Don’t know how you missed it – it’s right there in the snippet of comment you selected, quoted and replied to: ” … if the IDF invented a way to sling stones at accurate hypersonic speeds“.

        || … I am surprised no one had commented on the “accurate”… ||

        There isn’t enough time in the day to comment on every crazy thing TheBaker writes…  ;-)

  8. eljay
    eljay
    May 29, 2018, 8:13 am

    || @Daak @ May 29, 2018, 7:18 am ||

    Poor, (war) criminal Israel: Day in and day out – decade after decade – it steals, occupies, colonizes, oppresses, tortures and kills but none of its evil deeds ever wins the ribbon of “most beautiful and dramatically composed ‘photojournalism’ in the press”.  :-(

    • guyn
      guyn
      May 29, 2018, 9:24 am

      “Two boats carrying 17 student activists and Palestinians injured during the recent Great March of Return protests have left the Gaza Strip’s shore attempting to break Israel’s siege on the coastal enclave, and have been quickly surrounded by Israeli warships.”
      http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-warships-surround-gaza-boats-1446901463

      Oops, there is Palestinians injured on the boats. DaBakr will not like that.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        May 29, 2018, 12:41 pm

        israeli warships called out to quickly surround boats full of injured palestinians. I can’t think of anything obscene enough to call that patented israeli cowardice. warships v boats of injured palestinians. Unfucking believable, except it’s israel so it’s believable because there’s 70 years of documentation of the cowardly trigger happy turds in action.

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 29, 2018, 1:18 pm

        || Marnie: israeli warships called out to quickly surround boats full of injured palestinians. I can’t think of anything obscene enough to call that patented israeli cowardice. warships v boats of injured palestinians. Unfucking believable … ||

        Yup. There seems to be no level of injustice and immorality to which Zionists won’t sink.

  9. ArleneJohnson
    ArleneJohnson
    May 29, 2018, 11:50 am

    The state of Israel lies again. Here’s what I published on Hamas:

    Hamas was created by Mossad in order that the Israeli government would never have to sit down to negotiate peace with the Palestinian people.
    See http://www.truedemocracy.net/w01/10.html

    The proof is in the information that Prime Minister Rabin was assassinated by the Israeli government. He wanted to negotiate peace with the Palestinian people, so his own government assassinated him in November 1995. See http://www.truedemocracy.net/td4/48s-b-israel.html

    To understand the hell the Palestinians are forced to endure, see http://www.truedemocracy.net/td-10/index.html

  10. jsinton
    jsinton
    May 29, 2018, 5:55 pm

    Okay, I get it. If I were a young Palestinian who grew up in Gaza the last 20 years, I’d be flying burning kites, slinging stones, you name it. There would be no end to my anger. But lets call a spade a spade: This is a violent protest. It is very easy for the Western press, the unwashed masses, and the neo-liberal governments to just carry on with business as usual, and just slough off the Palestinians. The pictures on the TV, in the newspaper, on the Internet… showed a bunch of towel-headed animals in violent protest for the viewing audience to judge as untermench Muslims. “Israel has the right to defend itself”. How many times did we hear that the last week?

    You see the problem? Palestinians need a “Gandhi” a “MLK”. They tried 70 years of violence, things only got worse, didn’t they? Not that I deny their right to liberate Palestine by any means necessary, I certainly support international law. But flying burning kites and throwing stones at Zion…. well it’s just not going to work. What will work is BDS, and PEACEFUL NON VIOLENT PROTEST. Sure, it’s a long plan, but it’s the only game in town now.

    So I get it, but any fool can see violent protest won’t work.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      May 29, 2018, 6:32 pm

      Sinton,

      Any fool, even a blind one, can see that your lambs-to-the-slaughter nonsense doesn’t work. If it did, there would have been at least some vague instances of results with this strategy in the last 100 years. All one has to show for it so far is tens of thousands dead plus the known devastation.

      It’s all very well for total ignorants to bleat “Gandhi, Mandela” when they have no freakin idea of the amount of quite violent struggle it took –completed of course by some non-violent mass tactics towards the end of the struggle.

      “BDS” as you call it will work somewhat to educate the public. Provided its leaders don’t continue to limit the action to what “liberal” Zionists are demanding.

      If you really think that the amount of support to be expected from European so–called liberals and their US-puppet governments with the express condition of abandoning the Palestinian people’s basic rights is sufficient to get rid of the Zionists and give justice, you must be exceptionally if not pathologically naive. In my eyes, your requests and reasoning fully coincide with that of the Zionist leadership.

      • jsinton
        jsinton
        May 29, 2018, 9:43 pm

        So, your solution is….?

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        May 30, 2018, 2:38 am

        Your “solution” is to just lay down and die, also avoiding the extra expense (to the US taxpayer) of Zionist bullets. We get that.
        As for your question, it is, how should I say it, even more clueless than the orders you guys are giving to the Palestinian people. Or rather channeling the oh-so-well-meaning suggestions of the enemy.

    • eljay
      eljay
      May 29, 2018, 7:42 pm

      || jsinton: … You see the problem? Palestinians need a “Gandhi” a “MLK”. … ||

      But when all the Palestinian Gandhis and MLKs are either in jail or dead – courtesy of the “Jewish State” of Israel – what then?

      The real problem is that a LOT more Palestinians will have to die before the West finally decides that the benefits of backing a deliberately and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” regime don’t outweigh the costs.

      • jsinton
        jsinton
        May 29, 2018, 9:47 pm

        Well I’d rather save lives, and not suppose that Palestinians have to sacrifice their lives to be heard. I think it’s pretty clear the Zionists don’t mind slaying Palestinians, but I get the sense that if it’s non-violent, Zionists lose.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        May 30, 2018, 2:51 am

        Sinton:

        I get the sense that if it’s non-violent, Zionists lose

        Based on which result of the last 100 years of non–violence? They are manifestly on a winning streak. Even the poisoned gifts of Oslo were the direct and unmistakable result of the Intifada.

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 30, 2018, 7:57 am

        || jsinton: Well I’d rather save lives, and not suppose that Palestinians have to sacrifice their lives to be heard. I think it’s pretty clear the Zionists don’t mind slaying Palestinians, but I get the sense that if it’s non-violent, Zionists lose. ||

        I’d rather save lives, too, but I think it’s pretty clear that the Zionists don’t mind pressing on with their colonialist and supremacist “Jewish State” project and:
        – slaying Palestinians if they do protest (because every protest is a threat and every threat justifies murder in self-defence); or
        – leaving Palestinians to rot if they don’t protest (because if they’re not protesting there’s no reason to change the status quo).

      • gamal
        gamal
        May 30, 2018, 8:02 am

        “to sacrifice their lives to be heard”

        so why are you discussing the Palestinians in Gaza and not say those in the Lebanese camps or Jordan, do you hear them?

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      May 29, 2018, 7:44 pm

      Tell us, jsinton, how many people the Palestinians harmed with their ‘violence’?

      it was *symbolic*. Our msm totally distorts that in its pro-zionist reporting. The burning tyres were meant to obscure the view of the snipers.

      Does it mean that because our msm didn’t show active sniper nests that there was no israeli violence? Put the blame where it belongs. On israel for its violence. On the msm for never, ever reporting the truth around the issues. On our politicians for their full bore support for absolutely any israeli war crimes.

      • jsinton
        jsinton
        May 29, 2018, 9:26 pm

        Well hold on to your hats. What’s an uncle Bibi to do when the natives are restless? Why,fire up the lawnmower of course. Seems like with all the mayhem at the fence, we missed all the provocations being inflicted on Hamas. Hamas didn’t respond to Israeli provocations during the protests, but now that Nakba day is over and the new embassy is open, time for the next phase. Today, Hamas finally shelled Israel all around Gaza strip. Israel followed suit and bombed Gaza again. Hezbollah says if Israel bombs Gaza, Hezbollah will rocket Israel. God help us all.

      • brent
        brent
        May 29, 2018, 11:59 pm

        jisinton, the logic of your analysis is sound. The less pragmatic, emotionally focused, will not agree, however. The simple reality that the deck is stacked, politically, journalistically, culturally, dictates the need for well thought through strategy and discipline. Many don’t realize nonviolence is more powerful than an army, especially in this case. They look at it like its proponents expect Israel to welcome/reward the non-violence. The rise of Hamas was facilated, funded for a reason. The opposite, it would be recognized as a powerful weapon and resisted, punished to incite the violence that is the game they can win. Another way of making this point, a discussion of “what is fair” is exactly what hardliners have long been acting to prevent.

        Palestinians are already mostly non-violent and I hope will realize the advantages, indeed the necessity of objecting, marginalizing violence or they will lose the advantage and power of non-violence. One can’t be half pregnant. Wishy-washy won’t work. The head, not the heart, is needed for this difficult task. The basic idea is to isolate the problematic elements politically. Many in Congress have long resented that “ring” in their nose and would welcome having it dislodged. Palestinians have that in their power.

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