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‘Ali is on the grill!’ Israeli settlers celebrate burning of Palestinian baby

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There’s something particularly disturbing about celebrating the burning alive of a baby.

This is precisely what Israeli Jewish settlers were doing yesterday, outside the court in Lod. “’Ali was burned, where is Ali? Ali is on the grill!”, they chanted, in reference to the 18-month old baby Ali Dawbsheh, who was burnt alive by Jewish terrorists in the West Bank town of Duma in 2015. Ali’s mother Riham and father Saad died of their wounds a few weeks later. Of the family of four, only 5-year-old Ahmad survived the arson with severe burns.

The terror-supporters were actually taunting Ali’s grandfather, Hussein Dawabshe, who was attending a preliminary hearing at which the court decided to indict one adult suspect who confessed to the murders, as well as a minor who was an accomplice. Hussein was accompanied by Palestinian-Israeli lawmakers Ayman Odeh and Ahmed Tibi. Tibi posted the video of the chanting, with policemen standing by doing nothing, and wrote:

“Where’s Ali? There’s no Ali. Ali is burned. On the fire. Ali is on the grill” – all this was thrown at our face – including at the grandfather Dawbsheh concerning his 18-month-old grandson by the riff raff of ‘price tag’. In front of us stood policemen and officers and did nothing. No words…

The terror supporters also referred to the other family members: “Where is Ali? Where is Riham? Where is Saad? It’s too bad Ahmed didn’t burn as well.”

This is certainly not the first time that the burning of this baby was celebrated. In December 2015, a video showing dozens of wedding guests celebrating the arson went public via Channel 10. The guests are seen dancing with Molotov cocktails, knives and guns, and stabbing a photo of baby Ali Dawabsheh. The wedding couple was said to be “very well known in the radical right”. Following widespread public outrage, Netanyahu distanced himself from the event, saying that these were “shocking images” which “show the true face of a group that constitutes a danger”, but he also provided the “many sides” narrative:

“That is not the proud religious Zionism that contributes to the state, and whose sons serve in the elite units in the army… It is also impossible to compare the scope of that terror with Arab terror. In the last month they [Arabs] carried out hundreds of attacks against us, and we saw just a few Jewish terrorist attacks.”

A year later, 13 people from what became known as the “murder wedding” were indicted for incitement to terrorism.

Meanwhile, last month, in what was probably much less noticed, the Dawabsheh family home was torched once again:

“A group of settlers attacked my home at dawn today, breaking a window and throwing a Molotov cocktail inside before fleeing the scene,” Yasser Dawabsheh said. “We were lucky that I was able to hear them when they attacked, so I was able to evacuate all my family,” he said. “Fire crews reacted quickly and put out the fire before the whole house burnt down…”

The defense had made a central issue of the torture that was applied in the early interrogations close to the time of the arson, and this was a can of worms for the court. 

The defendants made an issue of their interrogations by Shin Bet officers, saying that they were tortured. In fact, the settlers had held a press conference to this effect at the very same hall in which the “murder wedding” was held. 

The court announced at yesterday’s preliminary hearing that confessions obtained under torture by the Shin Bet interrogators would not be admissible, but that later confessions would be admissible. Haaretz note:

“If the confessions had been declared admissible, they probably would have ended in a conviction of the two suspects, legal experts had said. The rejection is a blow to the State Prosecutor’s Office as it will now be more difficult to obtain a conviction.”

Of course, Israel and the court refer to torture with euphemisms such as “moderate physical pressure” and “special methods”. But it’s torture – and the Haaretz coverage is clear about that, and even charts out some of the torture methods. The thing is, that torture (under whatever euphemism) is legal in Israel under certain circumstances, known as the “ticking bomb” scenario – where there is knowledge of other network members at large, who are bound to perpetrate an attack. Haaretz:

“Law enforcement agencies said the interrogation was justified because the two suspects had knowledge about a group that sought to perpetrate similar attacks. In the event, there were two failed attempts to commit similar attacks.”

So is the court now saying that torture is not permissible under any circumstance?

In 2007, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that torture was permissible under those ‘special circumstances.’ The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) slammed it, saying the ruling was interpreted by the Shin Bet as a green light to torture almost every Palestinian detainee. “Today in Israel, there is no effective barrier – not legal and certainly not ethical – that stands in the way of using torture. A secret service organization such as the GSS (Shin Bet) decides independently to use torture and, afterwards, investigates itself as to whether the use of interrogation was justified,” the committee said.

Israel has effectively been permitting torture in various modes. In 1987 the Landau commission overtly legalized torture. This prompted the outspoken scientist Yeshayahu Leibowitz to call Supreme Court judge Moshe Landau a “Judeo-Nazi”. Israel has wandered back and forth with the legality and its more or less overt modes, but the practices have continued.

Yet now the Lod court is effectively saying that confessions from such practices are simply inadmissible under any circumstances. Would this also apply to Palestinians? This is doubtfully the case. The court is only a District Court, and it is only relating to this particular case, which happens to involve Jewish – not Palestinian – terrorists.

Judge Ruth Lorach was particularly effusive in her appraisal of the “special methods.” She said, “These methods have hurt the basic rights of the defendants in a severe manner – rights concerning preservation of the wholeness of the body and soul, and they have hurt their dignity.” 

(This quote is notably only to be found in the Hebrew version of the Haaretz coverage).

So how much “dignity” are Palestinians really going to get from all this?

The virulently hateful scenes outside the court yesterday did not bode well.

Ahmed Tibi told Ynet that he asked police officers to do something about those chanting and taunting, but that they responded with indifference.

“What would have happened had the situation been reversed?”, he asked. “If 20 Arab youths were shouting about a Jewish fatality ‘he’s on the grill, he’s burning’? How many of them would have gone home with broken legs? How many would have been arrested?” Tibi wondered. “Part of the reason it was horrifying was the police’s indifference, like nothing had happened,” he explained. “They (the police) could have at least removed them from the court. (No need) to break legs. Legs are only broken to Arabs in Haifa, not to Jews. But they could have at least removed them,” he added.

Tibi notes that there were expressions of disgust from across the political spectrum, but silence at its top:

“But lo and behold—not a single minister (said anything), not Miri Regev [minister of culture], not Yisrael Katz [minister of intelligence], not Ayelet Shaked [justice minister], not Naftali Bennett [education minister] and in particular not the prime minister, who knows how to retweet awful things. He remained quiet instead of condemning this sickening phenomenon”.

 H/t Edith Breslauer

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  1. Kay24
    June 21, 2018, 12:46 pm

    I am always disgusted by the viciousness shown by these people. They are filled with hatred, contempt for those who are without a voice, and act like they are superior to all, which looking at their disgusting behavior, they are far from.

    For those who have never seen this, I link a video, showing a soccer match between Australia and Palestine in 1939.
    So much for the mean Hasbara that keeps claiming there was no Palestine before.
    So where were these Israelis/zionists at that time? There was NO occupation, nor any thieves to steal lands in 1939.
    Israelis/zionists were non existent in that region.

    • mondonut
      June 21, 2018, 1:27 pm

      Hilarious. That is a Jewish team.

      Members of the Maccabi delegation of the Palestine/Eretz Australian Touring Team:
      G.Arazi (Manager)
      S.Ginzburg
      Zvi Fooks
      A.Schneiderwiese
      Peri Neufeld
      S.Viner
      Gaul Machlis
      Egon Polak (Coach/Treasurer)
      A.Alembik
      Avraham Reznik (captain)
      Menahem Mirimovitch
      L.Werner
      J.Greenberg
      J.Lieberman
      J.Sidi
      B.Mizrahi

      • Shingo
        June 22, 2018, 5:24 pm

        Hilarious. That is a Jewish team.

        Hilarious. I thought there was no such thing as Palestine?

      • mondonut
        June 22, 2018, 6:48 pm

        @Shingo I thought there was no such thing as Palestine?

        You thought wrong. Nobody with half a brain denies that Palestine existed, among other forms, as a geographical region and as a geopolitical entity. That said, nobody with half a brain believes it ever historically existed as a sovereign state.

      • oldgeezer
        June 22, 2018, 9:28 pm

        @mondonut

        Just as no one that has a functioning brain thinks the issue regarding a former sovereign Palestine is at all relevant. It has nothing to do with the validity of Israel or the lack of valididty of modern day Palestine.

        It makes a nice anecdote but that’s about it.

      • mondonut
        June 23, 2018, 1:12 pm

        @oldgeezer

        It is certainly relevant to the legions of supporters who make the claim – and who trot out old stamps, photos of soccer teams and bizarre interpretations of the Mandate.

        And for the record, Israel’s validity is in the fact that it exists.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 23, 2018, 1:37 pm

        is that how life works? i exists therefore i have validity?

      • Talkback
        June 23, 2018, 2:26 pm

        Mondonut: “… and bizarre interpretations of the Mandate.”

        Yes. For example that Palestine was not allready a state under mandate. Or that the mandate included the creation of a Jewish state. Or that Jewish settlers had a “right” to settle. Especially a right to settle anywhere in Palestine.

        Mondonut: “And for the record, Israel’s validity is in the fact that it exists.”

        Is this “validity” only reserved for Jewish-only states? Because the records show that there were and are states which were or are not considered “valid” simply because they exist(ed).

      • Shingo
        June 23, 2018, 10:16 pm

        You thought wrong. Nobody with half a brain denies that Palestine existed, among other forms, as a geographical region and as a geopolitical entity.

        In which case, we can agree that many a Zionist lacks a brain.

        That said, nobody with half a brain believes it ever historically existed as a sovereign state.

        Nor was North America, but no one with half a brain denies it was a nation nonetheless.

      • mondonut
        June 23, 2018, 11:26 pm

        @Shingo Nor was North America…

        Ah yes, the great Nation of North America. I must have missed that one in the history books.

      • mondonut
        June 23, 2018, 11:32 pm

        @Talkback Because the records show …

        Enlighten us. Name the currently existing recognized states that are not considered legal entities.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 24, 2018, 4:33 am

        better yet mondonut, Name the currently existing recognized state(s) that have no borders and are still considered legal entities.

      • mondonut
        June 24, 2018, 1:00 pm

        @Annie Robbins better yet mondonut, Name the currently existing …

        Why is better yet to go off topic with an inane question than to expect an explanation of a comment?

        But to answer your question, I am not aware of any existing recognized state(s) that have no borders and are still considered legal entities, including Israel which has established borders with Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon.

      • Talkback
        June 24, 2018, 2:08 pm

        Mondonut: “Enlighten us. Name the currently existing recognized states that are not considered legal entities.”

        Recognized? When it comes to the Jewish state your claim is that it’s “validity is in the fact that it exists.”

      • mondonut
        June 24, 2018, 4:09 pm

        @Talkback …your claim is that it’s “validity is in the fact that it exists.”

        Yes, it exists as a recognized state. But if you do not like that qualifier go ahead and name any of your unrecognized states that are invalid.

      • Mooser
        June 24, 2018, 4:48 pm

        “Yes, it exists as a recognized state.”

        As long as it has the power and resources, especially population, to remain a state.
        “Recognizing” Israel doesn’t mean it’s the world’s obligation to keep it going.

      • Talkback
        June 25, 2018, 12:09 pm

        Mondonut: “But if you do not like that qualifier go ahead and name any of your unrecognized states that are invalid.”

        It has nothing to do with what I like, but with what you claimed. Your claim was that because a Israel exists it is a “valid” state. Do you still want to make this claim? Or the claim that a state is valid as soon as it comes into existence? And when would that be? After the mere declaration of statehood?

    • American Perspective
      June 21, 2018, 1:30 pm

      Palestine is the English name for Eretz Yisrael. Every member of the Palestine team was a Zionist. Arab nationalists played for the Syrian team because in the 1930s, Turks identified as Aryan Syrians.

      • eljay
        June 21, 2018, 2:15 pm

        || American Perspective: Palestine is the English name for Eretz Yisrael. … ||

        Sure, but Eretz Yisrael is the Hebrew name for Palestine. I’m glad that’s settled.  :-)

      • zaid
        June 21, 2018, 2:37 pm

        ” Arab nationalists played for the Syrian team because in the 1930s, Turks identified as Aryan Syrian”

        Source please?

      • zaid
        June 21, 2018, 3:37 pm

        Filastin is the Arabic word for Palestine which is a Greek Roman word.

        Jund Filastin was one of the military districts of the Ummayad and Abbasid Caliphate province of Bilad al-Sham (Syria).

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jund_Filastin

        Jund Filastin Coins:

        https://islamiccoins.ancients.info/umayyads/filastin/jund_filastin.htm

        In the Hadith (Sayings of Muhammad) and Islamic / Arabic literature the area was known and described as Filastin and its Muslim and Christian population were called Al Filasteeneein (Palestinians) or Ahl Filastin (people of Palestine).

        Muhmmammad used the word Ahl Filastin to describe Tamim ben Aws (a Palestinians Christian that converted to Islam). The Tamimi Clan took its name from its ancestor Tamim ben Aws .

      • American Perspective
        June 21, 2018, 4:30 pm

        There is no such thing as “Arabic”. The Turks and Africans who live in Palestine speak various dialects of the Arabic language group. There is no individual “Arabic language”.

        And that’s exactly the point. The term Palestine (the historic English-language term for Eretz Yisrael) has nothing to do with Arabic.

        The team representing the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine-Eretz Yisrael (as it was known in Hebrew) was entirely Zionist.

      • echinococcus
        June 21, 2018, 5:20 pm

        Sure, “American” Ziospective and linguistics. Some pairing.
        Oh well, there is no such thing as English either and the “various dialects of the English language group” are often mutually ininintelligible. And there is more than one standard (while Arabic still has only one Standard.)
        Also, ” Arab” describes any person at all whose mother tongue is Arabic. No racial definition, so while your despicable racist rants about Turks and Africans pass “moderation” here (thanks to the fact that they are not anti-Zionist), they have to be clearly marked as the trash they are, and by the way what do you imagine yourself to be? Like, if Palestinians are “Turks” (less than 3% of the biologic origin of the population) or ” Africans” then you surely would be a Russian, or a Khazar, or a Berber or sumpin’, no?

      • eljay
        June 21, 2018, 5:32 pm

        || American Perspective: The term Palestine (the historic English-language term for Eretz Yisrael) has nothing to do with Arabic. … ||

        Right, and Eretz Yisrael is the Hebrew-language name for Palestine.

      • Talkback
        June 21, 2018, 5:38 pm

        American perspective: “Palestine is the English name for Eretz Yisrael.”

        ROFL. Palestine was the official and internationally recognized name of the state under British mandate before 1948. And Palestine is the official and international recognized name of the state under Zionist occupation.

      • gamal
        June 21, 2018, 5:44 pm

        “There is no such thing as “Arabic”.”

        Modern Standard Arabic they do say is taking over, but who doesn’t love their local slang

        ask an Arab lady Arabic teacher

      • Mooser
        June 21, 2018, 6:15 pm

        “There is no such thing as “Arabic”

        Sorry, “AP”.

        “Lenny” already informed us there is no such place as the Middle East, so the whole “Arabic” thing is moot.

      • RoHa
        June 21, 2018, 9:55 pm

        ‘There is no such thing as “Arabic”.’

        Yep. He’s a loony.

        (Not a personal attack. Just information for other commenters.)

      • Annie Robbins
        June 21, 2018, 10:15 pm

        RoHa, i was just reminded of this article i read today (and just commented about on another thread): http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/11/insular-hasidic-jews-struggle-to-preserve-customs-as-legal-and-social-pressures-build.html

        speaking of loony, it just occurred to me there could be kids being taught this stuff at the yeshivas. the article is about “the U.S. town with the highest rate of people on food stamps”, and they have tons of kids and live off the state. plus, they’ve taken over the school board.

        Recently, under pressure from his Hasidic constituents, a single state senator, Simcha Felder, held up passage of New York’s $168 billion budget until he was promised the state wouldn’t interfere with the educational approach of yeshivas — despite laws requiring all students to receive an education equivalent to that of public schools.

        the result of which will essentially guarantee the future generation won’t be able to support themselves either. now most of these kids have probably never heard of palestine. but when they ask, one of their rabbis might just tell them “it’s english translation of eretz israel” or some such crap. so what begins as internet trolling then gets passed to to these classrooms and that’s why you get these jewish kids posting things like ‘why didn’t you tell me!’.

      • Jethro
        June 22, 2018, 1:02 am

        Why is the troll “American Perspective” still here? Are the moderators bored or something?

      • Misterioso
        June 22, 2018, 9:54 am

        By incorporating the Balfour Declaration the 1922 League of Nations British Class A mandate for Palestine did facilitate Jewish immigration to “secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home,” but it did not call for the creation of a sovereign Jewish state or homeland in Palestine or any form of partition. This was made very clear in the Churchill Memorandum (1 July 1922) regarding the British Mandate: “[T]he status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status.”

        Furthermore, regarding the British Mandate, as approved by the Council of the League of Nations, the British government declared: “His Majesty’s Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is not part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State.” (Command Paper, 1922)

        In May 1939, the British government issued the MacDonald White Paper, which in accordance with the Mandate, ruled out any possibility of a Jewish state, and declared Great Britain “could not have intended Palestine should be converted into a Jewish state against the will of the Arab population of the country.” It called for a Palestinian state in which Jews and Arabs would govern jointly based on a constitution to be drafted by their representatives and those of Britain. The constitution would safeguard the “Jewish National Home” in Palestine and if good relations developed between Jews and Arabs, the country would be granted independence in ten years. Land sales to Jews were to be restricted and the annual level of Jewish immigration was to be limited to 15,000 for five years, following which, Palestinian Arab acquiescence would be required. Hence, Britain’s abstention during the UNGA vote regarding Resolution 181, the Partition Plan.

      • echinococcus
        June 22, 2018, 2:36 pm

        Shenfield,

        That is the colonialist “Palestinian” citizenship after the hostile Zionist invasion, under the protection of the British occupation.

      • zaid
        June 22, 2018, 3:59 pm

        “There is no such thing as “Arabic”.

        Then what is the language of the Quran!

        “The Turks and Africans who live in Palestine speak various dialects of the Arabic language group. ”

        How come ! and why dont these “Africans and Turks ” speak Turkish or their African languages?What is the Arabic language group?can you link to an academic article about the subject?

        “There is no individual “Arabic language”.”

        What do American universities teach under the Arabic language program.

        This guy keeps spreading false information and Mondoweiss keeps tolerating him!Allowing trolls to play with this website is dangerous.

        I understand that having a zionazi clown could be entertaining and could actually be counterproductive to the zionist cause but what if 10 or 20 more trolls joined! wouldn’t that turn the comment section into a circus.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 25, 2018, 1:14 am

        i’m sorry zaid. i have no idea why he is able to post stuff like that nor do i know why or who would clear/moderate a comment such as that. it’s a lie, rude and dehumanizing. especially given the circumstance that so many new words in the “new” hebrew (since the state was founded) are borrowed from arabic, as i understand it.

        i just checked and he has not posted since the 22nd. maybe he got banned. let’s cross our fingers.

      • Shingo
        June 22, 2018, 5:22 pm

        Palestine is the English name for Eretz Yisrael.

        Eretz Yisrael is a Zionist name for the Levant.

        Every member of the Palestine team was a Zionist.

        Unlikely. Less than 500 of the 50 thousand Jews in Palestine as of 1905 were Zionists. The first Zionist Congress had to be held is Bassel because German Jews wanted nothing to do with the idea of a Jewish state. Herzl was dismissed as a crack pott for his ideas.

      • echinococcus
        June 22, 2018, 10:55 pm

        Shingo,

        By 1939 (not 1905), the Zionist colonial invaders had packed the place full with intruders of all origins (and some refugees, too) and kicked out most of the local Jewry that wanted none of that. With British armed repression of the locals, they had also filled the civil service, sports teams, dominant organizations of the economy, etc. with organized Zionists. Never mind the official “impartial” statements of HMG.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        June 23, 2018, 12:02 am

        American Perspective:

        “There is no such thing as “Arabic”. The Turks and Africans who live in Palestine speak various dialects of the Arabic language group. There is no individual “Arabic language””

        Don’t tell me you call yourself a linguist.

      • DaBakr
        June 23, 2018, 1:24 am

        @a

        there are going to be a lot more then just “these jewish kids” asking adults around them,’why didn’t we learn this?’. it will be on a lot more topics then just israel and Palestinians for american kids. catastrophe is on the horizon in ways that directly effect privileged american kids, black, white, biracial middle class and poor. if the UN is to survive its current malaise it will need to completely restructure, cut horrendous bloat and waste and that not only may be good for suffering Africans Asians and others besides palestinians but it might bff good for a peace to be negotiated between conflicting parties in the I/p

      • Annie Robbins
        June 23, 2018, 7:04 am

        dabkr, so what do you think of this town where people have tons of kids living off the state, with the “highest rate of people on food stamps in the US?” — especially when they have the big money to buy off politicians and hold up the state budget? business as usual or what?

      • DaBakr
        June 24, 2018, 12:46 am

        @an

        Without knowing any more then basics I would think that

        A: if it’s the result of unreasonable gerrymandering then it should be fixed.

        B: they might have the highest per capita amount off food stamps received but I doubt it’s the biggest percentage in the state among all census groups

        C: I think that while insular community where the two brothers are fighting from Brooklyn’s and upstate NY over the fathers legacy is not only weird, it’s extreme and would most surely feel oppressive top myself personally, but I am not those weird jews. They aren’t chabad. They aren’t even that similar to the fanatics in some of the settlements.

        D: but-your not going to get me to believe that in America, the biggest percentage of people on food stamps and welfare has always been white folks. Poor white folks.

      • Mooser
        June 24, 2018, 1:13 pm

        “D: but-your not going to get me to believe that in America, the biggest percentage of people on food stamps and welfare has always been white folks. Poor white folks.”

        And that category of “poor white folks” includes no Jews. Not A One!

      • Talkback
        June 24, 2018, 2:00 pm

        DaBakr: “A: if it’s the result of unreasonable gerrymandering then it should be fixed.”

        That’s why you support right to return of refugees. Because keeping them expelled dand denationalized is nothing else than ultra racist gerrymandering.

      • RoHa
        June 24, 2018, 9:27 pm

        Fascinating read, Annie.

        The headline makes it seem that the Hasidim are the victims.
        The story makes it clear that the communities they settle in are the victims.

        The Hasidim move in, gain control, use the system for their own purposes with no concern for the well-being of the community as a whole, and bring down the rest of the community. They turn the community against them.

        They openly state that they are only concerned with Hasidim, and see nothing wrong with that attitude.

        And if anyone criticizes them, they cry “bigotry” and “anti-Semitism”.

        Reminds me of something.

        Oh, yes. The story of the camel putting its nose in the tent.

        And that reminds me of something else.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 24, 2018, 10:20 pm

        don’t know if i’ve heard the story of the camel putting its nose in the tent.

        this town in the story, lots and lots has been written about it but generally it’s only in the regional press. like stories of the pedophilia in some of those orthodox communities, they rarely if ever make national news. one has to google around to find them. i wouldn’t have ran into that article had someone not linked to it here, but i know about it. however, i didn’t know it was the worst town for food stamps in the US. i think their impact on public schools system in the area is really sad. if it was me, i’d be tempted to move out of the area. don’t really think they’re the best of neighbors.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 25, 2018, 12:39 am

        oh look what i found googling new square

        Mate Friesel continued to win every election as mayor of New Square, up through November 2013, dying in office on August 1, 2015. He continued to run uncontested for the position even after his son Avrum David Friesel, a former town clerk, fled the country in 1997, just before he and six others were indicted for embezzlement of tens of millions of dollars in federal funds for non-existent educational and welfare programs.

        wonder where they went? https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/cult-like-hasidic-town-holds-first-mayoral-election-1.5464037

      • RoHa
        June 25, 2018, 12:46 am

        Here it is.

        http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=scudder&book=fables&story=arab

        ” i’d be tempted to move out of the area.”

        And when they start moving into your new neighbourhood …?

      • Mooser
        June 25, 2018, 11:40 am

        “wonder where they went?”

        They joined up with the Hole-in-the-Wailing-Wall Gang.

    • Kay24
      June 21, 2018, 4:01 pm

      It seems as this the other commenter said not a team played by Arabs/Christians, but British and Jewish team members.
      Although it seems the Jews perhaps took that name “Palestinians” as a convenience (like many other things today).

      That said, no one should gloat about it being not being Palestinians, because according to a book written by James M. Dorsey, name Shifting Sands, a book about sport and politics in the Middle East and North Africa, the Palestinians (indigenous people) were playing soccer during those times.

      “In an effort to forge useful relationships through soccer , Palestinians first created their own informal national team in 1910 that played primarily against missionary clubs. Encouraged by local media, the Arab Palestinian Sports Federation and a national team played it’s first match against a squad from the American University of Beirut were born 21 years later as Palestinian Counterparts of the PSA and the PFA. The team “will refute Jewish claims and Zionist propaganda that Palestinians are ignorant and have nothing to do with sports” Filastin quipped.”

      (Filastin, I gather, being the Arabic newspaper during the British mandate).

      • Stephen Shenfield
        June 21, 2018, 6:43 pm

        Before 1948 everyone living in Palestine was called a Palestinian. The Zionists called themselves Palestinians too.

      • Talkback
        June 22, 2018, 12:06 pm

        Not everyone who was “living” there. Only those who were citizens of Palestine.

      • Kay24
        June 22, 2018, 4:05 pm

        Stephen Shenfield, we should not be surprised that the zionists took the name “Palestinians” too. They have had this bad habit of stealing many things from the indigenous people, including land, water, olive trees, and even soil, and destroying what they cannot.

      • American Perspective
        June 22, 2018, 9:00 pm

        Kay24 – the Arab nationalist fought hard to have their Southern Syrian identity recognized. They sued the government claiming that Filistin (the Arabic translation of the English word Palestine) was the Jewish term for the land. They identified as Southern Syrian in the 20s and early 30s.

        It wasn’t until 1935 that the Arab nationalists living in Palestine started identifying their race as Ehrenarier (Honorary Aryan).

      • Talkback
        June 23, 2018, 3:28 am

        American Perspective: “the Arab nationalist fought hard to have their Southern Syrian identity recognized. They sued the government claiming that Filistin (the Arabic translation of the English word Palestine) was the Jewish term for the land. They identified as Southern Syrian in the 20s and early 30s.”

        ROFL. The term “filastin” was allready used in 630 by Arab muslims: “Jund filastin” meant “military district of Palestine”. Allready in 1911 an arabic newspaper called “Falastin” was created which was Palestine’s fiercest and most consistent critic of the Zionist movement. And the “[British] CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION …” before the mandate showed that the Palestinian delegation was always refering to Palestine in its letters and asking for its independence.
        https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/48A7E5584EE1403485256CD8006C3FBE

        “It wasn’t until 1935 that the Arab nationalists living in Palestine started identifying their race as Ehrenarier (Honorary Aryan).”

        ROFL. Nobody “identified” with being an “Honorary Aryan”. This was a status granted by the Nazis. And you will find more Jews than Arabs who were granted this status. More Palestinians were fighting against the Nazis than supporting them or the Mufti Amin al-Husseini.

        It’s no suprise that you fail to provide any source for your continous pathological lies and your blatant Zionist brainwashing.

    • Talkback
      June 23, 2018, 3:34 am

      mondonut: “That said, nobody with half a brain believes it ever historically existed as a sovereign state.”

      And nobody with half a brain believes that it didn’t historically exist as a dependant state under Britsh mandate. And that it didn’t became independent back then and still isn’t indepedent today is just because it has been under de facto and de jure occupation for more than a century. Either by Zionsts or on their behalf. That’s the Zionist understanding of democracy and self determination.

      • MHughes976
        June 23, 2018, 7:27 am

        It may be that the Palestinians consider that they are traditionally and should now be part of a larger sovereign unit going beyond Palestine. That would be just as legitimate as wishing to be themselves alone. The normal human right is surely to be an enfranchised citizen of a sovereign state, large or small, very localised or with many provinces.

      • mondonut
        June 23, 2018, 1:09 pm

        @Talkback

        If by “dependent state” you mean geopolitical entity, which is exactly what I said, then you are correct. It was never a sovereign state prior to modern day Israel.

      • MHughes976
        June 23, 2018, 3:46 pm

        The propositions that there was once s sovereign state corresponding exactly to our Palestine and that there was once a sovereign state including our Palestine are different, but of equal relevance.
        I tend to think that the Kingdom of Palestine was founded about 1150:BCE, covering the southern provinces of the old Hittite Empire and expanding southwards at some expense to Egypt. This was before the likeliest dates for the Kingdom of David and Solomon, whose name we do not know. The name of Palestine constantly reasserted itself, presumably because it was constantly in common use, as various political experiments, notability the Omrid Kingdom, came, flourished and failed.

      • RoHa
        June 23, 2018, 7:24 pm

        “but of equal relevance.”

        I.e., none at all.

        But just to add to the historical record, the Crusader states in the region were pretty much sovereign. And not Jewish.

  2. Eva Smagacz
    June 21, 2018, 1:20 pm

    My mother’s family lived in Warsaw, Poland, in a Powisle neighbourhood, on Na Tamce Street.

    When my mother was little, she and her father were passing a house where Jews were hiding and were found. Family that housed them and adult Jews were shot on the spot, but one of the SS-men took little baby by its feet, took a swing and smashed baby’s head
    on the wall of the townhouses.

    My grandfather forced my mother to watch, holding her head forcibly, so that she could not hide her face or run.

    “You must never, ever forget what you saw” – He said.

    This is why, amongst other things, I support Mondoweiss.

    118/129

    • Misterioso
      June 22, 2018, 11:04 am

      @Eva Smagacz

      Your comment brings to mind the following:

      THE MASSACRE AT Al-DAWAYIMA
      On October 28/48, as part of Operation Yoav, the prosperous and mainly agricultural Palestinian village of al-Dawayima was captured “without a fight” by the 89th Commando Battalion of the Israel Defence Forces’ 8th Brigade. An Israeli soldier eyewitness described what then happened: “‘[First the IDF] killed about 80-100 [male] Arabs, women and children. The children they killed by breaking their heads with sticks. There was not a house without dead. The remaining Arabs were then closed off in houses ‘without food and water,’ as the village was systematically razed. ‘One commander ordered a sapper to put two old women in a certain house…and to blow up the house with them. The sapper refused…. The commander then ordered his men to put in the old women and the evil deed was done. One soldier boasted that he had raped a woman and then shot her. One woman with a new-born baby in her arms was employed to clear the courtyard where the soldiers ate. She worked a day or two. In the end they shot her and her baby.'” (Benny Morris, Birth of The Palestinian Problem, pp. 222-23)

      Israeli soldiers also slaughtered seventy-five elderly men in the village mosque where they had gone to pray. (John Quigley, Palestine and Israel…p. 85) During an interview with the Israeli daily Hadashot in 1984, the village mukhtar recalled: “The people fled, and everyone they saw in the houses, they shot and killed. They also killed people in the streets. They came and blew up my house….” (Professor Walid Khalidi, Harvard, All That Remains, p. 215)

      “The mukhtar also said that about thirty-five families (including some expelled from another village) were hiding in caves outside the village and when Israeli troops discovered them, ‘They told them to come out and get into line and start to walk. And as they started to walk, they were shot by machine guns from two sides…. We sent people there that night, who collected the bodies, put them into a cistern and buried them.’ ” (ibid) (In 1984, the account given by the mukhtar was confirmed by Israeli journalists who visited the site and found human skeletal remains) (ibid)

      On February 5th 2016, Haaretz published an article regarding the massacre in Hebrew by Israeli historian Yair Auron,

      “After the massacre, a letter was sent to the editor of the leftist affiliated newspaper Al-Hamishmar, but never published. As Auron notes, there are still many archives of the time which are classified. Auron also states that there was an investigation that was never concluded and ‘died out’ as a massive amnesty was provided to military personnel in February 1949.”

      “The letter is brought forth by a member of the MAPAM leftist party, S. Kaplan, who got the letter of testimony from the soldier. It is written to Eliezer Peri, editor of Al Hamishmar, and dated 8th November 1948 (18 days after the massacre)

      “To comrade Eliezer Peri, good day,
      “Today I have read the editorial of “Al Hamishmar” where the question of our army’s conduct was aired, the army which conquers all but its own desires.

      “A testimony provided to me by an officer which was in [Al] Dawayima the day after its conquering: The soldier is one of ours, intellectual, reliable, in all 100%. He had confided in me out of a need to unload the heaviness of his soul from the horror of the recognition that such level of barbarism can be reached by our educated and cultured people. He confided in me because not many are the hearts today who are able to listen.

      “There was no battle and no resistance (and no Egyptians). The first conquerors killed from eighty to a hundred Arabs [including] women and children. The children were killed by smashing of their skulls with sticks. There was not a house without dead. The second wave of the [Israeli] army was a platoon that the soldier giving testimony belongs to.

      “In the town were left male and female Arabs, who were put into houses and were then locked in without receiving food or drink. Later explosive engineers came to blow up houses. One commander ordered an engineer to put two elderly women into the house that was to be blown up. The engineered refused and said he is willing to receive orders only from his [own] commander. So then [his] commander ordered the soldiers to put the women in and the evil deed was performed.

      “One soldier boasted that he raped an Arab woman and afterwards shot her. An Arab woman with a days-old infant was used for cleaning the back yard where the soldiers eat. She serviced them for a day or two, after which they shot her and the infant. The soldier tells that the commanders who are cultured and polite, considered good guys in society, have become vile murderers, and this occurs not in the storm of battle and heated response, but rather from a system of expulsion and destruction. The fewer Arabs remain – the better. This principle is the main political motive of [the] expulsions and acts of horror which no-one objects to, not in the field command nor amongst the highest military command. I myself was at the front for two weeks and heard boasting stories of soldiers and commanders, of how they excelled in the acts of hunting and ‘fucking.” To fuck an Arab, just like that, and in any circumstance, is considered an impressive mission and there is competition on winning this [trophy].”

      • LHunter
        June 22, 2018, 12:54 pm

        Nazis – the Jewish variety

      • DaBakr
        June 23, 2018, 1:34 am

        @lhntr

        it is hard to see how other then the instantaneous gratification you seem to get combining the two things: natsi and jewish I always wondered why fools like you don’t understand how it cheapens your cause. helps make it meaningless and comical. just as calling somebody a’racist’ any more is an empty term. you call Israelis racist, Israel’s call Arabs jew-haters. Europeans are and have been racist for millennia. Trump is a racist, BLM JVP and MW have all been called racist. With just about everybody being called a racist how bad can it be. now, being called a Nazi is becoming as loose an insult as racist. nobody can be insulted any longer except the thinnest of skins.

      • echinococcus
        June 23, 2018, 11:45 am

        The Bakr thinks we’re all ignorant and stupid.

        “it is hard to see how other then the instantaneous gratification you seem to get combining the two things: natsi and jewish I always wondered why fools like you don’t understand how it cheapens your cause. helps make it meaningless and comical.”

        Again. Not “Jewish”. Zionist.

        Nazism developed from Romantic (mythical racial) German nationalism, ie the same root as Jewish mythical-racial nationalism that became Zionism. It promoted racial/ethnic supremacy, and in fact racial/ethnic uniformity. It practiced total disdain of international law, conquest by aggression, and genocide. Zionism is all of that, and more.

      • eljay
        June 23, 2018, 10:03 pm

        || @aar: … it is hard to see how other then the instantaneous gratification you seem to get combining the two things: natsi and jewish I always wondered why fools like you don’t understand how it cheapens your cause. helps make it meaningless and comical. … ||

        Yup, it is hard to see how other then the instantaneous gratification you seem to get combining the two things: anti-Semitism and “Jew hatred” I always wondered why fools like you don’t understand how it cheapens your cause. helps make it meaningless and comical.

      • DaBakr
        June 24, 2018, 12:51 am

        @ec

        Read the comment I responded to. It links nazi wth Jewish.

        @ej

        Still wth the pee wee herman stuff. there are many nations passing laws at this tie equating certain forms of anti Israeli, anti Zionism with anti-jewishness. I do not think the sage can be said for the third Reich-israel comparison which is almost universally shunned and ridiculed. But I get the point your trying to make

      • Annie Robbins
        June 24, 2018, 4:26 am

        “universally” may be too strong a term. maybe in polite company tho.

        “It’s scary to see horrifying developments that took place in Europe begin to unfold here,” the officer said.

        https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/IDF-general-in-bombshell-speech-Israel-today-shows-signs-of-1930s-Germany-453142

      • eljay
        June 24, 2018, 9:52 am

        || DaBakr: … @ej

        Still wth the pee wee herman stuff. … ||

        You’d be the one to know it, Francis.

        || … there are many nations passing laws at this tie equating certain forms of anti Israeli, anti Zionism with anti-jewishness. … ||

        I’m sure “certain forms of anti Israeli, anti Zionism” can be tied to “anti-jewishness”. I’m sure certain forms of pro-Israeli, Zionism can be tied to anti-Gentilism.

        But every form of Zionism – from “Captain Israel” hard-core down to sissy “liberal Zionism” – can be tied to the horribly-misguided belief that people who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish are entitled:
        – to Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine; and
        – to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      • Talkback
        June 24, 2018, 1:55 pm

        DaBakr: “there are many nations passing laws at this tie equating certain forms of anti Israeli, anti Zionism with anti-jewishness. ”

        Yes, but such laws don’t matter as soon as the judge realizes that the accused is not targeting Jews as such.

        You see, judges are rational. Contrary to Zionist morons and their fascist conflation of state/national ideology with humans.

      • MHughes976
        June 24, 2018, 3:56 pm

        To be opposed to something that many Xs are doing is to be opposed to many Xs in the extension of the term. It is not necessarily to be opposed to Xs in the intension of the term, ie to believe that there is something wrong about being an X. But I suppose that the question ‘Is there something about Xs that makes them do this?’ Is likely to start nagging. The most quietening answer is that X culture has taken an inauthentic form from which it can well redeem itself.
        I am not sure about the rationality of judges.

      • echinococcus
        June 24, 2018, 5:15 pm

        dbkbkfr

        Read the comment I responded to. It links nazi wth Jewish.

        So you are the first Zionist who is stating that there is no link between Zionist and Jewish.
        Remarkable.

      • DaBakr
        June 26, 2018, 1:06 am

        @annie

        I should have qualified ‘universally’ as in “Universally among those with an intellect above the true believing mediocre mindset. Wether they are jewish, israeli or others, it doesn’t matter. Z unless we’re now defining someone as a nazi can be used from police brutality in the US to military uniforms of multiple nations to certain presidents of world powers. everybody’s a nazi nowadays.

    • echinococcus
      June 24, 2018, 5:30 pm

      Hughes

      I suppose that the question ‘Is there something about Xs that makes them do this?’ Is likely to start nagging. The most quietening answer is that X culture has taken an inauthentic form from which it can well redeem itself.

      And just because it’s the quietening answer, it is politically correct and compulsory, and inquiry around it is forbidden.

  3. eljay
    June 21, 2018, 1:29 pm

    Jewish supremacists colonizing not-Israel deliberately set fire to a not-Israeli family’s house in not-Israel, thereby killing most of its occupants. They taunt a relative about his dead grandchild while “Jewish State” police stand idly by. And they deliberately set fire to the not-Israeli family’s house in not-Israel a second time.

    Under which set of “Jewish values” do the actions of these loathsome Jewish supremacists fall?

    • CigarGod
      June 21, 2018, 7:32 pm

      One of Dirty Harry’s favorite expletives works well here:
      [email protected]#& #$!
      That’s a brilliant post.

    • Kay24
      June 22, 2018, 4:07 pm

      Good question Eljay. For which I am sure you will not get a sensible answer.

      • eljay
        June 23, 2018, 9:58 pm

        || Kay24: Good question Eljay. For which I am sure you will not get a sensible answer. ||

        If I get an answer at all. Maybe jon s will chime in with some soccer scores…

  4. nelle
    June 21, 2018, 2:36 pm

    Read Israel Shahak on Jewish religion. https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-History-Religion-Thousand-Political/dp/0745328407/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=JZ6AF10355TNQXNN060A

    These are what Shahak and the rabbi Yeshayahu Leibowitz (who was himself a racist) called “judeonazis.” And now we can see, quite fully, the truth of that observation. Most of Jewish society in Israel is now just as racist. This is what comes of the conviction that we are “the chosen people.” That, and the history of ghettoization in Europe, is what has produced the monstrous deformity that calls itself “the Jewish state.”

    • Stephen Shenfield
      June 21, 2018, 6:47 pm

      Not quite so simple or unilinear.

    • Jonathan Ofir
      June 22, 2018, 1:48 am

      Nelle, on what basis do you consider the late Prof. Yeshayahu Leibowitz a racist?

      • nelle
        June 22, 2018, 10:25 am

        Repeated statements in personal emails to me from Noam Chomsky. “Repeated” may be an overstatement. I asked Chomsky about Leibowitz maybe a year ago; I’d spoken to him about the rabbi once before, I think. If I recall correctly this was well-known, but I am not sure.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 22, 2018, 11:31 am

        nelle, do you mean chomsky told you leibowitz was a racist or do you mean in discussion with chomsky you determined leibowitz was a racist. and when you say “If I recall correctly this was well-known, but I am not sure.” do you mean it was well known chomsky thought he was a racist or do you mean it’s well know leibowitz was a racist? because he said a lot of controversial things, so one would think there’s some documentation via quotes, links or whatever you could direct us towards perhaps?

      • Mooser
        June 22, 2018, 11:48 am

        “Repeated” may be an overstatement.

        In that case, one quote should suffice.

  5. Maghlawatan
    June 21, 2018, 4:24 pm

    IsrAel is not stable. Say there is a tree made up of

    These settlers
    Betar fans
    Likud vôters
    Jon S

    In decreasing order of Naziness , the assumption would be that the level of Naziness would be stable. But over time each group will become more radical.
    There is nobody in charge.

    Israel will end horribly.

    • DaBakr
      June 22, 2018, 12:33 am

      @m

      So we’ve been hearing forever. all your saying is the equivalent of sticking your fist up high and shaking it at the thing you hate. a lot of good that will do. we have plenty of them here as well. you either win wait or make peace. choose . you act like zionists are so unique

      • Mooser
        June 22, 2018, 11:51 am

        ” you act like zionists are so unique”

        Oh, they are, they are. Why, there’s probably just a few million real Zionists left. And you’re probably not too sure about some of those.

      • DaBakr
        June 23, 2018, 1:37 am

        @mssr

        What exactly is a real zionist as opposed to a fake zionist?

      • echinococcus
        June 23, 2018, 12:51 pm

        dbbrhgfdsw$#,

        What exactly is a real zionist as opposed to a fake zionist?

        You tell us, dbkrzrglb. That would be your only competence anyway. We don’t care, both types may go to the moon together.

      • Mooser
        June 23, 2018, 1:36 pm

        “What exactly is a real zionist as opposed to a fake zionist?”

        A real Zionist speaks about Zionism when he is told too, and is not a loose cannon.
        A real Zionist never opens his mouth without considering whether he is helping or hurting Zionism with his words.
        A “real” Zionist adheres strictly to Zionist message discipline! A real Zionist is not some ego-on-the-half-shell.
        A real Zionist would know better than to run to Mondo when Zionist sites delete him.

      • MHughes976
        June 23, 2018, 3:28 pm

        It would be great if some of those who profess Z so strongly turned out to be merely faking it.

      • echinococcus
        June 23, 2018, 4:39 pm

        Hughes,

        They may be far less suicidal, more likely to give in when facing overwhelming force, that’s for sure. Until then, I’m not so certain that they are less dangerous.

      • DaBakr
        June 24, 2018, 12:59 am

        @mh

        I always wondered the same thing here… That one or two Israel haters may be neurotic zionists in disguise. Its unlikely though

        [email protected]

        As far as I know I’ve never been’kicked’ off any commentary site. Zionist, conservative, jezebel, meth cooks anonymous…. They all let me write. I just read how many young men captured after fighting for Isis are in need of serious treatment for meth addiction. So religious of the caliphate.

      • Talkback
        June 24, 2018, 1:58 pm

        DaBakr: “TI always wondered the same thing here… That one or two Israel haters may be neurotic zionists in disguise. Its unlikely though”

        Yep. It is more likely that every Zionist accuser of antisemitism is a patholocogical narcissist who wants to disguise his own deep rooted hatred and racism towards Nonjews in general and Palestinians in particular.

      • Mooser
        June 24, 2018, 5:34 pm

        “As far as I know I’ve never been’kicked’ off any commentary site. Zionist, conservative, jezebel, meth cooks anonymous….” “DaBakr”

        And there’s a simple reason for that. You only post here.

    • nelle
      June 22, 2018, 10:26 am

      We could all end horribly. Israel has nuclear weapons and vows to use the “nishtagea” or suicide option if necessary.

      • DaBakr
        June 22, 2018, 5:28 pm

        @n

        “vows”.

      • DaBakr
        June 23, 2018, 1:16 am

        @n

        please let us know a declared nuclear armed nation that hasn’t vowed to use what you call the Samson option. Seymour Hirsh made it sound like a huge departure for israel when MAD had been around in principle long before the existence of dimona

      • Mooser
        June 23, 2018, 1:38 pm

        “please let us know a declared nuclear armed nation”

        ROTFLMSJAO! Israel is a “declared nuclear armed nation”? Who knew!

        There’s enough Zionist Jews in Israel to fill one medium-sized city. Stop pretending Israel is a super-power.

      • echinococcus
        June 23, 2018, 4:41 pm

        Mooser,

        The Zionist entity is shorthand for US+”Israel”. You seem to be lost.

      • braciole
        June 23, 2018, 5:07 pm

        I thought the nishtagea option was the “we will go crazy” option rather than the suicide option although with the water situation in Palestine so precarious the nishtagea option will almost certainly result in the climatic destruction of the Zionist entity.

      • DaBakr
        June 24, 2018, 1:01 am

        @mssr.

        Declared. Yes. That was my point. Not that Israel isn’t officially declared. You jumped the shark. There are far more dangerous nations that have implied there would be MAD then Israel. Premature ejaculation of laughter

      • Mooser
        June 24, 2018, 4:29 pm

        ” Not that Israel isn’t officially declared.”

        Huh? Is it, or isn’t it? Has it opened itself to inspections and signed the NNPT?

  6. Boomer
    June 21, 2018, 7:34 pm

    Thanks for this report. We know that individuals commit terrible acts in every country. In the U.S., news of mass murders at schools and other venues has become routine. The initial act is evil. But the public reaction to it described here is chilling and depressing in another way. It reinforces the idea (supported by other news regularly reported at this site), that reconciliation, “two peoples living peacefully side by side” as the cliche goes, is unattainable in the near future.

    Recently, a memorial to the victims of racial lynchings opened in Alabama, of all places. That marks a milestone of sorts, but consider how long it has been in coming. Israel has a long road to travel, it would seem. I wonder if that will ever happen, or if the land will be “cleansed” of Palestinians before reconciliation is achieved. I think the U.S. owes them a home here, for those who wish to come, but the news from Texas makes it clear that that won’t happen soon either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Memorial_for_Peace_and_Justice

  7. RoHa
    June 23, 2018, 2:05 am

    A good overall survey here.

    https://original.antiwar.com/Reza_Behnam/2018/06/21/no-end-to-the-palestinian-catastrophe/

    What can the Palestinians do to stop this?

    • Boomer
      June 23, 2018, 7:33 am

      Thanks for the link to “antiwar.” It does provide a good summary or review.

      I think the answer to your question, “what can the Palestinians do to stop this?” is: “nothing.”

  8. Marnie
    June 23, 2018, 2:14 am

    ‘Ali is on the grill!’ Israeli settlers celebrate burning of Palestinian baby
    Israel/Palestine
    Jonathan Ofir on June 21, 2018

    One sentence speaks volumes about the zionist experiment and explains why this experiment is a complete failure and must end, by any means necessary.

  9. catalan
    June 23, 2018, 10:15 am

    The answer is BDS, partition borders and full right of return.

    • echinococcus
      June 23, 2018, 2:14 pm

      “Catalan” seeing the light, getting ready to jump ship?

      Not nearly.
      BDS is just one of several possible supportive gestures from abroad, ie worthless if just by itself, not “the answer”. Partition borders are not an answer to anything as they are as illegal as the non-existing Green Line. Try to do better for your “answer”.

    • eljay
      June 23, 2018, 3:42 pm

      || catalan: The answer is BDS, partition borders and full right of return. ||

      Are you Clark Kent and American Perspective is Superman, or is it the other way ’round?

      (Yes, yes, I know: You’re both Superman because all Zionists are Supermen.)

  10. Boomer
    June 24, 2018, 9:31 am

    re: “There’s something particularly disturbing about celebrating the burning alive of a baby.”

    Well, yes, for most of us, that’s true. But in fairness, you have to remember that the settler’s Holy Scriptures do sing of how good it is, how happy it makes them, to smash the heads of their enemy’s children against rocks. So burning them alive isn’t that big a leap.

    Not that doing things like smashing and burning people is unique to their religion. Perhaps, for better PR, the settlers should add music to their chants. Robert Sapolsky reports in “Behave” how, during the massacres in Indonesia in the 1960’s, the army would bring in a gamelan band while burning and otherwise killing people, “to make it more beautiful.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965–1966

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/311787/behave-by-robert-m-sapolsky/9780143110910/

  11. rosross
    June 24, 2018, 9:52 am

    We can only weep for the sickness that is Israel. This travesty of culture has been aided and abetted by those who call themselves friends of Israel. Those friends, better known as frenemys, have encouraged the debased nature and deluded corruption of Israeli culture. And this is just the tip of that horrible iceberg.

  12. Arby
    July 1, 2018, 5:44 pm

    “no words”? How about Nazi Israel?

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