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The head of a leading American Jewish philanthropic organization has expressed support for refugees seeking asylum in the U.S. And, in the same message: utter contempt for Palestinian refugees.

The hypocritical position is of course typical of the U.S. Jewish establishment, which is progressive on issues non-Palestinian. But that hypocrisy is rarely exemplified so purely as it is by Eric Goldstein, ceo of the NY Jewish Federation, writing a Sabbath letter last week.

Goldstein lauds his organization’s efforts on behalf of refugees.

A number of UJA’s partners, both national and local, work throughout the year to provide support for refugees, and have been actively engaged in providing assistance. In particular, there are now more than 300 children separated from their parents who have been placed in facilities around New York, and UJA and our partners are in daily conversations about ways we can help.

But in the next breath Goldstein goes to Israel, and he has no sympathy at all for the Palestinian refugees in Gaza who are marching to be able to return to villages on land that is now Israel– thousands of whom have been shot, and more than 130 killed.

All Goldstein’s sympathy is for Israelis living near the border, “where life has become increasingly difficult.” Palestinians are afraid of bullets, but these Israelis are afraid of… kites and balloons!

We went to Kibbutz Nir Am, built in 1943 less than a mile from the Gaza border. In the last few months, 250 acres of the kibbutz’s wheat fields have been burned by kites and balloons set afire from Gaza, some rigged with explosive devices. Every day beginning at about 2:00 p.m. when the wind picks up, kibbutz members sit on tractors in the field, ready to put out the fires as soon as possible.

It’s as if the Israelis are experiencing a famine (as Scott Roth says). Goldstein is simply unrelenting in his sympathy with the Israelis. There is not one word about Palestinians, except a sharp kick in the shins of Palestinian history.

Another mother told us how her child pleads with her, “Can you promise me no red alerts tonight?” … All the parents we spoke with said that they wrestled with the decision to raise their children so close to the Gaza border, but are determined to stay because it’s home. And it’s worth stressing that this land near Gaza is indisputably part of Israel and has been since 1948.

The Palestinian marchers are not trying to destroy Israel; they are trying to end the siege of Gaza and assert their right of return to lands that became Israel. Their refugee claims are honored by international law and, as all peace negotiations acknowledge, will have to be part of any just resolution of the conflict.

Goldstein’s letter ends with a salute to young Israelis who in their pre-army service are living in the border communities. He says these young people “give us reason to hope.”

From America to Israel, we must all continue to hope.

Hope that all refugee children in our community will shortly be reunited with their parents.

And hope that the children and parents in Nir Am will plant and harvest their fields together for many generations to come.

Bear in mind that as a kibbutz, Nir Am is certainly all Jewish. So this guy Goldstein is saluting a segregated community and expressing pure contempt for the 1.8 million or so Palestinians locked in an open air prison a few miles away.

I can only imagine what the young Jews who are bolting Birthright and tabling for IfNotNow think of this hypocrisy from the Jewish establishment. As Goldstein himself said last year, lamenting the changes in the Jewish community: “Today, regrettably, I would say that Israel is the single most divisive issue in the American community, pitting American Jew against American Jew…”

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  1. American Perspective
    American Perspective
    July 2, 2018, 2:20 pm

    This is only hypocrisy if you adopt the Arab nationalist position, that the Arab nationalist community of Gaza are the same as the victimized folks seeking refuge on our Southern border.

    That someone would think that they are speaks volumes; and it is deeply hateful toward people from Honduras and the failed experiment in self-rule that’s collapsing in Mexico.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 2, 2018, 3:53 pm

      ” the failed experiment in self-rule that’s collapsing in Mexico.”

      As usual, crack the shell on the allrightnik and you’ll find an alt-Right nut.

      • American Perspective
        American Perspective
        July 2, 2018, 6:13 pm

        Criticism of the Mexican government makes someone part of the Alt-Right?

        And you guys realize that Mondoweiss is an Arab nationalist website, right? Are you seriously making an Alt-right allegation as an insult?

        I know that Arab nationalists are often encouraged to pledge their loyalty solely to the State of Palestine. But don’t the Americans on this board have even an ounce of care for the disaster on our southern border, and the absolute failure of a state that Mexico has become (Mexico makes Gaza look like a resort)? Or is the race-purity of Palestine more important than anything going on in your own country and its borders?

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 3, 2018, 2:45 pm

        @ American Perspective

        It’s obvious that “race-purity” seems to be very important for you and that you need to distract from it. You should change your nick to “Kahane’s perspective”.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 3, 2018, 8:27 pm

        “It’s obvious that “race-purity” seems to be very important”

        Then “AP” should have a look at this site. Maybe we’ve got enough ‘race-purity’ to be getting along with for the time being.

    • John O
      John O
      July 2, 2018, 6:40 pm

      “… the failed experiment in self-rule that’s collapsing in Mexico.”

      At least, AP, you’re an equal opportunities racist and you don’t confine your racism to Palestinians.

      • American Perspective
        American Perspective
        July 2, 2018, 7:05 pm

        It’s not antisemitic to criticize the government of the State of Palestine, or to note what Mondoweiss considers to be the failed Zionist experiment.

        Similarly, it is not racist to criticize the governments of Mexico (both the Federal government and the absolutely bloody state governments) or to note that the Mexican experiment in self-government has failed spectacularly.

        After all, it doesn’t take my observations – the thousands of dead politicians from this election alone speak for themselves. As do the millions of citizens of Mexico who have left and want to leave a place that has become the world’s largest, outdoor, drug cartel-ridden, politically corrupt, and morally depraved prison.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      July 3, 2018, 11:28 am

      @American Perspective

      “This is only hypocrisy if you adopt the Arab nationalist position, that the Arab nationalist community of Gaza are the same as the victimized folks seeking refuge on our Southern border.”

      Sigh. What an utterly inane comparison. Classic hasbara, i.e., “apples and oranges.”

      To be brief:
      While I stand with the desperate refugees seeking refuge in the U.S. who are being rejected by the Trump administration, unlike the Gaza Strip, which is illegally and brutally occupied by the entity known as “Israel,” Mexico is not under the military boot of the U.S.

      BTW, the contention on the part of the entity known as “Israel” that “the principles of belligerent occupation, including Article 49, paragraph 6 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, do not apply to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip because Jordan and Egypt were not the respective legitimate sovereigns of these territories” is without foundation. As the Legal Adviser of the Department of State advised the Congress, “…those principles [of belligerent occupation] appear applicable whether or not Jordan and Egypt possessed legitimate sovereign rights in respect of those territories. Protecting the reversionary interest of an ousted sovereign is not their sole or essential purpose; the paramount purposes are protecting the civilian population of an occupied territory and reserving permanent territorial changes, if any, until settlement of the conflict.”

      I also remind you that unlike the tactics of the entity known as “Israel” along the border with Gaza, American sharpshooters are not positioned along the border with Mexico shooting, killing and wounding defenseless Mexican and Latin American refugees. Nor has the U.S. designated huge portions of Mexico “no man’s land” as the entity known as “Israel” has done in the Gaza Strip.

      https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-gaza-border-killings-expose-israel-s-true-mentality-1.6032716

      Opinion: “Gaza Border Killings Expose Israel’s True Mentality
      And Bezalel Smotrich, like the cynical face of Avigdor Lieberman, reflects our own face, the face of Netanyahu’s advance guard for the West.”
      Zeev Sternhell Apr 27, 2018 – Haaretz

      ** Zeev Sternhell is a Polish-born Israeli historian, political scientist, commentator on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, and writer. He is one of the world’s leading experts on fascism.

    • Edward Q
      Edward Q
      July 3, 2018, 5:44 pm

      Many of the immigrants to the U.S. are seeking asylum from persecution. In theory the U.S. is supposed to accept such people. The Palestinians are stateless people that want to return to their ancestral lands they were driven from in 1948 by outside invaders. This right is enshrined in both U.N. resolutions and international law.

      As for Mexico, the recent election of a left-wing politician offers hope for that country. It should be noted that U.S. drug war policy has made the situation worse in this country. Given the performance of our own government lately, maybe we should limit criticism of the Mexicans.

    • Moral Jews
      Moral Jews
      July 3, 2018, 9:49 pm

      Zionist Terrorist rhetoric.

  2. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    July 2, 2018, 2:42 pm

    @American Perspective
    “This is only hypocrisy if you adopt the Arab nationalist position, that the Arab nationalist community of Gaza are the same as the victimized folks seeking refuge on our Southern border”

    Just to get this in perspective. The “Arab Nationalist community” are not and are not claiming to be the same. They are the indigenous inhabitants of what is now Zioland who were expelled by force by foreign colonists and who are seeking to return to their native lands and properties.

    You obviously have difficulty distinguishing betweeen your posterior and your elbow on this.

    • American Perspective
      American Perspective
      July 2, 2018, 4:03 pm

      What is the hypocrisy of opposing Arab nationalism (a far-right, unAmerican, and deeply unpopular political ideology among folks in Palestine who don’t speak Arabic); and urging one’s own government to treat asylum seekers on our southern border well?

      And you’re being silly. There is no such thing as an “indigenous inhabitant” in Palestine. Palestine was a cross-roads of the Roman Empire, and of the Greek expansion. Jericho has been a cosmopolitan city for some 10,000 years – there is no category of “indigenous inhabitant” of Palestine.

      And to be clear, the far-right ideology of Arab nationalism is solely a political ideology. It is supported in Palestine (and abroad) by folks of all ethnic, national, religious and tribal backgrounds. Arab nationalism has nothing to do with heritage, with race or with indigenity.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 2, 2018, 6:16 pm

        || American Perspective: … There is no such thing as an “indigenous inhabitant” in Palestine. … ||

        I agree with you that Jews (or “the Jews” as you Zionists like to call them) are not indigenous to Palestine.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        July 3, 2018, 10:56 am

        @American Perspective

        “There is no such thing as an ‘indigenous inhabitant’ in Palestine.”
        Utter nonsense!!

        I remind you of the following:

        http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full
        Front. Genet., 21 June 2017 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087

        EXCERPT:
        “The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish”

        “Recent genetic samples from bones found in Palestine dating to the Epipaleolithic (20000-10500 BCE) showed remarkable resemblance to modern day Palestinians.”

        Furthermore:
        “The non-Levantine origin of AJs [Ashkenazi Jews] is further supported by an ancient DNA analysis of six Natufians and a Levantine Neolithic (Lazaridis et al., 2016), some of the most likely Judaean progenitors (Finkelstein and Silberman, 2002; Frendo, 2004). In a principle component analysis (PCA), the ancient Levantines clustered predominantly with modern-day Palestinians and Bedouins and marginally overlapped with Arabian Jews, whereas AJs clustered away from Levantine individuals and adjacent to Neolithic Anatolians and Late Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans.”

        “Overall, the combined results are in a strong agreement with the predictions of the Irano-Turko-Slavic hypothesis (Table 1) and rule out an ancient Levantine origin for AJs, which is predominant among modern-day Levantine populations (e.g., Bedouins and Palestinians). This is not surprising since Jews differed in cultural practices and norms (Sand, 2011) and tended to adopt local customs (Falk, 2006). Very little Palestinian Jewish culture survived outside of Palestine (Sand, 2009). For example, the folklore and folkways of the Jews in northern Europe is distinctly pre-Christian German (Patai, 1983) and Slavic in origin, which disappeared among the latter (Wexler, 1993, 2012).”

        The Jebusite/Canaanites were ancestors of today’s Palestinians and it was they who founded Jerusalem around 3000 BCE. Originally known as Jebus, the first recorded reference to it as “Rushalimum” or “Urussalim,” site of the sacred Foundation Rock, appears in Egyptian Execration Texts of the nineteenth century BCE, nearly 800 years before it is alleged King David was born. Its name “seems to have incorporated the name of the Syrian god Shalem [the Canaanite God of Dusk], who was identified with the setting sun or the evening star…and] can probably be translated as ‘Shalem has founded’.” (Karen Armstrong, Jerusalem, One City, Three Faiths; Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1996, pp.6-7)

        BTW, Thus far, no credible archaeological evidence, or more importantly, writings of contemporaneous civilizations, have been found that prove Solomon or David actually existed. (Nor has any evidence been discovered to confirm that a Jewish exodus from Egypt ever occurred. )

        To quote renowned Jewish Israeli writer/columnist, Uri Avnery: “[David and Solomon’s] existence is disproved, inter alia, by their total absence from the voluminous correspondence of Egyptian rulers and spies in the Land of Canaan.” (“A Curious National Home,” by Uri Avnery, May 13/17 –
        http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1494589093/)

        It is estimated that the Hebrews did not invade until circa 1184 BCE and their resulting United Kingdom of Israel, which never controlled the coast from Jaffa to Gaza, lasted only about 75-80 years, less than a blip in the history of Canaan and Palestine.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 3, 2018, 1:53 pm

        Whether the Palestinians were “indigenous” (with its echoes of separate creation) doesn’t make much difference to me. They were there, and the Zionists had no right to do what they did with them, no matter who they were.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 3, 2018, 2:48 pm

        American Perspective: “There is no such thing as an “indigenous inhabitant” in Palestine.”

        Sure they are. The people who have been living their since generations. That excludes Jewish settlers who came in the last 100 years.

        But of course you can go further back and exclude the descendants of Abraham, the settler from Mesopotamia.

      • American Perspective
        American Perspective
        July 3, 2018, 2:49 pm

        Mooser – Fair enough.

        But Arab nationalists are hardly in a position to make the “human rights” case against Israel.

        Just look at the mess that you Arab nationalists made of the world (and note in particular the putrid alliances, military adventures, hegemonic overreach, and suffering inflicted by the State of Palestine) which negates any claim by an Arab nationalist to complain about what Israelis or Zionists did or did not do.

        You do know that from the mid-1920s and onward, the Arab nationalists have ruled the most violent European political movements, right? I don’t think opening that pandora’s box of “I know what you did in the 1940s” is a wise idea for you Arab nationalists on the far-right.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 3, 2018, 7:17 pm

        “You do know that from the mid-1920s and onward, the Arab nationalists have ruled the most violent European political movements, right? ”

        Loonier and loonier. Can AP top this one?

        (And there should be a comma between “that” and “from”.)

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 3, 2018, 7:46 pm

        || RoHa: “You do know that from the mid-1920s and onward, the Arab nationalists have ruled the most violent European political movements, right? ”

        Loonier and loonier. Can AP top this one?

        (And there should be a comma between “that” and “from”.) ||

        Not only do I believe, he can. I would believe that he will be doing so.

      • Moral Jews
        Moral Jews
        July 3, 2018, 9:51 pm

        I think that was a Hitler quote.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 4, 2018, 9:20 am

        RoHa: “Loonier and loonier. Can AP top this one?”

        Please understand that AP is living in the Kahane continuum. Things are very different there. That’s also the reason why he can’t prove any of his claims which seem to be complety mental for us. Absolutely mental.

  3. hophmi
    hophmi
    July 2, 2018, 3:50 pm

    You’re the hypocrite. You show sympathy for Palestinian refugees, but you’ve never shown sympathy for Jewish refugees from the rest of the Middle East, or even Christian refugees who continue to be cleansed from Iraq, or minority groups persecuted in Iran.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 2, 2018, 4:48 pm

      “Hophmi”, your comments are becoming alarmingly infrequent. Have you fallen away?

      • chocopie
        chocopie
        July 2, 2018, 8:56 pm

        We know how much you miss him. He brings out the best in you ; )

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 3, 2018, 8:49 pm

        “We know how much you miss him. He brings out the best in you “

        It’s been edifying watching “Hophmi” mature into a full-fledged tsitsa makher.

      • Moral Jews
        Moral Jews
        July 3, 2018, 9:52 pm

        His Mossad Troll checks have been lost in the mail.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      July 2, 2018, 6:22 pm

      @hophmi

      That’s totally illogical hophead. Not surprised though.

    • John O
      John O
      July 2, 2018, 6:42 pm

      Oh, blimey. Someone’s left the gate open at Jurassic Park again.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      July 2, 2018, 7:16 pm

      Israel behind ‘Christian exodus’ from Palestine @AJENews http://aje.io/wd6rm

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      July 3, 2018, 10:33 am

      And you’re a pathetic liar, hophmi,

      Plenty of sympathy has been shown – and yet, it’s the Palestinians IN THE PRESENT-DAY who are suffering as refugees.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      July 3, 2018, 10:38 am

      @hophmi

      Reality:
      To quote Yehouda Shenhav, of Iraqi Jewish heritage and professor of sociology and anthropology at Tel Aviv University: “Any reasonable person, Zionist or non-Zionist, must acknowledge that the analogy drawn between Palestinians and Mizrahi [Arab] Jews is unfounded. Palestinian refugees did not want to leave Palestine….Those who left did not do so of their own volition. In contrast, Jews from Arab lands came to this country under the initiative of the State of Israel and Jewish organizations.” (Haaretz, 8 October 2004.)

      Historian, Avi Shlaim, born into an affluent and influential family in Baghdad: “We are not refugees, nobody expelled us from Iraq, nobody told us that we were unwanted. But we are the victims of the Israeli-Arab conflict.” (Haaretz, August 11, 2005)

      Yisrael Yeshayahu, speaker of the Knesset: “We are not refugees…. We had messianic aspirations.”

      Shlomo Hillel, former minister and speaker of the Knesset: “I don’t regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists.”

      During a Knesset hearing into the matter, Ran Cohen, member of the Knesset: “I am not a refugee….I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee.” (Ha’aretz, October 8, 2004)

      It should not be forgotten that after having its bid for UN membership rejected twice, Israel signed the 1949 Lausanne Peace Conference Protocol and declared before the UN General Assembly that it would comply with UN Resolution 194, which, based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (binding on all UN members), calls for the repatriation of and/or compensation for the then near 800,000 Palestinian refugees who as determined by Walter Eytan, then Director General of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, were dispossessed and expelled by Jewish forces and the IDF before and during the 1948 war (including 400,000 between late 1947 and 15 May 1948), as a precondition for gaining UN admittance (see UNGA Resolution 273, 11 May 1949.) Israel is the only country admitted to the UN subject to a precondition. It has since refused to comply with its pledge and should have long since had its UN membership cancelled or suspended.

      The bottom line is that while well over one million Palestinians were brutally expelled from their homeland by Jewish militias and the IDF, they played no role whatsoever in the emigration of or any ill treatment and or loss of assets that Jews of Arab origin may have experienced in their former homelands. In short, apples and oranges.

      Regarding your predictable attempt at “whataboutery,” I also remind you that Jewish Zionist forces have dispossessed and expelled several thousand indigenous Palestinian Christians from their homeland.

  4. echinococcus
    echinococcus
    July 2, 2018, 4:49 pm

    … you’ve never shown sympathy for Jewish refugees from the rest of the Middle East, or even Christian refugees who continue to be cleansed from Iraq, or minority groups persecuted in Iran.

    How so? There has been a serious warning to Jews in all Arab countries to avoid associating with Zionists because conquest has consequences. We have sympathized with their plight when they were taken hostage by the Zionists and forced into Azrael’s Hell!
    As for the sectarian violence inflicted in Iraq by the US on express request by the Zionists according to their Yinon-PNAC plan, please address complaint to the perp and the requester.
    As for minority groups persecuted in theocratic Iran, we’re back to all non-invaders being persecuted in your Azrael hellhole.

  5. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    July 2, 2018, 5:23 pm

    @AmPer

    “Jericho has been a cosmopolitan city for some 10,000 years” Wow did they have like “Gay Pride” festivals in this cosmic city just like in Jaffa oops sorry I mean Tel Aviv you know with all those Hebrews who were the first to invent stone tools chilling out in fancy costumes.
    “There is no such thing as an “indigenous inhabitant” in Palestine”. I bet that is your nightime ritual self lullaby.
    http://www.refworld.org/docid/4954ce4d23.html
    And to be clear = Posterior/elbow syndrome
    @Hophmi
    If in doubt go for whatabout = boring predictable Zioevasion yawn. But you are right in one respect I have zero sympathy for barbaric murdering thieves who steal land from a native population and then claim that they are being victimised for being criticised as barbaric murdering thieves.

  6. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    July 2, 2018, 6:18 pm

    There’s a difference between refugees seeking a new status, like asylum seekers, and refugees seeking their old or former status, like those demanding a right of return. If the Palestinians had responded to Israeli aggression by scattering around the world, demaniding refuge and a path to local citizenship wherever they arrived, from Norway to Peru, I rather think that Israel and its sympathetisers would be supporting them vociferously. ‘Just because they had no right to be in Palestine they do not deserve continuing suffering and exclusion: if Peru won’t offer new status and citizenship to them, thay’s racism!’ we would hear. If the Central Americans now snoyimg Trump were claiming their old status and a right of return permitting them to outvote the supporters of the current regime in Honduras Trump souls be right behind them, thunderously proclaiming that it was shocking that so many people should have been driven out for political reasons and that Honduran democracy was a sham.

    • Jon66
      Jon66
      July 2, 2018, 9:35 pm

      Hughes,
      We have no idea what the Palestinians in the Arab countries would like to do. The host countries have not offered them options. We don’t know if they would rather return or resettle.
      It is not hypocrisy, but rather consistent to assert that receiving countries offer fair treatment and normality to those seeking refuge. Rather, the hypocrisy is demanding that the US treat it’s refugees in a manner that you do not demand of Lebanon, Syria, etc.

      If the US kept refugees in camps for decades in order to preserve their right of return the progressives would be howling.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 4, 2018, 8:00 am

        || Jon66: … We have no idea what the Palestinians in the Arab countries would like to do. The host countries have not offered them options. … ||

        And the “Jewish State” has not offered to let them return to their homes and lands.

        But, wait, I have a great idea!

        1. Israel – a “moral beacon” and “light unto the nations” state and the “only democracy in the Middle East” – leads the way by:
        – asking “the Palestinians in the Arab countries” what they would like to do; and
        – honouring and fulfilling the wishes of those Palestinians who desire to return to their homes and lands.

        2. The host countries integrate all remaining Palestinians.

  7. Keith
    Keith
    July 2, 2018, 7:10 pm

    PHIL- “The head of a leading American Jewish philanthropic organization….”

    Philanthropy is a much misunderstood and abused term. The harsh reality is that philanthropy is privatized social engineering. The Jewish Federations promote the communal interests of Jews and is a part of a power-seeking collective. It is the antithesis of universalism and multiculturalism.

    PHIL- “The hypocritical position is of course typical of the U.S. Jewish establishment, which is progressive on issues non-Palestinian.”

    I fail to see how this guy or practically any major “liberal” official is progressive on much of anything. Ignoring empire and neoliberal globalization and its impact on CREATING massive refugeeism is not progressive. Whining about various aspects of systemic injustice while basically ignoring the system which inevitably creates these injustices is not progressive, except as an attractive and misleading label. Besides, most of this organized support for refugees is mostly an attack on Trump by Democratic loyalists, Obama got a free pass for his policies.

    “The protests against immigration policies in the Trump-era are different than protests against abusive immigration policies in the Obama-era. There were mass protests against Obama’s immigration policies, which led to deportations at levels that Trump has still not approached, but in the Obama-era, the protests were organized and led primarily by immigrants. In the Trump era, there are protests by immigrants, especially around protecting the Dreamers, but they are also being organized by non-immigrant protesters with a focus against President Trump. These protests began almost immediately with the election of Trump and focused on his policies of stopping immigration at airports, Trump’s Muslim ban.” (Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers) https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/07/nationwide-protests-pro-immigrant-or-anti-trump/#more-81602

    • Donald
      Donald
      July 3, 2018, 8:21 am

      This is all true. The problem with that phrase “ progressive except for Palestine” is that it greatly overestimates how progressive some people are on other issues. It is good that people are mobilizing against Trmp’s immigration policy, but obviously a great many are outraged because it is Trump, just as the Zeese and Flowers piece argues. There was similar Democratic outrage about Bush’s Iraq invasion and the torture issue, but the Democratic antiwar movement evaporated once Obama won, and in 2016 we were constantly told that Clinton, who favors military intervention reflexively and supported the Iraq War, was some sort of foreign policy genius.

      I used to read “ Commentary” and there was no conflict between their stance on Israel and their overall support for US imperialism. They fit together seamlessly. You could imagine cases where the Israeli militarists might have a different POV on some issue compared to that of an American warmonger, but in practice they usually saw eye to eye. The exception would be someone like Pat Buchanan, who they hated, because he was an old fashioned militarist but seen as an antisemitic throwback. So you would see clashes between the neocons and the militarists among the paleocons. But the neocons and neoliberals generally had all the power. Paleocons can be either prowar or antiwar in some cases, but whatever stance they take they just don’t have much political clout.

    • American Perspective
      American Perspective
      July 3, 2018, 1:41 pm

      Arab nationalism is not a progressive cause.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 3, 2018, 2:31 pm

        || American Perspective: Arab nationalism is not a progressive cause. ||

        Neither is Jewish supremacism (Zionism).

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 3, 2018, 4:05 pm

        “Arab nationalism is not a progressive cause.”

        Is Jewish nationalism a progressive cause?

      • Edward Q
        Edward Q
        July 3, 2018, 10:37 pm

        The anti-colonial struggle is a progressive cause.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 3, 2018, 11:08 pm

        @Mooser

        Looking at all it’s traits it’s a progressive disease.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        July 4, 2018, 6:42 am

        No nationalism is a progressive cause. Nationalism is antithetical to progressive ideology. Hence why Zionism is backward

  8. Jasonius Maximus
    Jasonius Maximus
    July 2, 2018, 11:59 pm

    Ah, yes! Our amazing PEPZI class. Progressive Except for Palestine and Zionist Israel.

  9. jon s
    jon s
    July 3, 2018, 6:26 am

    The kites and baloons are not harmless toys and the people responsible for them are full-fledged terrorists, not some pranksters. Over the last few days there have been even more destructive and life-threatening fires, while the IDF has shown remarkable restraint so far. (The resrtaint may have something to do with the developing situation in the north, where thousands of Syrian civilians are fleeing towards Israeli -controlled territory, seeking shelter and assistance).

    • Donald
      Donald
      July 3, 2018, 10:28 am

      So “ full fledged terrorists” vs “ remarkable restraint”. I guess thousands of people shot and over 100 killed isn’t nearly enough for you.

      As for Syria, the Israelis and our wonderful American liberal interventionists and even some leftists have been happy to see the Syrian ( and non Syrian) rebels supported in their attempt to overthrow the government. It never made any sense from a humanitarian viewpoint no matter what one thought of Assad, but it makes perfect sense if the idea was to keep Syria, Iran and Hezbollah bogged down in an endless war and then blame Assad alone for the bloodshed. From Israel’s point of view, so long as no refugees came in large numbers into Israel, it was a win- win.

      • inbound39
        inbound39
        July 4, 2018, 1:25 am

        When you look at Israel in the harsh light of day it manipulated America to join them in taking over Palestine and arming Israeli’s so ethnic cleansing was easier. From the time Israel seized the Golan and illegally annexed it Israel thought Assad would tire and cease wanting it back. He did not so in order to secure Golan as Israeli they convinced America yet again to assist in removing Assad from power and armed and supported formation of rebel groups to destabilise Syria so Assad could not pursue the return of Golan. All in all since the twenties to present day,Israel has created more refugees than any other entity and has used America to do so because it can’t do it on its own. Israel has made friends with Al Quaeda and ISIS in order to get the job done proving Israel has no morals.

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      July 3, 2018, 10:33 am

      Most Israelis are terrorists since they serve in the IDF – a colonialist army, aiding in the theft of Palestine.

      You are a terrorist, Jon S.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 3, 2018, 1:34 pm

        “Jon s” is an IDF reserve medic. He specializes in meshumad therapy for IDF soldiers claiming PTSD.

      • jon s
        jon s
        July 4, 2018, 4:04 am

        Cliff, I served honourably in the IDF, that doesn’t make me a terrorist.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 4, 2018, 12:30 pm

        “Cliff, I served honourably in the IDF, that doesn’t make me a terrorist.”

        So did YoniFalic”. But you accuse him of being a murderer and “meshumad.

        That kind of crap doesn’t help your campaign to be elected ‘the last good Israeli’, “Jon s”

      • annie
        annie
        July 4, 2018, 1:15 pm

        I served honourably in the IDF, that doesn’t make me a terrorist.

        not sure it’s possible to serve honourably in the armed forces of an apartheid state who routinely participates in war crimes. it seems like a contradiction in terms.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 4, 2018, 4:44 pm

        I served honourably in the IDF

        I just love that one.

        Let’s skip the obvious fact that he is a terrorist and calls crimes against humanity “honourable”. But we all knew Johnny S as an American terrorist who invaded Palestine, and all of a sudden he becomes some kind of Limey. As if Noah Webster had never existed.
        Strange, strange.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      July 3, 2018, 2:36 pm

      jon s: “The kites and baloons are not harmless toys and the people responsible for them are full-fledged terrorists, not some pranksters.”

      Not at all. Occupied people have a right to resist occupation and alien domination by all means. The only ones that are terrorists are those who keep them from returning.

      jon s: “… while the IDF has shown remarkable restraint so far.”

      It must be pretty hard for them to not kill or cripple even more Nonjews. Woult it still be a Jewish democracy, if they don’t use ammo at Nonjewish protesters at all?

      • jon s
        jon s
        July 4, 2018, 4:09 am

        Talkback, I happen to agree that occupied people have the right to resist, including armed resistance, although I woud be wary of the words “by all means”.
        The Hamas terrorists in Gaza are not under occupation.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      July 3, 2018, 6:35 pm

      @jon s

      A lot of them are kids. It’s clear in the videos.

      But as you have it worded that they are all terrorist we now know you are ok with them being massacred.

      A left wing Israeli is a boot shine away from full blown fascist. And the need for a boot shine is merely camoflauge to hide barbaric savage behind it.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 3, 2018, 8:29 pm

        Old Geezer,

        A left wing Israeli is a boot shine away from full blown fascist.

        I must object, for the good name of all Nazifascists.
        Nobody, but nobody, ever surpasses them in the spit and shoe polish department!

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 3, 2018, 11:07 pm

        @ech
        Hahaha.. true. But they wear a scuffed pair when pretending to care about anybody but Jewish zionists.

      • jon s
        jon s
        July 4, 2018, 4:13 am

        old geezer,
        Kids? You do realize that recruiting and using child-soldiers, and using kids to facilitate terrorism is in itself a serious crime?

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 4, 2018, 9:36 am

        @jon s

        “Kids? You do realize that recruiting and using child-soldiers, and using kids to facilitate terrorism is in itself a serious crime?”

        I certainly do. As I am certainly also aware there has been zero evidence that they are operating as ‘child’ soldiers’ or anything else.

        You whimpering coward. Any excuse to kill some more Palestinians, eh?

        Never enough child deaths to satisfy you?

        Any fabricated excuse to justify the massacre of civilians.

        You disgusting immoral person.

      • jon s
        jon s
        July 4, 2018, 10:27 am

        old geezer,

        Who wrote “a lot of them are kids”? you did! And now you say that there’s zero evidence.

        I don’t want to massacre anyone, especially not kids. If an adult criminal sends a kid to commit arson, then the primary responsibility lies with the adult (in this case Hamas). The kid should be stopped by non-lethal means, if possible.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 4, 2018, 11:11 am

        Johnny S. is definitely a clever Palestine supporter. A real person cannot be that infinitely repellent if not on purpose.

        I don’t want to massacre anyone, especially not kids

        says he, while in the act of massacring them.

        The kid should be stopped by non-lethal means, if possible

        I looked, and that’s not what the law says. It says that invaders should be stopped from invading, including by lethal means if necessary.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 4, 2018, 11:12 am

        || jon s: … I don’t want to massacre anyone, especially not kids. … ||

        You personally may not wish to massacre anyone but you’ve made it clear that you support the massacre of people deemed* to be “armed terrorists or criminals”.
        _______________
        (*You continue to be evasive about who gets to make that determination about whom and according to what criteria.)

      • gamal
        gamal
        July 4, 2018, 11:45 am

        “The kid should be stopped by non-lethal means, if possible”

        just stop jon, the horse is dead, “if possible”, you don’t hear yourself,

        “If an adult criminal sends a kid to commit arson, then the primary responsibility lies with the adult (in this case Hamas)”

        “If…….” ….” ..(in this case Hamas)”

        have you seen the picture of Yasser Amjad Abu Naja (13) with his head blown out….if an adult ….if possible….you are a lost soul man…but kind of no loss judging by your deliberations, no loss to us, because of kites …the kid should not be killed, if possible, but you safe from Amjad now, sleep easy, enjoy the world cup.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 6, 2018, 11:24 am

        @jon s

        Hey jon? All hyped up for a massacre of Palestinians yet? How’s the insignificant “extensive” damage doing?

        Screw you and the morally bankrupt, depraved zionist ideology that infects you.

        “According to our [ed: ICRC] observations, including a chemical analysis of the herbicides in an Israeli laboratory, crops as far as 2,200 meters from the border fence were damaged by the herbicides”, the Red Cross wrote to Haaretz. “Some of the crops located between 100 and 900 meters were completely destroyed, including in some of the areas rehabilitated by the ICRC. [as part of a project to renew the earning capacity of farmers on land damaged by IDF attacks – A.H.] Irrigation pools located within one kilometer were also contaminated. The chemicals used for spraying stay in the soil for months and even years, and may have negative health consequences for people who consume contaminated crops and/or inhale the herbicide.

        Health risks

        The Red Cross message is clear. The damage goes beyond the immediate economic damage caused by the loss of the crops; the spraying has far-reaching health implications. ”

        https://www.haaretz.com/amp/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-farm-warfare-how-israel-uses-chemicals-to-kill-crops-in-gaza-1.6245475

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 6, 2018, 2:11 pm

        “…crops as far as 2,200 meters from the border…”

        Makes the flaming kites seem like a barely proportional response, donnit?

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 6, 2018, 4:56 pm

        @Mooser

        That is restraint the israeli terrorists have never exhibited!

        The abuse the Palestinians are subject to is mind blowing. It’s stomach churning.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      July 4, 2018, 6:41 am

      You should probably leave then and save your drip-by-drip harrowing tales of adventure and near death for more peaceful shores. May I suggest Alabama – seems like it would be a great fit.

      So ironic that ‘thousands of syrian civilians are fleeing towards’ blah, blah, blah.

      I smell a photo op/propaganda tour coming soon!!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 4, 2018, 12:32 pm

        . “May I suggest Alabama…”

        I agree; “Jon s” is a cracker who thinks he’s a matzoh.

      • jon s
        jon s
        July 11, 2018, 4:57 am

        The destruction caused by the fire-bearing baloons and kites is continuing daily, with over 900 fires , 20-30 fires every day. Agricultural land, pasture, nature preserves, forests are burning every day, the wildlife are dying and by now there’s a serious health risk to the civilians inhaling the smoke. Yesterday the goverment decided to impose a near-siege on Gaza , closing the crossing to all but food and medical supplies. I doubt that increasing the misery among the long-suffering people of Gaza will cause enough pressure on Hamas for them to stop the arson.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        July 11, 2018, 5:22 am

        jon s: Yesterday the goverment decided to impose a near-siege on Gaza. […] I doubt that increasing the misery among the long-suffering people of Gaza will cause enough pressure on Hamas for them to stop the arson.
        ————————————————

        You doubt the efficacy of this collective punishment . What about its morality and legality?

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 11, 2018, 7:31 am

        || jon s: The destruction caused by the fire-bearing baloons and kites is continuing daily … Yesterday the goverment decided to impose a near-siege on Gaza , closing the crossing to all but food and medical supplies. I doubt that increasing the misery among the long-suffering people of Gaza will cause enough pressure on Hamas for them to stop the arson. ||

        Well, so much for the deal we made:

        – Israel ends its decades-long and on-going occupation and colonization of territory outside of Israel’s / Partition borders; and, then,
        – the Palestinians stop the fires.

        Looks like Israel simply can’t – or won’t – honour its part.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 11, 2018, 8:21 am

        jon s: “I doubt that increasing the misery among the long-suffering people of Gaza …”

        But collective punishment (which is not only a warcrime, but also a crime against humanity) is Israel’s second nature.

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      July 5, 2018, 11:29 am

      It is a great shame that restraint of the IDF is not extended to children being deliberately shot in the head. They are not restrained when shooting three year old girls between the eyes. Three year olds are so dangerous. IDF are nothing but cowards and act without honour.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 5, 2018, 6:18 pm

        A soldier who murders children ist not a “coward” but a state sanctioned child murderer.

  10. JWalters
    JWalters
    July 3, 2018, 5:14 pm

    “US Jewish leader expresses compassion for refugees at US border– and contempt for Palestinian refugees”

    That’s because Mr. Goldstein is secure in his delusion that he has a God-given right to slaughter innocent Palestinians. And Americans (USS Liberty), and Mexicans, and anybody else should the occasion arise. After all, he’s on a mission from God.

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