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Maybe it was when Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel would respond to flaming kites from Gaza with an “iron fist.” Or maybe when 13 senators bucked the Israel lobby to call for an easing of the siege on Gaza. Or maybe when five young American Jewish women walked off their “Birthright” trip saying they needed to see the occupation.

Or maybe it was the election in a New York Democratic congressional primary of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez even after she described Israel’s actions in Gaza as a “massacre.” Or maybe it was the two Israeli government ministers who issued statements justifying the deportation of an American who supports boycott against Israel, with one minister saying, “This is a Jew who tried to abuse this fact.”

Hasbara has died. The Israeli effort to “explain” its actions to the world– that era is over. Israel has given up trying to explain itself to fair-minded people. Because the fair-minded have all made up their minds; the slaughter in Gaza has seen to that. And Israel doesn’t think they are fair anyway.

No, its explanations are reserved now for the hard-core supporters. The hasbara is pure propaganda, aimed at rallying the base. And everyone else is tuning out.

It didn’t used to be this way. Hasbara was a successful euphemism because Israeli propaganda was treated as being of a higher order, and so got wide pickup in the mainstream press and from American politicians. Even when segments of Europe and the left were against Israel, the Jewish state could count on a generous hearing in the hallways of power. Leading journalists such as Jeffrey Goldberg, Tom Friedman, Wolf Blitzer and Terry Gross were happy to carry water for Israel’s side of any controversy and malign those who questioned it, and Dennis Ross was on NPR morning noon and night.

These days the streetwise are steering clear. Goldberg spent a chummy hour with Ben Rhodes at Politics & Prose on June 15 and didn’t touch the Israel/Palestine topic. “Not one Democrat has defended Israel over Gaza massacre,” was a headline in Electronic Intifada.

Some of this is Trump. Along with Sheldon Adelson, he has made Israel a rightwing cause in the U.S. and compelled any writer/player on the lib-left to support an anti-racist program in which Israel can only be an embarrassment. Jeffrey Goldberg now has a leadership role in the opposition, as Atlantic editor, so he can’t afford the baggage (as he charts his course toward anti-Zionism).

Then there’s Israel’s embrace of apartheid and massacre as its only answer to its constitutional problem, the Palestinians. There is no vision in Israeli leadership, and after four Gaza massacres, everyone knows it. At a July 4th party a guest who used to love Israel admitted it may not be around 30 years from now. Netanyahu is said to harbor the same doubts.

The Jewish defection is key, of course. Jews have a privileged position in the global discourse of Israel, and the Jewish monolith is crumbling. The young Jews of IfNotNow are conducting a full-scale assault on the Jewish establishment. “Israel doesn’t have a public relations crisis; it has a moral crisis,” IfNotNow says (quoting Avrum Burg), while a Jewish leader howls to a synagogue full of older Jews: “Where did we go wrong in our homes and our schools!?”

Rebecca Vilkomerson of the burgeoning group Jewish Voice for Peace observes that everyone from her daughter’s New York public high school to Bette Midler are openly critical of the massacre, even as Israelis endorse it overwhelmingly, and when the New York Times said dozens of Palestinians “died” in protests in Gaza, Judd Apatow had enough.

“Have died.” Shame on you. This is like calling Trump’s lies “factual innacuracies.” Please tell me an intern is running your twitter feed.

The Democratic political establishment is even beginning to steer clear of this mess. Vilkomerson (to the Real News):

I think with the exception of [Chuck] Schumer, no Democrats have been defending Israel’s actions. In fact, quite a number, in fact over a dozen, have spoken out against what Israel has done over the course of the last six weeks. And you contrast that with 2014 [when Israel killed over 2200 in Gaza, including 500 children], when I think it was something like 78 senators signed a statement supporting the Gaza war. So there has been a shift. in terms of Congress and who’s willing to speak out and being able to speak out. And that there’s enough backing from their own constituents to speak out that they’re not going to be punished by AIPAC or other organizations…

This puts the Israeli government in a new position. It is just another rightwing authoritarian country with a story to tell about why change isn’t necessary but force is that talking heads in the U.S. are going to ignore or make fun of.

Hasbara always relied on a passive American press and active advocates for the Israeli line who got airtime. Time was when Michael Oren could go on CNN to say that Palestinians staged fake deaths for sympathy, and even the Atlantic followed suit. When Abba Eban could say that Palestinians never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity, and Palestinians could never live it down. When Alan Dershowitz slammed Jimmy Carter by referencing “Auschwitz borders,” and US presidents talked about Israel’s narrow waist, and a historian coined the word “Pallywood,” and Time Warner executive Gary Ginsberg wrote speeches for Netanyahu, and Jim Clancy lost his job at CNN for accusing pro-Israel activists of practicing “Hasbara.”

Those dynamics have changed. The advocates have become more and more rightwing, and the press corps is less accepting. The New York Times is still on board, with its murderers row of Bret Stephens, Shmuel Rosner and Bari Weiss, but fewer and fewer intelligent people elsewhere are buying Israel’s story. Even David Brooks is getting cold feet, citing Israeli “ethnocentrism” and “segregation.”

The LA Times lately took an uncharacteristically hard line on legislation aimed at circumscribing criticism of Israel on campus. “Enough already. Not all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism,” it wrote. The Labour Party in Britain has also declined to endorse a definition of anti-Semitism that includes harsh criticism of Zionism, Israel, and its lobby, and after years of sitting on its hands the Episcopal Church is finally moving to end its “complicity” with occupation.

Zionism is becoming an ever more problematic brand, even for erstwhile liberal Zionists. Dahlia Scheindlin is talking about a confederated state. So is Bernard Avishai. Publications that once toed the line seem to have had enough of the bullshit, notably The New Yorker. While other writers are considering an idea that cost a Yale chaplain his job during the last slaughter: Israel is fostering anti-Semitism.  Tony Klug told J Street that Israel’s actions are putting world Jewry in a “precarious” position, and Sarah Helm of the Guardian and New York Review of Books wrote, “Israel’s own increasingly shocking policies towards Palestinians does more to fuel anti semitism than anything.”

Hasbara is today the preserve of the converted: right wingers talking to rightwingers. Settler/author Yossi Klein Halevi lately gave an AIPAC-sponsored talk to a Connecticut synagogue and mentioned the Gaza slaughter just once, and he seemed confounded.

Until the outbreak of violence on Gaza border, [my] plan was to do a book tour in American mosques, and I don’t know where that stands now. The temperature in the American Muslim community now is very high. And we’re going to have to wait for things to cool down at least for a few months before I can revisit that.

He still has hopes of talking to them, though.

I don’t think most Palestinians or Muslims know our narrative.

Ah but that’s the problem. We all know the story too well now, and we’ve had enough.

Philip Weiss

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  1. Spring Renouncer on July 10, 2018, 2:36 pm

    In past years I would have discarded this analysis as wishful thinking, but now I finally dare to have hope that the veil of lies is lifting. You are right that Trump’s election has played a role. Had Clinton won the center would have held somewhat longer, but now the rupture between Democrats and Israel seems unbridgeable.

    If it is true that the stars are aligning after so long, what the Palestinian need now more than ever is a set of thoughtful, charismatic, principled and strong leaders to help lead them to justice.

    • JWalters on July 10, 2018, 8:13 pm

      Who speak English clearly and articulately, to connect with the American voters.

      • Misterioso on July 11, 2018, 9:51 am

        @Spring Renouncer and JWalters

        AGREED!!! I’ve been saying the same thing for years. And Palestinians have within their ranks many men and women who are experts on the I/P conflict and “speak English clearly and articulately….” It is absolutely imperative that they “connect with the American voters.”
        The entity known as “Israel” is increasingly vulnerable to the truth.

      • Citizen on July 11, 2018, 2:08 pm

        This won’t matter much if no US mainstream news media trots out some of those English-able Palestinian pundits.

    • eljay on July 11, 2018, 10:12 am

      || Spring Renouncer: … If it is true that the stars are aligning after so long, what the Palestinian need now more than ever is a set of thoughtful, charismatic, principled and strong leaders to help lead them to justice. ||

      || JWalters: Who speak English clearly and articulately, to connect with the American voters. ||

      And who are able to avoid getting imprisoned, killed or otherwise silenced by the “Jewish State”.

    • genesto on July 11, 2018, 1:13 pm

      Ah, but dear Ms. Clinton is talking of another run at the Presidency in 2020! A good gauge of how far we have actually come will be to see if her effort gets quashed in its infancy – as it well should if the Dems are truly shifting to the progressive left on this and other issues – or not.

  2. Maghlawatan on July 10, 2018, 3:08 pm

    “The Labour Party in Britain has also declined to endorse a definition of anti-Semitism that includes harsh criticism of Zionism, Israel, and its lobby”

    Wrapping up “Jewish self determination” in a brutal system of ethnic hatred- it doesn’t seem to work any more in the UK :

    Israel should have taken the peace offer in 2000. It is too late to rescue Zionism now.
    God must be laughing her head off

    • Keith on July 10, 2018, 6:34 pm

      MAGHLAWATAN- “Wrapping up “Jewish self determination” in a brutal system of ethnic hatred- it doesn’t seem to work any more in the UK :”

      Nothing in the article you linked suggests that this is so. In fact, I draw the opposite conclusion. Reckless charges of anti-Semitism have been legalized and sanctified in Britain making criticism of Israel and Zionism risky to say the least. This is a manifestation of Jewish Zionist power which appears to me to be growing stronger, not weaker. A relevant quote and link.

      “The article will delve into the corrosive methods of the CAA; review the manner in which this ultra Zionist group “discovers” anti-Semitic “incidents”; examine their inaccurate statistical “studies” and see how they seek to intimidate political parties, venues, the press and others; and look at the court cases which the CAA has prosecuted. In the guise of fighting anti-Semitism, the CAA has managed to manoeuvre British society into abdicating its core liberal values, intimidate the prosecutorial and judicial system, and silence criticism of Israel in both social media and the mainstream media.

      The CAA does not just attempt to limit speech; it openly follows a scorched earth policy “that if someone commits an anti-Semitic act in the UK (including criticism of Israel)” the CAA “ensure[s] ruinous consequences, be they criminal, professional, financial or reputational”.

      For example, in the last 18 months Britain’s largest political party, the Labour Party, has suspended and expelled over a hundred of its members for expressing their views on Israel or Jewish history. Presumably these dismissals act as a deterrent to others who might also wish to express their opinions. Hard as it is to believe, in 21st century Britain people have been imprisoned for trying to be funny…

      The CAA’s “success” in Britain is not irrelevant to Americans. Despite the First Amendment, rules limiting speech have been creeping into our society, notwithstanding our constitutional protections.” (Eve Mykytyn)

      • Bumblebye on July 10, 2018, 7:28 pm

        The para about the Labour Party is (thankfully) out of date now. The previous Gen Sec of the party, Ian McNicol and many of his staff were Blairite holdovers who loathe Jeremy Corbyn. They were responsible for the purges of the last couple of years, which saw thousands expelled and suspended for spurious reasons including antisemitism, including a few high profile figures. McNicol resigned earlier this year and was replaced by Jenny Formby. She has implemented recommendations of the Chakrabarti Report into the disciplinary procedures and now updated the Party’s approach to antisemitism, absurdly this latter move led to three (rw) MPs who had contributed to the new LP definition protesting it wasn’t strong enough. They had written it however, and Formby fired back at them with their own words (see Skwawkbox last week).

      • Keith on July 11, 2018, 10:27 am

        BUMBLEBYE- “She has implemented recommendations of the Chakrabarti Report into the disciplinary procedures and now updated the Party’s approach to antisemitism….”

        That a small, privileged group could use spurious claims of “anti-Semitism” as a weapon to “ensure[s] ruinous consequences, be they criminal, professional, financial or reputational,” indicates a radically outsized influence of Zionist Jews upon the political economy. Corbyn should have nipped this in the bud. Folks who roll over get run over. Things may not be quite as bad as they were, but that is hardly reassuring.

      • Bumblebye on July 11, 2018, 2:42 pm

        I’m sure Corbyn would love to be able to have “nipped this in the bud”. However that is not a power he has. He is leader of the Party, but inherited a structure filled with bureaucratic holdovers at the national, regional and local level whose loyalty was (and in too many cases, remains) with the blairite wing. He has had to wait thru numerous intra-party elections to achieve change at the bureaucratic top. Regional staffers have fought the membership up and down the country in their own efforts to prevent change. This really is a battle on many fronts when considering the right-wing MPs (who call themselves ‘Centrist’), the MSM as well as the old style apparatchiks.

      • MHughes976 on July 11, 2018, 5:49 pm

        Corbyn decided from the beginning of his leadership not to give priority to the Palestine issue and has gone along with the anti-anti-Semitism campaign. There may have been some unpleasant abuse of Jewish people which was properly censured but some of the campaign has been excessive. I’m not a great Ken Livingstone admirer but I think he’s been unfairly crushed, not being anti-Semitic even under the famous ‘international definition’. Years ago I wrote to a newspaper defending KL against Oliver Kamm, a journalist (happening to be Jewish) campaigning against him. Kamm has recently to his credit expressed dismay at the criminal conviction of Alison Chabloz which seems to bring ‘giving offence’ (in respect of holocaust denial) unequivocally into the purview of our laws.

  3. Kay24 on July 10, 2018, 5:40 pm

    After a while it gets harder for the hasbara to keep trying to defend the indefensible. How long can apologists in the US media, keep pretending what the world sees in live pictures, unarmed civilians being killed by precision bombs and snipers, is all the fault of the victims. The justifications for massacre after massacre, is sounding lamer, weaker, and it makes those carrying the water for Israel, look like they are full of BS.

    Now if the Congress can find the courage to stop the aid, weapons, and unwavering support, going to the zionists, and stop enabling them, the end game will be swifter.

    • Citizen on July 11, 2018, 2:18 pm

      Israel is passing laws to end the free flow of Palestinian photos and videos depicting what Israel does to them. IfAmericansKnew only has a tad over 6,000 followers; don’t hold your breath waiting for Dick and Jane to become aware of the plight of the Palestinians and its relation to their tax dollars and increasingly negative diplomatic image in the world.

  4. on July 10, 2018, 6:36 pm

    “Maybe it was when Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel would respond to flaming kites from Gaza with an “iron fist.” Or maybe when 13 senators bucked the Israel lobby to call for an easing of the siege on Gaza. Or maybe when five young American Jewish women walked off their “Birthright” trip saying they needed to see the occupation.”

    Or maybe it was this highly recommended rap video (a must watch) that put the hasbara to rest.

    Watch “Israel vs Palestine – feat. DAM & Norman Finkelstein [RAP NEWS 24]” on YouTube

  5. JimMichie on July 10, 2018, 6:44 pm

    BROVISSIMO! CONGRATULATIONS, Mondoweiss, for stripping away the tattered veils from the Israeli Zionist regime!

    ZIONISM NO LONGER HAS CLOTHES: a naked brutal, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, fascist and terrorist rogue nation inhabiting Palestine, a sovereign nation the Zionists stole with brute, murderous force six decades ago!

    Thank you, Mondoweiss!

    • JWalters on July 10, 2018, 8:22 pm

      Second that! Some historians of the future will write books and give talks on C-SPAN about the key role played by Mondoweiss. Mondoweiss will also provide a trove of information for such historical research.

  6. JWalters on July 10, 2018, 8:19 pm

    Perhaps Kati Miranda could add a 4th picture, of Netanyahu holding leashes to collars on the other three?

  7. Atlantaiconoclast on July 10, 2018, 8:38 pm

    Tying the Palestinian cause to the anti Trump crusade is a very dangerous strategy. Unless we have a huge economic crash, Trump will win re-election. Why not work on convincing middle America that Israel is not our friend and that Israel does not deserve to continue to be America’s welfare queen? All you need to do is tell the truth about what Israel has done to this nation over the years, from the Lavon Affair, to the attack on the USS Liberty, to the lobbying for the Iraq War, etc.

    Make the case against Israel with a bi-partisan approach.

    • Maghlawatan on July 11, 2018, 2:17 am

      It is not hard to make the case that the money should be spent on Americans

      “So when you get a letter it’s like a gift from God. He told me everything that I wanted to hear. He said I wasn’t going to be a prostitute any more, that I could go home with him and live at his house, and that he would be the love that I was searching for.”

      When Kate walked out of prison, Rawls, a career criminal and convicted felon with more than 47 charges for sexual battery, child abuse, drug possession and assault, was there to pick her up. Just as he had promised.

      In the US, where opioid abuse has sparked a public health crisis, fentanyl is at the front line of overdose deaths. Opioid overdoses increased by about 30% across the US in just 14 months between 2016 and 2017, and fentanyl deaths shot up by 540% between 2013 and 2016.

      According to the the US Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, the rate of deaths caused by synthetic opioids such as fentanyl jumped from 3.1 per 100,000 in 2015 to 6.2 per 100,000 in 2016. In October last year the US president, Donald Trump, declared it a public health emergency.
      What stories are catching your eye at the moment?
      The opioid crisis in the US. There’s been a lot of hand-wringing about it, as if it’s some kind of natural disaster. I see it more as a crime story. And I find the psychology very interesting. People like the Sacklers [the family who made billions from OxyContin] have a hard time understanding why anybody should consider them the bad guys – after all, they were just trying to make a buck.


      Here, in a beat-up downtown, sandwiched between a noisy railroad and the brown waters of the Ohio River, is the US opioid epidemic’s ground zero — the drug court for this city of 47,000 with an overdose rate 10 times the national average.

      These days, Huntington is best known for two things. The first is a cluster of 26 overdoses and two deaths that all happened in a five-hour stretch in the early morning of Aug. 15, 2016, and were all tied to heroin and other opioids. The deaths alarmed public health officials, pointing to the lethality of fentanyl, a synthetic drug roughly 30 times more potent than heroin, and carfentanil, an astonishing 5,000 times more potent than heroin. At the start of the decade, fentanyl overdoses were rare. Now the drug and its chemical cousins are the country’s leading cause of fatal overdoses.

    • JWalters on July 11, 2018, 6:49 pm

      I agree the strongest case is in showing Americans where their own self-interest lies. Their entire economy is under assault, e.g. “War Profiteers and Israel’s Bank”.

    • RoHa on July 11, 2018, 8:21 pm

      “Tying the Palestinian cause to the anti Trump crusade is a very dangerous strategy.”

      Tying it to any other cause is a dangerous strategy. It is an unfortunate fact that people are more likely to judge a cause, not on its merits, but according to whether it is acceptable in their political tribe. If it is tied to another cause, it will be rejected by those who oppose that cause.

      If the Palestinian cause becomes tied to the anti-Trump cause, it will be rejected out of hand by the pro-Trumpers. And the same goes for any cause you may think of.

      • Atlantaiconoclast on July 13, 2018, 3:41 pm

        I only mean to tie it an America First politics, not to the two tired parties. My use of bi-partisan was imprecise.

    • gamal on July 11, 2018, 11:29 pm

      “Make the case against Israel with a bi-partisan approach”

      because despite the American delusion you can not have politics without politics, until the poor “whites” of America learn what class is they aren’t going anywhere…Amy Chua knows it, as did Eugene Debs,

      “Listen Up Liberals: Anti-White Discrimination Key to Trump’s Election (and Re-Election)

      “White anxiety about antiwhite discrimination cuts across party lines. According to a 2016 Pew study, about half of Republicans believe there is a lot or some discrimination against whites, but so do nearly 30% of Democrats. . . . .There is in fact some justification for these feelings of white marginalization – at least among a certain segment of the white population. Poor and working-class whites have among the highest rates of unemployment and addiction.

      Life expectancy is declining for whites without a high school degree – something true of almost no other demographic, including high school dropouts from other racial groups. Educational prospects for poor white children are extremely bleak. Private tutors and one-thousand dollar SAT courses are completely cost prohibitive to poor or even working-class people – and poor whites don’t benefit from affirmative action. Whereas most elite colleges do special outreach for racial minorities, they rarely send scouts to the backwoods of Kentucky. Out of roughly two hundred students in the Yale Law School class of 2019, there appears to be exactly one poor white – or three, if we include students from families living just above the federal poverty line. Administrators have described this class as the ‘most diverse’ in the school’s history.

      “It is simply a fact that the ‘diversity’ policies at the most selective American universities and in some sectors of the economy have had a disparate adverse impact on whites. Relative to their population percentage, working-class whites, and particularly white Christians from conservative states, are often the most underrepresented group at America’s elite universities. White employees increasingly feel victimized by prodiversity promotion policies that they see as discriminating against them – and the United States Supreme Court has agreed, striking down as illegal a particularly bald-faced attempt by the city of New Haven, Connecticut, to invalidate promotions for white firefighters in order to promote more minorities.

      “While whites generally are still extremely disproportionately represented in the U.S. Senate, the media, and the corporate world, working-class whites are decidedly not. Between 1999 and 2008, only 13 of the 783 members of Congress who served had spent more than a quarter of their adulthood in blue-collar jobs.

      As political scientist Nick Carnes writes, ‘Although women and racial minorities were still underrepresented at the end of the twentieth century, their gains during the postwar period sharply contrasted [with] the stable underrepresentation of working-class people, who made up between 50% and 60% of the nation during the last hundred years but who constituted 2% or less of the legislators who served in each Congress during that time.’

      “The result of all this is that working-class whites have among the lowest upward mobility rates in the nation. Not surprisingly, when surveyed about the prospects of children today, whites were overwhelmingly more pessimistic than Latinos and blacks. Just 24 percent of whites believed the next generation would be better off financially or the same as their parents, compared to 49 percent of blacks and 62 percent of Latinos.

      “Beyond their economic anxiety, many whites feel an intense cultural anxiety. America’s culture wars are nothing if not a fight for the right to define our national identity – and it’s a bitter, race-inflected battle. After Beyonceé channeled Black Lives Matter at the 2016 Super Bowl, half the country deified her while the other half accused her of ‘cop killer entertainment.’ At the 2017 Oscars, the question of whether Best Picture would go to La La Land (a throwback musical that some criticize for ‘whitesplaining’ jazz) or Moonlight seemed to have massive implications – as did the gaffe that initially gave the award to the former by mistake.

      White male heroes like John Wayne have given way to the clueless white male, who doesn’t even know how racist he is, and is regularly made into television sport (as on Saturday Night Live). For tens of millions of white Americans today, mainstream popular culture displays an un-Christian, minority-glorifying LGBTQ America they can’t and don’t want to recognize as their country – an America that seems to exclude them, to treat them as the enemy.”

      ——Amy Chua, Political Tribes, Group Instinct and the Fate of Nations

      • Maghlawatan on July 13, 2018, 4:26 am

        The problem is economic rather than cultural

        1. “If the unfolding disaster of Brexit is to be stopped in its tracks, and the over-remembered, over-deified past restored to its proper place, we need parallel creativity – a constitutional settlement with Europe and, at home, a real assault on the injustices that fed what was at bottom a protest vote against a status quo too many found intolerable. Too much remembering has become toxic. It is time to forget and move on.”


        The US needs “some sort of synthesis on the larger postindustrial/populism war. Over a century ago industrialisation brought on culture clash between agrarian populist and the genteel Victoria aristocrats.  Théodore Roosevelt transcended the fight by inventing a new kind of American nationalism. Meanwhile the progressives cleaned up elite corruption and nurtured a square deal for those left behind by technological change. Cultural leaders introduced new institutions and community forms like the Boy Scouts and the settlement house that drew from both cultures replaced them.  Today we need another grand synthesis that can move us beyond the current divide, a synthesis that is neither redneck nor hipster but draws from both worlds to create a new social vision . Progress on guns will be possible when the culture war subsides, not before.

        Unfortunate for Israel both solutions involve breaking Israel -friendly power

      • Mooser on July 13, 2018, 1:23 pm

        ” a synthesis that is neither redneck nor hipster but draws from both worlds to create a new social vision”

        David Brooks

    • echinococcus on July 12, 2018, 12:01 pm


      Golden words. As RoHa said, tying any cause to a party guarantees visceral opposition by the opposed “political tribe”.

      Practically all organizations in the business of somehow opposing Zionist oppression, if not its occupation of Palestine, seem to be mainly in another business. That of restricting the outreach strictly to what’s called “Liberals” in America. Or to a “liberal” Jewish audience.

      They ensure that any attempt to end US participation in the Zionist abomination remains confined to a small AND notoriously impotent percentage of the population.

      But it’s very wrong to call for “a bi-partisan approach”. Any bi-partisan approach will be directly under Zionist orders. A strictly non-partisan approach is the only one with any chance of being effective.

      • RoHa on July 13, 2018, 2:05 am

        Not just political parties.

        The Palestinian cause should not be tied to any other cause, whether it be LBJTQ, Ban the Burqa, RoHa for King, or the Campaign for Real Ale.

      • echinococcus on July 13, 2018, 1:24 pm

        Who’s the so-and-so who opposes RoHa for King?

      • Atlantaiconoclast on July 13, 2018, 3:39 pm

        I should not have said bi-partisan, I meant to say, across political spectrum. thanks for the good point.

      • RoHa on July 14, 2018, 2:25 am

        I don’t know that anyone does, but it is logically possible that there are people who object to comma usage being mandated by law.

      • Mooser on July 14, 2018, 12:45 pm

        “people who object to comma usage being mandated by law.”

        Comma law is the cornerstone of our entire legal system.

    • Atlantaiconoclast on July 13, 2018, 3:43 pm

      I should have written, with an “America First” approach, unless you are paranoid that someone will call you “racist” or anti Semitic.

      • Mooser on July 13, 2018, 5:10 pm

        “unless you are paranoid that someone will call you “racist” or anti Semitic.”

        Ah, the new “America First”, now with diversity!

  8. Nathan on July 10, 2018, 9:28 pm

    “No, its explanations are reserved now for the hard-core supporters. The hasbara is pure propaganda, aimed at rallying the base. And everyone else is tuning out”.

    When I read the above quote, I couldn’t help but think that it could apply to this website. The outlook of all the articles is meant for the hard-core anti-Israel audience that dreams of the demise of Israel. It’s simply propaganda that is focused on re-convincing the convinced. And no one else takes it too seriously.

    Anyway, let’s put things in their proper proportions. Let’s say that it’s true that “hasbara has died… because the fair-minded have all made up their minds”. So what? Let’s say that it’s true that “fewer and fewer intelligent people elsewhere are buying Israel’s story”. So what?

    I understand the need of the anti-Israel crowd to believe that the end is near. Therefore, every protest becomes such a big deal, and any artist who cancels an appearance in Israel is a sign that BDS is on the verge of breaking Israel’s back. It must be a terrible burden to maintain such a high level of absolute obsession with fantasies. My sympathies, indeed.

    It would be a breath of fresh air to read an article in Mondoweiss in which appears an outline of some sort of end-of-conflict idea. The impact of such an article on reality would also be negligible, but it certainly would be a blessed change from the boring and oft-repeated message that appears at the end of this article (“We all know the story too well now, and we’ve had enough”).

    • RoHa on July 11, 2018, 1:30 am

      “It would be a breath of fresh air to read an article in Mondoweiss in which appears an outline of some sort of end-of-conflict idea. ”

      Do you mean something like these?

      or something more like this?

      • Nathan on July 11, 2018, 10:38 am

        Okay, RoHa, I’ll have to accept your corrections. There are plenty of Mondoweiss articles that envision an end of conflict. So, allow me to re-phrase my comment. It would be a breath of fresh air to read an article (and to debate with the readers) about an end-of-conflict proposition that is about ending the conflict with Israel. The various proposals for a one-state solution are about replacing Israel with another political entity. It would be a bit more interesting to discuss ideas that are somehow a reflection of political reality.

      • Talkback on July 11, 2018, 11:34 am

        Nathan: “The various proposals for a one-state solution are about replacing Israel with another political entity. It would be a bit more interesting to discuss ideas that are somehow a reflection of political reality.”

        You simply don’t get it, do you? It doesn’t matter if a state called Israel exists or not. It is about equal rights of Jews and Nonjews in historic Palestine, including those your beloved Junta keeps expelled to maintain ikts Apartheid regime.

      • eljay on July 11, 2018, 12:14 pm

        || Nathan: … allow me to re-phrase my comment. It would be a breath of fresh air to read an article (and to debate with the readers) about an end-of-conflict proposition that is about ending the conflict with Israel. … It would be a bit more interesting to discuss ideas that are somehow a reflection of political reality. ||

        What would truly be a breath of fresh air is a proposal from Zionists to resolve the conflict in accordance with the principles of justice, accountability and equality.

        It’s no surprise that a Zionist would rather “discuss ideas that are somehow a reflection of political reality” so that Israel:
        – remains a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”;
        – keeps as much as possible of what it has stolen;
        – is absolved of its obligations under international law (incl. RoR); and,
        – is absolved of responsibility and accountability for the past and on-going (war) crimes it has committed.

        Your re-phrased comment is just a wordier variation of jon s’ call for a Zionist “peace”.

      • Mooser on July 11, 2018, 12:58 pm

        ” It would be a breath of fresh air to read an article (and to debate with the readers) about an end-of-conflict proposition that is about ending the conflict with Israel.”

        Sure, “Nathan”! So how would you feel about this “end-of-conflict proposition”: Israel, using every means at its disposal, completely destroys the Palestinian polity and population, leaving Israel in complete possession of Palestine.
        Would you have any objection to that “end-of-conflict proposition”?

      • JWalters on July 11, 2018, 6:54 pm

        “political reality” is a euphamism “let Zionist criminals keep their ill-gotten gains”. History has shown that “facts on the ground” can be removed, and mass murderers can be tried and convicted.

      • RoHa on July 11, 2018, 8:25 pm

        Nathan, it is not possible to end the conflict with Israel-as-it-is in any way other than that which Mooser has outlined. Israel-as-it-is will not end the conflict until that goal is achieved.

        This is why all other end of conflict proposals require changing Israel from the way it is now.

    • Maghlawatan on July 11, 2018, 2:22 am

      fewer intelligent people elsewhere are buying Israel’s story”. So what?

      Say intelligent people don’t believe the Bulgarian government any more. So what ? Bulgaria isn’t needy. Bulgaria is a normal country.

      Israël is not like the other children. Israel needs to be understood. Why? Because it is an enclave surrounded by enemies. Because it is nominally Jewish. Because if the airport and airbase were taken out it would be in serious trouble. Because what it is doing is illegal under international law. Because it chose a stupid path half a century ago.

      • JWalters on July 11, 2018, 6:56 pm

        Well put.

    • on July 11, 2018, 3:35 am

      @Nathan: the problem with you guys is that you refuse to see 1 basic element that blows your whole hasbara baby to bits. That element is that “Israel” is the only “country” in the world that needs hasbara to “justify” its genocidal apartheid system, that needs to choke off criticism of the Zionists and their project, that needs to destroy an entire population of “the other” in order survive, that needs to gerrymander and kill to keep the Jew-Arab ratio at an apparent parity, and that even needs to exclude Jews who are critical out.

      When a system has to stoop so low it has no other direction to go than downhill, and the beauty of the “Israel” situation is that it is doing the work itself.

      The other thing you guys keep ignoring is that the rot comes from within, and within your Zionist project that rot started from Day 1. “Benefactors” like that Alzheimered war criminal Adelson is pouring oil on the fire of the rot, instead of contributing to transform your project into a truly democratic & viable country.

      Keep up the good work, the end is coming, just like it was for WW2 Nazi Germany and former apartheid South Africa, both of which rotted from within and were given a helping hand from outside.

      • JWalters on July 11, 2018, 6:57 pm


    • DaBakr on July 11, 2018, 8:11 am


      For every far left so-called progressive american that supposedly no longer believes that Israeli hasbara is simply an explanation of their pov, there are millions of more foreign citizens that never had much stake in the I/P conflict that now view Israel more favourably then in the past. chalk it up to Israel’s advancing economic strategy into far flung corners of the earth or to internet news sites bringing to assorted people’s a more nuanced view of the conflict then the totally anti-israel view pushed since Israel’s inception in many parts of the world.
      So, while its easy to say “hasbara is dead” it’s far more difficult to claim that super economic engines like India, China, Southeast Asia, Japan, Sunni Arab nations, African Christian nations(sans South Africa which is headed towards the dump anyway) plus Israel’s usual allies are investing more and more in Israel technology, start ups, medicine and more. the nasty sayers can highlight any number of articles they like, wether they strengthen bds, or promote anti Israel rhetoric they cannot stop the tide of history. Certainly Israel will devote whatever amount is considered healthy and appropriate to fight bds just like we fight any other campaign directed at our demise. For those that crow about how’scared’ Israel is about bds they are not lust to understand wether we fight bds on principle or wether it is just one of dozens of collective threats thrown at us from three far left. Other then copy for MW and dive other hasty in the left leaning msm it hasn’t made a dent in anything but some far left Israelis pride. Phobias here hate bds unless they are on Hamas or PLO payroll. There is that. And other then inconvenience, no business has been destroyed. In fact, I’ve could say Israel is riding a crest of popularity in American culture. On Netflix alone these are there huge hit sensations both in original Hebrew and in American adaptations. Before that there were several other network shows aspired to English speaking audiences from Israel. Now, Ron Howard (be sure to boycott his work) is adapting yet one more Israeli show about medic units into US adaptation.
      . Just think of the PA and Hamas (loud snicker) would free some of their payoff money to fund a flourishing of the arts in west bank? I would think there are many talented Palestinian Arabs who could make serious drama, thrillers, to comic portrayals of life under Israeli overrule. But, that’s never going to happen because Palestinian leadership could give two shits about what it’s people want or need.

      . In fact, one of the biggest misconceptions of both Palestinian supporters and pro-israel supporters abroad is that occupied palestinians are somehow hampered from modernity. The Tamimis like to project the rural village hero as their brand but they are totally hooked up. The majority of Arabs in ramallah , Bethlehem and the dozens of connecting cities and towns are all internet savvy and hooked into the world. When their leadership stops stealing most of their money they may accomplish more great things. And Hamas? When it’s destroyed the gazan arabs may finally feel what freedom is. In the meantime, pw loo likes to dream that “hasbara is dead” (as if there is any difference between Israeli and pro Palestinian hasbara. PW is in one camp and it’s pretty much fringe, but it has grown in significance. I just don’t agree that Israeli PR has lost any overall success other then at times when Hamas stage protests specifically designed to draw the wrath of the left leaning msm. But it always calms down and goes back to status quo. As long as status quo is the optimum situation for all parties then Netanyahu will reign supreme. He is obviously one of the most brilliant minds of his generation (hate him or like him). He outflanked junior varsity Obama on almost all accounts until Barry lost his cool and called him chicken shit.(believe me, it got huge laughs and many snickers inside the cabinet. Bibi is not so weak as to buckle at chicken shit. Bibi is just a product of one of those fuckin families that all seem to overachieve. Naturally he’s a huge target for contempt,) anyway, the best way to get rid of bibi is for palestinians to start negotiating terms of and’end of conflicting something bds never mentions) Bibi is only geared up for status quo. Giving up land will fall to somebody else

      • Misterioso on July 11, 2018, 10:43 am



        Reality: The entity known as “Israel” is rotting within and increasingly viewed around the world and the U.S., including Jews, especially youth, as a pariah.

        NEWSWEEK – 5/10/18
        “Israel celebrates its 70th birthday in May with the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem. Yet the country is grappling with an existential crisis—one that doesn’t involve Iranian nukes or Palestinian protests. Spurred by the high cost of living, low salaries, and political and demographic trends, Israelis are leaving the country in droves, trying to build their lives elsewhere, mostly in the United States. Many of these young Israelis are moving to big cities, and yet, even in these often expensive places, they see more opportunities to advance.”

        “The available data is telling, analysts say. Between 2006 and 2016, more than 87,000 Israelis became U.S. citizens or legalized permanent residents, according to the most recent data from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. That’s up from 66,000 between 1995 and 2005. These figures take into account only those who took the legal route (many Israelis, analysts say, arrive on temporary tourist, student or work visas, then stay). And in addition to the Israelis now living stateside, according to the country’s Ministry of Immigrant Absorption, hundreds of thousands have moved to Europe, Canada and elsewhere.

        “The country’s brain drain isn’t new. For years, many of its most talented scholars and researchers moved to the U.S., where the salaries are far higher and there are more jobs at top-tier universities. One report by Dan Ben-David, an economist at Tel Aviv University, found that the emigration rate of Israeli researchers was the highest in the Western world. Recently, however, the exodus has expanded to include average young people, many of whom say there’s simply no future in Israel.

        “According to government data, 8 percent of Israelis work in high-tech, which pays up to seven times the national average salary of $2,765 a month (before taxes). Israel has one of the highest poverty rates and levels of income inequality in the Western world. Meanwhile, it also has one of the highest costs of living. Tel Aviv ranks ninth among the world’s most expensive cities, higher than New York and Los Angeles; five years ago, it ranked 34th. The situation is so dire that a 2013 survey by the financial newspaper Calcalist (the most recent Israeli study conducted on this topic) found that 87 percent of adults—many with children of their own—depend on substantial financial support from their parents.”

        Jan 19, 2018 – Haaretz
        Opinion: “In Israel, Growing Fascism and a Racism Akin to Early Nazism” by Zeev Sternhell.**
        “I frequently ask myself how a historian in 50 or 100 years will interpret our period. When, he will ask, did people in Israel start to realize that the state that was established in the War of Independence, on the ruins of European Jewry and at the cost of the blood of combatants some of whom were Holocaust survivors, had devolved into a true monstrosity for its non-Jewish inhabitants. When did some Israelis understand that their cruelty and ability to bully others, Palestinians or Africans, began eroding the moral legitimacy of their existence as a sovereign entity?”

        Opinion: “Gaza Border Killings Expose Israel’s True Mentality
        And Bezalel Smotrich, like the cynical face of Avigdor Lieberman, reflects our own face, the face of Netanyahu’s advance guard for the West.”
        Zeev Sternhell Apr 27, 2018 – Haaretz
        ** Zeev Sternhell is a Polish-born Israeli historian, political scientist, commentator on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, and writer. He is one of the world’s leading experts on fascism. Sternhell headed the Department of Political Science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

        The Forward, June 21/17: “Support for Israel on Campus Drops by ‘Devastating’ 27%: Study” –
        “The Brand Israel Group [BIG], a coalition of volunteer advertising and marketing specialists, has released a survey that shows a significant decrease in Israel’s approval rating among Americans.
        “’The future of America no longer believe that Israel shares their values. This is huge! Devastating,’ Fern Oppenheim, a co-founder of BIG, told The Times of Israel. While approval of Israel among American college students dropped 27% between the group’s 2010 and 2016 surveys, Israel’s approval rating among all Americans dropped 14 points, from 76% to 62%.”

        Furthermore, regarding the USA: national/376097/study-israel- losing-support-among- democrats-minorities- millennials/ The Forward July 2, 2017
        ”Study: Israel Losing Support Among Democrats, Minorities, Millennials ‘It appears that the more Americans learn about Israel, the less they like it.’”

        Support for Israel among American Jewish college students and young American Jews in general is in decline:
        Times of Israel, June 21/17: -news/.premium-jewish-agency- chief-warns-young-u-s-jews- more-turned-off-to-israel-1. 5751616
        Haaretz – Jan 22, 2018, by Judy Maltz
        “Young American Jews Increasingly Turning Away From Israel, Jewish Agency Leader Warns”
        “The Jewish Agency’s CEO and director-general called the trend ‘extremely worrisome,’ and said that a new strategy must be undertaken to engage young American Jews with Israel.”'%20style='color:#000;
        The Real News, Jan. 25/18
        “US Bipartisan Support for Israel over Palestinians Is Breaking Down, New Study Shows”
        “The bipartisan consensus of support for Israel over the Palestinians is breaking down in the United States.
        “Why Young Jews and Democrats Are Waving Goodbye to AIPAC”
        “My generation has only known Israel as an occupier. We won’t back anyone who supports that injustice – including the powerful lobby that is AIPAC”
        By Emily Mayer, March 6, 2018 – Haaretz

      • bcg on July 11, 2018, 11:14 am

        @DeBakr: “The Tamimis like to project the rural village hero as their brand but they are totally hooked up. The majority of Arabs in ramallah , Bethlehem and the dozens of connecting cities and towns are all internet savvy and hooked into the world.”

        Just give the natives cell phones and they’ll be perfectly happy to live under someone else’s rule?

    • Talkback on July 11, 2018, 8:33 am

      Nathan: “The outlook of all the articles is meant for the hard-core anti-Israel audience that dreams of the demise of Israel.”

      I think that the hard-core anti-Israel audience dreams about the end ot the Zionist Apartheid regime. But I can understand that you can’t imagine Israel not being an Apartheid state.

    • bcg on July 11, 2018, 11:05 am

      @Nathan: “It would be a breath of fresh air to read an article in Mondoweiss in which appears an outline of some sort of end-of-conflict idea.”

      There’s a ‘conflict’ the same way there was a ‘conflict’ between the Spanish and the indigenous people of Mexico in the 16th and 17th centuries. But there have been proposals from Israel’s own military establishment, basically along the lines of ‘negotiate with Hamas and leave the West Bank alone as much as possible’ – Netanyahu isn’t interested.

    • Citizen on July 11, 2018, 2:49 pm


      Move all the Palestinians to Wyoming, including all in the refugee camps, Israel to pay for transport, housing, food, etc, education, reeducation in new ways of making a living there. For, say a decade or two. OK. now it’s your turn to offer up a plan you think is a reflection of political reality.

  9. Marnie on July 11, 2018, 12:46 am

    “While other writers are considering an idea that cost a Yale chaplain his job during the last slaughter: Israel is fostering anti-Semitism. Tony Klug told J Street that Israel’s actions are putting world Jewry in a “precarious” position, and Sarah Helm of the Guardian and New York Review of Books wrote, “Israel’s own increasingly shocking policies towards Palestinians does more to fuel anti semitism than anything.”

    Long, bloody, tragic story short – it’s the occupation stupid, and always has been!

    The time of humiliating people who want nothing more than to live their lives on their land without fear of molestation, murder and theft is OVER. When ‘israel’ is put (where it belongs) on the same level as authoritarian dictatorships throughout history and all over the world now, something’s up. Even booboo is wondering if the zionist experiment has another generation and a half left in it.

    I wish I could share Phil’s undertones of optimism, but until the embassy in jerusalem is torn down, booboo and sara are wearing matching orange jumpsuits along with the inciters regev, bennett, snake lady and others, lehava is called by all a terrorist organization, as well as the rabbinate and zionism of any stripe is condemned to the same fate as nazism and the settlements are emptied of all their filthy colonial inhabitants, I remain nothing but pessimistic. But these days are dark the world over, the one good thing lately has been the rescue of the football team from the caves in Thailand.

    In the meantime, ‘liberals’, of course repubes and and one particular kippa-wearing ‘pious little shit’ Ben Shapiro, are having the vapors over a comedy sketch by the very talented Michelle Wolf, about abortion rights. Where do women get off thinking they have the right to decide?

  10. Maghlawatan on July 11, 2018, 1:35 am

    Israel has gone from being part of the furniture to a polarising issue. Jewish self determination is all well and good but Zionism is murderous and has simply no idea how to get itself to a state of equilibrium. Violence has been used to gain territory in the past but the unintended consequenches have now paralysed Israel.

    Israel is not sovereign. Foreign support is its lifeblood. It needs guarantees of quick American rearmament in every war. It needs 24/7 diplomatic support. It needs money.
    That all depends on unstinting popular support in the West . And Israel’s nihilistic behaviour in Gaza corrodes this.
    It is all building into a catastrophe .

  11. Maghlawatan on July 11, 2018, 3:16 am

    If hasbara is dead then so is career assassination object because of the inhumanity of Zionism

    “It was very interesting to notice the attitude of the Israelis towards us. They couldn’t comprehend why were doing this. What we were doing challenges their mindset and that is why it is such an effective tactic. They treat the Palestinians as if they are subhuman. They don’t think Palestinians deserve to live in a normal society, to be able to import and export and fish and farm. It’s great to be able to meet that mindset head on.”

    Zionism responds brutally

    “It was a technique which the Zionists were to employ throughout their struggle. The technique of promoting damaging personal attacks on those who stood in their way rather than trying to counter their arguments.”
    “Such non conformists were subtly made aware that their jobs might be at risk, their books unpublishable, their preferment out of the question, their public reputations vulnerable if they did not renounce the heresy of anti Zionism ”
    Publish it not, Mayhew and Adams, 1975
    “Increasingly, Jewish groups inside and outside Israel are using what can be easily interpreted as bullying tactics to silence their opponents. Israeli policies toward Palestinians, Eritrean refugees and non-Jewish immigrants are morally indefensible; the critiques against these policies will be increasingly strident, and among these critiques some will be worthy, some unworthy. Muzzling critiques, even the unworthy ones, cannot be a valid response. In fact, it only proves the main point of the critiques, namely that Israel and the people supporting Israel are increasingly relying on undemocratic politics and tactics.”

     SimoHurtta says:
    December 20, 2012 at 8:05 am

    “A long time Finnish member of Parliament Pertti Salolainen (former journalist, diplomat and leader of the conservative party) got just a “special” anti-Semite treatment. He was asked in the television why USA voted against the lifted Palestinian status in UN. He said that USA has difficulties to take a neutral stand because the Jews are very influential in USA and control much of the money in US politics and the US media. He also said that USA doesn’t dare to make decisions in the matter because of internal reasons and that is the sad truth of US politics in the Israel/Palestine question. This short analysis is basically something to what every Finnish (and European) analyst or politician agree, but not all dare to say in public.
    At once the Simon Wiesenthal center reacted to the matter and demanded through the Finnish ambassador in USA the Finnish government apologize and to kick out Pertti Salolainen from all official positions he has. The local honor chairman of the Jewish congregation Gideon Bolotowsky added fuel to the flames by “joking” in the local yellow press that Salolainen has his data from the Mein Kampf. ”
    “And yet here we have this ad, seen above, and an orchestrated campaign (you think Hiatt didn’t get the memo or didn’t even need to?) to dictate the policy and cabinet picks of the newly elected president. You ask: where do they get the gall? The “Emergency Committee For Israel”, which sponsors the ad, contains in its very name a distillation of the paranoia and fantasy that is undermining a sane foreign policy for the United States, while supporting every suicidal, tribal, fundamentalist tendency in an increasingly isolated and fundamentalist Israel. Politico helpfully reminds us that
    ECI was among the most aggressive conservative voices against Obama during the 2012 presidential campaign.
    So why does he think he can get another scalp from yet another smear? And the answer is, as they say, “in front of one’s nose.” Because he operates on the premise that policy toward Greater Israel is not something that a president should have any serious control over. Policy in that respect is set in Congress aided and abetted by AIPAC and batshit crazy Christianist Zionists. Like the NRA, this lethal lobby will destroy any politician it can who stands in its way. It will also try to destroy the careers and reputations of any who criticize it. ”
    Last April, students at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton, FL, interrupted, corrected, then walked out on an Israeli colonel who came to speak about the Cast Lead onslaught as a good thing. They held up a sign saying War Criminal. They were investigated for months and to escape worse punishment accepted assignment to what they describe as “reeducation” under a curriculum crafted by the Anti-Defamation League, a rabid Zionist organization. The students say the university “buckled” to Zionist organizations’ pressure.

     Blake says:
    September 21, 2012 at 6:27 am

    Paraphrasing Charles Freeman:” The tactics of the Israel Lobby [Zionist shills/ propagandists notwithstanding] plumb the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotations, the wilful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth!”
    1. Former US Senator from South Dakota James Abourezk in 2006:
    ” I can also tell you that very few members of Congress—at least when I served there—have any affection for Israel or for its Lobby. What they have is contempt, but it is silenced by fear of being found out exactly how they feel. I’ve heard too many cloakroom conversations in which members of the Senate will voice their bitter feelings about how they’re pushed around by the Lobby to think otherwise. In private one hears the dislike of Israel and the tactics of the Lobby, but not one of them is willing to risk the Lobby’s animosity by making their feelings public.”

    And Israel is so wonderful

    • JWalters on July 11, 2018, 7:12 pm

      Thanks for this great post, an article in itself.

      “I can also tell you that very few members of Congress—at least when I served there—have any affection for Israel or for its Lobby. What they have is contempt, but it is silenced by fear of being found out exactly how they feel.”

      On the one hand this is a disheartening picture of the U.S. Congress. On the other hand, it is a revolution ripe for exploding. It tells me the grass roots need to keep hammering, hammering, hammering.

  12. jon s on July 11, 2018, 5:13 am

    Actually, it’s been noted that this year, in comparison with 2014, there have been few expressions of sympathy with Hamas. Not in the Arab world , not even in the WB. In Gaza itself they’re having a hard time getting people to show up at the fence, despite the financial incentives. It’s as if Hamas’ cynical use of their own people and squandeing of their resources is pretty much self-evident by now.

    • DaBakr on July 11, 2018, 8:29 am

      . It’s hard to believe that Palestinian Arabs could ever be that dumb that they don’t understand Hamas (and PA/PLO) is using them as pawns. The problem is they have very little choice in what they could do about it. Mass uprising? While Israel would support it most Arabs would be loath to have Israel as an ally even if it was to gain political freedom. There is no military force in the world that will come to rescue them and fight Israel. Maybe the’new old’ plan to build a port in Cyprus will help but only so much.
      . In the mean time, I would say Palestinian Arabs in west bank and Gaza are some of the most cynical people in the world and not because of Israel

      • Marnie on July 11, 2018, 10:51 am

        “While Israel would support it most Arabs would be loath to have Israel as an ally even if it was to gain political freedom.”

        It was hard to choose but to me this is the funniest line of your entire post, which was in toto was pretty damn funny.

        If most Arabs would be in fact loathe to have israel as an ally it would have to be because the israeli’s can’t be trusted any farther than one could be thrown, such as that delicate little flower with that eurovision winning chicken song, for example.

      • Misterioso on July 11, 2018, 11:00 am



        By signing the 1993 Oslo Accords, the PLO accepted UNSC Res. 242 and thereby agreed to recognize a sovereign Israel within the 1949 armistice lines, i.e., as of 4 June 1967 – 78% of mandated Palestine.

        The PLO also agreed to the US/EU/UN supported 2002 Arab League Beirut Summit Peace Initiative, which offers Israel full recognition as a sovereign state (per UNSC Res. 242, i.e., within its June 4/67 boundaries with possible minor, equal and mutually agreed land swaps), exchange of ambassadors, trade, tourism, etc., if Israel complies with international law (e.g., the UN Charter, The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Fourth Geneva Convention and the Rome Statute.) Fully aware of Israel’s demographic concerns, the Beirut initiative does not demand the return of all Palestinian refugees. In accordance with Israel’s pledge given to the UNGA in 1949 and by signing the 1949 Lausanne Peace Conference Protocol to abide by UNGA Res. 194 regarding the then 800,000 Palestinian refugees (as determined by Walter Walter Eytan, then Director General of the Israeli Foreign Ministry) as a precondition for admittance to the UN (after being rejected twice), the Arab League’s Initiative “calls upon Israel to affirm” that it agrees to help pursue the “achievement of a just solution to the Palestinian refugee problem…” The entity known as “Israel” ignored the Arab League’s peace proposal.

        For the record, other peace initiatives that Israeli governments have rebuffed include: U.S. Secretary of State William Rogers’ The Rogers Plan (1969); The Scranton Mission on behalf of President Nixon (1970); Egyptian President Sadat’s land for peace and mutual recognition proposal (1971); U.S. President Jimmy Carter’s call for a Geneva international conference (1977); Saudi Arabian King Fahd’s peace offer (1981); U.S. President Ronald Reagan’s Reagan Plan (1982); U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz’s Schultz Plan (1988); U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s Baker Plan (1989); and the previously noted 1993 Oslo accords signed by Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin that unravelled following the latter’s assassination and subsequent return to power of the Likud party from 1996-1999 under Benjamin Netanyahu; continuation of the Taba II negotiations (2001); the unofficial Geneva Peace Initiative of November/December 2003; and the 2014 Kerry Initiative.

        As for the much touted 2000 Camp David Summit, working in tandem, Barak and Clinton tried to shove a very bad deal down Arafat’s throat. It could only be rejected. Suffice to quote Shlomo Ben-Ami, then Israel’s foreign minister and lead negotiator at Camp David: “Camp David was not the missed opportunity for the Palestinians, and if I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David, as well.” (National Public Radio, 14 February 2006.)

        The “offer” made in 2008 by then Israeli PM Ehud Olmert was never seen as serious because it lacked cabinet approval, he was under indictment with only a few weeks left in office, had a 6% favorable rating, and, therefore, couldn’t have closed the deal, even if the Palestinians had accepted it. (Olmert was imprisoned.)

        Unfortunately, Israel’s response to every peace overture from the Palestinians and Arab states, has been an escalation of illegal settlement construction, dispossession and oppression in occupied Palestine and other Arab lands.

        Regarding Hamas:
        On 16 June 2009, after meeting with former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Ismail Haniya, prime minister of Hamas’s Gaza Strip government, announced that “If there is a real plan to resolve the Palestinian question on the basis of the creation of a Palestinian state within the borders of June 4, 1967 [i.e. 22% of historic Palestine] and with full sovereignty, we are in favour of it.”…
        “‘We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees,’ Haniyeh said, referring to the year of Middle East war in which Israel captured East Jerusalem and the Palestinian territories. ” (Haaretz, December 1, 2010)

        In its revised Charter, April, 2017, Hamas again agreed to a Palestinian state based on the 4 June 1967 borders. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, Israel promptly rejected the Hamas overture instead of using it to open a dialogue.
        “Senior Hamas Official: ‘I Think We Can All Live Here in This Land – Muslims, Christians and Jews.’” By Nir Gontarz. March 28, 2018, Haaretz.

        As for Netanyahu and the Likud party, here’s a brief summation of their positions that are contrary to international law and explain why the conflict continues:
        The Likud Party Platform:
        a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
        b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
        c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
        d. “…. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

      • Hemlockroid on July 11, 2018, 11:57 am

        The whole article de-isolates Palestinians of the notion Israel is a bloody mess. Then in the comments, youre right back isolating the Palestinians. Let’s try it this way, the notion Israel is a failure is universal.

      • Jethro on July 11, 2018, 8:48 pm


        Don’t forget that Israel also rejected the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative. That one really must have hit the target because Israel barely said a word about it.

    • JimMichie on July 11, 2018, 8:50 am

      Oh please, jon s: is your transparency showing? Anyone who knows the fundamental history of the brutal, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, land stealing, fascist, terrorist Zionist regime in Palestine refuses to accept your claim, the repetitive accusation of Zionists, that Hamas is to blame for it all. It was the Zionist regime itself in Palestine that created Hamas as it subverted and caused a split in Fatah to create Hamas. So, please, jon s, give your hasbara a rest. Thank you.

    • Marnie on July 11, 2018, 8:50 am

      You’re confusing Hamas with Likud.

    • Citizen on July 11, 2018, 3:33 pm

      @ jon s

      The Gaza fence protest is a grass roots movement evolved from despair, a plea to the world–HAMAS originally had 0 to do with it, and it remains on-going regardless of HAMAS.

    • Maghlawatan on July 13, 2018, 4:35 am

      What’s the Hebrew for magical thinking, Jon?

      Gaza and the West Bank 1 Israel 0

  13. Tuyzentfloot on July 11, 2018, 6:03 am

    The ADL is working with all the major online media (Google, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter etc) to suppress, derank, demonetize , discredit and reduce visibility of content they disapprove of. They are working on AI to scale it up and offer it to others.(see )
    Hasbara isn’t dead. It transmogrified into the War on Fake News.

    • DaBakr on July 11, 2018, 8:30 am


      Says the tiny insect to the large spider. AI and MW. Considerable but in the large scheme of things…… Really?

      • Misterioso on July 11, 2018, 11:15 am


        Dream on. The entity known as “Israel” is headed for history’s dumpster. There are many reasons why, including, its utter dependence on the U.S. and not enough Jewish babies between the River and the Sea.

        Henry Morgenthau Sr., renowned Jewish American and former U.S. Ambassador to Turkey, nailed it in 1919: “Zionism is the most stupendous fallacy in Jewish history….The very fervour of my feeling for the oppressed of every race and every land, especially for the Jews, those of my own blood and faith, to whom I am bound by every tender tie, impels me to fight with all the greater force against this scheme, which my intelligence tells me can only lead them deeper into the mire of the past, while it professes to be leading them to the heights. Zionism is… a retrogression into the blackest error, and not progress toward the light.” (Quoted by Frank Epp, Whose Land is Palestine?, p. 261)

        As did Sigmund Freud in 1930: Asked to sign a petition supporting settlement of Jews in Palestine, Sigmund Freud declined: “I cannot…I do not think that Palestine could ever become a Jewish state….It would have seemed more sensible to me to establish a Jewish homeland on a less historically-burdened land….I can raise no sympathy at all for the misdirected piety which transforms a piece of a Herodian wall into a national relic, thereby offending the feelings of the natives.” (Letter to Dr. Chaim Koffler Keren HaYassod, Vienna: 2/26/30)

        And Lessing J. Rosenwald, president of the American Council for Judaism, in 1944: “The concept of a racial state – the Hitlerian concept- is repugnant to the civilized world, as witness the fearful global war in which we are involved. . . , I urge that we do nothing to set us back on the road to the past. To project at this time the creation of a Jewish state or commonwealth is to launch a singular innovation in world affairs which might well have incalculable consequences.”

      • bcg on July 11, 2018, 12:54 pm

        @Debakr: Once again we confront the greatest scientific mystery since the discovery of black holes: if you’re completely certain about the future why are you debating this stuff?

        Unlike you, DeBakr, I don’t know the future – it’s possible the Occupation could go on for a long time, I think it’s even possible that Israel will succeed in simply driving all the Palestinians out – if I was certain how things would play out it wouldn’t make sense for me to participate in discussions, now would it?

    • Tuyzentfloot on July 11, 2018, 4:27 pm

      To clarify, I believe the War on Fake News is important. Fake news is a pretext to implement a range of censoring mechanisms which will try to minimize the online footprint of undesirable content and a whole range of organisations of variable legitimacy get to decide about that. It’s an ambitious project and the opposition against it is frighteningly small. The ADL has jumped on that bandwagon and on the new market.
      Targets include hate speech(any vocal objection to injustice) , incitement (same as previous, also any form of activism) russian trolls (just about anything , but certainly foreign policy and russiagate) racism/antisemitism(anything which is not nice enough about Israel), conspiracy theorists (any display of distrust in the powers that be), fake news(anything contradicting the mainstream narrative) terrorism(more aggressive activism)
      I expect mechanisms to work at multiple levels
      – litigation: making it legally risky to say stuff.
      – censorship: removal and blocking of posting certain content, banning of online users.
      – demonetizing: google ads becoming more strict and repressive. Paypal, gofundme and other systems for small online transactions have introduced new rules that their mechanism cannot be used for ‘the wrong things’.
      – reducing visibility: downgrading in all possible rankings, from google search to twitter listings so the content can still be found in principle but is much less likely to be found
      – discouraging publishing, viewing and sharing through ‘karma’ mechanisms where content and publishers get a weight and proximity (visiting,linking, forwarding) affects your online presence/popularity and to a lesser extent those you are linked to.

      AI simply means ‘better automation’ so you can track more content, and the mechanisms don’t have to be very good.

      A positive side effect may be that flat earth theories will be accompanied with a warning. I wouldn’t bet on creationists though. Obviously the system is not perfect and it will correct for reported mistakes.

      • JWalters on July 11, 2018, 7:15 pm

        Good analysis.

    • Maghlawatan on July 13, 2018, 4:36 am

      They don’t have enough people.

  14. Hemlockroid on July 11, 2018, 11:59 am

    Zionism failed when it didn’t give relief to Jews from living behind walls.

  15. Citizen on July 11, 2018, 3:30 pm

    To me it looks like Trump’s new world order, with US/Israel/Gulf States willing a fight with Iran, will bring the next World War, and it’s being prepared by the named governments who think it won’t come to that. Palestinians are not even in the big picture, except, of course, they remain in Israel’s secret part of it to be completely dispossessed.

  16. lenny on July 12, 2018, 3:56 am

    The gaza return project 2018 as opposed to the gaza flotilla project 2016 sees the killing season start off with a bang as negotiations continue at the state level.the usual military extortion rackets are in play and israel is sending a space thing to the moon.

    So yes hasbara is dead.

    In other news lindsay graham warned israel about making a deal with russia

    So yes hasbara is simply is not relevant anymore and has been replaced by “fake news” and we all know what that did to the clinton campaign.

  17. Maghlawatan on July 13, 2018, 4:13 am

    Check out the video

    Israel’s defence minister has called on his country to close its embassy in Dublin in response to the Seanad backing a Bill banning the import of goods from West Bank Jewish settlements.

  18. jon s on July 16, 2018, 10:35 am

    Hamas turned it on, Hamas can turn it off.

    • amigo on July 16, 2018, 11:20 am

      “Hamas turned it on, Hamas can turn it off.”jon s

      BS jon s.

      Zionist Hasbara was around long before Israel created Hamas.

      BTW , what hasbara can you offer to justify the following.


      Outrageous , eh jon.100 days Community (Jewish no doubt )service and a whopping 2000 sheckel fine.

      What the hell is the only democracy in the ME coming to.He was not a Jew and wasn,t even White.

      • eljay on July 16, 2018, 12:48 pm

        || amigo: … “ … ||

        Mr. Muial committed evil when he deliberately and “forcefully dropped a bench” on a shot, beaten and incapacitated person. The regret he feels can only be for his actions having been caught on tape; the pain, for being held (mildly) accountable.

      • jon s on July 16, 2018, 1:50 pm

        Amigo, yes, it strikes me as being disgraceful, I would have expected jail time.
        Community service does not mean Jewish. It could be, say, in a hospital or with special need kids.

      • Mooser on July 16, 2018, 2:33 pm

        “Amigo, yes, it strikes me as being disgraceful, I would have expected jail time.” “Jon s”

        Gee, “Jon s”, isn’t it nice that you’ve got one place you can go to and say that kind of thing.

  19. amigo on July 16, 2018, 3:22 pm

    “Community service does not mean Jewish. It could be, say, in a hospital or with special need kids.”jon s

    Geez , I hope it does. Given this guys record and the slap on the wrist ,sending him into Non Jewish “areas ” would be tantamount to giving him a licence to murder again.

    Jon S , you had best get out soon, this stuff seems to be normal to you.

  20. amigo on July 16, 2018, 3:42 pm

    “Amigo, yes, it strikes me as being disgraceful, I would have expected jail time.” jon s

    So , what would be suitable.

    Azaria got 9 months (with time off for good (ha ha ha ha ) behaviour.So maybe the authorities could stretch it to 12 months and take the political blowback.

    One has to make allowances for the nascent state of Israel.It does not have a long history of imprisoning it,s Jewish citizens.

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