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Tlaib and Omar’s support for BDS is now a lightning rod for Republicans

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Two first-term congresswomen’s support for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) is shaking up the House. Yesterday, Republicans issued statements condemning Reps. Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar for their endorsement of the non-violent campaign for human rights in Palestine. Their statements sound a lot like the hysteria about BDS from Israel’s leadership.

First, Rep. Brian Babin of Texas wrote to committee chairs yesterday urging them not to fund a congressional delegation to Palestine led by Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Detroit because her support for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions is “inconsistent with our national values” and the trip would undermine the special relationship between Israel and the U.S. Babin:

I am writing to express my extreme concern that a newly elected Member of Congress, Rep. Rashida Tlaib, has plans to lead a taxpayer-funded Congressional delegation (CODEL) to Palestine. This action, from an outspoken supporter of the “BDS” Israeli boycott movement and whose personal vitriol led her to publicly brag about calling our President a “mother****er” to her young son, is both ill-conceived and inconsistent with our national values.

The “mere prospect of a CODEL like this threatens” the special relationship between Israel and the U.S., Babin, a 70-year-old dentist whose district includes Houston’s eastern suburbs, said in a statement. 

To signal to our most threatened ally in the region that the United States Congress sanctions an official trip to visit Israel’s nemesis would be an exceedingly dangerous path forward.

Notwithstanding the potential damage to the U.S.-Israel relationship, it seems to be a gross misappropriation of taxpayer dollars to contribute to, however indirectly, a belligerent group and its affiliates that directly oppose the interests of the United States.

Tlaib, a newly-elected Palestinian-American congresswoman from Detroit, told Alex Kane and Lee Fang in December that she will lead a delegation to Palestine at the same time as the AIPAC-sponsored trip to Israel that drags hundreds of congresspeople to one side of the conflict. Those trips typically take place in the summer and are led by the American Israel Education Foundation, an AIPAC spinoff. Tlaib said:

“I want us to see that segregation and how that has really harmed us being able to achieve real peace in that region,” Tlaib told The Intercept. “I don’t think AIPAC provides a real, fair lens into this issue. It’s one-sided. … [They] have these lavish trips to Israel, but they don’t show the side that I know is real, which is what’s happening to my grandmother and what’s happening to my family there.”

In a related move, Republicans are criticizing the Democratic leadership of the Congress for giving Ilhan Omar of Minneapolis a seat on the Foreign Affairs Committee, because she is also a supporter of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, or BDS. Rep. Lee Zeldin:

Instead of the Dems supporting Israel & combatting BDS & anti-Semitism on college campuses & elsewhere, they’re now empowering it.

Ted Deutch, a Florida Democratic congressman, stood up for Omar’s presence on the Foreign Affairs committee. While IfNotNow, the young leftwing Jewish group, hailed the appointment as a sign of things to come.

This is huge news. Having an anti-Occupation voice like ‘s on the House Foreign Affairs Committee will be a welcome change. And it’s further proof that the days of the Democrats’ support-Israel-at-all-costs stance are numbered.

(Though IfNotNow does not have a position on BDS, Omar and Tlaib’s leadership will surely put pressure on the group to support BDS.)

Omar describes her appointment as anti-war nod, and referenced her Somali background.

As someone who has seen firsthand the havoc wreaked by war, I am proud to serve on the committee that is responsible for overseeing our country’s—and this President’s—actions abroad.

This couldn’t come at a more critical time. We need to use the committee’s human rights jurisdiction to hold the President accountable for deaths in detention centers on his watch.

We need to investigate how foreign governments and their lobbyists have violated our laws. And we need to rein in arms sales to human rights abusers like Saudi Arabia. We have our work cutout for us

Dave Weigel avers that Omar’s support for BDS makes the appointment “a big deal that will draw plenty of negative attention.” The Jewish press is characterizing Omar as anti-Israel; and the Republican Jewish Coalition is making hay off the appointment.

“This really cuts against Democrats claiming that she and [Michigan Rep. Rashida] Tlaib are just freshmen, and don’t have any real power in the party. Democratic leadership just chose to put an anti-Semite on the all-important committee rather than take a stand against her abhorrent views,” RJC spokesperson Neil Strauss told JNS. “It is despicable that Democrats are so afraid to upset their far-left base that they no longer are willing to oppose anti-Semitism.”

By the way, Rep. Babin’s statement cited the impact of Tlaib’s trip on Jewish Americans!

Please consider the damage that a yet unexperienced and overly caustic Member of Congress may cause to Israeli relations, or the perceptions of our own Jewish-American citizens.

Republicans must feel that Jewish voters/donors will be in play in the next election cycle.

And Birthright now has company in the Republican Congress. Birthright is the free propaganda trip offered to young American Jews and sponsored by leading American Jewish organizations. It excludes Palestinian voices, and Palestinian destinations outside occupied east Jerusalem. It is funded by among others Haim Saban, a megadonor of the Democratic Party, and Sheldon Adelson, megadonor of the Republicans.

Jeremy Ben-Ami of the liberal Zionist group J Street issued a strong statement in the Forward yesterday (and in email today) decrying the negative obsession with BDS. J Street of course opposes BDS (and doesn’t like anti-BDS legislation because it also target limited boycotts of the settlements, which J Street does not oppose), but he sees the political damage of the focus on BDS by Jewish groups:

[W]e also believe that the exaggerated, overwrought response to BDS from Jewish communal leaders and elected officials is doing far more damage to American Jews and to Israel’s reputation than BDS itself could ever hope to do.

This obsession is harming Jewish institutions and eroding important relationships with other communities, particularly communities of color. It is undermining our core values and distracting from far more important challenges — both in Israel and at home. It is creating an atmosphere of paranoia and censorship.

 

 

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  1. echinococcus
    echinococcus
    January 18, 2019, 1:43 pm

    Anyone reading the above would be justified in believing that opposition to the boycott movement and to Palestinian resistance more generally is coming exclusively from the Republican party, while the Democrat Party, the one we have known all our lives as the most ferocious administrator of US imperialism and main sponsor/accessory of Zionist crimes, is jake with it; there has been no opposition from the Democrats. In fact, judging by the only two Democrat members mentioned at all in the text, the Democratic Party might be the Palestinian Liberation Party itself.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 18, 2019, 7:58 pm

      Shorter “Jeremy Ben-Ami”: ‘It’s sure getting hard to play both sides of the street these days.’

    • Cratylus
      Cratylus
      January 21, 2019, 1:18 am

      You are right on the money. In the recent vote in the House of Representatives which is directed against BDS, there was only ONE vote to oppose the bill. That vote was by Justin Amash, a Republican, a libertarian and the first Palestinian American (father Palestinian, mother Syrian) to be elected to US Congress. In that vote there were some Reps not voting, among them Tulsi Gabbard.
      So you are right about this article being biased in favor of Dems. In fact in the MSM Amash is rarely mentioned and he gets lots of grief from AIPAC et al. (Could those two things possibly be connected?)

  2. JWalters
    JWalters
    January 18, 2019, 8:20 pm

    I sincerely hope these developments are beginning the total collapse of Israel’s wall of lies and money which has been imprisoning the American people. Let the facts ring out! Let the American public finally know the truth about the utterly immoral barbarity masquerading behind a facade of religion.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      January 19, 2019, 9:03 am

      @JWalters, et al

      https://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/anti-bds-bill-israel-terrain-shifting-unfavourably-357600472

      “Anti-BDS bill: For Israel, the terrain is shifting unfavourably” #BDS – Middle East Eye, Jan. 15/19 by Ben White

      “A battle over efforts to suppress the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign has become headlines news in the United States, in the context of an ongoing federal government shutdown.

      “Last Thursday, the Senate failed for a second time to advance a bill that includes ‘The Combating BDS Act’ legislation giving cover to states that penalise businesses and individuals who participate in boycotts against Israel and Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territory.

      “The main obstacles:
      “While the Democrats have refused to back any legislation before the federal shutdown is resolved, a third attempt to advance the anti-BDS legislation is expected. Democrat Senator Bob Menendez has said that the bill ‘will come back and it will have very strong bipartisan support.”

      “Despite opposition, the anti-BDS bill may, ultimately, become law. But those pro-Israel advocacy groups, such as AIPAC, pushing such initiatives have faced – and will continue to face – three significant obstacles in their efforts to make an exception of Palestine and Palestinian human rights.

      “First is the cultural and constitutional commitment to freedom of speech in the United States. Such is the strength of this commitment that even some passionate opponents of BDS are vocally opposed to the criminalisation of the boycott campaign.

      “A significant element of the opposition to the bill has come via the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), with the veteran organisation denouncing what it has called ‘a measure intended to suppress protected political expression.’

      “While the ACLU has repeatedly stated that it takes ‘no position on Israel boycotts, the BDS movement or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,’ the organisation has maintained that ‘states should not be sanctioning businesses on the basis of First Amendment-protected expression and association.’

      “Palestinian activism:
      “When bill sponsor, Senator Marco Rubio, defended the initiative by rejecting claims it was about free speech, this merely invited a public dressing down on his understanding of the constitution. A second obstacle for those seeking to criminalise BDS is the fact that boycott has a long tradition and history in the US as a form of popular protest and civil society mobilisation.

      “As the ACLU wrote: ‘Political boycotts, including boycotts of foreign countries, have played a pivotal role in this nation’s history – from the boycotts of British goods during the American Revolution to the Montgomery Bus Boycott to the campaign to divest from apartheid South Africa.’

      “Amjad Iraqi, writing in London Review of Books last July, cited an even wider tradition that includes ‘the Swadeshi movement’s boycott of British goods in India,’ ‘the economic boycott of Nazi Germany’ by European and American Jewish organisations in the 1930s, and the Delano Grape Strike in California in the 1960s.’

      “Iraqi correctly noted how “Israel insists that the Palestinian cause can’t be included in the venerable history of boycotts.’ This means that Israel and pro-Israel advocacy groups have to argue that BDS is ‘different’ – a task made harder by a third obstacle to the anti-BDS crackdown: Palestinian activism.

      “In targeting BDS, pro-Israel groups have to make the case that Palestinians are not worthy of the same human rights as other peoples, and in parallel, that Israel should not be held to the same standards that other countries are, including those subjected to sanctions by Congress.

      “Dehumanising Palestinians used to be easier – and it is still all too common – but decades of deeply rooted, civil society activism by Palestinian Americans and their allies is bearing fruit, with support for Palestinians increasingly expressed in the mainstream spaces of media, culture and politics.

      “Shifting terrain:
      “As I describe in my book, Cracks in the Wall: Beyond Apartheid in Palestine/Israel, one manifestation of these changes is the polarisation between Republican and Democrat voters over Israel and the Palestinians, with liberals and progressives being increasingly alienated from Israel.

      “These changes are no longer restricted to the grassroots. As The New York Times reported ahead of the Congressional mid-terms, newly elected representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib have all ‘dared to breach what has been an almost inviolable orthodoxy in both political parties,’ namely ‘strong support for Israel.’

      “’Running on platforms that emphasize opposing discrimination against marginalized groups,’ the paper added, ‘candidates have introduced the Palestinian issue as what they call a larger commitment to social justice.’

      “Writing in Israeli newspaper Haaretz last week, correspondent Amir Tibon highlighted a ‘challenge’ facing ‘Israeli diplomats and groups like AIPAC’ in ‘the current political environment’ – ‘the growing ‘progressive wing’ within the Democratic Party which is very critical of Israel, and now includes two members of the House of Representatives who openly endorse BDS.’

      “This is not to deny the very considerable energies being put into fighting the BDS movement at both state and federal level – not to mention the repression and censorship experienced by students and faculty at universities. And, to reiterate, this latest legislative effort may even ultimately be passed.

      “But the obstacles faced by those leading the legislative fight against BDS in the US are evidence that for Israel, long used to getting its own way, the terrain is shifting unfavourably.

      _______________________________________________________________________________

      Ben White is the author of Israeli Apartheid: A Beginner’s Guide and Palestinians in Israel: Segregation, Discrimination and Democracy. He is a writer for Middle East Monitor and his articles have been published by Al Jazeera, al-Araby, Huffington Post, the Electronic Intifada, the Guardian’s Comment is Free, and more.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        January 19, 2019, 11:26 am

        “Democrat Senator Bob Menendez has said that the bill ‘will come back and it will have very strong bipartisan support.”

        Translation:
        ‘We’re getting a whole bunch more big money coming in, folks. Enough for everyone who votes our way.”

        It ain’t bribery, folks. It’s just business…which means in New Speak…it doesn’t take away any Morality Points.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        January 19, 2019, 4:07 pm

        @CigarGod

        As far as I know, the Constitution’s First Amendment is still in effect.

      • JWalters
        JWalters
        January 20, 2019, 5:26 pm

        Misterioso, I always appreciate your wealth of relevant details. They add real weight to the case.

  3. Elizabeth Block
    Elizabeth Block
    January 19, 2019, 9:42 am

    Well, yes, such a CODEL would indeed endanger the special relationship of the US and Israel – and high time.
    As for the US and Israel sharing the same values … it’s true. I wish it weren’t.

  4. annie
    annie
    January 19, 2019, 2:23 pm

    politico picked up some awesome quotes about this https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/17/gop-rashida-tlaib-palestine-1108723

    Babin, who began hand-delivering the letter to offices on Thursday, argues that a trip to “Israel’s nemesis” would “undo years of goodwill built by the foreign policy and Israeli-American communities.

    and this:

    Babin said in an interview. “This is not meant as an adversarial, partisan shot. … I just think this is a slap in the face to many, many decades of foreign policy that we’ve established with Israel and to Jewish Americans.”

    BWAHHHH.. it will undo decades of aipac freshman trips during their august recess! decades of pandering to israel will be wiped away!

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      January 19, 2019, 4:12 pm

      More grist for the mill:

      https://www.juancole.com/2019/01/1234567.html

      “GOP Rep. Seeks to Block Tlaib Palestine Congressional Delegation”
      By Juan Cole, Informed Comment, Jan. 19/19

      “The newly elected Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, who represents Michigan’s 13th District, is seeking to take a delegation of congressional representatives to the Palestinian West Bank, which is militarily occupied by Israel and where some 600,000 Israeli squatters have usurped Palestinian land belonging to the nearly 3 million Palestinians living there (another nearly 2 million live in the Gaza Strip).

      “Tlaib represents not only part of Detroit but Dearborn Heights and among her constituents are many Arab-Americans who strongly support Palestine and resent Israel’s colonization project of stealing their land and resources and ultimately hoping to displace them and make them refugees anew.

      “Ordinarily, the wealthy and powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee (which ought to have to register as a foreign agent but doesn’t because it is so wealthy and powerful) pays for a trip of these Federal representatives to Israel, where they are introduced to Israeli politicians and given the Israeli story about the Palestinians. This is like visiting Columbia, South Carolina in the 1950s and asking the white state legislators there why Black South Carolinians are so poor and have such bad education and health statistics.

      “As a result of such successful boondoggles and lobbying, the US is now giving $23,000 to each Israeli family over the next 10 years, $38 billion in total, at a time when Federal employees are not being paid at all and are losing their mortgages and people in Flint, Michigan, are still expected to drink lead-poisoned water. Israel is a wealthy country with a per capita income of $40,000 a year in nominal terms, slightly better than that of France. The only reason that the American public is forking over that kind of cash to the Israelis is that the Israel lobbies have given significant campaign contributions to many in Congress and expect them to put massive aid to Israel into the US budget as a quid pro quo.

      “Brian Babin, a congressman from Texas’s 36th district, is seeking to block Tlaib’s trip and that of her colleagues by attempting to get the Democratic leadership on the Hill to pull the money for it. Stopping powerful women from traveling to crucial security zones, as Trump stopped Pelosi from going to Afghanistan, seems to be a new plank of the Republican Party platform.

      “Babin got nearly $6,000 for his 2016 campaign from pro-Israel ‘industries,’ according to this database, though such things are hard to measure because wealthy individuals may also be giving and then pressuring him. By the way, although $6,000 may not sound like much money, actually contributions on that scale are extremely influential sometimes in tight races. You wouldn’t want the lobbyists to give it to your opponent– that would be like losing $12,000 to pay for radio and tv and internet ads.

      “Babin has through his congressional career voted for positions similar to those of Trump 95% of the time. He may as well be Trump. He voted to remove sanctions from three Russian companies run by oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin. He supported Trump in calling Hillary Clinton a ‘nasty woman.’ He opposes the US refugee program, which is part of our country’s treaty obligations, on the grounds that once admitted, refugees accept entitlements and become a public charge, and that if Muslim refugees are let in they will engage in terrorism and oppress women. of the 750,000 refugees admitted in the past 17 years, none has carried out a physical terrorist attack on US soil. As for oppressing women, he is the one who thinks they are ‘nasty.’

      “It is worth attending to Babin’s rhetoric. He complains that Tlaib’s planned trip will be ‘tax-payer funded.’ But then so is Trump’s travel to what are essentially campaign rallies around the country. And that $38 billion Babin voted to give away to Israel is also taxpayer money, and it is hard to argue that he is working for the taxpayer.

      “Then Babin worries that for a congressional delegation to go to the Palestinian West Bank will harm relations between the United States as Israel. It is hard to see the logic here. US congressional delegations have routinely gone to the West Bank in the past and it hasn’t hurt US-Israeli relations at all, which are so warm that we are giving them $38 billion even after the visits to the West Bank.

      “The West Bank is under Israeli military occupation, so it is hard to see how visiting it is an affront to Israel. The junior partner in the Israeli occupation is the Palestine Liberation Organization, the constituent parties of which dominate the Palestine Authority. The Palestine Authority was created as part of the Oslo Peace accords and it recognized Israel in return for a pledge from Tel Aviv that Israel would withdraw from the Palestinian West Bank by 1998. Israel pocketed the PLO recognition and declined to withdraw and then flooded hundreds of thousands of Israel squatters into Palestine, taking land, water and other resources away from the Palestinians with whom the Israeli government had concluded the Oslo Accords.

      “Nor is the Palestine Authority or just ‘Palestine’ Israel’s ‘adversary.’ It is a partner in a long-stalled peace process. Israeli authorities routinely cooperate on security with Palestine police and politicians.

      “Babin’s discourse imagines the Palestinian West Bank to be an independent country that is an ‘adversary’ of Israel, instead of being an occupied territory of Israel itself, which gets security help from a PLO that was fooled into recognizing its occupier.

      “What Babin’s odd allegations hide is that he wants the Israeli narrative on Palestine to be the only narrative to which the Congress is exposed, and he wants to prevent the representatives from seeing the horror of the occupation with their own eyes. The 215,452 Palestinians in al-Khalil (Hebron) are terrorized by the some 800 Israeli squatters who have gradually usurped property in the city and who have attacked and menaced local Palestinians backed up by the full might of the Israeli army, which invades Palestinian homes at will.

      “Ironically, it is not clear that the Israeli authorities will let Tlaib into the West Bank. She practices Boycott, Sanctions and Divestment (BDS) with regard to Israel, and the far right wing Likud government has been attempting to exclude people from entering Israel if they hold that position. Since Israel illegally occupies the West Bank, you can’t visit Palestine without going through Israel and the Israeli authorities. You might say that Netanyahu wouldn’t dare deport a sitting congresswoman. We’ll see.”

      Bonus video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gEf6KY3usk&feature=youtu.be
      “Palestinians proud of the first Palestinian-American congresswoman Tlaib”

  5. Vera Gottlieb
    Vera Gottlieb
    January 20, 2019, 11:54 am

    My recollection is not quite clear but…some years ago wasn’t it Georgia Congress Woman Barbara Jordan who lost re-election on account of the Jewish lobby going against her? These two newly elected women might want to start covering their backs. Not exactly proud of my Jewish background.

  6. aze
    aze
    January 20, 2019, 1:53 pm

    Hi there. Guess I should apologize for butting in uninvited, but I just came across this site somewhat accidentally today and, having read a handful of pieces, thought I’d spend a few minutes registering to ask a simple question, which – think of it! – might actually not led to a torrent of abuse.

    Ok. So, from my one brief visit here so far, it would seem this site is very much an anti-Zionist pro BDS haven, not to say a mutual appreciation society on such matters.
    Fair enough. Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel is, I guess, a legitimate excercise, not unlike hating Cuba, China or, say, Hungary, Iran or Russia. Not being all that “au fait” with Middle-East politics, though, what I am somewhat confused about is the proposition known here (and elsewhere) as BDS, because, looking at Israel’s position or side of the argument, there appears to exist an existentialist dimension to what is being proposed.
    It seems most folks here happily and fully embrace and promote boycotting , divesting and sanctioning Israel, the goal being – under the banner of protecting the Palestinian people human rights and championing their Right of Return – to in effect have the Israeli government and its people surrender their current country to the Palestinian people. From the river to sea, as the slogan says.
    It’s an interesting notion, especially when combined with the idea that the people supporting this BDS exercise present themselves as human right advocates, rather than mere old-fashioned anti-Semites. Which brings me to my question. If it is to be Palestine from the river to the sea, what is to be done – humanely – with the 6 or so million Israeli Jews currently living on that land: push them into the sea?
    Thanks.

    • annie
      annie
      January 20, 2019, 2:37 pm

      Hi there. no need to apologize, everyone who posts here just “butts in” so to speak. before addressing your question..

      Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel …. It seems most folks here happily and fully embrace and promote boycotting , divesting and sanctioning Israel, the goal being – under the banner of protecting the Palestinian people human rights

      the implication of your introduction to our site is that we gather together to hate under the banner of caring about human rights. i’m just curious, under these circumstances, why you’d believe any response one might offer?

      i recommend “Omar Barghouti on the 6th anniversary of the BDS call: ‘[BDS] targets a system of oppression so that all people can live in equality and justice.’”

      https://mondoweiss.net/2011/07/omar-barghouti-on-the-6th-anniversary-of-the-bds-call-bds-targets-a-system-of-oppression-so-that-all-people-can-live-in-equality-and-justice/

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 20, 2019, 2:40 pm

      ” with the 6 or so million Israeli Jews currently living on that land: push them into the sea?”

      “Push them into the sea”? Heavens, no. Why they can do whatever they want, go, or stay. Nobody could dissuade the Zionist from deciding they had the strength to take Palestine, and I doubt anybody will be able to make them stay once they are done.

      How many can you guarantee will stay in Palestine under changed circumstances? Will the GOI prevent Jews from leaving?

      ” Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel”

      Is that what it says on the “About” page?

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      January 20, 2019, 4:42 pm

      aze: “Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel is …”

      Oh, no, another infantile and self-righteouss accusation of hate. We already know the likes of you.

      aze: “If it is to be Palestine from the river to the sea, what is to be done – humanely – with the 6 or so million Israeli Jews currently living on that land: push them into the sea?”

      It’s funny that you ask since it was Jews who literally pushed Palestinians from Haifa into the sea. But your question was already answered by Palestinians in 1947. A secular democratic state with minority rights. Same of what happened in South Africa.

      But if that is to good to believe just assume that Palestinians are going to treat Jews the same way Jews have been treating Palestinians. I’m sure that you would support that kind of governing. Otherwise you would be delegitimizing Israel, wouldn’t you?

    • eljay
      eljay
      January 20, 2019, 5:56 pm

      || aze: … So, from my one brief visit here so far, it would seem this site is very much an anti-Zionist pro BDS haven … Fair enough. Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel is, I guess, a legitimate excercise … ||

      It’s strange how when it comes to I-P you Zionists simply can’t help but equate advocacy of justice, equality and respect for human rights and international law with “hate” (or “Jew hatred” or “anti-Semitism”). It’s like a kind of Tourette Syndrome that affects supremacist hypocrites.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      January 20, 2019, 8:41 pm

      “If it is to be Palestine from the river to the sea, what is to be done – humanely – with the 6 or so million Israeli Jews currently living on that land: push them into the sea?”

      That is an issue that people on this site do grapple with. The general view is that those Jews would be equal citizens of Palestine. Most of us recognize that there is a lot of hostility between Jews and Palestinians Arabs, and suggest some form of reconciliation work is necessary.

      But, thanks to your suggestion, I’ll try to work out a way that the Jews can be humanely pushed into the sea.

  7. aze
    aze
    January 20, 2019, 3:56 pm

    Alright. Can’t say this is coming as a surprise but.

    Although I truly didn’t stop here to joust:

    “the implication of your introduction to our site is that we gather together to hate under the banner of caring about human rights.”

    I don’t believe such thing is/was implied. But clearly, it is now being inferred that it is/was.

    “i’m just curious, under these circumstances, why you’d believe any response one might offer?”

    Some questions are hard, not designed to make friends; you know before asking them that they won’t be liked by the questioned. Guess I was uninterested in pretending that I was so innocent as to believe that my “butting in” on this platform with my question about BDS was going to win me a popular contest. Am still curious, though.

    ““Push them into the sea”? Heavens, no. Why they can do whatever they want, go, or stay. Nobody could dissuade the Zionist from deciding they had the strength to take Palestine, and I doubt anybody will be able to make them stay once they are done.”

    “Once they are done” doing what?
    What’s there to say about the above? Nasty? Lamentable? t’s hard to decide whether such narcissistic cynicism in response to what is after all a very serious issue – Well, millions of people future lives and well-being is at stake, whichever side of whatever fence or BSD one is on – is sad or nauseating. But here it is. Proud point scoring before coherent argument. In what place is it that folks live so happily and safe that they are so full of certainties and contempt about others? Which corner of the planet do they come from that throughout history the land they sit, work, love and hate on never belonged to anyone else but them?

    “” Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel””

    What exactly is the point of misquoting? Because it’s painless to paste, and in the name of optimism, here is the full quote again, which goes on past the word ‘Israel’, as may be noticed this time round: “Like-minded folks have always liked to gather together, and to hate Israel is, I guess, a legitimate excercise, not unlike hating Cuba, China or, say, Hungary, Iran or Russia.”

    Sorry again for butting in. Will look for answer elsewhere.

    • annie
      annie
      January 20, 2019, 4:55 pm

      heads up aze. see the bell feature on the bottom right? if you do not respond using the “reply” function your comment will not land in the same thread within the comment section nor will the people commenting in that thread get notification you’re responding. if the person you’re responding to doesn’t show a reply option, scroll up to the closest one.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 20, 2019, 6:07 pm

      “What’s there to say about the above? Nasty? Lamentable?”

      What is your problem?

      The idea that Jews in Israel will be trapped there under conditions of equality concerns me greatly. They should be free to go.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      January 20, 2019, 7:14 pm

      aze, odd how several of the other supposedly hated countries you named *have* sanctions against them, the biggest is in a trade war with the US, and one has a far right government – but is ‘besties’ with far right israel!
      Why can’t we campaign for BDS against all israel’s illegal and downright evil actions? Our governments should stop turning a blind eye.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      January 20, 2019, 9:56 pm

      @aze

      Why does anything need to be done? Are you saying they are unwilling to live in an actual democracy with majority rule and equality protections for minorities?

      That is what is being rejected in favour of a false majority supremacy.

      If you are serious i am sure I and others are willing to engage but the period of history when minorities accepted second class status is long over.

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