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On NPR this morning, David Greene interviewed Jonathan Greenblatt of the Anti Defamation League about the mass murders in the New Zealand mosques and asked how common it is for “hate speech online and in social media platforms” to “turn into an actual mass shooting this terrible?”

Greenblatt said the attack is unprecedented.

Well I think this act of violence really doesn’t have a precedent as far as we know, murdering people in a mosque like this, and the social media dimension is something new. However, hate speech on-line is an increasing problem. We’ve got a big problem on our hands. We need to recognize social media allows white supremacy much like other forms of hate to travel across borders. and we’ve got to recognize it for the global terror threat that it really is.

Greenblatt failed to remember 1994’s rightwing Zionist attack on the Ibrahimi mosque, at the Cave of the Patriarchs, when Baruch Goldstein, a messianic Jewish settler who had moved to occupied territories from Brooklyn, killed 29 Muslims while they prayed.

Palestinians survey bloodstained rugs at Ibrahimi mosque after 1994 massacre.

Though Greenblatt did link the New Zealand killings with the murder of 11 last October in an American synagogue:

Coming off the heels of the awful massacre that happened in Squirrel Hill Pennsylvania late last year we know what it’s like to see a community attacked and assaulted in a sacred space.

Greenblatt’s omission demonstrates the extent to which American Zionist organizations will always cut Israel a break, overlooking atrocities by Jewish chauvinists against Palestinians.

Out of the same ideological attachment, Greenblatt has lumped anti-Zionists like Jewish Voice for Peace in with white nationalists as a threat to American Jews (!).

It doesn’t take much imagination to extend the condolences Greenblatt gave to the Muslim community of New Zealand to the Muslims of Hebron. Chaim Levinson of Haaretz made the connection today (per Jonathan Ofir’s translation):

Imagine to yourselves, that in 20 years, a person who keeps a poster of the mosque-killer on his wall, would run for parliament, supported by the Prime-Minister. What would you think of that state?

That state is Israel. Itamar Ben-Gvir is a rightwing Jewish supremacist who is running for parliament now and has a poster of Baruch Goldstein on his wall. The sitting Prime Minister, Netanyahu, worked with Ben-Gvir’s racist party, Otzma Yehudit (Jewish Power), to forge a bloc with another rightwing party so that Netanyahu might be able to call on their parliamentary mandates to build a governing coalition after next April’s election.

The ADL has condemned the Netanyahu deal with Otzma Yehudit, and even cited the Goldstein mass murder as a charge against the party.

Today that obvious precedent just slipped Jonathan Greenblatt’s mind.

 

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  1. eljay
    eljay
    March 15, 2019, 12:40 pm

    … Greenblatt failed to remember 1994’s rightwing Zionist attack on the Ibrahimi mosque, at the Cave of the Patriarchs, when Baruch Goldstein, a messianic Jewish settler who had moved to occupied territories from Brooklyn, killed 29 Muslims while they prayed …

    As “National Director and CEO” of an organization (the ADL)…
    – with a “timeless mission” to “secure justice and fair treatment for all”
    – that “continues to fight all forms of hate with the same vigor and passion”; and
    – whose “ultimate goal is a world in which no group or individual suffers from bias, discrimination or hate”,
    …Mr. Greenblatt couldn’t have – and shouldn’t have – failed to remember the massacre of Muslims in Palestine by a Jewish supremacist.

    But as a Zionist, Mr. Greenblatt could – and did – remember to forget.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      March 16, 2019, 10:10 am

      @eljay, etal

      Zionism defined:

      While delivering a eulogy in 1994 for Baruch Goldstein who massacred 29 praying Muslims in Hebron’s Ibrahimi Mosque on February 25th, 1994, Rabbi Perin declared that “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” (New York Times, Feb. 28, 1994)

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      March 16, 2019, 11:37 am

      Just received:

      Independent Jewish Voices (IJV) Canada

      Dear Friends,

      “In the wake of the devastating white supremacist and Islamophobic shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand, Independent Jewish Voices would like to extend our heartfelt condolences and solidarity to our Muslim friends and loved ones, and everyone who may be affected by yesterday’s attack.

      “It is horrific and profoundly saddening to see 49 lives cut short, in places that should be sanctuaries, safe places that are filled with joy, happiness, and peace.

      “As we grieve yet another far right terrorist attack against peaceful Muslim worshippers, we have to recognize that it was partially motivated by a similar attack on a mosque in Quebec city. Events from very far away can have an impact anywhere.

      “In this vein, we hope that this message of solidarity from Jews across Canada to Muslims in New Zealand will contribute to a global grassroots anti-fascist response.

      “In the aftermath of the deadly attack on Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue it was our Muslim sisters and brothers who were the first to gather with us, to comfort us, to show us solidarity and love.

      “Today it is our turn as members of Independent Jewish Voices to show our deep love and solidarity to the entire Muslim community across Canada, and to all Muslim communities across the globe.

      In love and solidarity,
      Independent Jewish Voices Canada

  2. JaapBo
    JaapBo
    March 15, 2019, 2:49 pm
  3. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    March 15, 2019, 3:50 pm

    Nineteen Palestinians among the dead in New Zealand.

  4. JanetB
    JanetB
    March 15, 2019, 7:04 pm

    Or how about the Quebec City mosque shooting on the evening of January 29, 2017

  5. Kay24
    Kay24
    March 15, 2019, 8:37 pm

    It is either selective memory, or total ignorance. Either way, you have to do some research before you open your mouth and embarrass yourself that way.

    What happened in Christchurch is terrible. This is the result of wealthy Americans (like Nina Rosenwald, The Mercers, and others) and Islamaphobic scumbags like Frank Gaffney, Pamela Geller, even shameless Muslims like Hirsi Ali, all working on this anti Muslim campaign, and let’s not forget the media, like Jeanine Pirro, and even comedians like Bill Maher, who all propagate the lies, and misinformation. As we know, Geller has found an equally evil minded anti Muslim group in Europe to join forces and keep the campaign going. Geert Wilders is doing that evil work for the EU. I guess they will all be sleeping well tonight.

    Fear Inc.: Behind the $57 Million Network Fueling Islamophobia in the U.S

    (under 2 mts)

  6. RoHa
    RoHa
    March 16, 2019, 1:54 am

    Dreadful thing no matter where it happened, but particularly shocking to see it in NZ. NZ is now the sort of place where three overdue library books counts as a crime wave. I just don’t expect to see mass murders there.

  7. RoHa
    RoHa
    March 16, 2019, 1:57 am

    “Today that obvious precedent just slipped Jonathan Greenblatt’s mind.”

    What do expect from someone who writes “Coming off the heels …” rather than “Coming on the heels …”?

  8. Citizen
    Citizen
    March 16, 2019, 6:34 am

    To omit Baruch Goldstein’s contribution clearly indicates to me that Greenblatt & the ADL look at their role as preservation of Jewish exceptionalism at all costs.

  9. CHUCKMAN
    CHUCKMAN
    March 16, 2019, 7:42 am

    Yes, indeed.

    The selective memory is remarkable.

  10. annie
    annie
    March 16, 2019, 11:36 am

    there’s also Israel’s 2014 summer slaughter. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140804-israel-bombed-161-mosques-in-gaza/

    Israel bombed 161 mosques in Gaza

    Israel has so far destroyed 161 mosques in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian Awqaf Minister Yousef Dois said yesterday.

    He said 41 mosques were completely destroyed and 120 were partially destroyed during the war adding that a number of religious institutions have also been attacked.

    • genesto
      genesto
      March 16, 2019, 1:24 pm

      Very good, Annie. I was going to remind everyone of this, but you took care of it.

      Let’s not forget also that the ‘most moral army in the world’ also bombed schools, homes, administration buildings, parks, farms – and unarmed men, women and children just running for their lives!

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      March 16, 2019, 10:14 pm

      So that mean Israel is anti Islam, and anti Muslim. Yeah, it goes with it’s racist and apartheid policies, and it’s ugly image. Imagine if the Palestinians destroyed ONE synagogue!

  11. Misterioso
    Misterioso
    March 16, 2019, 11:41 am

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/zealand-mosques-attack-suspect-praised-trump-manifesto-190315100143150.html

    “New Zealand mosques’ attack suspect praised Trump in manifesto” Al Jazeera, March 15/19

    “A suspected gunman behind the Christchurch attacks has dubbed the US president as ‘a symbol of renewed white identity’.”

    “The Australian-born suspect who shot dead dozens of Muslim worshippers in Christchurch, New Zealand, has published a manifesto praising US President Donald Trump and Anders Breivik, the Norwegian white supremacist who murdered 77 people in Norway in 2011.

    “The 74-page dossier, which has been described by Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison as a ‘work of hate,’ hailed Trump as ‘a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.’

    “The 28-year-old, who is now in police custody, also claimed that he had ‘brief contact’ with Breivik and had received a ‘blessing’ for his actions from the mass murderer’s acquaintances.

    “The dossier stated objections to immigration and multiculturalism, and decries the ‘decaying’ culture of the white, European, Western world.

    “Earlier on Friday, at least 49 people were killed and 20 others seriously wounded in shootings at two mosques in Christchurch in the worst attack in the Pacific country’s history.

    “The majority of the victims were shot at the Al Noor Mosque, while the rest were killed at another mosque in suburban Linwood.

    “The Muslim worshippers had congregated for Friday prayers, Islam’s holy day of the week.

    “Trump, whose rhetoric is sometimes aligned with the far-right in the US, condemned the ‘horrible massacre’ in a post on Twitter.

    “‘My warmest sympathy and best wishes goes out to the people of New Zealand after the horrible massacre in the mosques. 49 innocent people have so senselessly died, with so many more seriously injured. The US stands by New Zealand for anything we can do,’ he wrote.

    “Moments before, his spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said: ‘We stand in solidarity with the people of New Zealand and their government against this vicious act of hate.’

    “The United States strongly condemns the attack in Christchurch. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families,” she added.

  12. zaid
    zaid
    March 16, 2019, 12:54 pm

    “Mossawa Center flags Hebrew-language posts on Facebook and comments sections of news stories expressing admiration for accused gunman”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/rights-group-calls-on-ag-to-probe-online-praise-for-new-zealand-killer/

  13. Brewer
    Brewer
    March 16, 2019, 10:43 pm
    • just
      just
      March 18, 2019, 6:13 pm

      Thanks for sharing that here, Brewer. All those smiling eyes and faces… all those hopes and dreams and talent… So incredibly tragic, and such a waste of life.

      I have such enormous respect for Jacinda Ardern. If only I had ever heard & seen anything remotely resembling her grace, her honesty, her respect, her response, and her genuine care for human life in any other Western leader… she leads by example. The response of the Kiwis to this terrorist act has also been remarkable and inspiring.

      • Brewer
        Brewer
        March 18, 2019, 6:47 pm

        Always good to hear from you my brother (I identify you as such from the tone of your posts, your screen-name is apt).
        Yes. We have, after three awful terms of the John Key (Wall St predator) government, a popular administration and it looks like an enduring one. It is the genuine article, I have a couple of friends in cabinet and I know quite a few others socially so I feel qualified to speak. I can also let on that most are sympathetic to Palestine though political realities make it difficult for them to speak openly. Many were junior members of the labour party in the wonderful days of David Lange. Here is a vid I know you will enjoy. I watched it again the other day and felt a bit teary. David lived in my district as a young lawyer.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCZFPfe0LvA
        We are all still in shock. The only consolation is that this criminally stupid act has had a result that is diametrically opposed to the ambitions of it’s creator. Those Kiwis who have previously and perhaps blindly associated this kind of act with Islam are shocked into reality.
        Kind regards.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        March 19, 2019, 1:11 am

        On a side note, the Kiwis seem to like their Prime Minister. This seems unnatural and rather creepy.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        March 19, 2019, 2:08 am

        “The response of the Kiwis to this terrorist act has also been remarkable and inspiring.”
        A response also remarkable for its police-state efficiency and inspiring the worst of censorship, it seems. Sharing a movie can get you ten years in jail:
        https://news.antiwar.com/2019/03/18/new-zealand-police-censor-mosque-attack-threaten-to-jail-citizens-who-share-video/

        There goes NZ, last country believed to still have a minimum of respect for people’s rights. It’s been Cheneyed. The terrorists won again.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        March 21, 2019, 8:41 pm

        It looks as though they are pushing the Lone Crazed Gunman story.

        But there were two attacks, and initially a number of suspects.

        https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/hiding-the-evidence-new-zealand-gladio-style-black-op/

        https://intellectualobserver.com/the-fifth-suspect-of-christchurch-shootings-has-defected-to-israel/

  14. David Green
    David Green
    March 17, 2019, 3:48 pm

    Phil, while you’re busy appropriately discrediting Greenblatt/ADL, please take care not to credit their data and reports on “increased” anti-semitism, like you did recently. Their methodology is absolute crap.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      March 17, 2019, 9:23 pm

      proving Greenblatt is the worst thing to happen to the ADL in decades. even if it was an unintended omission, it doesn’t require a vast knowledge of terrorist acts in the past 50 years to know that mosque, church, temple and synagog worshippers have been specifically targeted by fanatical violent extremists.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        March 17, 2019, 10:57 pm

        @dabakr
        “proving Greenblatt is the worst thing to happen to the ADL in decades.”

        Wow. We agree. Either I, or you, or both of us, need some help. Or the fictional hell froze over.

        I find greenblatt a laughable character. I wouldn’t trust him to run my company’s social club. Incompetent. Stupid. Short sighted. Racial surpremacist. Entirely tone deaf. And not the least bit of supportive of human rights. They seem to be an after thought only trotted out when it can be used to justify some other objective.

        Of course foxman was provably racist as well.

        So we’ve reached a point where the adl is at best irrelevant and at worst part of the problem. There’s time to redeem it if there is anyone with a moral compass to take the helm.

  15. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    March 18, 2019, 11:59 am

    Leaving aside Mr. Greenblatt’s statement, since it is the 25th anniversary of the Goldstein massacre (on the Hebrew/lunar calendar) this week, it is of interest to compare and contrast that murder to the one this week in New Zealand.

    If New Zealand was to blame for the massacre because of its lax gun laws or insufficient Big Brother attitude towards dangerous denizens of the internet, that blame is tiny compared to the blame of the Israeli government. Between 1967 and 1994 that government had placed armed settlers cheek by jowl with the indigenous on the West Bank giving one group the vote and depriving the vote from the second group, ruling one group by Israeli law and the other group by military law, which fed anger and rebellion, tension and enmity, which existed to begin with. Then with an about face from a new administration which saw the settlers as obstacles, there was a crisis of faith in the army that was supposed to defend them. It is in the light of these factors that Goldstein’s mass murder needs to be seen.

    (That was a very sad day, when he killed those people and I am by no means excusing his acts, merely putting them in the exact context. If Rabin had been a true peacenik he would have used the massacre as an excuse to crack down on the Hebron settlers, but he was a politician wondering how the public would react and a negotiator- only giving Arafat as much as was necessary when it was necessary and not a mm. more nor a second early, before it was necessary.)

    Attacks by white majority or white plurality men fearing a society at change as a result of immigration is of a totally different kind. While the Goldstein murder can be undone with a simple time travel, undo the settler aspect of the occupation and the Goldstein murder would never have happened, no such government policy can be associated with the murder or undone by time travel.

    That the US at this time is led by a person who seems to be sympatico with the white supremacist movement is part of the urgency of viewing the Trump situation as the moment’s priority. Defeat him at the polls sufficiently to defeat him in the electoral college: I will not apologize for viewing this as this moment’s priority. It is achievable and within reach.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      March 18, 2019, 3:41 pm

      Shorter “WJ”: ‘It was Trump’s fault Goldstein shot up the mosque. Nothing is ever Israel’s or Zionism’s fault.’

      BTW, “Yonah”- if Trump is defeated we will be in the clutches of the Democratic Party, which “hates Jewish people”. You don’t want that.

    • eljay
      eljay
      March 18, 2019, 5:08 pm

      || wondering jew: … If New Zealand was to blame for the massacre because of its lax gun laws or insufficient Big Brother attitude towards dangerous denizens of the internet, that blame is tiny compared to the blame of the Israeli government. … ||

      …and Zionism.

      || … If Rabin had been a true peacenik he would have used the massacre as an excuse to crack down on the Hebron settlers … ||

      But he was a true Zionist so he stayed the course of Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

      || … While the Goldstein murder can be undone with a simple time travel, undo the settler aspect of the occupation and the Goldstein murder would never have happened, no such government policy can be associated with the murder or undone by time travel. … ||

      Undo Zionism with a simple time travel and the Goldstein murder would never have happened.

      But the past can’t be changed. And while the Goldstein murder cannot be undone in the future, Zionism can and should be undone.

      || … That the US at this time is led by a person who seems to be sympatico with the white supremacist movement … ||

      …and Zionism.

  16. Jon66
    Jon66
    March 18, 2019, 7:06 pm

    The question he was asked was “how common it is for “hate speech online and in social media platforms” to “turn into an actual mass shooting this terrible?”

    The question was not, ‘has a mosque been attacked before?” The question specifically referenced online hate and social media. 1994 would not be a precedent.

    • eljay
      eljay
      March 18, 2019, 8:46 pm

      || Jon66: … The question specifically referenced online hate and social media. 1994 would not be a precedent. ||

      But 2017 in Quebec City would be a precedent.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        March 18, 2019, 10:54 pm

        Eljay,
        I don’t know enough about it to judge, but I don’t think that attack is widely known here in the US. Regardless, the point of this article was to discuss the omission of the 1994 attack. I believe that a fair listening to whole interview,under 4 minutes, would clarify that he was referring to the combination of online/social media and an attack on a mosque.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 19, 2019, 8:35 am

        || Jon66: Eljay,
        I don’t know enough about it to judge, but I don’t think that attack is widely known here in the US. … ||

        I don’t care what you know about it. Greenblatt – head of the ADL – should have known about it.

        || …I believe that a fair listening to whole interview,under 4 minutes, would clarify that he was referring to the combination of online/social media and an attack on a mosque. ||

        In which case there’s no excuse for Greenblatt suggesting that there was no precedent given that there was one only 2 years ago in America’s “neighbour to the North”.

        I do take your point that the massacre committed by Jewish supremacist Baruch Goldstein doesn’t fit this particular scenario.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        March 19, 2019, 6:14 pm

        Eljay,
        Was the Quebec attack streamed on social media and circulated online by the attacker?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        March 19, 2019, 8:49 pm

        Don’t be so naive, Eljay. You can’t expect Americans to know about anything that happens in Canada.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 20, 2019, 7:30 am

        || Jon66: Eljay,
        Was the Quebec attack streamed on social media and circulated online by the attacker? ||

        What does streaming have to do with it? As you yourself pointed out:

        Jon66  March 18, 2019, 7:06 pm

        The question [Greenblatt] was asked was “how common it is for “hate speech online and in social media platforms” to “turn into an actual mass shooting this terrible?” …

        The Quebec City killer posted hate speech in online and social media platforms and turned it into a terrible mass shooting in a mosque.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 20, 2019, 7:41 am

        || RoHa: Don’t be so naive, Eljay. You can’t expect Americans to know about anything that happens in Canada. ||

        True, but I don’t expect the head of an organization that “continues to fight all forms of hate with the same vigor and passion” to disregard a massacre that occurred in a mosque in America’s “neighbor (sic) to the North” only two years ago.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        March 20, 2019, 9:27 pm

        Eljay
        I think the main question here is why an article was written that accuses Greenblatt of deliberately ignoring the 1994 massacre when in reality the 1994 massacre was not mentioned because it had nothing to do with the conversation Greenblatt was having.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 21, 2019, 7:31 am

        || Jon66: Eljay
        I think the main question here is why an article was written that accuses Greenblatt of deliberately ignoring the 1994 massacre when in reality the 1994 massacre was not mentioned because it had nothing to do with the conversation Greenblatt was having. ||

        I already conceded that point to you. The fact remains that Q.C. in 2017 was a precedent that Greenblatt should not have (deliberately?) overlooked. You can concede that point or counter it but please don’t “pull a Nathan” and just deflect from it.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        March 21, 2019, 5:51 pm

        Eljay
        As I said, I don’t know enough about Quebec to know if it fit the same pattern
        But Quebec is a distraction from the fact that this whole article is a hatchet job

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 21, 2019, 6:34 pm

        || Jon66: Eljay
        As I said, I don’t know enough about Quebec to know if it fit the same pattern
        But Quebec is a distraction from the fact that this whole article is a hatchet job ||

        Well done, Jon66. You stayed true to form.

    • amigo
      amigo
      March 18, 2019, 8:47 pm

      “Well I think this act of violence really doesn’t have a precedent as far as we know, murdering people in a mosque like this, and the social media dimension is something new”,Greenblatt.

      Jon 66 not only suffers from comprehension skills in identifying one fork from another , he also has basic reading comprehension skills.

      Greenblatt , separated the two issues with a comma.

      Note , he said “and the social media dimension is something new.

      Try reading it without your zio glasses on.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        March 18, 2019, 10:51 pm

        Amigo,
        I disagree. You can’t interpret the answer correctly without reference to the question being asked. In addition, the comma was put into the transcript of an interview. He didn’t ‘put’ it in to separate the issues. If you listen to the entire interview you will see that they were discussing the online and streaming social media aspects of the attack.
        BTW, I’m good now with the fork thing.

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